The network has new photos of self-propelled guns "Magnolia"

Pictures of the latest Russian 120-mm self-propelled gun "Magnolia" appeared on the Web again. The artillery gun was again photographed loaded on a platform for transportation. Presumably, CAO recorded during transportation between the stages of the ongoing tests.

The first photo of a self-propelled artillery mount, created on the basis of the DT-10MP two-link tracked conveyor, appeared on the network in early May of this year. Then it was suggested that this is a photograph of a prototype 120-mm self-propelled gun "Magnolia", created to equip the Arctic parts.

For the first time, the characteristics of the latest Russian two-tier self-propelled artillery were revealed at the Army-2019 international forum. As UVZ specialists explained, a self-propelled artillery gun was developed by JSC Central Research Institute Burevestnik (Nizhny Novgorod, which is part of Uralvagonzavod NPK JSC).

SAO is placed on the chassis of the crawler armored transporter DT-10ПМ of the Vityaz family. On the back case of the Magnolia there is a fighting compartment - with an 120-mm 2A80 gun, combining the fighting qualities of a gun, howitzer and mortar. The design of the tower provides horizontal horizontal guidance and the rise of the barrel from -5 ° to + 80 °. The gun fires high-explosive shells at a range of up to 8,5 km, guided shells - at 10 km, high-explosive shells - at 7 km. Gun rate - 10 rounds per minute, the ammunition consists of 80 shells.

The crew of CJSC Magnolia is four people. The DT-10ПМ two-link tracked conveyor weighs 23,5 tons, but is capable of speeds up to 44 km / h, afloat - up to 5 km / h.

The main purpose - fire destruction of armored vehicles, manpower and fortifications.

It is assumed that the self-propelled gun will go into service with artillery units deployed in hard-to-reach areas, wetlands, in the Far North.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

In terms of firing range, it’s still closer to the mortar ... Let's wait for the end of the tests and presentation.

[impostor]

If BO from Vienna, then Dzi is comparable to D-30

[tatarin1972]

Judging by the performance characteristics, rather closer to the 2S9 "Nona S".

[Bar2]

where is magnolia? I see Volvo, I see a hero, I do not see magnolias.

[Tersky]

Quote: Bar2

where is magnolia?

Not yet bloomed. Ask the photographer to raise the tent, it may agree. For the visually impaired: https: //topwar.ru/159692-chto-izvestno-o-magnolii.html

[Alexander Petrov1]

But to drag our best-in-class military equipment in the world with a Volvo tractor. Shame, why are we Russia investing a billion rubles in our Kamaz and Baz!?

[lukewarm]

The numbers on the tractor are civil. The gun is an experienced one. Perhaps the design bureau entered into a contract with some company for transportation. Well, you can’t tell the private owner what to carry. In the army, KAMAZ trucks.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

But lug our best in the world in its class military equipment tractor Volvo shame

And this is not a military technique. This is a prototype, factory property. And he is being dragged by a civil carrier to whom the plant sent an application for transportation - and he singled out a suitable trawl.

I understand, it's hard to imagine civil self-propelled gun. But these are the realities.
В countries of victorious capitalism there were even civilian bombs - just remember the first use of Barnes Wallace's Tallboys.

The next morning, after a raid on Saumur, a high-ranking official from the Bomber Command burst into Sir Wilfred Freeman’s office, waving photographs of the destroyed tunnel.
- Oh my God! He screamed. “Why haven't we used these incredible things before?” How much will we get them?
“Not a single one, I'm afraid,” the Vickers spokesman who was in the room answered coldly. The officer stared at him with his mouth open.
- What does it mean?
- Exactly this. We still have some reserves, but they belong to us. Not to you.
- What are you talking about?
“Your guys never ordered these bombs from us.” We make them ourselves. They belong to us.
“I get it,” the Very Important Person nodded. - We will take care of placing the order right now.
He grabbed the telephone, and after lunch, the paper with the order to Vickers was issued.

© Brickhill P. Ship Slayers / Barker R. Flooding Germany!

[nPuBaTuP]

Nice SPG
Only the name is too southern

[Hog]

On the territory of Russia in the wild, obovate magnolia is found on the island of Kunashir.

[nPuBaTuP]

on the island of Kunashir

It also occurs in Sochi ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

It also occurs in Sochi ...

Oh yes! Magnolia is found "vobche" in the Krasnodar Territory, but a different variety compared to the "Kuril" ...

Magnolia in Sochi ...

Magnolia Obovata (Kuril) ...

[Artunis]

I saw this in Yalta. (Kuril)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Artunis

I saw this in Yalta. (Kuril)

Yes, the fact is that in the Krasnodar Territory and in the Crimea, different "varieties" of magnolia can be found ... people brought them and bring them, and try to grow them ... some varieties take root, some do not take root ... , in some places it works, in some it doesn't work ... but as a result, in the Crimea and in the Krasnodar Territory, different magnolias are found in different places ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

Nice SPG

I don’t know, maybe not bad. One thing only confuses - such a fool, I mean the transporter, to such a cannon. A very large target near the adversary. It’s easier and more secretive to bring a mortar (120 mm.) And it will do the same as Magnolia.

[Vlad.by]

BK is also a snowmobile ??

[Flooding]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

One thing only confuses - such a fool, I mean the conveyor, for such a cannon

This is for the Arctic. Autonomy, you know.

[JD1979]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I don’t know, maybe not bad. One thing only confuses - such a fool, I mean the transporter, to such a cannon.

And only such fools can move normally in the north, without roads, and the crew will be accommodated in them with no conveniences.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

A very large target near the adversary.

Let's just say ... the adversary will have to try very hard, given the complete absence of an ice class fleet, to land on his own two, and even with the delivery of equipment it’s generally sad.

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

It’s easier and more secretive to bring a mortar (120 mm.) And it will do the same as Magnolia.

It may be easier to save money. But, if I were an artilleryman and had a choice, then I would agree to move on the D-30 in relative comfort, rather than freezing the snot on a snowmobile. Yes, and you know whether, as it is more reliable, you definitely will not have to push. In addition, everything with it and the gun and shells and fuel and aiming systems and lunch and the place of work and rest are warm.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

Only the name is too southern

This is so that the enemy does not guess!

Then it was assumed that this is a snapshot of a prototype 120-mm self-propelled gun "Magnolia", created to equip the Arctic units.

[NKT]

Well, 152mm acacia also loves warmly

[lukewarm]

The "flower" tradition, however. "Carnation", "Hyacinth" "Tulip" "Cornflower". There was no southern one yet, yes.

[Fraracol_2]

So we will carry on Volvo and in war?

[Ingvar 72]

The same drew attention. But how many yells of yurykal about the leadership of KAMAZ in the domestic market. In the Zhiguli quarry, KAMAZs used to be alone, now more than half of the Chinese carry rubble. Import substitution bl .... in.

[ronnon]

what does KAMAZ have to do with it? It’s like about self-propelled guns ...
Shrieked up screams, we all

[Svarog51]

Namesake Never mind. There are people who see the positive, there are only the negative. Not everyone can see the big picture.

[Tersky]

Quote: Svarog51

. There are people who see the positive, there are only the negative.

That's right, one in a puddle sees a reflection of the sky and stars, the other only dirty water and dirt. Sergey, !

[Svarog51]

Victor And I didn’t shave my mustache and still looks like your son-in-law. Probably only older.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Tersky

one in a puddle sees a reflection of the sky and stars, the other only dirty water and dirt.

A pessimist sees a dark tunnel. An optimist. The light at the end of the tunnel. A realist. An electric train going through the tunnel. Only an electric train driver of three meters standing on the rails.
Vitya! Sholem you through the rocker

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ruslan67

Sholem you through the rocker

Salome, but shatko thicker! Hi Ruslan!

[tracer]

Do you see this in general? In addition to your whining about the topic of retirement and criticism of the whole "real" from you there was nothing on the site.

[Vladimir_2U]

People pay attention to the obvious, and an import truck that carries a domestic sample is an extra stroke in a not very happy big picture.

[Tersky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In the Zhiguli quarry, KAMAZs used to be alone, now more than half of the Chinese carry rubble.

So what? At least one "Chinese" in the RF Armed Forces carries personnel and equipment? No? So what kind of work is there in the quarry? In the quarry, which is in charge of the uncle, let him at least buy Tesla from Mask. In the news, we are talking about the ACS, and not about what transport it is transported on. One sprayed feces, the second fan substitutes.

Quote: Ingvar 72

But how many yells of yuryaks

Much less than screaming prosralipolymers.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Tersky

So what? At least one "Chinese" in the RF Armed Forces carries personnel and equipment?

Will you give me a hand for clipping, that in ten years they won’t carry it? Me not.
And yes, I am the so-called all-companion, for I am not used to turning a blind eye to the real state of things. We are now expanding the road to Yagodnoye in Tolyatti, I go there almost every day. Guess what technique works there? I can shoot panoramic video on Monday - just KETs. Graders, bulldozer.
Yes, an article about self-propelled guns, domestic equipment enters the army at least a little, but it does, but the rest of the mechanical engineering is degrading. And here pitfalls lie.
In the war, as you know, equipment is quickly knocked out, and we have practically no real, massive capacities. Tagil alone will not pull, and machine-building and tractor plants, capable of reconfiguring in the event of war to produce armored vehicles, are almost all optimized or sold to foreign companies. The remaining 20-30% are tied to imported spare parts.
Here it is, as your namesake said, the big picture.

[bubalik]

road extension to Yagodnoye

,, Do you think the bridge will be built?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bubalik

Do you think the bridge will be built?

Tales have long been fed, in Klimovka and Olgino even the land has risen in price. It seems that they started on the shore, now they are quiet. But I think they’ll build it all the same, only it will be delayed again. And with the beginning, and with the surrender. A flyover is being built on the Zhig.More; at first, the completion date for October 19th was drawn. Now the readiness is about 60%, and "unexpectedly" they stumbled over the main power lines, on which the wires are below the level of the overpass. Even the governor came, stamped his feet, promised to come to an agreement with the power engineers. It's funny - haven't you seen these wires before? 50 years of hanging!

[Tersky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

We are now expanding the road to Yagodnoye in Tolyatti, I go there almost every day. Guess what technique works there?

Igor, maybe enough flood? Article about what, you will not prompt? And here is the road to Yagodnoye? And here is the technique that expands it? .

Quote: Ingvar 72

And here pitfalls lie.

Remind me of a puddle?

[Ingvar 72]

Well, he took it and chopped off. But how to talk?

[Tersky]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But how to talk?

To talk, the person.

[Bar2]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The same drew attention. But how many yells of yurykal about the leadership of KAMAZ in the domestic market. In the Zhiguli quarry, KAMAZs used to be alone, now more than half of the Chinese carry rubble. Import substitution bl .... in.

this is how Volvo, Renault, Mercier, Mana, Dafa, Kamaz and Mazov go a hundred times less on roads near Moscow; the situation on our roads is an indicator of patriotism today.

[Vlad.by]

Take a ride to Rostov, Krasnodar ... there is a Volvo, Mercier only on the highway in transit from the suburbs. All work in Kamaz. Grain, crushed stone, brick ...

[Brturin]

Quote: Bar2

the situation on our roads is an indicator of patriotism today.

And there are also statistics - “Avtostat info” for the first half of 2019 - 34 new trucks: the first three are KAMAZ (844 units), GAZ (12 units), VOLVO (908 4 units) ... MAZ (152 2 units) ... Ural (691 1 units) ...

[Bar2]

Quote: BrTurin

And there are also statistics - “Avtostat info” for the first half of 2019 - 34 new trucks: the first three are KAMAZ (844 12 units), GAZ (908 4 units), VOLVO (152 2 units)

and what is your statistics to me, this is the case when the visible contradicts what was written, I say what I see our minuscule, foreigners are already flowing.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Bar2

I say what I see

It is enough to attach a DVR record. For the sake of interest, I considered oncoming wagons - the ratio KAMAZ-inomarka 1 \ 10, no more.

[Vlad.by]

Apparently, you considered such in different states.
One in Russia, another in ... Moscow Region

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vlad.by

Apparently, you considered such in different states.

M-5 highway, section Togliatti-Mezhdurechensk. I travel every week.

[Grits]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In the Zhiguli quarry, KAMAZs used to be alone, now more than half of the Chinese carry rubble. Import substitution bl .... in.

That you have not seen the picture in the Far East. The same Chinese Howo in terms of Kamaz’s dimensions takes on much more cargo, eats less fuel, is more comfortable, costs much cheaper, and will soon overtake in reliability. So the Kama automaker will soon remain only the military niche.

[Okolotochny]

Have you seen the number at Volvo? Number Civil, not military. Most likely they hired a PARTICIPANT for transportation. You didn’t get tired of seeing excrement in Russia in your fantasies?

[Tersky]

Quote: Fraancol_2

So we will carry on Volvo and in war?

Fat trolling, Studebaker, GMC, International, Ford GRW and Willys in the Second World War, somehow "unexpectedly" forgotten?

[Bar2]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: Fraancol_2

So we will carry on Volvo and in war?

Fat trolling, Studebaker, GMC, International, Ford GRW and Willys in the Second World War, somehow "unexpectedly" forgotten?

at that time there were no our urals, ointments and kamaz.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bar2

at that time there were no our urals, ointments and kamaz.

?
This is not the case, to say the least.

[Bar2]

Quote: Spade

This is not the case, to say the least.

that during the Great Patriotic War there were Urals, Mazas and Kamazes?

[Lopatov]

In the USSR, during the war, automotive equipment was produced, and more actively. But here's a fact for you: they preferred Lend-Lease.

[Bar2]

Quote: Spade

In the USSR, during the war, automotive equipment was produced, and more actively. But here's a fact for you: they preferred Lend-Lease.

You want to say. That ZiSy-5/6 accumulated at production sites in Moscow, and the Soviet Union took only studentbackers? This is a lie, it wasn’t.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Bar2

You want to say. That ZiSy-5/6 accumulated at production sites in Moscow, and the Soviet Union took only studentbackers? This is a lie, it wasn’t.

I want to say that the GRAU fought a whole battle for the installation of MLRS on Lend-Lease trucks

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Spade

I want to say that the GRAU fought a whole battle for the installation of MLRS on Lend-Lease trucks

And there were no other options anyway.
The ZIS-6 was discontinued in October 1941. The ZIS-5 was not suitable for the BM-13 (established by the results of the very first MLRS tests).
There were no tracked chassis either. T-70 held only M-8. And for the serial installation of the MLRS on the artillery chassis, the same GRAU would send an M-30 that offered to manually roll it.
So only LL remains.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Bar2

ZiSy -5/6 accumulated at production sites in Moscow

Not only in Moscow, but also in Ulyanovsk and Mias. But someone is desperately trying to assure us that the American is better. In the conditions of World War II, it was better than ZIS, there was no truck.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Evidence in the studio. Patriotism is left out of the brackets.

[bubalik]

Patriotism is left out of the brackets.

Gearboxes of the German concern ZF Friedrichshafen AG

engines of the American company Cummins Inc.

DAIMLER AG, GERMANY of spare parts with spare parts KAMAZ 5490 with engine, axle and cab of Mercedes-Benz
AUGER AUTOTECHNIK, GERMANY, manufacturer and supplier of auto parts for vehicles
BOSCH, ROBERT GMBH, GERMANY is the largest manufacturer of batteries, KAMAZ engine control units, as well as gasoline and diesel injection components, automotive electronics, brake systems and components, spark plugs, lighting equipment, starters and alternators, etc.
MADARA GROUP, BULGARIA, G. SHUMEN - manufacturer of sets and individual types of axles, as well as components: gears and shafts, steel and iron castings, springs, etc.

[orionvitt]

What evidence? Although sometimes you need to watch a documentary, not fighters. I advise you to watch all four episodes, it is very informative.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I saw this miniseries as well as "cars in uniform" and some others on the automotive theme. All of them are united by the fact that they were filmed by OUR directors for OUR consumption. During the USSR, they also thought that the Volga 24 was the limit of perfection, and the seagull was almost the car of the future.
And on ZiSu ....
Can you tell me why the next ZiS for the army (151) is so surprisingly similar to the "studer", and why not to the "Zakhara"? What a bad luck ... They turned away from the best (by your standards) cars, and almost copied the overseas monster?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Cars turned away from the best (by your standards), but almost overseas monster was copied?

Firstly, I did not say that he was the best, just the same ZIS, in war conditions, was more preferable. The simpler the better. Complex equipment often fails, while you repair it, you will be defeated a thousand times. As for the post-war Zakhars, everything is much simpler here. Yes, they are similar, but if you have watched the series of the Wings of the Motherland company, then it clearly says. They did not rip apart, but deeply analyzed, and on this basis, made their own. In addition, there is a tendency that all cars of the same generation, in all countries, are similar to each other. The same Volga GAZ-21, in the 50s, did not stand out from the series of those in the west. As it was with design in the 30s, and in the 60s, and in the 70s, and so on.

[The leader of the Redskins]

You did not call ZiS the best?
better ZISa, the truck was not.
Are these not the final words of your message? I specifically made a highlighted quote.
Regarding the "Wings of Russia". I will repeat and even highlight again
Taken by OUR and for OUR!
It would be surprising if they recognized that someone abroad has something better.
And your "can be fixed on your knee in the field" position is wrong. The best technique DOES NOT BREAK !!! Of course, in relation to consumer goods.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Taken by OUR and for OUR!

What are you doing on this resource? It is created by OUR and for OUR! Split personality? On the question of what is better and what is worse, carefully read the comments. A generation of iPhones.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I read and try to be objective. Here they prove to you that the same "studer" was better, but you misinterpret the previously said words and get personal.

[Grits]

Quote: orionvitt

In the conditions of World War II, it was better than ZIS, there was no truck.

I believe my grandfather is a war veteran. Which said that Studebaker better had no car.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: orionvitt

Not only in Moscow, but also in Ulyanovsk and Mias.

I now want to see the accumulating ZIS-6 - taking into account the fact that in October 1941 their release was curtailed, and under the chassis for the new MLRS had to withdraw cars from the army and n / x.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spade

To you a fact: they preferred Lend-Lease

Don't juggle, this is far from a fact. Tell me more that they threw the domestic one, and drove exclusively on the "Studers". They did not prefer, but took what they gave. And often, not the best, especially from England. In view of the presence of a terrible war in the country, any technique was to the court. And the trophy was in use after the repair.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

You do not distort, this is far from a fact.

Reinforced concrete fact from the source.

[Astra wild]

There were materials on this site

[Tersky]

Quote: Bar2

at that time there were no our Urals,ointments and KAMAZ.

Aren't you lost in time? Volvo, Menov, as the same was not observed. At the beginning of 1941, three automobile plants operated in the USSR: Plant named after Stalin (ZIS), Gorky (GAZ), as well as Yaroslavsky (YaAZ)., They simply did not have enough. They killed for mazs ..... they are already 30 years old BELARUSIAN.

[Bar2]

Quote: Tersky

At that time, Volvo and Men did not have the same thing, however, this did not serve as the cause of the cries of the chieftainer of petrol and polymers.

everything is clear with you ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Bar2

everything is clear with you ...

And what is clear to you? Please explain, since you write.

[Bar2]

Quote: Tersky

And what is clear to you? Please explain, since you write.

you are not serious.

[Tersky]

Quote: Bar2

you are not serious.

Really? Well, I’ll definitely fix it.

[Svarog51]

Of course, it is clear that three car factories dragged the whole war on themselves. And how dragged!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Not true. Both Volvo and MAN were and were actively used in the armies of their countries.

[Bar2]

Quote: Tersky

They killed for mazs ..... they are already 30 years old BELARUSIAN.

In general, Maz uses Yaroslavl and Tutaev engines, and if it weren’t forcible foreignism on our roads, these plants would be in a better situation than now.

[Tersky]

Quote: Bar2

general maz uses Yaroslavl and Tutaev motors

This is the bottom; you are not interesting to me.

[Bar2]

Quote: Tersky

Aren't you lost in time? Volvo, Menov, as the same was not observed

and where does the mana and Volvo during the war? The conversation goes that our excellent technology, on Tutaev’s engines, Chagin made about a dozen Dakars, was pushed into the background and does not develop, his own engineering school does not develop, because foreigners dominate. We can do our best, but someone is holding back develop our auto industry , as well as the aviation industry.

[brr1]

Quote: Fraancol_2

So we will carry on Volvo and in war?

Of course, on the trophy

[lukewarm]

In the war, he will drive on his own in the database area. Civilian trucks mobilize in the war. So maybe in Volvo, maybe in KAMAZ. Who is lucky. And the numbers in the photo are not army. Lucky is his private trader. Well, private traders - who in what. Someone and KAMAZ are new, someone at Volvo. We are also trying to transfer Lada, right?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

We are peaceful people
But our armored train
Standing on the siding ...

[orionvitt]

Something characteristics, this armored train is not very. For 120mm guns.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

Something characteristics, this armored train is not very. For 120mm guns.

Just great. The French counterpart is much worse. The Chinese are about the same.

[Grits]

According to the photo, the cannon is very similar to the one that was often shown as a cannon from "Lotus"

[Dmitry Donskoy]

And how to build fortifications in hard-to-reach, swampy areas of the far north, which would then hit him with Magnolia? It is interesting, and who can build something there besides ourselves?

[Svarog51]

Dmitriy And what to hit at a distance of 8,5 km in the tundra? Is there something else here, don’t you?

[Kamikaze19]

I think like in Finland. And the line of the Mannerheim will open

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

And how to build fortifications in hard-to-reach, wetlands of the far north

Methods of the sea. Finished products, gabions, bags. There are industrially made structures like SPM

[tatarin1972]

Ask the mountain rangers General Dietl if you find the living how they built. Musta-Tunturi, Small and large Karikvayvish, solid rock, and they cut down trenches of the full profile there.

[Alexey RA]

You can also recall the German strongholds on the banks of Motovsky Bay, which were taken by Kabanov’s paratroopers.

[lukewarm]

I wanted to laugh too, but changed my mind. There, before those "structures", there was a living force))))

[cat Rusich]

Question: Will there be an Arctic version of the 152,4 mm self-propelled guns? "Magnolia" Arctic version of "Vienna".

[Alexga]

Practically "NONA" for the Arctic.

[Ryaruav]

Yes, but instead of Nona, two hefty crates on caterpillars

[tatarin1972]

Nona, and so on in the north, there are, in 61 OBRMP, two Nona S batteries, and the Nona SVK division.

[Mountain shooter]

Normal support. He would say - in arctic conditions - all-devastating. The enemy simply will not be able to build anything particularly durable, and field fortifications of such a caliber are quite tough ...

[Svarog51]

Eugene The defeat range, let’s say, is not very large by current standards. The enemy’s Arctic landings? Somehow it is not clear. I have no complaints about the installation itself; I don’t understand its tasks in the Arctic.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Svarog51

The enemy’s Arctic landings? It’s not clear

Not landing. Reinforced DRG, and something else like that ...

[Chilean Abalon]

And from a helicopter is not it easier to work on DRG?

[Svarog51]

There are no objections, for this they are quite. Will cover.

[Tests]

Dmitry Donskoy (Dmitry), dear, the Norwegians with the Germans, but the hot Fiiinsky guys, do not be lazy, ask. And for many years, as if neutral, the Swedes are able to hide a lot of things for military purposes.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Eugene but not with magnolia to shoot at their rocks?

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

Broneshchitki would be isho, and then with a single fragment it is possible to disable the driver or commander ...

[Vasyan1971]

Chatterbox is a godsend for the spy. ©

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spade

Quote: orionvitt

Something characteristics, this armored train is not very. For 120mm guns.

Just great. The French counterpart is much worse. The Chinese are about the same.

The D-30 howitzer, of similar caliber, firing range, 15500m.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

Howitzer D-30

There is a huge difference between the howitzer and the rifled mortar.
In addition, do not forget that the D-30 is a regimental artillery gun, Magnolia is a battalion artillery.
So if you compare it, so with the 120-mm "Sleigh"

And so, for the future, the range for the gun is not the main characteristic. For example, "Magnolia" is capable of reaching a rate of fire that the D-30 is simply not available. Because she inherited a barrel cooling system from "Vienna".

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Spade

For example, "Magnolia" is capable of reaching a rate of fire that the D-30 is simply not available. Because she inherited a barrel cooling system from "Vienna".

I want to ask you, as a specialist - why does she need cooling? Indeed, in modern combat, it’s a lot like to naughty from one place of death for a long time. And in 5-10 minutes of fire with the stated rate of fire, it will not overheat the barrel even without cooling. Or am I mistaken?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And in 5-10 minutes of fire with the stated rate of fire, it will not overheat the barrel even without cooling.

Take, for example, the D-30.
The rate of fire stated in the performance characteristics is 6-8 rounds per minute.
For the 5 minutes you mentioned, on a full charge, you can shoot no more than 30 shells. In 10 minutes, no more than 40 shells. That is 4 per minute.
And so on.

In addition, the anti-fire maneuver is a minute fire attack plus 30-60 seconds of movement. And a new fire attack. The barrel still does not have time to cool

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spade

There is a huge difference between a howitzer and a rifled mortar

I know the difference without your lengthy explanation. The article is written in Russian

a combat compartment was installed - with a 120-mm 2A80 gun, combining the fighting qualities of a gun, howitzer and mortar.

In general, it is clear that the universal will always be worse than the specialized one.

[Lopatov]

Quote: orionvitt

In general, it is clear that the universal will always be worse than the specialized one.

Here the picture is the opposite. A versatile weapon capable of firing not only a mine, but also a highly effective projectile is better than a 120-mm "smooth" mortar.
But you know about this "without my lengthy explanations". Just forgot

It is not in vain that the very expensive MO-120-RT is still in service with the armies of 26 countries, including the United States.
And it is not in vain that the license for the production of the old man, inspired by which the USSR created "Nona", was bought by 7 countries. Including the USA
And it is not for nothing that the Chinese, having refused to imitate our 152-mm artillery, still create 120/122 mm guns, and are very active. More active than ours.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

With such dimensions, approaching the enemy closer than ten kilometers of death is similar. His fate is to be in one copy, and it would be good for the museum to be preserved.

[Tests]

Dmitry Donskoy (Dmitry), dear, I hope that "Fringe" and "Kitolov" reproduce and produce offspring. Here they are, for 5-8 km in the mountains it is quite possible. 2-3 pieces each, give backlight to the exit from the mink, where not fabulous Scandinavian trolls, but quite themselves NATO soldiers, just at this moment, roll out bombs, missiles, torpedoes, mines on planes, helicopters or ships. Yes, along the bridges, and there are many of them. Interception of 120mm mines is, as far as I know, a little more difficult today than interception of an aircraft.

[Ryaruav]

than 122mm cloves worse cheap waste system to it only ace and new grenades, another 50 years will work

[Saboteur Holuy]

It looks like some kind of rusty metal ...

[Artemiy_2]

Why are you so self-critical?

[bubalik]

The crew of Magnolia SAO is four people

a crew of four applies only to the gun or to the entire tractor?

[Tests]

Locos (Sergey), dear, and the polar night on Kola or on Novaya Zemlya? Or at +2 the snow sticks in the west wind on a helicopter so that it is a snowdrift in 20 minutes, and after another 20 minutes the sky can clear of clouds and the temperature will drop by 8-10 degrees in an hour, and by 15 more in the morning , the wind from the Kara Sea will bring 20-25 meters per second. Truth in the sky is beauty: the northern lights will play in colored flashes. Concrete or steel shelters for helicopters - alas and ah in the North! What is the search for RDG here, there will be a dilemma: dig out the car right now - it will blow the technicians off the taxiway with the wind; do not dig out the car right now until the morning wait - and suddenly the snow starts again in 3-4 hours ... Her Majesty the Arctic, with her only to you and with a bow! She will not give the helicopter 3-4 days to fly due to the storm and ....

[RideMaster]

Why not 152?
It makes no difference to this fool what to carry. They would put a tower from the coalition there and let them carry it.

[Pavel57]

This class of self-propelled guns must be armored.

[Dikson]

Sense in the Arctic to carry excess weight ?? Again, we are preparing for the past war ..

[Nick]

Magnolias in the Arctic! Originals work in our defense industry. Well, do not name it, but only if it is a matter of rule.

[Evil 55]

Roughly speaking, "NONA" based on DT-10PM .. Perhaps, something like a missile defense system from "Pantsir" was installed on the tower in the module.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Angry 55

Roughly speaking, "NONA" is based on DT-10PM.

"Vienna" based on DT-10PM

[Evil 55]

Logically .. and the pointing angles are the same ..

[Dikson]

"The defeat of armored vehicles and fortifications" you say ..? In the Arctic? Does anyone seriously believe in an enemy tank landing on our Arctic coast? Have you met a lot of fortifications in the Arctic? I am glad that the gun can be used as a mortar .. But .. firing range .. - for the tasks listed above - helicopters and MLRS will be more effective, don't you think so?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dikson

"The defeat of armored vehicles and fortifications" you say ..? In the Arctic? Does anyone seriously believe in an enemy tank landing on our Arctic coast?

You are aware that we are in the north bordering the country of NATO. And the teachings of this block in Norway occur regularly. Including the use of armored vehicles

[Dikson]

And far away along the Murmansk hills this armored vehicle will leave?

[gorenina91]

-The impression is that this "Magnolia" was pulled from the old military arsenals of the times of the distant USSR ... to somehow use the huge accumulations of old ammunition ...
- Personally, I am far from an expert in this field, but it seems to me that such a closed artillery device (after all, everything is located inside this installation itself) should have a much more powerful gun (caliber) and shoot at a much greater distance ... -Add to already existing cannon and a second artillery gun of a larger caliber ... -And otherwise ...- why such a bulky surround tracked mobile vehicle .. ???

[Dikson]

A voluminous tracked vehicle - because it is cold in the Arctic. And it's windy. And off-road. On the question of the caliber - why? This caliber is redundant for the Arctic in my opinion .. For such a tractor you need a tower from "Shilka" ... - among modern ships there are no battleships, armored personnel carriers - it will break through, but tanks .. well, I would have looked at Abrams in the tundra .. with his weight ..

[Astra wild]

Colleagues, I am not an expert, and therefore I ask: why "Magnolia" is so fast in the Arctic?
And another question: why such poetic names: "Acacia", "Magnolia"? In my opinion, brutal names are needed: "bear", in pre-Petrine Russia there was such a weapon, "elephant" or "hammer": if you apply it will not seem a little

[PSih2097]

Quote: Astra wild

And another question: why such poetic names: "Acacia", "Magnolia"?

because Ustinov's "flower garden" continues to live ...

- 2С1 - 122-mm self-propelled howitzer of the Ground Forces "Gvozdika";
- 2С2 - 122-mm self-propelled howitzer of the airborne troops "Violet";
- 2SZ - 152-mm self-propelled howitzer "Acacia";
- 2С4 - 240-mm self-propelled mortar "Tulip";
- 2С5 and 2А36 - 152-mm instrument of increased ballistics "Hyacinth", respectively, in self-propelled ("Hyacinth-S") and towed ("Hyacinth-B") versions;
- 2С7 - 203-mm self-propelled gun "Peony";
- 2С8 - 120-mm self-propelled mortars "Astra" (for the Ground Forces) and "Lily of the valley" (for the Airborne Forces).

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: nPuBaTuP

Nice SPG

I don’t know, maybe not bad. One thing only confuses - such a fool, I mean the transporter, to such a cannon. A very large target near the adversary. It’s easier and more secretive to bring a mortar (120 mm.) And it will do the same as Magnolia.

Well, if a crocodile from head to tail = 3 arshins, then from tail to head the same 3 arshins. What am I doing? The machine is able to crawl headlong into the mud. North, and generally where a person does not live. Not for nothing is his chariot so complicated. So, a potential enemy, which, in principle, can appear in the tundra, does not have one. I mean, it is in the same off-road and climatic conditions. But also, a goal, like a falcon, for it is more difficult to drive to our abyss than to have iron already ready for use. At distant approaches, he will be intimidated by the Bastions and other clappers, and at the nearest, 10 km of slingshot will be enough. In the sense, for the remaining small fry. Well, no one canceled the shooters nearby.

[Aviator_]

Polar version of "Nona"? It is clear that it is necessary to ensure the throughput and operation of the calculation at -50C, therefore, on a two-link conveyor. The range is absolutely mortar, will anyone in the polar theater of operations allow for such a range?

[Tests]

Aviator_ (Sergei), dear, the Germans in both World War I and World War II were able to carry out mine laying in the throat of the White Sea. Their bases on the shores of the Kara Sea for submariners in 1-2 is a fact ... Well, quite recently, in 1942-45, the beloved Greenpeace, sent the icebreaker Arctic Sunrise, without the permission of the Russian authorities, to Barents and Kara seas. In 2012, Greenpeace activists landed on the Prirazlomnaya MLBP and dangled in rubber boats right in front of the bow along the movement of the Geologist Dmitry Nalivkin vessel, creating real prerequisites for a marine accident. They tried to repeat the landing on Prirazlomnaya in 13, but the platform workers poured water on the “defenders of the Arctic” from fire hoses, and there our border guards arrived ... And where are the guarantees that the guys from PMCs with weapons will not repeat something like that in the future ? Someone found them, trained them, sent them to shoot - but this is not Korleva or the president, they are private traders ... And where are the guarantees that after returning from the pre-trial detention center in the Russian Federation under amnesty (that is, they fully admitted guilt of hooliganism and wrote a statement about the application of an act of amnesty to them) did any of those "protectors of the Arctic nature" receive a cross from the queen on their naval uniform? Why was Novaya Zemlya so attractive to them, why should the Arctic suddenly be a nature reserve, and about the reserve - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk silence? ... Our boats sail along the route of the icebreaker Greenpeace, on Novaya Zemlya - the Polygon, in Chizhe - the battlefield. “Coincidence - I don’t think so,” as Dmitry Kiselyov broadcasts.

[Dikson]

What is this text for? Are you going to hit rubber boats from 100mm guns with land mines? The Kara Sea .. well, yes .. at one time, if not for Kornyakov's battery, the fascist landing from "Admiral Sheer" would have landed in the Krasnoyarsk Territory .. For a minute ... I don't think they would have reached the south of Dudinka, of course, but dirty tricks would have done it .. The point is that an artillery battery with a firing range of 10 km is stupidly nothing to do in the Arctic .. - the distance there is an order of magnitude or even two more .. You will drive the gunners to the island, for example .. So what? What goals will the installation track? There ships appear once every six months .. Will someone land troops at our Arctic points? And you may ask - why? It is more effective to simply throw a couple of missiles at the Arctic base from a decent distance, or, in the end, land the RDG .. - they will blow up the power plant, blow up the fuel tanks .. - and the base will go nuts .. - the equipment will be provided, there is no communication and will freeze in duralumin-foam houses .. All the more so. that our bases are now just one complex, and not separate buildings .. In one place, set fire to - and you are tortured to look for a fire source under the iron siding .. And in the Arctic winds - if you are lucky - you will manage to jump out into the street to freeze there, and do not burn out .. What is the enemy to do on the tanks? And what is there to do self-propelled artillery? Rust, burnt by seagulls?

[Dikson]

Again, take an interest .. ALL THE Kara Sea is protected by one small border boat of 60 tons displacement .. about six months a year it is simply dragged ashore .. -you didn’t crush it at the pier with two-meter ice ..))) Apart from the shooting there is no drawer on it .. and this state of affairs lasts about half a century, by the way .. Because there is no point. Border troops in the Arctic .. - to the border with the enemy - Thousands of kilometers .. And they go on patrols .. When the weather allows .. Everyone remembers Rust and his flight .. And in the dense 82 pair of obscure peasants on a super-sophisticated yacht stuffed with radio electronics, without any problems passed through the NSR to Dixon, until the ordinary cargo ship caught it .. It was during the times of the USSR Empire .. With all its border services and bases in the Arctic .. With what now there is nothing to compare. And then self-propelled guns gathered to defend the territory of our country, where the population density is one person per 1000 km .. a strange decision ..

[Ivan7527]

A couple of years ago I was on a hero and had the opportunity to ride in the form of a passenger at their test site at dt10. Indescribable sensations, especially when overcoming a water ford. By the way, the tori on this base should be completed.

[Tests]

Dikson (Eugene), dear, I have to remind you that the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea was signed, ratified by the Russian Federation in 1997. In Russia, unlike the USSR, there is no sector in the Arctic right up to the North Pole. So the territorial sea with us is a part of the sea with a width of 12 nautical miles from the low tide line ... You are not right about the border guards, they have work in the Kara Sea ....
Based on the history of the Prirazlomnaya platform in 2013. The Russian Federation paid "Greenpeace" several million euros in compensation for the detention and retention of the icebreaker for the duration of the investigation, according to the decision by the decision of the international arbitration court in The Hague. Their vessel was in international waters, and not in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. Our border guards detained him and escorted him to Murmansk. I've got used since childhood that the Pechora Sea (well, or the Barents Sea to the southwest of Novaya Zemlya) is all ours - Soviet, but alas ...
Yes, I wrote in my first comment about the Scandinavians and the Germans. I meant the Murmansk region. In the second, he also wrote about Kolsky, there is work for Grani. Or do you disagree with me? ... Ishimbay all-terrain vehicles go well through swamps and sands. So they can be sent for testing in Transbaikalia, or to Dagestan, at night it is not hot there in the mountains, especially in winter. And whether they will be adopted or not and where they will serve - well, in the very first commentary wrote the Leader of the Redskins (Nazariy) ...

[kupitman]

Why is the caliber chosen in 120mm?

[Clueless]

You are already fixated on the Arctic and this all-terrain vehicle. It can be easily used in the same jungle where an ordinary goose will not travel, for example, in the Amazon forests.

[Usher]

What's new here? Same Vienna.