The aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov needed additional repairs

The amount of work to repair the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" has increased, it became clear after the ship was fault-finded. This was announced by the head of USC Alexei Rakhmanov.

According to Rakhmanov, the repair of the ship is proceeding according to the schedule, however, the flaw detection carried out in October showed the need for additional work, which the head of the USC did not say. Despite the increased volume of necessary repairs, Russia's only aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" is planned to be returned the fleet in 2022, as stipulated by the contract.

The work is progressing on schedule, additional works are appearing, since the completed full inspection in October revealed the need for additional work

- said the head of the USC.

He explained that all actions to repair the USC ship will be coordinated with the Ministry of Defense. Earlier it was reported that the Russian Navy planned to receive the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser in 2021.

Problems with the repair and modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" arose after the loss of the only floating dock in the Northern Fleet PD-50 of the 82nd ship repair plant, where the second docking of the cruiser was to take place. Currently, a new dry dock is being built at the 35th shipyard of the Zvyozdochka TS, the work is scheduled to be completed next year.

Comments

[Pivot]

Yes, even if they take apart the screws and assemble it with the replacement of everything that needs to be replaced. The main thing is that the aircraft carrier was on campaigns and not standing at the pier.

[antivirus]

by 22 g, zircons with calibers will already be needed - let them still delay

[Vladimir16]

And I love this ship!
Handsome!
In general, Russian ships are refined and "noble".
It feels like becoming.

[zache]

Not to torture, but to bury with honors, probably the best thing for Kuzi.

[Ax Matt]

Agree! I thought the same thing, looking at this nonsense about two heads - I'm talking about the "Prince of Wales". It seems that there is a mutant molded from two aircraft carriers: an American "flat" one and ours with a springboard. Yes, even with two cabins ... Brrr ... disgusting! In aviation, for example, there is a belief that an ugly plane flies badly. It's the same with ships. And ours is handsome!

[Genry]

Quote: antivirus

by 22 g, zircons with calibers will already be needed

Why does Kuze need shock missiles? With its tonnage, any extra equipment, except for its aviation equipment, is very critical.

[K-612-O]

He already has them, 8 PU Granite. PU replace ussk and it's ok.

[Genry]

Quote: K-612-O

He already has them, 8 PU Granite. PU replace ussk and it's ok.

Abnormal!
Missiles are the occupied volume, mass and crew, which are sorely lacking on such a small aircraft carrier.
The missiles were placed only to give the status of "cruiser", for free passage through places where aircraft carriers are prohibited. But Kuzya doesn’t go into such waters anyway, so it’s better to remove the missiles.

[max702]

It’s smart to repair and sell to Hindus or Chinese .. We don’t need it, a vacuum cleaner for money and a feeder for posts .. There would be at least 5-6 of them, at least there would still be some sense, otherwise the black hole of the fleet ..

[Boa kaa]

Quote: max702

We don't need him...

Quote: 30hgsa

And why is he needed then?

So much has been written and rewritten about this, it's already set on edge!
I just want to ask the especially "gifted" ones: do the PLO-Air Defense ships need to be in the DMZ or not? If you are sitting in a trench, then sit there, do not lean out, otherwise they will crush you with a tank! Or even worse: a bomb will be dropped on the sick head or a shell will fall! And in the sea - there are no trenches ...
And the main enemy of boats is anti-submarine aviation ... And our NKs are tormented by brushing off "harpoons" from beyond the horizon, if their carriers are not knocked down in time ...
And the Central Command for forces in real time cannot be issued and the composition of the warrant cannot be opened if there is no air reconnaissance. Space from the beginning of the database - they will tamp down to the very top, so much so that we won’t even have time to utter a word ...
So, before you open your mouth, answer yourself a simple question; does the fleet need aviation support, cover, or let everything be like in 1941, when the "lappeters" and Messerschmites ironed our battle formations, and the answer is silence !!! (maybe the infantry will be clearer this way?)
Sorry for the harshness, but the right thing is - TIRED !!! when the ignorant point out how to build a bridge along the riverbed!

[Genry]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And the Central Command for forces in real time cannot be issued and the composition of the warrant cannot be opened if there is no air reconnaissance.

For this, there are UAVs and cruise missiles with reconnaissance electronics instead of warheads. An aircraft carrier is not required to launch them - a catapult or launcher is enough. You can land on the water by parachute.

[30hgsa]

What the hell is air defense and anti-aircraft defense if Russia does not build surface ships of the 1st rank at all?
That's really what bothered, so it's your Manilov dreams.
We don't build destroyers. And you are talking about some kind of anti-aircraft defense and air defense by means of aircraft carriers.
Despite the fact that Kuzya cannot provide either air defense or anti-aircraft defense due to his own experimentalism, obsolescence and inferiority.
So before you open your mouth, to use your language, think about what your hypothetical aircraft carriers will cover in 10 years if the funds are spent on maintaining Kuzi in service, instead of building shipyards and deploying any construction of surface ships at least in tonnage 8000. SSBN? And they also triple with us for 10 years or more. And what is the use of covering the SSBNs with the Su-33 regiment if there is no BOD?
And you dreamers are really TIRED. Turn on your head already. "Specialists". Start living in the real world, and not in your Manilov dreams of AUG.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: 30hgsa

Russia does not build surface ships of the 1st rank at all?

Rakhmanov (USC) declares that they are ready to build nuclear EMs of the Leader type (pr. 22560) for 15000 tons. It's up to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the terms of reference were issued back in 2017.
So let's wait and see! Will there still be (Oh-oh-oh!!!)

[max702]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

I just want to ask the especially "gifted" ones: do the PLO-Air Defense ships need to be in the DMZ or not?

This junk will not be able to provide any of the things you named .. And this is reality, the rest is your wet dreams ..
With the beginning of the database in which the fleet will participate on a large scale, the planet Earth will be rammed with strategic nuclear forces and no one will give a damn about eating something in the sea or in space .. Remember not about Messers, but about bricks that they clean guns for the comparison is similar ..

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Sorry for the harshness, but the right thing is - TIRED !!! when the ignorant point out how to build a bridge along the riverbed!

totally agree with you!!!

[peter rusin_2]

Only you had to complete your post with your signature phrase: Come closer, Banderlog))

[30hgsa]

And why is he needed then? Building an aircraft carrier fleet in the 21st century is like building a battleship fleet in the 20th :)

[Avior]

And what century was the battleship fleet built in?

[30hgsa]

In the 20th, so that he would stand at the bases for the entire WWII, and during WWII, battleships gave way to cheaper aircraft carriers. As a result, there is nothing greater and more useless than the Chinese wall and the battleship Yamato :-) battleships of the 20th century, if we take the results of their use and the cost of their construction, rather harmed than helped :-) and all because they were guided by the concept of artillery general battle of ships from the 19th century, which was last realized during Tsushima

[donavi49]

Well, in fact, in WWI - everything is not so simple.

If the Kaiser did not have a fleet. Then he would have to withdraw significant forces to the northern rampart. For the British-French - could really make a large-scale landing operation, somewhere near Kiel, as a solution to a positional impasse. And with the fleet, such ideas went around (but went out to all sorts of Galipoli / Greece - just because of the low opposition).

That is, the fact that your fleet is in the bases - it is also fighting in reality. For the enemy is forced to reckon with this and reject certain decisions.

On the other hand, the question is what is better, to spend so many resources on large ships and sailors, or to spend them on an army. However, this is not a computer strategy, and again, some kind of design bureau or a chain of cooperation for a battleship will not be able to completely reorganize for other purposes.

About today - No. 1 need today, to stumble all sorts of backward countries. And here the aircraft carrier is just very, very needed.

[30hgsa]

1. The issue of coastal defense in WWI was solved by mining in the Baltic, where the Kaiserfleet did not succeed in landings despite total superiority.

2. Where the landing happened .... It turned out Gallipoli :-) as you yourself said. And then the Turks ... In the conditions of Germany, the landing would be a gift and a punching bag.

3. Not backward countries will not let us zapinivat just like that. And where we act legitimately, as in Syria, it is always easier to deploy a base on the ground.

[Avior]

More or less effective aircraft carriers appeared only by the middle of the 20th century, before that, battleships determined dominance at sea.
Maybe by the middle of 21 something new will appear, but so far it is aircraft carriers that determine the capabilities of the fleet - it is not surprising, many rushed to build UDCs with the capabilities of light aircraft carriers, and some took care of aircraft carriers.

[30hgsa]

Before the advent of effective naval aviation, cruisers and submarines fought at sea. And the battleships were dominating the bases. :-) at the same time, instead of a Kaiser-type battleship, it was possible to equip an army corps :-) and it would remain ... the battleships had no tasks of their own except for the battle with battleships, a thing in itself

[DAC scratch]

Quote: 30hgsa

Before the advent of effective naval aviation, cruisers and submarines fought at sea. And the battleships were dominating the bases. :-) at the same time, instead of a Kaiser-type battleship, it was possible to equip an army corps :-) and it would remain ... the battleships had no tasks of their own except for the battle with battleships, a thing in itself

oh you would argue with kaptsov

[30hgsa]

Kaptsov has an ideal ship - all-cast iron, so that granite does not break through. What's the point of arguing with him?

[K-612-O]

Well, in WWI, in the end it all came down to a mine war, battleships dangled off the coast, supporting the infantry where they could. And WWII is a war of submarines and raiders in Europe and aircraft carriers in the East

[max702]

Quote: 30hgsa

In the 20th, so that he would stand at the bases for the entire WWII, and during WWII, battleships gave way to cheaper aircraft carriers. As a result, there is nothing greater and more useless than the Chinese wall and the battleship Yamato :-) battleships of the 20th century, if we take the results of their use and the cost of their construction, rather harmed than helped :-) and all because they were guided by the concept of artillery general battle of ships from the 19th century, which was last realized during Tsushima

Eka, you immediately with trump cards then ...
And it's beautiful to play boats! Romance! Waves, wind, salt spray ... True, zero sense, but nothing .. Examples of wars of bygone days are especially funny ..

[Avior]

and examples from future wars should be taken with a look into the future?
and the boys in China don't even know.
And the rest of the world too

[max702]

Quote: Avior

and examples from future wars should be taken with a look into the future?

At least try to model it, and not pray for the past, no one now remembers something about the Macedonian phalanx and Cossack lava, as well as about the battleships of the Second World War .. The point in the AUG was while they were cheap and technologically advanced and the air defense was poor before extremes, but even as soon as the air defense at the end of the Second World War, the United States pulled up the AUG of Japan raked .. Today, the AUG is an expensive dead end branch and it seems to me that with the entry into service of hypersound everyone will understand this .. Even the appearance of supersonic anti-ship missiles in small states instead of subsonic ones will create global problems for everyone fleets of great powers, and hypersound will simply nullify them .. This is a similar situation with the advent of rifled weapons, or steamships and a sailing fleet .. forgot how RI invested in an outdated solution, namely, in the sailing fleet and in the Crimean raked to the fullest? What did the heroic fleet do there? drowned? The sailors then heroically fought on the ground, well, why then were the funds spent on all these marine stray?

[Avior]

I would like to understand how you modeled the advantage of anti-ship missiles over aircraft carriers?
So far, in reality, anti-ship missiles have shown themselves only against an enemy unprepared to strike
And it's not their speed, but the limited capabilities of the GOS of such missiles

[max702]

Quote: Avior

I would like to understand how you modeled the advantage of anti-ship missiles over aircraft carriers?

No way .. The fleet is everything .. Even if some opponent succeeds in winning a sea battle, other components of the aircraft will nullify this victory completely .. Accordingly, the game of boats has long lost its meaning .. Understanding this raises the question of the absolute uselessness of an ocean-scale fleet. So watchdogs and nothing more, everything else loses its meaning ..

[Avior]

The British in the Falklands fleet solved the problem
And didn't let me reset
Full-fledged war is now rare
Pinpoint strikes, blockades, small conflicts - a fleet is needed
But, of course, you need to take into account other components of the aircraft.

[max702]

Quote: Avior

The British in the Falklands fleet solved the problem

What did he decide? The fleet managed it as best it could and even more than that, they were banally lucky that even 50% of the ammunition that HAPPENED into the English ships did not explode among the hand-assed Argentines .. It was this fact that did not completely disgrace the fleet, and not any other reason. Is there any certainty that this will always be the case? And by the way, after this conflict in England, conclusions were drawn that we are seeing today in the Royal Navy. Everything went to the fact that England would present a joker in the form of nuclear weapons, but it was precisely the reason that I indicated above that saved Britain from this.
We observed a similar epic proser off the coast of Syria, and only the absolute unimportance of the presence of AUG off the coast of this state did not affect the course of the database in it in any way. Armed Forces of Russia and Syria.

[Avior]

The ammunition did not explode at all by chance - the air defense of the fleet drove the Argentines to ultra-low altitudes, at which the bombs did not have time to remove the fuse
In any case, there was no talk of the use of nuclear weapons by the British

[30hgsa]

Yes, there is an example - WWII. The Kriegsmarine, compared to the British fleet, is a zilch. 2 battleships of 40k tons each, 2 pickpockets of 30k tons each, 1 aircraft carrier. The UK has 15 battleships and battlecruisers, 5 aircraft carriers, and a bunch of 1 ranks are being built :) So what? Were there landings? Or did the fleet somehow influence the war? Yeah-uh-huh. Limited torch operation and all. Everything else is after Stalingrad and Kursk :) But the Germans sailed to Scapa Flow to sink battleships with a submarine right in the harbor :))

And yes, you correctly said - romance! This is the beauty of the 100 ton Kuzya-000 aircraft carrier at sea! Airplanes fly, salt spray, the admiral is all in black and with a dagger ... Only to build it you need to score on cruisers, destroyers, submarines and in the event of a big war they will sink it in half an hour :) And in the case of a local war - a hundred times cheaper place an air regiment on the ground in the conflict zone :) But we will dream about carrier-based air defense, anti-aircraft defense and UFOs! :))

[Avior]

Therefore, there was no landing because the British had a fleet that the Germans could not neutralize

[loki565]

An excellent story about the famous battle. It clarifies a lot with the arms race of that time)))

[figwam]

Quote: 30hgsa

And why is he needed then?

Why build ships if there are submarines, this is a question from the same topic.

[30hgsa]

Nope. Actually not from that topic.

What tasks does an obsolete aircraft carrier solve in the fleet, in which there is not a single ship of the 1st rank of the new construction? :) With us, if mass construction of destroyers does not begin in the next five years, the fleet will be reduced to rank 2 and it will be impossible for Kuzi to form an AUG.

Stretch your legs along the clothes, don't you?

[figwam]

Quote: 30hgsa

What tasks does an obsolete aircraft carrier solve in the fleet

There is no aircraft carrier, no carrier-based aviation, so we will forever lag behind other maritime powers that do not refuse ships of this class.

[30hgsa]

Again. By letters. Slowly. We won't even have an essay soon. With a fleet without ships of the 1st rank in general, how far will we lag behind other maritime powers? But yes, there will be a dozen pilots who can take off from the deck.

We have a country with a military budget several times smaller than that of the United States and China. And you have to choose. Do you want to keep the fleet in principle or carrier-based aviation?

[figwam]

Quote: 30hgsa

Again. By letters. Slowly. Soon we won't even have an eminent

Well, if you spell it out, then why don’t you like TAVKR Kuznetsov, accompanied by TARKR Peter the Great or TARKR Admiral Nakhimov after repair and deep modernization? This is the preservation of the fleet and carrier-based aviation with our budget.

[Avior]

The Germans in WWII also decided so, but life has shown that a balanced fleet is needed

[30hgsa]

The Germans would have won WWII if they had not attacked the USSR. :) At the same time, the Germans had 1 aircraft carrier and 4 battleships (2 pocket). Great Britain had 15 battleships and battlecruisers, 5 aircraft carriers. France has 7 battleships and 1 aircraft carrier. So the Germans got everything right. Their calculations are confirmed by practice, the countries that invested in the battleship fleet were defeated on the ground and were either occupied or cut off and under siege.

[Avior]

And who did the Germans have to attack?
The British fleet did not let them land in England, and other opponents were transferred

[taurtaurov]

Quote: 30hgsa

And why is he needed then? Building an aircraft carrier fleet in the 21st century is like building a battleship fleet in the 20th :)

And why do you think he went to Syria, we thought, that's what the Carrier Fleet is for

[30hgsa]

But I don’t know why he went to Syria. 154 sorties from Kuzi versus 40 sorties from ground bases. At the same time, 000 aircraft crashed while operating from an aircraft carrier. When working from ground bases, 2 strike aircraft were lost due to technical reasons.

[Civil]

And where to hurry, it is clear that now it will be a training ship to maintain skills and competencies, which, in principle, it was before. Better to have it restored...

[Maz]

I wonder if they will change granites for lionfish caliber on Kuza? Or zircons?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Pivot

The main thing is that the aircraft carrier was on campaigns and not standing at the pier.

The main thing is that naval aviation should fly and put new, young pilots on the wing! And there is someone to go on "hikes" ...

Quote: antivirus

put zircons with calibers - let them delay

Let them put zircons with calibers on escort ships. And the main weapon of TAVKR is its aviation. It would be nice to take care of her. And then the Su-33 finishes off its resource (something is not visible for replacement!), And the MiG-35K still can’t be ordered ... So it turns out: there’s nothing to fly!

Quote: max702

repair and sell to Hindus or Chinese

They are building China to the fullest, and the Indians after "Gorshkov-Vikramaditya" decided to "give birth" (an aircraft carrier) themselves Vikrant ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Pivot

Yes, even if they take apart the screws and assemble it with the replacement of everything that needs to be replaced. The main thing is that the aircraft carrier was on campaigns and not standing at the pier.

It's right..

Asterisk dropped from the sky
Right in the sweetheart's pants.
Let everything be torn there -
If only there was no war!

Sliced ​​in all its glory...

It is planned to spend about 60 billion rubles on the repair and modernization of the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.
Such an amount, according to an Interfax source in the military-industrial complex, appears in the terms of reference for the repair of the ship, which, according to him, has already been “signed and approved”.

However, during the journey, the dog could grow up ...
And, which is typical, this is not the first time ... Either the Olympics require additional costs, then the Vostochny cosmodrome, then the SSJ-100 project, then the costs for officials and the State Duma need to be urgently increased (they would not run away from the state service) , then effective managers need to be paid at the level (so that they don’t ... lay out the truth about a past life), then additional capitalization of banks requires 1 rubles ...
And I am sure that it will not be repaired until March 2024... You can rest assured... But you believe... The film was like this: "Believe me, people!"

[ver_]

... * whether there will be more, oh oh oh ... *

[svp67]

According to Rakhmanov, the repair of the ship is proceeding according to the schedule, however, the flaw detection carried out in October showed the need for additional work, which the head of the USC did not say.

Still, such a crane on its deck, when leaving the dock, “slammed” ... it’s clear that it didn’t do without damage. And how are they going to dock?

[raw174]

Quote: svp67

And how are they going to dock?

Currently, a new dry dock is being built at the 35th shipyard of the Zvyozdochka TS, the work is scheduled to be completed next year.

this is mentioned at the end of the article.

[svp67]

Quote: raw174

this is mentioned at the end of the article.

Yes, I read and saw pictures of the work. Not a specialist, but some specialists express great doubts in this matter. But nevertheless, I wish success to USC. "Admiral ..." is too iconic a ship not only for the fleet, but for Russia as a whole.

[Mountain shooter]

Eh, you don’t have Stalin ... For drowning the dock, I would build right and wrong along and across ...

[askort154]

Mountain Shooter...Eh, you don’t have Stalin ... For drowning the dock, I would build right and wrong along and across ...

We now have "business-capital-democracy". That month there was an article on VO that
The Investigative Committee is still investigating the causes and perpetrators of the fall of the crane. A whole year to investigate the fall of the crane !!! ........

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Eh, you don’t have Stalin ... For drowning the dock, I would build right and wrong along and across ...

Under Stalin, five-year plans were fulfilled in three years, and economic growth of 10-15% was the norm. Don't you know what interested people are capable of ... They would build a new Kuznetsov there in a five-year period, even if this required the return of the Nikolaev shipyards ...
I don't know of a single project in modern Russia (I won't say whose board) that would meet the deadlines and budget. Let not completely, even partially (with a slight excess).
But, here is the main thing -

[bessmertniy]

If people were still interested in it normally, then everything would be built faster, and the country would be richer, and the mood is not so bad when you can barely make ends meet.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ROSS 42

There, a new Kuznetsov would have been built in a five-year period, even if this required the return of the Nikolaev shipyards ...

And how, under Stalin, they built LK pr. 23?
But according to the initial plans approved at the highest level, the "Soviet Union" was supposed to be built in 1942. But in fact, on 01.01.1941/19,44/1945, the readiness of the LC was only XNUMX%, and exclusively due to hull structures. The date of delivery shifted to the right as much as XNUMX.
And you can also remember the leader "Leningrad", which was allegedly built in the first five-year plan, but in fact was completed until 1938, after it was handed over to the fleet.

[knn54]

Maybe there are no additional works, but additional funding will not hurt.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: knn54

Maybe there are no extras

And the holes in the flight deck and bent pillars after the collapse of the crane - did your uncle foresee in the previous repair manuals? But about "additional work" and "additional financing" to speculate - do not feed with bread!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And the holes in the flight deck and bent pillars after the collapse of the crane - did your uncle foresee in the previous repair manuals?

Judging by the photo, the crane fell not only on the deck, but also touched the area where the arresters were installed.

[Avior]

fault detection carried out in October showed the need for additional work, which, the head of the USC did not report. Despite the increased volume of necessary repairs, the only aircraft-carrying cruiser in Russia, Admiral Kuznetsov, is planned to be returned to the fleet in 2022, as stipulated by the contract.

Come on money!

[Alexey-74]

We’ll just run Zircon by this time, I wonder if they will leave the weapons at Kuznetsovo?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Alexey-74

We’ll just run Zircon by this time, I wonder if they will leave the weapons at Kuznetsovo?

The most important thing is that by this time the crew of the cruiser itself has not forgotten how to perform its functional duties, the planes would not fall apart and the pilots would not lose their qualifications ...

[30hgsa]

A ship of prestige ... Pilot training is possible on a string ... and why? We can’t keep up with China and the USA, we don’t have a serial destroyer ... but we are engaged in aircraft carriers. The air defense of the fleet (covering the deployment of SSBNs) in our conditions can be provided with ship-based air defense systems and coastal-based aviation. Helicopter carriers are needed to search for submarines.

[kepmor]

well, there is no special prestige in him at all ...
today "Kuznetsov" is the only school desk for our "deckers" ...
and no "threads" will replace it ...
putting the Admiral under the gas cutter is the same as putting a bold cross on our carrier-based aviation, in which a lot of money and human lives have been invested ...

[30hgsa]

Yes, but, I repeat, there are no tasks for aircraft carriers in the modern Russian fleet.
At the same time, Russia has not mastered the construction of even destroyers.
Now the only way to keep the fleet any significant in the future is to cut everything superfluous without waiting for peritonitis - to build shipyards and, following the example of the Chinese, deploy the construction of destroyers of the 1st rank, if not the best, but some.
All ideas about covering the fleet and SSBNs with aircraft carriers and their aircraft ... Manilov's dreams, nothing more. We don't have destroyers, what the hell are aircraft carriers?
Therefore, carrier-based aviation ... it was sentenced back in 1991, alas.

[kepmor]

well, you don’t need a special mind to cut and destroy ... especially since we have skills “above the roof” ...
at one time they already "put under the knife" both the MRA divisions and the PLO aviation regiments in the fleets ...
what is there ... let's also bury the "deckmen" at the same time behind momentary lack of demand ...
I am glad that people who see the situation a little further than the back of the sofa still serve in the General Staff and the General Staff of the Navy ...

[30hgsa]

And let's assume for a moment that we do not live in a country of pink ponies, but in real Russia.
In real Russia, where there is no construction of surface ships of the 1st rank at all and large ships are rapidly becoming obsolete, and the 2nd rank is being built for a very, very long time ... how long will it take to build aircraft carriers and form an order for them? :)

[max702]

Quote: kepmor

put a bold cross on our carrier-based aviation, in which a lot of money and human lives have been invested ...
Reply

It's high time, it's not necessary, it's expensive and stupid .. Better a hundred pilots in the VKS than ten decks are an order of magnitude more useful ..

[K-612-O]

Pilot training at NITK is impossible in full, boarding a ship that is moving, with pitching, side wind and all the other delights, is a completely different situation than landing on flat ground and knowing that if you roll out, then only on a concrete road, and not in the sea collapse.

[30hgsa]

What's the difference. In the best case, if an economic miracle happens, we will start building the first aircraft carriers in twenty-five to thirty years. When it is not known whether they are needed or not. We currently don't have the resources to simply build a series of frigates and destroyers. And you are worried about carrier-based aviation. It's like a person who has gangrene is worried that his hand will be cut off. We will not cut (we will spend resources for the sake of Manilov's dreams of an AUG - we will lose the fleet altogether.

[kepmor]

we have enough resources to build both frigates and destroyers...
only they are still concentrated in the hands of those who care more about their own good ...

[jeka424]

Remake under
missile carrier))))

[30hgsa]

It is cheaper to put containers on a dry cargo ship :-) the barge is also self-propelled.

[Pecheneg]

Why is it needed? For him, it is still necessary to form a full-fledged AUG. Better to build a couple of nuclear submarines, or half a dozen diesel-electric submarines or a couple of destroyers to build instead.

[Alien From]

Money, like water in a river, goes to this cruiser, taxpayers' money ..... Who benefits from repairing it endlessly ......, why ??? As if there is an aircraft carrier (prestige, etc.), but only under repair ..... and the wolves are full, and the sheep are safe. But the people as always in fools!

[dgonni]

I alone did not understand how it is possible to fit into the repair schedule and hand over the ship in 2022 if new unrecorded but necessary work appeared. And re-docking is planned in a dry dock, which, in fact, is not yet there and on which, in fact, work has just begun!

[Saboteur Holuy]

There is no dock ... but they are about repairs ...

[Dmitry Zverev]

From the point of view of a "sofa philistine strategy", I would personally build 10-15 modern destroyers, 10 frigates, and only after that would launch a heavy aircraft carrier into the sea.
The thing is expensive, it requires reliable protection.

[Maks1995]

Standard news, alas ... Aviation, engines, Helicopters, Vostochny, pipelines - money everywhere, come on, come on, the budget ...

[max702]

Quote: taurtaurov

And why do you think he went to Syria, we thought, that's what the Carrier Fleet is for

But it’s better to keep silent about this and never remember NEVER .. No one expected such a fuss, but the fleet could. ..

[30hgsa]

Navy in Syria 154 departures - minus 2 aircraft during takeoff and landing.
Aerospace Forces in Syria 40000 sorties - minus 2 combat aircraft during takeoff and landing, and one more An-26.
An excellent result and an indicator of the strategic importance of our aircraft carriers :)
Despite the fact that the rest of the fleet, including RTOs and DPLs, worked perfectly with barmaley calibers.

[max702]

Quote: 30hgsa

An excellent result and an indicator of the strategic importance of aircraft carriers :)

Unfortunately, mathematics for many commentators on VO is pseudoscience .. People become honest only when they confirm their words with money from their own pocket .. The rest is puffing out their cheeks and drunken tears .. The fleet at the beginning of the 21st century became too expensive, complicated and slow .. Banal Internet with the ability to instantly exchange information, reduced its usefulness to zero .. Previously, as it was, the squadron left somewhere and that’s all .. sit and think where is it, but now? Yes, only the preparation will begin, and already the opponent will take reconnaissance measures, and there will be no surprise! It will flash on the radars in some square and right there the enemy will have new data from which the purpose of the voyage will be calculated instantly, accordingly, the names will be taken .. Of course, as in 91 six months, you can increase the grouping to carry loads for several months, intensify and maneuver as much as you like, like other movements chips on the map BUT we are looking at scenarios with US, respectively, and the range of tools is completely different compared to Iraq .. what worked perfectly in 91 with a non-state, the appearance of only one factor will categorically not work with US, and there are darkness of such factors! And this is compared to 91 and IRAQ, and here examples are given from the times of PM and VO that do not fit into any framework today .. It is not clear who is being deceived ..

[Maalkavianin]

Stop torturing the old man. Write it down in the end.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Vladimir16

And I love this ship!
Handsome!
In general, Russian ships are refined and "noble".
It feels like becoming.

Warriors are not good on the floor. Graceful youngsters are not needed at all in such places. For brothels, they are pleasant. It is not clear what a mastodon doing in the sea, and even alone, let him stand longer and not make people laugh. And we don't have money for ten of them. It is easier and more affordable for our budget to jam the adversary with Calibers, Zircons and Daggers.
Leaving for dessert a hundred beaters with a good name - Satan.
With our capabilities, it is difficult to sink the fleet. But sinking the continent is faster and more possible. Much.

[Corn]

It's high time to make a museum out of "kuzi".
It has no combat value, it has stood at the pier for almost 30 years, while burning up resources to maintain it in the ranks. Why does the fleet need it? - unclear. Here the generals - admirals are understandable, the interest is extremely clear, because this is not a ship - a real gold mine.

[series]

Has and very even!
Just a global war is unlikely, in a hypothetical clash with NATO, it’s definitely not aircraft carriers that will be the decisive factor. But if at some point in the world it is necessary to demonstrate "presence", "project force" or "politely ask" to release Russian citizens who have been held hostage, then "Kuzya" is just that. With a full-fledged air group of several dozen of the latest attack aircraft, covered by submarines and the same "Peter" or "Nakhimov", capable of frying, moreover, the CD for those who are poorly reached by "polite requests".

Look even at the same Syria. Distracting from the political component, a purely military aspect. Imagine, tomorrow Türkiye has faced NATO, Iran has quarreled with the Russian Federation. And how would you deliver people and equipment there (as it was in 2015)? And here you have the opportunity to send an advanced detachment by sea, under the cover of "Kuzi". And for all the parties involved, questions immediately disappear :))

Another thing is that "Kuzya" is brought to a critical state, dymilovo for the whole of Europe, what he arranged is a shame. The air group after the death of Apakidze, de facto, fell apart. Well, for this, they repair it and do everything else. And the admirals steal anyway. They steal from us everywhere, so why not do anything now? And what, the Russian Federation, which claims to be a great power, is not able to repair one medium-class non-nuclear aircraft carrier? Well, it's funny, oh my god...

[Corn]

He cannot project force because of the problematic power plant, the initially unsuccessful layout of the internal compartments, the lack of a sane and modern air wing, obsolete radio-electronic equipment and the ship's control system .... and all this in a tired hull, which is already more than 30 years old.
Building a “new air wing” for an obsolete ship in conditions where the country is catastrophic, just bloody from the nose, as there are not enough normal ground-based multifunctional fighters, is a real crime that undermines the combat capability of the entire country.
By sea, the “Kuzya” cannot cover anyone, it does not have an AWACS aircraft, there is no PLO aircraft, there is no EW aircraft .... and even “Gorshkov” will carry a helicopter without any problems.
Let's look at the same Syria. Did “Kuzya” prove himself at least somehow? - No. Did it provide any benefit? - No. Why could he be needed there at all in the presence of land-based airfields? - absolutely incomprehensible to anyone.
The ship has not been brought to a “critical state”, its power plant defects are congenital, and they are also present wherever a similar boiler-turbine propulsion unit is installed.

[toha124]

In my land-based philistine opinion, Kuzya needs to be retrained as a training ship. For its intended purpose, it is like a suitcase without a handle to the country. But the deck school must be preserved - no one knows how they will fight at sea in 20 years. A carrier-based aviation concentrate is needed. But on the "main caliber" and a significant part of the crew, you can save at the same time.

[Maxwrx]

Let's take the facts:
1) Russia does not build ships of the 1st rank
2) Even such a stripped-down aircraft carrier gives tremendous stability to the entire fleet. The fact that the Americans use it for percussion functions is its secondary role, but not the main one.
3) Russia has no money for a new aircraft carrier.
4) We don't have technology. Electromagnetic catapult, reconnaissance aircraft, modern ship fighter (Mig-29k does not count). The point is to build a new pre-obsolete ship.
5) The fleet is not as important to us as aviation and the land army. We are not England or the USA

The whole world began to build light aircraft carriers, which is why the f35v appeared. China because it is necessary to cover trade routes, compete with the USA, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, India.
India builds because China builds.

[FORCE 38GB]

Good evening everyone ... Let me intervene in your discussion .. I will say briefly .. TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov has been and will be in the ranks of the Russian Navy. Don't be embarrassed. The expediency and duration of its stay in the ranks will be determined by the General Staff.

[Deathmaker]

I wonder if the loss of the dock is being investigated at all? very much like a sabotage happened.

[Robert Korsunsky]

It would be better if they made a missile cruiser with Zircons and Ka 52 helicopters to protect against submarines and more. And install a nuclear reactor on it. More than one thousand missiles will fit there. Then it will be a completely different level.