US naval artillery three times surpassed the guns of the Russian Navy in range

The United States managed to bring the firing range to 50 km with a new projectile, designated the Excalibur N5. Fire was fired from the MK45 Mod. 4, which in its basic version is able to effectively hit a distance of 15-16 km. At the same time, low firing accuracy is observed, leading to overuse of shells.

The caliber of the new ammunition is 127 mm. Its development was entrusted to Raytheon. A special navigation system has been created for the projectile, implemented via the GPS channel. It makes it possible to conduct accurate fire, despite the increased range to 48,1 km. During the last test, a satisfactory result was announced.

According to a Raytheon spokesman, the Mk45 Mod 4 gun acquired the ability to hit targets at a distance three times the range of the AK-176MA system, which is the most advanced artillery system available to the Russian Navy.

This product was created on the basis of AK-176, used since 1979 year. The new modification fires at a distance of 15 km with a rate of 124 rounds per minute. One of the main differences from the American Mk45 is the AK-176MA caliber, which is only 76 mm.

Comments

[olhon]

I do not believe (s).

[Crash_117]

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

noooooo ... we just know how these overseas humpback sculpts !!!!

[A1845]

the ability to hit targets at a distance three times the range of the AK-176MA system

cost of 1 shot compare, everything will become clear

[tihonmarine]

Quote: A1845

cost of 1 shot compare, everything will become clear

I compared, appreciated and realized that it would be great for selling to "fools". Vaughn has already made an application. About gun MK45 Mod. 4 I can say "Good commercial product, but no more."

[hydrox]

You, as a mariman, can certainly say that these new MARINE guns (along with shells!) As a weapon are NOT worth anything, because:
1. Stripes NEVER dare to approach our shores at a distance closer to the working distance of the Bastion.
2. In the event of declaring martial law, the distance of guaranteed defeat for naval targets of the enemy is increased by min to 1000 miles.
3. And what, some bastard really thinks that squadron naval battles are possible in our times ???
I wallow patstalom !!!!!!!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hydrox

1. Stripes NEVER dare to approach our shores at a distance closer to the working distance of the Bastion.

Well, what kind of tramples with a cannon and ashore, it's like "Vasily Ivanovich, well, what kind of heel climbs on a saber," said Petka, wiping the saber. A cannon at the present time is more of a defense weapon, an OVRA, border troops, a reflection of the landing force, i.e. close combat (I fired from around the corner, and again ran away around the corner).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hydrox

I wallow in patstalom!

And I already choked with a glass of vodka from laughter.

[lukewarm]

Be careful with that. Under the new rules, the driver’s commission will not pass. She was just suspended. Sorry, not the topic.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: unwillingly

Be careful with that. Under the new rules, the driver’s commission will not pass.

The last rights were taken away in the army 36 years ago, now I go on foot, and I can skip a glass too.

[Rome]

This shell is not for naval battles, but for the destruction of ground targets, with the support of the landing, for example.

Not all shores need to be located for 1000 miles, there are shores where you can and get in touch

Just what are you comparing with a 76mm gun? Our 130 km also 40

[Fat]

Quote: Eroma

This shell is not for naval battles, but for the destruction of ground targets, with the support of the landing, for example.

Not all shores need to be located for 1000 miles, there are shores where you can and get in touch

Just what are you comparing with a 76mm gun? Our 130 km also 40

You can not compare the 3 x inch with 5-inch universal, the weight categories are different. MK45 missile ERGM reaches up to 115 km,

[Igor K]

The projectile is active-reactive and therefore there is little in it, as a result the high-explosive action is "none". What are you going to support them (I am not talking about the cost of this marvelous device).

[Rome]

Point targets: radar, CP, fuel barrels under an awning (in action movies they usually do), schooners at the pier, airplanes at the gates, you can find what to shoot

[SovAr238A]

I compared, appreciated and realized that it would be great for selling to "fools". Vaughn has already made an application.

India is not fools. as if they were laughing.

do not forget that all. what we now have from Sukhoi - only thanks to the Indians.
Their contract for the Su-30MKI saved the remains of our military aircraft industry.

do not forget that all. what we now have from Tankova - only thanks to the Indians.
Their contract for the T-90 saved the remains of our military tank industry.

do not forget that the life-giving caliber appeared for the Indians ...
And much more...


And now on the topic of the article.
I read a bunch of articles about marine excalibur ...

And nowhere - believe me, nowhere is there a single comparison with the AK-176MA.

News Authors - Do you want to be notified in court?
For fake news?

Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 13.15. Abuse of freedom of the media ...

200 thousand rubles to start the site does not want to pay?
False Edition ...
A huge amount of news - false, distorted.
really fake.

It’s time to start wetting news authors .... according to the laws of the Russian Federation.
Well, when do you learn to think with your head?

Delete such heresy - until the statement has flown to court ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SovAr238A

Delete such heresy - until the statement has flown to court ....

Well, you’ve split up today, smash everyone. Yes, let them write.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: SovAr238A

Delete such heresy - until the statement has flown to court ....

Well, you’ve split up today, smash everyone. Yes, let them write.

I think it’s necessary to bring this anti-Russian (in fact) publication to court ...
That would return 5-8 years ago to that normal professionalism. not the current fake news level ...

[hydrox]

He’s right, the fake guns are unbelievable: any material on BV can turn out to be fake, and while discussing it, we are fools

[Leonid Anatolevich]

He had to give a link to a representative of the raceon. They could actually try to sneak about the AK-176, they would have thrown these firewood long ago

[Suhow]

Plus for India.

[asv363]

Quote: SovAr238A

Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 13.15. Abuse of freedom of the media ... doesn’t the site want to pay 200 thousand rubles to start? A false publication ... A huge amount of news - false, distorted. Realistically fake. It's time to start the news authors to wet .... according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Well, when do you learn to think with your head? Delete such heresy - until the court statement flies ....

You will first study all the points of article 13.15. CAO, before presenting. Gramoteev divorced ... a lot. Only none of the items fit. You have 200 thousand rubles to funds for helping children in the DPR and LPR and a public apology to the editors of VO so that I can see. Got it? Do it!

[eklmn]

“Compare the cost of 1 shot, everything will become clear”
Russia is a rich country, it can spend a dozen blanks on the destruction of one goal. But the Americans know how to count. In addition, if the target is dangerous, it is better to put it down with the first shot.

[tracer]

Will you put the battleship with a shell? Hmm .. yeah ..

[eklmn]

And the battleship will allow him to approach the distance of the shot? Hmm .. yeah ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tracer

Will you put the battleship with a shell? Yeah ... yes

To be honest, it is impossible to destroy a battleship from a cannon. And the strength is not enough, and there are only 4 US battleships "Iowa", "New Jersey", "Missouri" and "Wisconsin", but they are all museums now. So you won't have to lay down the artillery on battleships, let alone lay them down. The time of battleships is gone, just as the time of the sail era has left, leaving us a memory "Here the Cutty Sark is preserved as a monument of its time, as a tribute to the people and ships of the sail era." Time is running out, some ships die, others are born. Just as soon, artillery in the world's fleets will disappear into oblivion. (Excluding Coast Guard).

[BARHAN]

This year I saw in St. Petersburg, the battleship "Poltava")))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: BARHAN

This year I saw in St. Petersburg, the battleship "Poltava"

It's just a "remake" though nice to look at.

[tracer]

You're damn right a thousand times right. The time of artillery in the navy is running out, if it is not gone at all. My opinion at this level is not at all expert. It's just logical, due to the rapid growth of missile weapons. Just like super long-range sniper rifles lose their meaning. Without answering the main question - the fig? There are already systems that are orders of magnitude more powerful. It's the same with aryleria. Discussing the power of the "pistol" against a tank shot.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tracer

Discussing the power of the "pistol" against a tank shot.

Here I am talking about too. One must look at things realistically, progress, just like life moves only forward.

[kventinasd]

Quote: eklmn

But the Americans know how to count. In addition, if the target is dangerous, it is better to put it down with the first shot.

Well, judging by the launches of cruise missiles in Syria, where most did not even reach their targets, the Americans are very prudent.

[eklmn]

A lot of minuses? So something didn’t say so. I'll fix it now.
I ask instead of the phrase “Russia is a rich country, ...”
read “Russia is a poor country ...”

[Maverick78]

For example, I think that it is incorrect to compare 127 and 76 mm)

[mister-red]

And what do they compare with the AK-130, which is fired by 60 130 mm shells per minute?

[clidon]

They wrote it from the "most modern" AK-176. Not to compare with the ancient AK-130, which, although it shoots a little further, is outdated like a mammoth tusk and is not installed on new ships. And I will build them in, it remains to count on the fingers.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: clidon

They wrote it from the "most modern" AK-176. Not to compare with the ancient AK-130

Duc, they have 1 year difference in age ...

[clidon]

Obviously, I mean the latest modifications of this weapon AK-176MA

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: clidon

Obviously, I mean the latest modifications of this weapon AK-176MA

I’m embarrassed to ask, what is there besides the fire control system (LMS) of the new, relative to the AK-176?
To develop a new SLA for the AK-130 is not a problem.

[clidon]

And what is not enough? Are we producing other artillery systems?
Not a problem for anyone? And most importantly, why should they be in the fleet with a gulkin nose. Rather, they will be replaced by 176, which will be tormented.

[Vladimir_2U]

I ride naturally under the table! Compare 127 mm and 76,2 mm guns !!! Epic, but what was not compared with Kalashnikov, how did you miss this opportunity? Will you find a picture of Lavrov yourself?

[Prisoner]

Do not tell, otherwise the next time they will begin to compare with the Russian 10-pound unicorn.

[Bykov.]

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

So they would compare the Russian shells with the Amregad shells, otherwise they would compare the p-ndos ARS with the usual Russian artillery shell. What cunning comparators.

[Zhan]

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

And who told you that someone’s weapon is better or worse? For this caliber, a distance of 50 km, only an active rocket projectile. And the regular one is 15 km
Now compare the Caliber 76mm and 129mm ... and the standard distance for both systems is the same, however.

[malyvalv]

Not the fact that it is reactive. Maybe they just attached wings since GPS control is present.
It would be nice to have such in the arsenal.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: malyvalv

Maybe they just attached wings since GPS control is present.

I heard about the wings somewhere, when they said "Can you imagine Luzhkov with wings?"

[abrakadabre]

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

Why are 127 and 76 mm caliber systems designed for completely different purposes? Still with Kalash compared.
Moreover, a conventional unguided munition is compared with an active-reactive munition. In the same article, it is indicated that with an ordinary shell the American babakh is firing at ... tadaaaaam ... some 15-16 km, which is no different from our artillery gun.

[Katanikotael]

different, it is written there - low accuracy leading to cost overruns.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: abrakadabre

And why are the caliber systems 127 and 76 mm compared

That's why they compare, if you compare with the 130mm AK-130, then with an ordinary projectile the American firing range is one and a half times lower than ours.
What is even surprising, in land artillery on the samples in service with armaments the opposite is true.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Iskander of Alexandria

in vain you are so! Russian is the best! And everything else can not be compared with fast-paced developments!

I am already a bit old, and I remember when they said that during the Patriotic War the Germans had the best equipment, and MP-40, MG-34 and Messerschmidt and Tiger and even Panzerfaust, not to mention the ersatz cigarettes against ours. " Morshansk "makhorka. And that's why Egorov and Kantaria raised the Victory flag over the Reichstag. Here I sit and think "Morshanskaya" makhorka with a Russian soldier won, or Soviet technology? Can you tell me?

[Leonid Anatolevich]

It’s an honor to show off the flag.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leonid Anatolievich

It’s an honor to show off the flag.

The Soviet flag is an honor for me, under it my father went through three wars, and I gave him the oath, and I also fought for it. And for you, someone else's flag can be more respected. But I am Russian, Soviet and for me the flag is a great honor.

[Leonid Anatolevich]

Flag over Berlin - a symbol of the defeat of the USSR in the war against fascism

[Horon]

Instead of a shell, a missile with a control and orientation unit was inserted into the barrel, but how much space would there be for warheads? If this shell gets into a martyr’s mobile, then yes, an effective thing. And firing at a fortified position will be expensive. Until they manage to do serious damage, a packet of conventional missiles will arrive in response, with fatal consequences for the carrier of this weapon! Therefore, apparently, the Americans themselves gave such an assessment:

During the last test, a satisfactory result was announced.

This weapon is more likely for special operations, but not for conducting serious military operations.

[aleksandroff]

and if the GPS shuts down, what will be the range and accuracy?

[michaelruss]

There is nothing outstanding about launching a missile through the barrel. Well, nothing at all. It was still decided and implemented on Soviet tanks.
And the most interesting thing is that this invention is worthless for ships (on new destroyers of the Zumwalt type, they refused it, and again they gave birth to the old one). At this range you can’t use it against the ship as it’s a moving target, and guidance on DPS is most likely will be drowned out. Yes, and it is unlikely to come to the use of these systems in naval combat, since at much greater distances all friend-friend crumble into a salad of missiles.

[asr55]

yes the best is undoubtedly not available to pots

[ydjin]

Crash_117
26 November 2019 02: 31
-49
Quote: olhon
I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

As if I consider it incorrect to compare the range of 127 caliber with 76 caliber.

[Alexander Petrov1]

It's okay, on the new Coalition, 152 mm shells hit up to 70 km, so you can put it on the new Leader or on Nakhimov or make a smaller caliber 130 mm on it on Gorshkov, so there will be a direct competitor to the US cannon ...

[Galleon]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Nothing wrong

It has long been known which category of people is not afraid of anything.
In Soviet times, work was underway to replace the AK-130 ship gun mount with a more powerful 152mm caliber. At the test site, after the first salvo, the tower with 152mm was said to have been turned out of the foundation. Do you understand the difference between the "Coalition" and the naval gun turret? Can you imagine the difference in load distribution during recoil on individual damping units and elements? There is nothing to shrink, nowhere to go.
This is how it is.

[Alexander Petrov1]

I understand that this is a very responsible and knowledge-intensive business, but you probably read that there are such plans to put a 152 mm gun on the Leader, and there you can make a long-range projectile under the Gorshkovskaya gun 130 mm ...

[Galleon]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

and there you can make a long-range projectile under the Gorshkovskaya gun 130 mm ...

The usual 130-mm projectile destroyer threw 25 km, long-range ... I'm not sure that it can be thrust into the unitary cartridge of the installation, although, why not. It is a pity that such a technique is not in demand right now: 90 piglets per minute from the tower - it sounds proudly, and jolts through the body like a beat of a heart
Put on the future "Leader", which does not exist, an artillery mount that does not exist ... I read it, but did not attach any importance.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Well, I think if the Americans did, then ours should, especially now we don’t have to complain about the lack of funding like 90 years ...

[bairat]

What for? It is impossible in all to be ahead of the rest. Especially with our military budget.

[Alexander Petrov1]

It may be the first, if only for its own safety and multibillion export ...

[bairat]

Well, what safety will this miracle-gun shooting at 50 km provide for us? In modern combat, everything is decided by anti-ship missiles, air defense and electronic warfare. And this cannon can only be cleaned from the shore.

[Alexander Petrov1]

The main thing is not to lag behind competitors, if only because of export ...

[Alien From]

The main thing is to control our financing, and not to throw the whole amount at once .... otherwise it will be like with the East ....

[Alexander Petrov1]

It is necessary that one person does not decide where and when to transfer huge money, but decide publicly in the company and Moscow is aware of it via the Internet, then there will be no multi-billion dollar embezzlement, and it is also necessary to return Capital punishment as in the USSR it is now life imprisonment for those who steals more than 1 million rubles, and I bet then 90 percent of the "comrades of Kaznokrads" will calm down, because it will not be profitable for them to steal, it will be easier to go into an honest business and earn, like in the USA, 1 million rubles, and maybe even dollars .. ...

[Dimon19661]

And such calibers as 381,406mm on the ships did not stand ???

[Galleon]

They stood. And they stood larger, on the Yamato, for example. But how many tons can you and decide to weight the hull for the sake of installing such a weapon? By how much will the power of the main power plant and the displacement of the ship increase due to this weighting? Perhaps you did not understand: the AK-130 gun mount (2 barrels 130mm each) had the maximum possible power for long-term operation on destroyers 956, pr. A 152mm ... plafonds torn off and broken during volleys.

[Dimon19661]

But you know, I didn’t hear the tales, I was just the guaranteeman of the MP-123 VYMPEL, and often intersected with the guys involved in the Lions (AK-130 control station). In the 68s, the bulbs really burst by the way. and from weapons too.

[basmach]

Oh, what about all the battleships and cruisers of the beginning and middle of the last century with their gun mounts?

[Galleon]

Ships have changed, basmach. see above.

[cormorant]

Imagine the difference in load distribution when returning to individual damping nodes and elements? Nothing to shrink, nowhere to move.
This is how it is.

How, then, the guns fired on the battleship Yamato almost 80 years ago. But there was the main caliber of 460 mm. By the way, this caliber is not the largest for those times.

[Galleon]

Cormorant, want a simpler example? So we filed an application for art warehouses to install on the wings of the signal bridge with a machine gun as a weapon of last chance (against anti-ship missiles). In the 80s, it was practiced in the Navy. And they handed us 2 KPVT to keep up. So they stayed with us for 2 years in the arsenal until they turned in: a light alloy bridge - it breaks a light bulwark and rips that KPVT from the first stage. A PKK would suit us well.

[cormorant]

I understand everything, but there are design bureaus for this. And the gun will not be delivered from Yamato.

[de_monSher]

At the test site after the first salvo, a tower with 152mm, they say, was twisted from the foundation.

The coalition, it seems, is being installed on the T-90 chassis for now. And nothing seems to "turn out from the foundation" and "does not tear the dampers." And if the self-propelled chassis "holds" the coalition, then what are your words about then, about the "folded fucking foundation" then? *))))

[JD1979]

Quote: de_monSher

The coalition, it seems, is being installed on the T-90 chassis for now. And nothing seems to "turn out from the foundation" and "does not tear the dampers." And if the self-propelled chassis "holds" the coalition, then what are your words about then, about the "folded fucking foundation" then? *))))

And about the fact that some do not understand the difference between land artillery, which can safely throw off returns to the ground through the chassis or bed and the sea, where everything that is not extinguished by dampers goes to the hull. And for large calibers it is necessary not only to recalculate the power set of the case a little less than completely, but also the alloys most likely to use others.

[Galleon]

Thank you, Dmitry!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: JD1979

And about the fact that some do not understand the difference between land artillery, which can safely throw off returns to the ground through the chassis or beds

Well, yes, yes ... the hull and the self-propelled gun are much stronger than the frigate’s hull. And reinforcements under the gun on land equipment (weighing no more than 60 tons and dimensions no more than railway) are undoubtedly much easier to do than on a ship of 5000 tons.
And as soon as the Germans put towers with 6 "on the destroyers?

[de_monSher]

which can safely throw off returns to the ground through the chassis or bed and the sea, where everything that has not been extinguished by dampers goes to the body.

Emmmmmmm ... You are smart, my friend. Even - too clever, one might say, slightly. And now, out of sheer stubbornness, wisdom further, it seems to me. And what, through the hull of the ship, "the recoil is not thrown off" into the same elastic medium, with a lower viscosity than the "lithosphere", called "hydrosphere"? = I also got infected from you - I'm wise = ... *))))

[JD1979]

Quote: de_monSher

Ummmmmmm ... You are wise, my friend. Even - they were too smart, one might say, a little. And now, out of sheer stubbornness, make further wisdom, it seems to me.

Physics ... no, not heard ...

[de_monSher]

Physics ... no, not heard ...

Nope ... did not hear ...

[boriz]

Listen to you, as ships never set trunks with caliber more than 130mm. And 460mm on Yamato?

[faridg7]

Well, you compared ...
Yamato had a main caliber of 460mm, but also a displacement of more than 72000 tons.
And for example, the frigate pr.22350 displacement of 5400 tons.
Well, where is 130 mm? Yes, and why? at distances of over 20 km, all tasks can be solved with missile weapons.

[boriz]

You wrote about a cannon twisted from the foundation. What does the displacement have to do with it?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Galleon

In Soviet times, work was underway to replace the AK-130 naval gun mount with a more powerful 152mm caliber. At the test site after the first salvo, a tower with 152mm, they say, was twisted from the foundation.

EMNIP, the 152-mm caliber was hacked to death by the naval forces themselves - they needed a universal gun. And 6 "with the ability to fire at planes and URO came out too monstrous.

[mister-red]

Well, somehow, after all, they put it before and 380mm and even 420

[Alexey-74]

Quite right, especially since our design bureaus are able to "spoil" the ground equipment.

[Galleon]

Quote: Alexey-74

our design bureaus are able to "spoil" the ground equipment.

Yes, remember only how the S-300 was wetted. so messed up that a special commission of the CPSU Central Committee dealt with this. And how they repaired the REB MP-407 station, taken from aviation. So we messed up that its output blocks had a resource of no more than 4 hours of operation. 4 HOURS. 2 pcs. drove in the spare parts, although one put.

[Bykov.]

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

Yes, this is not a shell, but in fact - a rocket. He has an active jet engine. Hence, such an effective range.

[Prisoner]

I believe in 50%. In terms of low accuracy.

[novel66]

you shoot further - less often you get ..

[Serg65]

Well, it depends on what you shoot.
Great!

[novel66]

one fig - you can’t deceive physics! healthy marine guerrillas

[Serg65]

for every physics, there is its own chemistry!

[Private-K]

Modern naval artillery 57-127 mm traces its history to the universal artillery of the WWII period. The point is to have a gun capable of firing at both surface and anti-aircraft targets.
For modern naval artillery, the task of firing at ground targets is almost not set. The reason is simple - too low efficiency due to small calibers (76-100-127 mm) and very small numbers (1, very rarely 2 gun mounts per ship).
Why would an American ship need a shell with a 40-50 km range? Yes, the Americans want, thus, to replace the short-range anti-ship missiles! But this is an obvious drank of the budget dough, because the accuracy of shooting is completely insufficient for a small-sized maneuvering target. In order for at least one shell to hit a frigate-class ship, it is necessary to dump several dozen of these "Excaliburs", moreover, in 1-2 minutes. No, the anti-ship missile system is much more reliable and cheaper, oddly enough. For how much does Excalibur cost? About the same.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Private-K

Why does an American ship need a shell with a 40-50 km range?

Zumwalt planned to shoot from long-range guns along the shore.

[Private-K]

How many zumwalt 127 mm trunks? One? Two? How many batteries are these? How many field artillery divisions are these? Not a single division. It doesn't even reach one battery. (Here we recall what forces of the same artillery ships did the Americans concentrate when the sea landing ... )
Well, that’s all you need to know about the potential effectiveness of zumwalt along the coast.

Threat For shelling the coast, you need specialized missile-artillery ships with at least a battery of automated 152-mm guns, with multi-barrel MLRS launchers, with launchers for SLCMs, UAVs for reconnaissance and adjustment. No one has it.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Private-K

How many zumwalt 127 mm trunks? One? Two?

155mm guns were planned at Zumwalt.

Quote: Private-K

Well, that’s all you need to know about the potential effectiveness of zumwalt along the coast.

The potential efficiency of a land battery along the coast is zero. Because the land battery cannot shoot from the sea.

[Private-K]

155mm guns were planned at Zumwalt.

Anyway, this would not have done the weather - an absolutely insufficient number of trunks.

The potential efficiency of a land battery along the coast is zero. Because the land battery cannot shoot from the sea.

In order for artillery to achieve the desired effect, there should be: many barrels firing a certain number of shells per unit of time. To hit targets, you need HUNDRED shells produced by TENS trunks. That's clearer?
And, by the way, ground guns were not infrequently placed on ship decks. Just because of the lack of normal naval artillery.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Private-K

In order for artillery to achieve the desired effect

And what effect is needed? Are you going to carry out artillery preparation on the Kursk Bulge with the help of a destroyer?

Quote: Private-K

To hit targets, you need HUNDRED shells produced by TENS trunks. That's clearer?

No. How many targets are you going to hit, how many shells are you going to use for one target, and why exactly so many?

[Private-K]

From the very beginning, I suggested looking at what kind of artillery ship support was provided during the WWII.
Look at the normative tables for user agents.
Take a look. Enlighten yourself and do not defend a knowingly losing, albeit "politically verified" (tm) position.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Private-K

From the very beginning, I suggested looking at what kind of artillery ship support was provided during the WWII.

Since then, guided weapons have been created.

Quote: Private-K

Look at the normative tables for user agents.

Give me a link.

[Private-K]

Rules for shooting and fire control https://studfile.net/preview/6726022/page:73/
Amers - about the same thing.
De facto, Zummwalt is only capable of raiding and sabotage operations with the defeat of a very small number of stationary (with a predetermined unchanged location and previously explored) unprotected targets.

[Good_Anonymous]

Thanks. Take, for example, a radar station located openly: for suppression, 200 rounds of 122mm caliber (unguided) are required. I have not seen a radar station, for the destruction (not even suppression) of which more than 2 shells would be needed (we do not take Don-2M). Let's say you need 4 guided projectiles to suppress - then each of them can cost 50 times more than a regular unguided one. Data on 122mm projectiles are not available quickly, but the network says that one 155mm unguided projectile costs $ 2.5 thousand, controlled by Excalibur is $ 68 thousand - i.e. the difference is "only" 27 times.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I don’t believe (c) ..... what did you look in the mirror? The fact is not that they are sniffing at such a distance, this has already happened, the Germans also snagged 180 km, and Saddam had "big Babylon". and what's the point, so playing in the sandbox, there is nothing sensible from this, you don't need to shoot a lot of minds in the huts from afar

[Technical engineer]

And in vain, a miserable 127 mm gun with a range of 16 km (and therefore a miserable, Soviet 130 mm AK-130 had a range of 23 km, as they say, feel the difference) compared with a 76 mm gun. Already a catch and juggling. Well, about 48 km with an active rocket. Nothing beyond. Just a significant mass of the projectile falls on the engine. Probably the power of the remaining one corresponds to 76 mm. Now the question. What can be sunk in 76mm caliber? In fact, nothing. But you can damage and disable a missile boat. Is it true that getting into it even with zhps at such a range is problematic, and what's the point ???

[your1970]

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

too ... into this:
"The new modification fires at a distance of 15 km with a rate of fire 124 (!!!!!) mine shotsthat. "
Her out machine-gun did what?

[Evil Booth]

I guarantee! a projectile is more expensive than a missile of a similar range, from real targets the current projectile has a budget

[ddmm09]

This bird is a bald eagle. Eagles don’t eat, but this eagle eats whatever it gets.

[Bykov.]

Quote: ddmm09

This bird is a bald eagle. Eagles don’t eat, but this eagle eats whatever it gets.

Scavenger, as short as a crow.

[Private-K]

In profile - like an eagle. But in full view - kretinos.

[kot423]

America ahead).

The super-super high-tech answer of the "exceptional Ggmon" to the hyper-speed Zircon. As always, mattresses are ahead of the rest!

[Crash_117]

Quote: kot423

America ahead).

The super-super high-tech answer of the "exceptional Ggmon" to the hyper-speed Zircon. As always, mattresses are ahead of the rest!

And again this zircon, no one saw him, but he is.

[kot423]

Oke, a dagger won't work either?

[Crash_117]

There is a dagger. And what from this?

[kot423]

And what from this fart at 48km? Che, BAE sawed the loot, when back in 12g LRAP was promised for the same cannon at 90 + km, and now, like in the city, they dropped it - at least 48, but soooo propiar, everyone will take by analogy with the "Patriot" sieve, which, even with a surcharge from mattresses, no one wants to take, having watched its work from the Saudis and listened to the hum of mattresses after this incident

[Crash_117]

Update the training manual and the mat part of the school, for which Patriot is responsible for a start. And then I can say by your logic that I didn’t bring down a single target in Syria with 400. But I have enough intelligence to not say this, since I know what layered air defense is.

[kot423]

since I know what layered air defense is.

It is a masterpiece! Those. you are in the courses, and Secretary of State (which he took advice from the Pentagon) - no, that's why he chewed snot, making excuses It seems that NORAD is completely rotten, and there are Russian spies with the name Dmitry and nickname Crash_117, because it’s not without reason that he knows best

[Crash_117]

On the topic, will you answer that yourself, or will you continue to mock? Namely, what lines is Patriot responsible for?

[kot423]

And what does not suit you? That my conversation doesn’t succeed in diverting the conversation from the topic of the article to the side (picture with chicken, layered pro, etc.)? So I gave advice below where to complain

[Crash_117]

Will you answer a simple question or not? What milestones does the Patriot missile system meet?

[kot423]

Better write a message. It’s not interesting with a clown whose job is to stupidly flood the topic on third-party conversations, to communicate
PS do not forget to write about my sink, at least somehow in your own eyes rise above the baseboard!

[Crash_117]

As it was necessary to prove, your entire level of knowledge is limited to a video from YouTube. Adies.

[JD1979]

Quote: Crash_117

Will you answer a simple question or not? What milestones does the Patriot missile system meet?

He won’t answer, he couldn’t do anything except hoax and clowning, stupid flood, hackneyed urapatriotic jokes for 100 and a bunch of emoticons - a generation of instagram ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: Crash_117

On the topic, will you answer that yourself, or will you continue to mock? Namely, what lines is Patriot responsible for?

Yes, here it turned out to be a nadis that it is no longer responsible for any lines. Spilled polymers. Sorry, not polymers, but hydrocarbons in CA. Yeah.

[Crash_117]

A question for backfilling, and to you, for what lines is the Patriot air defense system responsible? Is populism and water so hard to answer?

[YakimovSS]

Perhaps you yourself will answer this question?
And then every time this complex is very needed in business, it turns out that again the targets were not from its echelon, but from other echelons and was not planned in defense. This is not only the Saud will tell. Not long before that, something from Korea flew over Japan at the wrong echelon. And when finally (even earlier stages) something flew in the right direction and at the right echelons and the Patriot worked, the "fragments" of this successfully flew to the mattress base and there were human casualties.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

for which milestones does the Patriot missile system meet? ..... and it depends on which BLOCK, for example, Rayton completely spioned the Soviet missile H48 of the S-300 PMU complex for the Patriot BLOCK 3, you can’t tell her god, the only one is up to H48 speed of 3000 meters per second almost doubled, and nothing

[Prisoner]

Your advice would be yes to your ears. To update your training manuals weakly?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: kot423

Che, BAE sawed the loot, when back in 12g LRAP was promised for the same gun at 90 + km

LRLAP did, for those very 90+. Now here is another shell made, not BAE, and cheaper.

[Crash_117]

By the way, the question is off topic, why Americans can be abused, on this site, this is so to say, and what can you say to the Russian nation so immediately in the ban? What are double standards?

[kot423]

Urgent dispatch to mattresses - they behave unpatriotic in VO in relation to "Ggmon", another bag of sanctions!

[WILL]

Quote: Crash_117

By the way, the question is off topic, why Americans can be abused, on this site, this is so to say, and what can you say to the Russian nation so immediately in the ban? What are double standards?

You are an American? Or so ... for the idea of ​​$ work?

[Crash_117]

I just asked. Can anyone answer this question intelligibly?

[PROXOR]

What you sow, you will reap. This is not a diplomatic relationship and people regard striped people by their actions and behavior. And even more so they don’t choose expressions to say what they think (within the rules of this site).
I think you are unlikely to be respectful of your neighbor when he deserves good to have his face stuffed.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Crash_117

By the way, the question is off topic, why Americans can be abused, on this site, this is so to say, and what can you say to the Russian nation so immediately in the ban? What are double standards?

Firstly, the Oscar, which you somehow clumsily mention, has nothing to do with it.
Secondly, the Americans, as you yourself have shown, but have not noticed, are stupid, and there are also quite reasonable.
Thirdly, it is really unreasonable to compare the 76-mm ammunition with the 127-mm ammunition neither in terms of power, nor in range, nor in the air-to-air ratio, and is not reasonable for anything. Those. simply stupid. What we are in the article and can observe.
Fourthly, about the picture you posted with a sparrow. Yes, it is not prohibited. But a cultured person differs from his wild brother, not intelligent, in that he observes the rules of decency, guided by the most effective law - conscience. In a wild man, the conscience knocks, beats in the skull in search of his master of reason, but not finding him falls asleep. And then the wild, arrogant and ugly "and what is it?" The one that can capture the mind of even an airport worker from my beloved republic.

[novel66]

this is a Russian site ... on mattresses, mabut, in another way

[SovAr238A]

Quote: novel xnumx

this is a Russian site ... on mattresses, mabut, in another way

with servers in Germany.

With a huge number of supposedly urya-patriots, whose task is to further divide between ordinary residents and their everyday realities. and shouts of Urya-urya and throwing bonnets.
the site is very actively fueled by money and it has a paid entry and a paid account in Zen.
To expand the readership.

And even more masses of people spoil the nerves and make them dissatisfied with the state and government.

Those. site. hiding behind a supposedly military-patriotic theme is actually anti-Russian.
Anti-state.

These are really subtle Internet technologies.
Anyone who has been doing this and after a few years staying on the site sees everything quite transparently.

so the site is actually anti-Russian.

[asv363]

Quote: SovAr238A

And even more masses of people spoil the nerves and make them dissatisfied with the state and government. site. hiding behind a supposedly military-patriotic theme, it’s actually anti-Russian. It’s anti-state. These are really subtle Internet technologies. Those who did this and after a few years on the site see everything quite transparently. So the site is actually anti-Russian.

No, news / articles are usually neutral. But there are participants who comment only on politota. And they don’t see the coast. But you are also wrong, answered above. And in general, they do not climb into a strange monastery with their own charter.

[Vogel]

Twitter out for good news from Russia stupidly bans, why so distracted? Spit on those mattresses.

[YOUR]

As you can see, not everyone understood your sarcasm.

[WILL]

Well, now the only thing left for the Mattresses is to build - an Armadillo!
On the topic, how much is 1 such snail? What is its advantage over short-range missiles? And where will he fly with the active counteraction of electronic warfare, having lost the GPS signal?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: ANIMAL

On the topic, how much is 1 such snail?

Vicki says Excalibur Ib (155mm) costs $ 68k. Excalibur N5 has less caliber, but 70% of the common parts, so it’s probably about the same.

[Avior]

155 mm shell for Zamvolt reached 800 thousand.
The price drops as the volume of output. This one fell from 260 thousand to 68 for the 155 mm version

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Avior

155 mm shell for Zamvolt reached 800 thousand.

It was a unique projectile for a unique gun.

Quote: Avior

This one fell from 260 thousand to 68 for the 155 mm version

Well, that is, a shell for AGS initially cost 3 times more

[Avior]

Different firms did.
Therefore, for weapons of the same caliber, they tried to make different shells, their fleet, their army.
Now combined, it turned out much cheaper.
Here and there they write that naval versions also have laser guidance

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Avior

Therefore, for weapons of the same caliber, they tried to make different shells

As far as I understand, the problem was the uniqueness of AGS. Under it, they tried unsuccessfully to adapt Excalibur.

[Avior]

I didn’t hear that they tried.
Lockheed Martin did not make his projectile based on Excalibur developed by Raytheon.
Although it was logical to unify them as much as possible.
in size for Zamvolt it was even simpler, especially since it was squeezed into even 127 mm.

[Good_Anonymous]

Tried: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24310/zumwalt-destroyer-excalibur-ammunition/

[Avior]

it later.
if they were originally made on the basis of escalibur, the price would have been much lower.
and why "unsuccessfully"?

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Avior

if they were originally made on the basis of escalibur, the price would have been much lower.

Initially, a new gun was made there. They could not adapt Excalibur to it (or could not do it at reasonable costs, I do not know).

[Avior]

and did not try.
different companies did.
and the fleet, by tradition, wanted to have nothing to do with the land hunters.
and when the new shell turned out to be of overwhelming value, they began to adapt Exalibur for these purposes.
127 mm has already broken, let's see what they will do with 155 mm.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Avior

and did not try.

They included refurbishment money in the budget. I think that before that, at least a feasibility study was conducted.

Quote: Avior

different companies did.

So what? One did not succeed - the next applicant, please.

Quote: Avior

and the fleet, by tradition, wanted to have nothing to do with the land hunters.

Just the fleet asked for money to transfer AGS to Excalibur.

[Avior]

the fleet traditionally makes for itself even the weapons and ammunition that can be unified with the land hunters.
and switched to Excalibur, after it became clear that no one would buy a shell from Lockheed Martin at an exorbitant price.
but a lot of money was spent on development.
Now they want the adaptation of Excalibur, otherwise the gun without a shell will remain at all.

[novel66]

and here it is not necessary here !! how rockets run out - art will go, and there is not far to boarding

[Serg65]

and partisans ... do not forget the partisans!

[novel66]

sea ​​partisans ??? did not hear ...

[Serg65]

Yes, no, I heard ..... some misunderstand the pirates call them!

[novel66]

privateers, if we are talking about the war

[Serg65]

privateers are pirates in the service of the state for money and without pirate romance ...

[Mouse]

then maybe filibusters?

[Serg65]

Well, you can!

[Mouse]

to complete the picture and corsairs worth mentioning!

[Serg65]

pirates, they are also pirates in Africa, even though they call them basmachi

[Mouse]

the essence is one, with some nuances ....

[novel66]

Ushkuynikov forgot

[Okolotochny]

This is all a disguise, they are really Kyrgyz.

[Souchastnik]

sea ​​partisans ??? did not hear ...

On inflatable boats and boats. almost like airplane partisans

[Hoist]

What about installing the A-192M. It has not yet been adopted, or is it less modern than the AK-176MA?

[Avior]

It is more logical to compare with A 192.
True, I did not hear that for her there was a guided projectile with a range of 50 km.

[Avior]

Redid from 155 mm to 127 mm, a robust approach, the fleet began to count the money, took the shell from the land explorers.
It is simply not clear why they compared it with a 76 mm gun.

[Nikolaevich I]

I’m not catching up with something! Is it so customary now, to compare 127 mm (!) (And take a 155 mm caliber ...!) Artillery system with 76 mm artillery system ?? In the Russian Navy, 130-mm and 100-mm artillery mounts disappeared "finally and irrevocably"? (In response to the insidious intentions of the Americans, who planned to introduce 155-mm and even 203-mm artillery systems on their ships, the USSR considered projects to create 152-mm and 203-mm ship artillery mounts .. .)

[Avior]

The new projectile was made out of 155 mm of a universal cannon shell.
The fleet ended up doing stupid things with LRLAP for Zamoltov at an unbearable price.

[avdkrd]

127mm compare with 76mm. Enchanting representative of Raytheon ...
Just fabulous ... well, you get the point.
We need to tell him that 30mm Russian guns have a shorter range and he could boast a 15-fold advantage.

[YOUR]

Somehow, it is difficult to believe that in modern naval combat, ships will converge in an artillery duel.
And according to the experience of past wars, no more than 1-3% of the projectiles fired at the target. Covering was considered to be a gap or hit of a shell near the ship.
Now guns are more likely a tribute to tradition and the ability to destroy small targets such as a boat.

[Avior]

Laser-guided or jeepies-guided missiles for naval combat are not very good, but the Swedes seem to have radar-guided missiles

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: YOUR

Somehow, it is difficult to believe that in modern naval combat, ships will converge in an artillery duel.

Quote: YOUR

Now guns are more likely a tribute to tradition and the ability to destroy small targets such as a boat

Well, I don't want to discuss the possibility of artillery duels either ... but naval artillery is capable of more than "a tribute to tradition and the ability to destroy small boats ..." These are: 1. the ability to destroy "merchant" ships without spending anti-ship missiles ...; 2. fire support of the amphibious assault; 3.fire strike on port and coastal facilities. It would be nice to "cough up" the American experience in Vietnam (and maybe Lebanon to "capture" ...) in the use of battleships (or rather, large-caliber naval artillery ...) Or maybe even better to remember the Falklands! For example, here are some excerpts from the Falkland "mothers":1.Englishmen already note the significant role of naval artillery in this conflict, but only 114-mm guns of British frigates and destroyers fired. ; 2. For the artillery support of the landing, a battleship is not needed either - for this it is more than enough to equip one or two powerful 152-203-mm guns with sufficient ammunition for each of the British assault transports. One glance at the map suggests that the naval artillery system with a firing range of 25-30 km reliably covers any defensive positions of Guus Green, Darwin, Port Stanley ... Field reinforcements of the Argentines could not resist artillery of eight-inch caliber, but really serious fortified areas like a memorable "line Maginot ”was not there: 3. Naval fire support also played a significant role in the battles for the Falklands: more than 114 thousand shots were fired from only 8 mm guns; 4. Using paired contact trawls, the British without much difficulty destroyed minefields. Sliced ​​mines were shot by naval artillery. ; 5. An important and indispensable means of fire support in the naval landing operation was naval artillery. And so on and so forth...

[riwas]

Nowadays, to defeat ground targets, the focus is on "Caliber" and "Tomahawk". Although I think it is advisable to have a specialized ship to support the assault force armed with an adapted MLRS "Smerch".

[YOUR]

Clarify - Ground reconnaissance stationary targets.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: riwas

Nowadays, to defeat ground targets, the focus is on "Caliber" and "Tomahawk".

As the actor Kartsev said: "Yesterday there were crayfish for 5 rubles, and today for 3 rubles ...." In general, it is better when there are crayfish to choose from: and 5 rubles each. , and 3 p. ... it's worse when the ruble is dumb in your pocket! They also say: you need to stretch your legs over clothes. Not every target should be harassed with a tomahawk! Still, this is an expensive weapon ... And as comrade rightly noted. YOUR, "Tomahawks" and "Calibers" are good for "reconnoitered stationary" targets! Ship artillery, to a large extent, can be devoid of these "shortcomings" ...

Quote: riwas

it is advisable to have a specialized ship to support the landing force armed with the adapted MLRS "Smerch".

Here is your lo ... the idea is a little late! Firstly (1), there is in "nature" the shipborne MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" for arming amphibious assault and small artillery ships ... secondly (2), there was a message about the upcoming modernization of this MLRS ... thirdly ( 3): "At the" Start "the possibility of creating on the basis of the MLRS" Grad-M "(sea) with the MS-73M launcher - a universal launcher for missiles of various calibers and purposes" is being studied; in the fourth (4), there is a shipborne 140-mm MLRS A-22 (MS-227) "Fire" (there were rumors about a possible modernization of this system ...) PS On the pages of military-themed magazines, various authors proposed ideas for creating 220- mm and 300-mm ship-borne MLRS ... but the naval "top-ranks", for some reason, are skittish ... but point 3 does not exclude this possibility ..

[common man]

Quote: YOUR

Now guns are more likely a tribute to tradition and the ability to destroy small targets such as a boat.

Those. missile gets into a small boat, and misses into a larger vessel (ship)?
If the ship's CIUS can instantly process data from the radar and enter the coordinates in the projectile, it will turn out quite effectively.

[YOUR]

Do you know that the Earth has the shape of a ball?
You can calculate the target detection range yourself, in the search engine calculate the line of sight and then substitute only the numbers.
And this

Quote: man in the street

and enter the coordinates in the shell

Cool, excuse me for scamming. Where did you see such shells, but let's say there is, what to do if during this time the target moves a hundred meters.

[common man]

Quote: YOUR

Do you know that the Earth has the shape of a ball?

Well, what is not on three pillars, I know for sure. At 30 km take radar? And then thank God.

Quote: YOUR

Where did you see such shells

And how are they being programmed now? Are you entering coordinates on the shore? By connecting usb cable to PC. Just not special. Sorry.

[YOUR]

What shells? Could you name those.
The fact that the same Tomahawks are programming on the shore, so there is no programming on board the ship. In 2007, the Americans talked about how they achieved a breakthrough in this matter; now programming Ax takes only a day.
And what can be programmed in an artillery shell?
In the Kyrgyz Republic, it is clear that the flight altitude, the reference points of the course change, lay a map of the area, and what to program in the projectile. The height to which he will explode?

[Souchastnik]

Ax programming takes only XNUMX hours.

I apologize for my 5 cents. As far as I am aware - the last axes can be on duty in the air and receive healing in flight. If it’s a lie, then it’s not mine. But I think that is true.

[YOUR]

Quote: Souchastnik

But I think that is true.

This is because you have a poor idea of ​​what kind of information you need to enter into memory. This is not a team for a sniper, but bang that one in a shiny caftan.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: YOUR

And what can be programmed in an artillery shell?
In the Kyrgyz Republic, it is clear that the flight altitude, the reference points of the course change, lay a map of the area, and what to program in the projectile. The height to which he will explode?

Flight time (fuse timer) cocked at the muzzle ... on unguided shells.

The coordinates of the target. correction (up to retargeting) during the flight - already implemented in BAE in its version of the guided missiles MS-SGP (Multi Service-Standard Guided Projectile)

[YOUR]

Quote: SovAr238A

Flight time (fuse timer) cocked at the muzzle ... on unguided shells.

I wrote about this. Otherwise, do not overestimate real technology
https://topwar.ru/83681-obzor-artillerii-chast-6-boepripasy.html
read. Such shooting is possible, but only for stationary targets.

[common man]

Quote: YOUR

if during this time the target moves a hundred meters.

To do this, there are proxy shooting computers. A ship is not a plane, how many seconds does a projectile fly?

[YOUR]

There are those who set the lead point and aim the gun at this point, but what is shell programming?

[Yuriy_999]

Well, the initial somewhere 850 m / s. Let the whole way fly at this speed (actually not).
Minimum 50000/850 = 58 sec. Really think 1,5-2 minutes. Ship speed let 25 knots.
25 * 1800/60 = 750 meters per minute. Obviously not for moving targets. By the way, Vicki speaks about the CEL of Escalibur - 20 meters.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Yuri_999

е

I recommend reading ...

https://topwar.ru/109011-artilleriya-i-upravlyaemye-snaryady-krupnogo-kalibra.html

[Yuriy_999]

Read. AND...?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Yuri_999

ttps: //topwar.ru/109011-artilleriya-i-upravlyaemye-snaryady-krupnogo-kalibra.html

sorry. that they didn’t see ...

The BAE System company has proposed its single standard guided projectile MS-SGP (Multi Service-Standard Guided Projectile), which, however, was developed within the framework of common requirements, since this same projectile can be fired from 155 mm systems when equipped with a pallet. ...
The MS-SGP active-reactive ammunition is also equipped with a rocket engine, which underwent complex tests: when shooting from the Mk 45 gun, it allowed to hit the target at a distance of 36 km, while at a meeting angle with a target of 86 degrees the deviation was only 1,5 meters.

The MS-SGP projectile is equipped with a data channel that allows you to retarget the projectile in flight. A flight time of 70 km is about 3 minutes 15 seconds, which is enough to transfer from one target to another, the circular probable deviation (CVO) is estimated at 10 meters, although tests have shown that the average CVO is significantly less. [B] [/ b]

[Yuriy_999]

I read it.
Well, they give a KVO of 10 meters. Stating that they have achieved the best (at the training ground)
What does this projectile have to do with Excalibur? The truth in this article is written about the KVO for him, too, at 10 meters. Data on 20 meters in Wiki, to her and questions.
True, and I deeply doubt the submeter accuracy in real conditions.
And I consider shooting from 155 graph paper with a 127 mm shell the height of stupidity.
By the way, they also write that the warhead of a 155 mm shell weighs 16 kg.
At 152 mm OFS from 40 kg.

[Volga073]

Put a GPS jammer, and not a single shell hits the target)))

[rocket757]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Even to compare it makes no sense an expensive hybrid device, with a simple but reliable thing to that of another class.

[letinant]

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

We know physics and artillery science!

[pexotinec]

And how much will one shot cost?

[K-50]

The Mk45 Mod 4 gun acquired the ability to hit targets at a distance three times the range of the AK-176MA system, which is the most advanced artillery system available to the Russian Navy.

Well, we have better guns than the AK-176MA. For example, A-190 and A-192. In terms of range, of course, they are inferior to two times the declared 48 km of Raytheon.
But who said range is important? The main thing to get. Again, the guns now are mainly a means of air defense of the ship (one of the means). And why should he then GPS-guidance?
Against the coast, so our "Ball" and "Bastion" cover them 48 km, like a mosquito bull.

[Basarev]

And our caliber is miserable, and the range is poor, and there is no accuracy ... Russia definitely needs new artillery systems.

[Redfox3k]

What for? What tasks do the existing art systems not cope with? What are the challenges facing new art systems?

[aleksandrs95]

Such toys over time become a formidable weapon, but there is the opportunity to jam the satellite signal. Nevertheless, 3-4 shells can solve the problem for 30-40 km, for example, on land. Reaching $ 50 per shot, it’s cheaper than a rocket. True, the caliber should be 000mm, otherwise the explosives in such shells are much smaller. It is also necessary for us to deal with such topics, but wisely and without scattering resources like our opponents do.

[K-50]

Quote: aleksandrs95

3-4 shells can solve the problem for 30-40km, for example on land. Reaching $ 50 per shot, it’s cheaper than a rocket. True, the caliber should be 000mm, otherwise the explosives in such shells are much smaller.

And in response, it will fly from the "Coalition-SV" from a range of up to 70 km, with a high power of the projectile, because it is 152-mm caliber. Or coastal complexes will "say hello" for 300 km of range.
GPS is unambiguously jammed, and what can be solved with shells for half a hundred greenery? Jam fish? Or gophers on the shore to scare away, because there is nowhere else to get them.

[ZAV69]

Well, such a projectile will fall into the 3 dugout dugout. Does he even scare anyone?

[Stalnov I.P.]

Well, why lie, a caliber of 127 mm, we have a caliber of 130 mm, shoots more than 22 km with a conventional projectile, and if active-reactive, in the same range as the Americans. A 76 mm cannon is generally another artillery. How stupid and mediocre you need to be comparing the caliber 127 and 76, you sewed another 152 or 188 mm.

[seregatara1969]

But the price of one lope bullet?

[Rwmos]

Somewhere I heard this ... Oh yes!

Power and strength! And what, that only painted - it seems after all the truth! The truth is, he has nothing to shoot at the seas ... But by the way, they did something like that.
Author - shooting on the water - where? What artillery? Once again - as in the case of Zyama - SHORE! And with no bolt ship, you see a ship?
It’s just the defense minister from Reiteon’s office, not the ship’s art

[ZAV69]

On buzzards, the trunks are 130 mm, on the bpk 100 mm. 76 few remained. There is an inflating cheeks. Although if you compare the guns standing in the Iowa Museum, Missouri here will be even steeper result. And if you come up with their 406 mm stems controlled active projectile .......

[garri-lin]

It’s easier to slightly bore the barrel and buy calibers from Russia in the export version from Russia. The same result will be. (smiley)

[Dzafdet]

Nonsense! This is not just a shell, but a jet ...

[Sergey Eliseev]

For an accurate shot at 50 km, convolution guidance is required. However, the expansion will be several tens of meters. Ships do not stand still. And what's the point of scorching dozens of large-caliber shells, except to confuse the enemy. There are rockets for an accurate hit. However, they are expensive. So it’s more efficient to use a projectile or a rocket, choose only by the military.

[Evpator]

This channel that moved to America?

[Vogel]

And how can you compare 76 and 127 mm?
Tools of different weight categories.

[Bersaglieri]

ARS or with DGG?

[Nikolay Fedorov]

"Our American fur seal is 23 times cooler than the Russian chef !!! We are the coolest !!"
This is what the left roof of American experts looks like.

[awdrgy]

So in the near future there will be no railgun

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: malyvalv

Not the fact that it is reactive. Maybe they just attached wings since GPS control is present.
It would be nice to have such in the arsenal.

And will he flap his wings, increasing the flight distance?

[Incvizitor]

Why should they chase the Somali pirates with these shells? Such as ukroplot or Khryzunsky can be driven at close range. This is probably "Fashington's answer to the zircon"

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

American duck. Unih is hundreds of times worse. They cannot even make a normal automatic loader for a tank gun. Hamburgers they can do ane guns. They don’t have normal national food. They can’t. Steal someone else’s technology, yes.

[mmaxx]

ABOUT!!! And I understood why they compare 127 mm and 76. Because the sense of this long-range projectile is 127 mm as from 76 mm. That is, almost none.

[zenion]

From German battleships, at the same time, they shot at such a distance.

[Reserve buildbat]

That is what mattresses cannot be taken away from, so this is the ability to present any "it" as a candy. Advertisers don't care about realism, because they don't answer for words
And by the way, comparing 127mm caliber systems with 76mm systems is a "talent" of the highest standard. Let them compare with our 130mm guns. Here we will laugh

[eklmn]

From the text:
“According to a Raytheon spokesman, the Mk45 Mod 4 gun acquired the ability to hit targets at a distance three times the range of the AK-176MA system, ...”
Raytheon representative could say about increasing the distance of defeat, but he will not say ANYTHING about the Russian AK-176MA system, because him to the bulb that Russia has. These are just fantasies of the author of the article and, by the way, his own incorrect comparison.
Below is information about Excalibur N5.
“The Excalibur projectile is a high-precision weapon that strikes with a dispersion radius of less than 2 meters from the target. Unlike “near-precision” guidance systems, Excalibur weapons provide accurate first-shell effects at all distances in all weather conditions. This weapon system also extends the range of .39 caliber artillery to 40 km and .52 caliber artillery to more than 50 km. ”
“Using the precision level of the Excalibur shell, you can significantly reduce the time, cost, and logistical burden associated with other artillery ammunition. The analyzes showed that on average at least 10 conventional ammunition could be required to accomplish what one Excalibur weapon can do. ”
“Raytheon has developed a variant of the Excalibur Shaped Trajectory, or EST, which will allow soldiers to destroy targets in hard-to-reach spots, choosing the final angle of attack of the projectile. It successfully passed tests in 2018 and is currently deployed in the U.S. armed forces.
The company is also developing a version of a laser-guided projectile, Excalibur S. This option includes a digital semi-active laser finder, allowing it to hit moving targets and hit targets without accurate location information. It also reduces the risk associated with GPS interference. ”
By the way, the shell is used in the Army, Navy, and helicopters.

[Jcdenton]

Not everything is so simple, as the author writes:
This shell costs 85000 USD apiece, and according to the latest data it can reach 90-100 thousand forever green American money. Well, for them, apparently a penny. BUT then why did the MEGA WONDER Zumwalt irons remain without these guns and shells for them, although the expensive LRLAPs were offered the replacement of BAE Systems for 40000 USD at a range of 40 km? Apparently it turned out to be a little expensive even for the ov ... Yes, and at sea the tendency to abandon large-caliber artillery weapons in favor of missiles ...

[Archivist Vasya]

The caliber of the new ammunition is 127 mm

This is not serious for the fleet. So a few weather hits will not do. Downs should be set from 200 mm and above, as on battleships.

[SovAr238A]

I read a bunch of articles about marine excalibur ...

And nowhere - believe me, nowhere is there a single comparison with the AK-176MA.

News Authors - Do you want to be notified in court?

Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 13.15. Abuse of freedom of the media ...

200 thousand rubles to start the site does not want to pay?
False Edition ...
It's just that all the news is false, distorted.
really fake.

It's time to start the news authors to wet and his admins .... according to the laws of the Russian Federation.
Well, when do you learn to think with your head?

[Ryaruav]

al, admins are busy blocking true comments

[asv363]

Quote: SovAr238A

I read a bunch of articles about marine excalibur ... And nowhere - believe me, nowhere is there a single comparison with the AK-176MA. News authors - do you want to be notified in court? Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation Article 13.15. Abuse of freedom of the media ... doesn’t the site want to pay 200 thousand rubles to start? A deceitful publication ... It's just that all the news is false, distorted. It’s really fake. It's time to start the news authors to wet and its admins .... according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Well, when do you learn to think with your head?

I wrote to you above, you need to answer for defamation of the editorial board of VO. Your ignorance of the laws has ruined you. You want to sue me, an illiterate hamlo.

[Vkd dvk]

Coalition NE fires a special projectile at 70 km. I mean, active-reactive, as I understand it .... If so, it will be necessary, you can weld a little fluff from the Coalition. But, probably, this is not necessary. To bang the trough of the enemy for sure, faster and more reliable to send him greetings with other pieces of iron. More expensive? How to count.

[Taoist]

What kind of nonsense? First of all, with what fright are the 76 mm and 127 mm systems compared?
those. AK 130 doesn’t exist?
"Russian naval gun mount A-192M. The number of barrels - 1, caliber - 130 mm, firing range - up to 23 km, rate of fire - 30 rounds / min, ammunition - 60 rounds, cartridge weight - 52,8 kg," (with )
secondly, okay, they made an active rocket with him with a range of 50 km ... with correction for jeepies ... It’s clear that such shells can be fired only along the coast - for targets with known coordinates ... Well, so we have shells are not news ...
What is the point?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Taoist

What kind of nonsense?
What is the point?

The meaning is a lie ...
All lies in the text. as for the alleged comparison with Russian military equipment.
A technique that is incomparable and allegedly compared on behalf of the American side is specially selected.
thereby gaining a flurry of feedback from people. who are used to believing any lies.
Which, in principle, never read the source.
And who came running here, including for money.

thereby gaining a huge amount of feedback and views in Yandex.Zen.
Thus, this article is seen and read by those who, in principle, are on the drum. but a lot of people read everything.
thereby, Normal readers will immediately see inconsistencies in the article.
thereby, these very normal readers will read hundreds of completely stupid, out of the blue patriotic, chauvinist, anti-American, anti-Zionist and other hat-making posts - and m will just be unpleasant from what they read.
and then there will be another article similar and just as false, which will be "paid for" and introduced by a wave of "uryak" into the same Zen.

thus, over a certain amount of time, the attitude of the state is reformatted to the peoples. they see from the life around them. that the king is naked. Rather, on the contrary, the people are naked. and the king and his retinue - otherwise ...

Or do you think. that all color revolutions took place according to other scenarios?
Or a revolution in Kiev made a couple of hundred militants?
no, it was made by hundreds of thousands of dissatisfied with the authorities, who were prepared just like that on the exact contrast of real life on the one hand and ur-ur-patriotism on the other ...

[asv363]

Quote: SovAr238A

The meaning is a lie ...

Where is the evidence? Four times you blamed the publisher publicly and did not provide a single link.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: asv363

Quote: SovAr238A

The meaning is a lie ...

Where is the evidence? Four times you blamed the publisher publicly and did not provide a single link.

give a link to the words of the representative of Reiteon about the comparison with our 76mm guns ...
give. so that I could find it on the site of the reiteon ...

[asv363]

The composition of all paragraphs of Article 13.15. study for a start, and admit that there is nothing there that could refer to inaccurate or incomplete translation of advertising brochures and statements of persons, both officially representing foreign companies and foreign media.

Quote: SovAr238A

False Edition ...
Simple more news - unreliable, distorted.
really fake.

Explain why your words are a lie to the editorial board of VO? Or do you understand?

[Nikolai]

We have Krasnopol 152 mm, but there are no marine speakers 152 mm, 125 mm in operation with + GPS.
Raytion with Excalibur has sales problems - shells (+ programming equipment) at the price of gold, and that's trying to slip it wherever possible. And the effectiveness of guided and long-range shells is low - the number of explosives in the shell - the cat cried - hit, but did not destroy.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: hydrox

You, as a mariman, can certainly say that these new MARINE guns (along with shells!) As a weapon are NOT worth anything, because:
1. Stripes NEVER dare to approach our shores at a distance closer to the working distance of the Bastion.
2. In the event of declaring martial law, the distance of guaranteed defeat for naval targets of the enemy is increased by min to 1000 miles.
3. And what, some bastard really thinks that squadron naval battles are possible in our times ???
I wallow patstalom !!!!!!!!

For such an event, penguins have already imprisoned ukrov. They even brought boats for reinforcements. But they themselves will fart from them towards the natives of New Zealand. Just in case, moving away from the coast at this respectful distance. You never know what. God saves man, who save himself.

[Freedim]

If the projectile costs as much as a rocket, then you had to do something ...

[Ryaruav]

explain the shooting of a 127mm installation at 50km (30 miles) on a target with a course of 25 knots (46 km h) with an ordinary projectile it’s zero if it’s steep then it seems to me better

[Dima_Anlim]

To approach 10-15 km to the coast of some kind of Papua country and to hit it with this gun is a normal occupation. Against warships such as Russian-not a ride. Get the rocket on board.

[Lexxtech]

I don’t even understand why to compare the range of an active-reactive with homing (read missiles) 127 mm Excalibur with a 76 mm rapid-fire gun? Then it is necessary to compare it with "Caliber". 50 km and 2000 ...

[storm]

That's what you need to compare!
A-192M "Armat" In 2014, the first serial prototype of the unit was delivered for installation on the lead frigate of Project 22350
Gun caliber - 130 mm

Installation weight - 24000 kg
Shot mass - 52,8 kg
Projectile weight - 33,4 kg

Vertical guidance angles - from -12 to +75 degrees
Horizontal pointing angles - + -180 degrees

Target range:
- on sea targets - 23 km
- for air targets - 18 km
Rate of fire:
- up to 30 rds / min

Ammunition - 22 to 60 rounds

[kostik-oz]

And what about the magpie - they did not compare?

[Evil Booth]

Quote: Shuttle

it is unreasonable to compare the 76-mm ammunition with the 127-mm ammunition neither in terms of power, nor in range, nor in the KVO, nor is it reasonable for anything

but what is the meaning of our life ... to drive purguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu =)

[Ilya_Nsk]

What kind of miracles? 50 km ... Well, let's say there is a bottom pyrotechnic device - it’s unprecedented. Judging by the length of the barrel, the energy of the projectile is high, I agree. GPS guidance - so what? At sea, such shells are useless - the targets are moving. We have new 122mm projectiles for GRADs, also with GLONASS, and fly 40 km. Besides, why send a 76-mm projectile to 50 km? Again, it is very incorrect to compare artillery of such different - almost twice - calibers! Compare 152 and 155 mm, but not 76 and 127. There is no need to show idolatry here. I remember that for the notorious "Zamvolta" they promised 100 km. shells, but it turned out that there is no target that can hit such a shell and which would be more expensive than this shell!

[Kelwin]

Can not understand anything. so 15-16 or forty-eight point one? the accuracy is either low or high, well, if there is a “special navigation system”... bullshit.

[Dmitry Zverev]

It looks like the Americans have outplayed World of Warships.

[Oleg1]

We FSE will die, right? The Americans created this, what do the grey-legged quilted jackets do!
Experimental installation of the B-37 cannon in a single-barrel MP-10 test site, NIMAP test site, 1940.
History of production
Designed 1940
Country of origin: USSR
Years of production 1940-1941
Maximum firing range, m 45
Boo-ha-ha.
And for AFTOR the score is minus....

[Alex Nevsky]

Storytellers, just like they flew to the moon...

[Vladimir Lavin]

Sorry, but sometimes journalists V.O. write as in. agents and so much sarcasm! Why?

[sir_obs]

At the same time, low shooting accuracy is observed, leading to overuse of shells.

I remember for the Zumvolts they also boasted of a wunderwaffle that scatters shells over hundreds of kilometers. And where is she?

I’m not an artilleryman, but I remember from studying naval combat weapons that any gun can be fired further without changing the barrel, increasing the charge power or equipping the projectile itself with an active-reactive part. But the ammunition itself, no matter how it is modernized, will not radically improve the internal The ballistics of the barrel and the accuracy of the shot will only decrease with increasing distance if the flight of the projectile is not corrected.
Only the cost of such ammunition is not comparable to traditional ones (again, the story about the zoomvolt guns comes to mind)
That is why there is such a thing as effective firing range.

Another bike.

[Barack-hussein obama-ii]

I would generally recommend comparing it with the most modern Russian Abakan assault rifle. The effective range will not be two times higher. and forty-two times higher!

[Ttht]

Phahahaha!

Are you sure this is not about the game Wprld of Warships?

They increased the range of the guns! progress!!! Will the range of archers also increase?

The Americans seem to have their own Chubais)))

[Ttht]

Continue author-->author-->author! Burn with napalm!
In what other ways has the American defense industry surpassed Russia?
Has the musket's combat accuracy been increased?
Has the strength of the spear shaft been increased?
Has the armor become a kilogram lighter?
Or was the maximum mileage of a pack horse increased to 100 km?

[Grossvater]

Is it really so ?!
That means so!
The mass of a 5" projectile is 25 kg. Only an active-missile projectile will fly at such a distance. This means there is an engine and a guidance and control system. Half the mass is gone. How much is left?
12 kg.
The explosive mass is, well... 8%, okay, 10%. This means that the miracle gun will throw a little more than a kilo of TNT at a distance of 270 cables, because they have not yet learned how to shove 5" shells.
Oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid!

[Yon_Silent]

If they shot with this, then it’s definitely a “buyus”)) It’s not even a 155-mm chubby gun, but only 127. And this miracle-yudo without a seeker can only work on a stationary target on the shore. The maximum trouble is the possible presence of a special warhead with some kind of chemical agent.

[Vitaly Dorofeev_2]

It's strange to read this on Topwar. How can you compare the capabilities of artillery of such different calibers?

[wasba]

What the hell? Why do these Americans compare their 127 mm gun with the AK-176MA, 76 mm caliber? To be objective, then with relatively equal calibers it is necessary to compare with the AK-130 or A-192 systems, 130 mm caliber. Our systems can hit a range of 23 km with a conventional projectile, while a conventional shell can hit them with a range of 15-16 km. There is no data on how much our systems are hit by active-missile projectiles, such as their Excalibur. But I assume that it is comparable or even further than 50 km, given the initial superiority in range when firing a conventional projectile. So the amers have nothing to boast about.

[Freedim]

Why did the navy with its railgun land in a puddle at 100 km?.. Because at such a distance for more or less accurate shots, the gun needs to be mounted on a gyroplatform.. For a railgun weighing who knows how many tons, the problem turned out to be unsolvable at the moment. With a 50 km cannon, perhaps the situation will be simpler... but again, it needs to be stabilized, and on existing ships, modernization may take more than one year.... Again, the only reason to use a projectile instead of a rocket can only be the price. Will the installation of gyro platforms justify such savings?.. During shooting practice, definitely not. Where else in the modern world can you shoot from water at 50 km. without fear of getting hit by a rocket, history is silent.... F means greed.

[IL-64]

Did I understand correctly that the main thing is to shoot at 50 km, and not to hit the target?

[Klingon]

Quote: Bulls.

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

So they would compare the Russian shells with the Amregad shells, otherwise they would compare the p-ndos ARS with the usual Russian artillery shell. What cunning comparators.

Otto-normal commercial comparison for ordinary people, so that they rush *hey, let’s buy it*, that’s why we chose 76mm for comparison) Busines in ***** way, however

[faridg7]

Quote: boriz

You wrote about a cannon twisted from the foundation. What does the displacement have to do with it?

Well, if you are asking such a question, then you are either still an ignoramus or a humanist (which is the same thing for me). I didn’t write about this, but I can justify it.
A foundation turned upside down during firing means that the reaction of the gun’s support was less than the forces generated during firing. This means that for a gun of this caliber the foundation must be more massive, as well as the depth and area of ​​the foundation must be greater. In relation to ships, this means the need to strengthen the hull, which inevitably leads to an increase in displacement

[Mihail2019]

Why again is the author not listed at the end of the article?
I would like to specifically “charge” a few questions on a “slippery” topic.
There is a proposal for the entire site - articles without an author should not be published online at all!

[Mihail2019]

As a last resort - "news from the site administration."
Collective creativity, so to speak...

[asr55]

Currently, the Arsenal Design Bureau has developed a promising design for the 130-mm A-192M installation; it can be manufactured using modern stealth technology. The installation is part of the A-192M-5P-10 “Armat-Puma” artillery complex. The A-192-5P-10E complex is designed for arming surface ships and provides fire at coastal, air (including anti-ship missiles) and sea targets.
Source: http://bastion-opk.ru/a-192m-5p-10/ OVT “Weapons of the Fatherland” AVKarpenko To increase the effectiveness of the artillery system, up to four missiles of 200 mm caliber and a length of up to 3000 m can be placed on its protection, and eight more rockets can be installed in the cellar. Features of the artillery complex (in comparison with foreign and domestic analogues): • Increased combat effectiveness due to the high rate of fire of the artillery mount, accuracy, speed and noise immunity of the radar control system, high-quality technical and meteorological ballistic training for firing, measurement of misses and automatic correction of errors when firing at air and surface aircraft goals. • Increased combat readiness and duration of fire treatment of targets due to the automatic replenishment of the gun mount with shells from the ship's artillery magazine during the firing process. • Increased destructive potential in the fight against the flow of attacking anti-ship missiles due to the ability to simultaneously track up to 4 targets, generate firing data on the two most dangerous of them and ensure the rapid transfer of fire to the next target in the flow. • Stability of characteristics, high survivability, operational reliability, ease of combat and daily maintenance due to deep computerization of the gun mount and fire control system, the use of a radar meter for the initial velocity of projectiles and a device for online control of the coordination of the gun mount axes with the radar control system, automation of processes and operations of combat work, channel redundancy management. • Reduced weight and size parameters of equipment and equipment, ensuring placement of the artillery complex on carriers of smaller displacement;
- artillery mount guidance and fire control, shot type selection are carried out remotely, in automatic mode from the 5P10 radar control system or from an external optical-electronic module (OEM) based on the GOES-140 gyro-stabilized system; - the ammunition used is unitary ballistic high-explosive and anti-aircraft projectiles (BAS), used in AK-130 installations, and high-precision rockets of an unconventional type for firing at coastal and surface targets with a range of up to 100 km with mandatory target illumination. (ESPECIALLY FOR THE AUTHOR OF MEDICALITY AND PANES). The same shells are used in the 130mm A-222 Bereg BAK.

[asr55]

Such loser articles that are completely irrelevant cast a shadow on the professionalism of the military review, which has already been greatly spoiled by the Andreys. But the author simply has a stupid misunderstanding of the fact that rockets have been used for a long time in all types of artillery installations. The Mk45 Mod 4 gun is a 127mm gun and IT CANNOT BE COMPARED WITH THE AK-176M 76mm caliber, only with the A-192 Armat or A-192M 130mm caliber.. If there is no difference for the author, then there is no point in writing articles on these topics.

[asr55]

And what does the a-176 76mm have to do with it!? It is necessary to compare with the A-192m "Armat" - a Russian universal naval artillery mount of 130 millimeters caliber. Firing range against sea targets is 23 km, against air targets - 18 km. 30 rounds per minute. There are also adjustable extended-range projectiles for this installation.

[asr55]

Quote: Crash_117

Quote: olhon

I do not believe (s).

What did you think that only Russian weapons are the best in the world and all other countries are forever behind?

And what about the rest of the countries, either the best or not the best!? You just need to have a little more information about what the author writes. Why compare a 127mm installation with a 76mm one? The AU A-192M 130mm armata is simply completely superior to the American one in all respects, including extended-range missiles.. It would be nice to compare it with the forty-five.