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Polish expert outraged by Turkish S-400 air defense tests on F-16 fighters

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In Poland, they reacted to Turkish statements that Ankara would not send its troops to Poland and the Baltic states to “protect against the Russian threat”, as well as C-400 tests in Turkey.


It is under the term “protection against the Russian threat” in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland that the contingent from various NATO countries, including the USA, Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Britain, etc.

Recall: Ankara announced that in NATO the concept of "solidarity" has a duality. From the statement of official Ankara:

Real threats must be confronted - for example, the Kurdistan Workers Party is recognized as a terrorist by all the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Polish observer Jakub Palovski writes that Turkey can veto the project of universal assistance to NATO to the Baltic countries and Poland. According to Palowski, the December meeting of representatives of the countries of the North Atlantic bloc will dot the “i” in the NATO partnership issue. In other words, Poland is going to closely monitor how Turkey will behave at this meeting (summit).

The same Polish observer recalls that France also touches on problems with solidarity in NATO, recalling the words of Emmanuel Macron about the "brain death" of the alliance. From the material of Jakub Palovski:
This can lead to aggressive and risky actions by third countries. Generally speaking, there is a paradox: at a time when the North Atlantic Alliance, after many years of “lethargy,” is slowly, but nonetheless, strengthening militarily (increasing military readiness, deploying units on the eastern flank, increasing defense spending), its political basis are being questioned. If - since such a situation cannot be ruled out - an open debate will arise at the NATO summit, it will inflict an even greater blow on the authority of the North Atlantic Alliance.

According to the Polish observer, today it is NATO’s authority that largely determines its effectiveness.

Palowski claims that after an attempted coup d'etat in Turkey, Erdogan radically changed his policy towards NATO. At the same time, Poland was outraged by the fact that Turkey tested the Russian-made S-400 air defense systems on F-16 fighters:

Good relations with the US are no longer on the list of Turkish political priorities. Erdogan destroys NATO's cohesion, although Turkey previously defended the priorities of solidarity with alliance members. This is a new and dangerous situation for NATO. Not only that, he is establishing relations with a country that many members of the alliance see as an existential threat. Of course, we are talking about Russia. Erdogan tests the C-400 on F-16 fighters. This causes additional concern, because it may bring certain benefits to Moscow.

According to Palovski, cited in Defense24, the very fact of the interaction of the Turkish and Russian armies “could lead to the leak of important data for NATO.”
From the statement:

Therefore, recent signals about the possible suspension of the strengthening of NATO measures against the Baltic states and Poland by Turkey are not an isolated event, but a sign of Ankara’s broader process and policy, which increasingly casts doubt on the commitment to the Euro-Atlantic security system.
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  1. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 28 November 2019 13: 25
    +28
    Well yes. How so?! Have you forgotten to ask the Poles?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 28 November 2019 13: 32
      +13
      Where did so many x Perds get divorced from? belay apparently propagated by budding!
      But in fact, what does the Poles care about the Turkish trials? Turkey is a sovereign State that they want and experience, in its territory!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 28 November 2019 13: 55
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Where did so many x Perds get divorced from? belay apparently breed by budding!

        Clone like a lamb Doli.
      2. Fantazer911
        Fantazer911 28 November 2019 13: 56
        +1
        They, eksperdy reproduce by means of photocopy from the photocopy of NATO hi
      3. cost
        cost 28 November 2019 13: 59
        +5
        Andrey Chistyakov (Andrey Chistyakov) :Well yes. How so?! Poles forgot to "ask"

        Erdogan understands perfectly well that it is necessary to talk with the "dad", but he is not going to discuss this topic with sixes. and in general it is his cow and he milks it (s) yes
      4. 4ekist
        4ekist 28 November 2019 17: 15
        +2
        Polish experts, they are like every barrel of gag.
  2. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 25
    +6
    Polish observer Jakub Palovski writes that Turkey can veto the project of universal assistance to NATO to the Baltic countries and Poland. According to Palowski, the December meeting of representatives of the countries of the North Atlantic bloc will dot the “i” in the NATO partnership issue. In other words, Poland is going to closely monitor how Turkey will behave at this meeting (summit).

    But how many Poland takes over?

    in Poland were outraged by the fact that Turkey tested Russian-made S-400 air defense systems on F-16 fighters

    Turkey is kind of like a sovereign state, isn't it? But as Poland caves in under the new master, it already groans with pleasure.
    In one thing, he is right - after the attempted coup, obviously according to the Washington scenario, the Sultan had weighty fears for his life with such a "friend"
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 28 November 2019 13: 30
      +1
      His name is not Poland, but Jakub Palowski.
      1. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 32
        +3
        Yes, they can call him whatever they like - he does not voice his position, but the position of the entire political elite in general. Well, since "The State is Me!" (c) nobody canceled, then I boldly wrote "Poland".
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 28 November 2019 13: 41
          +2
          There are enough oddities for the letter M everywhere.
          Including ours.
          Such "eccentrics" often treat states in an extremely indirect way.
          And you can safely write anything.
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 46
            +2
            Turkish authorities "are holding Eastern Europeans hostage, blocking approval of this military planning until concessions are achieved," Reuters reported earlier, citing a senior source in the alliance.

            A little lower
            According to the source, Ankara has set a tough condition for NATO: to recognize the Kurdish People's Self-Defense Forces (YPG) operating in northern Syria as terrorists. Note that, until recently, YPG enjoyed support from the United States. Another source called the behavior of the Turkish side "destructive" for the alliance.

            https://news.rambler.ru/world/43246854-turtsiya-iz-za-rossii-nachala-novyy-konflikt-s-nato/?utm_source=head_old&utm_campaign=self_promo&utm_medium=mcol&utm_content=news
            And suddenly, suddenly, an expert from Poland appears. Yeah. Coincidence?
            As one literary hero said: "I only believe in chances if I organized them myself."
          2. Sergey39
            Sergey39 28 November 2019 14: 15
            +3
            And what will these "eccentrics" sing when the Turks conduct similar tests with the f-35?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 28 November 2019 16: 33
        +5
        Quote: Livonetc
        His name is not Poland, but Jakub Palowski.

        So there, Yakub sits on Yakub and drives Yakub. All of Poland is one solid Jacob ...
    2. venik
      venik 28 November 2019 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      But how many Poland takes over?

      =======
      Well, Poland - ALWAYS considered itself "Center Europe".... request
      What else to wait for?
      PS Please "do not throw slippers"Because" azm am "to" damn polak "!!! (" Psheproshu panove! ") request wink
      Sincerely!!! laughing (venik)! wassat
  3. cniza
    cniza 28 November 2019 13: 26
    +8
    According to the Polish observer, today it is NATO’s authority that largely determines its effectiveness.


    Oh, these Poles ... how could they not wait to lick the United States everywhere.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 November 2019 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Oh, these Poles ... how could they not wait to lick the United States everywhere.

      "haberdashery" they are ... you did not call them, but they still, right there!
      Well, what a zhezh, here after all the "cardinal" has Iteres!
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 November 2019 13: 41
        +4
        They really want to be beloved "wife" of the United States, they will give everything for it.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 November 2019 13: 47
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          They really want to be beloved "wife" of the United States, they will give everything for it.

          But sho, they have not passed everything yet ???
          It was probably difficult \ to be, there is such a competition \ turn!
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 November 2019 13: 52
            +3
            It remains to lose statehood ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 28 November 2019 14: 07
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              It remains to lose statehood ...

              In this they already have experience, not the first time!
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 November 2019 14: 39
                +3
                Yeah, dancing on a rake ...
        2. Honest Citizen
          Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 49
          +2
          The most interesting thing is that they are already "loved" by their rhetoric, and they specifically want to drag Europe into another war. Once every hundred years ... well, then you know.
          Now they just wait for the USA and Great Britain to leave NATO, and then the Poles will unleash another war.
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 November 2019 13: 51
            +3
            They can want anything, but they can unleash a war - for them this is another loss of statehood ...
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 53
              +2
              So it is their top and not needed. In 1939, their elite seemed to have managed to slip away to Britain. And these are the same ... There is experience.
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 November 2019 13: 56
                +3
                No, they want to become glavnyuk, well, at least in eastern Europe, but better in all.
                1. Honest Citizen
                  Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 58
                  +2
                  Well, they will be promised laughing
                  True to believe in such promises - this is to medicine, but it is secondary.
                  I think the minke whales will tell the Poles: "Conquer Russia and get the whole Europe" .... the Poles have a very bad historical memory - they can start another campaign to the East under the banner of NATO
  4. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 28 November 2019 13: 27
    +5
    ... "Poland was outraged by the fact that Turkey was testing Russian-made S-400 air defense systems on F-16 fighters:" ...
    Shakalya breed. Run ahead, licking the chef's tail, and look into the eyes, find out how you liked it?
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 28 November 2019 13: 38
      +1
      Well, what else should they do then? There is no such meaning and will not be imagined. So you have to jackalike
  5. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 28 November 2019 13: 28
    +1
    Something this Pavlovsky walks around the bush. It would not be frank to say that Erdogan is undermining NATO and it worries him, so he promises some sort of showdown for Turkey. negative
  6. MoJloT
    MoJloT 28 November 2019 13: 31
    +12
    Catholics are offended by Muslims that they do not want to protect them from the Orthodox. The world is crazy, finish ...
  7. YOUR
    YOUR 28 November 2019 13: 34
    0
    Well, excuse me, they don’t have a B-52.
  8. Masha
    Masha 28 November 2019 13: 34
    +4
    In Poland, they reacted to Turkish statements that Ankara would not send its troops to Poland and the Baltic states to “protect against the Russian threat”, as well as C-400 tests in Turkey.

    pichalka ... so the Poles the United States, Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Britain and others will help, especially others laughing why cry - then? recourse
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 28 November 2019 13: 38
    +2
    In Poland, they reacted to Turkish statements that Ankara would not send its troops to Poland and the Baltic states to “protect against the Russian threat”, as well as C-400 tests in Turkey.

    Here the Sultan will be surprised that he will also be indicated from the Psh - Olsha .... however, if he neglected the "indignation" of the President of the very, very power, then from the "haberdasher" then generally pfe - e - e.
  10. knn54
    knn54 28 November 2019 13: 40
    -1
    -that Ankara will not send its troops to Poland and the Baltic states to “protect against the Russian threat”,

    -Children, in the dictation, everyone except Vovochka made the same mistake in the sentence: I was lying on a pebble, the last word was capitalized. Vovochka, explain to classmates.
    -Mar Ivanovna, I don’t consider her a person ..
    I'm sorry for the vulgarity, but "these" just got it.
  11. HAM
    HAM 28 November 2019 13: 43
    +3
    "... Good relations with the US are no longer on the list of Turkish political priorities. ..."

    I wonder what kind of relationship the "partners" should have, when one of them (Erdogan) just wanted to bang on the "partnership" ..?
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 28 November 2019 13: 50
      0
      Probably nothing personal, just business? wassat
  12. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 November 2019 13: 47
    +2
    Without the Turks in the Black Sea, they can do nothing in the upcoming aggression against the Russian Federation. Turkey and Ukraine were to become the main force (victim) when striking the Russian Federation from the south. Poles and Baltic states from the north. And then such a bummer. Americans vryatli will be on the edge of the attack, the Poles will have to die alone for the interests of the world capital
  13. Alien From
    Alien From 28 November 2019 13: 48
    +1
    For the lords we do not have air defense systems, but the birch trees are in stock)))))))
  14. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 28 November 2019 13: 50
    +1
    Owner, am I right? AND?
  15. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 28 November 2019 13: 55
    0
    How these psheks already got everyone.
  16. alavrin
    alavrin 28 November 2019 14: 02
    0
    The US sheltered the enemy of Erdogan - Gulen, so the drift from NATO is largely due to personal motives. This is unlikely to be a long-term trend, especially after the change of power in Turkey.
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 28 November 2019 14: 06
    +2
    Erdogan was very offended by the United States for the coup d'etat. In general, the Poles believe in vain that they don’t believe in NATO. It’s one thing for the whole world to beat Hussein on the other side of the globe, somewhere near Africa and get a completely different alignment in one’s teeth at home, in Europe, from evil Russians. Yankees will immediately throw NATO. And without the USA, NATO is just a bunch of papers and non-binding agreements. Cardboard tiger, as the Chinese say
  18. Runoway
    Runoway 28 November 2019 14: 10
    +1
    But it’s not bad to stir up the NATO hut so much with the common interests of the Russian Federation, Turkey and Macron, too, is aiming for it, followed by Germany. It’s stupid to think that Europe is the enemy of Europe, we need a strong and rich Europe, who else do we need to trade gas for?)))) Germany is interested in the role of a gas distributor and Turkey has the same compromise with Erdogan on the influence of BV and that’s all, Trump is nothing along with sanctions.
    One problem, the state with God's chosen interests and a large number of solidarity in the Kremlin
  19. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 November 2019 14: 11
    +2
    According to the Polish observer, today it is NATO’s authority that largely determines its effectiveness.
    What is the effectiveness of NATO? In the fight against terrorism? It is more likely no than yes. Africa and the Middle East are on fire, but NATO does not see this. Confronting the Russian threat, so no one has this threat. So what is the effectiveness?
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 28 November 2019 14: 34
      +1
      So this is the efficiency, in these regions a mess and terrorists squander the riches of their countries for drama, and NATO countries profit
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 November 2019 16: 09
        +2
        Quote: Runoway
        So this is the efficiency, in these regions a mess and terrorists squander the riches of their countries for drama, and NATO countries profit

        Now it's called "Controlled Chaos Theory". In 1984, the Santa Fe Institute for Interdisciplinary Research was organized, which specializes in chaos theory.
  20. kpd
    kpd 28 November 2019 15: 28
    +1
    It’s interesting, and on which planes in the USA did the S-300 complex test? Really only in the Soviet?
  21. Altai72
    Altai72 28 November 2019 16: 05
    +1
    [/ Quote] In Poland, they were outraged by the fact that Turkey tested Russian-made S-400 air defense systems on F-16 fighters: [quote]

    This is after the Turks refused to send contingents to defend Poland and the Baltic states?)))
  22. Altai72
    Altai72 28 November 2019 16: 08
    +1
    Stoltenberg called the Turkish Foreign Minister yesterday. The conversation lasted 45 minutes. In the course of NATO, a panic began))
  23. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 28 November 2019 16: 59
    +1
    author ... what is NATO? What is a Pole about? maybe it offends him that Poland got in touch with suckers?
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 November 2019 17: 22
    +3
    Long ago, the Poles were not reminded in what place they belonged.
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 29 November 2019 16: 44
      +1
      Gold words!!!!!
  25. Starper-xnumx
    Starper-xnumx 28 November 2019 17: 35
    +3
    Well, already the Poles began to play along with the USA ... So soon all of Europe will conquer in chorus! When the S-400 on the Fu-35 test hehe
  26. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 28 November 2019 18: 27
    +2
    Turkey will join the customs union. Poland will also have to ask for our customs union. Let’s go?
  27. Chilean Abalon
    Chilean Abalon 28 November 2019 19: 56
    +1
    Interestingly, and the opinions of Albanian experts at the VO will be? wink
  28. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 28 November 2019 20: 09
    +2
    Polish observer Jakub Palovski writes that Turkey can veto the project of universal assistance to NATO to the Baltic countries and Poland.

    I wonder what Poland can do in this case? The times of the Commonwealth are long gone.
  29. GibSoN
    GibSoN 28 November 2019 20: 12
    -3
    How much can this be discussed .. The issue has already been practically resolved .. In the short term, NATO will simply exclude Turkey from the bloc. This is already obvious for a long time to everyone. The whole problem is that the bureaucracy has not yet been eradicated! And the United States does not yet know who to replace Turkey with in the form of real, acting manpower. But this is a temporary issue.
  30. Vladimir A
    Vladimir A 28 November 2019 22: 03
    +1
    that’s all .. now Turkey will tighten its tail and run to prostrate itself in front of the Polish salvages .. What’s the wrath of the USA - it’s nothing against the frowning eyebrows of the Polish gentry ..
  31. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 29 November 2019 04: 06
    0
    - "Palovsky declares that after the attempted coup in Turkey, Erdogan radically changed his policy towards NATO" - he knows whose filthy little hands it is and only the "aggressor" came to the rescue and saved him from death !!!
  32. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
    Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 29 November 2019 10: 30
    0
    Eh, I was wrong, nevertheless, I.V. Stalin in 45, transferring to Poland the German Danzig (now the so-called "Gdansk"), Gottenhafen (now the so-called "Gdynia"), Stettin (now the so-called "Szczecin"), Swinemunde (now the so-called "Gdynia") n. "svinousttse") with excellent ports and industrial facilities; 2/3 of East Prussia (Kaliningrad region is only a small part of the VP) and, most importantly, Upper Silesia with one of the most powerful industrial regions in Europe ("Upper Silesian industrial region"). As a result, East Germany (GDR), disciplined and loyal to the USSR (Russia), was left without its "industrial heart", while West Germany (FRG) had the Ruhr ...
    Thus, we have strengthened our enemies - the arrogant nobles and "brothers" of the Czechs (the transfer of the Sudetland of the so-called "Czechoslovakia" to the Versailles bastard). sad
  33. dmitrich
    dmitrich 29 November 2019 13: 47
    0
    still would be outraged in Ukraine!