Kiev announced its intention to pump transit gas into its storage facilities

Ukraine will steal Russian gas if it does not sign a new contract for its transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system to Europe. This was directly stated by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko, making an appropriate entry on Facebook.

According to Vitrenko, in the absence of a new transit agreement, Ukraine will pump Russian gas from the new year through the Ukrainian gas transportation system to Europe to its storage facilities. He emphasized that without an agreement, Russian gas would be considered to belong to an unidentified owner and until it was installed, gas would be stored in Ukrainian underground tanks.

At the same time, the head of Naftogaz Andrei Kobolev said that Russian gas, which goes to Europe in transit through Ukraine, in the absence of an agreement will be considered smuggling and, accordingly, seized before a full trial.

Recall that Gazprom suggested that Naftogaz extend the existing gas transit contract for one year or conclude a new one for the same term, subject to the “nullification” of mutual claims. Kiev categorically opposed it, saying it hoped to sue 22 billion from Gazprom. At the same time, Naftogaz insists on concluding a long-term contract on the terms of Ukraine, which, in turn, does not suit Gazprom, which so far needs a short-term contract.

The current gas transit contract expires on December 31 of 2019. So far, all past negotiations have ended to no avail.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Well, they can’t help but steal! What will you do with them? They are children in the full sense of the word.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they can’t help but steal! What will you do with them? They are children in the full sense of the word.

What are you saying? They are so integrate with Geyropa

[Vladimir16]

Turn off the gas and let it freeze.
Everyone, and Europeans and those who consider themselves Ukrainians.

In our country, millions are not able to heat their homes with gas.
Heat in a Russian house should be a priority.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They are children in the full sense of the word.

Children do not steal.

The actions of the Ukrainian authorities are not theft, but robbery. In a word, criminality.
Not only are they going to squeeze Russian gas from Russia and the EU, but they also force their own citizens to pay for the loot.

Mra.zi

[vadson]

Quote: Vladimir16

In our country, millions are not able to heat their homes with gas.
Heat in a Russian house should be a priority.

explain it to Gazprom

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: vadson

explain it to Gazprom

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk. Where is the cheapest gas in the world? That's right, in the USA. Take an interest in the level of gasification there!

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk.

Count the payback of your life.

Turn on your brains. Stop measuring all the loot.

You can excite me, but in the remote Ural, Siberian, Volga villages and in many millions of houses this will not be warmer.

I don't give a damn about US gasification. Continue to salivate to flow through this country.
I live in Russia. And here we need to create decent living conditions for our relatives.
Let everything freeze in Europe and in the rest of the world. You need to think about your people, about your loved ones.

And you continue to pray for candy wrappers.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vladimir16

You can excite me, but in the remote Ural, Siberian, Volga villages and in many millions of houses this will not be warmer.

Well, start gasifying these villages. At your own expense. Or do you offer an "abstract state" to pay? So from our taxes with you. The road to the village will not cost much more ... Liquefied gas should be brought along it. This is what they are actively doing now wherever possible.
Where there is no gas, there is coal or fuel oil. In Europe, pellets are used. Consider it more appropriate. And screaming - they sold all the gas of future generations, and the grandmother in the village freezes for three yards ... Yes. It’s only cheaper to bring this grandmother to a three-room apartment in the city and pay a life annuity than to extend a medium-pressure gas pipeline there ...

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, get into the gasification of these villages. At my own expense.

Yeah..

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And screaming - they sold all the gas of future generations, and grandmother ...

Rave? ..

What is the "gas of future generations"? What's in your head ?????

[Shurik70]

But what would they say at the state level: "We will steal" ...
Only Ukraine is capable of this.
I don’t understand, they seem to be against Nord Stream. And suddenly he is satisfied with such an advertisement - "If there is no Nord Stream, Europe will not get enough gas."

[DRM]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Or do you offer an "abstract state" to pay?

The state is not even abstract. Russia is called. And the question is that the state (more precisely, those who hold power) do not give a damn about the life of their citizens.

[Tatyana]

Ukraine will steal Russian gas if a new contract is not signed for its transit through the Ukrainian GTS to Europe. This was directly stated by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko,

And someone naively denies that Ukraine, with its Ukrainian GTS, has intervened, is interfering and will intervene in the election of US presidents and in the politics of Brussels itself!
At the same time, Ukraine, under the leadership of Zelensky, has both blackmailed and will continue to blackmail both Russia and the West, like a marginal stray bandit-robber from the high road according to the principle "We would have to stand for a day and hold out for a night!"

Zelensky’s team is notorious regular TEMPORARIES (not statesmen) from the next FUNERAL team of Ukraine!

[Stas157]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

offer "abstract state" will pay?

It is a very real state, if any. Otherwise, what is the meaning of that state.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The road to the village will not cost much more ...

Agree that gasification prices are very expensive, prohibitive. Therefore, we need a reasonable state policy that will resolve this contradiction. Here you can’t do without subsidies. Not entirely free, but subsidized prices. That would be the middle ground. People should at least take advantage of their wealth. Otherwise, generally robbery.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: vadson

spend gas in the house where a pipe goes in a couple of hundred thousand rubles

If you know firsthand - and tell us,

Quote: vadson

FOR WHAT

Without an agreement to carry out work, such things are not done, in the agreement the price tag should be written ... wait, with

[sagitch]

R. Komi gas supplier to Europe. Built a house, around gasified houses. A gas pipe for supplying gas to these houses runs from 3 sides. 23, 25 and 33 meters from the borders of my plot of 7 acres. They asked for 3 million from me. 56 thousand rubles. How is that? For people?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: sagitch

They asked for 3 million from me. 56 thousand rubles

Amount in words? Or at least somehow decrypted?

Au-u-uuu ... one comment has already been deleted in response to the same question ... We are waiting, sir

[vadimtt]

What do you want to wait for? I did not sign one contract in the village for 600 tyr, and the second at the dacha, for 1100 tyr. And this is so in the year 2012. Now, prices have clearly not decreased.
And I solved the problem simply - for 50 sput I bought a diesel boiler and a couple of containers. And now diesel fuel for the amount of the "gas contract" will be enough for me until the end of my days, and there will still be left for the children. And no smut with the gas inspection, which sometimes wants money once a year.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: vadimtt

What do you want to wait for?

I repeat:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Without an agreement to carry out work, such things are not done, in the contract the price tag should be painted...

I actually have a very simple question - how is a gas company justifies the amount presented?

[Svarog51]

Jack But they do not justify it. Here is a simple example. GSK (Garage-building society) from 1969. The allowed power of the electric network is 2 kW for 18 garages. They asked how to make it enough for the new standards. The project at GSK - 400 tons of rubles. Work on the replacement of wiring and other - 125 tons of rubles. The question is - is a piece of paper with numbers and signatures (which is the PROJECT) not very expensive? It’s useless to start modernization without it. But 18 people half a million can not cope. So with gas in the villages in the outback. Papers are written without leaving the area and studying the financial situation. Why should clerks in offices bother, dress in pea jackets and sort things out. In their opinion, it is not profitable, and then they are not interested. The incredible can happen - such a clerk will appear in the village. But it all depends on the instructions of his boss. And who against trample?
P.S. Roman, do not take it personally, I wrote this for discussion, and not personally to you

[Golovan Jack]

Sergey, welcome

I was interested in exactly the "runaway" of the cost of the project - to bring a pipe - so much, a lowering station (what if you need it?) - so much, a house project - so much, doing housework - so much ... , etc.

Gas - it is not electricity, when it threw the cable, it hung up the meter, and then turn around, master, as you know. There, gas workers are responsible for every pipe, their responsibility, their installation ... it all costs money too.

Only, to a campaign, nobody is able to provide such an observation. Pichalka

[not main]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Gas - it is not electricity, when it threw the cable, it hung up the meter, and then turn around, master, as you know. There, gas workers are responsible for every pipe, their responsibility, their installation ... it all costs money too.

Isn't it the same with electricity? The only difference is that the intra-apartment gas networks are under the "control" of gas workers, and the electric ones are on the conscience of the owner! By the way, for a long time he lived in a house with gas equipment, including gas water heaters. Believe it or not, I have never seen a gasman checking equipment! And this despite the fact that the checks must be done ANNUALLY! I lived there for 7 years.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: non-primary

The only difference is that the intra-apartment gas networks are under the "control" of gas workers, and the electric ones are on the conscience of the owner

Not on the conscience, but on the responsibility.

If you burned out due to crooked electricity diluted by you - this is your seal.

If you burned out because of gas crookedly diluted by gas workers (attention! Not by you!), This is their sadness, oddly enough. They will not judge you, but them.

There you have the difference. Everything is simple

[not main]

Quote: Golovan Jack

If you burned out due to crooked electricity diluted by you - this is your seal.

If you burned out because of gas crookedly diluted by gas workers (attention! Not by you!), This is their sadness, oddly enough. They will not judge you, but them.

Is it easier for me? I already burned!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: non-primary

Is it easier for me? I already burned!

Well, your jamb - you burned down. But if you had gas, they will be presented first of all to gas workers ... unless, of course, they cannot find your joint

But seriously, if - under the "gas supply to the house" is meant not only the "supply" itself, but also the complete gasification of this house: the distribution of pipes with cocks, the installation and connection of equipment, and so on and so forth ... IMHO, of course.

[not main]

I understood that a long time ago! I lead to the fact that, as I wrote above, gas workers must check equipment annually! By the way, the money for this is taken from us in the form of the cost of gas, but in fact these works are not carried out! And after an emergency ...?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: non-primary

gas workers must check equipment annually! By the way, the money for this is taken from us in the form of the cost of gas, but in fact these works are not carried out

Well, you can probably thread a complaint somewhere ... I don’t know.

Personally, I don’t have gas, and he didn’t lean against my horn - I do not like this, ahem, substance.

[not main]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Personally, I don’t have gas, and he didn’t lean against my horn - I do not like this, ahem, substance.

I also do not like! Therefore, he dismantled the gas equipment and put an electric stove. (There was equipment powered by external cylinders with a propane-butane mixture).

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Gas - it is not electricity, when it threw the cable, it hung up the meter, and then turn around, master, as you know.

hmmm ... and what prevents the power plant from being supplied and from it "threw the cable, hung up the meter, and then - spin" in Canada they do and don’t complain.

[Golovan Jack]

Man there speech for gas was originally. And what is there in Canada - I'm not interested

[Sanichsan]

good day to you
I saw that about gas, but why to realize heating of remote settlements with the help of gas? So will we sweep the parade ground with a crowbar?

Quote: Golovan Jack

And what is there in Canada - I'm not interested

and very vain. in Canada there are many remote settlements, some of which can only be reached by plane, and there are no problems with light and heating. use electricity. what prevents us from using Canada’s proven positive experience? gas?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: SanichSan

I saw that about gas, butwhy to realize heating of remote settlements with the help of gas?

Ooh, yoyo ... explain it to "barmaleyka"I don’t need to

Quote: SanichSan

what prevents us from using Canada’s proven positive experience? gas?

Not... dominance of "barmaley" and "lannon-shey". IMHO, essno

[kjhg]

Quote: sagitch

They asked for 3 million from me. 56 thousand rubles

You just don't want to get into Miller's position. And the situation, meanwhile, is quite understandable. Who do you order Miller from? daily 2,2 million rubles for your salary? And many tens of billions of dollars spent on the Power of Siberia, Turkish Stream, and Nord Stream gas pipelines, how would you like to return it? Plus also the construction of a skyscraper in St. Petersburg, Sponsoring of European football clubs, "domestic" Zenith, hundreds of millions for corporate events, etc. Where to get the money for all this, Zin?

Quote: sagitch

How is that? For people?

You fell off the moon You have been living under capitalism for 30 years now and maybe even vote for Putin and edro. So what do you expect ??? Receive and sign. Or are you like that Russian citizen from an anecdote who cannot understand in any way: "I vote for Putin and United Russia all the time, so why are prices going up again?"

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

At your own expense. Or do you offer an "abstract state" to pay?

Does the state have money to electrify Turkey and Egypt? There generally is a payback period of 25 years. And then ... According to rampant optimistic scenarios. And do not about the Ural villages. From me to the Moscow Ring Road less than 50 km. There is no gas, and is not expected.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Lannan Shi

From me to the Moscow Ring Road less than 50 km. There is no gas, and is not expected

Are you freezing? Are you warming up by jogging? Or vodka?

[Vadim237]

If for 70 years the USSR did not bother to gasify your villages and other villages throughout Russia, then it was economically unreasonable to do so in a planned economy - what can we say about the present time.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Vadim237

that means it was not economically feasible to do then in a planned economy - what to speak of the present time.

Gas consumption, annual, for heating 1 sq.m. - about 30 cubic meters. Only for heating my house will go under 6.500 cubic meters. With water and cooking at 10. Only the difference for the village and the city is 13000 re annually. We have 15 permanent residents. This is 200k per year. The distance to the main 1300-1400 meters. Or 3,9-4,2 million at Mosoblgaz prices. Payback - 20 years. If you do not remember about 40 houses of summer residents. With them 15, and even 10 years. At the nuclear power plant for the Turks and Egyptians - 25. Minimum.
I basically do not care. The combination of underfloor heating and water on electricity + firewood is not much more expensive than a purely gas version. But the fact that the Turks, the killers of our soldiers and diplomats, are first-class people for Russia, and their third-class citizens are a fact.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Turks ... for Russia people are of the first grade, and their third-class citizens are a fact

Not this way.

The gas pipeline is not pulled to each individual Turk, but simply to Turkey. Why and why it is just like that is a separate big topic.

But each individual Turk will be brought to it by the local gas distribution company ... if any. Everything, as we have, is shorter. Symmetrically.

Logic, colleague, logic ... turn on already

[Vanek]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Symmetrically

There is no symmetrical !!!!

They are pulling a pipe to Turkey, but not to our regions.

Have you seen the Siberian Federal District on the map? The fact that he looks like a different topic. How many Turkey will fit in the Siberian Federal District?

Аasymmetrically. It will be more accurate.

Jack

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vanek

Jack

.Ай.

Quote: Vanek

They pull a pipe to Turkey, but not to our regions

Do not confuse personal wool with state policy (s).

Quote: Vanek

How many Turkey will fit in the Siberian Federal District?

In space, they will even more accommodate. But for some reason they don’t pull the pipe there, that's why, I wonder?

[Vanek]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Do not confuse personal wool with state policy (s).

All right.

Earnestly.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In Europe, pellets are used. Consider it more appropriate.

Do you know the price for them?

[RUSS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project),

In central Russia, thousands of villages are not gasified

[SSR]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project),

In central Russia, thousands of villages are not gasified

It seems that all our villages have become extinct and is there any sense in pulling into a "dead" village?
Well there will be gas in the village and work? Our gas pipe stopped at 10 km (((they say something will be typed in there and they will begin to extend it.
PS.
There was a time when they wanted to pull a thread to Bulgaria. The Liberasts have disbanded that billions in this direction have been wasted, to which they were answered from the government. - When they pulled the gas pipeline, created the infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of people fell under gasification and that this money despite the refusal of the Bulgarians wasted not in vain.
PPP.
IMHA. Well, it’s simply unrealistic to solve all the problems at once! We began to put in order the embankment so immediately compassionate whips were found who tried to collect signatures so that this money allocated from the regional budget would be spent on apartments for those in need.
Well, would you buy 20 apartments, what would be the solution to the country? Everything must be solved sequentially and not enough to sculpt patches on all holes, and there will not be enough hands and patches, and you won’t sew a new one.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote from S.S.R.

It seems that all our villages have become extinct and is there any sense in pulling into a "dead" village?

This is where you read this nonsense?

[Serg koma]

Quote from S.S.R.

There was a time when they wanted to pull a thread to Bulgaria. The Liberasts have disbanded that billions in this direction have been wasted, to which they were answered from the government. - When they pulled the gas pipeline, created the infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of people fell under gasification and that this money despite the refusal of the Bulgarians wasted not in vain.

First, find on the map "hundreds of thousands" of non-gasified population (up to 2014), or the region through which the main (other than South Stream) gas pipeline would pass.

"Cherry on the cake"
18 September 2019
Bulgarian court withdrew claims against Turkish Stream, a project with Russian participation
Bulgaria begins construction of a gas pipeline Balkan Stream with Russian participation. This was announced on Wednesday by the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov following negotiations with the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov. “After the failure of South Stream, the Balkans are now given a new chance to implement the project to build a global gas pipeline”, 
“90% of pipes for the Balkan Stream have already been delivered to Bulgaria from Russia, and tomorrow we will start delivering them along the highway.” "Funding has been secured, 308 km of the gas pipeline will be built by the end of January 2020," the Bulgarian Prime Minister TASS quoted.

[Nastia makarova]

why gas in the village ???

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

why gas in the village ???

is it in the sense of sarcasm or ...?!

[Nastia makarova]

no, why? for a couple of living houses to pull pipes tens of kilometers?

[Barmaleyka]

I would love to populate you in one of these houses that they didn’t write nonsense
I can name the wrong villages for hundreds of houses, cities where there are apartment buildings with stove heating

[Nastia makarova]

pull yourself !!! tired of smart people, they want everything for free !!!!

[Barmaleyka]

and eat for free is not tired? !!!
Are you aware that real CX products are underestimated, by the way, did they extend gas to their home at their own expense?
and water, and the canal?

[Nastia makarova]

underestimated? Do you need to raise food prices?

[Barmaleyka]

imagine yes

[Nastia makarova]

why would you need to do this? pull gas for tens of kilometers. raise food prices !! yes you are an enemy of the people !!!!!

[Barmaleyka]

But why would you buy it at a lower price then what we produce? !!!!
or those who live on the earth are second-class people, you can use gas, central heating, electricity in full, and we will interrupt ?!
YOU paid for the supply of communications to YOUR home - NO, but at the same time you sniff out on the forum here as the main payer.
when you pay 200 rubles for milk then you’ll be clever

[Nastia makarova]

nobody will buy your milk for 200, pour it into a ditch !!

[Barmaleyka]

that's because you don’t want to pay real money for food, sit and don’t show off
you didn’t pay a dime for connecting communications to your apartment, that is, using the benefits of civilization you yourself refuse this right to others, considering them second-class people.
you, Mrs. Makarova, at your age 36, didn’t lift anything heavier than you and sitting in MAskva have the audacity to talk about who has the right to what ?! !!

[Nastia makarova]

Payment of connecting the house to the networks is inherent in the cost per sq meter

[Barmaleyka]

far from everything is laid down that the bva knew

[Nastia makarova]

private trader during construction lays everything. down to the screw

[Barmaleyka]

Once again, for those who like to lie, they put in the price a connection to ready-made networks, rather than laying new highways, so we must pay for this if we extend a branch to the village

[Nastia makarova]

it is not profitable for the regional administration to pay and pull gas to your village

[Barmaleyka]

and the state is beneficial to develop land? !!!
or all to the city, and thebes will feed the country from an office like you

[Nastia makarova]

Of course it’s profitable, but depending on what and where to grow, if the corn is in the north, then losses and if in KK it is very profitable

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

it is not profitable for the regional administration to pay and pull gas to your village

more profitable for administrations
The mayor of Kemerovo explained the purchase of a New Year tree for 18 million rubles

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/28/11/2019/5ddf7daf9a7947a5966dcfe7?from=from_main

[Nastia makarova]

36? I am 27 years old

[Vadim237]

Already I pay 200 per liter - awesome milk, as in the village.

[Ugochaves]

Payment of connecting the house to the networks is inherent in the cost of a square meter, do not fantasize

[Barmaleyka]

exactly from the lines laid to that, but the communications themselves are sorry but the cost of the house does not sit as well as pressure relief stations, sewage treatment plants, etc. they sit in the cost of the service, by the way YOU bought an apartment or have been using it since Soviet times

[Vadim237]

It will be cheaper to install solar panels on the roof section, etc., with a house heater and a piping system with antifreeze throughout the house, and with it, drill a well and sewer system - it will cost much less than pull tens of kilometers of pipe to install distribution substations and arrange it all on pieces of paper. Such autonomous home supply systems: heat, water and light are now full.

[Barmaleyka]

you mixed everything in a heap, power supply systems, gas, water
autonomous power supply system has a payback of about 15-20 years
wells are drilled without your help

[Vadim237]

I didn’t mix it up - just such systems are needed throughout Russia in the villages of villages and so on - you will pay only once and once a year for those services and you will not have to spend a lot of money so that each of the villages and villages scattered from each other dozens and hundreds of kilometers to spend gas water and everything else - autonomous supply systems is a less cheap option for landscaping remote settlements of Russia.

[Barmaleyka]

once again, water and gas are from different areas, and not only remote villages are connected about remoteness

[Barmaleyka]

minuscoters go to the ground forward, exactly one day later, they will yell that normal people will not do this work for this money

[Svarog51]

Nastya Have you ever rinsed underwear in an ice hole in your life?

[Nastia makarova]

No, but why your post? what is hard life in the villages? or in remote towns? everyone knows that. but where does the gasification?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

No, but why your post? what is hard life in the villages? or in remote towns? everyone knows that. but where does the gasification?

This means that you did not pay a dime for the supply of communications at your home, but you think that the rest should

[Nastia makarova]

sit means no gas, already got everyone

[Mouse]

Quote: Barmaleyka

I would love to populate you in one of these houses that they didn’t write nonsense

I have a pleasure in having a house in Siberia .... I perfectly heat coal, and the boiler is present to maintain the temperature .... where do you want to put me? themselves, where do you live, what are you worrying about for sinners?

[kudma]

What a deaf village, every day I drive past a village in which there is no gas, although all the villages have been around for a long time, and the hospital is located in the village, which is also fueled with coal and is 10 km from Nizhny Novgorod.

[Vadim02rus]

In Astana / Nur-Sultan, houses are also heated with coal.

[kudma]

I do not care what happens in Astana.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

to a remote Ural or Siberian village

In a remote Siberian or Ural village there are 20 yards (probably on average) - why is there a gas pipeline? Put a gas holder and deliver it by truck once a month, along the way refueling with gas another two or three villages. Settle prices for diesel fuel along the way - today, the price of diesel fuel (PRIMARY PRODUCT in relation to gasoline) is more expensive than the G-95 and slightly, not at all significant at current prices, is inferior to the AI-100 at the GAZPROMNEFT gas station

Prices: AI-92 - 41.15 p.; AI-95 - 43.75 p.; Premium 95 - 44.649 p.; AI-100 - 50.4 p; Diesel - 48.05 p.; Gas - 20.45 rubles.

Therefore - it is not expensive diesel fuel, it is bad gasoline (and therefore cheap)

[Svarog51]

Nope, this is not bad gasoline, this "diesel" is fastidious. Well, like Vladimir Vysotsky.

[Stas157]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk.

Pension was also unprofitable to pay.

[begemot20091]

oh well whistle. Miller's annual salary is enough to gasify an entire region. look at the salaries of employees of these organizations in the regions. why retirees of Gazprom receive an additional payment to their pension, but "I don't" is a national property. I built these pipelines as a student, and the money is paid to my uncle. why does it cost 200.000 rubles to connect a house to a pipe? chirp pliz. They spawned economists, but it was necessary to replace them with Uncle Vasyu, an accountant from a flyworm - it would have worked much more efficiently. I'll give you an easier example for comparison - people understand everything better on their own skin: the cost of a mortgage in the Savings Bank of Russia -10%, in the Czech Republic in the same bank - 2,5%. Mortgages in Poland 3%, in Germany 2 and below. The price of apples in Grzechotka (town-crossing on the Polish-Russian border) -2-2,5 zloty (zloty rate 16-17 per rubles) Crossing the border - 2 km - 75-100 rubles, strawberries in season - 5 zloty 85 rubles, after 2 km - 300 rubles, meat on the bone 5-7 zlotys (entrecote), after 2 km - 200-240 rubles. Gasoline in Europe is "ours" - we fly from Gdansk to Paris and back - 3200 km (round trip) - by low-cost airline - 3000 rubles for our money (for both ends), from Kaliningrad to St. Petersburg - 950 km - from 3000 rubles (if you're lucky catch such a ticket. for today - 5000) one way. Residents of regions bordering with Kazakhstan go to Kazakhstan to refuel with our gasoline. Price per liter - 26-27 rubles. So this gasoline from us came to Kazakhstan from Orenburg. Go to "Ali Express" and see the prices of polypropylene products (toys, dishes) ... Polypropylene for casting is bought in Tomsk, in Kemerovo. China is the second largest tax burden on business in the world. So draw conclusions, economists. I am not an economist. I taught arithmetic from 1 to 4 grades at school.

[Disant]

begemot20091, of course you are right in your own way, but you are completely wrong on the other hand.
what are you pumping up how much in vain.

why does Gazprom's pensioners receive an additional payment to their pension, but "I don't" is a national property

- because it is 50 percent of the national property, because it is a joint-stock company, and not a common pocket. because you understand the phrase "national heritage" in your own way.

I built these gas pipelines as a student, and my uncle pays money

. You were given a voucher, you received, signed. it was your pipe section. your share.

the cost of mortgages in Sberbank of Russia is 10%, in the Czech Republic in the same bank - 2,5%. Mortgages in Poland 3%, in Germany 2 and below

because money abroad is given to you in foreign currency, and in Russia - in rubles. these conditional 10 percent are made up of the walrus of the bank - 0.5-3 percent, + inflation + the percentage at which the bank received money from the Central Bank. The main difference in the percentage between Russia and abroad is in the cost of inflation and the availability of available funds for less borrowing from the Central Bank.
I see it like that.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Disant

- because it’s a 50 percent public asset

You are a little wrong. The public domain was 100% - Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 9

1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.

Unfortunately, citizens of the Russian Federation lose their rights to interest. Capitalism revised the Constitution and adding paragraph

2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership

Now even 50% will not see "how their ears" ...

[iConst]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk. Where is the cheapest gas in the world? That's right, in the USA. Take an interest in the level of gasification there!

You are absolutely right only if you consider the situation from the point of view of an absolutely liberal economy. (Only this myth is a fairy tale for the skakuas).

But if we consider from the point of view of a real statesman the scale of the beginning of the USSR, then, if there is no goal to develop the region, but to ruin it - then yes. We use the huckster approach.
If you need to develop a region, then first you need to organize a minor infrastructure, which includes gasification.
The times of BAM and Tselina have sunk into the past. There are few people working for the idea of ​​sacrificing momentary comfort in the name of the future.

And yes, I’m not interested in what is in America. I live in Russia.
And they still fry there on an electric chair. It is hard to imagine a more savage execution - but again, money.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project)

Well, yes, then, then, Miller and Co. will not receive their lards, because the Union could gasify the whole USSR by pulling the gas pipeline to Europe, but the miller didn’t even have a thought to make a branch from the joint venture to the Kaliningrad region

[PalBor]

In the USA - 56%, in Russia - 67,2%. And if you are meticulous, then Gazprom is not engaged in gasification of households. This is the responsibility of the regional authorities, in particular, all kinds of "... regiongas". They set prices such that you think a hundred times: "Is it worth it?"

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: PalBor

56% in the USA, 67,2% in Russia

Do not specify average annual temperatures in the USA and the Russian Federation?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: PalBor

56% in the USA, 67,2% in Russia

Do not specify average annual temperatures in the USA and the Russian Federation?

Do not specify - what did you get up to gas? Is there nothing else to bask in - not fate, or purely troll?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Is there nothing else to bask in - not fate, or purely troll?

chopped wood for a long time?
By the way, do you know the burning time of the boiler on wood ?!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

... wood ... wood ...

Clear. In short, you do not warm up, and talk, hike.

And the options to "warm up" are actually much more than "gas and firewood"

[Barmaleyka]

enlighten the stupid, but I just threw firewood into the boiler furnace but it turns out in vain

[Mouse]

Quote: Barmaleyka

enlighten the stupid, but I just threw firewood into the boiler furnace but it turns out in vain

dung !!!!

[Barmaleyka]

Well this is where to dial so much ...

[Mouse]

Problems? who seeks will always find...

[Barmaleyka]

well, if without humor, then with a dung it was possible to heat an earthen chalabud, but the house is hardly

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And the options to "warm up" are actually much more than "gas and firewood"

By the way, what are you heating yourself?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

By the way, what are you heating yourself?

Looking where

But it seemed to me that the first question I asked was:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Do not specify - what did you get up to gas?

I mean, even gas - it’s not only in the pipe

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Looking where

do not fool

Quote: Golovan Jack

But it seemed to me that the first question I asked was:

did you ask a question ?! strange, but I did not see it was a statement

Quote: Golovan Jack

I mean, even gas - it’s not only in the pipe

well, yes, in one more place, and if without laughter, then again do not turn on the fool, only the toilet can be heated with bottled gas and it will be very expensive

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

do not fool

I have no habit. Unlike, ahem, the current opponent - he, the campaign, does not need to turn him on

Quote: Barmaleyka

did you ask a question ?! strange but i didn't see him

You are not the first Internet troll I meet. Not surprised

I cited the question above, again:

Quote: Golovan Jack

Do not specify - what did you get up to gas?

Is the question clear? Yes - no - I don’t know. If understandable - the answer to the studio ... buddy.

[Barmaleyka]

Well, rudeness is an argument against him is difficult to argue

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Golovan Jack
Do not specify - what did you get up to gas?

Is the question clear? Yes - no - I don’t know. If understandable - the answer to the studio ... buddy.

and at the same time you call me a fool? !!!
Sorry, but firstly, an article about gas; secondly, this is the most COMFORTABLE fuel for the home

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

rudeness is an argument against him is difficult to argue

I agree. You about it, probably?

Quote: Barmaleyka

do not fool

Well, yes ... self-criticism is a sign of growth ...

Quote: Barmaleyka

you call me a fool ?!

This is not "I call". It is you who diligently present yourself as such.

He said it once - unfasten. I am unkind

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

. That you diligently expose yourself as such.

nothing to argue on the topic ?!
for people like you, the main thing to do, threw a cue of options more, but as you asked me to give examples, quickly into the bushes and translate the topic, spelling and the like

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

nothing to argue on the topic ?!

No. For lack of topics. He said already - go away.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

He said already - go away.

you will stick to another in another
it’s you who are stuck with a huge alternative to gas, don’t know the topic, sit and don’t blather

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

you are stuck with a huge alternative to gas

There are plenty of alternatives. And your claims for a "free pipe" for you, beloved, and "more expensive grub" (you sell it, hike ... and then you need rags - cheaper, right?) Are ridiculous ... and not only.

And only to whom and when should I poke - I will decide how to thread myself ... without an ensemble. Hop?

[Barmaleyka]

a direct question, how much YOU personally paid for the supply of communications to your "birdhouse"
why do you think it is possible that for clothes I have to pay a REAL price, and you for food underestimated
WHERE AND WHEN and said that for the rags I should pay "cheaper"? !!!
and I don’t just trade food, I PRODUCE it
Well, about the alternatives, it’s ridiculous again; they are full BUT I WILL NOT CALL THEM
Are you my native? Do you know what an independent heating system means ?!
I repeat, do not know the topic, sit and do not get into an argument

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

how much YOU personally paid for the supply of communications to your "birdhouse"

Not a penny. Flat, no gas. And it’s good that no.

Quote: Barmaleyka

why do you think it is possible that for clothes I have to pay a REAL price, and you for food underestimated

Why do you think that it is you, beloved, all of yourself that is so underestimated?

Quote: Barmaleyka

I PRODUCE IT

Her bees produce. And you exploit them

Quote: Barmaleyka

you are my dear

Well, you’re never my native to me ... God forbid, what’s called

Quote: Barmaleyka

do you know what an autonomous heating system means? !!

Of course. I saw a lot, and different. But you do not need it, you would have gas in the pipe, and for free ... and grub more expensive ... I already understood.

He said already - go away. Tired of it. Buddy

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Why do you think that it is you, beloved, all of yourself that is so underestimated?

sorry you do not know how to read or play the fool ?! I even wrote a word about myself? !!

Quote: Golovan Jack

Her bees produce. And you exploit them

well, so take your ass and exploit, and after that you will work out, and when after working on the pasika the pulse will be under 120 beats, you can tell who is exploiting someone

Quote: Golovan Jack

But you do not need it, you would have gas in the pipe, and for free ... and grub more expensive ... I already understood.

and where did I say for free? !!!
and heating can be only a few types on TT on VT on GT and electric and gas from all this is the MOST convenient

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

... heating can be just a few types on TT on VT on GT and electric ...

For example: a friend has a "garage service" with a total area of ​​100+ squares. Brick garage, only very large. It is heated by drip stoves, which are being worked off. In winter - just Tashkent ... and no gas for you, buddy

And this is not the most exotic of what I saw really working.

Who needs to work is looking for ways. Who does not need - is looking for reasons. Who said?

About TO-TO (s).

[Barmaleyka]

once again you showed your incompetence in the pace at which you argue
are you in the village where you get so much VT ?!
Well, you do not know the topic, do not get into an argument
but I advise you to put this at home, as a monument to your intellect

the truth is beautiful, and most importantly safe

[Fikys]

Are you here so intensely lazy advocate? I live in the village, I know the topic from and to, five years on a full autonomy, and that's it - with my own hands. So, the most comfortable heating is electricity. Underfloor heating throughout the house - and voila! And the cheapest, and, in my opinion, pleasant is firewood. Only not a boiler, but a furnace. A good, large stove, at least 2000 bricks. In extreme cases - an air-heating boiler (a long-burning furnace), but this is already a bit wrong. I connected the mains electricity only a year and a half ago, when I bought an electric car instead of a gasoline, it cost about 100kr, but the electric car almost paid for it.
PS I work as a technologist in food production, so you can not tell me about the price of milk.
PPS I chopped wood only yesterday, and before that I went into the woods with my sons, brought a couple of trees, even to me - for pleasure, and even more so for the children.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Fikys

So, the most convenient heating is electricity.

Freestuff? !!!!
tell us how many kilowatts per month you spend on heating

Quote: Fikys

PS I work as a technologist in food production, so you can not tell me about the price of milk.

technologist and tell me why you buy milk from the population?

Quote: Fikys

PPS I chopped wood only yesterday, and before that I went into the woods with my sons, brought a couple of trees, even to me - for pleasure, and even more so for the children.

tales will tell elsewhere about pleasure and two trees
Since I myself am harvesting firewood, I don’t have to fuck

[Fikys]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Freestuff? !!!!

You don’t confuse me with you, I don’t need freebies, I always earn money for the needs of my family.

Quote: Barmaleyka

tell us how many kilowatts per month you spend on heating

First, where did I say that electricity is cheap? I said that it’s convenient, and even highlighted this word in bold for people like you, but it didn’t even help;)
Secondly, in me stove, electricity is not heated, I do not go to the woods for firewood laziness. I know a person who heats a house of 65 m² with warm floors, from his words it costs 3-5kr per month. (3r per kWh tariff with us).

Quote: Barmaleyka

tell me why you buy milk from the population?

For nothing. At the entrance control you will go broke, not to mention the hemorrhoids of this lesson as a whole. Own farms are cheaper and more reliable. And we have 80r / l of milk from private owners, chicken eggs - 120-150r / dess, broiler 400-450r / kg, fresh (pigs) 350r / kg, indoubts 550-600r / kg, goose 600-700r / kg.

Quote: Barmaleyka

no need to fuck

Tell it to yourself. If something is not clear, you need to ask, but you don’t need to be rude on the Internet a lot of courage, you don’t say that personally, you don’t say anything on the scoreboard;) I go to the forest once every two weeks, I only take dead wood, I don’t touch living trees.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Fikys

First, where did I say that electricity is cheap? I said it’s convenient,

the easiest way to turn on the fool

Quote: Fikys

fresh (pigs) 350 rub / kg,

and we have 150

Quote: Fikys

Tell it to yourself. If something is not clear, you need to ask, but you don’t need to be rude on the Internet a lot of courage, you don’t say that personally, you don’t say anything on the scoreboard;) I go to the forest once every two weeks, I only take dead wood, I don’t touch living trees.

just fairy tales about pleasure no need to talk
By the way, it’s strange you work if you can spend 3-4 hours a day felling

Quote: Fikys

I know a person who heats a house of 65 m² with warm floors, from his words it costs 3-5kr per month. (3r per kWh tariff with us).

to put it mildly, crap, for heating 10 sq m it takes about 1-1.5 kW. here and read

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

the easiest way to turn on the fool

I already warned you against using this speech turn, buddy.

Quote: Barmaleyka

fairy tales about pleasure do not speak

What is great for a Russian - "barmaleyka" death

Quote: Barmaleyka

strange you work if during the day you can

You, hike, with the logic, strain:

Quote: Fikys

I go to the forest once every two weeks

Barmaleyka, I suggest - in two weeks - four days off

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Barmaleyka, I suggest - in two weeks - four days off

are you right on tuesday ?!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: Golovan Jack

Barmaleyka, I suggest - in two weeks - four days off

are you right on tuesday ?!

You have a fever, hike. Where did you come across Tuesday, I wonder? Which one went to the forest for firewood?

Quote: Fikys

Firewood chopped just yesterday, before with sons went to the foresta couple of trees brought

Calm down, buddy. And more thorough

[Barmaleyka]

firewood is chopped, and if it’s chopped, then it’s just a tree, so for more careful, contact your beloved

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

chop wood and if chopped then just a tree

This is not for me, this is for comrade Fikys (Yuri Dmitrievich).

Take care of nerves, they do not recover, as they say

[Fikys]

Quote: Barmaleyka

the easiest way to turn on the fool

Yeah ... An extremely neglected case ... If you have such problems with understanding written language, what are you doing on the forum ?! I explain for the very sad types: heating by electricity is the most conveniently, wood heating is the most cheap. What is it customary to pay for the convenience and comfort of normal people, for you - a revelation?

Quote: Barmaleyka

just fairy tales about pleasure no need to talk

Why do you live in the village, if for you to go to the forest - martyrdom ?! It smacks of masochism, my friend!

Quote: Barmaleyka

strange you work if you can spend 3-4 hours a day felling

I spend more, almost the entire daylight hours;) And as for the work, Golovan Jack already answered you, I can only add that for the last three years I have been working three days, I do more work than work;)

Quote: Barmaleyka

for heating 10 sq m requires approximately 1-1.5 kW

Yeah. If the house is made of rams and sticks. Ten years ago, an acquaintance told me that he was visiting a relative in a gasified village and was very surprised that the house was made of a "hundred square meters" timber without any insulation, just sheathed with clapboard and painted;) So the owner told him that the gas was without a meter, is inexpensive, and he does not care about these inconsistencies. So here I am против that for my money (taxes) they conduct heating with all kinds of stupid hand-assed lazy people. On this dialogue I think is over.

[asbond]

Apparently, your village is completely deaf, if you regularly go to the forest for firewood, without fear of forest guards and a fine for unauthorized felling! Foresters do not "catch mice" at all?

[Fikys]

I don't touch living trees, only dead wood, read "dead wood";). And yes, for all the time I have never seen the forest guard.

[Alex Justice]

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk.

We build new gas plants everywhere, send for export, but not everyone has gas in Melbourne.

[Den717]

Quote: vadson

explain it to Gazprom

What does Gazprom have to do with it? Who is responsible for the gasification of settlements? Not at all Gazprom ... What are you trying to explain to him? You need to understand that these are different functions and different institutions ..

[edge]

Quote: Reptiloid

What are you saying? This is how they integrate with Geyropa

let Geyropa give them their wishlist, otherwise the dermoedians wanted to put us on the neck

[knn54]

In the evening, transit gas began to be pumped in. In the morning, the Minister of Defense runs in:
-Pan President, our army is defeated, tanks are moving to Kiev.
- How long can you detain the Russians?
- These are not Russians, they are Germans ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: knn54

- How long can you detain the Russians?
- These are not Russians, they are Germans ...

Quote: hert

let Geyropa and pay them their wishlist

For this to happen, it is necessary that metering devices be on the Russian-Ukrainian border, and not at the end consumer.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Again 25, this year 2009 is repeating itself, but only they forgot that now from the new year Russia can refuse to transit through Ukraine at all because Nord Stream 2 will be launched ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

but only they forgot that now, from the new year, can Russia completely refuse transit through Ukraine because Nord Stream 2 will be launched ...

you already got with this mantra, WE CAN’t refuse Ukrainian transit, the capacity of the remaining gas pipelines will not be enough

[Alexander Petrov1]

You didn’t get the ability to count, the Ukrainian maximum of 130 billion, 2 threads of the North for 55 billion, plus Belarusian transit, plus Turkish transit on the way ...

[Thrall]

If everything were so simple, as in the school problem on arithmetic about a pool and pipes, then almost all European countries would not have pumped record volumes of gas into their storage facilities before winter. Anyway, January 2020 is going to be "fun".
PS Already WADA connected with the recommendation to remove Russia from all international competitions for 4 years

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

You got it not the ability to count, the Ukrainian maximum 130 billion

and where does the Ukrainian maximum ???
I am already silent that you yourself have shown yourself to be illiterate if you equate 130 lard of the Ukrainian gas pipeline and 55 joint venture "

[Alexander Petrov1]

Duck, two strings of 55 billion Einstein, you are mine, plus Belarus, in Gazprom you yourself said that the maximum transit through Ukraine is up to 15 billion cubic meters and all or nothing ...

[Barmaleyka]

You are my literate and you have that 55 lard SP1 is not used now? !!!
just don’t scream, take and bring down the throughput of ALL branches and the supply volumes of 18 years and you will see that in the absence of a Sumerian branch you will not have enough 30-40 lards of bandwidth

[Alexander Petrov1]

You can count literate two Northern ones with a total of 110 billion and plus Belarus for this year 2019 will pump 40 billion cubic meters and everything is enough, even Europe said that it can do without Ukrainian transit ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

you know how to count two Northern total 110 billion and plus Belarus for this year 2019 pumped 40 billion cubic meters and everything is enough

I don’t even know what is worse for the country - are you idiots or liberals
Do you even know how to count? !!!
the arithmetic is very simple you add only SP2 everything else works for you and clean Ukraine, and now tell me the throughput of the added SP2 gas pipeline is more or less than the gas transmission system going through Sumer

[Alexander Petrov1]

Duck, because now we are pumping through Ukraine not 130 billion, but only 86 billion, that’s enough even with one thread of the Nord Stream and do not forget that Belarus will increase transit and in 2021 the Turkish stream will do ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

and only 86 billion

honestly, did you study at school ?!
Now 86 (through Ukraine), we remove Ukraine and add SP2 55 (the design load, which will not), are able to do the simplest arithmetic operation themselves ?!

[Alexander Petrov1]

Unlike you, I can count, anyway, in 2021, 100 percent will be enough for Northern and Turkish and Belarusian, and only a year remains, and Ukraine, if in January 2020 it starts to steal gas, we will block transit and increase pumping through Belarus and we’ll connect the second thread of the Nord Stream and Europe should be enough, especially since the winters of the cold do not promise in Europe in 2020.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Unlike you, I can count, anyway, in 2021, 100 percent will be enough for both the Northern and Turkish and the Belarusian

But it’s weak to give the throughput capacity of ALL gas pipelines without Ukrainian and to infuse the volume of supplies in 2018 ?!

[Alexander Petrov1]

Not funny...

[Barmaleyka]

certainly not funny, not only do you not know arithmetic, claim that 55 is more than 86, so you also don’t know anything on the topic
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alexander Petrov1]

I never wrote that 86 is more than 55, I wrote that to 55 add increased transit in 2019 and Europe should be defective.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

defective

they went straight from the trump cards, I give up everything, this argument is not breakable, I admit my complete and unconditional defeat

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

I wrote that to 55 add increased transit in 2019 and should be enough for Europe

do you understand what you wrote ?!
and now on the topic and in the numbers that you are so diligently circumventing

Turkey flow 31.5 billion m3 / year
Yamal - Europe 30 billion m3 / year
Blue flow 16 billion m3 / year
SP1 55 billion m3 / year
SP2 55 billion m3 / year

TOTAL 187,5 billion m3 / year
In 2018, Gazprom Export delivered 200,8 billion cubic meters to European countries. m of gas.
that is, minus 13,3 billion in the absence of the gas transmission system of Ukraine and the full load of gas pipelines

[Vadim237]

Since 2018, they have begun to work for deliveries to Europe and LNG terminals not for our gas, but in the same year in 2024 our Arctic LNG will be able to receive the same, now Siberia Force 2 is being introduced, and tomorrow another pipe may be thrown to Europe near the North stream 2 - Gazprom in fact does not lose anything in bulk.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Vadim237

but year so in the 2024th

uh
I understand correctly that the calendar is 19 and not 23 years old?

Quote: Vadim237

now the Power of Siberia 2 is being introduced, and tomorrow another pipe may be thrown to Europe next to Nord Stream 2 - Gazprom in fact does not lose anything in bulk.

damn it all can be in 5-7 years and then without a guarantee, we are talking about January 1, 2020

[Brturin]

Quote: Barmaleyka

that is, minus 13,3 billion in the absence of the gas transmission system of Ukraine and the full load of gas pipelines

From the beginning, two small refinements - SP-1 - in 2018 through the entrance point of Greifswald - 57,8 billion cubic meters. The capacity of Yamal-Europe is 32,8. But the question is, who decided that they would definitely buy gas from Gazprom. For the first half of 2019, Yamal LNG - 11,5 billion cubic meters. m (2 billion cubic meters in the first half of 1), the United States - 2018 billion cubic meters m. (7,6 million cubic meters in the first half of 500), Only these two suppliers increased supplies of 1 + 2018 = 9,5 billion cubic meters. + other LNG suppliers are on the alert .. In 7, Azerbaijani gas (another 16,5 billion) comes to Europe. And all this is competition for Gazprom, which has already lowered its sales forecast for Europe. So, what is minus 2020, but plus from other sources .... This is the market and how it will turn out ...

[Barmaleyka]

carefully read what I wrote about, the level of deliveries of 2018 without Gazprom's gas supply system cannot guarantee Gazprom

[Brturin]

Quote: Barmaleyka

2018 supply level

So on the calendar 2019, and what follows from the record of 2018 ... at 19 Novatek and the states entered the market largely, which was not at 18, Azerbaijani gas will enter at 20, which was not at 18 and 19. The question is what will be the winter and how the EU economy will behave (Trump factor with its duties). Everything flows, everything changes .... wait and see ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: BrTurin

So on the calendar 2019, and what follows from the 2018 record ...

MOSCOW, December 3. / TASS /. Gazprom's gas exports to Europe in 2018 will exceed 200 billion cubic meters. m, in 2019 Gazprom plans to reach the same volume, said the deputy head of the holding, Alexander Medvedev, during a conference call.

"I believe that at least 200 billion cubic meters will be exported in 2019 as well," Medvedev said.

[Brturin]

In August 2019 “We will return [in 2019] to the level of 2017 - about 192 billion cubic meters. m of gas, this is a 4–4,5% decrease from the level of 2018 ”- Head of the Gazprom Export Department Mikhail Malgin. Forecasts are not a gratifying thing ... From the beginning of the year to September 15, Gazprom has reduced gas exports to non-CIS countries by 4% compared to the same period last year. Do not forget that the UGS facilities were coming to an end ...

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: BrTurin

In August, “We will return [in 2019] to the level of 2017 - approximately 192 billion cubic meters. m of gas, this is a decrease of 4–4,5% from the level of 2018 ”- Mikhail Malgin, Head of the Gazprom Export Department.

TOTAL 187,5 billion m3 / year

[Brturin]

Quote: Barmaleyka

TOTAL 187,5 billion m3 / year

Do not forget that part of the gas went to the maximum filling of underground gas storage ...
Now the question is to go through the winter without Ukrainian transit and there are all prerequisites for this (if there are no severe frosts). What will happen next ... what kind of odds will be in Europe, how the situation will develop with Opal, amendments to the gas directive, LNG, including from the states, there are too many unknowns in this equation. As far as the states will bend the EU on the purchase of LNG +, if the low price of LNG is maintained, then a further reduction in the supply of Gazprom (and the growth of Novatek) and Gazprom will have enough cash capacity to resolve a number of issues. At one time - The maximum volume of transit of Russian gas through Ukraine after 2019 will not exceed 15 billion cubic meters. m - Miller. I doubt that this figure will suit Ukraine and the EU .... and then there is already politics .... Gazprom is building its Baltic LNG ...

[Barmaleyka]

once again all one is not enough 10-15 lard through Sumeria will have to drive, at least get caught

[Brturin]

Quote: Barmaleyka

not enough 10-15 lard

I wrote above that they have already been offered 15, they are not happy with it ....
Alternatively, 10 lard is about 7,5 million tons of LNG, who will guarantee that if the prices for LNG remain as they are now, Europe will not decide to buy LNG from the same Novatek or Gazprom (which buys LNG from it for deliveries to India and others) . + pressure of the states with their own LNG. As an example - the Austrian OMV "We signed an agreement that we will receive more than 1 billion cubic meters of LNG with delivery to our LNG terminal in Rotterdam in 2020. We did not record the origin of LNG. [Agreement] for one year with its possibility renewals ... With today's signing, I learned that LNG from Russia is more competitive than other sources. " For the winter, stocks have been created, Novatek announced that he is ready to hedge, prices are going down by the summer ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

once again all one is not enough 10-15 lard through Sumeria will have to drive, at least get caught

Man, don’t shout like that.

Even if you were eaten, you still have two ways out (s). But Gazprom has not yet been eaten ... so there are a lot more outlets.

For example - to buy on the spot something that was not delivered. Yes, at a loss, but - and the Sumerians "with their own" (that is - without everything), and the client is not offended. There is such a word "reputation", have you not heard? It is expensive, not a word, but the very concept itself, damn it ... reputation, in short

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Yes, at a loss, but - and the Sumerians

Yes, no one will buy anything, and the Ukrainians know this very well, it’s kind of a sport, they sit and think that it will resolve itself.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Yes no one will not be nothing buy in

Печатать no mistakes learn already, stands ... eyes hurt

Quote: Barmaleyka

sit and think that it will resolve itself

Are you miller Sorry, I did not recognize you in makeup ...

Quote: Barmaleyka

two olympiads in the toilet were lowered, on the approach the third and

Which side is it here? The moss is wedging, or the training manual has ended, which topic?

Quote: Barmaleyka

and you have to make a contract with the Sumerians

Everything can be. Contracts - they are also different.

Sha, buddy. Take it away already, I'm not interested in you. From the word "in general"

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Leave me alone, you are not interesting to me.

so you "grabbed" not interesting do not meddle

Quote: Golovan Jack

Learn to print without errors already, stands ... the eyes hurts

main argument

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Barmaleyka

main argument

No, the main one is another. But censorship won't miss

[NKT]

Gazprom in 2018 delivered to Europe (without Turkey) - 177 billion m3.
If you fully load SP1 and SP2 + Yamal-Europe + 2nd line of the Turkish stream, total about 159 billion m3. You can also add here an excess of 8 billion m3 from the Blue Stream, which Turkey did not choose in 2018. Total 167 billion m3

Next, you can consider options with a little rounding:
Option 0 (SP1-100%, SP2-100%, YE-100%, TP2-100%, GP-8blrd.m3)
- 167 billion m3, the remainder 10 billion m3
Option 1 (SP1-50%, SP2-50%, YE-100%, TP2-100%, GP-8blrd.m3)
- 112 billion m3, the remainder 65 billion m3
Option 2 (SP1-50%, SP2-0%, YE-100%, TP2-100%, GP-8blrd.m3)
- 85 billion m3, the remainder 92 billion m3

As you can see, option 0 is basic, it can be obtained by LNG and a slight increase in capacity, but more realistic options 1 (most likely) and 2 (current) leave a lot of questions.

[Vadim237]

Now through Ukraine, and 80 are not pumped. So you can calm down. There is Yamal Europe. Nord Stream. Nord Stream 2 until December 25 will make the Turkish Stream and its continuation to Europe - this winter all European storages are filled with gas - Ukrainian transit goodbye.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

even Europe said it could do without Ukrainian transit ...

Well, in general, if you don’t know, then the experts just said that you can’t do without the gas transportation system of Ukraine, with the delivery volumes of 18 years

[Vadim237]

In Russia, Baltic LNG and Arctic LNG will be opened in the coming years.

[Barmaleyka]

keywords coming years

[EXPrompt]

Quote: Barmaleyka

You are my literate and you have that 55 lard SP1 is not used now? !!!
just don’t scream, take and bring down the throughput of ALL branches and the supply volumes of 18 years and you will see that in the absence of a Sumerian branch you will not have enough 30-40 lards of bandwidth

How much we do not have enough bandwidth is an interesting question ..
Well, for the first time, the SP-2 will be finished and already by the middle of the year they can get gas, so there can easily be a situation when the SP-2 can pump 2020-15-20 yards already in 30.
Then the main thing - and hell knows how much real gas demand from Europe will be in 2020.
There, with a warm winter, maybe 150 yards of everything is needed and enough.

[Brturin]

Quote: EXPrompt

Then the main thing - and hell knows how much real gas demand from Europe will be in 2020.

This is the main question, and with all calculations, it should be borne in mind that Gazprom is not the only gas supplier, that everyone is obliged to buy from it - Novatek has increased its deliveries to Europe several times, the states are pushing their LNG, Azerbaijani gas will come. Plus, the Trump factor - in addition to the economic confrontation with China, he does not forget about the EU - in October, duties were introduced, they threaten a new trade investigation and car duties, and this, like in China, can be said about the economy, and this in turn is about gas consumption , so that

and hell knows

[EXPrompt]

Quote: BrTurin

This is the main question, and with all calculations, it should be borne in mind that Gazprom is not the only gas supplier, that everyone is obliged to buy from it - Novatek has increased deliveries at times to Europe, the states are pushing their LNG,

Yes, of course not alone.
~~~ Norway 130, Algeria 54-56, again groningen is not yet closed ...


Yes, Azerbaijanis will come tanap + tar ... very scary as much as much as 10 billion cubic meters.

Do you know how much real supplies of American LV are to the EU?
2017 -2,5 billion cubic meters 2018 --3,7 billion cubic meters (this is in terms of).

[Brturin]

US in the 1st half of 2019 - 7,6 billion cubic meters m. The question is price. Having set up trade wars, the states dropped LNG prices, and new capacities continue to be introduced, LNG supplies under contracts at such prices to some producers, which is called at a loss, and the rest are not happy ... Here is their own intrigue ...

[NKT]

Australian LNG are operating at a loss, and this despite the fact that the capex for them is the highest in the world.

[Vadim237]

In Russia, everything is much simpler with LNG - since the terminals are built in the northern latitudes where six months minus 30 - 40 and higher.

[EXPrompt]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

You didn’t get the ability to count, the Ukrainian maximum of 130 billion, 2 threads of the North for 55 billion, plus Belarusian transit, plus Turkish transit on the way ...

On January 2020, 128, Gazprom bypass routes around Ukraine will have 62 bcm per year + - (1 SP34 + 31,5 Yamal + 1,2 Turkish 2018) in 200,8, it delivered 2021 bcm to the EU. Here is such a picture to finish by 2 SP-180 + Eugal will be already XNUMX billion cubic meters.
Judging by how the SP-2 is being completed, it will still be able to manage to deliver about 20 billion by the end of 2020. so that even without Ukraine they will be able to reach 140-150 in 2020.
and in 2021 the formula will be like this (62 + 55 SP-1 SP-2 + 34 Yamal + 31,5 Turks) == 182,5

The Ukrinskaya GTS is a maximum design 178bn, but it never worked like that.

[Rostislav]

"We can not? Can't close the valve?
Yes, there will be losses. From both sides - Russia will receive fines, Europe will start to freeze and the economy will also "sag". But maybe it’s worth showing strength of character once?
Europe warned of the termination of transit through Ukraine? Now let them rejoice at their successes in preventing the construction of the South Stream (through Bulgaria), in delaying the construction of SP2 and restrictive laws that do not allow the pipe to be loaded at full capacity.
Gazprom does not count money? Let him get on the domestic market, many places in Russia require gasification.
And to shake the EU a little for everyone's benefit, there they will then get theirs.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Rostislav

"We can not?

Remember the circus with gasoline prices in Russia - just a business with which you can only NEGOTIATE, going towards the "interests of business".

When asked how he assesses rallies in France against growth
gas prices and the protest potential of Russians, Putin explained what
the difference between Russia and France in the fuel issue.
“The French government has deliberately raised prices (for gasoline) in order to redistribute resources to resolve energy policy issues. People didn’t like it. What is going on with us?Gas prices rose due to rising oil prices. But the government immediately began to take measures to curb rising prices, ”the president explained.

MOSCOW, July 20 -
RIA News. A serious limitation of the cost of motor fuel will not be true, because of this development of the Russian oil refining business will slow downthat will cause a new jump in prices. This was stated by President Vladimir Putin during a visit to the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works.

MOSCOW, July 30
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that provides for adjusting the parameters of the damping mechanism aimed at stabilizing prices for gasoline and diesel fuel.

Gazprom; Rosneft; LUKOIL DO NOT SELL OIL ABROAD - gas costs us dearly And gas prices are tied to oil - a vicious circle ....

[EXPrompt]

Quote: Rostislav

"We can not? Can't close the valve?
Yes, there will be losses. From both sides - Russia will receive fines, Europe will start to freeze and the economy will also "sag". But maybe it’s worth showing strength of character once?
Е

What makes you think that the Russian Federation will receive losses?
The Russian Federation will not make a profit by force majeure. Penalties are not a fact that she will receive.
Gas contracts are written something like this: 20 billion cubic meters + the possibility of building up +20.
We saw this, such schemes, in the public disclosed contracts of Gazprom in particular Ukrainian 2009.
Russia will not fulfill the plans for the buildup, but 128bn of already ready roundabout routes for fulfilling obligations should be enough.

[EXPrompt]

On January 2020, 128, Gazprom bypass routes around Ukraine will have 62 bcm per year + - (1 SP34 + 31,5 Yamal + 1,2 Turkish 2018) in 200,8, it delivered 2021 bcm to the EU. Here is such a picture will finish by 2 SP-180 + Eugal will be another 2 billion cubic meters. Judging by how the SP-20 is being completed, it will still be able to manage to deliver about 2020 billion by the end of 140. so that even without Ukraine they will be able to reach 150-2020 in XNUMX.


Even this year we can refuse from gas transit in Ukraine or reduce it to insignificant values ​​if the winter is generally warm. While the gas situation in the EU, the excess storage is clogged to capacity. Not the fact that 128 is not enough

[common man]

Quote: Barmaleyka

WE CAN’t refuse Ukrainian transit, there will not be enough capacity of the remaining gas pipelines

It is better to pay forfeits for half a year to Europe for undelivered gas, than to Ukraine for 9,5 years for under-delivered.

[edge]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

because Nord Stream 2 will be launched ...

well, sv-2 will only be launched at 50% until the geyropa runs into gas shortages

[Lusis]

Here the information passed, moreover, in UkroSMI ... ** KIEV. November 25. Fire safety. Germany appealed the decision of the EU court on the OPAL gas pipeline, the Nord Stream domestic gas pipeline. The case “Germany v. Poland” has been registered and assigned a number, Fire Safety writes with reference to Polish Radio .... ** For some reason, the link is very long, I didn’t post it.

[cost]

Ukraine will steal Russian gas if a new contract is not signed for its transit through the Ukrainian GTS to Europe. This was directly stated by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko

Who would doubt that They stole, they steal and will steal

[edge]

Quote: Rich

Ukraine will steal Russian gas if a new contract is not signed for its transit through the Ukrainian GTS to Europe. This was directly stated by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko

but this is Bell’s incident, they want to surrender, so that they would be fed again

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they can’t help but steal! What will you do with them? They are children in the full sense of the word.

They are no longer "Onizhedeti", but just what the "Onizhedeti" were and were.

[evgen1221]

They are children, yes. And what do they do with a shy child to prevent relapse? Atata and the corner.

[RUSS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they can’t help but steal! What will you do with them? They are children in the full sense of the word.

I am sure that they will sign a contract with Ukraine and most likely on their terms, they will again reach it more than once before the new year, but they will sign it, well, and our media will once again present this as another victory of the Kremlin

[max702]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they can not steal

Don't you know what the word steal came from the word Ukraine?

[abrakadabre]

Well, they can’t help but steal!

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but it seems like theft is considered to be taken quietly, without notice to the owner. And if in the open, then this is a robbery. This is a more serious article in the Criminal Code. Several tactical missiles with corresponding warheads along these same gas storages, and there will be nowhere to upload stolen goods. Unless packaged in cylinders.
In general, to score on these threats and notify partners that in this situation, regardless of the opinions of others, we will consider gas shipped to the customer upon crossing our border. And let those who disagree with this turn to Naftogaz with a copy in Sportloto.

[Avior]

we will consider gas shipped to the customer upon crossing our border

Gazprom is categorically against the sale of gas on the Ukrainian border. it has been discussed and raised more than once

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well, they can’t help but steal!

Wait, what will Naftogaz have to do with the Ukrainian gas transportation system after the New Year? Same as our gas - ILLEGAL. There, for the transportation of gas, a new enterprise is organized, separate from Naftogaz, all according to "European laws"

[Brturin]

Quote: svp67

separate from Naftogaz, all in accordance with "European laws"

And according to these "European laws" there is such a thing as booking capacities, so that there is no contract, capacities are reserved for a certain period (six months, a year, two, ....). Example - contract with Bulgarians - Bulgarian pipe,

[svp67]

Quote: BrTurin

And according to these "European laws" there is such a thing as booking capacities, so that there is no contract, capacities are reserved for a certain period (six months, a year, two, ....).

They do not wish to apply this part of the "European legislation" to Gazprom, as it is:
a) Enables Gazprom to use the Ukrainian GTS without a long-term contract
b) It limits Gazprom’s ability to use the Ukrainian gas transportation system to 50% of the capacity, which means to abandon 50% of the money themselves. Yes, they will strangle ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They are children in the full sense of the word.

What are their children? They are also great, they have such a mentality - to erase everything that passes by.

[smart ass]

But Yitsenyuk had a good idea to build a wall on the border with Russia, in my opinion it was necessary to help a neighbor so that he could no longer see ancient ukrov,

[flint]

Soon you will whine as kaklopiteki, when your sheds will be heated with dung and farting :))

[Incvizitor]

Well, the same stolen ...

[Maz]

To upload a division there, and preferably five, and let them steal their health.

[Prahlad]

Nothing strike caliber Naftogaz quickly sober up.

[Fibrizio]

And all at once. Including masters of calibers, so not worth it.

[210ox]

You are funny. And why didn’t our people crash in 2014 in May, when it was necessary? And here it’s all loot .. But our authorities will not refuse this. A transit agreement will be signed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 210ox

And our powers that be will not refuse such a thing. A transit agreement will be signed.

It's not about transit, not about "bad Ukrainians" and not "good Russians," it's all about "American dollars." To whom, how much, and where will get it.

[Invoce]

Loot rules everything, now. Even if they did sign it, it would not be to the detriment of SP-2, they invested a lot of money there. It is not profitable to sponsor the Ukrainian GTS to the detriment of your pocket.

[BAI]

A transit agreement will be signed.

Undoubtedly.

[Vadim237]

It will be signed only if Ukraine withdraws its claims and agrees to annual transit - otherwise Gazprom will reset the transit through Ukraine - Europe has the same storage facilities if transit through Ukraine ceases.

[Livonetc]

Gauges for other subjects.
Those who organize the destruction of such temporary territorial entities as Ukraine.
And the ruin will remain without the ability to steal gas by the end of next year.
"The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue."

[Sky strike fighter]

For a long time, it is necessary to make sure that the gas that appears on the territory of Ukraine is considered to be gas supplied by the Russian Federation to the EU, and how much gas and who owns the gas, let the Europeans understand each other. They have an association with Ukraine. on the border, and everything that came belongs to the EU for a small certain amount of gas necessary for the functioning of the gas transportation system of Ukraine. And let them argue who dangled gas from whom. Between us. We only need money. And it turns out a super stupid system of calculation where we are stupidly robbed. And we agree as the last I don’t know who. It’s time to send everyone for a long time.

[bessmertniy]

It is necessary to supply gas through the Ukrainian border only if it is paid for, and it doesn’t matter if Ukraine pays or the EU - then they let them figure it out among themselves — who loves whom more and who steals from whom.

[Hunter 2]

Class! Just a frank confession of the intention to Steal! Explicit Idiocy! Well, and what kind of transit is possible through this country?

[bondrostov]

I now consider that it is time to end this obscurantism! And make a political decision not to let gas through Ukraine anymore! Let us lose money, but then Europe will also think about sp2 + seizures !!

[The leader of the Redskins]

So Europe has already puzzled mattresses!)) For her old woman, like that peasant from "Chapaev", where can she go?)))

[bondrostov]

Well then, sorry! Or mattresses or firewood

[Fibrizio]

Europe will find where to buy gas if something happens. The collapse will be, but not for long. Why do we need to blackmail someone? This is ugly and it’s not accepted to do so unless you are Trump or Kim Jin-un. Europeans do not understand humor.

[bondrostov]

That is, in your opinion, let them blackmail us? And why do we even then need to sell gas if they want to get 22 lard from us? Or do you have doubts about whose benefit the euro courts will be?

[Fibrizio]

Given the stagnation in the economy, we cannot afford not to sell gas. Secondly, we have gas supply contracts in the year 20. For non-compliance there will be penalties. It is beneficial for the Russian Federation to conclude a contract for 1 year, Ukraine is interested in 10.
There is a bargain. With its statement, Naftogaz made it clear that it wouldn’t be able to pump gas under a fool.
And as for the European courts, we won some.
I am sure that you and I have not studied the subject of these vessels, and heard about them only on TV or from representatives of Gazprom or Russian experts, which obviously cannot be called biased.

[bondrostov]

No court decision I have not studied. But the total mass of decisions speaks of the explicit bias of their courts. It is necessary to force Europa to push on the ruin. I understand that the decision is in Washington, but let Europe mean the host asks.
Ps I, too, when my dog ​​whines and asks for sausages, I give her

[DenZ]

Quote: Fibrizio

Europe will find where to buy gas if something happens. The collapse will be, but not for long. Why do we need to blackmail someone?

Europe may find, but Ukraine is unlikely to find (especially in the absence of money) If Ukraine takes transit gas, it will instantly become not only our problem but also the problem of Europe. It turns out that Ukraine is blackmailing Europe with its far-fetched inaction on the lack of a transit agreement with us. And if Merkel is now for preserving transit through Ukraine, then it is not clear what will happen if Ukraine starts stealing gas again. Is the patience of Europeans unlimited? We will see so to speak.

[Fibrizio]

And how can our gas end up there without a contract for transportation? No way. Smuggled only if. Or in the event that the Ukrainian concludes an agreement with "Europe".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bondrostov

I now consider that it is time to end this obscurantism! And make a political decision not to let gas through Ukraine anymore!

So that's the catch, that it is not you and not We who make these decisions. These decisions are made by "fat cats" with healthy money bags on their shoulders (a heavy burden).

[bondrostov]

But that is understandable. We are honestly just that those grandmas on the benches

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bondrostov

We are honestly just that those grandmas on the benches

Just extras in someone else's movie.

[max702]

Quote: bondrostov

! And make a political decision not to let gas through Ukraine anymore!

This is not enough .. According to the mind of the visa, and the moat with the towers .. It’s a pity the Yatsenyuk did not build a wall, now we will have to do our own .. The truth is embarrassed by the statements about the fraternal people from the very top .. I hope they troll so subtly ..

[bondrostov]

There are many normal people, so the moat with the towers is in vain new. Otherwise, I agree

[max702]

Quote: bondrostov

There are a lot of normal people

Judging by the number of anti-war protests, they are not there .. Yes, and public opinion polls about the continuation of the "war" say the same thing .. You will excuse the population is responsible for its leadership .. Germany incurred it for Hitler's leadership, having paid millions of dead and complete loss of its sovereignty country .. So the ruinda will pay off with blood, sweat and tears .. it’s all your own fault, and for the lesson to go to good use it is vital ..

[begemot20091]

and you are sure that they are normal. I, having lived 25 years, doubt it. the normality there is a piece goods. even under the USSR, they kept buzzing to me about their exclusivity, about the fact that they were feeding Russia, ... God, I'm happy that I left the country of madness with my family. if a daughter was told in 2000 "a suitcase, a station, Russia" - and this is at school. I imagine to be told today. they were roguly, and they remained. walk-field is their genetic way of life. now this is especially evident. the enlightened ones either left for Russia, or for Europe. Westerners, who used to go to earn money as seasonal workers, are now living in Donbas. and no need to work. simple and straightforward. drive up to any military unit on the days of rotation, you will see everything that ukrovoyaks from the Donetsk region have pinned. Solovyov speaks correctly and on other talk shows: "Ukraine was built and developed only in alliance with Russia. Today's split is the betrayal of our liberals in the 90s and the work of the secret services of NATO countries. But, most importantly, there were enough of our traitors."

[valeryb]

Quote: bondrostov

I now consider that it is time to end this obscurantism! And make a political decision not to let gas through Ukraine anymore! Let us lose money, but then Europe will also think about sp2 + seizures !!

It’s right and immediate, right now, to shut off the transfer of gas from Russia.

[bondrostov]

You are mistaken for the censor

[valeryb]

Quote: bondrostov

You are mistaken for the censor

Am I that? No, don’t make a mistake. I am for Stalin (Cheers). It would be great to revive Stalin.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Hunter 2

Class! Just a frank confession of the intention to Steal! Explicit Idiocy! Well, and what kind of transit is possible through this country?

Did you only understand this now? Yes, it has been so for decades, and we ourselves have encouraged it, so what we fought for and ran into it. It wasn’t a fig from the very beginning to stimulate gas corruption in Ukraine, everyone wanted to influence Ukraine in such a strange way, by washing the gas dough. It's time to break this rotten scheme.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

It wasn’t a fig from the very beginning to stimulate gas corruption in Ukraine, everyone wanted to influence Ukraine in such a strange way, by washing the gas dough.

The desire to "cut" more dough through the thieves' community of Ukraine, in the end turned sideways.

[PROXOR]

But no. Gazprom already 2 months ago was broadcasting news that it was filling storage facilities in the territory of Geyropa to last for 2-3 months. And there the adblesh will already warm in Geyrop and Nord Stream 2 will take effect. The Turkish stream is already filled with gas.
I translate - 1.01.2020g. GPZ through the country 404 will not work. Let them try to steal, since there is no transit contract.

[Invoce]

This means that Kiev warned that it would steal or hold gas until Russia signed a transit agreement on gas pumping, beneficial to Kiev. Blackmail ... cards are open, bets are made ... Your decision gentlemen from the EU? We will continue to otmazyvat stubborn horses?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Do you doubt it? The three of us (Americans, Europe and dill) are easier to dictate!

[Invoce]

Yeah ... dictators are so-so ... There is someone to sell gas to ... and the EU (Germany) will not give up cheap gas to the detriment of its industry ... What's that, but the Germans know how to count, maybe even better than everyone else the rest of the "concerned democrats"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Invoce

Your decision gentlemen from the EU? We will continue to otmazyvat stubborn horses?

Do not hesitate, continue to otmazyvatsya.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Invoce

This means that Kiev warned that it would steal or hold gas until Russia signed a transit agreement on gas pumping, beneficial to Kiev. Blackmail ... cards are open, bets are made ... Your decision gentlemen from the EU? We will continue to otmazyvat stubborn horses?

Don’t sign anything with Ukraine. After six months, Nord Stream-2 will start working and after that don’t supply anything. Let them take gas as much as these six months, but it will be their swan song. It’s cheaper for us than to sign a binding contract for long years and all these long years to pay Ukraine is not clear for what. Stop garbage already engaged. She is ashamed of God.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

all these long years to pay Ukraine is not clear for what.

"Freebie" in Ukraine has not yet been canceled.

[Jarserge]

Interesting and what is this audience hoping for? The insolence of the "jackal Tabaki"

[Brturin]

The statement is more likely for internal use, but ... and they have a certificate from Europe that, with such a development of the situation, the buyer will not mind. No wonder Gazprom scored UGS facilities. Are they really starting to lose their nerves at Naftagaz?
And so the movement along SP-2 began - The pipe-laying vessel Solitaire, participating in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, left the Estonian port of Muuga and is heading to Bornholm Island in Danish waters, according to the MarineTraffic navigation portal. Another pipelayer, the Pioneering Spirit, sailed from the vicinity of Tenerife towards the North Sea. Soon the ship is to pass by the island of Bornholm. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7195969

[BAI]

The pipe-laying vessel Solitaire, participating in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, has left the Estonian port of Muuga and is heading for Bornholm Island in Danish waters, according to the navigation portal MarineTraffic. Another pipelayer, the Pioneering Spirit, sailed from the vicinity of Tenerife towards the North Sea.

And in the near future, the United States will take sanctions against companies that own pipe-laying vessels at SP-2, insurance companies that service these vessels and ports that provide various services to these vessels. And everything will rise. And the Estonian port of Muuga will be the first to fail.

[Brturin]

Quote: BAI

And in the near future the United States will adopt sanctions

How many years the states have been scaring this, where is the guarantee that this time they will accept it.
June 2018 - https://topwar.ru/142511-ssha-gotovy-k-vvedeniyu-sankciy-protiv-severnogo-potoka-2.html
The defense law for 2020 has not yet been adopted, there is still time until the new year. Miller talked about building the Danish section of Nord Stream 2 in five weeks.

[Vadim237]

It remains to lay 147 kilometers of the pipeline - no sanctions and closures of ports will stop it - the pipe-laying ship will leave once and complete it.

[Fibrizio]

The news frankly did not surprise.
Gazprom had conversations that it was supposed to extend the contract de facto, i.e. just pumping gas on and paying in fact without a new contract.
Naftogaz gave the answer that it wouldn’t work like that. There is a bargain. As I understand it, we do not have time with the Nord Stream - 2, hence we are forced to flirt with Ukraine.

[IvanT]

It should be borne in mind that without wide publicity, Gazprom pumped all of its European storages under the neck. Everything will depend on nature. With a mild winter, the Ruin is completely unnecessary, and in the cold there will be a problem.

[Fibrizio]

Now everything depends on whether this gas is enough to secure obligations under the Contracts before the launch of SP2. Actually everything.

[Brturin]

Quote: IvanT

and in the cold there will be a problem

“If there are calls from Gazprom, we will consider. It’s super important for the country not to terminate the contracts that Gazprom signed on European markets ”- Novatek, they launch the 4th LNG line at the beginning of the year

[Invoce]

In fact, Kiev wants to become a hub. Sell ​​gas from Russia to the EU, but at its price, taking into account its Wishlist for transit! Such conditions were exposed to Gazprom, and did not find understanding. Now the horses threw Old in the EU. Type EU pays Gazprom for gas, and we (the oldest and wisest Ukrainians) will be forced to pay for transit! Let's see what happens

[Fibrizio]

In general, they wanted a 10-year transit contract (about the same as it is now) with the condition that the gas be pumped minimally in order to have a stable profit, and in the case of pumping lower than indicated in the contract, the Russian Federation will still have to pay for the minimum agreed volume.
By the way, it was precisely for the lack of pumping that Ukrainians put up a sour amount, all by the way, under the contract.
They also want to reconcile debit and credit at the time of signing a new contract.

And about the hub and direct sales, these are the wet dreams of "experts".

[Vadim237]

By December 25, SP 2 will be completed.

[DMoroz]

The signal has been given and we hope it will be heard and announced by Gazprom at the European level. Then, if it is impossible to completely stop transit, it will remain to push through buyers in Europe a short-term contract for pumping to the border with 404, and then let the buyers have a headache and they butt with them on transit conditions ... They will quickly fix these fighters against "smuggling". ..

[BAI]

I agree with the Ukrainian calculations. Gazprom will have to pump 50 billion cubic meters through Ukraine. The only workaround is to buy liquefied gas somewhere and deliver it to consumers under the guise of Russian.

[askort154]

Ukro-Ukrainians cannot live a day without nonsense, blackmail and theft. Now they started bluffing - they will "upload".
And where to upload?
"Naftogaz" a month ago, reassured Rada that he had already downloaded
all storages and if Russia does not extend the contract, then the injected gas is enough until the warm season.

[rocket757]

It’s just interesting, we’ll just see it!

[Alexey-74]

Theft at the state level is just in the style of Ukraine. I wonder what Russia will do with it? As always, send protest notes?

[Mouse]

Ukraine will steal Russian gas if it does not sign a new contract for its transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system to Europe. This was directly stated by the executive director of Naftogaz Yuri Vitrenko, making an appropriate entry on Facebook.

I think that this post will only confirm Europe in the belief that she needs the SP-2 more than ever!

[Stena]

These are the last convulsions.
The arguments are over, namely:
with the court - collapse and lack of a quick decision + legal costs.
with the confiscation of Gazprom property - collapse.
with the possibility of further existence - collapse (the Russians offer a contract only for a year and under unacceptable conditions, and then complete collapse).
The main enemy of this fraternity is the time and competent actions of the Russian Federation and Russian gas companies, primarily Gazprom.
And the most important collapse is the need to rebuild the entire gas production and gas transportation system, which will need to be modernized and adjusted (rebuilt) to reduce the demand from the industry. enterprises and the population, without transporting significant volumes of gas.

[kriten]

Kiev needs to stop transit, only then does it hope that the EU and the USA, having abandoned all claims, will begin to pump it with money and free weapons. It would be necessary to support this, but for this the Kremlin must forget about the fraternal people, to whom it is necessary to give everything that he wants, despite the war he himself declared.

[Potato]

If Gazprom closes the pipe under NG, then nothing will help the Kiev regime - neither weapons, nor money. Banderfuhrer will be demolished on the first cold and dark night .....

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Potato

If Gazprom closes the pipe under NG ... Banderfuhrer will be demolished on the first cold and dark night ...

To you in Google - to learn what UGS is. This is for starters, so as not to write nonsense here.

Well, or right away - dig potatoes

[Potato]

And then here? As soon as the gas runs out after the pipe is closed, they will be demolished. And without the coveted transit, it will end at the salozhors and quickly without looking at any underground gas storage facilities.

[Vadim237]

They wanted to pump hydrogen into their UGTS.

[Potato]

Where would they get so much hydrogen? This is a new hydrogen weapon, chtol?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Potato

Banderfuhrer will be demolished on the first cold and dark night .....

who will carry ??? the vast majority of VNA residents, who for 5 years meekly endure the most sophisticated bullying of the authorities ???

[Potato]

When it becomes cold and hungry - they will not demolish it, but will devour it, presenting it from the headset on the boards of its own living room.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Potato

When it becomes cold and hungry - they will not demolish it, but will devour it, presenting it from the headset on the boards of its own living room.

you overestimate them ... hathaskray - the credo of the majority ... and no cold will help ... they are freezing now and are shut up !!!

[DRM]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk.

Count the payback of your life.

Turn on your brains. Stop measuring all the loot.

You can excite me, but in the remote Ural, Siberian, Volga villages and in many millions of houses this will not be warmer.

I don't give a damn about US gasification. Continue to salivate to flow through this country.
I live in Russia. And here we need to create decent living conditions for our relatives.
Let everything freeze in Europe and in the rest of the world. You need to think about your people, about your loved ones.

And you continue to pray for candy wrappers.

This is absolutely true. Gasification of the Russian "hinterland" was on the agenda even under the USSR. It is a pity that it is still "worth it".

[gridasov]

If you put a man on a leash like a dog, then he will remain wild. If leaders in Ukraine grew up in the midst of theft and lack of morality, then it is impossible to demand anything else from them. But all is not so bad. It's not so bad among fools

[thinker]

How can you discuss this nonsense! No contract - no gas transit! What is the injection into gas storage?

[Nikolay Shestakov]

Yes, no one will supply you gas without a contract. Suck from the pipe. Maybe that will appear.

[Fibrizio]

Gazprom tried to develop the idea that they can pump gas without an agreement, but we will pay after the fact.
This is actually the answer to them.

[prior]

Ukraine begs to be reset to zero.
It seems like time.

[Dzafdet]

Well, Gulchatay opened his face! As they stole, they are going! Is it time to warn them about the bombing of the territory, in particular, Kuev?

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: vadson

explain it to Gazprom

Calculate the cost of a gas pipeline to a remote Ural or Siberian village, its payback (project), and stop idle talk. Where is the cheapest gas in the world? That's right, in the USA. Take an interest in the level of gasification there!

You’re a friend, either from a great mind, or from lack of mind confusing business and the state. Refer to the source of the Constitution, the duty of the state to take care of its citizens ..... Before writing libel and criticism, can you change the state to a warmer one for you?

[fif21]

No contract, no pumping! Let freebies break off with their Wishlist.

[Vkd dvk]

A problem that could speed up the unconditional launch of Nord Stream 2. On any conditions, without delays and bureaucracy. A problem that can sober up the Western patrons of the ukrofashists. They will lose everything from banditry. But finally and irrevocably ukrozhopiya.

[Potato]

Ocres continue to play old music ...

Question: why can’t you just close the Kohlyat pipeline on the border of the 31st?

[NF68]

How much the rope does not curl, but the end will be. As a result, horses and their sympathizers will lose much more. The only bad thing is that it will not affect the horses either.

[Vadim237]

From the first of January, Russia can close transit through the gas transportation system to the EU; all storage facilities are full for the whole winter, and for one January 1, launch the first line of Nord Stream 2 - and launch the second in the summer of 2020. Now Europe buys about 80 billion cubic meters of gas through Ukraine, Nord Stream 2 - 55 billion cubic meters, Turkish stream another 20 billion for Europe, the remaining 5 billion can be loaded to the maximum supply through the Yamal - Europe and Nord Stream pipelines.

[NKT]

The second line of SP2 will not be launched in the summer in any way, since the land continuation of SP2 (2nd line) will be completed by the end of 2020.
Turkish stream - only the second string for Europe - 15.75 billion m3
SP1 now has a 50% workload. With SP2, the same thing can happen.

[Vadim237]

Well, just in SP 1 we’ll begin to pump all 100%.

[Sapsan136]

So you need to introduce a complete embargo on trade with Banderostan, and Russia should be cleared of Bandera and Basmachi, with the deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation and deportation

[7 poplar]

the geyropa will quickly explain whose gas it is.

[Metallurg_2]

Well, then there will be no gas from January 1 - and there will be nothing to pump.