Who ordered censorship and the 1937 year in Russia?

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Recently, the entire liberal (in the bad sense of the word) party was seriously so excited by the revelations of Maxim Galkin at the concert. Say, and censorship in Russia hoo, and Putin is not a cake at all ...

Ladies and gentlemen from "those" media, such as "Freedom", were already choking, commenting. Wow, there was a man who cut the truth-uterus in the eye.



To whom only - that’s the question.

In fact, yes, Galkin said so frankly, but ... That's how Stanislavsky really want to say "I do not believe."

And you all understand why. Because Mr. Galkin does not leave the state television channels, his ... wife is an almost complete holder of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland ...

In general, all this is more reminiscent of the immortal "Bees Against Honey", nothing more.

Accurately metered and meticulous criticism.

However, if someone wants to see Galkin in the status of presidential candidate there, it’s not a question. Well, there have already been so many stories about how honest, correct, truthful, disinterested he is, he will be praised for any choice.

However, I repeat, about censorship Galkin is right. She is. And it will be, because it is being ordered.

Of course, we can say that this “bloody gebnya” in power begins to strangle the sprouts of dissent. Not really, or rather, not at all.

Power - it is only power. She was, is and will be. And there is still a rapidly dulling population over which it is so easy to exercise control - this is a gift, because it is easier for authorities to tighten the screws when the electorate asks for it.

Ask wisely: who is it asking here to be censored? Who is either sick or masochist?

And he, the native electorate, also asks. Writing complaints to various authorities, for example. From Roskomnadzor to the elementary Ministry of Internal Affairs. The latter are generally a pity, well, where does a modern Interior Ministry officer understand the angry statement against Yuri Apukhtin, who wrote an article about Vlasov? Where is the average Interior Ministry official and where is Vlasov?

And so the poor policeman takes someone from the editorial office with the question “What are you doing?” For the trunk, and he explains to him that Yuri Apukhtin is ours, of Kharkov, who came to Russia to exchange prisoners of war, and before that he was sitting in the Kharkov dungeons of the Security Service of Ukraine. And he wrote about the traitor-general Vlasov more than fairly, and Apukhtin himself is not to blame for the fact that the fool who owns the Internet did not like something there.

Or there is another author on the site, a fan of airplanes. I wrote, you know, a rascal that the Focke-Wulf was a good plane. Atu, there’s nothing to praise and praise the Nazis here! Submit an article for the propaganda of fascism in the studio! More precisely, delete the article, the author ... with the author, too, something to do.

In general, we at the editorial office are already starting to get used to it. Already complaints and statements to various authorities, from ILV to the prosecutor’s office, have moved from the category of surprising to the category of regular ones. For a month to pass without 4-5 of such events, that's all, far in the past.

And what, in fact, is surprising?

On the side of the modern consumer of Internet information, an unsatisfied ego and a complete lack of knowledge. Hence the heaps of statements on the topic "I'll show you how not to respect me."

By the way, it is not surprising and quite natural.

What was there in 1937? Nothing like that, right? Yes, the "bloody" Stalin spread rot. In prisons, camps, on "construction sites of the century."

Many people are discussing this today, the topic will never subside as long as there are fools and frenzied people in the world. “The role of Stalin and his guilt in what happened in the 30-s of the last century” is an excellent topic in order to exalt oneself and throw a sort of fleur of intelligence.

Talking from time to time with representatives of that same stratum, I wonder just how they have everything sorted out on shelves. Stalin is guilty of repression unequivocally and irrevocably. Dot. Axiomally and does not require proof. Who needs proofs — out, in the school curriculum, in the works of Solzhenitsyn. Everything is beautifully painted there.

Excuse me, but what about the 5 (FIVE) MILLIONS of denunciations that are still stored in the FSB archives?

Logically, since there was no Internet or television in those days, and radio was not so common (the farther from the centers of civilization), the USSR post was not much different from the Russian post. Did Stalin personally appear in a dream to everyone who wrote a denunciation and ordered, in an orderly manner, to compose both near and far?

It turns out that he was.

And composed. And this is 5 millions in archives only. One can only imagine how much burned and was destroyed during the war in the same European part of the USSR. I think twice for so much, because not every denunciation was given a move.

But the fact that the people actively scribbled like this without bothering with aesthetics is clear and understandable. And scribbled in the end.

And then one thought came to me.

And why should the state refuse free labor?

Yes, it’s complicated, like what used to be, a chicken or an egg, a denunciation or a gulag? Calm down, the Gulag was before. The grandfather Lenin ordered the concentration camps to be built.

But here they began to use them as drives of free laboring mass a little later, this is so. But the point is not about the Gulag, if it’s worth talking about, it’s not here.

The fact (maybe slightly far-fetched) is that the Soviet people began to scribble the denunciations (who did it), and the state began to use these denunciations.

“At the request of the working people,” remember?

You don’t find analogies, no? Today, too, “at the request” and “with the support” of the population, we are now reforming the reform - be healthy. True, he asked and how he supported - this is a great mystery, but the effect has a place to be.

And today, as practice shows, the writing of denunciations is beginning to become fashionable. Well, that's not bad. Write to the traffic violator, the boorish official, or the bribe taker - why not? Write, especially since everything can now be sent over the Internet.

In general, the Internet is an elegant tool for self-affirmation. You can write something like Your Opinion, you can write somewhere. Or to someone. In general - the expanse is complete, and even safe.

Censorship ... And here she is born, darling. In exactly this way, at the “request of the citizens”, signed petitions and other instruments are sawn.

It is clear that there is official state propaganda. Which are carried to the masses of the First Channel, RTR and others. With all the ensuing consequences. And this piece of information is unshakable, like Everest.

In Ukraine, everything is bad, tomorrow the last groundhogs will eat up. The whole world wants to conquer us, we must be ready. The dollar will collapse soon. Well and so on, according to the list.


This is very professional information. I agree with the opinion of Galkin, soundly and deliciously cooked and completely ready for use. It remains only to swallow and absorb. Thinking is completely unnecessary.

And nobody is going to think.

We have already discussed more than once that even here, even in our rather advanced audience, there is ... a certain simplification. Yes, it’s very easy to look through the article diagonally (and some cannot do it, it’s difficult) and rush in with Your Opinion, the main essence of which is to declare the author’s stupidity and show who is knowledgeable and understanding, if not the Master.

Better yet, when His Majesty Hype. A catchy headline, five paragraphs of delirium (I will not point fingers at some media), and success is guaranteed.

And why not?

But because it’s just for consumption. Like officialdom. At the unicellular level.

And this, too, is like censorship. Clever and almost clever articles lose by hype. So they can not be prohibited, they themselves will die out, like dinosaurs. And only the official position will remain, which is quite satisfied with the majority of those who eat on the TV and the information consumer in Yandex Zen.

And it turns out that we ourselves arrange censorship. In fact, prohibiting materials that are contrary to the official point of view, or generally accepted in the Internet community.

It all started with criticism. Continued with complaints. What will be the third step leading to victory, I do not voice, but by analogy with 1937, it is not difficult to assume the year.

It will be just like this: life will become easier (in terms of information, of course), life will become more fun.

Today, you can blame the state for organizing censorship as much as you like, but ... Why, if we ourselves are doing this well? Just look at the rapidly yellowing headlines of the central news agencies.

In general, we are on the right track, gentlemen. The only question is - where?

But wherever this very curved path leads us, it is always worth remembering that we ourselves cave it.
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  1. +4
    22 November 2019 15: 03
    In general, we are on the right track, gentlemen. The only question is - where?
    To the future.
    1. +64
      22 November 2019 15: 08
      We are going nowhere .. grabbing all the mistakes that were, but missing out on achievements ..
      The rule of the masters, much worse, the autocracy of the CPSU .. The censorship of the gentlemen, much worse than the censorship of the USSR, no one needs the achievements of the gentlemen, since the benefits are only for the gentlemen .. So the road to nowhere turns out ..
      1. +24
        22 November 2019 15: 55
        Quote: Svarog
        The power of the masters, much worse, the power of the CPSU.

        Unity of the masters is the autocracy of capital, the autocracy of the "golden elite".
        1. +4
          23 November 2019 13: 59
          I re-read the article again, but then I will have to read it again, since it is a multifaceted article. Thanks, Roman, for writing about Apukhtin.
          I remember that someone addressed him a long time ago.
          Another thing is not clear, there is a point on polite handling in the rules, we should have a closer look at the authors. After all, if something seems wrong, then you can still treat humanly, and not be rude.
      2. +8
        22 November 2019 21: 04
        Mr. slave owner, slave worker in the name of personal well-being of the first and for his own little slice of bread. Moreover, the first can not exist without the second, and the second can live without the first. See S.-Shchedrin, Marx, Engels, Lenin
        1. -3
          22 November 2019 21: 17
          Quote: Amper
          Well, there have already been so many stories about how honest, correct, truthful, disinterested he is, he will be praised for any choice.

          Everything is just a screen for shifting attention from the main problem, replacing capitalism with socialism, and later with communism.
          1. -31
            22 November 2019 22: 25
            Communism will no longer exist - it demonstrated its failure 29 years ago.
            1. +8
              23 November 2019 00: 01
              he demonstrated his failure 29 years ago.


              No need to fool so openly sculpt on the air! Even your beloved Americans enjoy the work of Marx!
              1. -12
                23 November 2019 12: 29
                Well, firstly, Americans are your beloved, not mine, and secondly, it’s stupid to deny historical reality.
                1. +5
                  25 November 2019 09: 03
                  noble troll crawled out
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            3. +8
              23 November 2019 14: 22
              Quote: Vadim237
              Communism will no longer exist - it demonstrated its failure 29 years ago.

              I do not agree. Capitalism began the fight against communism back in the 1848 year, and it had more opportunities to destroy. In this fight, he won the round so far, but the fight is not over yet. Sprouts planted in the 1917 year sprouted and they grow. Time will pass and bear fruit.
            4. +3
              24 November 2019 06: 45
              . Funny. Overconfidence and categoricalness are not the best advisers. And that communism was really built in the USSR? Khrushchev's Trotskyist Wishlist does not count. Communist society is essentially "an association in which the free development of everyone is a condition for the development of all," and not at all that unlimited consumption, which was sometimes imagined
      3. +22
        22 November 2019 21: 46
        Quote: Svarog
        So the road to nowhere turns out ..

        1. 0
          22 November 2019 22: 03
          There is no such thing! The road does not end! Until the universal death.
          1. +8
            22 November 2019 22: 29
            Quote: Amper
            Until the universal death.

            this is the highest matter, and we about our everyday life
            1. +3
              23 November 2019 14: 30
              Quote: Silvestr
              this is the highest matter, and we about our everyday life

              That's right, your piece of land for a summer cottage, a second-hand "gelding" or suddenly the owner throws up a bonus. This is how we live in our everyday world, and we don't want to think about the future. For us, a piece of land under a dacha is higher than higher matters. But after all, in 1917 there were people who counted higher matters higher than this little private world. But maybe not now, but in a year, or ten years, but there will be such people.
              1. +7
                23 November 2019 14: 51
                Quote: tihonmarine
                and in a year, or ten years, but such people will be found.

                I think that those in power will not like your forecast. Their thoughts, just the opposite
              2. 0
                25 November 2019 13: 16
                ... God forbid if the new burry brothers from Russia will make a new big Israel ....
        2. -4
          23 November 2019 01: 44
          And I have a reference to a completely different interview and words. https://news.mail.ru/society/38738860/?frommail=10. Now it’s interesting now, is it your lying photoshop picture or did Menshov change his shoes quickly?
          1. +5
            23 November 2019 14: 52
            Quote: savage1976
            Now it’s interesting now, is it your lying photoshop picture or did Menshov change his shoes quickly?

            pereobulsya. I read his statements. You can check
            1. -1
              24 November 2019 13: 39
              And when he is re-trying again, do you write him down as a traitor or do you change his hands with him?
              1. +8
                24 November 2019 13: 42
                Quote: savage1976
                And when he is re-trying again, do you write him down as a traitor or do you change his hands with him?

                I’m not recording anyone anywhere; I am stating a fact.
                I never changed my shoes, even when the benefits were promised for repainting. Perhaps you yourself do not exclude this option, judging by the manner of communication
                1. -2
                  24 November 2019 13: 46
                  It’s funny that for you, shoes are authorities.
                2. +1
                  28 November 2019 19: 24
                  such as I am the majority ... you are with% ki snickering !!! sylvester sticks out of your mouth obama !!!
          2. +1
            28 November 2019 19: 19
            Quote: savage1976
            And I have a reference to a completely different interview and words. https://news.mail.ru/society/38738860/?frommail=10. Now it’s interesting now, is it your lying photoshop picture or did Menshov change his shoes quickly?

            they won’t hear you and put them in Kremlin boats!) your small summer cottage and used gelding is no longer the level of Tokyo, an apartment of 5 square meters and not Europe, where the mayor apologizes to the migrants for a 14-year-old girl raped by them ... this is a breed of henna- whimper, they know everything for you ... to the author of the post about Menshov: send him the screen of your mess, I think he will gladly put you on the grandmother in court for a lie !!! The Internet remembers everything, I’m not in the first. fool
      4. +1
        28 November 2019 19: 02
        I’ll be born in the USSR, I’ll say, as a deputy of Sovetskaya Street ... imagine the topics in VO in the 90s and now ?! now answer: hasn’t anything changed for the better !? there are jambs, they are everywhere, I was in Germany three years ago, you won’t believe the Germans howl !!! Britons are breaking, Italians are moaning from Moroccans and Tunisians, the French once or twice and miscalculated (Algeria, etc.) PARADISE IS NOT on earth !!! I think your cottage has not become smaller during this time and one hundred% of the furniture in the apartment is not from the 90s. sob sob...
    2. +16
      22 November 2019 15: 12
      Good article, like a cry from the soul. And so the 37 year may turn out to be babble in comparison with what it could be if, in all seriousness, they start to fight corruption :))))
      1. +47
        22 November 2019 15: 26
        Quote: APES
        if in all seriousness they begin to fight corruption :))))

        I do not believe that today's "elite" will begin to fight corruption - it is corruption .. Even if the top officials have a true desire, then with those people who are now at the top of the results will not be achieved. To do this, you need to completely change everyone and everything .. And this is like death for the vertical ..
        Although now there are much more opportunities .. It is enough to compare the declaration of income, all officials and expenses .. and immediately everything will be clear ..
        1. +14
          22 November 2019 15: 53
          Quote: Svarog
          I do not believe that today's "elite" will start fighting corruption - it is corruption.

          You are absolutely right.
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          1. +14
            22 November 2019 18: 05
            Maybe it's enough to post misinformation about the "chocolate official" here. After all, we have already figured out - this is not chocolate, but medicinal oil baths at a resort in Azerbaijan.
        3. +11
          22 November 2019 19: 33
          Quote: Svarog
          I do not believe that today's "elite" will start fighting corruption - it is corruption ..
          Do not believe? But in vain. She fights and will continue to fight even more successfully, but only with those who do not detach to the top, with those who have strayed from the pack, and who look askance at the leader.
        4. +5
          22 November 2019 20: 21
          Svarog, you are in shock today. Successes.
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          1. -13
            22 November 2019 22: 16
            Well, then you’re so killed ... you’ll never be so killed (s).

            Quote: Amper
            it's the road from ebna to pu

            When EBN, in my memory, is that now Roskosmos - the salary was delayed for six months. TSNIIMASH, surely.

            With "poo", somehow, no ... well, they do not delay request

            Now it is fashionable to whine about "we have no socialism". Moreover, it is, as a rule, those who whine who even under socialism rode out on the fact that they could not be fired, no matter how much one wanted wink

            Quote: Amper
            Go Russia!?

            Not so you kill, not so ... yes forward. Reasonable objections?

            Waiting for Yes
        6. -1
          28 November 2019 19: 07
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: APES
          if in all seriousness they begin to fight corruption :))))

          I do not believe that today's "elite" will begin to fight corruption - it is corruption .. Even if the top officials have a true desire, then with those people who are now at the top of the results will not be achieved. To do this, you need to completely change everyone and everything .. And this is like death for the vertical ..
          Although now there are much more opportunities .. It is enough to compare the declaration of income, all officials and expenses .. and immediately everything will be clear ..

          your fashion post ... straight on bulk ... whimper-whine. in the US Congress corruption is called "lobbying interests" let's burn world capitalism !!! aaaa not fashionable, do not pay !?
      2. +20
        22 November 2019 16: 42
        Quote: APES
        if in all seriousness they begin to fight corruption

        don't tell my slippers
      3. -1
        22 November 2019 21: 07
        Do not start. For this is the basis of existence. Reallocate only threads .....
    3. -7
      22 November 2019 15: 43
      To the future

      What is censorship?
      Censorship is essentially a defense against enemy propaganda.
      1. +18
        22 November 2019 15: 56
        Quote: lucul
        Censorship is essentially a defense against enemy propaganda.

        And from the corruption of society, because it is liberation in morals that is one of the reasons for the decline in the birth rate. Ideology is needed in culture; now it is not. The Ministry of Culture allocates money for all trash; in theaters, under the guise of performances, they show frank porn. And the state does not interfere at all, people disrupt the performances themselves, for which they are then taken to the police.
        1. +19
          22 November 2019 16: 22
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Ideology is needed in culture, now it is not

          An ideology or an idea is generally obliged to be present in society, in my opinion .. The development of society is directly related to ideology .. because ideology is a kind of guide for the masses .. and when it is not there, a person begins to rely only on his natural instincts and them and live, which leads to degradation .. In other words, We - need to be put higher than I ... of course it is easier said than done .. But if you look at the story, it is renunciation of your own Self that gave victory and the result .. And it is absolutely about all spheres of being, which correlates with moral principles .. It follows that ideology is moral principles, guidelines .. And when morality leaves, then states, empires leave ... and families fall apart for much the same reason. .
          1. -16
            22 November 2019 16: 35
            An ideology or idea is generally required to be present in society, in my opinion ..

            It seems that you think in the right direction, but you can’t add two plus two ...
            Putin just strikes exactly the ideology of liberalism, to the very root. You can endlessly defend yourself, like the Soviet Union, or you can transfer the battlefield to their territory, and hit the root ....
            1. +10
              22 November 2019 16: 39
              Quote: lucul
              Putin just hits the ideology of liberalism

              In liberalism, there is no morality, because it promotes the individual’s complete freedom from ideology, or otherwise, if simplified, everyone lives for himself and for his own sake .. For this reason, liberalism cannot be considered an ideology .. it is a return to the Stone Age ..
              1. +10
                22 November 2019 16: 52
                In liberalism there is no morality, because it promotes the individual’s complete freedom from ideology, or in another way, if simplified, everyone lives for himself and for himself ..

                Isn't atheism a kind of religion? ))))
                Liberalism is a new religion, the scale of which not everyone is able to see, usually they see individual elements (puzzle).
                The fact that freedom from ideology is interpreted there is a usual substitution of concepts, manipulation.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2019 02: 28
                  Quote: lucul
                  Liberalism is a new religion, the scale of which not everyone is able to see, usually they see individual elements (puzzle).
                  If traditional religion is "the opium of the people," then liberalism is "the opium of the people."
                2. -1
                  25 November 2019 12: 22
                  Isn't atheism a kind of religion? ))))


                  As an atheist I will answer - no ..))
                  I generally reject any religion for myself .. In my opinion, religion is stupidity for the people, and a means of control for those who are over the people ..
            2. +4
              22 November 2019 19: 53
              Quote: lucul
              Putin just strikes exactly the ideology of liberalism, to the very root. You can endlessly defend yourself, like the Soviet Union, or you can transfer the battlefield to their territory, and hit the root ....

              And what root did he hit and with what?
            3. +10
              22 November 2019 20: 42
              Quote: lucul
              Putin just strikes exactly the ideology of liberalism, to the very root.

              Are you not reading newspapers?
              “Yeltsin saw in Putin a man who would continue his liberal reforms."V.Yumashev 22.11.19/XNUMX/XNUMX. laughing
              1. 0
                28 November 2019 19: 43
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: lucul
                Putin just strikes exactly the ideology of liberalism, to the very root.

                Are you not reading newspapers?
                “Yeltsin saw in Putin a man who would continue his liberal reforms."V.Yumashev 22.11.19/XNUMX/XNUMX. laughing

                and where yumashev lives now !? whose flute is blowing!? AAAAAAA !?
          2. +3
            23 November 2019 16: 52
            The moral principles of Christian morality are well established. Why is this not enough?
        2. +1
          22 November 2019 20: 14
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Culture needs an ideology,

          +++! As if the goal, or the meaning of culture is the Idea. Its development, options for the path. The Ministry of Culture allocates money not for the development of culture but for amateur performances, creativity, and it should be called the Ministry of National Amateur Activities. Given that nationalism is something separating people, the activities of the Ministry of Culture are harmful to the people.
          1. +7
            22 November 2019 20: 53
            Quote: aybolyt678
            The Ministry of Culture does not allocate money for the development of culture but for amateur activity, creativity, and it should be called the Ministry of National Amateur Activities

            hi Really .. this is an exact definition ..
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Given that nationalism is something separating people, the activities of the Ministry of Culture are harmful to the people.

            100% good
          2. +5
            23 November 2019 02: 59
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Given that nationalism is something separating people, the activities of the Ministry of Culture are harmful to the people.
            Not this way. Nationalism is a medical fact. It is because there are different nationalities, and people prefer their customs, language, beliefs to strangers. But this natural nationalism is sometimes artificially, and sometimes, due to historical circumstances, transformed into Nazism: the subjective preference of its national world becomes arrogance, contempt or hatred for another or others, and a conceptual justification is adapted to this attitude. The Ministry of Culture must support healthy nationalism, otherwise we will get Nazism.
        3. -1
          22 November 2019 22: 19
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          it is liberation in morals that is one of the reasons for the decline in the birth rate

          minimal reason.
          The liberated centuries of mankind were (before Columbus and his syphilis_)
          the birth rate was age-appropriate.
      2. +13
        22 November 2019 16: 25
        Quote: lucul
        To the future

        What is censorship?
        Censorship is essentially a defense against enemy propaganda.


        Tell Shies about this.
        1. -16
          22 November 2019 16: 30
          Tell Shies about it

          Shies - who / what? )))
          1. +18
            22 November 2019 16: 54
            Quote: lucul
            Shies - who / what?
            Hard case... fool
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              1. +19
                22 November 2019 17: 11
                Quote: lucul
                Well, I'm not a God-chosen liberal

                it turns out that newspapers and news are read only by liberals, while the rest are watching
                1. -1
                  22 November 2019 22: 02
                  it turns out that newspapers and news are read only by liberals, while the rest are watching

                  How familiar .....
                  Such manipulations also put pressure on the people of Ukraine in 2014. They say that the people have become so impoverished that there is nowhere to fall further, and the authorities have snickered so much that they are already eating golden loaves ....
                  As time has shown, the people to the bottom were still falling and falling ....
                  Your thinking is just at that stage (the stage of inspired thinking).
                  1. +6
                    22 November 2019 22: 31
                    Quote: lucul
                    Such manipulations also put pressure on the people of Ukraine in 2014

                    forget Ukraine, there is no business?
                    Quote: lucul
                    As time has shown, the people to the bottom were still falling and falling.

                    those. are you for the fall?
                    Quote: lucul
                    Your thinking is just at that stage (the stage of inspired thinking).

                    my thinking is in the stage when tomorrow I will heal and smile with no medicine without any medicine. that everything is there
                    1. -3
                      22 November 2019 22: 34
                      my thinking is in the stage when tomorrow I will heal and smile with no medicine without any medicine. that everything is there

                      So I say, you were "brought" (formed conclusions) by the handle to the stage of the Ukrainians, in 2014, and just like they were taught that only Putin (Yanukovych) is to blame and as soon as you overthrow him (the gett gang) - so immediately and LIVE (as in France).
                      Is it really not clear ????
                      1. +7
                        22 November 2019 22: 37
                        Quote: lucul
                        So I say, you were "led" by the handle to the stage of the Ukrainians, in 2014, and just like they were taught that only Putin (Yanukovych) is to blame, and as soon as you overthrow him, you will ALIVE immediately (as in France) ...
                        Is it really not clear ????

                        Do not consider yourself smarter than others! Who led where and to whom that gave, everyone decides for himself.
                        that the authorities snickered, no doubt, that the elections were farce, no doubt. You are just like a hat ..

                        she also screams that the fight against corruption will destroy the state. State of thieves?
                      2. +5
                        22 November 2019 22: 41
                        Do not consider yourself smarter than others! Who led where and to whom that gave, everyone decides for himself.

                        It makes no difference to me at all - I live in Belarus ....
                        They just shouted the same way in 1991 - down with the corrupt communists. As soon as we overthrow, we will immediately live.
                        I observed this deja vu in 1991 and in 2014.
                        And now I’m watching in Russia - and your army is expanding ....
                      3. +3
                        22 November 2019 22: 54
                        Quote: lucul
                        And now I’m watching in Russia - and your army is expanding ....

                        and who is to blame?
                      4. +1
                        23 November 2019 08: 44
                        Quote: lucul
                        It makes no difference to me at all - I live in Belarus ....
                        They just shouted the same way in 1991 - down with the corrupt communists. As soon as we overthrow, we will immediately live.

                        so they shouted, do you think besides the KGB players and the Communist Party sharashka, someone else was ruining the country? They shouted, and the same people remained to rule.
                      5. 0
                        28 November 2019 21: 42
                        Quote: lucul
                        Do not consider yourself smarter than others! Who led where and to whom that gave, everyone decides for himself.

                        It makes no difference to me at all - I live in Belarus ....
                        They just shouted the same way in 1991 - down with the corrupt communists. As soon as we overthrow, we will immediately live.
                        I observed this deja vu in 1991 and in 2014.
                        And now I’m watching in Russia - and your army is expanding ....

                        they believe they are.
                      6. -4
                        22 November 2019 22: 46
                        You can take the girl out of the village. The village of a girl is much more difficult (s).

                        Doctor, I fully admit that you are a normal specialist. But when you start writing for politics, it’s just some kind of trash, and sodomy. In one bottle, yes Yes

                        PS: I'm all about Ukraine, and the attendant deformations of thinking, yes wink
                      7. 0
                        28 November 2019 19: 37
                        It’s useless to explain Vital to this, I’ve been to many countries, the whole Eastern Europe and the main Benelux ... and VABRAL TO LIVE IN RUSSIA. they don’t understand and don’t see how the gozman ... sylvester pros are sketches, for all the time on VO I often see this ... will we offer them a tour without olin-exclusivity in these countries ?! they are sasha centurions.
                    2. +2
                      22 November 2019 22: 40
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      my thinking is in the stage when tomorrow I will heal and smile with no medicine without any medicine. that everything is there

                      Doctor, this is a metaphor, agree.

                      You work in Moscow. I am regional. But I have not yet seen a hospital in which there would not be

                      Quote: Silvestr
                      syringes and threads

                      Maybe I was lucky so far, of course ... but the statistics are a stubborn thing, and over the past five years I’ve been lying in hospital for all kinds of different people 10+.

                      Strange, is not it? request
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                  2. +1
                    28 November 2019 19: 29
                    Quote: lucul
                    it turns out that newspapers and news are read only by liberals, while the rest are watching

                    How familiar .....
                    Such manipulations also put pressure on the people of Ukraine in 2014. They say that the people have become so impoverished that there is nowhere to fall further, and the authorities have snickered so much that they are already eating golden loaves ....
                    As time has shown, the people to the bottom were still falling and falling ....
                    Your thinking is just at that stage (the stage of inspired thinking).

                    I know where you are judging by the nickname ... people are also fooled by European happiness ... I suggest that Sylvester the provocateur go to a flourishing country and try to survive there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Balabol he PPC.
                2. +2
                  23 November 2019 17: 41
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  only liberals read newspapers and news, while the rest look at the mailbox
                  Not this way. Liberal newspapers and news are read only by liberals. This seriously affects their mental status: everything is bad, then it will only get worse, the people are silent, etc., etc. The rest of you sometimes see in a box (in a good way). Take care of yourself!
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      3. +4
        22 November 2019 18: 40
        the word censorship comes from the Latin censoris - scissors. The first newspaper in the world was "Acts of the Senate", The Responsible Person - the censor was responsible to the Caesar for not printing anything superfluous there.
        1. 0
          22 November 2019 22: 29
          Quote: aybolyt678
          the word censorship comes from the Latin censoris - scissors. The first newspaper in the world was "Acts of the Senate", The Responsible Person - the censor was responsible to the Caesar for not printing anything superfluous there.

          Well, not only in Rome. The king of Joachim destroyed the scroll of the prophecies of Jeremiah (608-598 BC). Like you do not need to read any contradictory.
          But the coolest was
          Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang!
          in 213 BC e. ordered to burn all books except medical, agricultural and scientific, in order to protect the empire from the perceived danger of poetry, history and philosophy!
          Thanks to him, we were left with crumbs of books of that period and before him, and that was because they were in the graves and they were not reached and burned.
          Such a normal person ...
          And in Russia
          The first old Russian book, which included an index of banned publications, dated 1073!
          There are a lot of religious books (schismatics of the same or idolaters) later. The Russian church very cruelly pursued rival firms. Opium fans for the people did not expect the punishment from the hands of the official church. And the books, of course, were destroyed.
          Well, tracking the mood of the people, and other estates, hunting for different people (starting from revolutionaries, etc.) was in any country.
      4. -7
        22 November 2019 21: 09
        And propaganda starts from the girls on the choir ... 4goda. Even Miki2 would be forgiven.
    4. +10
      22 November 2019 15: 57
      Quote: svp67
      To the future.

      Which doesn't even flicker in front.
      1. +2
        22 November 2019 20: 34
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Which doesn't even flicker in front.

        and no now Danko with a burning heart crying
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      3. -2
        23 November 2019 18: 30
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: svp67
        To the future.

        Which doesn't even flicker in front.
        Did you see where we are going in the 70s - 80s? Ghost did not flicker any? The goal today is seen much clearer than before: to make Russia the center of integration of two continents on the Eurasian continent. What was the last time you saw such a goal in society? Another question is that not everyone sees this goal, but it is a matter of time; before it was not there at all.
    5. +14
      22 November 2019 17: 10
      What future, if we returned to the past .. and not even yesterday, tomorrow ...
      1. +3
        22 November 2019 21: 25
        Get a curse branded, the whole world of hungry and slaves!
        Only need to learn from the mistakes of the past! There is no alternative to socialism! Capitalism is a dead end to the development of society! Take a look around! What are his priorities? What does the younger generation live with? Who is raising him? On what examples? What should society strive for? ....
        1. 0
          23 November 2019 19: 03
          Quote: Amper
          Get a curse branded, the whole world of hungry and slaves!
          What an expression! The growing fury of a hungry slave is felt. Keep rehearsing!
      2. +1
        25 November 2019 00: 02
        We are going into the future, but it is not clear in which. Or capital, or social benefits, or elsewhere. We, the country, are at a crossroads today, without a course of development, a goal, a strategy that everyone understands.
        In the article, the author cries about how the journalists accustomed everyone to lie, report, climb into all the cracks and holes without responsibility, and now when he came around with this, we got the opportunity to put pressure on the editorial office to control their services (the site is a commercial information company, where they use our data, articles, comments), tails are tightened about censorship. Roman wrote a whiny yellow article on democracy.
    6. +6
      22 November 2019 17: 29
      Quote: svp67
      In general, we are on the right track, gentlemen. The only question is - where?
      To the future.

    7. +2
      22 November 2019 20: 56
      Quote: svp67
      To the future.

      sometimes for the light at the end of the tunnel take the lights of an oncoming steam train
  2. -10
    22 November 2019 15: 20
    Exactly this way, the whole 280 millionth country was destroying the Union, that is how Tsarist Russia was ruined. But then we assign the guilty that we live poorly, then Gorbachev, then Lenin, then Stalin, now Putin, but no one is observing logs in his eye.
    1. +30
      22 November 2019 15: 47
      Yes, of course .. All 280 million. Of these 280 percent, 95 simply worked stupidly to feed families. They had nothing to do with the collapse of the country. This was done by a handful of traitors in the leadership of the CPSU and the republican committees. A handful of idiots at rallies supported this. The rest simply did not understand what was happening.
      1. +5
        22 November 2019 16: 44
        Quote: 210ox
        They had nothing to do with the collapse of the country.

        Do not be afraid of enemies - in the worst case, they can kill you.
        Do not be afraid of friends - in the worst case, they can betray you.
        Fear the indifferent - they do not kill and do not betray, but only with their tacit consent does treason and murder exist on earth.
      2. +10
        22 November 2019 16: 50
        Dima, prYuvet! In 1993, those outside the Moscow Ring Road did not really understand what was happening, unlike in 1991. In 91, everyone was in favor of making it work, with the exception of the "lads" and the nouveau riche, who had already become fat. Unfortunately, by 1991, in just 5-6 years they had acquired such a power of power that we could only shrug our shoulders, for we firmly believed in the army, the KGB and other forces. Our mentality was no longer rebellious.
        1. +12
          22 November 2019 17: 11
          Quote: sabakina
          more, we sacredly believed in the army, the KGB and other forces.

          and in vain, it turned out, Glory hi
        2. +6
          22 November 2019 20: 38
          Quote: sabakina
          for we sacredly believed in the army, the KGB

          especially in the KGB !!!
      3. +2
        22 November 2019 17: 34
        Quote: 210ox
        The rest simply did not understand what was happening.

        But this does not remove guilt from them (us).
        1. +12
          22 November 2019 20: 42
          Quote: mark1
          But this does not remove guilt from them (us).

          I remember how the shooting of the House of Soviets was broadcast throughout the country and the announcer said something about the triumph of democracy ... And after all, only now we understand that it was a tragedy worse than the House of Trade Unions. And that our life today is a payment for our stupidity and betrayal of the deed of our grandfathers.
      4. +4
        22 November 2019 19: 24
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, of course .. All 280 million. Of these 280 percent, 95 simply worked stupidly to feed families. ...... just did not understand what was happening.
        Why are they so stupidly worked?----may I ask? And because with the specially created deficit, food prices went up daily, because getting salaries for the work done was sometimes postponed for six months, there were reductions, and it was hard to find new jobs, and for a short while it turned out, children's insurance turned into 00000, like other savings. Both in people and in enterprises.
        Now I have no doubt that this was what was intended.
        1. -5
          22 November 2019 20: 06
          You obviously did not live in the Union.
          products went up daily because salaries for work done were sometimes postponed for six months, there were cuts, and it was hard to find new jobs, and for a short while, child insurance turned into 00000, like other savings.
          Sorry, but this is nonsense.
          1. +5
            22 November 2019 20: 16
            I once lived in Leningrad. Once in 91m I returned from the Far East. True, I was petty, I did not go to the store, but I remember the conversations of the elders well. After all, in the Far East, where the parents worked in the GRE, there were completely different bargains.
            That you did not live in the USSR. And if in the USSR --- then special shops, special clinics. ...something like this laughing lol
            1. +3
              22 November 2019 21: 22
              Look at the map of the USSR, LSSR (Latvia), Gulbene. The special shop may have been in the city executive committee, but I did not have access to it. And this. By the end of 1991, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was abolished, capitalism came with all its "splendor": products went up daily because salaries for work done were sometimes postponed for six months, there were cuts, and it was hard to find new jobs, and for a short while, child insurance turned into 00000, like other savings. .
            2. 0
              25 November 2019 20: 31
              I remember very well that troubled time.
              At that time I worked as the chief accountant of a very large by local standards (1800 people) plant. Every day I went to PromStroyBank to get at least something to pay salaries, the Manager always told the truth - money, stupidly, was NOT brought! We wait. It was true! So much for the whole performance called "The system's inconsistency".
              Second message. A relative of a neighbor's dacha worked in the 80-90s at the "Base". She told me more than once, the goods were - to the ceiling, nowhere to store! The same cigarettes. There were up to ...
              And all this is to the question of the participation of "structures", called upon day and night to observe Law and Legality, in the Intentional Destruction of the Union. Small-town nationalism could do nothing to crush such a Hulk, only treachery at the highest levels. Only the silence of the military is striking. They took the Oath.
              1. +3
                26 November 2019 01: 10
                Here I have nothing to say. What do I remember? Product lines when given per person. My grandmother or mother took me with me. Although I didn’t want to. Then --- when there were fights in the shops ---- they stopped taking me with me. I remember ----- with my grandmother for a half year went to a big the mail is far away .... I remember relatives talking, they were glad that they had found a job, everyone had several jobs .... I didn’t understand, because before, they worked in the GRE, they simply worked, they got their salary (pay , prepaid expense)???????? Why the second, third job? And I ------ sit at home alone, almost the whole day. True, having learned to read at 4,5 years old, I read many books then from a large home library.
      5. +3
        23 November 2019 01: 12
        Like this? So in the USSR there was still an 8-hour working day for people, decent salaries, high-quality medicine, free housing, a cheap communal apartment, resorts and motels. The most readable country in the world, people with the best education in the world and suddenly did not understand what was happening! In a moment, you dumbed and forgot how to read? . And suddenly it turns out the people plowed from dawn to dawn to scrape a penny for food?
      6. 0
        23 November 2019 20: 08
        Quote: 210ox
        a bunch of traitors in the leadership of the CPSU and republican committees. A bunch of idiots at rallies supported this.
        Real Khrushchev! Do you think the people are so quiet that a bunch of traitors and a bunch of idiots worked before their eyes that they wanted, and they
        just did not understand what was happening
        This makes liberals and communists similar: both believe that the people are blind and they need a guide, a leader. Their competition is terrible, but both sides are shouting that they need power not just to sit on the people’s neck, but only to lead these stupid and hungry slaves to the well-fed kingdom of freedom, the “promised land”.
  3. +7
    22 November 2019 15: 23
    How precisely noticed:
    In general, the Internet is an elegant tool for self-affirmation.

    Well, hereinafter:
    a rapidly dumb population

    Apukhtin himself is not to blame for the fool who owns the Internet

    Oh, again, someone was not lucky with the people ...
    (I will not point fingers to some media)

    You don’t find analogies, no?
    Tellingly, this is not the first time I've read here about the "dull population", but there has never been an article about the quality of the content ... But now I know that someone has already censored Galkin himself, eh ...
    1. 0
      23 November 2019 20: 35
      Quote: Less
      someone already censored Galkin himself
      Did the prima donna decide to invest her savings in politics and become the first lady? They think that Zelensky got a ride, but we don’t have our own clowns
  4. +13
    22 November 2019 15: 32
    A very good article and the question is correct. In my opinion, we are taking leaps and bounds to the collapse of Russia, to the creation on its ruins of a cruel and unjust oligarchic state with an estate structure of society, to the law of the strong and slavery, ignorance and lawlessness of the common people.
    1. +5
      22 November 2019 19: 20
      Quote: Potato
      to the creation on its ruins of a cruel and unfair oligarchic state

      But it has already created such a state - capitalist, based on private property.
      1. 0
        23 November 2019 06: 03
        Only toughening and injustice will continue, capitalism.
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Potato
        to the creation on its ruins of a cruel and unfair oligarchic state

        But it has already created such a state - capitalist, based on private property.
    2. -9
      22 November 2019 19: 26
      If the "simple" people do not want to work, then why not force them?
      1. -2
        22 November 2019 22: 34
        And ordinary people need to be encouraged to work - and if this is not done, they will disappear in the literal sense, and in the place with it the state.
    3. +1
      23 November 2019 18: 02
      Someone scared you about our prospects. Everything is not so bad, the welfare state is slowly but under construction. And the pace depends on the availability of resources, including tax collection. Many dissatisfied with the social programs pay taxes themselves inaccurately.
  5. +11
    22 November 2019 15: 33
    I have never seen a more disgusting person like this clown married to his grandmother. When I see his face on TV, I turn it off, so as not to spit. As with the grandfathers of the kings "The jester must know his place."
    1. +3
      22 November 2019 15: 46
      This liberda is preparing for us a new conscience of the nation. A mixture of Zelensky and Macron, a clown married to an old woman, fresh, fashionable.
    2. +10
      22 November 2019 18: 25
      Quote: tihonmarine
      I have never seen a more disgusting person like this clown married to his grandmother. When I see his face on TV, I turn it off, so as not to spit. As with the grandfathers of the kings "The jester must know his place."

      Well, and the rest on TV, how do you like it? Especially on political talk shows? The most pressing problems (Ukrainian) are discussed all the time. And the most relevant is who gave a tambourine to whom on this show. Recently, a scuffle on the air, on such TV. crafts, so it generally becomes the norm. One must think that the next "cultural level" is:
      watch on all federal channels, according to "numerous requests from viewers" - the show "Running Man".

      There are not any such requests, but there is purposeful propaganda of the state. Because in its bulk, I personally am surrounded by sane and quite worthy fellow citizens. Many of which, like me, are shocked by the pouring from TV. screens of hate. Just like in the Inhabited Island of the Strugatsky brothers - repeaters are turned on at full capacity. And personally, I didn’t order this. Galkin, against their background, is just an example of decency, at least he has no fights for fun and they do not rinse dirty laundry in front of the whole country. However, like many others, I stopped watching federal channels, and I learn about what is happening there from the Internet.

      PS Our fellow citizens are better than they think about them, and therefore vote with their feet from TV. On the other side. And not because of Galkin. On TV. There are gentlemen and more. hi
      1. +3
        22 November 2019 19: 11
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Well, the rest on TV, how do you like it? Especially on political talk shows? The most urgent problems (Ukrainian) are discussed all the time. And the most relevant, who gave to anyone a tambourine on this show.

        Correctly said "Show!" for for. And for the people nothing, so I watch "Wild Planet" about animals, they do not show shows (animals) they live their own lives.
        1. +6
          22 November 2019 19: 37
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Well, the rest on TV, how do you like it? Especially on political talk shows? The most urgent problems (Ukrainian) are discussed all the time. And the most relevant, who gave to anyone a tambourine on this show.

          Correctly said "Show!" for for. And for the people nothing, so I watch "Wild Planet" about animals, they do not show shows (animals) they live their own lives.

          And I watch the same thing, plus I love the historical channels and I really regret that there are no more programs like on the common screen: In the animal world, the Cinema Travelers Club really liked the program - Obviously incredible. Everything was interesting and cultural. What time, what state - such programs. The task was to raise the cultural and spiritual level - there were such programs.
          Now, judging by the TV, the task is to awaken in people everything that is base and primitive, perhaps even an animal. hi
          1. +3
            22 November 2019 20: 34
            Quote: Leshy1975
            Now, judging by the TV, the task is to awaken in people everything that is base and primitive, perhaps even an animal.

            This is the ideological side of capitalism in order to raise not defenders of the homeland, but gays and traitors.
            1. +4
              22 November 2019 20: 53
              Quote: tihonmarine
              This is the ideological side of capitalism in order to raise not defenders of the homeland, but gays and traitors.

              [
      2. +1
        23 November 2019 20: 46
        Quote: Leshy1975
        Galkin, against their background, is just a model of decency
        And next to him Pugachev as an example of integrity ... And that, well, I like it.
    3. +2
      22 November 2019 20: 31
      Quote: tihonmarine
      "The jester must know his place."

      This buffoon, together with his wife, are representatives of the stratum of society that has accumulated capital, and she has a request for political representation in government. Summer rallies from there.
  6. +7
    22 November 2019 15: 39
    A minority representative expressed the majority opinion.
  7. +27
    22 November 2019 15: 43
    "Of course, we can say that this 'bloody gebnya' in power is beginning to stifle the germs of dissent. Not quite so, more precisely, not at all so."
    Exactly. In Tomsk, there was a television and radio company TV-2, independent of the state, which liked to invite local officials on the air and ask them uncomfortable questions, plus residents of the Tomsk region could ask their questions to officials by phone. The same TV and radio company filmed and broadcast stories about the problems of the Tomsk region, again inconvenient for local officials, did not ask for money from the budget, earned on its own, so it was not possible for officials to manage it manually. But it was closed in 2015, with the help of the local Roskomnadzor, which did not issue a new license for television broadcasting under a far-fetched pretext and local courts sided with him. The TV and radio company was one of the first non-state ones, created in the early 90s, winner of 23 TEFI awards, it was in it that the "Immortal Regiment" was invented, which was originally held in Tomsk and in several other Siberian cities. But now we have local "Vesti" on Channel 2, where "everyone sows and plows" and in general everything is fine.
    1. +13
      22 November 2019 17: 02
      "Vesti" on Channel 2, where "everyone sows and plows" and in general everything is good.
      .... In the style of cherry blossomed, beets bloomed ... agricultural workers demanded at times to reduce their salaries, which would reduce the cost of farmed products laughing
      1. +4
        22 November 2019 17: 15
        something like that))
      2. +3
        22 November 2019 19: 46
        Quote: parusnik
        agricultural workers demanded at times to reduce their salaries in order to reduce the cost of farmed products

        We had something similar a few years ago. It was accepted in the Russian Federation just the new, at that time, minimum wage. So the directors of what remained of the state farms, together with the district authorities, piled a letter to the region. The letter, of course, was signed by the workers of these enterprises. The essence of the letter: the people are asking not to raise the minimum wage for agricultural workers in the region, otherwise native enterprises will go bankrupt, because will not pull the payment of such salaries.
    2. -2
      23 November 2019 21: 06
      Quote: Tomic3
      But now we have local "Vesti" on Channel 2, where "everyone sows and plows" and in general everything is fine
      And you do not sow and do not plow, wallow dyrapa? Not all the same in Tomsk, someone plows.
      PS If you write what is closed, do not forget to see for yourself what has been opened
  8. 0
    22 November 2019 16: 04
    RF is not the USSR and will never become one (apparently). Galkin, Pugacheva and others like them stand at the origins of the system that was established in 1991. They are not satisfied with some uncomfortable particulars of the modern regime. At the same time, all together work together to make the Russian Federation look like the USSR of 1937. Further, the USSR regime is equated with the regime of Nazi Germany, which was overthrown by "Western democracies". This scheme should work in the limit on a very specific political plan for defeat and the establishment of a “democratic regime” approved by “Western“ democracies. ”This, apparently, should be a separate deal against the“ Watans ”.
  9. +12
    22 November 2019 16: 12
    Quote: Svarog
    I do not believe that today's "elite" will start fighting corruption - it is corruption ..

    And capitalism without corruption, in principle, does not happen .. It's just that it is differently framed in different countries. For there is no more reliable and profitable way to get hold of a capitalist than to stick to an official boobs ..
    1. +15
      22 November 2019 16: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      And capitalism without corruption, in principle, does not happen ..

      laughing capitalism, say ...
      We do not have any capitalism, since the basis of our economy is not obtaining surplus value, but trading in all kinds of raw materials. Capitalism and socialism are based on a labor basis, differing only in the principle of labor organization. In this regard, the slave system with its main commodity in the form of working hands is also close to them.
      Putin's Russia has found its own special path away from this main world path: no labor is quoted today, and our native people are a burden. Therefore, the average salary is ten times lower than in other countries - and indeed than in the USSR, where the labor remuneration included free housing, medicine, education and many other social gifts.
  10. +12
    22 November 2019 16: 26
    But is there no censorship on VO? There is.
    As for me, censorship is needed so that outright nonsense, the fruits of a sick imagination, do not appear on the fields of the press. Otherwise, any unhealthy paper-maraka will begin to write whatever it wants and in any form.
    Worse when censorship limits criticism (fair) and breadth of view ...
    1. -1
      22 November 2019 22: 40
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Otherwise, any unhealthy paper-maraka will begin to write whatever it wants and in any form.
      Worse when censorship limits criticism (fairness) and breadth of view.

      but where is the clear line between madness and genius?
      This is the same thing only at different poles.
      And if you transfer the right to any person to decide the line - then he will be mistaken ....
      Because it is peculiar to a person (intentionally or not intentionally)
      The author is right here - the truth and serious reasoning are not in demand by the consumer!
      The truth will be called a lie, few experts will gain serious reasoning. This means an unpopular article will be.
      The consumer decides.
      And since the mass consumer wants simple and understandable information, they offer the corresponding product to her. Otherwise, the consumer will run away from tediousness or dull truth. laughing
      It is also good that in VO without seals and girls.
      So it’s not so simple.
      1. 0
        22 November 2019 23: 56
        But you must admit that if articles written by swearing people, maniacs, etc., begin to appear, then it will be the devil knows what) Here was a series of articles about a trip to Europe. Many asked the question "why are they on the MILITARY review"? The censorship was silent ... Although the logic was lost.
        1. +1
          23 November 2019 02: 08
          Here, every second article is neither military nor historical.
          In this context, articles about Europe were quite trendy, especially since many of them had a historical focus.
  11. +5
    22 November 2019 16: 27
    Quote: Silvestr
    Capitalism and socialism are labor based

    What is this all of a sudden ?? Capitalism is based on the acquisition of capital at the lowest possible cost. If for this purpose it is not necessary to produce anything, then soooooooo. That we see in the West, where loot has long been generated simply from the air, adding zeros in the computer. Straight is the ideal of capitalism ..
    1. +10
      22 November 2019 16: 33
      Quote: paul3390
      where loot has long been generated simply from the air

      straight out of thin air !? what a fertile climate!
      Capitalism - ea conical system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and freedom of enterprise. The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit.
      1. +4
        22 November 2019 16: 38
        Outdated definition. Nowadays, nothing is needed to produce capital in order to obtain capital. Avon — the Wall Street eagles — how much money they spin, alone — they didn't produce anything. And those who still produce - the main income is not from sales but from speculation in their own shares. Do not believe me - take a look at the structure of the balances of, for example, American automobile companies .. Banksters have long ruled the world ..
        1. +4
          22 November 2019 20: 40
          Quote: paul3390
          . Nowadays, nothing is needed to produce capital in order to obtain capital.

          those. , for example, does the Boeing Corporation exist? laughing Abruptly
        2. +1
          23 November 2019 22: 04
          Quote: paul3390
          Banksters have long ruled the world
          In this world, the basis of the economy has become not "material, production relations, which are formed apart from the will and consciousness of a person, as (result) a form of activity aimed at maintaining his existence" (according to Lenin), but the distribution of money, which was previously considered an element of the superstructure - not all, but green candy wrappers, with the help of directed flows of which material production is opened and closed, only not in order to maintain the existence of people (they have somehow learned to adapt themselves, like strains of viruses), but for the purposes of geopolitics. The ideal, betrayed to the Marxist anathema, became the basis, but remained at the top, and the superstructure became an adjustment. It's simple. smile
      2. +2
        22 November 2019 20: 23
        When was that? The capitalist system performed well while there was room for expansion, but the planet "ended" and began to add zeros, often to zeros. It's time to move to a new level of economic relations. In my opinion, the time has come for the revival of a partially planned economy, in which the state must assume the role of a regulator and controller, and not try on the role of a banal reciter.
    2. -3
      22 November 2019 22: 41
      Capitalism will not work out of thin air - we need services or goods.
  12. +5
    22 November 2019 16: 36
    An hour before this article, I left Yandex Zen. You read it and the pressure jumps. Cheerful words are chewed up with a smart look.
  13. +10
    22 November 2019 16: 37
    And it turns out that we ourselves arrange censorship. In fact, prohibiting materials that are contrary to the official point of view, or generally accepted in the Internet community.

    Interesting phrase. If we consider that censorship is a certain prohibition established “from above” by the right of position, position, by virtue of certain rules, then the official prohibition of expressing one’s own opinion in the accepted framework of communication can be considered as an infringement of freedoms. It is clear if someone is engaged in verbiage or profanity, but there are those who simply make “encrypted” and recommended by the methodological statements on any occasion and do not allow any, even two hundred times reasoned objections.
    Today, the state can be accused of organizing censorship as much as you like, but ... Why, if we ourselves do this well? Just look at the rapidly yellowing headlines of the central news agencies.

    Namely, the headlines behind which the frank delirium hides.
    With regard to today's complaints, it should be noted vicious practice when a complaint or statement is sent to the defendant and the perpetrator of the conflict for consideration. Another feature of the present time is the total disregard for information defaming the honor of the uniform. But even such a feature did not hide the fear of popular anger when candidates from a well-known party “suddenly” massively renounced membership in it before the elections ...
    In general, we are on the right track, gentlemen. The only question is - where?
    But wherever this very curved path leads us, it is always worth remembering that we ourselves cave it.

    Going nowhere. And about “themselves” - I can give one example, when drivers were asked to receive certificates at new prices, they did not block the entrances or express their negative opinion in any other way, but simply took turns (some citizens even sold seats in them) and resigned themselves with a fate ... True, due to the massiveness in the queues, the deadlines for obtaining certificates were extended.
    It is precisely to this that we are deliberately led to slave submission. And strong objections are not yet noticeable.
  14. +10
    22 November 2019 16: 46
    here we have one activist who called a polysite enemies of the people. Only on this branch, give it power, 80% should go to ...
    And give him censorship? Censorship should be, but not in the hands of the ignorant, but for protection from the ignorant.
    And then in our life it turns out, the deeper you lick, the more you have
  15. +8
    22 November 2019 16: 57
    And it turns out that we ourselves arrange censorship. In fact, prohibiting materials that are contrary to the official point of view, or generally accepted in the Internet community.
    ....Absolutely right. It turns out: You give positive in everything. And nothing else. Did not write positively, State Department agent. laughing I heard news on the radio. Deputy Milonov took the initiative to instruct the Ministry of Emergency Situations to arrange heating places for the homeless ... Not as an example, nor about deputy Milonov. So about the positive, a little touch ...
    1. +9
      22 November 2019 17: 12
      Quote: parusnik
      Give positive in everything. And nothing else. Did not write positively, State Department agent.

      somewhere like that ...
    2. +4
      22 November 2019 19: 04
      Quote: parusnik
      . laughing I heard news on the radio. Deputy Milonov took the initiative to instruct the Ministry of Emergency Situations to arrange heating places for the homeless ... Not as an example, nor about deputy Milonov. So about the positive, a little touch ...
      The radio did not listen about Milonov. In the city there are such places, although they are not enough. Like the Administration of the districts does. Without the Ministry of Emergencies. Also, citizens bring warm clothes.
      But what about charitable, religious organizations? Like under the king they were doing this?
      Now, it seems, are Venice and Paris being helped ?. ...well yes. Well yes.
      1. +3
        22 November 2019 19: 24
        Dmitry, I’m talking about the positive, what a concern for homeless people, in our country of happiness ... For them, heating points in the cold .. that would not freeze ...
        1. +3
          22 November 2019 19: 45
          Quote: parusnik
          Dmitry, I’m talking about the positive, what a concern for homeless people, in our country of happiness ... For them, heating points in the cold .. that would not freeze ...

          I don’t always understand you, Alexey!
          However, now to you --- not then !!!! ((Sarcasm))
          The system is always stronger than man! This SOCIALISM of people raised, education, social elevators, the population increased.
          Now CAPITACLISM. The opposite is true. The population is getting smaller.
          1. +4
            22 November 2019 20: 40
            Dmitry once again .... in our country, where there are many varieties of sausage, there are not enough parking lots for cars, where almost every apartment owner, where there is a mortgage and loans, where everyone works and receives a decent salary and on weekends "go" to the city of Paris , drink a cup of "coffee" on the Champs Elysees and spit from the Eiffel Tower, on the heads of careless Parisians, there are also homeless people who are probably quitters, not deceived people who have been deprived of their living space, so it was proposed for them, mind you, it was proposed to create heating points that would not freeze ... what care and humanism ... and positive ...
            1. +2
              22 November 2019 21: 05
              Again I do not understand you., Alexey! As you yourself, Alexei, quoted the Czech or Pole in power as saying: EVERYTHING that was said about capitalism is true, and we are slurping it with a full spoon.
              The homeless were under CAPITACLISM in all countries were and are. The system is stronger and overpowering the weak is the norm of CAPITACLISM. And even before the Great French Revolution, under the absolute ism, there was "the right of the dead hand". The opportunity and the right to take away anything from a vassal, even if he die from it. Somewhere here in the comments about some not so humane capaclysm.
              Well, yes, yes, the right of a dead hand came from more ancient times. The French commoners did not succeed in defeating him, but the willful capital-enema society crawled into the new progress. ((Sarcasm))
            2. +3
              22 November 2019 21: 33
              Thoughts go somewhere to the side. It is very hard to be homeless. We give them certificates and some kind of grocery sets. In any case, a few years ago it was. But what about those villages where the population is 100 people in falling apart houses. On TV sometimes I see, he takes a rash. And neither the deputy nor the Ministry of Emergencies. And neither sets, nor any transport. Is anyone interested in how they are there. Not cold, not hungry ..... And can those homes be considered real housing?
              And again, remember the official who condemned people after the disaster, who were left without housing, oh, they didn’t get dressed like that .... And how would she get dressed, swim in clothes in cold water and lose everything ....
              1. +2
                22 November 2019 21: 58
                Dmitry, the fact is that in our happy country, everyone can be homeless and unemployed ... at any time ... Today, you have cars and a warm house, and tomorrow you are on the street ... and they will offer you a bowl of pottage, and a free hearth ... at night .... that would not freeze ... Something like that .... But on the other hand, positive, a bowl of pottage, a hearth for the night ...
                1. +2
                  22 November 2019 22: 15
                  This is all the way you write, Alex. Only in fact --- much worse. Formally, someone has a house, but not really. Rent. The turn of the crisis --- the number of homeless people is increasing ...... right of a dead hand ..in action ..
                  Quote: parusnik
                  ..... everyone can be homeless and unemployed ... at any moment ... Today, you have cars and a warm house, and tomorrow you are on the street ......
                  .... having lost a decent appearance ---- do not rise to the lost position.
                2. -2
                  22 November 2019 22: 48
                  That's about everyone at any moment - you don’t need to talk, you don’t know what everyone has there in terms of: work, housing, transport, finance, relatives, relationships, etc.
                  1. +1
                    23 November 2019 05: 48
                    well yes! Well yes! You somehow found out am that not everyone wants to have a home and confidence in today and tomorrow! You somehow found out am or something that some of each of them made plans for themselves, thought, thought, how to lose everything and become homeless? So what? But I don’t know about it and can’t even imagine? Is that your plans you mentioned?
                    Announce the entire list, please!
                    1. +1
                      23 November 2019 12: 35
                      This is called chronic poverty, dumped into it because of depression or lack of willpower and, accordingly, because of the indifference of relatives and so on.
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2019 13: 50
                        And I met people who were divorced by their own relatives and turned into homeless people. And they themselves live without hesitation, they have risen at the expense of ruined relatives. That is, the total ruthless "right of the dead hand"
                        And minus ---- you put me? In general, I don’t put minuses to my opponents, because often because of opposing opponents I came up with something useful. good
  16. +6
    22 November 2019 17: 12
    As Stanislavsky and Skomorokhov wrote there - "I don't believe !! ... That someone, on their own (!!!) initiative, is straining legal brains against VO.
    There is always censorship. For - money (power) loves silence. The main idea (request) of the respected author is not to "make noise" in "hype articles". And then they will close everyone for 5 bans. bully

    ps On all sites, there is a rewrite with extremist slogans. And "money" ignores it ... But "virtual shoulder straps" got someone. God grant longevity IN. drinks
  17. +5
    22 November 2019 17: 36
    Roman, there is one difference between present-day Russia and the USSR of the 30s and 40s. At the time when 5 million denunciations were scribbling, a great industry was built, and then a great industry was built. If the historical circumstances were different, we would now live in the most powerful country.
    But there is no certainty that the 5 million denunciations that have been filed now will lead present-day Russia out of the economic and political impasse.
    1. 0
      22 November 2019 21: 17
      Quote: depressant
      that the 5 million denunciations scammed now,

      these denunciations are definitely not ...
      Quote: depressant
      ... will lead today's Russia out of the economic and political impasse.
      ,
      since a new personality is formed-
  18. +2
    22 November 2019 17: 55
    Galkin has never been seen criticizing the authorities. A man lives in another dimension and is happy with everything. But if he spoke on the topic that not everything is safe in our country, if Sergey Zverev (as we would not belong to this person) went to the picket, then everything is very bad.
    1. 0
      22 November 2019 21: 15
      Quote: Fevralsk. Morev
      Galkin has never been seen criticizing the authorities.

      just boxes do not show such people

      In our box only Ukraine
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    1. +5
      22 November 2019 18: 48
      Quote: Mihail80
      You should at least see who is the author of this seditious article. Journalist from Radio Liberty, an American anti-Russian propaganda mouthpiece.

      It would be for you to open eyes .. there are used photos:
      Radio Liberty (Youtube ..
      Skomorokhov - the mouthpiece of American propaganda wassat fool .. That's about people like you and the article, just ..
      1. 0
        22 November 2019 19: 51
        Yes, here I was mistaken, not from Radio Liberty.
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      1. -5
        22 November 2019 22: 53
        Nothing special - these are still flowers in other countries of the world there are many things that you never dreamed of in a nightmare.
    3. -2
      22 November 2019 23: 01
      Quote: Mihail80
      You should at least see who is the author of this seditious article. Journalist from Radio Liberty, an American anti-Russian propaganda mouthpiece. I did not expect to see such muck on this site.
      And how did all the scribblers buy right away, such a thing they wrote, hair on end. All gathered, and 37 years old, and all all steal and all around the informers. Full srach in the comments.
      So there was a calculation. We must still be able to separate the grains from the chaff!


      Are you whitewashed? No need to compare current pseudo-reality and common sense.
  20. +7
    22 November 2019 19: 28
    Galkin had a normal speech, a political satire, and so what? Zadorny was stronger, and everyone laughed.
    1. 0
      30 November 2019 03: 17
      Quote: Dalmatia
      Galkin had a normal speech, a political satire, and so what? Zadorny was stronger, and everyone laughed.

      Sorry, but do not confuse who Galkin is and who Zadornov is.
      1. 0
        4 January 2020 18: 14
        You go to the person, then the one who you like, you can, and the other - you can’t)))
        1. 0
          5 January 2020 20: 46
          Quote: Dalmatia
          You go to the person, then the one who you like, you can, and the other - you can’t)))

          Sorry, but I didn’t get personal.
          I just compared these two personalities.
          If Galkin is an idol for you, then for God's sake.
          But for me and Zadornov is not an idol. He is a very good satirist (was).
          But Galkin is a good parodist.
          What he "said" was an "order." (IMHO)
          Only and only.
          And do not be offended by mine
          personal opinion.
          1. 0
            5 January 2020 21: 51
            No, what are you .. You are quite correct .. And I have nothing to offend.
  21. +5
    22 November 2019 19: 39
    In my opinion, he said this to be in a fashion trend. And now it is very fashionable to "fight" and "suffer" from the "regime".
    If censorship really were such as some say. That such media as EkhoMoskvy, Rain, Novaya Gazeta would either be closed. Or they would write about how much a ton of unplanned crap was threshed in the bins of the motherland.
    And if today would be 37 years old. That is, all the leaders of the non-systemic opposition, journalists of the above-mentioned publications would lie in the trench of the raster testing ground. And it is not known which one. And many members of the forum, including myself, would have worked hard in one of the camps and would have worked for at least another 5 years, or rather 10.
    1. -3
      22 November 2019 21: 07
      Quote: Servisinzhener
      If censorship really were such as some say. That such media as EkhoMoskvy, Rain, Novaya Gazeta would either be closed.

      Echo of Moscow? How can the state close what belongs to the state?
      And many members of the forum, including myself, would have worked hard in one of the camps and would have worked for at least another 5 years, or rather 10.
      But how to look at you, it would certainly be a guard.
      1. +3
        22 November 2019 21: 26
        Quote: WIKI
        Echo of Moscow? How can the state close what belongs to the state?

        In general, the behavior of one side and the other is surprising. Some pay for dousing themselves with slops, while others do not disdain to take money from those who hate fiercely in Slovakia. Maybe a deal ...
        Quote: WIKI
        But how to look at you, it would certainly be a guard.

        The fact that I am very skeptical of the locals and not only the fighters against the "regime" for russiabezputin. And I think that it is better to cut down some riotous heads until they have realized their ideas. Doesn't mean that if the order of the thirties suddenly returns now, then I will become an overseer. Most likely my fate will not turn out very well and will not last very long.
        Familiar in an imperialist country (the territory of Great Britain for 37 years), an amateur radio station, a graduate of the Department of Chemistry, and a small number of criticisms of some decisions of the head of state. Very suitable for the British spy saboteur.
        But the good order is much softer now. And equalizing them with the 37th year is incorrect.
        1. -3
          22 November 2019 21: 43
          All Taldychite about the 37th. As I understand it, you scare yourself. Why are you driving a wave? Someone from the normal says that it is necessary as in the 37th? Adequate say that we must take the best from the past and move on.
          1. +3
            22 November 2019 21: 48
            It was a thought experiment, the transfer of modern figures of sufferers to the end of the thirties. Refuting the words of these sufferers. And showing the incorrectness of comparing situations.
            Quote: WIKI
            Adequate say that we must take the best from the past and move on.

            I totally agree.
      2. +3
        22 November 2019 23: 00
        Quote: WIKI
        Echo of Moscow ... belongs to the state

        In more detail from now on, if you can, of course laughing
  22. +3
    22 November 2019 19: 57
    Recently I listened to a radio program about Mikhail Rom. Among other things, they talked about the fact that he was in a pre-infarction state when he learned that his film "Lenin in 1918" was removed from the rental. And then it did not bode well. Now we know that to the main viewer he seemed damp and he asked that some moments be shown in more detail.
    In my opinion, this is very far from the situation with Galkin.
  23. +2
    22 November 2019 20: 05
    Let's leave the author about "Lenin's concentration camps" on his conscience. Tsarist hard labor was no better. Galkin said about what everyone knows. It's only bureaucrats with raised eyebrows surprised. But the author got to the point about the HYIP.
  24. +3
    22 November 2019 20: 47
    Better Tit in the cage than Jackdaw on the screen ... Pugacheva tired ...
    1. +2
      22 November 2019 20: 59
      And Sprinkle tired, like my mother, with her divorces and propaganda of polygamous women ... and all their surrogate motherhood giving fagot too ...
  25. -2
    22 November 2019 20: 55
    Throws you, the author, from side to side. From denunciations - well, that’s a lot that you haven’t yet disclosed on the topic - to the stupid people around.
    * Denunciations, they are timely reporting of violations (not by you) - the cornerstone principle of the system "man to man - a wolf", we ourselves, you are also helpful. chose it instead of socialism. And just do not need tales about the fact that "I fought for the USSR"!
    * And the generation now is not dumber than mine, I do not know which one is yours. Has the focus changed? I'll tell you that, I'm an old Arbat punk, I haven't been to the Arbat for a long time - I have nothing to do there for a long time. Well, something has changed, "Conservatories" have appeared, and Tsoi's wall is a bunch of rather dumb ... Uh-uh tourists. Those who used to work on that corner over there have now opened a rockabilly bar on the Arbat ... The people there have not changed, and by the way, I heard talented laubs there - what is the difference from my generation? The music is different and the ankles are bare?
    You, the author, are going to judge everyone - why so? doesn’t occur to you that you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND? And since such an educated one, then there is a classic ... Yeah, the fathers are there ... And the children.
    PiSi: in general, there is such an opinion, not mine - only YOUNG people wrote Russian classics - then the brain is already stagnating, it's about me and you, it's not for us to chase them. By the way, expressed by a teacher of literature, age under 50
  26. +1
    22 November 2019 21: 15
    "In fact, yes, Galkin said quite so frankly, but ... Just like Stanislavsky, I really want to say" I don't believe. "
    That's right, believe Galkind- do not respect yourself.
    He is a dull marketer, always diligently licking his asses with any power he held.
    And the recent outburst is nothing more than verified and castrated criticism, a habitual henchman.
    Galkin understands well that the party of his fellow tribesmen, who have been living for decades on federal TV channels, is not just mortally tired of the people, but causes a steady sense of disgust.

    Some of the same mediocre gangsters, voiceless singers and song-makers, who lead with primitive humor, receive a lot of money from taxpayers, and after the broadcast they call people a cattle in a drunken or narcotic frenzy.
    They think they are sure that the low-quality product that they give out "to the mountain" can only be consumed by a low, uneducated person.
    And they from the top of their garbage Olympus have every right to judge.
    Russophobes of all stripes, degenerate propagandists of homosexuality, all sorts of perversions, for decades, fiercely stubbornly fool the people on his own money.

    How tired they are, watching any broadcast with their participation is to spoil your soul.
    1. +4
      22 November 2019 22: 00
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      so they’re tired of watching any broadcast with their participation- to shit in their soul.

      How do I agree with you hi
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  28. -2
    22 November 2019 21: 38
    Quote: savage1976
    Exactly this way, the whole 280 millionth country was destroying the Union, that is how Tsarist Russia was ruined. But then we assign the guilty that we live poorly, then Gorbachev, then Lenin, then Stalin, now Putin, but no one is observing logs in his eye.

    In vain citizen banite, comrade! I agree with you comrade SAVAGE! You + from the Real Communists 20 century! That's how it is, if not sad! Self-regulation of society from governance, not resistance to evil by violence, all this led to the rise to power in most countries, including Russia. slaveholders, temporary workers. Who recently went to vote !!? For against!? Vodka is sweeter !!!? I do not respect you, sons and daughters of the Land of Soviets! Sadly all this ..
  29. -3
    22 November 2019 22: 22
    What to do!? The eternal Russian question. For all time ... You just have to do it! Do not sleep! Come together! Think!!! And not about tomorrow, but how great-grandchildren will live! .... And does not hope that the government will take care of this! For the earth's salt is YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Understand this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not bankers --- not bourgeois! Not the Central Committee of the Communist Party (With Zyuganov all the more) YOU !!!!!!!!!! Want to be slaves? Be! If you want to be a people’s state, be! But not for yourself, be one people!
    with Communist greetings, V.I. Lenin. Through his secretary. You can ask any questions, we will answer.
    1. +7
      22 November 2019 22: 25
      Quote: Amper
      with Communist greetings, V.I. Lenin. Through his secretary

      Um ... it is not clear - are you Lenin, or is it his secretary?

      Quote: Amper
      You can ask any questions, we will answer

      Question: how much did you drink before commenting? If not at all - the forecast is even worse request
      1. 0
        23 November 2019 14: 33
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Question: how much did you drink before commenting?

        the same question arose after reading ....

        Today he will be ashamed. But-written by pen ....
  30. -5
    22 November 2019 22: 27
    I participated just like that. Galkini and politics !! ???????? Galkin and Gene Sec Alkin! ???????????? Laughter in the rubble!
  31. +2
    23 November 2019 09: 08
    Galkin how many years on the screen ??? Tired ... We are tired of him. He has a deadline ??? Let it go ... Pugacheva how many recent concerts held ??? Tired ... Under her songs the USSR was falling apart with Shufutinsky
  32. -5
    23 November 2019 09: 38
    zaputintsev burnt, people thought, well done Galkin, the zombie swamp even stirred. For 5 minutes they even forgot to wash the bones to Ukrainians. laughing
  33. +4
    23 November 2019 12: 12
    About Galin's performance, I would like to ask: "What was that?"
    It is surprising how easy it was for some to fall for this buffoonery.
    Who is it, Galkin, the stands - the accuser?
    I beg of you!
    The man who sold for the sake of the dough and lives his whole life according to the laws of show business?
  34. +2
    23 November 2019 16: 40
    A completely wretched article with an attempt to justify their own inability to moderate the VO site. fool
    Dear Author, you would have to do your own site, and not Pugacheva’s husband ...
    And then here they comment quite normally that the site belongs to the Ministry of Defense, but it is not clear which country ... am
  35. 0
    23 November 2019 17: 21
    And I have a question for the moderators. Quoting Mayakovsky "Here!" or calling, say, jokers, I go into the minus. How about postponing the medical examination until July 2020. Nobody knew anything? Like the guarantor found out from the media? I do not believe!!!
  36. 0
    23 November 2019 20: 39
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: lucul
    Putin just strikes exactly the ideology of liberalism, to the very root.

    Are you not reading newspapers?
    “Yeltsin saw in Putin a man who would continue his liberal reforms."V.Yumashev 22.11.19/XNUMX/XNUMX. laughing

    "Don't you read the newspapers?"
    Despite the fact that most of the people on the site are thinking and very literate, there are enough of those that are not like newspapers, the primer has not yet finished reading. And this "disregarding"They are terribly proud of theirs.
  37. 0
    23 November 2019 20: 45
    Quote: lucul
    Tell Shies about it

    Shies - who / what? )))

    Uhhh ... Yes, drop it, you Mr. Lukul URL though Google, though Yandex. And then after all, it will blurt out of the blue. Feel free to get stuck in all the discussions.
  38. -1
    23 November 2019 20: 47
    Quote: lucul
    Such manipulations also put pressure on the people of Ukraine in 2014

    Shies is unknown to Mr., but about Ukraine and Solovyov with Shein will give 100 points ahead.
  39. 0
    24 November 2019 07: 04
    In the "Manifesto of the Communist Party" on page 47 it is written "The old bourgeois society with its classes and class opposites is being replaced by an association in which the free development of each is a condition for the development of all." This is the main thing, not unrestrained consumption with a complete lack of understanding of reasonable needs. So for those who write about the failure of communism, first it would be worthwhile to understand that it simply did not exist. And one more piece of advice: you need to read the primary sources yourself, and not the interpretations of even scientists, but opportunists under the current government, and even less liberals and Russophobes. Then you would be faced with the concepts of not only bourgeois, but also reactionary socialism. Do not judge without reading, but you will not be judged. Good luck!
  40. +1
    24 November 2019 17: 24
    many, the topic will never subside while there are fools in the world

    People are fools for a different point of view. And the arguments? And the arguments at the kindergarten level:

    Did Stalin personally appear in a dream to everyone who wrote a denunciation and ordered, in an orderly manner, to compose both near and far?

    If you are at least three times a lover of denunciations, if in society there are no mechanisms for turning your denunciation into the grief of another person, then nothing will follow from your denunciations. And if someone created such conditions, counting on this ground, destroy the unwanted and take their own people into slavery, then his guilt is endless
  41. +2
    24 November 2019 20: 04
    I read the complaint of a person from the editorial office either against the "rapidly dull population", or against a policeman, or against those who write complaints, or against censorship, or against the Internet - what exactly I did not understand. Do not complain about the circumstances, work better than others, be the first and the population (which word ...) will follow you.
  42. +2
    24 November 2019 20: 40
    The topic has already left, and right now I remembered what I had witnessed.
    On the censorship of television in Soviet times. Tereshkova - in space!
    I lean over to the TV, and Valya shouts from there in a happy voice: "Say hello to Anatoly!" In the next repetition, and they were often allowed on the occasion of important events, there was no Anatoly in the record, and, although there was no Internet, the next day the whole country knew that Anatoly was a journalist and a groom. Therefore, the wedding of Tereshkova and Andriyan Nikolaev was perceived by everyone as the fulfillment of a party task, Tereshkova was sorry, Khrushchev was cursed.
    And another case.
    Live reporting. The arriving ship is docking with the station. The docking was successful, and one of the cosmonauts jokingly shouts: "Rape! Rape!" Such jokes, from the point of view of censorship, are not worthy of a Soviet cosmonaut. Yes, even from the TV screen! Naturally, humor was removed from the replay. Probably, after this incident, direct reports from space were no longer conducted, or I missed them))
    1. +1
      25 November 2019 01: 32
      Quote: depressant
      The topic is already gone, but right now I remembered

      lol Lyudmila Yakovlevna, truly delivered!
  43. +1
    25 November 2019 23: 33
    Again, our libero Skomorokhs have the wrong people, 5 million denunciations, you know! So this is just 2% of the population, the so-called "intelligentsia"! And in our time, 2% of them are the descendants of this Soviet intellectual liberda! And enough to stipulate the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA-GAME GHOST LIBEROID!
    The people are not so forward to the places where the haoaroshian people are in the right way!
  44. -1
    27 November 2019 14: 43
    Explained clearly. thank! rarely seen in the world trash ...
    By the way, if you look at kamenty later in the text, thenooooo .... the author is right.
    Some sort of blizzard has already rushed about the Communist Party, the USSR and so on. Although the essence of the article is completely different.
    Let me also note: censorship is necessary in any case and in any scenario in any media that is distributed to a wide audience.
    And it is not so important in what format and for what reasons censorship will appear and manifest.
    Personal opinion: WITHOUT censorship - IMPOSSIBLE !!!! For people on the internet, any noteworthy information should be abstracted by a specialist and turned into ...., for example, the same "PURGU". For people who consider themselves a specialist on the basis of round-the-clock reading of the garbage can, by definition and axiomically DANGEROUS, give access to real and objective information from the network, even in a random way.
    On the other hand, a real specialist in his field and in his field has always had and will have access to real data. From normal and professional sources.
    Yours!
  45. +1
    29 November 2019 18: 22
    The general message of the article and comments to it (many, in this case): “Our native electorate asks and creates censorship, for the current generation of people has been brought up in the spirit of simplification and consumption.” Those. he himself does not know what he is doing, for it is difficult to know, it is necessary to strain the brain, and to swim with the flow is easy.
    But excuse me. And who, in fact, created the very electorate? Where did he come from, electorate, so unicellular? Really, really, such an uncle came (insert your last name yourself) and with a wave of a hand dumbed the population to a level convenient for him?
    Probably not. It is not a simultaneous blow with a club that leads to dullness in the spirit of consumption, but small injections, small but constant. Subcutaneously, without damaging the integument. At all angles: buy, buy, buy! No money - you have a loan! Don’t think, take it! Do not take your ass off the couch, take it directly from the computer screen! Take it from the TV screen! We’ll bring you home, don’t get up off the couch!
    This is mainly aimed at young people who objectively cannot take this critically, because they know little, have seen little. And how does it affect fragile minds? We see it ourselves.
    I, in fact, why? And to the fact that reading very interesting articles on this resource (exactly in the middle), what do I see on the right? "Buy a fishing rod." "Apartments in the residential complex" Tihaya Gavan "". "Eat the Miracle Dessert." It's simple: on the left - "Prospects for naval artillery of the main caliber of the XXI century", on the right "VTB - take for 0%". And after all, the trap is that if there were just VTB and fishing rods, I would never even go in! But the "main caliber"! Where else do you read?
    And I don’t need to say that the site cannot exist without funding (read - advertising). I don’t know! But! Criticizing the “stupefaction of the population”, one should also turn to “oneself” ©. Why, with a negative connotation, refer to “the majority of those who eat on TV and informational consumerism in Yandex-Zen”, if two lines below a link to that very “Zen”? Despite the fact that the audience on VO is simply colossal. Why blame the mirror?
    “We are responsible for those we have tamed.” © Long before my birth, it is said.