DNI says goodbye to the Ukrainian language: Pushilin's new policy

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DNI says goodbye to the Ukrainian language: Pushilin's new policy

The head came to life


Probably, specialists from the Varangians finally appeared in the apparatus of the head of the DPR Denis Pushilin. How else to explain the sudden activation of the chapter and all kinds of benefits that suddenly fell on the heads of unsuspecting residents of the republic?

Pushilin promised to soon cancel the curfew that was pretty boring to everyone. The website mnenie.oddr.info has been launched in the DPR, on which an unprecedented case for the republic takes place - everyone can express their opinion on various initiatives of the government of the republic. The head himself quickly enough dealt with the topic of tremors in Makeevka (it turned out to be enough to stop work at the Kalinovskaya mine) and effectively went to Ilovaisk, where he encouraged the population and dismissed the head of the city administration.



But most of all attention was attracted by the decision of the head (at the moment the bill has already been included in the agenda of the People’s Council) to amend Art. 10 of the Constitution of the DPR and the Law on Education and establish the Russian language in the status of the only state.

Watching the Mova


Mayor of Horlivka Ivan Prikhodko actively opposed the initiative of the chapter, which was first voiced in the first half of November. He put forward standard arguments that the more people know languages, the better that discrimination on the basis of language cannot be allowed and that their children almost they study Ukrainian with enthusiasm.

He was supported by Deputy Minister of Education and Science of the DPR Andrei Udovenko, who said:

“In the Constitution of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Ukrainian language is indicated as one of the state languages. And according to the educational standards approved by us in the 2015 year and in the new edition of the 2018 year, the Ukrainian language is one of the compulsory subjects of the curriculum. From the second to eleventh grade, it is studied in all educational institutions of the Republic, along with Russian and foreign languages. Therefore, today and in the future, we do not expect any changes in state educational standards and curricula of primary and secondary education. The main thing is that our students are fluent in the Ukrainian language, and there is no discriminatory policy on our part. ”


Why the deputy minister is so important that the Donetsk children are fluent in the Ukrainian language, which hardly 1% of the population speaks in the republic, he did not explain. The arguments of Prikhodko and Udovenko did not convince the public. Basically, the population accepted Pushilin’s proposal with enthusiasm.

Whom and what are they teaching?


Another argument made in defense of the Ukrainian language: the possible dismissal of Ukrainian philologists. In fact, the argument is untenable. Since 2014, the number of hours of the Ukrainian language and literature has been set at the level of only 1-2 hours per week. All Ukrainian teachers were invited to retrain for Russian scholars, the demand for which in LDNR has only grown in recent years.

That is, the refusal of the Ukrainian language in schools (or the transfer of learning Ukrainian to an optional basis) is not a reason for teachers to be on the street, except for those who refuse to teach Russian for ideological reasons, but there is nothing to do either in school or in the republic generally.

In any case, the desire (or unwillingness) of several hundred teachers to change their qualifications hardly means more than the unwillingness of the vast majority of the republic’s population to see the Ukrainian language in schools, which is steadily associated with Ukraine, nationalism and Russophobia.

Most likely, those who wish to study the Ukrainian language will be provided with such opportunities. Everyone else will get extra hours of Russian language and literature, and society will get a little less annoyance (to admit, the presence of “language” at school was pretty angry for many). In the end, if one measures a person’s education by the number of languages ​​studied, it is quite possible to introduce the study of the Serbian language instead of Ukrainian.
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  1. +19
    8 December 2019 06: 20
    Yes, and rightly so. the rejection of the Ukrainian language in schools (or the transfer of the study of Ukrainian to an optional basis) is not a reason for teachers to be on the street, except for those who refuse to teach Russian for ideological reasons, but there’s nothing to do either at school or in the republic as a whole.
    1. +28
      8 December 2019 09: 15
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Yes, and rightly so. refusal of the Ukrainian language in schools (or transfer of the study of Ukrainian to an optional basis)

      I agree that this mov is already associated with punitive bloody operations in the Donbas .. I used to love Ukrainian songs and generally speaking (I have many relatives and my first wife is a thoroughbred hohlushka ..) But now I can’t listen to this guys, it hurts my soul .. Excuse me, but it takes time for this pain to dull
      I did not expect such a betrayal from the "brothers of the Slavs" .. negative
      1. -67
        8 December 2019 11: 10
        What kind of betrayal of the "Slavic brothers", let me ask you?
        "Brothers Slavs" chopped off Taman from Russia?
        Or the boots of the "Slavic brothers" trample the Russian steppes near Stavropol?
        Or did their ichthams proclaim the UPR in Krasnodar?
        And with languages ​​you need to be more careful. For some reason, we love to vote that Ukrainians oppress the Russian language. Do not go the same path.
        1. +35
          8 December 2019 12: 12
          Quote: Neznaika
          What kind of betrayal of the "Slavic brothers", let me ask you?

          On the Maidan.
          Quote: Neznaika
          "Brothers Slavs" chopped off Taman from Russia?

          The whole territory of Ukraine is land torn away from Russia.
          1. -47
            8 December 2019 13: 33
            Is that so?
            And these lands of the Moscow principality fell from the sky?
            It did not tear anyone away from them? Didn’t chop off? Did not wave? Didn't take it away?
            1. +28
              8 December 2019 15: 10
              Quote: Neznaika
              And these lands of the Moscow principality fell from the sky?

              Moscow? And we don’t remember about Kievan Rus? These lands were Russian even before the rise of Moscow.
              Quote: Neznaika
              It did not tear anyone away from them? Didn’t chop off? Did not wave? Didn't take it away?

              Are you talking about Turks and Poles? Well, they certainly didn’t belong to them.
              1. -11
                9 December 2019 12: 56
                I will buy coins of the USSR, 18-19 centuries - very expensive
                1. +4
                  9 December 2019 20: 19
                  Quote: Sergey Mikula
                  I will buy coins of the USSR

                  Before the USSR, there was the Russian Empire, before it the Moscow Empire, and even earlier Russia.
                2. +1
                  10 December 2019 21: 38
                  Quote: Sergey Mikula
                  I will buy coins of the USSR, 18-19 centuries - very expensive

                  I would sell it but you know that in the first place the USSR is a lot of national state, in the second place it did not even exist in 1918. Now, if you offer me coins of the UKRAINIAN state before 1917, this is another matter laughing Everyone except dill knows who made up the Ukrainian nation hi
              2. -1
                10 December 2019 03: 54
                As for the Kievan Rus and Muscovy - here the history is covered with darkness. After all, in theory, we did not have the year 1699, we had a different chronology and even in the 17th century in Europe they spoke the Slavic language. And there was a current in 1700 - Peter 1 established it. But we don't talk about it. And the fact that the "tale of bygone years" - refers to the sources - which is no longer available anywhere, is of no particular interest to anyone. Have you heard about Tartary ?? And about the Siberian Khanate ?? And what is ChinGisKhan ?? In general, the history of languages? For example, Ukrainian (Malorosky dialect) is a mixture of Slavic and Polish, based on Slavic.
                1. +2
                  10 December 2019 19: 51
                  Quote: l7yzo
                  After all, in theory, we did not have 1699, we had a different chronology, and back in the 17th century, Slavic was spoken in Europe. And there was a current of 1700 - Peter the Great established it. But we don’t talk about it.

                  Oh really? About the fact that before Peter the Great’s reforms there was a different reckoning, I learned in a lesson at school.
            2. +13
              8 December 2019 15: 14
              Quote: Neznaika
              Is that so?
              And these lands of the Moscow principality fell from the sky?
              It did not tear anyone away from them? Didn’t chop off? Did not wave? Didn't take it away?


              Today's Ukraine also belongs to the territory until 1940 that belonged to other states. For example, the same Poland. Or does it not "count"?
            3. +24
              8 December 2019 21: 21
              Quote: Neznaika
              Is that so?
              And these lands of the Moscow principality fell from the sky?
              It did not tear anyone away from them? Didn’t chop off? Did not wave? Didn't take it away?


              “Why are you even living in a foreign territory?” To their bleating “we live on our Ukrainian land”, ask the following question: “But has Russia won this land from the Poles, Turks and Krymchaks? Kiev was generally bought from Poles for Russian money. The Russians gave you this territory for use - as fraternal people. Not brothers? Wonderful. We take it back without waiting for peritonitis. ”
              Didn't want to be friends? "Moskalyaku on Gilyaku" who yelled?
        2. +30
          8 December 2019 12: 32
          Quote: Neznaika
          What kind of betrayal of the "Slavic brothers", let me ask you?

          I don’t even want to argue with you, here’s such a picture before my eyes constantly .. Evil is not enough damn it tse mane deceived he he

          Just do not need to write that this is a photoshop .. angry
          And that too ..

          Already forgotten? And we don’t and will not forget ..
          1. -39
            8 December 2019 13: 00
            Starper 777. And where does the language.
            You (and Co.) do not like songs and dances of PEOPLE anymore?
            By the way, the hopak is not only a dance, it is an analogue of Brazilian capoeira ..
            Pushilin went the way of Galician idiots, Which does not do him honor.
            And this is on the eve of the Paris meeting.
            1. +22
              8 December 2019 13: 21
              Quote: knn54
              By the way, the hopak is not only a dance, it is an analogue of Brazilian capoeira ..

              laughing wassat crying
              Looks like everything fell under the table .. heh heh
              1. -16
                8 December 2019 13: 27
                Darkness, friend of youth. Judging by the "nickname" do not belong to the latter.
            2. +3
              8 December 2019 19: 01
              What happened before, hopak or capoeira? This is to someone who is analogous to whom.
            3. +5
              10 December 2019 09: 15
              Rzhu nimagu. laughing wassat crying lol laughing
              Capuero was invented by Ukrainians laughing
              And dug up the Atlantic Ocean laughing
              Five years have passed, and Ukrainians still do not let the seagull from Maidan. Picking gulls. It seems that Ukrainians are starting to drink it directly from the hospital
          2. -47
            8 December 2019 13: 29
            I'm not interested in who forgot what.
            I am asking a specific question: are the boots of the Ukrainian "volunteers" trampling the steppes of Stavropol?
            Or is it the exact opposite?
            Are Ukrainian "lost" paratroopers caught on the territory of Russia or vice versa?
            1. +19
              8 December 2019 13: 34
              Quote: Neznaika
              I ask a specific question

              Why did you decide that you have the right to ask someone here?
              1. -15
                8 December 2019 22: 25
                Probably because I have a right to ask a question a certain Golovan Jack.
                On what basis?
            2. +21
              8 December 2019 13: 38
              Quote: Neznaika
              I'm not interested in who forgot what.
              I am asking a specific question: are the boots of the Ukrainian "volunteers" trampling the steppes of Stavropol?
              Or is it the exact opposite?
              Are Ukrainian "lost" paratroopers caught on the territory of Russia or vice versa?

              Guys kill this Bandera troll, or I can’t stand it here .. soldier
              1. +17
                8 December 2019 18: 14
                Quote: Starper-777
                Guys kill this Bandera troll, or I can’t stand it here ..

                So there’s nothing to kill yet request the noise is one ...
              2. +9
                9 December 2019 11: 42
                Quote: Starper-777
                Guys kill this Bandera troll, or I can’t stand it here ..

                calm, only calm .... Yes love
            3. +49
              8 December 2019 14: 31
              The boots of Ukrainian volunteers trampled the land of the Russian Federation in Chechnya - is that enough? They killed and tortured our boys. Ukrainian calculation in 2008 brought down our Tu22. In the year 14, Ukrainian soldiers fired on houses on the territory of the Russian Federation. Ukrainian power steering sent saboteurs to the Crimea. During their capture, two of our soldiers died. Ukrainian generals and politicians on all channels shout that they are at war with Russia, but for some reason they are not declaring war. Th dill is an outright enemy and measures must be taken to it. am
              Well, and if you think that you Russia is fighting with you, then what is the problem? Declare war and fight well. What? Bored? Well, then close. Otherwise, agree to the point that we will get tired of it and we will agree and begin to fight. It’s pure that the horses understand what the war with Russia looks like in practice, and not in ukrosi. am
              And about the ukromovs, I agree with Pushilin. There is no place for her on Russian lands.
              1. +9
                8 December 2019 21: 25
                Quote: g1v2
                Well, and if you think that you Russia is fighting with you, then what is the problem? Declare war and fight well. What? Bored?

                The deputy commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army (UDA) Andriy Gergert called for a full-fledged war with Russia. This is reported by the "Novorossiya" edition.
                Speaking at the “Red Lines” rally in the center of Kiev, he noted that army soldiers are capable of conducting full-fledged military operations and “defeating Russia”. "We are the strongest and smartest people in the world, the most hard-working ..." - said Gergert. It is reported by Rambler.
              2. The comment was deleted.
                1. +15
                  8 December 2019 23: 27
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  the fact that Chechnya defended a just cause in the fight against Russian punishers is evidenced by the fact that some prominent representatives of this proud people now bear the title of Hero of Russia

                  Cool hutspa laughing
                2. +11
                  9 December 2019 11: 26
                  Selective nonsense of course, but after you uncovered, calling our troops punitive, everything is clear with you. request
                  The only thing is not clear where you got out, if not from dill. Where else does this creep and know the Russian language? Sprotlandia, Gabunistan, Canada, Poland? Purely interesting from what dump you hang. Apparently, Russia offended you very much that you already crawled on Russian sites to crap. Come on - keep broadcasting. This is even funny. Feelings are felt in the form of inferiority and impotent malice. You can’t do anything - you just have to hiss.
                3. +4
                  9 December 2019 20: 27
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  Someone immediately remembered the Chechen people's republic and certain punishers who strangled and bombed it.
                  Which became a brothel of all kinds of bandits of all stripes and which came to life after Basayev tried to capture Dagestan.
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  And the fact that Chechnya defended a just cause in the fight against Russian punishers is evidenced by the fact that some prominent representatives of this proud people now bear the title of Hero of Russia.
                  The fact that his father was killed by these "freedom fighters" after realizing where they got themselves into with this freedom is news for you?
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  As saboteurs in Crimea, let's not make people laugh, the audience on this resource is still competent.
                  Above them, the whole world was laughing.
                  Quote: Neznaika
                  By the way, it was a dozen Russian saboteurs in Ukraine that were caught in August 2014.
                  ten? GRU? And what is not "Alpha" right away? There were 10 conscript boys.
                4. +1
                  10 December 2019 09: 27
                  Confirmed by an international authority laughing wassat lol laughing
                  This is something new in anatomy. laughing
                  Ukrainians have found a new body laughing
                  Tribalts have long been using this body, German-Swedish sexturism is called, they improve the gene pool of the tribaltic nation.
              3. 0
                14 December 2019 21: 52
                She has no place anywhere.
            4. +7
              9 December 2019 10: 38
              I answer your:
              Quote: Neznaika
              a specific question: the boots of Ukrainian "volunteers" trample the steppes of Stavropol?

              Ask your own: "Are the murderers of Ukrainian law enforcement soldiers of the winter 2013 model sitting in prison or in the parliament?"
              Or were they not soldiers or Ukrainians?
              Specifically, the answer sounds like this: "The boots of Bandera mercenaries trample the Russian land of Novorossiya, Slobozhanshchina, the Dnieper region, Volhynia and the Carpathian region!"
              And if you are a champion of modern laws, then the ocean of information is direct from foreign sites (if you do not believe the Internet) and there is nothing infa about lawlessness! Here is a vast expanse for indignation!
              Only you have to be consistent and call lawlessness lawlessness, and not even the Ukrainians are possible!
            5. +3
              10 December 2019 01: 44
              Quote: Neznaika
              I'm not interested in who forgot what.
              I am asking a specific question: are the boots of the Ukrainian "volunteers" trampling the steppes of Stavropol?
              Or is it the exact opposite?
              Are Ukrainian "lost" paratroopers caught on the territory of Russia or vice versa?

              what judging by your speeches, you went too far with ukrosvidopropaganda !!! wink wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            6. 0
              10 December 2019 09: 19
              Quote: Neznaika
              I'm not interested in who forgot what.
              I am asking a specific question: are the boots of the Ukrainian "volunteers" trampling the steppes of Stavropol?
              Or is it the exact opposite?
              Are Ukrainian "lost" paratroopers caught on the territory of Russia or vice versa?

              Ukrovermacht boots stick out the Russian land of Donbass. It is high time to give them a knee under ..... And to knock back where they came from to Austria-Hungary.
            7. 0
              10 December 2019 21: 54
              Sorry Dunno, but in my opinion you very correctly chose your him. He is YOU very fit hi
            8. +1
              10 December 2019 22: 33
              Quote: Neznaika
              I am asking a specific question: are the boots of the Ukrainian "volunteers" trampling the steppes of Stavropol?

              They would love to ...
              But who will give them ?!
            9. +1
              11 December 2019 16: 06
              I will answer you. No troops were thrown against the ragul rabble on the Maidan. And they did not scream on all channels about the train station Europe and the suitcase. And they did not declare non-humans. But when people in the southeast opposed the coup, then they got all of the above.
          3. -22
            8 December 2019 13: 33
            Good mister, I recommend that you study events in the Donbass not by pictures, but be present there personally, or make friends and relatives there so that they tell you the whole truth personally, and not in the pictures, who started this and why. Who and why all this continues. Where did more than fifty convoys of humanities go, etc. etc.
            1. +7
              8 December 2019 19: 42
              Quote: Gas smoke protector
              who and why all this began. Who and why all this continues

              Yes, we all remember well. Since the Berkut ...
              1. -5
                9 December 2019 12: 58
                What do you remember from the "golden eagle"? How did the "golden eagle" stand with his hands down and, turning his left cheek, substituted his right?
                1. +6
                  9 December 2019 13: 04
                  You, as a person far from military service, do not know the concept of "order".
                  They were waiting for a team that there was no one to give. leadership betrayed and fled ...
                  PS using absolute irresponsibility burned alive men ...
                  This is what I remember.
                  1. -5
                    9 December 2019 22: 10
                    I am wildly sorry, but I’ll take an interest anyway. In what rank did you end the service, are you our servant? Only honestly.
                    1. +5
                      10 December 2019 00: 03
                      Apologies are accepted )
                      You are too curious ... Number of military unit, military academy, last name of the commander, years of service, tolerances are not of interest to you? Just a title? )))
        3. +30
          8 December 2019 12: 36
          Quote: Neznaika
          What kind of betrayal of the "Slavic brothers", let me ask you?
          "Brothers Slavs" chopped off Taman from Russia?

          They chopped off, of course: Donetsk (Yuzovka), Lugansk, Khprikov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Izmail, Kharkov, etc.
          The "brothers" Had nothing to do with these RUSSIAN cities. forgotten already?
          Quote: Neznaika
          And with languages ​​you need to be more careful. For some reason, we love to vote that Ukrainians oppress the Russian language. Do not go the same path.

          Nobody needs him in FIG. that’s the whole reason. WHERE is oppression?
          Here in RUSSIAN Odessa, there are no Russian schools, this is a crime.

          Got it, no?
        4. +9
          8 December 2019 12: 57
          An eye for an eye has not been canceled.
        5. +8
          8 December 2019 13: 05
          Like, what about me?
          feel
        6. +1
          9 December 2019 14: 12
          Quote: Neznaika
          Do not go the same path.

          and why, in fact, is not worth it?
      2. +6
        8 December 2019 11: 14
        Quote: Starper-777

        I agree, this mov is already associated with punitive bloody operations in the Donbas .. I used to love Ukrainian songs and generally speaking (I have many relatives and my first wife is a thoroughbred hohlushka ..) But now I can’t

        It's like that. But ... I suppose Pushilin made an unforgivable mistake. As in my opinion, it was necessary to dance from the stove - i.e. initiate the adoption of the law on MANDATORY learning of the Ukrainian language. And, believe me, I would not have to force philologists-Ukrainianists to retrain as philologists-Russianists; they would do it themselves. And Ivan Prikhodko would not be indignant, and tension in society would not have arisen. SO WISHED THE PEOPLE, everything, that says it all. And there are no complaints against Pushilin. The result would be the same, but no one would be indignant.
        In short, - no need to break through the knee. Everything can be done wisely.
        1. +16
          8 December 2019 12: 07
          Dunno ...
          Yes, the "brothers-Slavs" do not really trample the steppes of Stavropol, but they have a criminal intent to do so, as they have stated more than once. Therefore, do not wait for understanding, condescension, and even more gratitude for not being trampled.
          As for the Ukrainian language, let it be the state language where the majority speaks it as a dialect of Russian (partly villageism, partly the notion of a pseudo-scientific fraternity), in Ukraine. It is unlikely that any of us will be against it.
          1. -11
            8 December 2019 17: 10
            Quote: depressant

            Yes, the "brothers-Slavs" do not really trample the steppes of Stavropol, but they have a criminal intent to do so, as they have stated more than once.

            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, you should not take seriously the words of some Ukrainians about their intention to "trample the steppes of Stavropol." In fact, this stuffing is done with one purpose - to show its significance. None of them even dream of real joining the same Kuban.
            Quote: depressant
            ... where on it as in a dialect of Russian (partly - villageism, partly - pseudoscientific notions

            A bit wrong. In fact, the Ukrainian language is not a dialect of Russian. Initially, the language was called Slavic. The development of the Slavic language went in many ways. In our territory - in three: in the territory of Ukraine it has evolved into the Ukrainian language, in the territory of Belarus into Belarusian, and in our country into Russian.
            Quote: depressant
            As for the Ukrainian language, let it be the state language where it is ...

            Thinner is necessary, more delicate. Adopt a law on bilingualism. This will make it possible to conduct paperwork in Russian, everything will be in Russian everywhere (I mean Donbass) and there will be no ban on the Ukrainian language. But ... to study it in schools, with the adoption of the relevant law, is purely voluntary. And he himself will die without any prohibitions. And no radish will blame the LDNR authorities for the destruction of the Ukrainian language. Because he, along with Russian, is the state language.
            1. +5
              8 December 2019 17: 44
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And he himself will die without any prohibitions. And no radish will blame the LDNR authorities for the destruction of the Ukrainian language. Because he, along with the Russian, - official language

              Learn the words:

              Quote: State language
              A language that performs the integration function within the framework of a given state in the political, social, economic and cultural spheres, and acts as a symbol of this state. The language of state administrative texts, laws, orders, training, mass media, etc.

              Attention, the question is: how can die state language?
              The correct answer: no way. Only together with the state Yes
              1. -10
                8 December 2019 20: 38
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Attention, the question is: how can the state language die?

                You, in your fervor just to contradict me, have forgotten a very simple essence, - the law says two official languages. One of which dies as unnecessary. Because no one uses it. In this situation, the state will die?
                You are trying to position yourself as an intelligent person, and at the same time you are proposing to do what the Nazis do in Ukraine - they prohibit the Russian language. In the Donbass there are a sufficient number of people who consider Ukrainian their native language. This should be respected. No prohibitions !!! Let it be the second state. language in LDNR, let them show an example to Natsiks in Ukraine. Let them set an example of respect for their citizens. This will wiselyand banning the Ukrainian language it will be revenge.
                Do you like the second more?
                1. +7
                  8 December 2019 21: 16
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  You ... offer to do what the Nazis do in Ukraine - prohibit the Russian language

                  It seemed to you. Well, or even then let's quote, where "I suggest it."

                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  the law speaks of two state languages. One of which dies as unnecessary

                  Does not die.

                  In Canada, for example, there are two state. languages ​​- angelic and French. And not one of them "died", and is not going to ... the language in which, in particular, the document circulation in the state is going on, cannot die out like this, by itself. It's very simple ... buddy.

                  When you learn this portion - go for the next, I have them Yes
                  1. -9
                    8 December 2019 21: 29
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    It seemed to you. Well, or even then let's quote, where "I suggest it."

                    If not, I apologize. You just stand on the side of those who "approve" Pushilin.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Does not die.

                    Here you are again, as I understood from a great mind, comparing the soft with the warm, comparing LDNR with Canada. I will not explain the differences - not a horse feed.

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    When you learn this portion - go for the next, I have them

                    With this portion you have shown your myopia and complete misunderstanding of the topic.
                    I advise you not to give out the next portion, otherwise you will be deleted from the list of adequate ones.
                    1. +7
                      8 December 2019 21: 34
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You are on the side of those who "approve" Pushilin

                      This is the second time that something seemed to you request

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      I will not explain the differences - not in the horse feed

                      Man, don’t bother, it’s not for adult boys.

                      There are two states in which there are two states. language. In one (in Canada) - nothing is dying, in LDNR, according to your statement - it is simply obliged to die out.

                      This, IMHO, is nonsense ... well, or, at least, needs proof.

                      * submission of controversial "facts" as well-known is a typical troll trick ... do not aggravate wink

                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You are removed from the list of adequate

                      You or what? Your friend doesn’t bother me at all ...

                      Somehow Yes
                      1. -9
                        8 December 2019 21: 51
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        nothing dies away, in LDNR, according to your statement - it is simply obliged to die out.

                        A quote about - must die in the studio!
                      2. +7
                        8 December 2019 21: 59
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        A quote about - must die in the studio!

                        Sclerosis? wink

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Adopt a law on bilingualism. This will make it possible to conduct paperwork in Russian, everything will be in Russian everywhere (I mean Donbass) and there will be no ban on the Ukrainian language. But ... to study it in schools, with the adoption of the relevant law, is purely voluntary. And he himself will die without any prohibitions

                        Please request

                        Once again, buddy: the state language can not "die". A-priory Yes
                      3. -9
                        8 December 2019 23: 52
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        he himself will die without any prohibitions

                        Well, where is it here -
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        must die
                        ?
                        And ... "buddy" tell your dad.
                      4. +6
                        9 December 2019 00: 26
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Well, where is here - Quote: Golovan Jack must die?

                        Well, you literally-e-eed ... Okay. Not "must die," but "inevitably die." So - will it suit? wink

                        That essence, as it were, does not change ... my friend laughing
                      5. -9
                        9 December 2019 10: 04
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, you literally-e-eed ... Okay. Not "must die" but "inevitably die."

                        As I understand it, the Sharikam (or Barbosam?) Cannot understand all the subtleties of the Russian language. Well, that's right, they don’t need it. hi
                      6. +8
                        9 December 2019 10: 49
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Balls (or Barbots?) Can not understand all the subtleties of the Russian language

                        This is hutspa request

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I understand

                        For the third time it seemed to you. It's ... disturbing, buddy laughing
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            2. +1
              8 December 2019 19: 06
              Tell the Bulgarians that their language is villageism from Church Slavonic. They will mature.
              1. -6
                8 December 2019 20: 23
                Quote: mehan
                Tell the Bulgarians that their language is villageism from Church Slavonic. They will mature.

                No, this is not "villageism", this is the development of the Slavic language on the territory of Bulgaria.
                1. +1
                  8 December 2019 20: 53
                  Remind you of the code and where did the "Bulgarians" come from on the territory of present-day Bulgaria?
                  Maybe then remember who lived there BEFORE them, and what was the name? And what language did he speak ......
                  1. -5
                    8 December 2019 21: 07
                    Quote: mehan
                    Remind you of the code and where did the "Bulgarians" come from on the territory of present-day Bulgaria?
                    Maybe then remember who lived there BEFORE them, and what was the name? And what language did he speak ......

                    Does this somehow cancel the presence of the Bulgarian language? Or do not you refer the Bulgarians to the Slavic branch of peoples?
                    1. +2
                      8 December 2019 21: 23
                      So they didn’t remember .....
                      1. -4
                        8 December 2019 21: 37
                        Quote: mehan
                        So they didn’t remember .....

                        From what ? I remember, so what?
                        You bought an apartment from people who lived in it before you. And what do you care, who are they and what language did they speak? You speak yours and you are a Slav.
                      2. +1
                        9 December 2019 21: 42
                        The ancestors of my ancestors were antes. My surname, by the way, is on the DNA map, and just in my area.
                        But the Bulgarians, just in present-day Bulgaria, are not so long ago. Like the Magyars in Hungary. And where did they come from, it is known for certain
                        I have a job. I know the history of my people, but I don’t need a stranger. Well, without pretending to be a descendant of Scythians, for example):
                        Ask the linguists who the Bulgarians are.
                      3. 0
                        10 December 2019 09: 34
                        Where did the Hungarians and Bulgarians come from in Europe? From the Russian Federation. They used to live on the Volga
                      4. 0
                        10 December 2019 10: 47
                        Quote: mehan
                        My last name, by the way, is on the DNA map,

                        Masterpiece !!!
                2. +2
                  8 December 2019 21: 32
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Quote: mehan
                  Tell the Bulgarians that their language is villageism from Church Slavonic. They will mature.

                  No, this is not "villageism", this is the development of the Slavic language on the territory of Bulgaria.

                  Friends! Do not fight!
                  1. -4
                    8 December 2019 21: 46
                    Quote: major147
                    Friends! Do not fight!

                    Major, thanks. They don’t believe me, so at least they’ll understand it, looking at the diagram that Ukrainian is not a dialect of Russian, it is a dialect of the East Slavic language, like Russian and Belarusian.
                    1. +1
                      8 December 2019 22: 11
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Major, thanks.

                      Do not thank! drinks
                    2. +1
                      9 December 2019 21: 47
                      Alas. Russian, "constructively", is very different from Ukrainian and Belarusian. And Polish.
                      And the difference can be understood only by being fluent in all these languages.
                      And on that "tree", by the way, three languages, like, were simultaneously stratified.
                      I painfully recall what language they spoke in Kiev when they gave the princess to marry a descendant of the Merovingians?
                      And in Moscow, in those same years?
                      1. 0
                        10 December 2019 10: 43
                        Quote: mehan
                        I painfully recall what language was spoken in Kiev,

                        You will not believe, on the same as in Kiev, Pskov, Novgorod, Chernihiv, etc.
                    3. 0
                      11 December 2019 16: 19
                      I'll argue a bit. There was one language (in which books were written), local dialects should not be considered separate languages. Then the country was divided into parts. But even in the 16th century, if I am not mistaken, Smotritsky wrote a textbook by which they taught their native language until the end of the 18th century on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia. We call this textbook Ukrainian - but this is nonsense. At that time, there was no such people as Ukrainians. And Ukrmova began with "kulishovka".
                      1. -1
                        11 December 2019 16: 41
                        Quote: Maverick78
                        At that time, there was no such people as Ukrainians. And Ukrmova began with "kulishovka".

                        And how do you imagine this? How can a people, illiterate, be taught a new language for him? Everything was much simpler. As a result of the political fragmentation of the territories of the former Russia, the once unified language began to change: in the territory of present Belarus under the influence of Poland, Lithuania, in the territory of present Ukraine under the influence of Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria, in the territory of present Russia under the influence of the tribes that make up Russia ( somewhere - Mordovians, somewhere Tatars, somewhere Finns, etc.) I.e. the change in language was everywhere, but due to the fact that different influences had on the original language, the changes were different. As a result of these changes, which took more than a century, similar, but different languages ​​appeared - Belarusian, Russian and Ukrainian.
            3. 0
              8 December 2019 23: 13
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              In fact, the Ukrainian language is not a dialect of Russian. Initially, the language was called Slavic. The development of the Slavic language went in many ways. In our territory - in three: in the territory of Ukraine it has evolved into the Ukrainian language, in the territory of Belarus into Belarusian, and in our country into Russian.

              I cannot name the source, but I have already read several times that the modern Russian language was "created" by professors from Kiev University, who removed outdated and outdated rules and thereby actually created the language in which we all now speak. But modern Ukrainian is not a separate development of Russian, it is the artificial removal of the local common dialect from the literary original. About the same as modern Belarusian.
              1. -4
                8 December 2019 23: 57
                Quote: the most important

                I cannot name the source, but I have already read several times that the modern Russian language was "created" by professors from Kiev University, who removed

                Yes, we know. And Cyril and Methodius gave us writing, and the Ukrainians dug the Black Sea, and a lot of things for us "sivolapyh" did. We all know. wassat
                1. 0
                  9 December 2019 21: 55
                  As for the sea, someone fasted and forgot. And people didn’t forget .... people hawala ...):
                  About writing is even easier. HOW was the writing of Russia called, BEFORE Cyril and Methodius?
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2019 10: 39
                    Quote: mehan

                    About writing is even easier. HOW was the writing of Russia called, BEFORE Cyril and Methodius?

                    Glagolitic
              2. +1
                9 December 2019 21: 53
                Wrong.
                Not from the university, but from the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
                Alexander Sergeevich smoothed it. It is enough to read in which language he wrote, in which Taras.
                Modern Ukrainian is an evolutionary development of the language. For example, I note that it has changed in fifty years. No abrupt changes, over the centuries, have been noted by anyone. Rase, the Astro-Hungarian General Staff, which "invented" the Ukrainian language in WWI.)))):
          2. +2
            8 December 2019 19: 04
            Villageism!
            Five points.
    2. -6
      8 December 2019 13: 47
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Yes, and rightly so

      As soon as the Russian language began to be banned in Ukraine, we all (including myself) foamed because of the stupidity and just crime of the Natsik of Ukraine, and how do the pro-Russian regions do the same, we welcome? Well, no, I personally am strongly against such prohibitions. Donbass - Ukrainian region, two languages ​​should be legalized.
      1. +7
        8 December 2019 15: 11
        Quote: raw174
        Donbass - Ukrainian region

        Russian.
      2. -1
        8 December 2019 20: 49
        Quote: raw174
        Quote: GKS 2111
        Yes, and rightly so

        As soon as the Russian language began to be banned in Ukraine, we all (including myself) foamed because of the stupidity and just crime of the Natsik of Ukraine, and how do the pro-Russian regions do the same, we welcome? Well, no, I personally am strongly against such prohibitions. Donbass - Ukrainian region, two languages ​​should be legalized.

        It's not about whose region it is. Actually, Donbass, historically - the Russian region. But since it happened that a fairly large number of Ukrainians live there, we must take this into account. The fact is that the state, whatever it may be, should respect its citizens with respect, do not be like the Nazis.
        After all, why do the Nazis in Ukraine prohibit the Russian language? Yes, simply because the Russian language wins in the "competition" with the Ukrainian. This is an objective reality. And to prevent the dying off of the Ukrainian language, they prohibit Russian. Than they commit a crime against the Russians living in Ukraine.
      3. +3
        9 December 2019 02: 31
        Donbass is territorially adjacent to Ukraine, this is the first. It is either ridiculous or impossible at all to choose analogues of scientific and political terms on a mov, this is a rural dialect - this is the second. The two indicated grounds are sufficient for rejecting language as a state language. However, there are no restrictions on the study. Folk songs, tales, bargaining in the bazaar on the MOV sound wonderful, even with the obvious poverty of the vocabulary. Pushilin’s right decision, functional separation is justified.
        1. -1
          9 December 2019 22: 01
          Stupidity wrote. You did not read school books, in Ukrainian. More Soviet. They were written by very cool specialists.
          As for technical and scientific terms, I’m disappointing you, in the current Russian language, 95% of borrowings. In Ukrainian, no less. As a consolation I’ll say that in English, before the fig of German technical terms, and no one is steamed.
          About the "poverty" of vocabulary, it is you absolutely indecent blurted out liquid.
          I remember from school that in the Ukrainian language, there are 17 synonyms for winter precipitation of different intensities. What?
  2. +4
    8 December 2019 06: 26
    If you want to move, study optionally. I think it is time for comrades Mayor Ivan Prikhodko and Deputy Minister of Education and Science of the DPR Andrei Udovenko to write yellow tickets and prohibitions on professions.
    1. +10
      8 December 2019 07: 43
      I think it is time for comrades Mayor Ivan Prikhodko and Deputy Minister of Education and Science of the DPR Andrei Udovenko to write yellow tickets and prohibitions on professions.
      But I think that the residents of Gorlovka will somehow figure out what measures they need without you. And Ivan Sergeyevich needs to focus on economic issues and not flattery in politics ......
    2. -12
      8 December 2019 08: 47
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      If you want to move, study optionally. I think it is time for comrades Mayor Ivan Prikhodko and Deputy Minister of Education and Science of the DPR Andrei Udovenko to write yellow tickets and prohibitions on professions.

      And how do you differ from the Bandera authorities in Kiev? They have exactly the same attitude only to the Russian language. Let me remind you that there are three state languages ​​in Crimea, and Pushilin’s initiative on the eve of the meeting of the Norman four is a provocation. On whose side he stands, guess three times.
      1. +11
        8 December 2019 09: 06
        Boris 55 - have you tried with neighbors, for example, to communicate in a computer language verbally, or also verbally using Morse code - "dot dot, dash, dash, dot, dot" ??? Such communication turns out stupid! And why should people speak in an invented and ukroinsky language imposed on them? ??
        1. -6
          8 December 2019 09: 14
          Quote: Thrifty
          And why should people speak fictitious, and imposed on them ukroinsky language?

          Do you think that Ukrainian schools in LDNR appeared in 2014? I doubt it very much. I spent my school years (from 3rd to 10th grade) in Belarus and there, as a Russian by nationality, I was released only from writing, and I taught literature and I do not regret it, although with age almost everything weathered for unnecessary in communication.

          And about the fictional language - this is to the Tower of Babel.
          Have you tried to read the ancient Russian scriptures, if so, do you understand everything there?

          1. +12
            8 December 2019 10: 18
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you think that Ukrainian schools in LDNR appeared in 2014?

            They appeared when the Ukrainianization project began to be implemented in the USSR.
            Quote: Boris55
            And about the fictional language - this is to the Tower of Babel.

            Why, to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
            1. -7
              8 December 2019 10: 34
              Quote: Dart2027
              to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

              This is a consequence, and it all started here:



              "The Babylonian tower (Hebrew מיגְדָּל בָּבֶל Migdal Báel) is a tower to which the biblical tradition is dedicated, set forth in the 11th chapter of the book of Genesis (Genesis 11: 1-9). According to this legend, after the Flood, humanity was represented one people who spoke the same language.From the east, people came to the land of Shinar (in the lower reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates), where they decided to build a city called Babylon, and a tower to heaven, to “make a name for themselves.” The construction of the tower was interrupted by God, which the made people speak different languages, which is why they no longer understand each other, could not continue building the city and the tower, and were scattered throughout the earth. Thus, the story of the Tower of Babel explains the emergence of different languages ​​after the Flood. "

              I doubt that God did this. The Atlanteans who survived the flood did this. Even today they are building the World in the image and likeness which they once brought to the apocalypse, in the hope that they will again be able to survive.
              1. +8
                8 December 2019 12: 11
                Quote: Boris55
                This is a consequence, but it all began

                I do not know what happened then, but the Ukraine project was invented in AB.
                1. 0
                  8 December 2019 20: 45
                  So the proto-ukry was building the Tower of Babel! And only the fact that then not everyone owned the "movoy" disrupted the construction. fellow
                  But in essence, above Krasnoyarsk proposed a more correct option with the translation of the "Ukrainian language" into the status of "optional for study", albeit while maintaining the status of the second state language. Where they are not used, he himself will leave, and for those who wish to know electives, circles, etc. to help them.
                  It's a little thinner, but the result will be the same.
                  1. +1
                    8 December 2019 21: 24
                    Quote: volodimer
                    suggested a more correct option with the translation of the "Ukrainian language" into the status of "optional to study"
                    In theory. In practice, this means that schools will have to keep teachers, just in case, who will have nothing to do. What for? After all, they did not begin to cancel it immediately, but only after several years, that is, clearly not from the bay-floundering.
                    1. 0
                      8 December 2019 21: 33
                      Optional, circle ... This means that where there is a desire, teachers with knowledge of the Ukrainian language on an additional basis can work part-time outside school hours ... They naturally will not maintain a separate staff unit.
                      Payment at the discretion, there are funds, then maybe from the budget, no ... but they are always gone, then collect from interested parties.
                      1. 0
                        9 December 2019 20: 22
                        Quote: volodimer
                        Optional, circle ... This means that where there is a desire, teachers with knowledge of the Ukrainian language on an additional basis can work part-time outside school hours ...

                        And they can do it now. Nobody seems to prohibit opening private training in the Ukrainian language.
                        Quote: volodimer
                        This means that where there is a desire, teachers with knowledge of the Ukrainian language

                        The fact that I speak Russian does not make me a ready-made teacher. The teacher of the Ukrainian language should be.
            2. -1
              8 December 2019 19: 09
              Read the Valuevsky treatise. About what language and when was forbidden.
              1. +2
                8 December 2019 19: 53
                Quote: mehan
                Valuevsky treatise

                “The majority of Little Russians themselves very thoroughly prove that there was no special Little Russian language, there is not and cannot be, and that their dialect, used by the common people, there is the same Russian language, spoiled by the influence of Poland on it... »
                1. -2
                  8 December 2019 21: 02
                  Well, look for Kobzar of the unforgettable Taras, in Little Russian.
                  Forty years ago, I happened to keep a brochure of his poems in Ukrainian, a lifetime edition. No difference except the font.
                  And, this ... drop about the Austro-Hungarian General Staff, able to come up with a new language.
                  1. +1
                    8 December 2019 21: 20
                    Quote: mehan
                    in Little Russian
                    that is, there was no Ukrainian at that time, but there was some kind of village dialect.
                    Quote: mehan
                    throw about the Austro-Hungarian General Staff, able to invent a new language
                    rather a new people.
                    1. -1
                      9 December 2019 22: 13
                      So, there was no "German" before the unification of Germany, after Valuevsky, by the way.):
                      There was a language, and as they called it in Zalesye, nobody was interested.
                      Well, yes, immediately thirty million new people. And before that, there was an empty steppe. Was
                      1. 0
                        10 December 2019 19: 55
                        Quote: mehan
                        So, there was no "German" before the unification of Germany, after Valuevsky, by the way

                        You mean, the fact that Germany has united finally overcoming the consequences of feudal fragmentation into one country with one people?
                        Quote: mehan
                        Well, yes, immediately thirty million new people. And before that, there
                        Russians lived, who later began to be convinced that they were Ukrainians.
                  2. 0
                    11 December 2019 16: 42
                    I disagree. Even 10 years ago there was such a thing in "advanced" schools. The so-called Russianisms were "removed" from the Ukrainian language and analogues from the Western dialect were introduced.
          2. 0
            8 December 2019 17: 24
            - Well, where is Old Russian ... This is a fragment from the Bible - i.e. history after the birth of Christ:
            - "In the beginning was the Word, And the Word was God, and God was the word ... Old Church Slavonic ...
        2. -12
          8 December 2019 09: 57
          You tell this to the Ukrainians. Fascism somewhat smacks of.
          1. +10
            8 December 2019 12: 41
            Quote: Fraancol_2
            You tell this to the Ukrainians. Fascism somewhat smacks of.

            Fascism STUNKS from .n.nu "Ukraine", invaded Donbass and killed thousands of its inhabitants
        3. +1
          8 December 2019 14: 42
          Vietnam, Libya. Iraq, Yugoslavia ... Let's "remove" the English language.
          1. +3
            8 December 2019 15: 14
            I am for! But only with the destruction of the distributor states!
        4. +2
          8 December 2019 19: 58
          Lean. It is a pity that these words are not heard by Kovpak, partisans and those millions of Ukrainians who fought against the Nazis and their accomplices.
        5. -1
          8 December 2019 20: 55
          Quote: Thrifty

          Boris 55 - you have tried with neighbors, for example, to communicate in a computer language verbally, or also verbally using Morse code - "dot dot, dash, dash

          By asking such a stupid question, you showed that you did not understand Ukrainian realities at all. There is no person in Ukraine who does not understand the Ukrainian language, just as there is no person in Ukraine who does not understand Russian. Therefore, they communicate freely, on surzhik !!!
          If you forbid something, then you show your helplessness, your weakness, your powerlessness.
          1. -4
            8 December 2019 21: 10
            Surzhik quickly washed away. Among young people, it becomes fashionable to speak a literary language, that's cool. Moreover, easily and naturally moving from Ukrainian to English.
            1. 0
              8 December 2019 21: 17
              Quote: mehan
              Surzhik quickly washed away. Among young people, it becomes fashionable to speak a literary language, that's cool. Moreover, easily and naturally moving from Ukrainian to English.

              Do you even believe in what you wrote? You wishful thinking? If you heard the announcement in the metro in Kiev in Aglitsky, this does not mean at all that Ukrainian youth are massively switching to English, and even literary.
              1. -2
                9 December 2019 22: 28
                Nope, I don’t believe it.): I don’t believe my ears!
                He was hanging around Odessa for a month, he was being treated at the hospital, that one in the center, the youngsters spirited smartly in Ukrainian! Yes, so clean, I really know!
                I asked, native Odessa, why so? He enlightened. He says that languages ​​are taught by all who can. To know a lot of them is prestigious. Monolingual guy and girls do not give.):
                And to know at the level of cattle, it is cattle to be.
                I'm not talking about a gopot.
                My children speak English from first grade. Son, he studied at the aviation (former KIIGA), the language of teaching is English. ALL items. Daughter, four Slavic, English, German sensitive, Fran teaches hunting.
                And, do not make of this cult.
                In Kiev, young people speak a lot of foreign, just leaping like a shift while pressing. And Kiev sets the trend.
                You may not believe, of course, I do not insist.
                To convince you, is not included in my tasks.))):
                1. -1
                  10 December 2019 10: 38
                  Quote: mehan
                  My children speak English from first grade.

                  If they already spoke aglitsky in the first grade, then probably you trained them before?
                  You must be able to lie.
          2. 0
            14 December 2019 22: 32
            I have! Never understood him
            from early childhood. I skipped Ukrainian lessons,
            and demonstratively.
      2. +2
        8 December 2019 16: 50
        Boris55 (Boris) Today, 08: 47

        The imposition of language in compulsory programs is a political step and is not related to common sense and the interests of the people. And the Bandera authorities in Kiev are well aware of this, unlike you ..
      3. -3
        8 December 2019 18: 35
        Boris55 (Boris) Today, 08: 47

        in the Crimea everyone is obligatory learning Tatar? feel Yes, and how do you differ from the Bandera authorities in Kiev?
    3. NKT
      -1
      8 December 2019 11: 08

      From the second to eleventh grade, it is studied in all general educational institutions of the Republic along with Russian and foreign languages.

      I wonder why he studies so long? What's so complicated?
      1. +2
        8 December 2019 20: 48
        It’s hard to remember how to distort simple words correctly. What is unnatural is difficult to remember.
    4. -2
      9 December 2019 07: 55
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      If you want to move, study optionally.

      With this approach, we are no better than the Natsiks on that side ...
  3. +11
    8 December 2019 06: 45
    a wonderful miracle ... to study the Ukrainian language ... my grandfather, originally from the Rostov region, from the Don, spoke Ukrainian, Polish and Russian ... when he served in the NKVD in Turkestan, he perfectly studied Uzbek and spoken Tajik (about Turkmen not I speak, he is like Uzbek) ... I taught Ukrainian at the age of 5, I read books freely later. But the current "Ukrainian" I do not understand at all. I am stupid, the campaign is 50 years old ... it's just to study.
    1. Ham
      +2
      8 December 2019 07: 44
      Quote: polar fox
      ovored in Ukrainian, Polish and Russian
      ,
      perfectly studied Uzbek and conversational Tajik (I don’t speak about Turkmen, it’s like Uzbek)

      both in the first and in the second case, these are the languages ​​of one group of Slavic and Arabic
      in principle, if you know one of the languages, you can easily learn others
      an example is Russian-Ukrainian, knowing for example Uzbek, you can easily communicate with Tatars and Bashkirs, Kazakhs ...
      but it’s more difficult with Tajiks - they have Farsi - belonging to the Iranian group
      1. 0
        8 December 2019 07: 45
        Quote: Ham
        both in the first and in the second case, these are the languages ​​of one group of Slavic and Arabic

        this is not the point, but the fact that there is nothing complicated, for someone who wants to know.
        1. Ham
          +5
          8 December 2019 07: 51
          but how many languages ​​do you know? Ukrainian does not count ...
          languages ​​need ability - like mathematics - easily foreign languages ​​learn units
          I learned German at school for 6 years + 4 years at the institute (I taught !!!) and learned only "you ist das" yes "ain, zwein) ...
          but the Uzbek taught in elementary school for two years, however, living in Uzbekistan and constantly communicating with the speakers I speak it not bad ... although I have been living in Russia since 91.
          1. 0
            8 December 2019 07: 53
            well-one ... spoke a little Tatar, ...)))
      2. +3
        8 December 2019 11: 46
        Well, if not Arabic! At this point, you bent: Uzbek, Tatar, Turkmen-Turkic group.
        1. Ham
          -2
          8 December 2019 11: 56
          Quote: Xenofont
          Turkic

          And Turkic is not from Arabic? it's a matter of terminology ...
          1. 0
            8 December 2019 11: 58
            So reasoning, yes, all languages ​​have gone from one. The term "group" is interpreted unambiguously.
          2. +2
            8 December 2019 15: 00
            Quote: Ham
            Quote: Xenofont
            Turkic

            And Turkic is not from Arabic? it's a matter of terminology ...

            No, not from Arabic. The ancestral home of the Turkic language is Central Siberia, from there went the tribes of Turks throughout Asia. And Arabic belongs to the Semitic group of the Semitic-Hamitic (Afrasian) family of languages, in the modern world it belongs to: Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, etc. It will be interesting in the internet you can find more info.
            1. Ham
              0
              8 December 2019 18: 39
              Arabs put Arabic (pan-Arabism, yeah) Ottomans at the forefront - Turkic (pan-Turkism, but as you wanted) ... this is something akin to a dispute between Russians and Trypillians - whose language came from
          3. +1
            8 December 2019 19: 14
            Quote: Ham
            And Turkic is not from Arabic?

            No, it belongs to the Altai language family
            Turkic group:
            Turkish
            Kyrgyz
            Uzbek
            Azerbaijani
            Yakut
            Turkmen
            Kazakh
            Tatar. Arabic refers to the Afrasian (Semitic-Hamitic) family:
            арабский
            Hebrew
            Ancient Egyptian * (dead language)
          4. 0
            9 December 2019 02: 01
            No, not from Arabic. Completely different languages.
      3. +1
        8 December 2019 18: 54
        It seems Farsi is easier to learn. All the same, there is a common Indo-European relationship with the Russian
      4. 0
        9 December 2019 01: 53
        Not Arab, but Turkic. Arabic and Turkic languages ​​are very different.
  4. +4
    8 December 2019 06: 47
    I wonder what will happen next and what will be the reaction of the "independent".
  5. Ham
    +3
    8 December 2019 07: 34
    It is noteworthy that all UKRSKY teachers instantly changed their shoes into RUSSIAN teachers ...
    who is there talking about "non-brotherhood"?
    1. -4
      8 December 2019 09: 19
      Quote: Ham
      It is noteworthy that all UKRSKY teachers instantly changed their shoes into RUSSIAN teachers ...
      who is there talking about "non-brotherhood"?

      Of course you are brothers laughing how many groans were on the exclusion of teaching Russian in Ukrainian schools, and now full approval when it comes to teaching the Ukrainian language in schools of the DPR.
      1. Ham
        +10
        8 December 2019 09: 37
        what did you think?
        people like you in 2014 were also surprised "how is it like that - before the Russians were killed with impunity, and now they began to kill in response"
        revenge is a cold dish
        1. Erg
          +5
          8 December 2019 10: 52
          Revenge is a dish served cold.
      2. +6
        8 December 2019 12: 47
        Quote: Semurg
        how many groans were on the exclusion of teaching Russian in Ukrainian schools, and now full approval when it comes to teaching the Ukrainian language in schools of the DPR.

        Do not want to teach him in the DNI, NO wanting. Therefore, it will not be.

        But in Ukraine, on the contrary, there are MILLIONS of people who want to know and teach him, but he is NOT.

        We don’t see the difference? belay
      3. +1
        8 December 2019 18: 30
        Quote: Semurg
        how many groans were on the exclusion of teaching Russian in Ukrainian schools

        You, most importantly, do not forget about the groans of Arman Shuraev, Yes
  6. +9
    8 December 2019 07: 39
    Egor, thanks for the article - I thought I won’t wait to discuss the topic No. 1 of the DPR mass media on the pages of VO.


    Mayor of Horlivka Ivan Prikhodko actively opposed the initiative of the chapter, which was first voiced in the first half of November. He put forward standard arguments that the more people know languages, the better that discrimination on the basis of language cannot be allowed and that their children almost they study Ukrainian with enthusiasm.

    Prikhodko, most likely trying on her work and life experience on her own children, and at the subconscious level. And the arguments are secondary.
  7. 0
    8 December 2019 07: 58
    I'm shocked! laughing When five years ago, nationalists in Kiev pushed through a similar bill on the rise of patriotism, you remember how it ended ...
    When Ukrainian legislatively began to dominate Hungarian in the national schools of Transcarpathia, we also know that the Hungarians took their tail.
    Now Pushilin decided to fight with languages ​​... Moreover, the rhetoric used to say that all the same in the Donbass everyone speaks Russian, and it turns out that it turns out that they even study in school for the fifth year!
    In all three cases, I would like to ask the organizers of these laws a question: do you have nothing more to do? All problems resolved in countries? No poverty? No unemployment?
    What are you, like those dogs in the proverb that have nothing to do, so they lick themselves Faberge?
    1. +1
      8 December 2019 08: 52
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I'm shocked! laughing When five years ago, nationalists in Kiev pushed through a similar bill on the rise of patriotism, you remember how it ended ...
      When Ukrainian legislatively began to dominate Hungarian in the national schools of Transcarpathia, we also know that the Hungarians took their tail.
      Now Pushilin decided to fight with languages ​​... Moreover, the rhetoric used to say that all the same in the Donbass everyone speaks Russian, and it turns out that it turns out that they even study in school for the fifth year!
      In all three cases, I would like to ask the organizers of these laws a question: do you have nothing more to do? All problems resolved in countries? No poverty? No unemployment?
      What are you, like those dogs in the proverb that have nothing to do, so they lick themselves Faberge?


      Best comment! hi
      Among the supporters of the militia, Russia has a lot of Ukrainians. The Ukrainian language remains a part of Russian and Soviet culture (films, songs, humor, ...) without translation.
      Why now is this provocation to Pushilin ?? !!
      1. +1
        8 December 2019 11: 32
        samarin1969 hi
        Among the supporters of the militia, Russia has a lot of Ukrainians
        ... Imagine this situation. Militiamen are sitting in one trench. A Russian and a Ukrainian, and suddenly a Russian speaks to his comrade in arms, don’t dare to speak Ukrainian with me ... The front turned into reinforced concrete ... laughing ... The stump is clear that the provocation ... When there is no agreement in the comrades, their case will not work ... LDNR, a suitcase without a handle, and leave it miserable and hard to bear .. It is necessary that he himself fall out of his hands .. like, the locks broke and everything fell ...
    2. +2
      8 December 2019 12: 51
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      All problems resolved in countries? No poverty? No unemployment?
      What are you, like those dogs in the proverb that have nothing to do, so they lick themselves Faberge?

      You do not have such a problem, because you live in the Russian region.

      In other regions and republics, this is a sore and important issue and always stand and cause fierce battles.
  8. +10
    8 December 2019 09: 13
    Well, and what’s surprising, it’s just a return to its historical roots. At one time, there was also a process of Ukrainization of the annexed Russian regions, which are called Novorossia. I have a photo of newspaper articles about the forced Ukrainization of Kharkov and the region, but I can’t insert it here, it says that the extension is wrong, and I’m not very good at the computer.
    1. -3
      8 December 2019 19: 14
      Stupidity wrote.
      As Kharkiv declare.
      1. +8
        8 December 2019 19: 32
        Quote: mehan
        Stupidity wrote.

        Lenin committed stupidity when he gave the southeast to Ukraine.
        Quote: mehan
        As Kharkiv declare.

        "tell" the editor of this newspaper:
        ,
        1. -5
          8 December 2019 21: 19
          No older newspapers?
      2. 0
        9 December 2019 07: 58
        Let me drop it in the mail, you’ll be very surprised.
        1. -1
          9 December 2019 21: 06
          Yes, in my attic of old newspapers ... like shoe polish.
          That's just about languages ​​in Kharkov, I do not know from newspapers.

          And these, in the article ... yes, at least let them communicate in sign language.
          Dolphins, lo and behold.
          1. 0
            10 December 2019 09: 15
            This is a newspaper for 1926, then even your house was not in the project, and you're talking about newspapers in the attic. Well, you're freaking out.
  9. +2
    8 December 2019 09: 35
    I do not understand, but what is the problem? Make the only state one language, so that all documentation everywhere is in the same language. After all, the Russian language is also the state language in the Russian Federation, but English is taught at the school ...
  10. +5
    8 December 2019 09: 58
    Really, why is the Ukrainian language in the Donbass? The abolition of it will contribute to strengthening the national identity of the population, which means that this is another step on the road to building the Russian world
    1. -4
      8 December 2019 11: 36
      Indeed, why is the Russian language used in Ukraine, the Baltic states, the Transcaucasus, Belarus, Moldova, Central Asia? The abolition of it will contribute to the strengthening of the national identity of the population, which means this is another step on the road to strengthening Russophobia ...
      1. 0
        8 December 2019 11: 40
        There is also such a point of view, I am opposed to the strengthening of Russophobia and, consequently, this point of view
  11. +7
    8 December 2019 10: 18
    The question on "language" should be free.! And that's all. No "violence"! Whether you want to teach, you don’t want to don’t teach. Violence breeds ... We had it 15 years ago - children from childhood understood and spoke Russian. !!! went to school up to grade 3-4 in Russian !!!!!. And in the 4th-5th grade they were issued by force !!! Ukrainian textbooks on mathematics .... and English !!!!. Shock is not the right word. And there are FULL of such !!!! Since he himself understood and spoke Ukrainian from childhood, calmly respect me. But after such a burp of the former ..... Extremely disapproving.
  12. +4
    8 December 2019 13: 06
    Russian main. Ukrainian, as well as other foreign languages, optionally, to choose from. Totally democratic.
  13. +6
    8 December 2019 14: 02
    Quote: Neznaika
    For some reason, we love to vote that Ukrainians oppress the Russian language. Do not go the same path.

    Or maybe it should be? Got enough, to get on the cheek and turn the other, and our M&D, gets off with vague phrases "Let's live together." Strength is respected. Especially those who do not understand well.
  14. +3
    8 December 2019 16: 51
    Finally! We started to deal with the "fifth column" normally. We started with education and this is absolutely the right decision. In general, in Russia it is necessary to tackle education closely, starting with school textbooks on the history of the Fatherland, and ending with teaching methods. And then in the 10th grade, students do not know how to practically extract the root of any number. And it is time to revive labor training in schools, otherwise they cannot hammer in nails, and even a computer, only as retired users.
    1. +1
      8 December 2019 23: 04
      Quote: jakkola-ng
      In general, in Russia it is necessary to closely engage in education, starting with school textbooks on the history of the Fatherland and ending with the teaching methodology.

      You need to start with the dispersal of the Ministry of Education. Those who run it now will make it worse.
  15. -1
    8 December 2019 17: 19
    The collapse of Ukraine is primarily associated with the prohibition of the Russian language, so why step on this rake, even if% of those who speak Ukrainian are insignificant, and in Russia 137 nationalities and somehow all get along and learn the language. It is impossible to destroy the identity and culture of the peoples for the sake of the political conjuncture, because it has taken shape over centuries, and even millennia.
  16. -5
    8 December 2019 18: 00
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: raw174
    Donbass - Ukrainian region

    Russian.

    But Russia knows that it took the Donbass into its possession ???
    1. +1
      8 December 2019 19: 58
      Quote: TARS_LOL
      But Russia knows

      He knows. But he will officially say when the time comes. This is called politics.
      Russia tried to cooperate with Ukraine until a coup organized by the Americans took place there. Collaborate now? Sorry, but no. Putin can say a lot of things, but such resources have been invested in projects of new gas transportation systems and replacing Ukrainian goods, the same engines, that it does not matter who comes to power in Kiev, there will be no return to the past.
  17. -7
    8 December 2019 18: 05
    Quote: sharp-lad
    I am for! But only with the destruction of the distributor states!

    So can it be easier to remove Russia? And what, it is necessary to kill less people, and the territory will be freed more. But seriously, comrade, frank fascism is pouring from your lips.
  18. +1
    8 December 2019 19: 06
    Mutual and worthy response to Ruin!
  19. -1
    8 December 2019 19: 18
    Well, it sounded like "why are we?"
    After a kind of equivocation, Dushilin does not need to stutter about the oppression of the Russian language. Magyars also, by the way, shove the Magyar language.
  20. +1
    8 December 2019 19: 59
    I am fluent in Russian and Ukrainian, I do not see a problem here. In Ukrainian schools, all subjects are in Ukrainian, in Russian there was simply the subject of Ukrainian. So it was in the USSR. From knowledge of languages, my position towards the pan-skipping rope seafarers has not changed. It was surprising, of course, that some WANT to study it directly ...
  21. -5
    8 December 2019 20: 14
    Let's not repeat the mistakes of others. DNR and LNR were part of Ukraine, so many families speak Ukrainian. Make 2 languages ​​official. There will be no malice and hatred. And by the way, people living in these regions understand each other with half a word, no matter what language they speak, this is already a local mentality. You deciding the language of communication, breaking the fate of many families is a tragedy. But it’s interesting, if Pushilin were taken to a remote place where both Russians and Ukrainians would treat him with a bottle of water and moonshine and after taking 2 glasses of any favorite drink with a good snack with lard and pickles, what choice would it make? I think so, he would say, guys, let's live together, we are a special and great region, that they are fighting for us so much, we have nothing to share with you, we are one family and we will continue to increase our wealth and our blessing for everyone living on our fertile land . Peace and prosperity to YOU!
    1. -5
      8 December 2019 21: 21
      The other day, in the Donbass, a guy was killed for speaking Ukrainian.
      1. +1
        9 December 2019 01: 55
        They killed in the territory controlled by Ukraine.
        1. -1
          9 December 2019 14: 40
          Well, what am I talking about? For the Ukrainian language.
          Not the first case.
          Throughout Ukraine, even Western, for the Russian language is not killed.
  22. +1
    8 December 2019 22: 53
    How many comments. How many copies are broken. What did Pushilin decide with languages? But don't care. 09.12.19/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin meets with "respected friends and partners." As if, based on the results of the meeting, Pushilin did not have to subscribe additional teachers of MOV in Donbass.
    1. -2
      9 December 2019 14: 39
      I think he will be transferred to another school. For the difficult.
      Or in a boarding school of a closed type.
  23. 0
    8 December 2019 23: 07
    If no one needs Ukrainian, then why spend time studying it, let them study privately who needs it.
  24. 0
    9 December 2019 03: 31
    It’s annoying, because as it is said in the songs .... I used to love your songs before you killed my mother .... nor soon I want to sing and listen, oh, at the little garden,
  25. +1
    9 December 2019 15: 34
    Fuck pig and pork !!! am
  26. +1
    11 December 2019 01: 27
    After the blood shed by the Ukrainians, what kind of calfy move can a conversation go about?
  27. 0
    28 December 2019 16: 54
    But in the USSR, even during the war with the Nazis, German was not removed from schools ... You can leave it as interethnic communication, and even without a school. In general, you do not need to be like them!
  28. 0
    28 December 2019 17: 07
    I read the comments, it so happened (and it doesn’t matter on whose whim) that the Russian lands were given over to Ukraine! Since the 20s, the 100th anniversary has been approaching, you can’t throw it anywhere! During this time, millions have been married across the country! You won’t throw it out! We need to find a dialogue and negotiate otherwise the war again! LDNR do not follow the gangsters and adventurers, do not be like them yourself ...