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How much Kiev demanded for the cruiser "Ukraine"

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In the 2013 year, when relations between Russia and Ukraine were at a fairly acceptable level, which after the Maidan seems already unattainable, there was information about the possibility of acquiring a long-term cruiser for 1 billion rubles. However, according to newly voiced information, earlier Moscow offered a much larger amount. But the deal was disrupted by the fault of Kiev.

The Ukraine missile cruiser was built in 1984 as the Admiral Fleet Lobov. " He acquired a new name after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Then the leadership of the independent decided to rename the ship, as it intended to demonstrate the successes of the new independent power, building it on its own.

After launching in 1990, the cruiser continues to be at the outfitting berth. Since 2017, when the head of state Petro Poroshenko signed a decree, he expects disposal. But earlier Ukraine had a chance to earn substantial money on the sale of long-term construction: its excessive demanding prevented its implementation.

Already agreed: either 450, or 600 million dollars for this ship. To which the Ukrainian side replied: "only 800." To which they [the Russians] replied: "We will build a new one for 800"

- said Victor Stavitsky, one of the creators of the ship, as well as the entire Atlantes series (see video below with 10: 30).


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  1. The comment was deleted.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 December 2019 04: 55
      +51
      Just not brothers!

      How these brothers got me ... how to milk Russia for the udder, so they are brothers forever ... like Russia need something so they immediately accuse us of imperialism ... rogue brothers ... especially when you look at Lukashenko, you clearly realize this.
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      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 9 December 2019 05: 16
        +29
        Judging by the fact that they could not sell their rusty cruiser to Russia, they do not know how to milk. Not from there hands grow. And the head too. wassat
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 9 December 2019 05: 23
          +33
          This rusty trough is now only for scrap. It was necessary to sell them when Moscow offered favorable conditions, but what can you do about greed crossed out everything.
          1. bessmertniy
            bessmertniy 9 December 2019 05: 25
            +6
            Now for sure. And when it was offered to sell for money, the Ukrainians blinked.
            1. krot
              krot 9 December 2019 09: 38
              +8
              Give me pills for greed .. And more, more !!! wassat
            2. demo
              demo 9 December 2019 11: 00
              +3
              Bloodthirsty in this nation.
            3. Brturin
              Brturin 9 December 2019 13: 03
              +1
              Quote: bessmertniy
              And when it was offered to sell for money, the Ukrainians blinked

              At the same time, Pavel Bukin, General Director of Ukroboronprom State Corporation, was spent on its maintenance. "In 2012-13, under an agreement with the Ministry of Defense, 600 thousand hryvnias were paid per month. At today's prices, about 15 million hryvnias per year." So, how much did they spend during the entire time he stood ...
              1. Eug
                Eug 9 December 2019 14: 20
                +6
                In vain you are so ... and how much of this "content" the lads put in their pockets, could they do it without it? One of the cutting patterns. And if they did, then completely different people would be engaged in cutting.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 9 December 2019 11: 31
            +2
            ... greed fraer destroys ...
          3. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus 9 December 2019 21: 25
            +1
            This rust trough is now

            Now, from the principle, they will sell it to some kind of China or India for a penny.
            True, I was always sincerely sure that the price tag was not a billion, as they wrote in VO, but the 800ml that Ukraine requested against 650ml that Russia was ready to pay.
            Why was I so sure of this? - the numbers simply entered into the memory when it was discussed.
          4. Rostislav
            Rostislav 10 December 2019 10: 32
            0
            The saying, "Greed is the path to poverty", was not born out of nowhere.
        2. knn54
          knn54 9 December 2019 13: 21
          +5
          The most terrible animal on the planet is the Toad. How many she "strangled" and it is impossible to imagine.
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      4. Civil
        Civil 9 December 2019 06: 43
        +3
        They tried to sell to the Chinese, but without the weapons that were produced in Russia, the Chinese refused to take them.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 9 December 2019 11: 49
          +2
          The Chinese do not need such a ship from the word at all.
          They Type 055 rivet like baked cakes.
          And this 055 (to put it mildly) is in no way inferior to 1164.
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    2. kjhg
      kjhg 9 December 2019 09: 44
      +9
      Quote: Mityai65
      Only a ram could buy this junk

      So you think our admirals and generals are more stupid than yourself? Or just blurted out without thinking? The desire to buy the last of the Atlant series cruisers was justified and justified. Naturally, there was no talk of his completion. It was supposed to be used as a source of spare parts and systems for the three cruisers of the same type in service with the Navy. If you are interested in the state of the Navy, you should be aware that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the guards missile cruiser Moscow, has not been fighting for more than 3 years and is standing at the pier. The reason is the complete exhaustion of the resource of many systems, including gas turbine engines. The unfinished cruiser Ukraine would be very useful for an early repair and its return to the combat personnel of the Black Sea Fleet. But still, in line for repairs, we have the Varyag cruiser of the same type, which in the coming years will also completely exhaust the resource and will require repair.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 9 December 2019 12: 20
        +5
        To broach a cruiser for spare parts with a degree of readiness of 95/98 percent (according to various sources)? Nda.
        It’s just that if you bought it, then simple retrofitting and transfer to the north. Moscow right now is not in line precisely because of the kapets to the engines.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 9 December 2019 13: 29
        +2
        Quote: kjhg
        The unfinished cruiser Ukraine would be very useful for an early repair and its return to the combat personnel of the Black Sea Fleet.

        It is interesting how, for example, if dismantling a power plant with subsequent testing and installation will cost about the same as manufacturing a new one at domestic plants and using new technologies. Only in this situation will we get a completely new product, and not something that has rusted for many years at the mooring wall and it is not clear what condition it is in. And so on throughout the nomenclature of equipment and weapons of the Ukrainian ship. I think that such a ship would hardly be of benefit to our fleet, especially given the new concept of the transition to small tonnage ships with RSMD, which will be used in the same water area of ​​the Black and Mediterranean Sea. According to anyone, it turns out that we don’t need this cruiser at all, and we must put up with this fact, and not fantasize how we could make candy out of it.
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      1. pin_code
        pin_code 10 December 2019 14: 18
        +1
        if he had just entered service, even so it would be a big plus for the fleet, minusers do not understand that there will be no leaders for a long time. and ships are needed yesterday.
        1. svp67
          svp67 10 December 2019 14: 26
          -1
          Quote: pin_code
          and ships are needed yesterday.

          I am afraid that it is already TODAY, knowing a little the situation with the surface ships in the Russian fleets. That is why I would be very glad to "Mistrals" too, but at least something would go to its replenishment, and not just everything in the "cemetery". But honestly, now I do not see the need for it. So many years without movement and proper maintenance, and it is old, in its concept ...
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 9 December 2019 04: 25
    +13
    The same age as Ticonderoga. But, without Aegis and with huge already inefficient rockets. Lateral rocket launchers this past century, not allowing to carry enough rockets for such a large ship. So it's good that they did not buy. There is little money in the fleet and spraying them on an old ship is a crime.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 9 December 2019 05: 33
      +6
      There is little money in the fleet and spraying them on an old ship is a crime.

      Of course, for 800 million. $ you can build 2 frigates 22350 or 3 - 11356. Which would be more effective for investment / return. After all, the Ukrainian cruiser still had to be completed and equipped. Which would bring the cost to 1 billion green.
    2. Foxnova
      Foxnova 9 December 2019 11: 13
      +5
      Look at the first Ticonderoges. Beam air defense systems and inclined pu
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 9 December 2019 11: 40
        0
        I know. But the first ones have long been decommissioned. Including the founder of the series. And Ukraine will never be completed.
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 9 December 2019 18: 29
      +2
      Why are volcanoes ineffective? 1164 just carried a sufficient number of missiles: their number was chosen so that it was guaranteed to push Aegis AUG. This is now, when Iowa is finally put on a joke, you can get by the Yakhonts and Caliber, and earlier, without such missiles, the enemy would have had invulnerable ships. Yes, and the chances of incapacitating the aircraft carrier at the Granites and Volcanoes were greater (before the appearance of SM-2): they have reservations that are resistant to the effects of a near air defense system and electronic warheads on board.
    4. pin_code
      pin_code 10 December 2019 14: 19
      0
      who told you that rockets are ineffective? do you think the Varyag, Marshal Ustinov and Moscow are used as boats for a walk?
  4. Eddie
    Eddie 9 December 2019 04: 57
    +8
    The frayer's greed ruined.
  5. loki565
    loki565 9 December 2019 05: 09
    +4
    As if we could not modernize our Atlantes, and here this unfinished building is in an incomprehensible state.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: loki565
      and then this unfinished building in an incomprehensible state.

      Well, excuse me, I’ll ask you the question "What condition can any product be in Ukraine?"
      1. Ren
        Ren 9 December 2019 09: 21
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well, excuse me, I’ll ask you the question "What condition can any product be in Ukraine?"

        Well, you are so categorical - Ukraine has very good products that float (in the sense of not drowning). They can produce them in unlimited quantities and throw it on the fan! wassat
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 December 2019 10: 45
          0
          Quote: Ren
          Well, you are so categorical - Ukraine has very good products that float (in the sense of not drowning).

          Well, don’t drown, you yourself know the saying. And I mean, everything is in a stolen state, it looks like a ship, but inside it is empty.
  6. Comrade
    Comrade 9 December 2019 05: 11
    +11
    We have already agreed: either 450 or 600 million dollars for this ship. To which the Ukrainian side replied: "only 800".

    Kiev in this situation, a pawn, he was told from across the ocean to break the deal, and he rolled out a deliberately unacceptable price.
    Although maintaining a cruiser for decades is more expensive for itself, and it would be more profitable to get rid of it for any money, but this is not the first time that Ukraine has been acting contrary to its interests, just to please the "elder friend".
  7. Avior
    Avior 9 December 2019 05: 32
    +5
    The grandfather is old, he was asked about the construction of the Atlantes, but he didn’t have a lot of relations with them, at that time, in the 80s, he worked in the department of special shipbuilding, dangled abroad, so he decided to retell gossips, not 450 then 600 it is unknown who knows who knows what year it was proposed, so that no one except grandfather knows about it
    Of course, the ship had to be bought back, if there were at least one new ship of the 1st rank, albeit on a somewhat outdated project, especially since at that time oil was at a peak price, the money was
  8. Ivan Slavic
    Ivan Slavic 9 December 2019 05: 34
    +5
    Due to their stupidity, greed and stupidity, the pan-and-headedheads have lost much and will soon lose everything.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 December 2019 05: 36
    +10
    Funny camouflage at the ship - rust lol bold decision however lol !
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 9 December 2019 05: 57
      +3
      You are right - this camouflage is even visible from afar! immediately drew attention to him!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 December 2019 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      The camouflage at the ship is cool - rust is a bold decision, however

      Good camouflage! And what would you like for 35 years, he just rotted. Put a new iron barrel at the dacha and hold it for 35 years, what will remain of it? The correct answer is camouflage.
    3. Paul
      Paul 9 December 2019 10: 06
      -11
      I had to buy him and the rats at a nearby vegetable warehouse. Launch the animal there. Then join the squadron with "Kuzya" at the head and accidentally lose in the Atlantic, so that he, like "Olga Orlova", at the behest of the wind and currents, would begin to drift on NATO communications. And it looks scary and the stories about fighting rats in vests on board can be filmed.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 9 December 2019 07: 17
    +6
    Even on the issue of selling unnecessary by themselves, natural greed and an attempt to fool prevailed over reason. So it is with gas transit - the requests of the Ukrainian side for the amount of payment for transit are exaggerated (to put it mildly) to the real cost of services. Once again they will remain with nothing but what I wish them.
  11. BAI
    BAI 9 December 2019 08: 44
    +1
    Ancient folk wisdom - the frayer's greed destroyed.
  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 December 2019 08: 49
    +1
    Already agreed: either 450, or 600 million dollars for this ship. To which the Ukrainian side replied: "only 800." To which they [the Russians] replied: "We will build a new one for 800"
    Excessive, wild greed darkens the eyes of non-brothers, people no longer understand where is reality, where is virtuality. They consider themselves "chosen by God", and "all the worlds", ackst, you have the last crack in your pocket.
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  14. NordOst16
    NordOst16 9 December 2019 09: 51
    +1
    For 800 they will not build a new one, at least 1,5 lard will rise. And, as it turned out, we still cannot build (((
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 9 December 2019 09: 51
    +1
    It remains to be regretted that the cruiser did not enter service.
  16. aries2200
    aries2200 9 December 2019 09: 55
    +2
    greed fraer ruined ..................
  17. AleBors
    AleBors 9 December 2019 10: 32
    +1
    Everything is in the best traditions: "Come on rotting ..."
  18. Al Asad
    Al Asad 9 December 2019 11: 04
    +1
    I remember Sergei Ivanov, when he was his Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation (2001-2007), said that Russia was ready to buy an unfinished cruiser from Ukraine for 1 ruble, since a considerable amount had to be invested in the completion
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2019 12: 37
    0
    Already agreed: either 450, or 600 million dollars for this ship. To which the Ukrainian side replied: "only 800." To which they [the Russians] replied: "We will build a new one for 800"
    Well and how - built? sad
    1. D16
      D16 9 December 2019 13: 27
      -4
      Well and how - built? sad

      Can we build Ishmael or the Soviet Union? And immediately we will make a floating museum out of it fellow
  20. petr.tchetyrkin
    petr.tchetyrkin 9 December 2019 13: 42
    0
    The brains of our Navy leadership have rusted, why do we need metal with brains and an element base 30-40 years ago, apparently only on the pocket of the leadership of the military-industrial complex, and where are the eyes and ears of the president-sand, who is speaking occasionally off topic.
  21. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 9 December 2019 13: 52
    +1
    Buy at the price of scrap metal
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2019 14: 47
    +1
    Quote: D16
    Well and how - built? sad

    Can we build Ishmael or the Soviet Union? And immediately we will make a floating museum out of it fellow

    You ask this question to someone who, for 800 lyamas, was probably going to do something like what you called to build! lol wassat tongue
    1. D16
      D16 9 December 2019 15: 58
      0
      Judging by the sad smiley in the first question, you regret that no one began to build a new atlas for 800 million. So my question is for you, and not for the memories of some grandfather who could blurt out for the sake of a red word.
  23. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 December 2019 16: 55
    +2
    I beg your pardon, but this is how hokh-lyatski - "only 800", and then in the future, send it to the scrap. It is also a question whether they have funds for disposal. What are these stupid figures?request
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 9 December 2019 17: 37
    0
    Quote: D16
    Judging by the sad smiley in the first question, you regret that no one began to build a new atlas for 800 million. So my question is for you, and not for the memories of some grandfather who could blurt out for the sake of a red word.

    I regret a lot - the comment format is not enough to state what I'm sorry! hi
  25. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 9 December 2019 19: 05
    +2
    I will give "Ukraine" in good hands smile one owner yes , without "run good ", pickup ... sad
  26. serg2108
    serg2108 10 December 2019 00: 21
    +1
    Well, to what our authorities have already reached .... around some traitors and bastards ... instead of building shipyards inside the country. factories to train workers and create an engineering school that could build the best ships in the world with excellent characteristics, they bargain with traitors , and enemies of Russia!
  27. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 December 2019 02: 54
    +2
    Even 600 for him a prohibitive amount .. In fact, a firewall, miraculously kept afloat.
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 December 2019 06: 20
    +1
    Initially there was a desire to "pozuboskalit" !!! I watched the movie m ... yes !!! replace Ukraine with Russia and Nikolaev with Vladivostok "Dalzavod" - one to one! Thieves. Crooks, swindlers, have no nationality! Look, what is left of the Pacific Fleet and where "did 60 units of the fleet disappear !? Construction of the" Zvezda "is a disgrace, they steal more than at the Vostochny cosmodrome. The truth is one - put yourself in order, then teach others!