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A new Srebrenica may arise: Putin about if Ukrainian nationalists enter LDNR

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Some details of the negotiations in the so-called Norman format held in Paris continue to be published. One of the topics that is of particular concern to Ukrainian experts: why does the Russian president categorically refuse to change places in the Minsk agreements? The Ukrainian authorities tried to promote an option in which one of the first points would be to transfer the border between the Russian Federation and the republics of Donbass to Kiev control.


The statement of the Russian president made at a meeting in the framework of the Human Rights Council is cited. According to Vladimir Putin, the Russian side on the eve did not agree to change the clauses of the Minsk agreements for the reason that the Ukrainian radicals could go on to “purge” on the territory of LDNR.

Putin:

If Ukraine gains control of the border without observing the preliminary agreements laid down in Minsk, then a new Srebrenica may arise on the territory of the LPR and DPR due to Ukrainian nationalists. They can arrange it there.

It is worth noting that the president of Russia, as they say, didn’t mention Srebrenica just for the sake of words, since in the West the events of the 1995 of the year in this city are recognized as genocide, moreover, noting that the NATO peacekeepers became his actual partners. We are talking about the Dutch military, who did not prevent the events that were unfolding in Srebrenica at the time of the fulfillment of their mission. Moreover, the Dutch court recognized the liability of the Dutch contingent.

This is because Ukraine insists on bringing peacekeepers to the border with Russia, and not to the LDNR-Ukraine border, where the armed conflict is taking place.

According to Vladimir Putin, in Russia they saw how Zelensky "discussed with the nationalists."

President of Russia:

It is not clear who is stronger there, and what can happen in general, who will lead these nationalists if they enter these territories.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 10 December 2019 18: 06
    +12
    But the free world will not notice this!
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 10 December 2019 18: 15
      +12
      Comrade Zelensky, if he really wants peace, must himself initiate the participation in this "format" of representatives of the LPNR, otherwise all this may turn out to be empty. Better yet, kneel down and apologize to them for everything you have done.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 10 December 2019 18: 21
        +30
        Zelensky is not a friend. There are no comrades in that environment
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 10 December 2019 20: 08
          +7
          Quote: olimpiada15
          There are no comrades in that environment

          winked Are you alluding to Lyashko? hi
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 December 2019 20: 16
            +7
            Victor hi
            Quote: Tersky
            Are you alluding to Lyashko?

            I will not undertake to judge all sorts of different lyashki: this is a thankless task. But how does this Lyashko differ from those whom he himself calls "priests"? wink
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 10 December 2019 20: 23
              +4
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              But how does this Lyashko differ from those whom he himself calls "priests"?

              Pasha hi ! Well, than what, he's from the rear-wheel drive. That's why I clarified with olimpiada15 about the environment, wink
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 10 December 2019 20: 32
                +6
                Quote: Tersky
                he is from the environment of rear-wheel drive

                belay That just makes me sick of one kind ...
                1. Pravdalyub
                  Pravdalyub 10 December 2019 22: 01
                  +9
                  Quote: President of Russia
                  It is not clear who is stronger there, and what can happen in general, who will lead these nationalists if they enter these territories.

                  It's time to warn the Natsik about the consequences of large-scale hostilities in the Donbass, real actions on the part of Russia. Impunity - gives birth to further - impunity.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 10 December 2019 22: 09
                    +5
                    Quote: Truthfulness
                    Impunity - gives birth to further - impunity

                    Impunity usually breeds lawlessness. hi
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 10 December 2019 22: 51
                      +5
                      Paul, welcome hi
                      Slack natsik, you can not give. Signed, follow. Zelensky is the deputy chairman of the Pound. Can sit, no steer. If only, they overwhelmed him, you see, the matter would move from a dead center ... In his case (and Ukraine): "Better a terrible end than horror without end."
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 10 December 2019 23: 00
                        +3
                        And you don’t get sick, Stas! hi
                        Quote: LiSiCyn
                        Signed up, follow

                        The very ones! They’ll come up with a bunch of excuses. negative
                        Quote: LiSiCyn
                        "Better a horrible end than endless horror."

                        The oligarchs in / on (and not only) will definitely not agree with you. wink
                      2. LiSiCyn
                        LiSiCyn 10 December 2019 23: 07
                        +5
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        Quote: LiSiCyn
                        "Better a horrible end than endless horror."

                        The oligarchs in / on (and not only) will definitely not agree with you.

                        Well, scumbags and fools, also enough ... Not all the same, under the oligarchs.
                  2. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 10 December 2019 23: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Truthfulness

                    It's time to warn the Natsik about the consequences of large-scale hostilities in the Donbass, real actions by Russia

                    So already warned - Ilovaisk, Debaltseve.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 December 2019 01: 55
            -1
            Quote: Tersky
            Are you alluding to Lyashko?

            Vitya, there are either moral or ideological "Lyashko" in the Zelensky administration. Moreover, most of them have their butts screwed onto the hand of the State Department.
      2. loki565
        loki565 10 December 2019 18: 47
        +11
        Zelensky there doesn’t solve anything at all. He is going to go to a peace settlement summit, and the Ukrainian DRG went to the DNR to do evil. And judging by the equipment is pretty well prepared and equipped.
      3. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 December 2019 20: 01
        +6
        Max hi
        Quote: maxim947
        Comrade Zelensky if really wants peace

        I highlighted a dubious moment. yes
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    3. Finches
      Finches 10 December 2019 18: 36
      +9
      Here the Supreme is absolutely right, but I feel that the United States, in the first place, would be on hand - which is why the nationalists in Ukraine feel so comfortable - they are covered by the CIA and the State Department. And European politicians are just dancing!
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 12 December 2019 07: 53
        0
        It is very strange that Putin chose Srebrenica as an example, because Russia at the UN vetoed the recognition of these events as genocide.
    4. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 18: 41
      +13
      Enough. All FIVE !!!! years empty bubble in a puddle. Nobody will move anything there (by 404). There are new ones! TWO warring parties. The conflict is growing anew (already without Crimea and Donbass). Collapse collapse is inevitable. To have time to "pick up" the necessary fragments.
    5. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 10 December 2019 22: 40
      0
      even as he will notice, when the Sumerians begin to smash into pieces .. wind
    6. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 11 December 2019 01: 25
      +3
      The torn Yugoslavia is our enduring pain.
      The Dutch peacekeepers covered themselves with "unfading glory".
      Just a year before, the "doves of peace" from the country of windmills, with their hands in their pockets, watched the genocide in Rwanda.
      Then the Tutsis slaughtered more than a million Hutus.
      The Orange Soldiers guarded themselves, occasionally escorting columns of white European refugees.
      There is even a film, "Shooting Dogs ..." is called.
      They created the world. Critters ...
      In 1995, the story repeated. In Yugoslavia. Now, for blue-handed people, Serbs have become second-class people.
      They lazily spit when whole Serbian villages were destroyed before their eyes. They made the world again ...
      Now Zelensky is sleeping with a camarilla and sees UN troops on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
      Or on the dividing line.
      Or there and there.
      To clean the Donbass behind their backs.
      Damn two, svidomye! Bad nimae. We all remember, we have not forgotten anything.
  2. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 10 December 2019 18: 08
    +11
    Clear business! It is necessary to be a fool in order to surrender LDNR to the mercy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Natsik from Dobrobat.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 18: 44
      -1
      Well, even if this is assumed ... then this is a complete degradation of itself. But He did not allow this. In 3D chess only OH alone can play. The rest do not even know about them.
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      1. Andrey Mikhaylov
        Andrey Mikhaylov 10 December 2019 18: 16
        +8
        It can be seen that you are the one who really needs to close the border, Ukraine and Russia.
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 18: 45
          +5
          Yong rode off. laughing
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 10 December 2019 18: 25
        +2
        Go shave, and do not sit, throwing manure on the fan, in. At the same time treat the nerves.
      3. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 10 December 2019 18: 29
        +6
        Since the Maidan in Ukraine there have been many terrible crimes. And do not scuffle. Schemes for submitting information on how to cause distrust of the facts have long been worked out.
      4. figwam
        figwam 10 December 2019 18: 31
        +6
        Quote: Sofa Patriot
        And from the story of the crucified boy, already the hair on the palms of horror rises!

        You can keep your stories to yourself, and the blood of thousands of dead on your hairy palms.
        1. yawa63
          yawa63 10 December 2019 21: 49
          0
          Sofa patriot, it’s better to write about the exploded air conditioner, you’ve already heard about the boy
    2. maxim947
      maxim947 10 December 2019 18: 18
      +7
      Already miss the censor, sick?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 10 December 2019 22: 15
        +6
        Quote: maxim947
        Already miss the censor, sick?

        According to the "bath", it can be seen completely blocked ...
  4. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 10 December 2019 18: 16
    +1
    And in this case, Russia will have to answer.
    1. loki565
      loki565 10 December 2019 18: 35
      +1
      It is easier to prevent this by creating a buffer zone.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 10 December 2019 18: 36
      +1
      In which case? Did they answer in Odessa?
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 10 December 2019 19: 27
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        In which case? Did they answer in Odessa?

        Boilers !!!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 10 December 2019 19: 34
          +6
          What kind of boilers in Odessa ?! What are you talking about? Swallowed the tragedy and wiped the snot.
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 10 December 2019 19: 38
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            What kind of boilers in Odessa ?! What are you talking about? Swallowed the tragedy and wiped the snot.

            About Ilovaisky and Debaltsevsky not heard?
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 10 December 2019 19: 43
              +2
              and that from this under ukraine most of Donbasa remained as it was
              1. Andrey Chistyakov
                Andrey Chistyakov 10 December 2019 19: 45
                +1
                Quote: Kronos
                and that from this under ukraine most of Donbasa remained as it was

                Not all at once.
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 10 December 2019 19: 46
                  0
                  What is not all at once if the goal of Russia is to push them back with special status. If they were smarter they would have long accepted everything and then canceled it, but they don’t have enough brains for it
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 04: 55
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Did they answer in Odessa?

        and who should answer there ??? Russia??? and this despite the fact that the vast majority of the inhabitants of VNA sits and keeps quiet with his hataskray ???? negative negative negative
  5. taiga2018
    taiga2018 10 December 2019 18: 17
    +4
    The same is not clear with the special status that should be enshrined in the constitution of Ukraine, because it can be enshrined, and who or what can prevent them from canceling then this special status ...
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 18: 46
      +3
      Twice the rope jumped their constitution. TWICE!.
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        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 20: 54
          +2
          Compare .. with a carrot. 2-term, 6years, retirement .... and STATUS TRANSFER OF Armed crimes and VICTIMS !!!
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 December 2019 22: 37
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          Let's not talk about the Constitution. In any bourgeois state, it is "torn" out of necessity, and we are no exception.

          In the United States, in its entire history, there is only the "Bill of Rights", in which several amendments have been made over the entire period of their existence. And they take the oath not on the constitution but on the Bible.
          Like so winked
      2. businessv
        businessv 10 December 2019 23: 00
        0
        Quote: Alex Nevs
        Twice the rope jumped their constitution. TWICE!.

        What are you talking about, colleague ?! The Main Law is rewritten with every new prezik! Each of her, the poor fellow, is remodeling as he pleases, so you were modest and very! hi
  6. anjey
    anjey 10 December 2019 18: 31
    +1
    According to Vladimir Putin, the Russian side did not agree on the eve of changing the clauses of the Minsk agreements, for the reason that Ukrainian radicals may go to "purges" on the territory of the LPNR.
    GDP looks into the water, ukronatsi sleep and see such a scenario with the secret and quiet support of European hypocrites ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 10 December 2019 18: 48
      +5
      Quote: anjey
      GDP looks into the water

      -----------------------------
      And there you don't even need to look, nobody touched Avakov during the change of government. And he is the curator of the informal armed component of the national persuasion. So the king is under the supervision of a "patriotic".
      1. anjey
        anjey 10 December 2019 18: 51
        +6
        Yes, paradoxically, Avakov went in the role of "overseer" for Zelensky laughing
        The latter does not do this honor from the word at all.
  7. monah
    monah 10 December 2019 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: olimpiada15
    Zelensky is not a friend. There are no comrades in that environment

    I agree. There are very few friends in business and politics! At best, temporary partners or vassals. Brothers and non-brothers are an example of this. Until a political decision is made, nothing will change! Is Zelya capable of this? Without this, there are only two options, Kuev recognizes the special status of Donbas and introduces it into the Constitution, or Donbas capitulates, recognizes Bender and Shukhevych as heroes and together yells "glory to the heroes". And then who will blink first.
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 December 2019 18: 40
    +5
    GDP- was silent. Zelya - posed like a jester. And really, they didn’t decide. They also promised to supply gas, another 10 years ... Let's see what will happen at the next meeting ...
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 10 December 2019 18: 50
      -2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And really, they didn’t decide.

      Politicians are such politicians, because it is clear that everything remains as before, and they behave as if all problems have been resolved ... We can say that the conflict goes into a state of freezing ...
    2. loki565
      loki565 10 December 2019 19: 06
      -2
      It was necessary to solve gas, JV2 is not there yet, there is no South Stream either, and contractual obligations with Europe must be fulfilled. And how to build, then we'll see, at least there will be an extra trump in the sleeve)))
    3. Ironcity
      Ironcity 10 December 2019 22: 05
      +2
      But nothing will happen. This is a game of giveaways, nobody needs these LDNRs. Would Russia need it, would have long held a referendum, as in the Crimea, but what for?
      And Ukraine can forever change places or add new ones, bargain for other conditions. Zelensky has enough of his problems, why does he need a territory with a war-ruined economy and an embittered population? So they are negotiating, the purpose of which is not to agree, but to provoke the opponent to sharp rash actions.
  9. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 10 December 2019 18: 48
    -1
    And in his thoughts, "Do you see a hole from a donut? ... Nobody sees ... But it has already been swallowed up .." laughing So they are fighting ... And they did not understand that they were so "fought".
  10. Xenofont
    Xenofont 10 December 2019 18: 50
    +5
    Maybe it's time, in the light of the demonstrated complete hopelessness of the treaties with "Banderstadt", to begin to really integrate Donbas into Russia? Can we kick out the wolf-businessmen who take advantage of the desperate situation of the Republics and rob them under high patronage, and help to improve the economy? With proper organization, the Republics may well become economically self-sufficient. And cleaning the leadership is not a sin. There are a lot of ways! Much can be done through South Ossetia and Abkhazia. After all, the people are not ironclad to endure this interdisciplinary state and wait for the next peacekeepers to let them "under the knife".
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 10 December 2019 19: 26
      +2
      Can throw out a wolf businessmen
      just now, relatives from Lugansk sent a photo of the check from the pharmacy, the medicine costs 482 rubles, looked in the pharmacy online store Tabletki.ua in Kharkov - 550 UAH. In terms of prices, everything has stabilized there for a long time, even fat at the price of Ukrainian))
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont 10 December 2019 19: 45
        0
        Yes, I'm not talking about that! How much do you buy coal and other things from the manufacturer, what would then be for the kakelam to get it? And what salaries are from here?
  11. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 10 December 2019 18: 54
    -11
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are now well prepared, especially the Special Forces, their DRGs proved to be just professional ....
  12. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 18: 56
    -6
    Yes, there was genocide in Srebrenica. Yes, the Dutch peacekeepers did not prevent him, fearing for their lives. Just why no one remembered who committed the massacre in Srebrenica?
    1. Xenofont
      Xenofont 10 December 2019 19: 48
      +1
      There, the story is muddy and Westerners are distorted to complete disgrace.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 20: 04
        -12
        The story is absolutely not muddy. Serbs staged mass killings of Bosnians on a national basis. Like it or not.
        1. Xenofont
          Xenofont 10 December 2019 20: 07
          +2
          This is your interpretation.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 20: 11
            -10
            This is an interpretation recognized by the tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and the government of Serbia, as well as Serbian Krajina
            1. Xenofont
              Xenofont 10 December 2019 20: 14
              +5
              That current about the tribunal is not necessary! We know his clear commitment. A lot of crimes are attributed to your state at different levels, and you easily reject everything as bias and slander.
              Delponto to help you.
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 21: 23
                -8
                Thanks, made fun
                1. Xenofont
                  Xenofont 10 December 2019 21: 48
                  +4
                  Welcome! The arguments are over ... The typical "shake-off" is rather pathetic.
        2. Idunavs
          Idunavs 10 December 2019 20: 48
          +1
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          The story is absolutely not muddy. Serbs staged mass killings of Bosnians on a national basis. Like it or not.

          So what, I would also arrange such a genocide for Ukrainian radicals, a couple of tens of thousands of which prevents two countries from living at the same time! Everyone would feel better.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 21: 24
            -7
            Yeah. After ethnic cleansing, Serbs feel much better
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 10 December 2019 22: 40
      +3
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Just why no one remembered who committed the massacre in Srebrenica?

      Burning with the desire to start a srach? With massacre, does nationality matter or the number of victims? You still remember the night of the Long Knives. Putin brought the genocide in Srebrenica for one reason, for the West this is the most acceptable example, what would have come to them is what awaits the Republic if they are transferred to Ukraine without fulfilling the conditions of the Minsk agreements, because they do not remember and do not know the other.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 23: 42
        -3
        Neither Donetsk nor Lugansk expects anything. As nothing happened, neither with Kramatorsk, nor with Slavic, nor with Mariupol.
        1. Alevil
          Alevil 11 December 2019 19: 32
          +1
          How do you know that nothing happened there? You were there? Do you know well how SBU and other Nazi units work?
          Say also that the Nazis, along with their Ukrainian assistants, did not kill Jews.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 19: 40
            -1
            Actually, I know. But not the point. What do you know?
            1. Alevil
              Alevil 11 December 2019 19: 47
              +1
              And how do you know that?
              I know about Odessa. I saw people jumping out of windows. I know that according to official figures, almost 50 people died. Ukrainians are not fools either, now they will not openly burn and kill people during arrests. They did this and are doing it secretly.
              I also know about the words of the Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yatsenyuk, when he said that the inhabitants of Donbass are subhuman. This was said by the official and there were no refutations, but there were only solid confirmations. These are the words of the genocide, one of the first persons in Ukraine.
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 19: 49
                -1
                How did it all start in Odessa? Do you know that? About the collision in Greek, for example?
                1. Alevil
                  Alevil 11 December 2019 19: 50
                  +1
                  You did not answer my question.
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 20: 01
                    -1
                    52% of Donbass is under Ukrainian rule. The Internet works in this area. You can get to know the locals yourself and find out how many of their friends were killed by the "Nazis"
                    1. Alevil
                      Alevil 12 December 2019 12: 40
                      +1
                      Nazi terror is flourishing on the outskirts, when it’s rather scary to write the truth, because SBU and other scum are not asleep. At least I have acquaintances whose relatives live on the outskirts and, having arrived here, they said that they were afraid to talk on the phone too much, they were afraid to write on the Internet about the Russophobic policy of neo-Bandera.
                      1. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 December 2019 13: 03
                        -1
                        I have a friend who has relatives who are so afraid to live in Ukraine that they don’t flee from there ...
                      2. Alevil
                        Alevil 12 December 2019 13: 12
                        +1
                        Taking into account your words about flight, we can conclude that in today's Ukraine there is complete darkness and fear: in 1991, about 52 million inhabitants lived there, but now, according to experts, 24-35 million (according to various estimates). And not all are extinct. Most of them simply fled from this "paradise" because of hopelessness and fear.
                        By the way, one acquaintance from Kharkov once wrote something like the following: "This Ukraine would have ended sooner."
                      3. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 December 2019 13: 40
                        -1
                        If someone does not like something in the country of residence, there is always the opportunity to move to another country.
                      4. Alevil
                        Alevil 12 December 2019 14: 51
                        +1
                        And why should people move to another country from their homeland, the homeland of their ancestors? Because of some sort of Bandera scum that came to power? The duty of every real person is to resist Bandera evil.
                      5. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 December 2019 15: 46
                        -1
                        Why move? Because he feels bad there. By the way, what are his ancestors there? Dad mom or great-grandfather-Ukrainian?
                      6. Alevil
                        Alevil 12 December 2019 19: 21
                        +1
                        Ukrainians were invented in the 19th century. I should know that laughing
                        If he is a native of New Russia, where Ukraine and Ukrainians have never been heard of in the 20th century, then why on earth is this not his land? And his ancestor is RUSSIAN, who could have a Little Russian surname.
                      7. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 12 December 2019 19: 44
                        -1
                        Ukrainians were invented in the 19th century? Oooh, how everything was started ... But did they come up with the Austro-Hungarian General Staff, as I understand it? At the same time, they gave birth to Kotlyarevsky, Shevchenko, drew Boplan's "General Plan of Ukraine" in 1648, forged the orders of Peter the Great, sending Menshikov to Ukraine, and A.S. Pushkin's poem "Poltava", and at the same time the Boyarsky judgment of 1677 of Tsar Fyodor Alekseevich " About the return of the cities to the Ukrainian children of those Boyar lands and wild fields "... Well, okay.
                      8. Alevil
                        Alevil 13 December 2019 18: 35
                        0
                        Yes, you have it all running, as I see. Kotlyarevsky and Shevchenko wrote in the Little Russian dialect of the Russian language and did not consider themselves to be any "Ukrainians". Ukraine is the same as the outskirts. The name "Ukraine", as a designation of a specific territory of Little Russia (which did not include either Novorossia or Galicia), actually appeared in the 17th century. So what? It doesn't prove anything. By the way, Bogdan Khmelnitsky called himself a Russian gentry.
                      9. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 13 December 2019 19: 28
                        -1
                        And the Moscow Tsar called Ukrainians.
                      10. Alevil
                        Alevil 14 December 2019 12: 56
                        0
                        So the Moscow Tsar called the Ukrainian lands and Smolensk, and Vitebsk, and the developed lands of Siberia were also Ukrainian. Surely, the people living there were also called Ukrainians. It turns out that all the Russian borderlands are native Ukrainian lands laughing
                      11. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 14 December 2019 13: 01
                        -1
                        Actually, this decree refers specifically to Ukraine and Ukrainians. Vitebsk until 1772 was not near Moscow.
                      12. Alevil
                        Alevil 14 December 2019 13: 07
                        0
                        Ukrainians are nothing more than residents of the outskirts. If you mean Little Russians, then these are the same Russian people. By the way, the Poles, calling a specific territory Ukraine, once again showed their arrogance and arrogance: there was, they say, before Russia with the capital in Kiev, and Ukraine became the outskirts of Poland ... No one could have imagined that anyone would ever - or will be proud of the name "Ukrainian".
                      13. Alevil
                        Alevil 14 December 2019 13: 09
                        0
                        Another great quote from Shirokorad:
                        Thus, even after the collapse of the Commonwealth, Right-Bank Ukraine remained under the rule of Polish lords, the nobility and the townspeople spoke Polish and were influenced by Polish culture.
                        Most Poles in the Right Bank hated Russians, although many carefully concealed this. Therefore, they did their best to set up the local population against the tsarist administration, the Russian language and Russian culture. The Poles proved to the population that they were not Russian, but belong to a completely different nationality. By the way, it was the Poles who came up with the “Ukrainian” nationality. Until 1792, not a single resident of Little Russia, Volyn, or Galicia ever called himself a Ukrainian, but only Russian or Rusyns.
                      14. Alevil
                        Alevil 14 December 2019 13: 12
                        0
                        Vitebsk was for some time a part of the Russian state during the Livonian War.
                      15. Alevil
                        Alevil 13 December 2019 18: 38
                        0
                        And in more interesting information from the book by A. Shirokorad "Ukraine - the confrontation of the regions."

                        "Visiting the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Moscow in 1523-1524, Pope Clement VII's ambassador, Albert Kampenze, wrote to Rome that the inhabitants of Russia, both Lithuanian and Moscow, are considered one people, since" they speak the same language and profess one faith. "

                        The dominance of the “Moscow language” in Lithuania was complained by the Lithuanian writer of the XNUMXth century, Michalon Litvin, and the Polish king Jan Casimir, in his speech in the Sejm, pointed out that the main threat of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth lies in the gravitation of the population of Little Russian and Belarusian lands to Moscow, “the language associated with them and by faith. "

                        In 1561, the monk Isaiah from the city of Kamenets of Poland went to Moscow to get the original books in Russian to print their word for word: “... in our state, the Christian Rus’s Grand Duchy of Lithuania will be issued with Christian embossing printed on our people, and Russian Moscow. "

                        In 1619, the famous writer and publicist of Lithuanian Russia Meletiy Smotrytsky (1578-1633) published a Russian grammar, according to which all educated people of Russia, including M.V. Lomonosov. (Or maybe Lomonosov studied the Belarusian or Ukrainian languages?)

                        Denis Ivanovich Zubritsky (1777-1862), a representative of an ancient Galician-Russian noble family, wrote: “In my opinion, the Russian people are from the banks of the Tisza and Pannonia to the banks of the Volga, from the banks of the Vistula to the Russian Sea ... there are indigenous people in this land. We have been in Galicia for 500 years under foreign authority, the Russian name during the Polish yoke was the subject of swearing and vilification, but all in vain, we were proud of our name and origin and remained Russian. This is of course also about Hungarian Russians ... ””.
                      16. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 05: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        If someone does not like something in the country of residence, there is always the opportunity to move to another country.

                        then what claims to the Crimeans ??? wink wassat wassat lol lol lol
                      17. Zeev Zeev
                        Zeev Zeev 13 December 2019 07: 40
                        -1
                        Do I have a complaint about Crimeans? There are none, they do not care for me. And Ukrainians obviously have it. For example, why Goblin Aksenov did not dump in his native Balti (Moldova), and Natalka Poklonskaya why she violated the oath to the people of Ukraine.
                      18. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 17: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Do I have a complaint about Crimeans? There are none, they do not care for me. And Ukrainians obviously have it. For example, why Goblin Aksenov did not dump in his native Balti (Moldova), and Natalka Poklonskaya why she violated the oath to the people of Ukraine.

                        patamushta your favorite gunpowder did not dump in Moldova !!! wink laughing laughing laughing
                2. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 05: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  How did it all start in Odessa?

                  know ... from the armed coup in Kiev !!!negative negative negative
                  1. Zeev Zeev
                    Zeev Zeev 13 December 2019 07: 41
                    -1
                    I am interested in the day of May 2, 2014. How it all began, who was the attacking side, who are the dead ...
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 17: 10
                      +2
                      Quote: Zeev Zeev
                      I am interested in the day of May 2, 2014.

                      this is all your problem with troubles !!! request request you think that it all started just like that ... but you forget about the jumps of the Maidanashki with the subsequent armed coup !!! fool negative negative negative
            2. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 05: 00
              +2
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Actually, I know. But not the point. What do you know?

              Strange of you Jew !!! recourse recourse or you, like Zelensky, just mow under the Jew ?? !!! what wassat wassat lol lol lol
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 13 December 2019 07: 44
                -2
                Zelensky doesn’t mow under, this disgrace of the Jewish people (for his mother) simply does not have a clear cultural, national and state self-identification. Scoop what to take from it.
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 17: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  Zelensky doesn’t mow under, this disgrace of the Jewish people (for his mother) simply does not have a clear cultural, national and state self-identification. Scoop what to take from it.

                  Apparently, it’s a disgrace not a current ... your netanyah, smiling at the Nazi salute from ukrokaraul, is a capital shame !!! wassat wassat good good
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 04: 58
      +2
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Yes, the Dutch peacekeepers did not prevent him, fearing for their lives.

      such an excuse should not roll .... indulgence in a war crime - this is not a crime of small gravity to you !!! and these bastards right now blame Russia for knocking over vna bong !! negative negative negative
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 13 December 2019 07: 45
        -1
        Indulgence is how? The Netherlands did not arm the Serbs who slaughtered Muslims and did not take part in this war.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 13 December 2019 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Indulgence is how?

          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Yes, the Dutch peacekeepers did not prevent him, fearing for their lives.
  13. demo
    demo 10 December 2019 18: 57
    0
    If Ukraine gains control of the border without observing the preliminary agreements laid down in Minsk, then a new Srebrenica may arise on the territory of the LPR and DPR due to Ukrainian nationalists. They can arrange it there.

    In the case of the implementation of this paragraph, Ukrainian nationalists can arrange this immediately, but in a year, two or three.
    There would be a desire.
    This is by the way.

    Hope, so to speak. most likely consists in another.
    In the case of the return of LDNR to Ukraine’s control, this can cause such centripetal tendencies that all this unfinished simply collapse.
    And Natsik do not understand this.
    They would have everything that does not accept their ideology should be sent to free swimming.
    And they are trying to reformat the people.
    As long as Russia is nearby, their idea is doomed to failure.
    This they will not understand.
    And failure leads to the total eradication of any national idea.
    Whatever she is.
    Eradication is precisely with carriers.

    And then Srebrenica will seem like a Sunday children's party.
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      1. demo
        demo 10 December 2019 20: 22
        +3
        No. What do you.
        They will show tolerance, philanthropy, tolerance.
        Especially after five years of previous events.
        When just to kill someone fired at the Donbass.
        Are you expecting me to add an epithet to you?
        The moderator will not miss.

        But I will inform you that the moderator is not interested.
        I have always been like you and will be extremely negative.
        "Your father is a liar. And you are liars."
        I think you know who told whom.
  14. Zhivan
    Zhivan 10 December 2019 18: 57
    +8
    Several thousand Serbs were killed in Srebrenica (1992-1993) !!!
    What happened in 1995 is not fully established !!!
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 20: 10
      -14
      Everything is fully installed. And the war crimes of the Serbs, and Croats, and Bosnians.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 10 December 2019 21: 19
        +11
        Are you talking about the Hague Tribunal or something? Do not make me laugh. This is the judgment of the Serbs.
        1. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 10 December 2019 21: 22
          -8
          Yeah. And for some reason they plant Croats and Bosnians.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 11 December 2019 12: 21
            +2
            Are you joking or don’t own a question at all? You look how many Serbs planted and how many others? Does your name Hashima Tachi say something? He personally has hands in hands in blood - and nothing, neither more nor less - the Prime Minister of Kosovo.

            Have you read the memoirs of the prosecutor of the Hague Tribunal Carla Del Ponte?
            1. Zeev Zeev
              Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 12: 50
              -2
              Serbs are planted mainly because most war crimes were committed by the Serbs. Not because Croats and Bosnians are so cute, but Serbs are monsters. Just because of their quantitative superiority and better weapons, the Serbs had more options for mass executions, blockades and ethnic cleansing.
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 11 December 2019 13: 52
                +2
                No, because what you say is a lie, a lie and a provocation. I gave you a link to the source of what confirms my words. And not just a source, but the recollections of the prosecutor of the Hague Tribunal. When you read them, then back to this conversation. In the meantime, you are incompetent in this matter and your knowledge of the conflict and the Hague court at the level of the European citizen.

                About such "trifles" as the murder of Milosevic in the dungeons of the tribunal by not providing him with proper medical assistance - I generally keep quiet. My attitude to the Hague is best illustrated by the words of the Serbian general Ratko Mladic:

                “You are a NATO court. You judge me and my people as a court of NATO. You have no right to do so. You are biased. ”
                1. Zeev Zeev
                  Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 13: 58
                  -2
                  Is Ratko Mladic who sits behind the massacre in Srebrenica?
                  1. Butchcassidy
                    Butchcassidy 11 December 2019 15: 06
                    +2
                    Do you know many Serbian generals by the name of Ratko Mladic?

                    In my opinion, you just overflow from empty to empty. Yes, and on a serious topic, in which you don’t understand a squirrel.
                    1. Zeev Zeev
                      Zeev Zeev 11 December 2019 16: 05
                      -3
                      That is, the statements of Ratko Mladic, on whose order about 8000 civilians were killed, are authoritative, but there is no court decision? In the former Yugoslavia, EVERYONE was involved in war crimes. Judging by these crimes ALL.
                      1. Butchcassidy
                        Butchcassidy 11 December 2019 21: 26
                        +2
                        They explained everything to you in Russian in white. But you, like a ram, have rested and continue to believe the decisions of the Hague Tribunal as Torah.

                        I asked a simple question - did you read the memoirs of Carla Del Ponte? You were silent. From which I conclude that you have not read anything.

                        Therefore, you understand this issue as a non-kosher pig in oranges.

                        Further, you are aware that Vojislav Seshel has not been charged for 12 years - can this be called justice at all? Further. The same tribunal fully acquitted Sheshel, but the composition of the judges was changed and they passed a guilty verdict. Those. there is a political decision precisely on the conviction. Did these judges refuse to make an indictment? No problem, we will find other judges.

                        Further, neither Hashim Thaçi, nor Aliya Izetbegovic were even charged with anything, although according to the testimony of Carla Del Ponte there is convincing evidence of personal involvement in the murder of Serbs and the organization of "black" transplantation of their organs by Hashim Thaçi? All this happened with the participation of two surgeons - from Turkey and Israel.

                        But you can continue to believe the decisions of the Hague Tribunal and build on that the degenerative conclusions that these decisions reflect reality and indicate that the Serbs committed several more crimes.
                      2. Butchcassidy
                        Butchcassidy 16 December 2019 09: 33
                        0
                        [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/vVkW_cmWBNU]

                        Here is a video where General Ratko Mladic personally enters every bus that took civilians out of Srebrenica, introduces himself and gives parting words on the road!

                        The fact that Srebrenica will be taken by storm Mladic warned in advance. And organized the export of civilians.

                        And yes, in Srebrenica, the Serbs formally committed a crime. The fact that they did not take prisoners. Because the 2 "Mujahideen" killed there - the then "ISIS" (ISIS * - a banned organization) did this with young children and pregnant women, which is impossible even to describe. Although, from my point of view, this is a deserved execution before God and people, and not a crime.

                        Thank God that the videoconferencing ironed most of the barmaley and in the same Bosnia and Herzegovina most of them will never return, and will remain there to fertilize the land of Syria.
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  16. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 10 December 2019 19: 01
    +7
    The first question is "if they enter," the second is "how will they enter, how will they leave?"

    We do not have Paris here, they will not stand on ceremony)

    And about the borders it’s ridiculous who will give them away?)))
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 10 December 2019 19: 07
      +2
      Exactly. Bredyatina this
    2. Xenofont
      Xenofont 10 December 2019 19: 51
      +2
      Kakela really think of you as a sacred sacrifice on the altar of the "puppy-dead Ceevropa". Replaced in the minds of the memories of broken faces on mythical "victories"!
  17. Nikolai
    Nikolai 10 December 2019 19: 04
    +7
    All the problems are that the new Ukrainian regime in 2014 was officially recognized by the Russian authorities. If this did not happen, the situation today would be completely different — in Russia's favor. And in gas issues and in the Donbass and in the Crimea and in everything else. Now a timid attempt is being made to create a tribunal for crimes of Ukraine against Crimean citizens (blockade on water, electric energy, gas, transport) and so on. But so timid! And what will come of this ?! Here the Kremlin is spinning like a frying pan. Longing takes. It is not too late to denounce recognition, it is never too late to create a Ukrainian government in exile, it is not too late to declare everywhere the illegitimacy and crimes of the new Ukrainian government. Poklonskaya, where are you !?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 December 2019 19: 47
      +2
      In general, it is not late when his whole world recognized
  18. eagle owl
    eagle owl 10 December 2019 19: 06
    +1
    Can not. If they even surrender, they won’t LEAVE from there, but those who simply wouldn’t let Srebnyanka do not.
  19. Avior
    Avior 10 December 2019 19: 16
    +4
    It is unclear what is meant
    The implementation of the Minsk Agreements is precisely what this suggests, the difference is only in the order of implementation
    What will the accepted papers give if the voiced threat is real?
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 10 December 2019 19: 39
    0
    Serebrenitsa will happen, no matter what border international "peacekeepers" are, the border with Russia or the border of the LPR and 404 ..
  21. GUSAR
    GUSAR 10 December 2019 19: 45
    +1
    "A new Srebrenica may arise" ... But what was in the "old"? And if, nevertheless, it does arise, will it not be someone else's fault?
  22. Zhivan
    Zhivan 10 December 2019 19: 51
    +6
    Srebrenica will not happen again, more recently Kosovo !!!
  23. Yuri
    Yuri 10 December 2019 19: 52
    +3
    The author reasonably explains why Srebrenica is mentioned as an example. But still actually recognize this heinous Western falsification is very ugly and counterproductive. In Srebrenica, the West mourned the adored, precious Bosniaks, and in the Donbas, Russians were dying, so that there would not scare anyone with this GDP
  24. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 10 December 2019 19: 59
    +6
    Today I was on a one-day visit to my small homeland, the LPR. While the control was underway, at the Izvarino checkpoint, as always, it was long and sad, during the smoke breaks in the "column" there was nothing but talk - what next? Mainly worried about the issue of handing over borders. I would like to believe that it was not in vain that VVP said, "If you surrender the border to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it will be a massacre in Srebrenica!"
    Hope dies last!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 10 December 2019 20: 27
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Mostly worried about the subject of surrendering borders

      Read "Minskie" at your leisure. There is no "putting"borders.

      Details needed - I can explain.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 10 December 2019 20: 51
        +2
        In general, there it is a transfer to the Ukrainian side
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 December 2019 20: 53
          -1
          Quote: Kronos
          In general ...

          ... I did not address you. Anyway.

          "Generally" before transfer - there are a number of points that must be fulfilled. Are you sure you know what these items are? Buddy wink
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 10 December 2019 20: 57
            -2
            What will prevent them from formally fulfilling them and then playing back everything or just pushing the USA we will lift your sanctions and do you agree to Putin so?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 10 December 2019 20: 58
              +1
              Clear. Bread - on Fridays, sorry.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 10 December 2019 20: 59
                -2
                Clear answer no expected
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 10 December 2019 21: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: Kronos
                  no answer expected

                  I do not train beginner trolls. I'm not interested laughing
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 10 December 2019 22: 27
              +4
              Quote: Kronos
              What will prevent them from formally fulfilling them

              Do you hold Emmanuel Macron and Angela Merkel for fools?
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 10 December 2019 22: 28
                -2
                No, I don’t keep strictly spitting on what is happening there and how Ukraine will do it, they simply close all eyes
      2. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 10 December 2019 21: 10
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Read "Minskie" at your leisure. There is no "surrender" of boundaries.
        Details needed - I can explain.
        The background of what resulted in the appearance of what you want to explain to me, I felt on "my own skin", during the shelling in 2014-2015! And I remember well what was guaranteed by the complex of measures of the "Minsk agreements". Yes, there is no the words "surrender", there, - "restoration of full control over the state border from Ukraine." that, with self-preparation, everything is fine!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 December 2019 21: 25
          -2
          Quote: Vladimir61
          I have self-training, everything is fine!

          I didn’t mean to infringe you somehow, ahem.

          Quote: Vladimir61
          The synonym "surrender", in the everyday life of the residents of the unconquered Donbass and sympathetic citizens, appeared after understanding how Ukraine is determined to fulfill them

          You probably understand that if everything was decided by "Ukraine", the LPNR would not have been like that five years ago?

          Quote: Vladimir61
          "restoration of full control over the state border by Ukraine"

          According to Minsky, this is preceded by:

          - constitutional reform in Ukraine,

          ... which implies decentralization as a key element (taking into account the particularities of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, agreed with representatives of these regions), as well as the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of certain regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

          One who knows how to read will easily see here, for example, the LDNR's own armed forces. Legitimized. Type "part of the APU".

          What do you think, under whose control will the border be transferred?

          However - all this is so far from the current reality that you can even not think about it ... that there the Ukropresident has soaked his hopes - "no federalization"? Well, that means there is no border for you ...

          That's about it, in short.
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 10 December 2019 21: 49
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I didn’t mean to infringe you somehow, ahem.
            I, to you personally, no complaints! Politicians and experts have been talking about it for six years now, but the truth is "somewhere winked "And I think your answer is normal, not worthy of a minus.
  25. frizzy
    frizzy 10 December 2019 20: 11
    +3
    As a result of the meeting in Paris, he was finally convinced that big politics is pure water - prostitution !!!!
  26. Deathmaker
    Deathmaker 10 December 2019 20: 12
    +3
    Avakov will lead them, as usual. Actually this is now the second person in the state, after Beni.
    Vova gave a bad example. Srebrenica did not appear out of the blue - it was a response for ethnic cleansing "as a result of which about 2383 Serbian women and children died" (c) Viki
  27. babylon
    babylon 10 December 2019 21: 10
    0
    It will be fair if, in return, the Donetsk one takes control of Kiyov))
  28. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 10 December 2019 21: 17
    +3
    I DO NOT like this comparison with Srebrenica. Given the stories with empty coffins, the doubling or even zaprodivanie names of the dead or recording in the number of victims of the dead by the armed Bosniaks or those who died or died before the events of Srebrenica.

    Although the idea is very clear - no one will give LDNR to the Bandera skating rink.
  29. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 10 December 2019 22: 11
    +3
    Srebrenica will arise if the Russian president does not stand up for LDNR, just as they did not stand up for the Serbs at the time. And not only for the Serbs.
  30. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 10 December 2019 22: 37
    +1
    Yes, there will be no integrations. Ukraine is not ready, and it is not able to fulfill any point of all these agreements. That's all built on. They will give the republic, immediately the bodyagion with the Crimea will begin.
  31. Basarev
    Basarev 10 December 2019 22: 40
    +1
    Isn’t it easier to finally recognize these republics or even let them into Russia? Against Russia, these cowardly scum just do not climb. And no Srebrenits.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 December 2019 23: 45
      -1
      And who killed the Russian military in 2017 or the boats that tried to break through? Do not underestimate them.
  32. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 11 December 2019 03: 48
    +1
    It is necessary to maintain an extremely tough stance with Ukraine and do everything possible so that contacts with the United States are less close
  33. the same doctor
    the same doctor 11 December 2019 08: 22
    0
    Putin took away pensions from the Russians of his country. Do you believe that he is worried about the fate of the Russian Donbass?