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A new batch of rocket engines RD-181 sent to the United States

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The Russian NPO Energomash is transferring the second batch of four RD-181 rocket engines this year to the customer - the American company Orbital Sciences Corporation, the enterprise’s website reports.


On December 6, representatives of the American company Orbital Sciences Corporation signed forms for the next batch of four RD-181 commodity engines. Within three days prior to the transfer of the engines, representatives of the customer company conducted their external inspection, inspection of spare parts, tools and accessories, as well as supporting documentation

- said in a note to the press service.

The RD-181 liquid engine was developed and manufactured by NPO Energomash, and is delivered to the USA under a contract concluded in December 2014. The engine is designed to be installed on the first stage of the American Antares missiles.

At the same time, as part of the replacement of Russian products, the American private company Blue Origin is promoting the new BE-4 engine as an alternative. Her competitor, Aerojet Rocketdyne is testing the AR1 engine. However, it is expected that both new products will be fully operational only by the middle of the 2020-s, and will be used on new generation launch vehicles.
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  1. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 December 2019 16: 12
    +12
    Yes, you scho! But what about sanctions against Russia? But what about the prestige of the most high-tech country?
    They are already jumping to / in Ukraine - Zrada!
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 9 December 2019 16: 31
      -4
      Quote: Vladimir61
      But what about sanctions against Russia?

      Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.
      Read about moving Sea Launch.
      In science, too, an information exchange takes place between scientists, but this is not the state level, of course, but communication between people who are passionate about their business and have a bolt on politics, which is why some periodically fly over the article.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 9 December 2019 16: 44
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.

        Yeah ... out of politics!
        NATO has recognized space as one of its fields of activity, said Secretary General of the Alliance Jens Stoltenberg.
        “I am proud of NATO’s historic decision to recognize outer space as a working area along with air, land, sea and cyberspace”
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 9 December 2019 16: 48
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir61
          Yeah ... out of politics!

          What is NATO’s space agency?
          You do not confuse the warm with the soft - leave the military to the military.
        2. dorz
          dorz 9 December 2019 17: 42
          0

          To paraphrase a film - if the engines are not sold, they will turn off the gas. sad
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 9 December 2019 17: 18
        +18
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Space exploration issues are being addressed implicitly and out of politics,

        Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 25
          -2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"

          Sport is a confrontation. There has never been any interaction there.
          If we are squeezed out of him by political methods, then they understand that we are stronger and honestly they cannot win.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 9 December 2019 17: 31
            +14
            Quote: Gray Brother
            There has never been any interaction there.

            Was it in space exploration? Just don't talk about Soyuz-Apollo. Purely PR action.
            If we are squeezed out of him by political methods, then they understand that we are stronger and honestly they cannot win.

            But are they not squeezing out sanctions from the markets?
            Now ALL politics. There is no sphere where she did not fit
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 39
              +3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Was there space exploration?

              ISS.
              Joint project of the lunar station.
              Russian equipment stands on American Mars rovers - it searches for water.
              This is just what I can call offhand.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 9 December 2019 17: 46
                +1
                Quote: Gray Brother
                ISS.

                Only in the American segment we are denied access
                Russian equipment stands on American Mars rovers - it searches for water.

                So this is not a joint project.
                This is just what I can call offhand.

                And I will say offhand, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS in ALL areas.
                And I can’t say at random something where sanctions have not been imposed on us
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS in ALL areas.

                  Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  So this is not a joint project.

                  But this is an interaction.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Only in the American segment we are denied access

                  Interesting. Did not know. Do you deign to provide proof?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 9 December 2019 18: 47
                    -6
                    Quote: Gray Brother
                    Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning.

                    But Bulgakov has nothing to do with it.
                    But this is an interaction.

                    But Americans will use the results of the project
                    Interesting. Did not know.

                    А зря.
                    Do you deign to provide proof?

                    Google to the rescue hi
                    1. Gray brother
                      Gray brother 9 December 2019 19: 35
                      +5
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Google to the rescue

                      I tried it - it does not help.
                      1. eklmn
                        eklmn 10 December 2019 02: 02
                        -1
                        Joint venture. But all rights belong to Pratt & Whitney.
                        “The Russian company Energomash develops and manufactures liquid fuel rocket engines. Produces the RD-180 engine in Khimki, near Moscow. It was purchased and delivered to the USA by a joint venture between Pratt & Whitney and NPO Energomash, established in 1997 by RD AMROSS.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 10 December 2019 03: 24
                        +5
                        Quote: eklmn
                        Joint venture. But all rights belong to Pratt & Whitney.


                        No. The RD-181 engine has nothing to do with Pratt & Whitney.
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 10 December 2019 03: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Google to the rescue

                        I tried it - it does not help.


                        and even it’s not worth trying - a man lied and didn’t answer for his words by pretending to be a hose

        2. Den717
          Den717 10 December 2019 07: 08
          -1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"

          Do not mislead people. Sport has always been an integral part of politics.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 9 December 2019 18: 27
        +5
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.

        No, no! In this case, this is just what the States need! In 2014, after the transition of Crimea under the jurisdiction of Russia, a mountain of sanctions against Russia was included and then it turns out
        The RD-181 liquid engine is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash, supplied to the USA. under a contract concluded in December 2014.
        despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!
        Since they need something, then this is business, nothing personal, but if something bothers them - Here are the sanctions!
        Two-faced hyenas !!!
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 9 December 2019 18: 38
          0
          Quote: Starover_Z
          despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!

          But do we need from them, in general, something vitally important?
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 9 December 2019 18: 41
            +1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Do we really need anything vital from them?

            At least technology for the production of electronic components!
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 9 December 2019 18: 46
              0
              Quote: Starover_Z
              At least technology for the production of electronic components!

              We have our own. "Angstrem", I know, deals with such things.
              In general, the British are in the lead in this area, and about imported technologies - whoever was the first licensed production in Russia to open, sneakers. And whoever loves the flash - let him cuddle for free with his sanctions)))
    2. Voyager
      Voyager 9 December 2019 16: 59
      0
      When will our sanctions be? That is the question.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 01
        +2
        Quote: Voyager
        When will our sanctions be?

        And what's the point of them? It’s we who receive money from them, but not from us.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 9 December 2019 17: 25
          +1
          And if evil spirits will offer to sell for money?
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 28
            0
            Quote: Voyager
            And if evil spirits will offer to sell for money?

            Agree, conclude a contract, but only on the condition that you announce the price later, without specifying specific dates.
            Then she will have to guard you forever.
      2. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 9 December 2019 17: 24
        +1
        sanctions to steal your company that has lost its market?
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 9 December 2019 17: 26
          -1
          It’s already rapidly losing market, it’s not long and the Americans will have not just one replacement, but several.
          1. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 9 December 2019 17: 29
            -2
            when it will be then we’ll see ... though it will be going on for many years ... and you are talking nonsense at the expense of the sales market - as volumes were and remain, plus or minus
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 9 December 2019 17: 58
              0
              Really? In 2012-13, more than 20 launches of American rocket carriers on our engines were made. This is more than 50% of the total number of US launches. Since then, every year the share of our engines has been declining, and in the last 2 years, only 7 launches on our engines. This is 24% and 21% for 2017 and 2018, respectively.
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 32
            -2
            Quote: Voyager
            not long left and the Americans will not even have one replacement, but several.

            Well, the flag in their hands.
            1. Voyager
              Voyager 9 December 2019 18: 01
              +1
              I’m talking about this, with such a pace they will have a flag very soon. In recent years, we have had a counter-pressure tool in the form of retaliatory sanctions, but we have systematically missed this opportunity.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 9 December 2019 18: 06
                -1
                Quote: Voyager
                we had a counter-pressure tool in the form of retaliatory sanctions,

                Did not have. They would develop their engines faster, and we would lose money, that's all.
                By the way, they flew to the moon on something, they say - where did they do it?
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 9 December 2019 18: 21
                  +3
                  You can’t just take it and develop the engine several times faster than usual just because of the impetus, that's the point request And as for the Saturns and their cancellation, there are too many rumors and 0 specifics. Someone says that production and service are too expensive in the absence of requests for such power. Someone says that in the process of closing the program, documentation, specialists, etc., were lost, although little is believed in this.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 9 December 2019 18: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Voyager
                    experts

                    They are not immortal.
                    I won’t tell you for the documentation, but production at the level of technological chains could easily be cheated.
                    Dap there - 24 "Merlin" in one pod going to shove? N-1 in American)))
                  2. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 9 December 2019 18: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Voyager
                    You can’t just take it and develop the engine several times faster than usual just because of the impetus

                    This is a resource allocation issue. No one will devote resources to what is already available, only with mother-of-pearl buttons.
      3. nikolai.kolya
        nikolai.kolya 9 December 2019 17: 35
        -2
        so already fighting with cheese and jamon .... still want to fight with the pills?
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 9 December 2019 18: 25
          +2
          Our government will not go for a massive ban on pills. Their authorities, too, because it will hit the image badly.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 9 December 2019 17: 24
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Yes, you scho! But what about sanctions against Russia? But what about the prestige of the most high-tech country?
      They are already jumping to / in Ukraine - Zrada!

      The question is another reason why these engines did not fall into retaliatory sanctions? And then the American power turbines Vectra 40G manufactured by Dresser-Rand can not be imported into Russia from the sanction, and our rocket engines in the USA please.
    4. Vladislav_2
      Vladislav_2 9 December 2019 17: 36
      -2
      So all the rights to manufacture belong entirely to the mattresses, it’s not sad to be aware of it .... when our NGO survived, it just sold the technology to them for the loot ... and we are paid only for the fact that nothing comes of it laughing ... and therefore we collect them at home yes
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 9 December 2019 16: 13
    -4
    Glimpses of the past ... But there were times when they looked down on America ... Then, on an equal footing ... Now we sell pieces of equipment and we wonder if they will buy it or not? ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 December 2019 16: 19
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But there were times when they looked down on America ...

      Not when and no one, from those who are engaged in rocket science, did not look down upon America as a competitor and adversary, but equal
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Now we sell units of equipment and we wonder - will they buy more or not? ...
      Guessing ????? And on what?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 9 December 2019 16: 55
        0
        That is, it was not we who launched the first satellite, Gagarin ?! Not Yuri Alekseevich made the whole world a standing ovation and paper was thrown from all windows of skyscrapers ?! Well, what kind of Dee are you ... First, that means FIRST!
        1. svp67
          svp67 9 December 2019 17: 15
          +5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          First, it means FIRST!

          You confuse a lot. Yes, in many ways we were the first, but in the competition. And they competed with a worthy opponent, who also had a lot to learn from.
        2. Kirill Dou
          Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 17: 19
          0
          First, but really no one looked down on the Americans.
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 9 December 2019 16: 21
      +2
      And when they looked at America from high?
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 9 December 2019 16: 27
        -2
        When they "promoted" democracy under the wings of airplanes.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 9 December 2019 16: 39
          +3
          Foggy ...
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 December 2019 16: 57
            +1
            Quote: vitvit123
            Foggy ...

            Beep-beep, beep and planes are no longer quoted.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 9 December 2019 16: 45
        0
        Quote: vitvit123
        And when they looked at America from high?

        Dragging something I can name the exact date: April 12, 1961. laughing
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 9 December 2019 16: 48
          +1
          Sorry, but your smiley speaks for you!
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 December 2019 16: 52
            +3
            Quote: vitvit123
            Sorry, but your smiley speaks for you!

            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 9 December 2019 16: 55
              +3
              In my opinion, the first all the same .....
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 9 December 2019 17: 04
          +4
          No, it wasn’t before the USA. The Soviet people had a holiday. Maybe the Americans looked upwards? Ours did not look at them at all. laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 11
            +5
            Quote: Captive
            did the Americans look upwards?

            No, from the bottom up they looked when the first satellite flew. This event showed them that it was no longer possible to hide from the Soviet nuclear bludgeon anywhere, and that fellow Americans could put their plans for the atomic bombing of the USSR in one place.
            1. Fraracol_2
              Fraracol_2 9 December 2019 17: 39
              +1
              The satellite was first launched, but read, in the first half of the 60s they deployed several times more, more advanced intercontinental carriers. The solid propellant minuteman got on duty in the 62nd year, we didn’t even dream of it then.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 9 December 2019 17: 41
                0
                Quote: Fraancol_2
                The satellite was first launched, but read

                There is a feeling of impunity, and so, it has disappeared.
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    3. cost
      cost 9 December 2019 16: 31
      +2
      In accordance with contractual obligations. The contract has been concluded and must be fulfilled.

      By the way, the head of SpaceX Elon Musk called the RD-180 and RD-181 engines excellent in terms of design. "It's a shame that Boeing and Lockheed need to use a Russian engine, but the design of the engine is just great," Musk said.
      1. Fraracol_2
        Fraracol_2 9 December 2019 17: 51
        0
        All this is business and nothing personal. And all this will definitely end in the foreseeable future. They rightly decided that it is cheaper to buy so far than to produce and develop such things themselves. What is the point of repeating technology 30 years ago by ourselves, it is better to temporarily use them, and invest in the development of something much more modern. Well done.
    4. KCA
      KCA 9 December 2019 16: 50
      +5
      119 RD-180 engines at a price of ~ 15 million dollars are these units? Plus, plus deliveries of RD-181, plus a taxi to the ISS for $ 3.5 billion. We are wondering whether they will buy it or not? From the first delivery, the Americans beat themselves with a heel in the chest now, now, now, we will build our new one and the Americans will fly on American ships, but next year they are already on their knees asking "forgive us, horns", take us to the ISS
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 9 December 2019 17: 00
      +1

      That's when !!!
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    7. RUSS
      RUSS 9 December 2019 17: 35
      -3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Now we sell units of equipment and we wonder - will they buy more or not? ...

      That's for sure...
  3. prior
    prior 9 December 2019 16: 16
    -4
    In gratitude for the removal of Russian athletes from the Olympics, Russia sent a new batch of RD-181 rocket engines to the United States.
    The bottom is broken, the fall continues ....
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 9 December 2019 16: 42
      +6
      The bottom is broken, the fall continues ....
      Jammed record.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 December 2019 17: 08
      +1
      so let's not) close the factory nafig. disperse people) pay hundreds of millions of forfeit)
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 9 December 2019 17: 09
      +2
      In your opinion it was necessary to stand in the pose of the offended prima donna? There is a supply contract and there is such a thing as a reliable business partner. We live in a civilized country, but not tents on the field. sad
    4. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 9 December 2019 17: 44
      -1
      Is it really free to send? And what is the relationship in general?
  4. svp67
    svp67 9 December 2019 16: 18
    -1
    Well, yes ... "they did not find places on the Soyuz", but the engines somehow were found ... let them fly themselves
  5. Guards turn
    Guards turn 9 December 2019 16: 19
    +8
    2006: NASA is torn to the moon
    The Americans will build a permanent base on Earth’s satellite. NASA plans to create a new base by 2024. To this end, by 2020, regular flights to the Moon will be resumed on a new generation of manned research ships (PIK), which will replace the shuttles. The Americans will write off the last of the shuttles by 2010, and by 2012 the first PIC should be ready.

    The new US space shuttle will complete its first flight in 2014. True, so far without landing on the moon. But when in 2020 regular PIK flights to the moon begin, the construction of the first lunar base will begin. Tentatively, it will be erected for four years at one of the poles of the moon. Most likely, in the south, which the Sun illuminates almost constantly.
    2019: A new batch of RD-181 rocket engines shipped to the United States
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 9 December 2019 17: 12
      +1
      laughing 2050 NASA is torn to the moon. Further in the text. Make the last two digits in years replaceable.
  6. paul3390
    paul3390 9 December 2019 16: 21
    -3
    Again, the loot is a shame change? They shit at us wherever they can, and we tell them - what are you doing, sir, gentleman? What else can we serve? With souls already. Ugh .. Under the USSR, the country even had pride, and these - for bucks, they are ready to lick any part of the body to the owner ..
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 9 December 2019 16: 30
    -1
    When Putin offered Trump to buy hypersonic weapons - everyone thought he was joking ... A mosquito was a sting for three pennies ...
    This is what prestige - the United States buys rocket engines from Russia !!! fellow fellow fellow
    Where is this trampoline seller? Or is it such a "cunning plan"?
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  8. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 December 2019 16: 31
    -1
    Although the Yankees are crap all over the world and imagine themselves to be hegemons, but when it comes to really serious things, they pay money as pretty))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 December 2019 16: 47
      +2
      Well, according to RD-181, in fact, there is nothing pleasant in the future.
      Antares is a dead rocket. Now the contract is being implemented. The orbital died and was purchased by Northrop. Which first cut the draft of the new Antares (though there are also without Russian engines there). As a result, version 230+ became the last for the rocket.

      The only customer of such an expensive rocket (much more expensive than 9k, and almost at a price for the Atlas with more modest performance characteristics) is NASA and then only under the ISS supply program (Lebed-Antares). And as for the second program - they will probably be settled in favor of Lockheed-Sierra Nevada with the DreamChaser. For the DreamChaser began to lobby Lockheed to the fullest, and these would be pushed through anything wink .

      In the best case, there will be 2-3 launches per year for the ISS.
      In real - the rocket will die in 3-4 years.

      Here on Atlas (RD-180) there is a positive - there Starliner hangs on it. That is, even when a methane Vulcan displaces a rocket from cargo lines, a manned certificate will help to stay afloat.

      Although I repeat about Atlas:
      2016 - 8 launches
      2019 - 1 launch and 1 launch will be with Starliner in 11 days.


      This year US pH with Russian components - 3 units out of 25 already.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 9 December 2019 16: 52
        0
        It is clear that they should not be thrown over their hats, but in fact they still do not have much in the space industry. We will see how it will be.

        And ours launched Progress MS-13, today it docked with the ISS good
        1. Kirill Dou
          Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 16: 56
          -2
          but in fact, so far they’re not very in the space industry
          - they do not have a very "yet" only in manned flights. In everything else - military, scientific, commercial missions - they have all the rules.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 9 December 2019 16: 59
            -1
            While they are buying engines from Russia, asking to deliver astronauts and repair the space toilet, this is not normal.

            But with the Hollywood films about space, the Yankees are all tip-top))
            1. Kirill Dou
              Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 17: 04
              -3
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              While they are buying engines from Russia
              - buy only for 2 missiles - Atlas-5 and Antares. Falcons and Deltas fly normally on their own, moreover, Falcons are used most often in the world today.


              asked to deliver astronauts
              - I have already said that the Americans have a problem only with manned astronautics.

              repair space toilet
              - they ask to repair the space toilet of its manufacturer.
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 9 December 2019 17: 06
                0
                Well, just no comment, hello sect Ilona Mask))
                1. Kirill Dou
                  Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 17: 16
                  +1
                  What does the "sect" have to do with it? Will you deny the number of SpaceX rocket launches?
        2. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 9 December 2019 17: 54
          -1
          And they are Dragon. Another successful one. I think this is a more significant event in the future.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 December 2019 16: 31
    +6
    We should be proud that Russia has SUCH technologies. Which the "lamp of democracy" DOES NOT. Money goes, Energy is very much alive ... And what's wrong with that? It's bad that athletes are not being bullied for business! Well, you have to tear this WADA like a sidorov goat. Involve lawyers, file lawsuits in all courts, personally against WADA figures, recall their every word ... Engines have nothing to do with it ...
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 December 2019 16: 34
    +1
    It is a pity that the documentation for Apollo’s engines is lost (on which they flew to the Moon).
    1. Kirill Dou
      Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 16: 40
      -2
      The F-1 engines were tested in the design of the new SLS superheavy.
      1. opus
        opus 9 December 2019 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Kirill Dou
        The F-1 engines were tested in the design of the new SLS superheavy.

        no.

        gas generator only (F-1 gas generator at Marshall test stand 116.)


        and these are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES


        / do not remember more about F-1, how NASA and America forgot about it
        1. Kirill Dou
          Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 17: 35
          -8
          Let only a gas generator. They dismantled one of the remaining engines, performed a scan, recreated the documentation, and retested the gas generator.
          1. opus
            opus 9 December 2019 19: 40
            0
            Quote: Kirill Dou
            They disassembled one of the remaining engines, performed a scan, re-created the documentation, and retested the gas generator.

            don't invent
            NASA writes (brags)
            Imagine a young engineer exploring Apollo artifactwho helped send people to the first enterprise of mankind to another world. An engineer saw a rocket engine circuit. She even watched old videos about a huge Saturn V tower rocket launched to the moon. Like any curious researcher, she wants to see how it works for herself. He wonders if this old engine has "essence" (BESH WAS HE ACTUALLY) ? As a car mechanic who examines the engine of a beloved antique car, she takes apart the engine in parts and restores it.

            This is exactly what NASA's small team of young engineers did. Engineers trained in areas from rocket engine to material sciencedisassembled and repaired parts Saturn V F-1 engines - the most powerful American rocket engines ever created. Why resurrect an Apollo-era rocket engine? The answer is simple: to reveal the secrets of the F-1 - the engine that last flew before the birth of these engineers - and use it as a source of inspiration to create new, advanced and affordable propulsion systems.

            !
            The answer is simple:
            reveal the secrets of the F-1 engine

            The answer is simple:
            to mine the secrets of the F-1 - an engine that last flew before these engineers were born - and use it as inspiration for creating new advanced, affordable propulsion systems.


            it doesn’t happen, nor when.
            If he was, then no need to disclose
            See: F-1 rocket engine operating instructions (482 pages, 310mb).

            See: F-lA task assignment program (236 pages, 44mb)


            some kindergarten
            1. Kirill Dou
              Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 21: 32
              -2
              if it was, then no need to disclose
              - you understand that "revealing secrets" is a figure of speech? They reveal the "secrets" of Japanese katanas or Egyptian pyramids,
              1. opus
                opus 9 December 2019 22: 03
                0
                Quote: Kirill Dou
                - you understand that "revealing secrets" is a figure of speech?

                I don’t understand.
                I know one thing:
                - as we did not have the technology of a "light" diesel internal combustion engine, we still do not.
                -was on a Mercedes: 40% of the knowledge of empiricism, which is passed from hand to hand, is carefully stored and cultivated
                and this is not only knowledge, but also the level of technology / technology / engineering school
                GAZ-560 engine
                Organizing the production of the GAZelle at the Gorky Automobile Plant, the plant’s specialists were already thinking about how to equip these cars with a diesel engine. Extensive experiments with foreign motors, such as Perkins, Andoria (Poland), IVECO, Toyota and Steyr-Daimler-Puch led to an unexpected result for many. According to tests, the Steyr M1 diesel turned out to be the best - an engine that was not serially installed on any car in the world, but its design was actively offered by the company for sale.


                and then "forgot", "lost", "materials disappeared", "production is dismantled / sold / disassembled /
                Iyptty !!!
                Rocketdyne H-1 (Rocketdyne RS-27 / MB-3-III) junk on cotton - "flew" until 2003, and here such a super-duper "having no analogue world" died in the 1970s after ...
                what start up?
                and all poheril.
                aha
                1. Kirill Dou
                  Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 22: 35
                  -2
                  Everything can be explained very simply - after the flights to the moon and the launch of the Skylab into orbit, the F-1 was simply not needed by anyone. You see, it was a very, very, very powerful engine - still the most powerful single-chamber rocket engine in the world. And for flights to the moon, he suited very well. But only later, after the closure of the expensive lunar program, this power of it was simply nowhere to be used. It was not suitable for conventional rockets to launch cargo into Earth's orbit, both in size and due to the excess thrust. Less powerful and smaller engines were quite enough for them.

                  That is why the old, but smaller Rocketdyne H-1 was in demand further, and its super-powerful peer F-1 ordered a long life.

                  When the product ceases to be in demand, its production is dismantled and sold.

                  Here you can read in more detail why this happened. Without any conspiracy theories:
                  https://habr.com/ru/post/420587/
                  1. opus
                    opus 9 December 2019 22: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    Everything can be explained very simply - after the flights to the moon and the launch of the Skylab into orbit, the F-1 was simply not needed by anyone. You see, it was a very, very, very powerful engine - still the most powerful single-chamber rocket engine in the world.

                    Yes Yes Yes Yes. I know.
                    I know this version

                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    Here you can read in more detail why this happened. Without any conspiracy theories:
                    https://habr.com/ru/post/420587/

                    Philip Terekhov, which I can write @lozga, and I can call. Why should I read what I read?

                    Everyone has their own opinion.
                    I changed my this year, to almost the exact opposite.
                    Threat. Philip will be weak against the doctor of physical and mathematical sciences (geometry-topology, both academic degrees of Moscow State University, mech-mat) (because doctors aren’t so easily given) Dmitry Borisovich Zotieva. And he allowed mistakes and admits on the same hub not so good
                    1. Kirill Dou
                      Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 23: 02
                      -1
                      will be against the doctor of physical and mathematical sciences (geometry-topology, both academic degrees of Moscow State University, mech-mat) (because doctors are not given that easily) Dmitry Borisovich Zotieva
                      - A doctorate in one area absolutely does not mean high competence in another.

                      Yes Yes Yes Yes. I know.
                      I know this version
                      - and this version is very logical, it does not require "additional entities" like "insidious Americans who hide the truth." Try now to start anew to make the Energia rocket - you will also be surprised where most of the documentation and technological lines ended up. Because after the launch of Buran, it has not been used for 30 years. But the Soyuz launch vehicle, which is much older than Energia, has been and is being used, so the continuity of its production technologies has not been interrupted, the drawings have not been lost.

                      Everything is very simple and logical.
                      1. opus
                        opus 9 December 2019 23: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        does not mean high competence in another.

                        you know better, you read, read it

                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        Try now to start again making the Energia rocket

                        who spoke about the Energia launch vehicle?
                        bad with memory?
                        talking about "outstanding" F-1
                        1.NK-33 (11D111) / NK-33-1 = flew, fly (Antares-230,2019), made, preserved and may still fly
                        Accident October 28, 2014 (Antares-130)
                        2. RD-170 flew, fly (RD-180 / RD-181 and will fly (RD-191)
                        and ..
                        and not what

                        Quote: Pavel57
                        The documentation for Apollo’s engines is lost (on which they flew to the Moon).

                        not lost
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        Everything is very simple and logical.



                        and Saturn -V, since
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        Try to start making a rocket again now

                        for some reason it began to rust (although there is nothing to rust there). and she was urgently covered by a hangar

                        is
                      2. Kirill Dou
                        Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 23: 41
                        0
                        who spoke about the Energia launch vehicle?
                        bad with memory?
                        talking about "outstanding" F-1
                        - I gave an example of the Energia rocket as analogous to the situation with the F-1 engine. There is such a way of proving in logic - it is called an "analogy". Did not know?

                        NK-33, RD-170 and its versions 180 and 191 fly, because they turned out to be in demand after the projects for which they were developed (the lunar rocket N-1 and the super-heavy Energia, respectively). They turned out to be in demand, because the NK-33 is generally ordinary medium power engine, and power four chamber RD-170 can be reduced by simply "halving" it (in fact, RD-180 is just half of RD-170)
                        F-1 was unclaimed because it single chamber engineIts excess power cannot be reduced for its use in smaller missiles. I kind of wrote it in Russian, what is incomprehensible here?

                        Part of your message about Saturn 5, I still do not understand, some incoherent set of words.
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 00: 23
                        +2
                        Here are the places where you can see in the States
                        Saturn-5 rockets and their engines:
                        Saturn 1
                        US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL

                        SATURN 1B
                        Kennedy Space Center, FL

                        Saturn v
                        Kennedy Space Center, FL

                        Saturn v
                        US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL

                        Saturn v
                        Johnson Space Center, NASA, Houston, TX

                        F-1 ENGINES
                        National Air and Space Museum, Washington, DC
                        US Space and Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL
                        NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX
                        Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum (Air Zoo), Kalamazoo, MI
                        New Mexico Museum of Space History, Alamogordo, NM
                        Powerhouse Museum, Sydney, Australia
                        NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL
                      4. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 09: 59
                        -4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        where in the States you can see
                        Saturn-5 rockets and their engines:

                        Yeah
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        SATURN 1

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        SATURN 1B

                        no, thanks. Why do I need Saturn -1? (I do not really need 5)
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        SATURN V Kennedy Space Center, FL


                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        SATURN V US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL


                        Displayed outdoors and on its side since 1969, the rocket has been exhibiting widespread paint failure, moisture infiltration, an overall accumulation of atmospheric and biological soiling, and corrosion of its complex system of metal alloys, including aluminum.

                        Paint coatings and loose corrosion products were removed using high pressure waterjets (> 25,000 psig). More fragile materials were stripped of coatings using chemical gels

                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Saturn V Johnson Space Center, NASA, Houston, TX


                        Did you even read what I wrote?
                        Quote: opus
                        somehow began to rust (although there is nothing to rust)


                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        F-1 ENGINES

                        all the more. Why me?
                        and why so little? wrongly think!
                      5. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 11: 32
                        +1
                        "(although there is nothing to rust there)" ////
                        ---
                        I'm starting to understand - conspiracy. bully
                        "the king is not real!"
                        Say "a", say "b":
                        The engine is not real, the rocket is not real ...
                        And the Americans did not fly to the moon on such a fake rocket.
                      6. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 12: 17
                        -4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And the Americans did not fly to the moon on such a fake rocket.

                        I did not say that.
                        But

                        and that's not the point ("rust")
                        Most of all pinned me:
                        Bush and Constellation, Review of US Human Space Flight Plans Committee and Norman Augustine.
                        Entertaining reading: report for the senate.
                        NASA was not able to answer and give any data: neither by belt, nor by TK, nor by the moon.
                        SO IT DOESN’T HAPPEN

                        10 00 000 000, 00 $ if I am not mistaken bye-bye
                      7. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 12: 22
                        0
                        "I did not say that."////
                        ---
                        There is no halfway. Or flew, or not.
                      8. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 13: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        There is no halfway. Or flew, or not.

                        there are more ways:
                        - fly to the wrong place, which is divided into 3 options:
                        - jump over the Pocket line
                        - fly around our planet
                        - go around the target without landing
                        - fly less (substantially) there, let's say once, having finalized everything that needs to be finalized
                        -can not fly, they are such funny manipulators, and how many times they came across
                        The total declared time the Americans were on the moon was about 5 thousand minutes, and they brought nearly 6 thousand photos.

                        6000/5000 = 1,2 photos per minute (if exactly 0,83 photos per minute = every 50 seconds)
                        The North American Space Agency (NASA) first posted on the Internet photos of the lunar program "Apollo" in high resolution.

                        and not so

                        as well

                        WITHOUT a viewfinder (on the lunar modification of Hasselblad cameras it is deleted)
                        in gloves and in spacesuits, at 1/6 of earth's gravity, in vacuum, after many days of flight in zero gravity, in a cramped chest, with diapers on the priests ....
                        photo in excess of perfect quality

                        1 photo every 50 sec. (this is not considered spoiled- which no one has seen !!!)
                        if Th then Hasselblad is not digital
                        cuties, spacesuit, reduced st, vacuum does not interfere much
                      9. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 13: 33
                        +2
                        Clear. Did not fly.
                        Welcome to the conspiracy club!
                        It’s sad, to be honest. sad
                      10. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 13: 34
                        -4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Clear. Did not fly.

                        I did not say that.
                        about the photo every 50 sec = spoke
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Welcome to the

                        nor
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        It’s sad, to be honest.

                        a man flies to the moon, I hope in the next 10-15 years, it will be more fun.
                        It’s a pity that not ours will be there
                      11. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 13: 37
                        +2
                        "a man flies to the moon, I hope in the next 10-15 years" ////
                        -----
                        This is also declared fake. Those who did not fly. You can not even doubt it.
                        LRO has been flying over the Moon for many years.
                        And fotka everything. He found all Soviet lunar stations, both lunar rovers, all Apollo sites, all the wreckage of old and new crashed probes.
                        But does it help?
                        Conspirologists do not care. fellow
                      12. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 14: 00
                        -4
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And fotka everything. He found everything

                        let it fly
                        there (on nasa site)

                        really dofigishchi photo, already cuts the eyes

                        do not get a live picture
                        processed yes.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        all Apollo parking

                        Show.
                        I do not need the wreckage of the probes, the rovers too
                      13. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 10 December 2019 14: 04
                        0
                        "Show"////
                        ----
                        Enough. You are a 100% classic conspiracy theorist. hi
                      14. opus
                        opus 10 December 2019 17: 30
                        -3
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        You are a 100% classic conspiracy theorist.

                        generally past the gate:
                        I am not a supporter of the "lunar conspiracy" theory
                        but not stupid americophil, nasafil.
                        It is interesting for me to read their skirmishes, almost like at the institute. The supporters of the "lunar conspiracy" theory are much more original than the nasafils, and they are often put on both shoulder blades.
                        Here you are not a single bewilderment, not even someone else's refutation.
                        This is indicative: nasafil, or there is americafil
                      15. valeryb
                        valeryb 10 December 2019 22: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: opus
                        I am not a supporter of the "lunar conspiracy" theory
                        Here is the imine, nichto nowhere is lital. neither to the moon, nor to the sky. And Gagarin did not fly. There is a crystal dome tama as the earth ends on the sides.
                      16. opus
                        opus 11 December 2019 00: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: valeryb
                        There is a crystal dome tama as the earth ends on the sides.

                        everyone believes in the measure of their mental abilities and the education given by parents and country
            2. Kirill Dou
              Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 21: 38
              -4
              He wonders if this old engine has an "essence" (BUT IT WAS REALLY)?
              - what is written in brackets and caps - was it written so on the NASA website or is it your insert?
              1. opus
                opus 9 December 2019 21: 48
                -1
                Quote: Kirill Dou
                it was so written on the NASA website or

                I indicated everything!

                fool
                poke, look, read, translate (to the best of potency)
                if it’s difficult here
                https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/f1_sls.html
                in MY brackets, they have Juice- juice (well you want so, so) ,

                or essence
                here / there everything
                want this translation:
                They wonder does this old engine have "juice"?

                well use
                Что бы не обижались и не нарваться на безграмотного модератора
                Potency is (lat. Potentia - force) - in the general sense, the presence of forces for any action.
                / not thatwhat you he (moderator) thought /
                1. Kirill Dou
                  Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 22: 54
                  -3
                  The expression "Juice" means not only "essence", but also "force, energy, traction". And then the translation of the phrase will sound like" She wonders if this old engine still has "power"? "Something like" Does this old engine still have "powder in the powder flasks"?

                  Here. And no "entities" and "did he really exist" need to be invented, everything is easier to explain. Did you really decide that NASA, who supposedly decided to lie to the whole world, would be so fired up in an open article?

                  In the Russian language there is also an expression similar in meaning "the most juice" (perhaps it came just from the West).
                  You can read about the meaning of the word juice here: https: //top_english.academic.ru/45063/juice
                  1. opus
                    opus 9 December 2019 23: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    means not only "essence",

                    the key here is "not only"
                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    no need to invent, everything is explained more simply.

                    Yes Yes.
                    Right! No need to THINK
                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.

                    Quote: Kirill Dou
                    You can read about the meaning of the word juice

                    not worth it
                    I’m better to read Genadiy Ivchenkov. It will be more interesting, and more useful
                    1. Kirill Dou
                      Kirill Dou 9 December 2019 23: 19
                      -3
                      the key here is "not only"
                      - right, not only. Here are just some of the meanings give a clear and logical picture, and other meanings - illogical and fuzzy. Your meaning is just the second.

                      not worth it
                      - Yes, actually.

                      I’m better to read Genadiy Ivchenkov.
                      - is this the same Ivchenkov who openly calls Einstein's theory of relativity "pseudoscientific"? Well, read on. read)) It would be better, however, real experts like Feoktistov and Chertok were revered, but since you like "Fomenko from Physics" Ivchenkov - ok, God be with you))
                      1. opus
                        opus 9 December 2019 23: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        Here are just some of the meanings give a clear and logical picture.

                        what is it that you are attached to my measure of water, which is not a lie, but has the right to exist?
                        This is ORDER better than stupidly lying like you
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.

                        and then immediately reverse
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        Let only gas generator.

                        ?
                        if CHE, then the gas generator is (red):

                        and black is a carburetor, mysterious, the rest, in general, F-1, which supposedly
                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.


                        Quote: Kirill Dou
                        It would be better, however, real experts

                        Why should I read them? if I read Chertok for almost 6 years while studying?
                        Konstantin Petrovich, although he taught at my alma mater, is not my specialty (I was not a former "faculty of thermal and hydraulic machines" / then I graduated from E-2) ... what should I read it about?
                        and he did not write about the Moon and F-1 and Saturn-5, and he could not write, not this thing
                      2. Kirill Dou
                        Kirill Dou 10 December 2019 00: 05
                        -2
                        what is it that you are attached to my measure of water, which is not a lie, but has the right to exist? - because your translation of the word juice, although true in itself, distorts the meaning of the whole sentence.

                        This is ORDER better than stupidly lying like you
                        “I admit that I made a mistake.” Which does not justify your distortion of the above phrase.

                        and he did not write about the Moon and F-1 and Saturn-5, and he could not write, not this thing
                        - yah? Cosmonaut and spaceship designer Konstantin Feoktistov spoke out in his book “The trajectory of life. Between Yesterday and Tomorrow ”about a possible flight simulation:“ When Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins flew to the Moon, our radio receivers received signals from the Apollo 11, conversations, a television picture about the surface of the Moon. Arranging such a hoax is probably no less difficult than a real expedition. To do this, it would be necessary to land a television repeater on the lunar surface in advance and test its operation (with transmission to Earth) again in advance. And in the days of the expedition simulation, it was necessary to send a radio relay to the moon to simulate the Apollo radio communication with the Earth on the flight path to the moon. And they did not hide the scale of work on Apollo. And what they showed me in Houston in 1969 (Control Center, stands, laboratories), the Los Angeles manufacturing plants of the Apollo ships and the descent vehicles that returned to Earth should have been an imitation according to this logic ?! Too complicated and too funny. ”

                        Why should I read them? if I read Chertok for almost 6 years while studying?
                        - it means that somehow you read it in the wrong place while studying. We look at the contents of his book "Rockets and People":

                        Chapter 2. The lunar program of the USA

                        Chapter 3. The lunar program H1-L3 under the Queen

                        Chapter 4. Difficult conversation with the Royal

                        Chapter 5. Management H1-L3

                        Chapter 6. Lagging, but not surrendering


                        You can see it here: http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/index.html

                        Further, Chertok's quote from the same book: "In the USA, three years after the astronauts landed on the moon, a book was published, which stated that there was no flight to the moon ... The author and publisher made good money on deliberate lies."

                        But I understand that Ivchenkov, the Great Overthrower of the "pseudo-scientific Theory of Relativity, the half-educated Einstein" laughing
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 9 December 2019 17: 16
      -1
      Maybe among the papers of Hollywood screenwriters lost? what
  11. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 9 December 2019 16: 51
    +2
    Finally, I realized what an asymmetric answer is!
  12. 1536
    1536 9 December 2019 17: 07
    -3
    As far as I understand, these engines are produced in Russia, but the right to use them was acquired by General Deinemics, and the engines themselves are produced jointly with the American company Pratt & Whitney, a well-known company in the world engine building. The joint venture is called RD-Amros JV. The patent rights belonged to our NPO Energomash, so the Americans could not just steal the technology of engine production. However, these patents expired in November 2019.
    Since 2014, the conclusion of new contracts for the supply and production of engines has been discontinued, and today they are going to the States, apparently under an old contract. And they do not conclude new contracts for the production and development of new engines in connection with the lawsuit won by E. Mask SpaceX, which decided to produce the engines itself and supply them to NASA and for the needs of the Pentagon.
    So, anything can do here, but the echoes of the 1990s (read the illiterate management of production and science) still ring out over Russia. Therefore, the Americans with full confidence speak of the decline of Russian cosmonautics, and even its complete degradation. Indeed, the conclusion suggests itself: Musk will repeat these engines at a higher technical level, using ready-made solutions, the rights to use of which have expired in Russia, and remove competitors from Russia from the space technology market. Common capitalism is when you don’t have to ruin your country.
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 9 December 2019 17: 58
      -2
      You write everything correctly, but 90 years have passed since the 20s.
      1. 1536
        1536 9 December 2019 19: 18
        0
        The 90s is not time, it is a state of a country made at one moment a territory, and a people turned into an electorate, ordinary people or consumers. On the territory there is no need for a flag, coat of arms, an anthem can be made from any music, science, education, patent law, etc. attributes of a developed society are not needed.
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 December 2019 17: 16
    -6
    Antiresno, and what will our trampoline creators sing when the need for mattresses in our engines disappears?
  14. Sniper
    Sniper 9 December 2019 18: 58
    +5
    survived .. we are their engines! and they show us "sanction figwams"
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 9 December 2019 19: 02
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Starover_Z
    despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!

    But do we need from them, in general, something vitally important?

    Many things. But to us (unlike China, for example), under the current ruling elite, the United States will never be sold. The list is long.
    Yes, we somehow get out of the situation, develop it ourselves, buy through the tenths, but the situation is just that.
  16. Lontus
    Lontus 9 December 2019 19: 27
    +1
    The discussion is part of a false dilemma:
    Sell ​​on old contracts or not sell?

    In fact, in the face of impudent sanctions, the right decision:

    sell, but much more expensive !!

    Sanctions are a force majeure - old contracts under the conditions of sanctions lose their force, so the price can and should be increased.
    1. slipped
      slipped 10 December 2019 03: 50
      +2
      Quote: Lontus
      sell, but much more expensive !!


      So at exorbitant prices are sold laughing And it’s so expensive for them that they don’t want to launch their rockets and astronauts either.

      For comparison, at the beginning of the decade, the same RD-180s cost them ~ $ 9 million apiece.
      Today ~ $ 15 million. A week-long flight of a spaceflight participant (that is, a tourist) last year cost Roscosmos ~ $ 20 million, this is more than $ 40 million, and NASA astronauts and Europeans flying at their quota with the Japanese and other Canadians at the expense of NASA pay more than $ 70 million for a place .
  17. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 9 December 2019 21: 49
    -2
    And after that, there are complaints against Bulgaria. They dodged it all right, but why should others blaspheme with their own precepts?
  18. Kazbek
    Kazbek 10 December 2019 19: 40
    +1
    Engine engine room!