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Myths and facts: "how many people executed Stalin"

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Myths and facts: "how many people executed Stalin"

Sometimes the question arises: why do historians, public figures, especially oppositional elites constantly talk about how many people in our country died at the hands of the "tyrant-Stalin", but it is extremely rare to hear arguments about how many human lives have been claimed and broken perestroika and subsequent events.


If you pay attention to the allegations of "crimes of the Stalinist regime", and especially if you get acquainted with the interpretations of the events of those years in Western sources, you can get incredible values ​​about the "tens of millions of victims." This research in the field of "mathematics" of the victims of the Stalinist repressions does not stand up to criticism if you seriously study the documents.

But for many people, the stuffing of Western historians becomes the ultimate truth, and therefore this myth is alive of the countless millions of people shot in Stalin's dungeons. This myth is enduring. And they exploit it primarily for the reason to try to put an equal sign between the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler. They are trying to fuel the myth with statements about the "identity of personality cults" in the Third Reich and the USSR. What kind of “identity” can we talk about when (the simplest reverse example) for the Soviet people, the head of state was Comrade Stalin, and for representatives of the people of Nazi Germany “my Fuhrer”. The phrase “leader” was also used in the USSR, but it is hard to imagine that Soviet citizens would call Joseph Stalin “my leader”.

In a video released last year on the channel “Ears wave the donkey,” political analyst and political contestant Oleg Matveychev raises the question of “how many people killed Stalin?”. The video presents the judgments on this score of ordinary Russians, who call completely different numbers. The plot also presents interesting facts.

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  1. Far B
    Far B 29 November 2019 05: 47
    +28
    Duc, billions. From the name of the Nagan, of course. Personally. I didn’t sleep at night, I was malnourished. All executed and executed.
    In general, the figure was published long ago - in the period 1923-53, about 800 thousand were sentenced to death. Including various spies, which, in the conditions of mass White emigration and total rejection of Soviet Russia from the rest of the world (Mongolia and Tuva will not be counted), in the USSR, presumably, were sent in batches, and ending with scum such as Krasnov / Vlasov / Shkuro, noted for active cooperation with Hitlar. Plus the "red nobility", which was massively thinned out in the 30s for the lawlessness they committed on the ground.
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 29 November 2019 07: 17
      +26
      Quote: Dalny V
      In general, the figure has long been made public - in the period 1923-53, about 800 thousand were sentenced to death.

      1. Moreover, it has long been made public. If the famous note to Khrushchev about the number of repressed could be a secret, then Zemskov’s data has been known since 1991. It turns out they we were all blatantly lied to from the pages of newspapers and TV screens. And they continue to lie, having thrust Solzhenitsin into the school curriculum and almost every day, purposefully or casually, here and there, repeating about "tens of millions."

      2. Even if we take it out of the brackets that by no means the entire thirty-year period Stalin had absolute power, and also that most of the executed were real enemies and saboteurs, then on average the number of those killed per year is almost the same as in our time as a result Accident, This is to the question "we live like in a tram - half of the country is sitting, half of the country is shaking" - it is imperceptible that someone was shaking at the sight of a vehicle.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 29 November 2019 07: 41
        +24
        You're right. Today, * victims * are recorded by everyone, including criminals and thieves, and many others. Today in Europe they are trying to substantiate the sacrifice of the Nazis and their allies with might and main at the state levels.
        Look at the Vatican in all seriousness all the Italians who fought under the leadership of the Nazis, declared * soldiers of Christ * and even some kind of prayers declared binding on all Catholics.
        SOVIET UNION legislation was very liberal. Over in the North Caucasus and in the Crimea, local people committed mass crimes and were not shot, despite the fact that the country fought and Nazi lackeys in the Baltic states and did not shoot Ukrainians-Bandera. They departed from the laws and only expelled, and today they and their descendants are dissatisfied with the fact that they were not allowed to fulfill Nazi dreams
      2. Neznaika
        Neznaika 29 November 2019 11: 46
        -23
        "They blatantly lied to us all ..."
        Who are they, let me curiosity? Are they the authorities? People close to power, if they had access to the dissemination of ideas?
        Then who are you blaming? Authorities? Unpatriotic.
        The Russian people, by definition, always maintain their power.
        The authorities will say today the expression “crimes of the Stalinist regime” in quotation marks, we will take.
        He will say tomorrow to remove the quotation marks - we will remove it. Crimes, it turns out, were real, not fictitious.
        We are obedient. Tomorrow, we will be happy to check that today TV is vehemently denied.
        A breeze will blow from the Kremlin tower to the other side, we will immediately turn our weather vane in this direction. We are not used to doing this. We all do this life.
        Therefore, if today we put quotation marks somewhere, this does not mean that they have a place there.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 29 November 2019 13: 28
          +3
          Quote: Neznaika
          Then who are you blaming? Authorities? Unpatriotic.

          And where does the Kremlin know? Do you know the meaning and origin of the word patriot? Well, so why put a shadow on the wattle fence? Unhygienic.
          1. Neznaika
            Neznaika 29 November 2019 16: 17
            -8
            Despite the fact that not a single publication in a solid circulation in the USSR or the Russian Federation can do without censorship. Who is censoring? Special agencies. And to whom do they obey and whose requirements do they fulfill? I think explanations are superfluous. With all this and "what does it have to do with it."
            And I understood the essence of the concept of "patriotism" at school. And in my deep conviction, it should not unite the state and power in this state into one whole. These are different things.
            But it so happened with us that this unification took place in Russia. Therefore, any patriot who loves his country should automatically love the power in this country.
            And in any case, do not blame her for "she constantly lied to us."
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 29 November 2019 16: 56
              +4
              Quote: Neznaika
              But it so happened with us that this unification took place in Russia.

              This is what happened in your head. And whoever doesn’t happen this way are well aware of the difference between serving and serving.
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            3. Svarog51
              Svarog51 29 November 2019 20: 21
              +7
              And in my deep conviction, it should not unite the state and power in this state as a whole. These are different things.

              How shoud I understand this? Is power in the state itself, and the state has nothing to do with it? belay You justify your nickname! yes It is not necessary to "love" the authorities when they "cut your soles on the move", but to respect what we have of our choice is necessary. If you are not satisfied, vote for those who promised more. And hope they do.
        2. sick53
          sick53 30 November 2019 15: 47
          +2
          Good nick! It matches the media.
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 November 2019 16: 01
        +5
        Greetings, Alexander!
        ...... the figure has long been made public ....
        I met different figures somehow ----- and ~~~ 600, and ~~ 000, and 700. Moreover, there was also evidence that the number of people was sentenced to death in the United States, commensurate with that in USSR in similar periods.
        Likely, stories about terrible times in the past, what would they say now ---- in, as now, without Stalin, everything is fine. And they would compare the size, the amount of theft and theft of socialist property under Stalin with the theft of public funds in the Russian Federation! Punishment and impunity can also be compared.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 29 November 2019 16: 48
          +4
          Hi Dmitry! hi

          Quote: Reptiloid
          I met different figures somehow ----- and ~~~ 600, and ~~ 000, and 700.

          Similarly. But here sometimes it’s better to take a big one, and also round it up. Because there are lovers to cling to commas. Even the big ones, the rounded ones ultimately turn out to be very small.

          Of course, the death of one person, if not innocent, is a tragedy. But the history of mankind is a lady with an icy heart. If you compare countries, eras, events, you always come to the conclusion that an insignificant small number of people were subjected to repression in the USSR. And from this small one, a maximum of a quarter were innocent or received an unjustifiably large punishment.

          According to the broadest estimates, in the USSR up to 53 years, about 5 million people were repressed. Of those killed, 2 people (this is the maximum estimate).
          800 - shot.
          600 - died in the camps
          1 200 000 - died in various resettlement actions, from kulaks to deported peoples.
          Once again, this is not average - THESE ARE MAXIMUM ratings.

          And out of this number of spies, saboteurs, Bandera, police, smugglers, counterfeiters, traitors, deserters and counter-revolutionaries, MAXIMUM a quarter were innocent or punished excessively.

          This is easier to show than to tell:



          Here, 400 million is the total number of people living in the USSR.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 29 November 2019 17: 14
            +3
            All the time I think, Alexander, I need to access archived data more often, learn by heart!
            1. sick53
              sick53 30 November 2019 15: 51
              +1
              Archival data (declassified) was used by V.N. Zemskov in his research. If interested, everything is in the public domain.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 30 November 2019 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: sergand53
                Archival data (declassified) was used by V.N. Zemskov in his research. If interested, everything is in the public domain.

                Thanks, I know, read it. True, 100% learned only one digit.
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 29 November 2019 07: 29
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      about 800 thousand.

      This includes criminals, and if you discard them, then a little more than 400 thousand ..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 November 2019 09: 46
        +10
        Quote: bistrov.
        Quote: Dalny V
        about 800 thousand.

        This includes criminals, and if you discard them, then a little more than 400 thousand ..

        And if you count how many people reformers killed .. for the 90s ..
        1. Varyag71
          Varyag71 29 November 2019 14: 15
          +8
          And how many more will be killed, especially after the pension reform ...
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 29 November 2019 16: 10
          +3
          ..... and if you count ...
          ... So everything is counted. Academician Gundarov cites data on 30. There are his stories and articles on the net. These are the "" democratic transformations ", or ---- liberal repression
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 November 2019 21: 37
            -6
            From 1917 to 1953 in the Russian Empire and the USSR, they killed under 50 million people: revolutions, civil war, surplus appropriation, hunger, dispossession, hunger again, repression, the war with the Finns, the Great Patriotic War, the war with the forest brothers in the Baltic states and in eastern Ukraine , the war against banditry in the post-war period, the showdown with their prisoners after the release from the Nazi camps, repression again - the life of all peoples was extremely "fun" in those days.
            1. bistrov.
              bistrov. 30 November 2019 07: 18
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              From 1917 to 1953 in the Russian Empire and the USSR - killed 50 million people: the revolution

              Come on, talk, the population of the Russian Empire in 1913 was only no more than 140 million ..
              And after all the "killing and famine" in 1940, it suddenly became 190 million. It does not fit somehow ... It's time to stop repeating these tales about the "shot and starved" millions ...
              1. Petrograd
                Petrograd 30 November 2019 22: 02
                +1
                Quote: bistrov.
                Quote: Vadim237
                From 1917 to 1953 in the Russian Empire and the USSR - killed 50 million people: the revolution

                Come on, talk, the population of the Russian Empire in 1913 was only no more than 140 million ..
                And after all the "killing and famine" in 1940, it suddenly became 190 million. It does not fit somehow ... It's time to stop repeating these tales about the "shot and starved" millions ...

                1940 - 190 million and this provided that the territory became smaller as well as the population ("proud and unique empires" with a long history, somehow Finland, Poland, etc. were no longer within the borders of the Republic of Ingushetia), plus they were not yet "by force territories annexed "as a result of" Stalin's bloody tyranny "to the same" mythical proto-suburb "and" legendary "Moldova. Bikes are right, and very harmful bikes.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 29 November 2019 14: 45
        +6

        Of course, a political statement after a crime makes a criminal * political * ...
        There and chikatilo blundered about * rejection *, and there you can substitute anything.
        In England, at that time, in which the population was half that number, about the same number of people were executed, and there were much more landed and deported.
        It’s just that today it’s convenient to lie about * repression * because only in the Soviet Union were there political articles, in the rest of the world all political ones are equated with criminals and sit on criminal articles
        1. Fraracol_2
          Fraracol_2 5 December 2019 20: 20
          -1
          The impression that you are raving.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 29 November 2019 07: 46
      +14
      Since the time of Ivan the Terrible, liberals have been credited with incredible cruelty to our successful rulers ... Grozny was also accused of having hardly eaten breakfast for breakfast .. And under Ivan the Terrible, about 1000 people were executed, which is nothing compared to some European rulers. They also try to make Stalin a bloody executioner ...
      1. Far B
        Far B 29 November 2019 07: 51
        +13
        I also wanted to recall about Grozny))) And about Bartholomew’s night, which took place in his days in the good old France, in its central part))) And bring, compare the number of victims. Very significant.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 29 November 2019 08: 13
          +7
          and the times of Cromwell in foggy albion are generally the top of "virtue and love for one's neighbor" ...
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 29 November 2019 08: 48
            +10
            Cromwell's times on foggy albion


            If they return, the 30 year war broke the record for genocide altogether - they killed each other so that a quarter of the German population escaped or was killed on a religious basis.
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 29 November 2019 09: 59
          -3
          Quote: Dalny V
          And lead-match the number of victims. Very significant.

          Significantly, speak? Well, I’ll show: from 1933 to 1940 in Germany - 23 executions. German citizens. Of course, in the USSR German citizens were even less sentenced, right?
          I myself, the more I live under Putin, the greater respect I get for Stalin and I can call myself a Stalinist, but I don’t need to gloss over my eyes.
          1. Far B
            Far B 30 November 2019 02: 30
            +5
            Why are you so selective - from the 33rd to the 40th, huh? We are talking about the time of Stalin's rule, respectively, let's take the time of the existence of the Third Reich in its entirety, and not divide it into years, days, minutes and seconds. Intentionally chose this approach?
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 30 November 2019 23: 29
              -2
              Dalny V, so selectively, because I came across exactly this statistics in A. Mosyakin's book "The Cycle of Treasures. Plundered Europe" - from 1933 to 1940, that is, the time before the war with the USSR.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 30 November 2019 23: 42
                +2
                Quote: Galleon
                because I came across exactly this statistics in the book by A. Mosyakin "The Cycle of Treasures. Plundered Europe" - from 1933 to 1940, that is, the time before the war with the USSR.

                It is believed that only on the night of long knives more than a thousand people were shot.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 30 November 2019 23: 51
                  -2
                  Volodya, is considered KEM? I brought a source. Can you bring your own? Yes, there were pogroms, no one will turn his tongue to dispute this. Were the militants armed? it was state repression by a court verdict ??? Do you understand how many questions arise on your cue?
                  And then: to be honest, you really want to refute my statement for what? To not be so terrible? And I'm terrible.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 30 November 2019 23: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Galleon
                    it was state repression on a court verdict ??

                    Precisely state ones. More precisely, Hitler destroyed possible competitors. As they write on the Internet, the figure is from the Nuremberg trials. There are no documents on the sentences, the citizens were destroyed by the Nazis. As well as daggers of stormtroopers with engraving "from Rem".
                    1. Galleon
                      Galleon 1 December 2019 00: 17
                      -2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      It is government. More precisely - Hitler destroyed possible competitors.

                      Competitors, understandably. According to the verdict or not, it is not clear.
                      I apologize for my phrasing after moonshine and port (I wanted consolation), but without exception, all historians praise the citizens of the Nazis for the fact that they did not lose any piece of paper and the archives were in perfect condition.
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      stormtrooper daggers engraved "from Rem"

                      I typed this phrase and immediately on the forum of the hacksawners a dagger popped up with this engraving

                      Were these destroyed?
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 1 December 2019 00: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Galleon
                        Were these destroyed?

                        Something like that. Rem's signature was ordered to either erase or surrender the dagger. Everything that is now for sale is 99,9% remake. Originals - units.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 1 December 2019 00: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Originals - units.

                        Well, if so:

                      3. Galleon
                        Galleon 1 December 2019 00: 34
                        -1
                        Well, we grazed on the same forum smile wink
                        In fact, the most interesting topic is the formation of Nazism. At one time, even in his novels, Yu. Semyonov pointed to it. But "in a lot of wisdom ...", and so all this is enough. I read a little Mussolini, read about his ideology, looked around ... it is better not to continue further. And Rem is an interesting person, like Shaft (or Schaft?), Both deserve attention.
                        I did not know the ABM signature. What is the background? If possible, of course: in PM or link. hi
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 3 December 2019 17: 17
                        -2
                        Quote: Galleon
                        I did not know the ABM signature. What is the background?

                        Yes, there is nothing special, they were simply issued to veterans, those who joined the party before the 32nd year, as far as I remember. The SS men on their daggers had a similar inscription "As a sign of cordial friendship", only from Himmler. The daggers themselves were copied from the medieval.
          2. Petrograd
            Petrograd 30 November 2019 22: 34
            +1
            Quote: Galleon
            Significantly, speak? Well, I’ll show: from 1933 to 1940 in Germany - 23 executions. German citizens. Of course, in the USSR German citizens were even less sentenced, right?
            I myself, the more I live under Putin, the greater respect I get for Stalin and I can call myself a Stalinist, but I don’t need to gloss over my eyes.

            With all due respect, Andrei, but during this period 1933-1940 - according to the policy of "an epileptic with a black slobbering fluff on the upper lip", German citizens were not Gypsies, Jews, Negroes (so as not to consider me a racist African American), Russians, communists, people with the wrong skull, with the wrong nose, with not a "reference" distance between the ears, the mentally ill, the disabled, people (all the same, people, though "nasty") with non-traditional sexual orientation, etc., who did not fit the "true Aryans ". These were not counted, and they were re-educated en masse in "labor camps", as, for example, in Dachau.

            They are also worth considering ...
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 30 November 2019 23: 40
              -3
              Petrograd, in your objection we are not talking about attitudes towards the population of the occupied countries, but about attitudes toward OWN CITIZENS. Even a staunch internationalist must see such a difference. In addition, even Jews until 1940 in the Reich did not endure death sentences. Do you even know that all death camps were in the occupied territories in Poland and the Baltic states? And served there including local population. Casuistry, of course, associated with international treaties. But even so: the destruction of hundreds of thousands of their own citizens for political reasons is not comparable to the destruction of the population of occupied countries. Not this way? Or is it all again (including statistics !!) in the name of universal values ​​against its people?
              1. Petrograd
                Petrograd 1 December 2019 00: 12
                +1
                Quote: Galleon
                In addition, even Jews until 1940 in the Reich did not endure death sentences.

                Andrei, according to the "casuistry of lawyers", the Jews were not subject to the norms of the law because they were "subhuman" (forgive me for these words), that the cat was killed, that there was no corpus delicti.
                Quote: Galleon
                Do you even know that all death camps were in the occupied territories in Poland and the Baltic states?

                How about Dachau -First a concentration camp in Nazi Germany was founded on March 22, 1933 in the city of Dachau, near Munich. The opening of the camp was announced by the head of the political police and the department of the Ministry of the Interior of Bavaria, Heinrich Himmler.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 1 December 2019 00: 42
                  -3
                  So all the same, the general people rule. Well, for St. Petersburg this is characteristic. winked
                  I type in Yandex: dachau the number of victims. I read
                  However, something was found. So, in the RIA Novosti information, it is reported that more than 250 thousand people from 24 countries passed through Dachau, 70 thousand died of which 12 thousand were Soviet citizens. It is very curious that RIA Novosti refers to Yad Vashem (Israeli Holocaust Propaganda Center), but the link is broken.
                  "In 1942, with the entry into force of the 'Final Solution of the Jewish Question', Jews from Dachau and other camps in the Reich were deported to death camps in Poland," - Yad Vashem.

                  Sanya, sorry for the familiarity (after drinking and I do not banyat wassat ), Well, you yourself could see? Yes, the people are in the camps of measures, (but here it’s better not to measure the piping with the USSR from the word absolutely), but until 1942 there were no gas chambers on the territory of the Reich. Echelons of Jews and others marched to Poland and the Baltic states.
                  You just think a little: what if my numbers are correct (I’ll call the source), what a template gap! BUT you look around - what a gap there is, no gap, everything is the same, just give free will.
                  1. Petrograd
                    Petrograd 1 December 2019 01: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Galleon
                    Sanya, sorry for the familiarity (I’ve drunk and do not banyat for this)

                    You have drunk but not with me or the Brudershaft - Galeon (Andrey) - a type of sailing vessel that appeared in the XNUMXth century. This type of sailing ship appeared during the evolution of caravels and karakk (naves) and was intended for long-distance ocean travel. Maybe without fuel, can you or we will argue or argue? I, for you now, are the enemy, because I’m not drunk, and in your ego, we drink the enemy. The usual characteristic Petersburg enemy
                    Quote: Galleon
                    , for St. Petersburg this is characteristic. winked
                    .

                    Quote: Galleon
                    but until 1942 there were no gas chambers on the territory of the Reich. Echelons of Jews and others marched to Poland and the Baltic states.

                    And here and now, 1942, the conversation was about the period you indicated
                    Quote: Galleon
                    Well, I’ll show: from 1933 to 1940 in Germany - 23 executions. German citizens.
                    You are apparently the great ruler of time and history, so irresponsibly speculating in dates and facts. Until 1942, there were no gas chambers on the territory of the Third Reich- Are you deliberately "being stupid" or did it become so boring, in 1942 there was still Poland and the Baltic states (although the Baltic States are always like that to the strong and profitable)?
                    Quote: Galleon
                    Echelons of Jews and others marched to Poland and the Baltic states.

                    There it was "profitable" that "legendary and star" for a can of stew were quickly "pumped" to supermen, exterminating and mocking the prisoners and civilians.

                    Quote: Galleon
                    You just think a little: what if my numbers are correct

                    Dryushka, and if not the right ones, did you think?
                    1. Galleon
                      Galleon 1 December 2019 01: 41
                      -3
                      Quote: Petrograd
                      I, for you now, are the enemy, because I’m not drunk, and in your ego, we drink the enemy. The usual characteristic Petersburg enemy

                      fool
                      I have many ... not even friends, but brothers in St. Petersburg, but these are all so smart people that your "intellectual" disclosure in the last remark in contrast can even introduce into cognitive dissonance: which of us drank? You remind me of my first wife, albeit in vain (I still don’t remember her with her nonsense, though St. Petersburg).
                      In fact, for me, any Leningrader is not an enemy. He lived there for 8 years. I come periodically, the whole family Peter loves. But you, with your statements, are a rare instance, uncharacteristic for this City. Come in large numbers?
                      1. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 1 December 2019 02: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Galleon
                        I have many ... not even friends, but brothers in St. Petersburg, but these are all so smart people

                        Drink less, I have a neighbor, also periodically, especially on Friday and Saturday, "makes friends" with smart, then baptizes devils, then talks about the theory of probability with cockroaches.
                        Quote: Galleon
                        in contrast, it can even lead to cognitive dissonance: which of us drank?

                        This is not a dissonance, it is popularly called a "visit of a squirrel", you even have a snack.
                        Quote: Galleon
                        You remind me of my first wife, although in vain (I still don’t remember her with her stupidities, even though I’m from St. Petersburg).

                        Your wise first wife, in time appreciated the meaning of life with the "windy aesthete of alcohol"
                        Quote: Galleon
                        But you, with your statements, are a rare instance, uncharacteristic for this City. Come in large numbers?

                        I haven’t even left, I live here, periodically observing the chaotic and senseless attempts of the body and language of the representatives of the galleon genus.
                    2. Galleon
                      Galleon 1 December 2019 01: 56
                      -2
                      And for what reason do you have Pithonia on the profile picture? Or do not you understand what it is about?
                      1. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 1 December 2019 02: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Galleon
                        And for what reason do you have Pithonia on the profile picture? Or do not you understand what it is about?

                        No, I don’t understand what it is about ...
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          3. begemot20091
            begemot20091 13 January 2020 21: 03
            +2
            What are you? here is the discovery !!!! And without a sentence? 1938 = Kristallnacht? = Goebbels wrote in his diary that the order was given personally by the Führer, and the Führer personally ordered the arrest of between 20000 and 30000 Jews. 30000 people were arrested and sent through local prisons to three concentration camps. 2000 of them died from beating in a few weeks, although they were young and healthy men. But after this, unlike the fate of those sent to concentration camps later, the survivors were temporarily released on condition that they urgently leave Germany. On June 30, 1934, Operation Hummingbird began - the large-scale bloody massacre of Adolf Hitler and his entourage over objectionable German party leaders. Even on June 30, after the capture of Ryom, Hitler ordered Goebbels to transfer the code word "hummingbird" to Goering. SS units raised the alarm, envelopes with execution lists were printed, and a wave of terror swept across the Reich. The documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1946 indicated that 1076 people were killed during this operation, most of them were members of the NSDAP, including several dozen high-ranking functionaries. In particular, Gregor Strasser was killed. Dachau
            The camp was built near Munich in 1933. First, all opponents of the Nazi regime and ordinary prisoners were sent there. Despite the fact that officially Buchenwald did not have the status of a "death camp", already in the summer of 1937 people began to be killed there. Bergen-Belsen - It was created in May 1940 as Stalag 311 (German Stalag XI-C) for prisoners of war from Belgium and France. The initial number of prisoners is 600.
            Mauthausen (German: KZ Mauthausen) - German concentration camp near the city of Mauthausen in 1938-1945. The National Socialists received an absolute majority in the Reichstag in December 1933 (93% of the vote) and came to the conclusion that in this way national unity was achieved and further elections were no longer needed. Many of those arrested henceforth constituted the first generation of prisoners Dachau Belzec
            The Nazis in 1940 founded this camp exclusively for gypsies. Auschwitz (Auschwitz)
            This is one of the largest concentration camps of the Second World War. The camp consisted of a network of 48 locations that were subordinate to Auschwitz. It was to Auschwitz that the first political prisoners were sent in 1940.
            Nazi policy of extermination of the Jewish people and stages of the Holocaust
            The first stage (January 1933 - August 1939)
            The second stage (September 1939 - June 1941)
            1939 to 1945 = The exact number of Gypsies killed during the Holocaust is unknown. While it is impossible to determine exact numbers or percentages, historians estimate that the Germans and their allies killed about 25 percent of all European Roma. Out of less than one million Roma, allegedly living in Europe before the war, the Germans and their allies from the Axis countries killed up to 220. I am already silent about Spain, Coventry .... So, read and present what the gentlemen told us " liberals ". Yes, Stalin nervously puffs his pipe on the sidelines. 000 sentences. You still Gozmvna to the opponents invite you, he will give you a "list by name" list of all the people to whom Stalin threw a rope around his neck. In general, I would have collected these "stones of sorrow" all over the Raseyskaya land and built a chapel out of them where they would pray for those killed: Latvian riflemen, White Czechs, White Finns, Poles, Croats, Romanians, ..... The Germans have hair on end in their armpits got up from the atrocities of the "brothers" of Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians ... How we mellowed: we would have to repent. In my family there are only at least 24 dead, and those who fought ... So the Kolinashs act in Germany and repent for their grandfathers - there is no Stalin for the teachers of these Kohls. Kolya is a jerk, but his parents ????
      2. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 09: 45
        +10
        Svarog (Vladimir)
        Since the time of Ivan the Terrible, liberals are credited with incredible cruelty to our successful rulers ...
        That's it. They know exactly those with whom Russia soared.
        1. Ivan the Terrible - a bloodthirsty tyrant. And this despite the fact that for all the time of his reign, according to various estimates, from 2,5 to 5 thousand people were executed. At what, for the most part, these were noble boyars who tried to stretch Russia to their destinies, which the tsar actively prevented.
        2. Peter the Great is also a cannibal of cannibals. Peter built on the bones. The fleet is also on the bones and so on. and so on. And the fact that Russia could not be pulled out differently does not bother anyone.
        3. Catherine the Great - the greatest harlot. Mass terror is not attributed to her, but they are not limited to fantasies about her amorous life. With whom she just did not sleep. Starting from the Orlovs to grooms, what’s grooms there, and even horses were dragged. And no one cares that she led a very moderate lifestyle, practically did not drink alcohol and was mainly engaged in the affairs of the empire. Yes, she had a lot of favorites, but what of that?
        4. Joseph Stalin - I will not even repeat myself here because the list of his "atrocities" will not fit into the commentary.

        At the same time, at the same military center, someone Ryzhov tried to convince us with a whole series of articles that Peter III was the lamb of God, and Catherine the fiend of hell. About Nicholas the Bloody and I will not speak. Whoever just didn’t lick him.
        That is, they say they want the worthy, but praise those with whom Russia crashed. Conclusions suggest themselves ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 09: 48
          +1
          If Nikolashka was "bloody", then RI would be safe and sound. And he was slobbering. The tsar rag.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 09: 53
            +8
            AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
            If Nikolashka was "bloody"
            Refresh your memory? He became bloody from the first minutes of his reign! The tragedy on the Khodyn field during the coronation, does it mean anything to you? Bloody Sunday, "Stolypin ties", victims of the Russian-Japanese war, the death of two squadrons, the WWI meat grinder and, as a result of his incompetent reign, the Civil War, it's all on his conscience!
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 10: 00
              -9
              Compared to his followers, Nikolashka was the lamb of God. About 2000 executed and 17 thousand dead in the riots. There are a bit more victims of red terror - about 1.2 million. Yes, and Civil began after his death, he probably organized it from the other world.
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 10: 09
                +6
                AS Ivanov. (Andrey) About 2000 executed and 17 thousand dead in the riots. The victims of the Red Terror are slightly larger - approximately 1.2 million.
                Why don’t you consider the victims of Russian-Japanese and WWI here?
                Yes, and Civil began after his death, he probably organized it from the next world.
                The Civil War is a direct consequence of his mediocre rule, so that he is fully guilty of its victims.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 10: 27
                  -3
                  Suppose Civil, mainly on the conscience of the Bolsheviks. Their usurpation of power and the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly - the main reason for the Civil, there were few monarchists in the White movement. Well, if you count the war, on whose account we will record the losses in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War and unjustified losses in the Finnish campaign? So, it’s incorrect to consider war, otherwise Peter will have to blame the losses during the capture of Narva and during Poltava.
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 10: 40
                    +8
                    AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                    Suppose Civil, mainly on the conscience of the Bolsheviks. Their usurpation of power and the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly is the main reason for the Civil
                    Oooh, a favorite song about the US and the usurpation of power began. The first usurper, for that matter, was a mediocre interim government. By the way, the Bolsheviks can be called usurpers with a very big stretch. The Provisional Government, through its mediocrity, brought the country to a state of complete decline, and anyone could take the courage to do so, because this power just lay underfoot. By October 1917, the temporary workers no longer had any real power; they did not even control Peter, not to mention the whole country.
                    And the US had legitimacy below the baseboard, maybe. the majority of the population did not participate in the elections.
                    Well, if you count the war, on whose account we will record the losses in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War and unjustified losses in the Finnish campaign? So, it’s incorrect to consider war, otherwise Peter will have to blame the losses during the capture of Narva and during Poltava.
                    Neither Peter nor Stalin had the choice to start a war or not. And Nikolai had a choice, so here yours do not dance!
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 10: 45
                      -1
                      What did the Temporary have to do with Nikolasha? They, in fact, overthrew him and the emperor is not responsible for their policies. The fault of Nicholas II is different: he had a brilliant opportunity to crack down on conspirators in the upper echelons of power and on revolutionaries of all stripes according to the laws of wartime out of court. There was not enough will - therefore - Tsar Rag.
                      1. Alexander Suvorov
                        Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 10: 52
                        +7
                        AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                        What did the Temporary have to do with Nikolasha?
                        Have you heard anything about cause and effect relationships?
                        and for their policies, the emperor is not responsible.
                        He is responsible for his policy, which led the country to the situation it led to.
                        King Rag.
                        Here I agree!
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 29 November 2019 21: 45
                        -1
                        The guys are just muddying an alternative story - here they have Nikolai started a civil war and he created a provisional government to overthrow himself. One of the alternatives here was that Nikolai unleashed the first world war — he wanted to feed the whole Russian Empire with French rolls — cattle.
                  2. Witness 45
                    Witness 45 1 December 2019 22: 31
                    -1
                    And thank God that the Bolsheviks dispersed the Constituent Assembly, otherwise they would have set up such a talking room there, compared to which, Rada under Poroshenko was a model of business efficiency itself, and while they chatted, Russia finally fell apart because it was a critical period, Russia was on the verge of , too lazy to cite facts to confirm this. Actions were needed, not disputes.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 29 November 2019 16: 41
                  +4
                  ...... a consequence of his mediocre rule .....
                  As a result of his reign, even those who were next to him were opposed to him ---- the royal family, the military, the bourgeois elite, the church congratulated the interim government .... That's what.
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 29 November 2019 10: 25
                -11
                What is 1.2 million for them. There were only 700 thousand written above. Total. Think about it.
                Of course, those who simply died in the camp, or else where it is not necessary to count.
                Stalin personally didn’t shoot them.
                And those whom he shot, of course, were to blame. Indeed, it is written in their affairs, and in no case can one doubt the veracity of what was written in the USSR. Everything is true - both in newspapers and in affairs, and on television.
                This is the logic of these historians.
                1. Witness 45
                  Witness 45 1 December 2019 22: 44
                  +1
                  Well, "America" ​​was discovered, but the whole history of mankind is on blood and millions of victims, and how many millions were thrown on the altar of "perestroika and reforms" by perestroika in Russia and other republics - interethnic conflicts, rampant crime, a sharp drop in living standards and, as a result, depression , the growth of alcoholism, drug addiction, the decline of morality and other "flowers" from "reformers. Well, yes, only a few million, you think, but still, for the sake of democracy longed for by liberoids, and personally Gaidar and his accomplice did not shoot anyone either, did not get drunk , they didn’t put on a needle and didn’t drag them into gangs, didn’t you say so?
              3. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 29 November 2019 11: 30
                +6
                Andrew! In all fairness, how about the victims of the "white terror". Who hung the Podtyolkovites on the telegraph poles? Until we stop measuring the executed, peace will not come in our country. Are we going to butt? Cases must be handed over to the archives - even historians should not be allowed to see them as long as there are "red" historians and "liberal" historians.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 11: 41
                  -3
                  There was white terror, no doubt. About 300 thousand became victims of white terror. The victims of red steel are 1,2 million. The Civil War is one of the most disgraceful pages of our history.
                  1. Basil50
                    Basil50 30 November 2019 14: 21
                    +2
                    to Ivanov
                    Lie completely.
                    It was only in Crimea that the whites themselves reported in 120000 (XNUMX) shot. How many white whales killed? How many Kapelevites-Kolchak-Vragelevites and others killed ?. How many Poles-Balts killed? How many Finns killed, and not only in cities in cities? You can also ask about the interventionists, how many did they kill?
                    Whites and interventionists waged war just like the Nazis. They burned, robbed, killed simply on a whim or for intimidation. There is not a single mention of any of the whites and interventionists who have at least somehow been convicted of perpetrated atrocities. associates.
            2. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
              ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 29 November 2019 10: 55
              -9
              researchers who carefully worked with documents in order to give the lowest possible number of repressed, as the late historian V.N. Zemskov, still get three million 800 thousand repressed, 800 thousand executed and about a million dead in the camps plus 157 thousand people shot in 1941-45 by the sentence of the tribunals of the Red Army.
              Stalin personally shot approximately 45 (in letters: forty-five thousand) people included in 338 death lists, approved personally by the most humane Stalin and sealed by his company I.St.
              The bloody emperor Nicholas II did not sign a single death sentence, for which every Soviet person hates him. In comparison, the fascist regime of Mussolini from 1927 to 1945 executed 31 (thirty-one) people for political crimes and 92 soldiers were sentenced to death by the tribunal.
              The total number of those executed by the Soviets in 1921 - 1953. for state and war crimes (rounding up): 800000 (for the state security, Pavlov's certificate) + 175000 (data for the Second World War, according to the certificates of Babukhin and Gorshenin, minus duplicate data of those repressed in the affairs of state security) + 10000 (underestimation of departmental statistics for 1933 Teplyakov) + 22000 (Katyn) - 44000 (criminals shot in the "kulak operation" and recorded in the general statistics before the GB cases). A total of 963000 people were killed.
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 11: 14
                +9
                ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                Stalin personally shot approximately 45 (in letters: forty-five thousand)
                Nnn yes ... Well, what can I say? Quietly slate rustling, schiz mowed our ranks ... fool
                Can you tell me from what weapon Stalin "personally shot them"? "Nagant", "Mauser" or "TT"? Or maybe he fired at them from "Maxim"? laughing laughing laughing

                I was not too lazy here and calculated that Stalin personally shoot 45000 people, we take from the 37th to the 52nd year, we get 15 years, this is 3000 a year, respectively 8,2 people a day, if this is without days off.
                And when only Stalin had time to do business, if he still needed to execute 8? Probably did not sleep at all, but there were calluses from "TT" on my hands ... laughing laughing laughing
                1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                  ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 29 November 2019 12: 59
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  And when only did Stalin manage to do business, if he still needed to execute 8?

                  Comrade Suvorov, do you really doubt the genius of Dzhugashvili? Currently detected death sentences for 45 thousand people, personally signed by Stalinthat even fanatical Dzhugashviliists like you cannot dispute. Because one signature of Dzhugashvili doomed to the death of people from a list of thousands of names. On just one day, September 12, 1938, the hardworking Stalin and Molotov signed a verdict for the shooting of 3173 people.I am sure that the most humane Dzhugashvili would have signed 450 thousand death sentences, but innate kindness interfered. By the way, German figures convicted by the Nuremberg Tribunal also did not personally pull the trigger, which did not prevent the same Soviet prosecutors from condemning them for crimes against humanity. keep this photo with a signature made personally by the hand of the greatest Dzhugashvili as a keepsake: SHOOT. I. Article.
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 13: 25
                    +7
                    ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                    Comrade
                    Is it an insult or is your ignorance? If an insult, then I am not offended by the sick and the monarchy.
                    Do you really doubt the genius of Dzhugashvili?
                    I don’t doubt how much.
                    At this time, found death sentences for 45 thousand people, signed personally by Stalin
                    And what of that? Well, he signed the execution lists, then what? Or are there some innocents on these lists?
                    I would now have all our lousy intelligentsia, all this golden youth, all these secular lionesses, as well as all thieves under a knife and would have thrown what? Want to say would be wrong?
                    All your trouble is that you groan so much about those killed by "Stalin personally" without trying to get to the bottom of the issue. And the bottom line is that there were no innocent people, and if there were, it was absolutely minuscule.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 29 November 2019 16: 52
                      0
                      Yeah what's there Alexander Suvorov, lionesses, tiligents, youth, ---- not the point in them! They would all be quiet and reeducated fool quickly, if the property of today's capitalist state were protected by laws, as then by socialist ones, if the punishment of the robbers was like then!
                      Camrad Alxander Green somehow cited data ---- did not save the plane, left in the rain ---- shooting, there are also other examples that can now be called negligence!
                  2. Witness 45
                    Witness 45 1 December 2019 22: 51
                    0
                    Observing what is happening today, on blatant inequality, on rampant crime, embezzlement, corruption, we can conclude that I didn’t shoot a lot, I should have done more, the roots remained, in the 80-90s sprouted and today are blooming.
              2. Basil50
                Basil50 30 November 2019 14: 37
                +3
                Alexei
                To the one who, even in outright serial killers, sees only * victims * ......
                Among those lists is M Spiridonov. This is the very inspirer of the Socialist-Revolutionary revolts in anticipation of the English interventionists. Only in Yaroslavl, several thousand people died then. They could not count everyone, the bodies were dumped into the Volga.
                There were on that list also Komuch figures, those whom Kolchakites did not have time to kill in the struggle for power. These commanders came up with the idea of ​​stoking barges with prisoners.
                Even Kolchakites on such arresting barges shot and did not drown living people.
              3. Petrograd
                Petrograd 30 November 2019 22: 51
                +3
                Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                In comparison, the fascist regime of Mussolini from 1927 to 1945 executed 31 (thirty-one) people for political crimes and 92 soldiers were sentenced to death by the tribunal.

                It was for "humanity and philanthropy" that Mussolini and his woman Clara Petacci (previously raped) were shot and hanged by the legs in the square by the "grateful citizens of the Roman Empire" ...
                1. Liam
                  Liam 30 November 2019 23: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Petrograd
                  Clara Petacci (raped before)

                  Delirium
                  1. Petrograd
                    Petrograd 30 November 2019 23: 52
                    +2
                    Tales of "noble Italians" appeared in the 50-60s, the position of the Italian Communist Party was strong and Walter Audisio (Italian Walter Audisio), also known as Colonel Valerio and Giovan Battista Magnoli - a leader of the Italian anti-fascist Resistance movement, a communist, a lieutenant colonel - it was he who invented a beautiful legend (being an executioner who committed an execution without trial or investigation.

                    surprisingly, she has different clothes
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 30 November 2019 23: 58
                      -1
                      You are in the wrong steppe suffered something. Once again. Your statement that Petacci was raped-delirium
                      1. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 1 December 2019 00: 47
                        +2
                        Refute if delirium. Forward
                      2. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 1 December 2019 03: 13
                        +1
                        If in the photo of the corpse of Duce you can still (with a big stretch) see traces of a gunshot wound - the lower left part of the hypochondrium (and, frankly speaking, they fired a bullet in his stomach and already mocked the wounded man), then where do you (Liam) see traces of Clara Petucci's bullet wounds, fired "gallant and indignant" partisan Audiio. When comparing the photo, it can be seen (I admit that so) above the left chest there is a wound similar to that of the Duce, which is not fatal. Share Liam - where did he shoot?
            3. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 29 November 2019 12: 20
              +5
              Alexander Suvorov! To the above, I would add the shameful tyagomotin with Rasputin - the name of this phenomenon is favoritism. Rasputin - Chubais of the 1st century, does this remind you of anything?
              1. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 12: 45
                +6
                I agree Michael. Anyway, the whole reign of Nikolashka is one complete misunderstanding. And all because he was not fit to reign from the word at all. He was not interested in anything, but not in state affairs. Even during the WWII, instead of working for the benefit of his own throne tirelessly, he managed to find time for walks, hunting and receptions. This is evident from his diaries. There is not so much a description of real affairs as how the weather was and who they were visiting, what they ate and what they drank. His affairs are always casual and with some kind of neglect.
                Type:
                “July 15th. Tuesday. He accepted the report of Sukhomlinov and Yanushkevich. Had breakfast: Elena and Vera Montenegrin. At 2 1/2 took in Bolsh. the palace of representatives of the congress of the naval clergy with about. Shavelsky headed. Played tennis. At 5 o’clock. we went with my daughters to Sagittarius to visit Aunt Olga and drank tea with her and Mitya. At 8 1/2 took Sazonov, cat. reported that today at noon Austria declared war on Serbia. Lunch: Olga and Arsenyev (dezh.). I read and wrote all evening. ”

                July 24th. Thursday.

                Today, Austria finally declared war on us. Now the situation is completely defined. From 11 1/2 at the Farm I had a meeting of the Council of Ministers. Alix walked into the city in the morning and returned with Victoria and Ella. In addition to them, they had breakfast: Kostya and Mavra, who had just returned from Germany and, like Alec, had difficulty crossing the border. It rained warm all day. Walked. Victoria and Ella had lunch and then left for the city. ”
                So where is it about specific cases? It’s just some kind of freak, not a king. Therefore, I can never understand the perverts who are worn with him like a chem with a sieve.
                1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                  ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 29 November 2019 13: 28
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  This is evident from his diaries. There is not so much a description of real affairs as how the weather was and who they were visiting, what they ate and what they drank. His affairs are always casual and with some kind of neglect.

                  Suvorov, why don't you quote "The Diary of the Maid of Honor Vyrubova" by the great Soviet writer A Tolstoy (Bostrom)? There are such pearls - the Marquis de Sade is resting! There is also the "Diary of Rasputin" by the authors of Kotsyubinsky and Lukoyanov, but I confess I have not read it ... However, I think it is no worse than the "Diary of Nicholas II". And in general, why don't you, as a Soviet person, write "The Diary of Nicholas II" with your own hand? For example, your grandfather, a revolutionary sailor, burst into the Winter Palace, where he found a diary written down by Emperor Nicholas II with his own hand. Your grandfather bequeathed this diary to be published a hundred years after the October Revolution:
                  "Monday February 30th. Hunted flying birds in the park. Shot 86 crows, 28 penguins and 17 pterodactyls.
                  Tuesday, February 31. Robbed an old woman on the porch, took 20 cents. Good day!
                  Wednesday, February 32. I went to see Rasputin with my wife. At the exit from the metro I kicked the orphan. Grigory and Alexandra were lying in bed, and I was holding a candle. I love him, a real Russian muzhik! ... "

                  And so on. I am sure you will gain great glory among Soviet people as a truth-seeker who has revealed the terrible secrets of bloody tsarism!
                  1. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 14: 16
                    +7
                    ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH And in general, why don't you, as a Soviet person, write "The Diary of Nicholas II" with your own hand?
                    There is no need to falsify anything, everything is as clear as a white day.
                    A person is judged by his deeds, and the deeds are as follows:
                    1. Nicholas II, adored by you, has profiled a great empire. His mediocre rule brought the country to collapse, and this is an indisputable fact. You can write a lot about his mistakes and miscalculations, but we will dwell on what I indicated above.
                    2. Stalin accepted the country with a plow, but left it with a nuclear bomb, and this is also a fact that neither you nor anyone else can challenge. I don’t see the point in describing all the achievements of the Stalin period, you still won’t appreciate it, but those who need it already know everything.
                    One mediocre who failed and lost everything, including his own life. Another genius who twice pulled the country out of ruin and won the most terrible war in the history of mankind!
                    Actually that's all!
                    1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                      ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 29 November 2019 16: 26
                      -8
                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      Stalin accepted the country with a plow, but left it with a nuclear bomb, and this is also a fact that neither you nor anyone else can challenge.

                      Nah, I won’t! Moreover, I completely share your opinion: Nicholas II left the country with aviation, battleships, cars, steam locomotives! And his successors: Chkheidze, Kerensky, Ulyanov and Bronstein, brought the matter to pieces! So, you yourself admitted that the Soviet government destroyed the imperial industry and 10 years brought the country to the plow, with which he accepted the USSR Dzhugashvili in 1927!
                      1. Petrograd
                        Petrograd 1 December 2019 02: 44
                        0
                        Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
                        Nicholas II left the country with aviation, battleships, cars, steam locomotives

                        Nikolay # 2 - did not leave the country but renounced the Empire with aviation (90% foreign, rather outdated aircraft and 100% imported engines), with battleships - ??? Alyosha name at least one battleship of RI .... but battleships of the "Gangut" type are historically late for the Russian-Japanese war from the word "battleship" at all in comparison with the "Dreadnought". What cars in RI are they? "Russo-Balt" does not count, a drop in the bucket and again everything is procurement-screwdriver assembly, as they say now. Locomotives, yeah, how many were there? Don't be fooled.
                2. Petrograd
                  Petrograd 30 November 2019 23: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  I agree Michael. Anyway, the whole reign of Nikolashka is one complete misunderstanding. And all because he was not fit to reign from the word at all.

                  Apparently good, he was "attached" twice in Otsu in 1891.
                  According to the medical report drawn up on the day of the attempt, Nikolai had the following injuries:
                  a 9-centimeter long occipital-parietal wound with diverging edges, penetrating through the entire thickness of the skin to the bone and located in the region of the right parietal bone;
                  frontal-parietal wound 10 centimeters longer than the first by 6 centimeters, running almost parallel to it and penetrating through the entire skin to the bone;
                  a superficial transverse wound about 4 millimeters in length on the right auricle;
                  a superficial transverse wound about 1 centimeter long on the back of the right hand, between the index and thumb.

                  Maybe the truth is the last brains shook and his mind left ...
      3. Gays
        Gays 29 November 2019 12: 34
        +5
        All the same, I do not agree with you. In various sources I met a figure from 4 to 7 thousand people. Is it a lot or a little? Speaking from the position of modernity, a lot, because every person’s life is valuable and blah blah blah .... the terrible bloody ghoul.

        From the point of view of the morals of the 15-16th century, this is not even an educational flogging, especially for such a huge country (at the time of the reign of Grozny, about 11-12 million people lived in the territories). About Bartholomew’s night with 30 thousand carved in France (population 18-19 million) has already been written. And there was still a fence in the UK, at about the same time where the gentlemen hung the peasants, who had been ravaged by their policies, hung up ravaged by their policies. She hanged nearly 70 thousand and England was less than Russia.
      4. Svarog51
        Svarog51 29 November 2019 20: 30
        +7
        Vladimir hi Are you now "for Stalin"? Here Stalin would have brought Grudinin ... ahem ... to court, if not to say stricter. How is that? Before that, you were against Stalin, al not?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 29 November 2019 20: 39
          +3
          Quote: Svarog51
          Before that, you were against Stalin, al not so?

          I was against Stalin? Sergey, you are clearly confusing me with someone .. laughing As for Grudinin, you would rather reward him, since Grudinin is the only one in Russia .. Or do you still know people who have kept a state farm, built kindergartens, schools, provided their workers with apartments, ZP pays very decent .. But all of today's Stalin would surely have shot the elite .. well, maybe not everyone, but for sure the elite, and they atoned for the rest with labor for the good of the Motherland ..
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 29 November 2019 09: 35
      +5
      Not only "political" were executed. There were also bandits and murderers, and they made up the majority of the repressed.
  2. WILL
    WILL 29 November 2019 05: 53
    +19
    Libirasti - Watch the video carefully! Stalin - The Great Man, slandered by the Bast Corn!
    The country under Stalin won the Second World War, created nuclear weapons, eliminated illiteracy, created advanced science - protecting the state! Great Leader - Great Country! This saying has sounded more than once, but I repeat ... Stalin took over the Country with Soha - left it with the Nuclear Bomb ... having at his disposal worn boots ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 29 November 2019 06: 42
      +7
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Stalin took over the Country with Soha - Left with the Nuclear Bomb ... having at his disposal worn boots ...

      it seems there was still a pipe and ten rubles ...
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 09: 27
        +8
        Airfield (Airfield)
        it seems there was still a pipe and ten rubles ...
        A little more, but nonetheless very significant, especially in comparison with the current powers that be.
        1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;

        2. Notebook, leather, red;

        3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);

        4. General notebook with notes, red cover;

        5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list.

        Bedroom and wardrobe:

        6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).

        7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;

        8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;

        9. Pants - 10;

        10. The underwear is folded into a box under No. 2.

        Boxed under number 3: 6 tunic jackets, 10 trousers, 4 greatcoats, 4 caps. Notebooks, notebooks, and personal notes are packed in a box under No. 1. Bath and shower accessories were packed in box No. 4. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. A savings book was discovered in the bedroom, 900 rubles were recorded in it. The time for completing the inventory and document is 0 hours 45 minutes on March 6, 1953.

        Present: (signature) ORLOV (signature) STAROSTIN (signature) TUKOV (signature) BUTUSOV.
        It should be emphasized that Stalin, although he was awarded the Order of the Hero of the USSR, nevertheless practically did not wear it, preferring the Order of the Hero of Socialist Labor.
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 29 November 2019 06: 51
      -8
      "Under Stalin, I won the Second World War, created nuclear weapons, eliminated illiteracy," And with the Russian language you are not very good, but you will write slogans about Stalin.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 29 November 2019 07: 53
        +12
        Quote: Pessimist22
        "Under Stalin, I won the Second World War, created nuclear weapons, eliminated illiteracy," And with the Russian language you are not very good, but you will write slogans about Stalin.

        try from the phone, in traffic, without glasses ... then tell. yes
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 29 November 2019 10: 03
          +2
          try from the phone, in traffic, without glasses ... then tell

          be careful while driving hi
        2. Mestny
          Mestny 29 November 2019 10: 28
          -7
          Why? Are you encrypted?
          Correctly. Around the evil liberals. Suddenly they will attack, and Putin will make him shout well done.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2019 21: 57
      -7
      All this was created on someone’s bones, and the atomic bomb was created at the limit of the capabilities of the whole country
      1. Witness 45
        Witness 45 1 December 2019 22: 59
        -1
        And if they had not created "all this," and if they had not created an atomic bomb, albeit at the limit of the country's capabilities, then there would be no bones left of the country, of Russia, including liberoids.
  3. lucul
    lucul 29 November 2019 06: 03
    +4
    Myths and facts: "how many people executed Stalin"

    So liberals hate Stalin not for how much he killed the Russians (it makes no difference to them), liberals hate Stalin for how much he killed the Jews.
    Especially 1937 for them is generally a litmus test .....
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    2. Witness 45
      Witness 45 1 December 2019 23: 02
      0
      Lucul, and they still hate him for not allowing Russia to be placed under the West as a pro-presidential prostitute, but they have been dreaming like that since the age of 17.
  4. Rwmos
    Rwmos 29 November 2019 06: 27
    +11
    Yes, it's a long-standing rzhach. It is fun to discuss this topic with liberals - well, since Stalin shot everyone - who shies away at parades of veterans of the same SS in the Baltic states and Ukraine? Cruel and bloody crimes - he, such a bastard, took all Crimean Tatars from Crimea! Yes? And where are these different Jamilevs born? In Crimea? And the terribly pissed Lenur Islyamov in the priest of the world, in Tashkent wandered around the shelters or received a higher education, poor-zenocenic throughout the skullcap? Can you tell me how at that time the Japanese veterans exiled to the concentration camps?

    Or do you remember about Naglia at the same time?
  5. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 29 November 2019 08: 12
    +14
    If I were an opponent of our liberal lovers to cry over the "victims of repression" I would be engaged in deeds, and not formally reviewing their cases. I am sure that most of the repressed were inveterate scoundrels, whom it was right to execute, for example, Zinoviev, Radek and comp. Secondly, from the experience of my relatives, I know that in this case, it was not Stalin who was responsible for the repression, but colleagues who wanted to take the place. The husband of my late aunt was the commissar of the military school. In a drunken company, he told a bawdy anecdote about Stalin. Someone reported to anyone and he ended his life in a penal battalion. so the question arises, if you are such a Leninist that you have become a whole commissar, why defame the leader. Thirdly, I learn about the continuous revelations of our officials, mired in theft, I involuntarily wonder what. maybe a bullet is a medicine for the rest of those who want to cash in on theft.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 November 2019 08: 54
      -1
      But in China, there is still a respectful attitude towards Radek and Bukharin. And Trotsky’s work is being published there.
      1. alex jkubovski
        alex jkubovski 29 November 2019 09: 22
        +2
        These people are rightly spanked, the enemies and Tukhachevsky deed them all !!!
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 2 December 2019 09: 45
          +1
          And for which they plopped in 1938-1939. most of the members of the trial of Tukhachevsky and the company? So it turns out that some enemies of the people judged another enemy of the people? And for which many investigators were shot or imprisoned from among those who were involved in both the Tukhachevsky case and the cases of those who tried Tukhachevsky?
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 29 November 2019 09: 47
        +1
        Minusator, you can easily find confirmation of my words on the Internet.
      3. Witness 45
        Witness 45 1 December 2019 23: 05
        +1
        And Stalin is generally deified in China.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 2 December 2019 09: 40
          +1
          Not really. They criticize for a lot. However, like Mao. Our Stalinists would also benefit from the recognition that Stalin could also be mistaken.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2019 08: 33
    +6
    But for many people, the stuffing of Western historians becomes the ultimate truth,

    You need to have your head on your shoulders and study the history of YOUR COUNTRY more carefully.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 November 2019 17: 02
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      But for many people, the stuffing of Western historians becomes the ultimate truth,

      You need to have your head on your shoulders and study the history of YOUR COUNTRY more carefully.

      There are many opportunities to explore. Do they all want to? Those who say that they are talking about millions of shots are definitely not going to study, but only howl!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2019 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Those who say that they are talking about millions of executed people are definitely not going to study, but only howl!

        There was a class struggle, spies, traitors, criminals and all sorts of different things ... no global cataclysms can do without it! our country is large and the scale of everything, everything, is amazing!
        But in essence, events and actions are nothing special compared to others! EVERYTHING in line with universal traditions!
  7. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
    Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 29 November 2019 08: 55
    0
    Only #Ahijak! hi
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 29 November 2019 21: 13
      -1
      Quote: Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
      Only #Ahijak! hi

      Well yes! Well yes, foreign bully agents do not want to be called that am they are encrypted, they are ashamed, they "hold on" for Russia. crying crying
  8. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 29 November 2019 09: 20
    +5
    There is no way to build a great power and not beat some dishes.
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 5 December 2019 20: 38
      -1
      Is this a little for you?
  9. Ekpin Tөlentaev
    Ekpin Tөlentaev 29 November 2019 09: 26
    +2
    Read V. Zemskov "Stalin and the people." All the figures are taken from various sources, including closed ones and have been doing this all his life. V. Zemskov became a recognized authority in historiography. Next, read the works of Yu. Zhukov, who is also more than 25 years old. he worked with archival documents and was mainly concerned with the life and work of J.V. Stalin. And finally, in modern Russia there is the only adequate author of a textbook on the history of Russia, V.Spitsyn. So read him.
  10. Vyacheslav1962
    Vyacheslav1962 29 November 2019 09: 54
    +8
    I don’t even feel like watching a video.
    In the early 80s, while still a young man, he read several reprinted works of Mr. Solzhenitsyn on the subject of repression. Thanks to him, long before perestroika, as well as comparing the mean stories of relatives and acquaintances of an older age, the question of the millions of innocent victims in the dungeons of the NKVD was completely closed for me.
    Mr. Solzhenitsyn once again confirmed to me that Knowledge is power. The use of simple mathematics in reading his books showed that the number of victims almost exceeded the entire population of the country. Of course, I exaggerate, but upon reading it created the feeling that at least every second living person was an innocent victim.
    At all times and under any social order, there were those who were "for" and "against". Of those who were "against", a number of branches were formed: quietly living, hating, but resigned for the time being; surreptitiously shitting, but dressed up as respected members of this society; openly hating, both in word and in deed. The latter, as a rule, for the most part were not elements within this society, but lived outside its borders.
    The most interesting category is the second: externally respected, speaking from the stands with beautiful slogans, making maximum use of the state apparatus in their interests, with a complete lack of love for the motherland. As a rule, the same category for the most part constituted the basis of the ruler close to the body. Indeed, in order to spoil beautifully and efficiently and there was nothing for it, one must have access to the top and administrative resources for his defense. The disrespect and contempt of contemporaries was replaced after a decade by the erection of these figures in national heroes, freethinkers, brave opponents of the government. Due to their last results, they were included in such a way in later history.
    In modern Russia, all the bloody events that took place in the history of the state are accepted to be attributed to three rulers: Ivan IV, Peter I, Stalin. Although there were always plenty of such rulers, under whom blood flowed like a river. At least recall the Baptism of Russia, which, most likely, is not so harmless, passed, as we studied from school textbooks.
    Any state has an apparatus for suppressing its population, and this is the norm, with the only difference being that in the modern world this apparatus is more sophisticated in its abilities and capabilities.
    And if the Code of Criminal Procedure of the USSR had acted on the territory of Russia now and the incredible thing had happened - everyone would have been made equal before the law, then the 90s of the last century and 2000s would have overshadowed all previous controversial bloodsheds.
    And years later, through ... our grandchildren would read from textbooks how many statesmen, beautiful intelligentsia, honest security officials and so on, were destroyed at the beginning of the 21st century, etc., etc., ...
    Although it does not threaten them. The coming to power of an independent person who loves the Motherland and the people in an age when one value is invested in the brain is money, it is unlikely that it is possible.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 29 November 2019 10: 35
      -8
      Quote: Vyacheslav1962
      And if the Code of Criminal Procedure of the USSR acted now on the territory of Russia

      In this case, everyone who is against the state would not have scribbled posts on the Internet, but would have traveled far.
      And so - nothing, you can.
      So all fighters, historians of all stripes, and other myth writers should thank you for saying that it does not work.
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 29 November 2019 14: 24
        +3
        Breathe for now, take a walk on the loose a little more.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 December 2019 09: 51
      +1
      In the USSR, the all-Union Criminal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure never existed. There were the Criminal Code and the Criminal Procedure Code of the Union Republics. At the union level were the Foundations of the criminal and criminal procedural legislation of the USSR and the Union republics.
  11. Ilya Zaitsev
    Ilya Zaitsev 29 November 2019 11: 47
    -9
    It is a shame for the Power, and the Stalin era is a gloomy spot on the body of the people.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 29 November 2019 12: 19
      +3
      A gloomy spot on the body of the people, it’s you and others like you, as well as a government of bloodsuckers sucking on the body of the people and drinking its blood!
  12. ochakow703
    ochakow703 29 November 2019 12: 55
    +4
    I am sure that now we do not have enough Stalinist strictness to restore order. Blossomed at the root of the Young Bourgeois!
  13. Vyacheslav1962
    Vyacheslav1962 29 November 2019 12: 56
    +5
    Quote: Ilya Zaitsev
    and the Power is insulting, and the Stalin era is a gloomy spot on the body of the people.

    The Stalin era in relation to the people is:
    - to be a citizen of an industrial power with which the entire world community was reckoned;
    - the mass of affordable free education among all walks of life and raising the cultural level of the population;
    - the availability of free medical care and the victory over diseases that were inherent, especially in villages, until the 17th year;
    - The education of true patriotism, entailing self-sacrifice in difficult times for the motherland;
    - a real, and not on paper, struggle to reduce crime;
    - guaranteed comfortable old age;
    - guaranteed job;
    - financial stability of the consumer and communal basket, which makes it possible to plan your family budget for many years to come;
    - free of charge, albeit after a long wait in line, an improvement in housing conditions;
    - the opportunity to develop their children in free or shareware circles and sections, as well as with peace of mind let the children go outside;

    This is only a small fraction of all the bad that was created during the Stalin era.
    It was really bad, but for the most part this bad came from those who deep down wanted to be like the current powers that be.
    The bright spot on the body of the people, which now exists with the possibility of trips abroad and the presence of everything in stores, as well as the presence of pseudo democracy, for me personally, does not outweigh its own side.
    I am closer to the dark that I managed to catch and thanks to which I became an educated and sought after specialist. And like most of my contemporaries, thanks to, among other things, Soviet upbringing, he did not become a Thief at his homeland, even in difficult moments for himself.
  14. Andrey Krasnoslobodsky
    Andrey Krasnoslobodsky 29 November 2019 13: 51
    -6
    Dear author, Stalin is criticized not only for the fact that he shot, but also for the fact that the illiterate policy of collectivization in the early years of 1929-1933 led to hunger, according to various estimates from 4 to 8 million people became victims of it. Of course, the activities of Stalin cannot be underestimated; he met the country with a plow, and he did not argue with nuclear reactors. But at what cost !?
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 29 November 2019 14: 42
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Krasnoslobodsky
      Stalin is criticized not only for the fact that he shot, but also for the fact that the illiterate policy of collectivization in the early years of 1929-1933 led to hunger, according to various estimates from 4 to 8 million people became victims of it.

      If there were no collectivization, there would be more victims of hunger. The village refused to sell grain, saving it at more favorable prices. How to feed the city?

      Illiterate politics is a local initiative. Make the smart guy pray to God - he will break his forehead. And Stalin just pulled up those running ahead of the locomotive with the article "Dizzy with Success."

      Quote: Andrey Krasnoslobodsky
      You can’t but evaluate Stalin, he met the country with a plow, and he did not argue with nuclear reactors. But at what cost !?

      Oh yes, the price was too high! It would have been much easier to meet the fascist with the carts, to this day to disappear from the pages of history. This is a good price, right?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2019 22: 11
        -3
        If there wasn’t collectivization and the land was not taken away from the peasants - there wouldn’t be any hunger at all, the villages would develop and feed themselves - and now we have the death of the Russian village, the end of which was laid in 1928 when the dispossession of the kulaks began, but more gone through. Industrialization was carried out for that, although in the Great Patriotic War 34% of everything that was created during it was lost and another 70000 villages and hamlets, 98000 collective farms, 2800 state farms, 2900 MTS, 7 million horses and 13 million head of cattle are approximate data.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 30 November 2019 03: 26
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          If there wasn’t collectivization and the land was not taken away from the peasants, there wouldn’t be any famine at all, villages would develop and feed themselves

          You are probably very young - I don’t even remember myself so illogical as a twenty-year-old.

          Well, the village would "feed themselves". How would you like the city to feed itself?

          This time. The second - what kind of development, and not only the village, but the country in general, can we talk about when allotments for the farm are 2 hectares?

          Quote: Vadim237
          when they started dispossession of fists

          Fist is a world-eater, a rural moneylender. I already have a callus in the language on the topic, so let the monitor do the educational program:
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 30 November 2019 17: 10
            0
            Without any calluses — my relatives are still alive alone for a hundred and the fact that in the Volgograd region and in Crimea whole villages were starving to death from their words, the true truth was dispossessed not only of the kulaks, but for the most part the middle peasants — which were the families of my grandfather and her grandmother half brother surviving dispossession and starvation. And the cities would have been collectivized — collective farms and state farms created around them, and the city would have the so-called mobilizers working in them.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 30 November 2019 19: 02
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              dispossessed not only of the kulaks but mostly the middle peasants

              No need to whistle.

              400 thousand families were depopulated. At that time there were about 500 thousand settlements in the USSR. Those. not even in every village they found at least one kulak. "Eternal Call" look. A vivid picture, it was so - one village, one tsapok. Two bears do not live in the same den.

              But even if it was, it means they quickly figured it out and returned everything back. Each dispossessed had the right to write complaints wherever he wanted. And they understood it. This is not for you today - the official who would not understand, he himself could quickly sit on the bench.
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 November 2019 16: 40
    +2
    If they lie to me about the time in which I lived, then of course I will not believe these people.
  16. jurijsv
    jurijsv 30 November 2019 00: 26
    +2
    Hitler did not bring as much grief as Gorbachev, Vshivarnadze, Yakovlev, and other earplugs. Sorry, but their surnames with a capital letter do not rise.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 30 November 2019 18: 45
      -2
      Quote: jurijsv
      Hitler did not bring as much grief as Gorbachev, Vshivarnadze, Yakovlev, and other earplugs.


      Hitler cost the lives of 26 million of your former fellow citizens. Tell us how you assess the losses from Gorbachev and others?
  17. Nick Russ
    Nick Russ 30 November 2019 09: 52
    +2
    On average, fifty shot per day. And this is only in Butovo. What kind of maniacs should this have been ?!

    ,, From the results of documentary studies carried out by the Permanent Interdepartmental Commission of the Moscow Government to restore the rights of victims of political repression, the circumstances of the executions at the Butovo training ground for the period from August 8, 1937 to October 19, 1938 were clarified. In total, over the indicated period, 20 executions were carried out, 765 thousand people were identified by name. There are no documented information about later burials. As of 20, 2003 people (5595%) remain unrehabilitated. ,,

    This video presents a selection of more than 200 photos of those shot at the Butovo training ground.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YFaBoqmsh8I&feature=youtu.be
    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 17 December 2019 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: Nick Russ
      This video presents a selection of more than 200 photos of those shot at the Butovo training ground.


      For comparison - Butovo landfill. More to the study of fake.
      Fake of Butovo polygon. No victims and evidence of executions

      ... Note: quite calmly signing that there is no confirmation of the myth and never will, nevertheless, Dmitry Grishin takes responsibility, devoting the interlocutor to unknown details: an excavator, a bulldozer, how the new victims developed. But after all, the remains of specific people are not found.
      And something in general - found? Found. Unidentified remains of 149 people. It can be: anyone from any era.
      But boldly speaks of 21000, and nothing but repressed.

      We are still fed these tales, hoping to hand over a barrel of ash, so that, drowning in it with our heads, repent, repent, repent. They paid and repented ...

      https://arctus.livejournal.com/127121.html
  18. kalibr
    kalibr 30 November 2019 11: 13
    0
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    I would now have all our lousy intelligentsia, all this golden youth, all these secular lionesses, as well as all thieves under a knife and would have thrown what? Want to say would be wrong?

    Ai-ai! Recently, one blogger was fined on one of the sites for such offensive language at 10000. Do not create problems for yourself or the site.
  19. kalibr
    kalibr 30 November 2019 11: 17
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    as well as the government of bloodsuckers sucking on the body of the people and drinking their blood!

    What kind of people, such is his government. And bloodsuckers are also from the people, not Martians, after all ...
  20. svoit
    svoit 30 November 2019 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: McAr
    The village refused to sell grain, saving it at more favorable prices. How to feed the city?
    Under NEP, this did not seem to be the case, the grain was quite successfully sold.
    And our collectivization was too reminiscent of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, but although they were late, they still came to the idea that "it doesn't matter what color the cat is ....", and then we had more ideology than pragmatism in collectivization.
  21. Good_Anonymous
    Good_Anonymous 30 November 2019 18: 43
    +2
    A strange argument. Who cares how many he killed (or ordered to kill, which is the same thing)? 45 thousand, 800 thousand, billion - he is still a mass murderer.
  22. MelkorAintGood
    MelkorAintGood 30 November 2019 19: 29
    -3
    Better tell us why the captured Red Army soldiers, as well as the relatives of the "enemies of the people", were imprisoned.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 December 2019 09: 56
      0
      Not all former prisoners were imprisoned, but officers quite often. My wife and I had relatives who were captured. They were not subjected to any repression, but they were ordinary soldiers.
  23. Alevil
    Alevil 30 November 2019 19: 48
    -1
    Found new evidence of Stalin's bloody crimes. This document will convince everyone:
  24. About 2
    About 2 1 December 2019 03: 27
    +1
    Judging by what 30 years ago, Comrade Yakovlev said when he was the head of the KGB, if my memory serves me well, then 650 thousand were victims of repression.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 December 2019 09: 57
      0
      Yakovlev was never the head of the KGB.
  25. AV
    AV 1 December 2019 18: 36
    -2
    Stalin is an eater! Ghoul!
    Remove its rot from the red square (you can send it to your homeland in a garbage bag) and repaint the Kremlin walls in white!
    1. Witness 45
      Witness 45 1 December 2019 23: 14
      -1
      And where only you come from, probably the victims of the exam.
  26. Alevil
    Alevil 1 December 2019 20: 03
    +1
    All the lies poured out on Stalin are precisely connected with the great achievements that they achieved during his rule (especially when compared with the current "successes"). Here is the jealousy of the current authorities for a truly effective leader. And the hatred of a particularly privileged ethnic group towards him for not letting them roam and very competently upsetting them. And hatred for him because of the rise of the Russian statehood and the Russian Spirit. And the fear of the West (so beloved by the current authorities and business) of the geopolitical might of the USSR and the Great Victory.
    1. AV
      AV 1 December 2019 20: 45
      -4
      Dzhugashvili Stalin is an uneducated, vile, cruel ignoramus! Hunger, obscurantism, fear, this is Stalin dzhugashvili! Terrible losses in the war with the Finns, terrible losses in the first years of the war. And these successes! I bought machine tools in America, that's success !!! Worthy of oblivion !!!
      1. Witness 45
        Witness 45 1 December 2019 23: 17
        +3
        "Ai Moska, know she is strong, if she barks at an elephant", in vain puff, you can do it, the people of Stalin will not forget, because Stalin is justice, really, and the people of Russia stood and will stand on this.
  27. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 2 December 2019 12: 31
    0
    The main thing is not how many were executed, but who was executed for what and how it affected the demography.
    Under Stalin, criminals convicted by the courts for specific crimes were executed, and the population of the USSR was constantly growing.
    In the days of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their followers, criminals who got to the bottom of money and authorities killed and kill innocent people, and Russia's population is constantly declining.
  28. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 2 December 2019 12: 33
    -1
    Quote: Corsair5912
    The main thing is not how many were executed, but who was executed for what and how it affected the demography.
    Under Stalin, criminals convicted by the courts for specific crimes were executed, and the population of the USSR was constantly growing.
    In the days of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their followers, criminals who got to the bottom of money and authorities killed and kill innocent people, and Russia's population is constantly declining.
  29. Akli Tereshenko Luhtinen
    Akli Tereshenko Luhtinen 2 December 2019 17: 14
    +1
    Does it mean that imprisonment of people in Soviet concentration camps is often okay? Is it that the Perestroika itself was chaotic, the authors didn’t take into account. But the Stalinist order painted the forests of antes, the elephant of the peasants in collective farms, created the famine in Ukraine in the 30s, Was it all good for the Soviet people?
  30. effect
    effect 5 December 2019 18: 28
    -1
    With the beginning of perestroika, one of the slogans of which was glasnost, it seemed that the time had come to abandon previous misconceptions, including both myths. The Kremlin Archive, which was previously closed to researchers, was liquidated. At the end of 1991, his funds began to be transferred to the Russian Center for the Storage and Study of Documents of Recent History (RCHIDNI) - now the Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History (RGASPI) and the then-created Center for the Storage of Modern Documentation (TSKHSD) - now the Russian State Archive of the Latest stories (RGANI). They started, but did not finish the job. Without publicity and any explanation, in 1996 the most important key materials were again classified. They were securely hidden in the so-called archive of the President of the Russian Federation.
    Far from claiming completeness and therefore indisputable, I venture only on one thing: to get away from both biased points of view, from both myths; try to restore the old, once well-known, and now carefully forgotten, decidedly unnoticed, ignored by all.
    Website "Military literature": militera.lib.ru
    Edition: Zhukov Yu. N. Other Stalin. - M.: Vagrius, 2005
    Book on the website: http://militera.lib.ru/research/zhukov_yn01/index.html

    And in the states or Europe in those years did not die of hunger? Or have people not been executed there? As if no more than in a union. And if the purchase of American machine tools is not an achievement, as someone wrote here, then what can the current effective verbiage cannot repeat? They can not surpass, so you need to spit. Even Brezhnev’s stagnation with its growth rates, moreover real and not due to a change in the calculation methodology, and then the magnitude of the current rulers is unattainable.
  31. Boris Kotov
    Boris Kotov 18 December 2019 02: 59
    +2
    The canonical point of view is 760 thousand executions for 1923-1953. Authors - Zemskov, Yakovlev and other miscarriages of perestroika historical "science". In 1954 or 1955, Minister Kruglov had an estimate of 620 thousand shootings, but there the first year is 1921 or even 1920, that is, there was still a Civil War, epidemics, famine, the fight against the Basmachis, etc. In fact, both figures are overstated. "Zemskovskaya" exactly because there are 660 thousand executions in 1937-38. This is some kind of nonsense. Stalin had nothing to do but put 660 thousand men of working age against the wall? Yes, after the war, even the Vlasovites and policemen were rarely shot, and in 1947 the death penalty was simply abolished for 3 years, but it did not help. Conclusion - the figure is overestimated every 10 times. Most likely, we can talk about 150 thousand death sentences on the territory of the USSR for 1923-1953. Compare with the rampant crime of the 1990s in Russia alone and draw your own conclusions. Stalin was not so cruel. Ivan IV is also considered cruel, but everything is relative when compared with Henry VIII or Selim I.
  32. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 December 2019 17: 03
    0
    Actual topic.
  33. begemot20091
    begemot20091 13 January 2020 21: 11
    0
    Quote: Galleon
    Do you even know that all death camps were in the occupied territories in Poland and the Baltic states?

    And Dachau, and Mauthausen, and Auschwitz, and Bergen-Belsen, and Buchenwald, .... Somehow you guys got confused in historical myths.