A new batch of rocket engines RD-181 sent to the United States

The Russian NPO Energomash is transferring the second batch of four RD-181 rocket engines this year to the customer - the American company Orbital Sciences Corporation, the enterprise’s website reports.

On December 6, representatives of the American company Orbital Sciences Corporation signed forms for the next batch of four RD-181 commodity engines. Within three days prior to the transfer of the engines, representatives of the customer company conducted their external inspection, inspection of spare parts, tools and accessories, as well as supporting documentation

- said in a note to the press service.

The RD-181 liquid engine was developed and manufactured by NPO Energomash, and is delivered to the USA under a contract concluded in December 2014. The engine is designed to be installed on the first stage of the American Antares missiles.

At the same time, as part of the replacement of Russian products, the American private company Blue Origin is promoting the new BE-4 engine as an alternative. Her competitor, Aerojet Rocketdyne is testing the AR1 engine. However, it is expected that both new products will be fully operational only by the middle of the 2020-s, and will be used on new generation launch vehicles.

Comments

[Vladimir61]

Yes, you scho! But what about sanctions against Russia? But what about the prestige of the most high-tech country?
They are already jumping to / in Ukraine - Zrada!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vladimir61

But what about sanctions against Russia?

Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.
Read about moving Sea Launch.
In science, too, an information exchange takes place between scientists, but this is not the state level, of course, but communication between people who are passionate about their business and have a bolt on politics, which is why some periodically fly over the article.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Gray Brother

Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.

Yeah ... out of politics!

NATO has recognized space as one of its fields of activity, said Secretary General of the Alliance Jens Stoltenberg.
“I am proud of NATO’s historic decision to recognize outer space as a working area along with air, land, sea and cyberspace”

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vladimir61

Yeah ... out of politics!

What is NATO’s space agency?
You do not confuse the warm with the soft - leave the military to the military.

[dorz]

To paraphrase a film - if the engines are not sold, they will turn off the gas.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gray Brother

Space exploration issues are being addressed implicitly and out of politics,

Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lipchanin

Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"

Sport is a confrontation. There has never been any interaction there.
If we are squeezed out of him by political methods, then they understand that we are stronger and honestly they cannot win.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gray Brother

There has never been any interaction there.

Was it in space exploration? Just don't talk about Soyuz-Apollo. Purely PR action.

If we are squeezed out of him by political methods, then they understand that we are stronger and honestly they cannot win.

But are they not squeezing out sanctions from the markets?
Now ALL politics. There is no sphere where she did not fit

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lipchanin

Was there space exploration?

ISS.
Joint project of the lunar station.
Russian equipment stands on American Mars rovers - it searches for water.
This is just what I can call offhand.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gray Brother

ISS.

Only in the American segment we are denied access

Russian equipment stands on American Mars rovers - it searches for water.

So this is not a joint project.

This is just what I can call offhand.

And I will say offhand, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS in ALL areas.
And I can’t say at random something where sanctions have not been imposed on us

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lipchanin

SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS in ALL areas.

Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning.

Quote: Lipchanin

So this is not a joint project.

But this is an interaction.

Quote: Lipchanin

Only in the American segment we are denied access

Interesting. Did not know. Do you deign to provide proof?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Gray Brother

Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning.

But Bulgakov has nothing to do with it.

But this is an interaction.

But Americans will use the results of the project

Interesting. Did not know.

А зря.

Do you deign to provide proof?

Google to the rescue

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lipchanin

Google to the rescue

I tried it - it does not help.

[eklmn]

Joint venture. But all rights belong to Pratt & Whitney.
“The Russian company Energomash develops and manufactures liquid fuel rocket engines. Produces the RD-180 engine in Khimki, near Moscow. It was purchased and delivered to the USA by a joint venture between Pratt & Whitney and NPO Energomash, established in 1997 by RD AMROSS.

[slipped]

Quote: eklmn

Joint venture. But all rights belong to Pratt & Whitney.

No. The RD-181 engine has nothing to do with Pratt & Whitney.

[slipped]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Lipchanin

Google to the rescue

I tried it - it does not help.

and even it’s not worth trying - a man lied and didn’t answer for his words by pretending to be a hose

[Den717]

Quote: Lipchanin

Duc and sport was kind of "out of politics"

Do not mislead people. Sport has always been an integral part of politics.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Gray Brother

Space exploration issues are resolved implicitly and out of politics, because this is the kind of thing that everyone needs.

No, no! In this case, this is just what the States need! In 2014, after the transition of Crimea under the jurisdiction of Russia, a mountain of sanctions against Russia was included and then it turns out

The RD-181 liquid engine is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash, supplied to the USA. under a contract concluded in December 2014.

despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!
Since they need something, then this is business, nothing personal, but if something bothers them - Here are the sanctions!
Two-faced hyenas !!!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Starover_Z

despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!

But do we need from them, in general, something vitally important?

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Gray Brother

Do we really need anything vital from them?

At least technology for the production of electronic components!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Starover_Z

At least technology for the production of electronic components!

We have our own. "Angstrem", I know, deals with such things.
In general, the British are in the lead in this area, and about imported technologies - whoever was the first licensed production in Russia to open, sneakers. And whoever loves the flash - let him cuddle for free with his sanctions)))

[Voyager]

When will our sanctions be? That is the question.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

When will our sanctions be?

And what's the point of them? It’s we who receive money from them, but not from us.

[Voyager]

And if evil spirits will offer to sell for money?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

And if evil spirits will offer to sell for money?

Agree, conclude a contract, but only on the condition that you announce the price later, without specifying specific dates.
Then she will have to guard you forever.

[Non liberoid Russian]

sanctions to steal your company that has lost its market?

[Voyager]

It’s already rapidly losing market, it’s not long and the Americans will have not just one replacement, but several.

[Non liberoid Russian]

when it will be then we’ll see ... though it will be going on for many years ... and you are talking nonsense at the expense of the sales market - as volumes were and remain, plus or minus

[Voyager]

Really? In 2012-13, more than 20 launches of American rocket carriers on our engines were made. This is more than 50% of the total number of US launches. Since then, every year the share of our engines has been declining, and in the last 2 years, only 7 launches on our engines. This is 24% and 21% for 2017 and 2018, respectively.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

not long left and the Americans will not even have one replacement, but several.

Well, the flag in their hands.

[Voyager]

I’m talking about this, with such a pace they will have a flag very soon. In recent years, we have had a counter-pressure tool in the form of retaliatory sanctions, but we have systematically missed this opportunity.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

we had a counter-pressure tool in the form of retaliatory sanctions,

Did not have. They would develop their engines faster, and we would lose money, that's all.
By the way, they flew to the moon on something, they say - where did they do it?

[Voyager]

You can’t just take it and develop the engine several times faster than usual just because of the impetus, that's the point And as for the Saturns and their cancellation, there are too many rumors and 0 specifics. Someone says that production and service are too expensive in the absence of requests for such power. Someone says that in the process of closing the program, documentation, specialists, etc., were lost, although little is believed in this.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

experts

They are not immortal.
I won’t tell you for the documentation, but production at the level of technological chains could easily be cheated.
Dap there - 24 "Merlin" in one pod going to shove? N-1 in American)))

[Gray brother]

Quote: Voyager

You can’t just take it and develop the engine several times faster than usual just because of the impetus

This is a resource allocation issue. No one will devote resources to what is already available, only with mother-of-pearl buttons.

[nikolai.kolya]

so already fighting with cheese and jamon .... still want to fight with the pills?

[Voyager]

Our government will not go for a massive ban on pills. Their authorities, too, because it will hit the image badly.

[RUSS]

Quote: Vladimir61

Yes, you scho! But what about sanctions against Russia? But what about the prestige of the most high-tech country?
They are already jumping to / in Ukraine - Zrada!

The question is another reason why these engines did not fall into retaliatory sanctions? And then the American power turbines Vectra 40G manufactured by Dresser-Rand can not be imported into Russia from the sanction, and our rocket engines in the USA please.

[Vladislav_2]

So all the rights to manufacture belong entirely to the mattresses, it’s not sad to be aware of it .... when our NGO survived, it just sold the technology to them for the loot ... and we are paid only for the fact that nothing comes of it ... and therefore we collect them at home

[The leader of the Redskins]

Glimpses of the past ... But there were times when they looked down on America ... Then, on an equal footing ... Now we sell pieces of equipment and we wonder if they will buy it or not? ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But there were times when they looked down on America ...

Not when and no one, from those who are engaged in rocket science, did not look down upon America as a competitor and adversary, but equal

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Now we sell units of equipment and we wonder - will they buy more or not? ...

Guessing ????? And on what?

[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, it was not we who launched the first satellite, Gagarin ?! Not Yuri Alekseevich made the whole world a standing ovation and paper was thrown from all windows of skyscrapers ?! Well, what kind of Dee are you ... First, that means FIRST!

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

First, it means FIRST!

You confuse a lot. Yes, in many ways we were the first, but in the competition. And they competed with a worthy opponent, who also had a lot to learn from.

[Kirill Dou]

First, but really no one looked down on the Americans.

[vitvit123]

And when they looked at America from high?

[Alex Nevs]

When they "promoted" democracy under the wings of airplanes.

[vitvit123]

Foggy ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: vitvit123

Foggy ...

Beep-beep, beep and planes are no longer quoted.

[Gray brother]

Quote: vitvit123

And when they looked at America from high?

Dragging something I can name the exact date: April 12, 1961.

[vitvit123]

Sorry, but your smiley speaks for you!

[Gray brother]

Quote: vitvit123

Sorry, but your smiley speaks for you!

[vitvit123]

In my opinion, the first all the same .....

[Prisoner]

No, it wasn’t before the USA. The Soviet people had a holiday. Maybe the Americans looked upwards? Ours did not look at them at all.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Captive

did the Americans look upwards?

No, from the bottom up they looked when the first satellite flew. This event showed them that it was no longer possible to hide from the Soviet nuclear bludgeon anywhere, and that fellow Americans could put their plans for the atomic bombing of the USSR in one place.

[Fraracol_2]

The satellite was first launched, but read, in the first half of the 60s they deployed several times more, more advanced intercontinental carriers. The solid propellant minuteman got on duty in the 62nd year, we didn’t even dream of it then.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Fraancol_2

The satellite was first launched, but read

There is a feeling of impunity, and so, it has disappeared.

[cost]

In accordance with contractual obligations. The contract has been concluded and must be fulfilled.

By the way, the head of SpaceX Elon Musk called the RD-180 and RD-181 engines excellent in terms of design. "It's a shame that Boeing and Lockheed need to use a Russian engine, but the design of the engine is just great," Musk said.

[Fraracol_2]

All this is business and nothing personal. And all this will definitely end in the foreseeable future. They rightly decided that it is cheaper to buy so far than to produce and develop such things themselves. What is the point of repeating technology 30 years ago by ourselves, it is better to temporarily use them, and invest in the development of something much more modern. Well done.

[KCA]

119 RD-180 engines at a price of ~ 15 million dollars are these units? Plus, plus deliveries of RD-181, plus a taxi to the ISS for $ 3.5 billion. We are wondering whether they will buy it or not? From the first delivery, the Americans beat themselves with a heel in the chest now, now, now, we will build our new one and the Americans will fly on American ships, but next year they are already on their knees asking "forgive us, horns", take us to the ISS

[The leader of the Redskins]

That's when !!!

[RUSS]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Now we sell units of equipment and we wonder - will they buy more or not? ...

That's for sure...

[prior]

In gratitude for the removal of Russian athletes from the Olympics, Russia sent a new batch of RD-181 rocket engines to the United States.
The bottom is broken, the fall continues ....

[Pavel57]

The bottom is broken, the fall continues ....
Jammed record.

[carstorm 11]

so let's not) close the factory nafig. disperse people) pay hundreds of millions of forfeit)

[Prisoner]

In your opinion it was necessary to stand in the pose of the offended prima donna? There is a supply contract and there is such a thing as a reliable business partner. We live in a civilized country, but not tents on the field.

[Fraracol_2]

Is it really free to send? And what is the relationship in general?

[svp67]

Well, yes ... "they did not find places on the Soyuz", but the engines somehow were found ... let them fly themselves

[Guards turn]

2006: NASA is torn to the moon
The Americans will build a permanent base on Earth’s satellite. NASA plans to create a new base by 2024. To this end, by 2020, regular flights to the Moon will be resumed on a new generation of manned research ships (PIK), which will replace the shuttles. The Americans will write off the last of the shuttles by 2010, and by 2012 the first PIC should be ready.

The new US space shuttle will complete its first flight in 2014. True, so far without landing on the moon. But when in 2020 regular PIK flights to the moon begin, the construction of the first lunar base will begin. Tentatively, it will be erected for four years at one of the poles of the moon. Most likely, in the south, which the Sun illuminates almost constantly.
2019: A new batch of RD-181 rocket engines shipped to the United States

[Prisoner]

2050 NASA is torn to the moon. Further in the text. Make the last two digits in years replaceable.

[paul3390]

Again, the loot is a shame change? They shit at us wherever they can, and we tell them - what are you doing, sir, gentleman? What else can we serve? With souls already. Ugh .. Under the USSR, the country even had pride, and these - for bucks, they are ready to lick any part of the body to the owner ..

[Ross xnumx]

When Putin offered Trump to buy hypersonic weapons - everyone thought he was joking ... A mosquito was a sting for three pennies ...
This is what prestige - the United States buys rocket engines from Russia !!!
Where is this trampoline seller? Or is it such a "cunning plan"?

[Lord of the Sith]

Although the Yankees are crap all over the world and imagine themselves to be hegemons, but when it comes to really serious things, they pay money as pretty))

[donavi49]

Well, according to RD-181, in fact, there is nothing pleasant in the future.
Antares is a dead rocket. Now the contract is being implemented. The orbital died and was purchased by Northrop. Which first cut the draft of the new Antares (though there are also without Russian engines there). As a result, version 230+ became the last for the rocket.

The only customer of such an expensive rocket (much more expensive than 9k, and almost at a price for the Atlas with more modest performance characteristics) is NASA and then only under the ISS supply program (Lebed-Antares). And as for the second program - they will probably be settled in favor of Lockheed-Sierra Nevada with the DreamChaser. For the DreamChaser began to lobby Lockheed to the fullest, and these would be pushed through anything .

In the best case, there will be 2-3 launches per year for the ISS.
In real - the rocket will die in 3-4 years.

Here on Atlas (RD-180) there is a positive - there Starliner hangs on it. That is, even when a methane Vulcan displaces a rocket from cargo lines, a manned certificate will help to stay afloat.

Although I repeat about Atlas:
2016 - 8 launches
2019 - 1 launch and 1 launch will be with Starliner in 11 days.

This year US pH with Russian components - 3 units out of 25 already.

[Lord of the Sith]

It is clear that they should not be thrown over their hats, but in fact they still do not have much in the space industry. We will see how it will be.

And ours launched Progress MS-13, today it docked with the ISS

[Kirill Dou]

but in fact, so far they’re not very in the space industry

- they do not have a very "yet" only in manned flights. In everything else - military, scientific, commercial missions - they have all the rules.

[Lord of the Sith]

While they are buying engines from Russia, asking to deliver astronauts and repair the space toilet, this is not normal.

But with the Hollywood films about space, the Yankees are all tip-top))

[Kirill Dou]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

While they are buying engines from Russia

- buy only for 2 missiles - Atlas-5 and Antares. Falcons and Deltas fly normally on their own, moreover, Falcons are used most often in the world today.

asked to deliver astronauts

- I have already said that the Americans have a problem only with manned astronautics.

repair space toilet

- they ask to repair the space toilet of its manufacturer.

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, just no comment, hello sect Ilona Mask))

[Kirill Dou]

What does the "sect" have to do with it? Will you deny the number of SpaceX rocket launches?

[Fraracol_2]

And they are Dragon. Another successful one. I think this is a more significant event in the future.

[Mountain shooter]

We should be proud that Russia has SUCH technologies. Which the "lamp of democracy" DOES NOT. Money goes, Energy is very much alive ... And what's wrong with that? It's bad that athletes are not being bullied for business! Well, you have to tear this WADA like a sidorov goat. Involve lawyers, file lawsuits in all courts, personally against WADA figures, recall their every word ... Engines have nothing to do with it ...

[Pavel57]

It is a pity that the documentation for Apollo’s engines is lost (on which they flew to the Moon).

[Kirill Dou]

The F-1 engines were tested in the design of the new SLS superheavy.

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

The F-1 engines were tested in the design of the new SLS superheavy.

no.

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gas generator only (F-1 gas generator at Marshall test stand 116.)

and these are TWO BIG DIFFERENCES


/ do not remember more about F-1, how NASA and America forgot about it

[Kirill Dou]

Let only a gas generator. They dismantled one of the remaining engines, performed a scan, recreated the documentation, and retested the gas generator.

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

They disassembled one of the remaining engines, performed a scan, re-created the documentation, and retested the gas generator.

don't invent
NASA writes (brags)

Imagine a young engineer exploring Apollo artifactwho helped send people to the first enterprise of mankind to another world. An engineer saw a rocket engine circuit. She even watched old videos about a huge Saturn V tower rocket launched to the moon. Like any curious researcher, she wants to see how it works for herself. He wonders if this old engine has "essence" (BESH WAS HE ACTUALLY) ? As a car mechanic who examines the engine of a beloved antique car, she takes apart the engine in parts and restores it.

This is exactly what NASA's small team of young engineers did. Engineers trained in areas from rocket engine to material sciencedisassembled and repaired parts Saturn V F-1 engines - the most powerful American rocket engines ever created. Why resurrect an Apollo-era rocket engine? The answer is simple: to reveal the secrets of the F-1 - the engine that last flew before the birth of these engineers - and use it as a source of inspiration to create new, advanced and affordable propulsion systems.

!
The answer is simple:

reveal the secrets of the F-1 engine

The answer is simple:

to mine the secrets of the F-1 - an engine that last flew before these engineers were born - and use it as inspiration for creating new advanced, affordable propulsion systems.

it doesn’t happen, nor when.
If he was, then no need to disclose
See: F-1 rocket engine operating instructions (482 pages, 310mb).

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See: F-lA task assignment program (236 pages, 44mb)

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some kindergarten

[Kirill Dou]

if it was, then no need to disclose

- you understand that "revealing secrets" is a figure of speech? They reveal the "secrets" of Japanese katanas or Egyptian pyramids,

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

- you understand that "revealing secrets" is a figure of speech?

I don’t understand.
I know one thing:
- as we did not have the technology of a "light" diesel internal combustion engine, we still do not.
-was on a Mercedes: 40% of the knowledge of empiricism, which is passed from hand to hand, is carefully stored and cultivated
and this is not only knowledge, but also the level of technology / technology / engineering school
GAZ-560 engine

Organizing the production of the GAZelle at the Gorky Automobile Plant, the plant’s specialists were already thinking about how to equip these cars with a diesel engine. Extensive experiments with foreign motors, such as Perkins, Andoria (Poland), IVECO, Toyota and Steyr-Daimler-Puch led to an unexpected result for many. According to tests, the Steyr M1 diesel turned out to be the best - an engine that was not serially installed on any car in the world, but its design was actively offered by the company for sale.

and then "forgot", "lost", "materials disappeared", "production is dismantled / sold / disassembled /
Iyptty !!!
Rocketdyne H-1 (Rocketdyne RS-27 / MB-3-III) junk on cotton - "flew" until 2003, and here such a super-duper "having no analogue world" died in the 1970s after ...
what start up?
and all poheril.
aha

[Kirill Dou]

Everything can be explained very simply - after the flights to the moon and the launch of the Skylab into orbit, the F-1 was simply not needed by anyone. You see, it was a very, very, very powerful engine - still the most powerful single-chamber rocket engine in the world. And for flights to the moon, he suited very well. But only later, after the closure of the expensive lunar program, this power of it was simply nowhere to be used. It was not suitable for conventional rockets to launch cargo into Earth's orbit, both in size and due to the excess thrust. Less powerful and smaller engines were quite enough for them.

That is why the old, but smaller Rocketdyne H-1 was in demand further, and its super-powerful peer F-1 ordered a long life.

When the product ceases to be in demand, its production is dismantled and sold.

Here you can read in more detail why this happened. Without any conspiracy theories:
https://habr.com/ru/post/420587/

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Everything can be explained very simply - after the flights to the moon and the launch of the Skylab into orbit, the F-1 was simply not needed by anyone. You see, it was a very, very, very powerful engine - still the most powerful single-chamber rocket engine in the world.

Yes Yes Yes Yes. I know.
I know this version

Quote: Kirill Dou

Here you can read in more detail why this happened. Without any conspiracy theories:
https://habr.com/ru/post/420587/

Philip Terekhov, which I can write @lozga, and I can call. Why should I read what I read?

Everyone has their own opinion.
I changed my this year, to almost the exact opposite.
Threat. Philip will be weak against the doctor of physical and mathematical sciences (geometry-topology, both academic degrees of Moscow State University, mech-mat) (because doctors aren’t so easily given) Dmitry Borisovich Zotieva. And he allowed mistakes and admits on the same hub not so good

[Kirill Dou]

will be against the doctor of physical and mathematical sciences (geometry-topology, both academic degrees of Moscow State University, mech-mat) (because doctors are not given that easily) Dmitry Borisovich Zotieva

- A doctorate in one area absolutely does not mean high competence in another.

Yes Yes Yes Yes. I know.
I know this version

- and this version is very logical, it does not require "additional entities" like "insidious Americans who hide the truth." Try now to start anew to make the Energia rocket - you will also be surprised where most of the documentation and technological lines ended up. Because after the launch of Buran, it has not been used for 30 years. But the Soyuz launch vehicle, which is much older than Energia, has been and is being used, so the continuity of its production technologies has not been interrupted, the drawings have not been lost.

Everything is very simple and logical.

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

does not mean high competence in another.

you know better, you read, read it

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Quote: Kirill Dou

Try now to start again making the Energia rocket

who spoke about the Energia launch vehicle?
bad with memory?
talking about "outstanding" F-1
1.NK-33 (11D111) / NK-33-1 = flew, fly (Antares-230,2019), made, preserved and may still fly
Accident October 28, 2014 (Antares-130)
2. RD-170 flew, fly (RD-180 / RD-181 and will fly (RD-191)
and ..
and not what

Quote: Pavel57

The documentation for Apollo’s engines is lost (on which they flew to the Moon).

not lost

Quote: Kirill Dou

Everything is very simple and logical.

and Saturn -V, since

Quote: Kirill Dou

Try to start making a rocket again now

for some reason it began to rust (although there is nothing to rust there). and she was urgently covered by a hangar

is

[Kirill Dou]

who spoke about the Energia launch vehicle?
bad with memory?
talking about "outstanding" F-1

- I gave an example of the Energia rocket as analogous to the situation with the F-1 engine. There is such a way of proving in logic - it is called an "analogy". Did not know?

NK-33, RD-170 and its versions 180 and 191 fly, because they turned out to be in demand after the projects for which they were developed (the lunar rocket N-1 and the super-heavy Energia, respectively). They turned out to be in demand, because the NK-33 is generally ordinary medium power engine, and power four chamber RD-170 can be reduced by simply "halving" it (in fact, RD-180 is just half of RD-170)
F-1 was unclaimed because it single chamber engineIts excess power cannot be reduced for its use in smaller missiles. I kind of wrote it in Russian, what is incomprehensible here?

Part of your message about Saturn 5, I still do not understand, some incoherent set of words.

[voyaka uh]

Here are the places where you can see in the States
Saturn-5 rockets and their engines:
Saturn 1
US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL

SATURN 1B
Kennedy Space Center, FL

Saturn v
Kennedy Space Center, FL

Saturn v
US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL

Saturn v
Johnson Space Center, NASA, Houston, TX

F-1 ENGINES
National Air and Space Museum, Washington, DC
US Space and Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL
NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX
Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum (Air Zoo), Kalamazoo, MI
New Mexico Museum of Space History, Alamogordo, NM
Powerhouse Museum, Sydney, Australia
NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, AL

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

where in the States you can see
Saturn-5 rockets and their engines:

Yeah

Quote: voyaka uh

SATURN 1

Quote: voyaka uh

SATURN 1B

no, thanks. Why do I need Saturn -1? (I do not really need 5)

Quote: voyaka uh

SATURN V Kennedy Space Center, FL

Quote: voyaka uh

SATURN V US Space & Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL

Displayed outdoors and on its side since 1969, the rocket has been exhibiting widespread paint failure, moisture infiltration, an overall accumulation of atmospheric and biological soiling, and corrosion of its complex system of metal alloys, including aluminum.

Paint coatings and loose corrosion products were removed using high pressure waterjets (> 25,000 psig). More fragile materials were stripped of coatings using chemical gels

Quote: voyaka uh

Saturn V Johnson Space Center, NASA, Houston, TX

Did you even read what I wrote?

Quote: opus

somehow began to rust (although there is nothing to rust)

Quote: voyaka uh

F-1 ENGINES

all the more. Why me?
and why so little? wrongly think!

[voyaka uh]

"(although there is nothing to rust there)" ////
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I'm starting to understand - conspiracy.
"the king is not real!"
Say "a", say "b":
The engine is not real, the rocket is not real ...
And the Americans did not fly to the moon on such a fake rocket.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the Americans did not fly to the moon on such a fake rocket.

I did not say that.
But

and that's not the point ("rust")
Most of all pinned me:
Bush and Constellation, Review of US Human Space Flight Plans Committee and Norman Augustine.
Entertaining reading: report for the senate.
NASA was not able to answer and give any data: neither by belt, nor by TK, nor by the moon.
SO IT DOESN’T HAPPEN

10 00 000 000, 00 $ if I am not mistaken bye-bye

[voyaka uh]

"I did not say that."////
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There is no halfway. Or flew, or not.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no halfway. Or flew, or not.

there are more ways:
- fly to the wrong place, which is divided into 3 options:
- jump over the Pocket line
- fly around our planet
- go around the target without landing
- fly less (substantially) there, let's say once, having finalized everything that needs to be finalized
-can not fly, they are such funny manipulators, and how many times they came across

The total declared time the Americans were on the moon was about 5 thousand minutes, and they brought nearly 6 thousand photos.

6000/5000 = 1,2 photos per minute (if exactly 0,83 photos per minute = every 50 seconds)
The North American Space Agency (NASA) first posted on the Internet photos of the lunar program "Apollo" in high resolution.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/with/72157658592613769

and not so

as well

WITHOUT a viewfinder (on the lunar modification of Hasselblad cameras it is deleted)
in gloves and in spacesuits, at 1/6 of earth's gravity, in vacuum, after many days of flight in zero gravity, in a cramped chest, with diapers on the priests ....
photo in excess of perfect quality

1 photo every 50 sec. (this is not considered spoiled- which no one has seen !!!)
if Th then Hasselblad is not digital
cuties, spacesuit, reduced st, vacuum does not interfere much

[voyaka uh]

Clear. Did not fly.
Welcome to the conspiracy club!
It’s sad, to be honest.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

Clear. Did not fly.

I did not say that.
about the photo every 50 sec = spoke

Quote: voyaka uh

Welcome to the

nor

Quote: voyaka uh

It’s sad, to be honest.

a man flies to the moon, I hope in the next 10-15 years, it will be more fun.
It’s a pity that not ours will be there

[voyaka uh]

"a man flies to the moon, I hope in the next 10-15 years" ////
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This is also declared fake. Those who did not fly. You can not even doubt it.
LRO has been flying over the Moon for many years.
And fotka everything. He found all Soviet lunar stations, both lunar rovers, all Apollo sites, all the wreckage of old and new crashed probes.
But does it help?
Conspirologists do not care.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

And fotka everything. He found everything

let it fly
there (on nasa site)

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https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/Gallery/LunarReconnaissanceOrbiter.html

really dofigishchi photo, already cuts the eyes

do not get a live picture
processed yes.

Quote: voyaka uh

all Apollo parking

Show.
I do not need the wreckage of the probes, the rovers too

[voyaka uh]

"Show"////
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Enough. You are a 100% classic conspiracy theorist.

[opus]

Quote: voyaka uh

You are a 100% classic conspiracy theorist.

generally past the gate:
I am not a supporter of the "lunar conspiracy" theory
but not stupid americophil, nasafil.
It is interesting for me to read their skirmishes, almost like at the institute. The supporters of the "lunar conspiracy" theory are much more original than the nasafils, and they are often put on both shoulder blades.
Here you are not a single bewilderment, not even someone else's refutation.
This is indicative: nasafil, or there is americafil

[valeryb]

Quote: opus

I am not a supporter of the "lunar conspiracy" theory

Here is the imine, nichto nowhere is lital. neither to the moon, nor to the sky. And Gagarin did not fly. There is a crystal dome tama as the earth ends on the sides.

[opus]

Quote: valeryb

There is a crystal dome tama as the earth ends on the sides.

everyone believes in the measure of their mental abilities and the education given by parents and country

[Kirill Dou]

He wonders if this old engine has an "essence" (BUT IT WAS REALLY)?

- what is written in brackets and caps - was it written so on the NASA website or is it your insert?

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

it was so written on the NASA website or

I indicated everything!

poke, look, read, translate (to the best of potency)
if it’s difficult here
https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/f1_sls.html
in MY brackets, they have Juice- juice (well you want so, so) ,

or essence
here / there everything
want this translation:

They wonder does this old engine have "juice"?

well use
Что бы не обижались и не нарваться на безграмотного модератора
Potency is (lat. Potentia - force) - in the general sense, the presence of forces for any action.
/ not thatwhat you he (moderator) thought /

[Kirill Dou]

The expression "Juice" means not only "essence", but also "force, energy, traction". And then the translation of the phrase will sound like" She wonders if this old engine still has "power"? "Something like" Does this old engine still have "powder in the powder flasks"?

Here. And no "entities" and "did he really exist" need to be invented, everything is easier to explain. Did you really decide that NASA, who supposedly decided to lie to the whole world, would be so fired up in an open article?

In the Russian language there is also an expression similar in meaning "the most juice" (perhaps it came just from the West).
You can read about the meaning of the word juice here: https: //top_english.academic.ru/45063/juice

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

means not only "essence",

the key here is "not only"

Quote: Kirill Dou

no need to invent, everything is explained more simply.

Yes Yes.
Right! No need to THINK

Quote: Kirill Dou

F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.

Quote: Kirill Dou

You can read about the meaning of the word juice

not worth it
I’m better to read Genadiy Ivchenkov. It will be more interesting, and more useful

[Kirill Dou]

the key here is "not only"

- right, not only. Here are just some of the meanings give a clear and logical picture, and other meanings - illogical and fuzzy. Your meaning is just the second.

not worth it

- Yes, actually.

I’m better to read Genadiy Ivchenkov.

- is this the same Ivchenkov who openly calls Einstein's theory of relativity "pseudoscientific"? Well, read on. read)) It would be better, however, real experts like Feoktistov and Chertok were revered, but since you like "Fomenko from Physics" Ivchenkov - ok, God be with you))

[opus]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Here are just some of the meanings give a clear and logical picture.

what is it that you are attached to my measure of water, which is not a lie, but has the right to exist?
This is ORDER better than stupidly lying like you

Quote: Kirill Dou

F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.

and then immediately reverse

Quote: Kirill Dou

Let only gas generator.

?
if CHE, then the gas generator is (red):

and black is a carburetor, mysterious, the rest, in general, F-1, which supposedly

Quote: Kirill Dou

F-1 engines were tested in the design new superlift SLS.

Quote: Kirill Dou

It would be better, however, real experts

Why should I read them? if I read Chertok for almost 6 years while studying?
Konstantin Petrovich, although he taught at my alma mater, is not my specialty (I was not a former "faculty of thermal and hydraulic machines" / then I graduated from E-2) ... what should I read it about?
and he did not write about the Moon and F-1 and Saturn-5, and he could not write, not this thing

[Kirill Dou]

what is it that you are attached to my measure of water, which is not a lie, but has the right to exist? - because your translation of the word juice, although true in itself, distorts the meaning of the whole sentence.

This is ORDER better than stupidly lying like you

“I admit that I made a mistake.” Which does not justify your distortion of the above phrase.

and he did not write about the Moon and F-1 and Saturn-5, and he could not write, not this thing

- yah? Cosmonaut and spaceship designer Konstantin Feoktistov spoke out in his book “The trajectory of life. Between Yesterday and Tomorrow ”about a possible flight simulation:“ When Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins flew to the Moon, our radio receivers received signals from the Apollo 11, conversations, a television picture about the surface of the Moon. Arranging such a hoax is probably no less difficult than a real expedition. To do this, it would be necessary to land a television repeater on the lunar surface in advance and test its operation (with transmission to Earth) again in advance. And in the days of the expedition simulation, it was necessary to send a radio relay to the moon to simulate the Apollo radio communication with the Earth on the flight path to the moon. And they did not hide the scale of work on Apollo. And what they showed me in Houston in 1969 (Control Center, stands, laboratories), the Los Angeles manufacturing plants of the Apollo ships and the descent vehicles that returned to Earth should have been an imitation according to this logic ?! Too complicated and too funny. ”

Why should I read them? if I read Chertok for almost 6 years while studying?

- it means that somehow you read it in the wrong place while studying. We look at the contents of his book "Rockets and People":

Chapter 2. The lunar program of the USA

Chapter 3. The lunar program H1-L3 under the Queen

Chapter 4. Difficult conversation with the Royal

Chapter 5. Management H1-L3

Chapter 6. Lagging, but not surrendering

You can see it here: http://militera.lib.ru/explo/chertok_be/index.html

Further, Chertok's quote from the same book: "In the USA, three years after the astronauts landed on the moon, a book was published, which stated that there was no flight to the moon ... The author and publisher made good money on deliberate lies."

But I understand that Ivchenkov, the Great Overthrower of the "pseudo-scientific Theory of Relativity, the half-educated Einstein"

[Prisoner]

Maybe among the papers of Hollywood screenwriters lost?

[Vladimir_2U]

Finally, I realized what an asymmetric answer is!

[1536]

As far as I understand, these engines are produced in Russia, but the right to use them was acquired by General Deinemics, and the engines themselves are produced jointly with the American company Pratt & Whitney, a well-known company in the world engine building. The joint venture is called RD-Amros JV. The patent rights belonged to our NPO Energomash, so the Americans could not just steal the technology of engine production. However, these patents expired in November 2019.
Since 2014, the conclusion of new contracts for the supply and production of engines has been discontinued, and today they are going to the States, apparently under an old contract. And they do not conclude new contracts for the production and development of new engines in connection with the lawsuit won by E. Mask SpaceX, which decided to produce the engines itself and supply them to NASA and for the needs of the Pentagon.
So, anything can do here, but the echoes of the 1990s (read the illiterate management of production and science) still ring out over Russia. Therefore, the Americans with full confidence speak of the decline of Russian cosmonautics, and even its complete degradation. Indeed, the conclusion suggests itself: Musk will repeat these engines at a higher technical level, using ready-made solutions, the rights to use of which have expired in Russia, and remove competitors from Russia from the space technology market. Common capitalism is when you don’t have to ruin your country.

[Fraracol_2]

You write everything correctly, but 90 years have passed since the 20s.

[1536]

The 90s is not time, it is a state of a country made at one moment a territory, and a people turned into an electorate, ordinary people or consumers. On the territory there is no need for a flag, coat of arms, an anthem can be made from any music, science, education, patent law, etc. attributes of a developed society are not needed.

[evgen1221]

Antiresno, and what will our trampoline creators sing when the need for mattresses in our engines disappears?

[Sniper]

survived .. we are their engines! and they show us "sanction figwams"

[Mentat]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Starover_Z

despite the fact that it is produced in Russian factories!

But do we need from them, in general, something vitally important?

Many things. But to us (unlike China, for example), under the current ruling elite, the United States will never be sold. The list is long.
Yes, we somehow get out of the situation, develop it ourselves, buy through the tenths, but the situation is just that.

[Lontus]

The discussion is part of a false dilemma:
Sell ​​on old contracts or not sell?

In fact, in the face of impudent sanctions, the right decision:

sell, but much more expensive !!

Sanctions are a force majeure - old contracts under the conditions of sanctions lose their force, so the price can and should be increased.

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Quote: Lontus

sell, but much more expensive !!

So at exorbitant prices are sold And it’s so expensive for them that they don’t want to launch their rockets and astronauts either.

For comparison, at the beginning of the decade, the same RD-180s cost them ~ $ 9 million apiece.
Today ~ $ 15 million. A week-long flight of a spaceflight participant (that is, a tourist) last year cost Roscosmos ~ $ 20 million, this is more than $ 40 million, and NASA astronauts and Europeans flying at their quota with the Japanese and other Canadians at the expense of NASA pay more than $ 70 million for a place .

[Mac Simka]

And after that, there are complaints against Bulgaria. They dodged it all right, but why should others blaspheme with their own precepts?

[Kazbek]

Engine engine room!