SpaceX Starship Mk1 prototype explodes on tests

SpaceX Starship Mk1 prototype explodes on tests

The first full-scale prototype of SpaceX Starship Mk1 exploded during the next test phase. It is reported by NASAspaceflight.


The site, which posted the video of the incident, said the tests took place on Wednesday, November 20 at the Boca Chica test site in southern Texas, owned by SpaceX. The prototype Starship Mk1 spacecraft was tested for maximum filling of the fuel tanks with cryogenic liquid, resulting in an explosion that ripped off the top of the rocket. During the tests, the ship itself was still at the final assembly stage.

The purpose of this test was to maximize the pressure increase in the systems, so this result was not completely unexpected

- stated in the company.

This accident can put an end to the Starship Mk1 rocket and slow down the program for creating a spacecraft as a whole, experts in the space field say. According to reports, the company SpaceX now plans to deal with an improved version of the rocket - Mk3.

Recall that Elon Musk made a presentation of his Starship Mk1 spacecraft at the end of September 2019 and promised to send it into orbit six months later. He promised that the first test flight of the ship will take place in one to two months. In this case, Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km.

Musk spoke about his ship project and its structure. According to him, in the final version Starship Mk1 will have a height of almost 50 meters, the mass with a full load of fuel is 1400 tons. Equipped with Raptor 37 engines, it will be able to launch up to 150 tons of load into orbit or transport people to 100.

It was previously reported that the Starship spacecraft should become the largest and most heavily manned spacecraft in stories. The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the moon and Mars. In the Starship Super Heavy version, it will be more powerful and heavier than the NASA Saturn V rocket, which delivered the Apollo astronauts to the moon.

The company planned to start commercial flights on Starship in the 2022 year.



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  1. The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2019 12: 53 New
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    Well, I couldn’t ... I couldn’t! ...
    1. Civil 21 November 2019 12: 55 New
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      MOSCOW, November 21 - RIA News. The Investigative Committee has opened two new criminal cases of theft at Vostochny Cosmodrome, Kommersant reports. Both - under the article "Fraud on a large scale", later they were combined into one production.
      We are talking about the loss of 13,8 million and 242,6 million rubles during the construction of the launch complex for the Angara. According to the newspaper, this is due to the provision of “forged documents”, as a result the damage caused to the state amounted to more than 250 million rubles. There are no suspects and defendants yet.


      Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.
      1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 01 New
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        Mask exploded rocket.
        Is Rogozin to blame?
        Have you tried to drink valerian? laughing

        Write about pensions. wassat
        1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 06 New
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          During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

          Where are they taught ????????? request

          Is Russian language taught at school now? Or do these "writers" study in social networks? request

          And one more question:
          - if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

          Musk drives a car "not fully assembled"?

          But of course Rogozin is to blame. Right, "Civil"?" wassat
          1. Major Yurik 21 November 2019 13: 27 New
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            Where are they taught ????????? request

            Is Russian language taught at school now? Or do these "writers" study in social networks? request

            Do not believe me, they are so tormented, but Google helps ..... yes
            1. Shurik70 21 November 2019 18: 25 New
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              Very strange bird behavior.
              Explosion. Everything around is filled with ice fog from spilled liquid oxygen.
              And birds fly in droves in droves on the border of the fog, do not fly away.
              Nests covered with fog? Since it seems to be not the season, the chicks have already been bred.
              what
          2. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 13: 33 New
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            "if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then what the hell is it to experiment with it?" ////
            ----
            The rocket (prototype) was without a head part.
            Only the filling of the tanks with fuel was checked.
            1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 52 New
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              Warrior, then tell me why install a fuel tank that has not been previously tested?
              All this is a scam.
              The tower was torn down impressively.

              Even on the heating system in the house they put pressure gauges and use pipes, tanks and boilers withstanding the required pressure and temperature.

              A swindler and Musk and his accomplices if they have fuel tanks like a sieve.
              1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 23 New
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                There is an explanation, by the way it fits into the Concept of the Mask - Show Visibility of activity and the presence of any results. You can take all of his projects for analysis.
            2. orionvitt 22 November 2019 10: 47 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              Checked only fuel tank filling

              And how, checked? Apparently, yes.
          3. Souchastnik 21 November 2019 14: 00 New
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            And one more question:
            - if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

            Everything seems to be written: The prototype Starship Mk1 spacecraft was tested for maximum filling of fuel tanks with cryogenic liquid. Or did you have to collect everything, check the operability of everything and everything, and then fill in the fuel so that it fails with all the expensive equipment?
          4. PalBor 21 November 2019 19: 04 New
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            This is a common practice: no matter what happens, say that it was intended. Like, during the state acceptance of the building, the wall collapsed. The foreman, glancing at his watch, joyfully: "Oh! Exactly at 11.30!"
        2. Civil 21 November 2019 13: 14 New
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          Quote: Vladimir16
          Mask exploded rocket.
          Is Rogozin to blame?
          Have you tried to drink valerian? laughing

          Write about pensions. wassat

          And what to write about them? Those who raised their pensions are themselves to blame when they watched on television in 1991 how the USSR was falling apart.
          Rogozin boch, there is nothing to blame him. It is time to establish an alliance of free support Rogozin. And then paid Rogozin fans immediately minus. And so, with all my heart.
          1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 22 New
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            Quote: Civil
            Rogozin Boch

            Civil, and what is this "boh"? laughing

            And tell how Rogozin barrel Mask blew. laughing
            1. Civil 21 November 2019 13: 40 New
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              Quote: Vladimir16
              Quote: Civil
              Rogozin Boch

              Civil, and what is this "boh"? laughing

              And tell how Rogozin barrel Mask blew. laughing

              And what are your prices at Roscosmos for such comments?) Judging by their mass numbers - not bad) It would be better if they would have spent on immediate functions ... although on the news, you can’t.
              1. Prisoner 21 November 2019 16: 19 New
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                And what are the prices for your comments, if not secret? laughing
                1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 24 New
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                  Strawberries are paid or income from it.
              2. vargo 21 November 2019 21: 06 New
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                Yes, just a strange habit to see cons everywhere. If they are discussing problems with us, then no one writes that over there the Mask rocket exploded. And just as Mask’s rocket exploded, so soon a crowd of clerks flies up and come on about pensions, about Rogozin, about thefts and generally about how to survive.
                Evaluate the event separately from the context, please, and they will not minus you. Everything is simple.
          2. CARLSON 21 November 2019 13: 23 New
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            Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.
            Here there are bison, they just take a word (democracy, s), there they’re sawing more on one “Excuse me” (not on a project, but on a ship) than on the whole East
            1. Captain Pushkin 21 November 2019 15: 01 New
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              Quote: CARLSON
              Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.

              About twenty years ago there was another scandal over the procurement of the Pentagon. The list is not small with prices.
              I don’t remember everything, but the toilet covers for $ 8.000 apiece were impressive.
              I dreamed of looking at them with at least one eye, or at least seeing a photo, but not fate, everything was a secret ...
              1. Ka-52 22 November 2019 06: 34 New
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                I dreamed of looking at them with at least one eye, or at least seeing a photo, but not fate, everything was a secret ...

                lids are still garbage. Americans spent 43 million for the construction of a gas station (!!!) in Afghanistan (!!!), which closed a year later.
                According to a report submitted by the Office of the Special Inspector General for Reconstruction of Afghanistan (SIGAR) on November 3, 2015, $ 43 million was spent on the construction of a gas station in the city of Shibargan in northern Afghanistan. A gas station operating on liquefied gas was to demonstrate the advantage of this type of fuel to Afghan drivers.

                That's where I drank laughing
                or another "project" - in 2014, the Pentagon spent 125 million to "stimulate" the US military, namely - on Viagra and other drugs to combat impotence
                1. Captain Pushkin 22 November 2019 11: 44 New
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                  Quote: Ka-52
                  lids are still garbage. The Americans spent $ 43 million to build a gas station (!!!) in Afghanistan (!!!), which closed a year later.

                  This is a trifle, a drink somewhere in Jamaica ...
                  In Syria, the Americans trained 60 militants for the "armed opposition." We spent 500 (five hundred) million dollars (!!!) on this. But they could not present trained militants - it seems that 6 (six) went to the "opposition", while the rest went with weapons to ISIS and similar organizations.
                  This is a serious approach to cutting, this is not a trifle for you to poke into your pockets.
                  In general, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, American warriors could not report for a couple of trillion dollars. Is it possible to do this without bringing anyone in Washington? With such revenues, can interested parties in the Pentagon, the State Department and Congress with the Senate agree to a complete withdrawal of troops from these countries? Yes, not a joke.
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        1. Blackmokona 21 November 2019 13: 05 New
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          Starship has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.
          1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 15 New
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            He (eldership) has no relation to space at all. wink laughing
            I have a barrel on the site. I burn firewood in it. She (barrel) too
            has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.
            lol
            1. den3080 21 November 2019 13: 38 New
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              Quote: Vladimir16
              He (eldership) has no relation to space at all. wink laughing
              I have a barrel on the site. I burn firewood in it. She (barrel) too
              has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.
              lol

              The main thing is do not test your barrel for maximum pressure with cryogenic liquids, or you’ll even blow the cottage :)
              1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 55 New
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                I wanted it in the spring .... winked
                Now I won’t. laughing
      3. loki565 21 November 2019 17: 20 New
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        What do you pay for mentioning Ragozin in any topic ???)))
      4. atalef 21 November 2019 20: 00 New
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        Quote: Civil
        Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.

        Rogozin found a mansion with land worth 300 million rubles
        The head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, together with his father-in-law, owns two neighboring land plots with mansions. The cost of the land and Rogozin’s house is estimated at 350 million rubles, according to an investigation conducted by the Anti-Corruption Fund (FBK) led by Alexei Navalny.

        The area of ​​Rogozin’s villa is 800 square meters, it stands on a plot of 25 acres, but “a month ago the head of Roscosmos expanded his possessions exactly two times,” the investigation said.

        “So now it’s a half-hectare site. And now it’s full of work, like at Vostochny Cosmodrome. They’re building some kind of arbor, building materials everywhere, but you can see the already built impressive bathhouse from the back,”
        According to the declaration for the 2018 year, Rogozin earned 29 million rubles, of which 23,5 million "at the main place of work." During this time, Rogozin appeared Mercedes S560 car for 12 million rubles, his wife - Range Rover for 8 million rubles. The land and residential building are indicated in the Rogozin declaration for the 2018 year.
        1. slipped 21 November 2019 21: 37 New
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          Quote: atalef
          The land and residential building are indicated in the Rogozin declaration for 2018.


          Envy is a terrible force. It just tears apart when your pocket is empty. laughing
    2. Svarog 21 November 2019 13: 03 New
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      When they first showed a photo of this device, the majority expressed doubt that it could take off .. It happened .. laughing
      1. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 10 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        it can take off ..

        Little dry ice crammed into it! Weakly soars.
        1. Polite Moose 21 November 2019 15: 40 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Little dry ice crammed into it! Weakly soars.

          You hesitate, and people have such sorrow: everything that is acquired by excessive labor has all perished ... three quantum supercomputers, three spacesuits with life support systems, a suede jacket are also three ...
          1. Prisoner 21 November 2019 16: 22 New
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            laughing Do not worry.
      2. Maxwrx 21 November 2019 14: 02 New
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        only it took off for 1 km, maneuvered and sat on a neighboring site
      3. Sochi 21 November 2019 14: 33 New
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        So it took off, not only in its entirety, but in parts ... but nevertheless took off.
        1. slipped 21 November 2019 21: 39 New
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          Quote: Sochi
          So it took off, not only in its entirety, but in parts ... but nevertheless took off.


          “With a good engine, the gates will fly” © Glushko. And here is a stool. laughing
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    4. Bar2 21 November 2019 13: 32 New
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      our space! Hi pin_dosam. The ISS is also ours, they will not spoil our toilets.
      1. Civil 21 November 2019 13: 42 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        our space! Hi pin_dosam. The ISS is also ours, they will not spoil our toilets.


        So win, damned Ukrainians will never get on the ISS.
        1. slipped 21 November 2019 21: 42 New
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          Quote: Civil
          Ukrainians will never get on the ISS.


          Oh sure! They didn’t give up to the Americans there for free ... But ours pays for delivery - they will strangle themselves sooner. laughing

          Although the mrias are gnawing, just now at the Dubai Air Show, a cartoon about a farm on the Moon showed:



    5. JD1979 21 November 2019 13: 57 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, I couldn’t ... I couldn’t! ...

      to overpower what is written and understand its meaning)) but it can always be spoiled. while brains do not strain)))

      And what was that?

      And it was:
      Starship Mk1 tested for maximum fuel tank fill with cryogenic liquid


      Or rather, not even Starship Mk1 itself. and stupidly his fuel system is mounted in a dimensional layout. no one will make a full-fledged ship for testing individual components. make stands. But the filing / translation of the material will be left to the conscience of the scribbler. And the top was blown down most likely because in the event of an abnormal termination of the pressure test, the filler of the fuel system was provided through a weakened place so as not to blow the whole stand.

      In short, the combination: Pisaka + chitaka = delusional presentation of information + delusional comments (in both cases the soap activity is minimal)
      1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 14: 07 New
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        Quote: JD1979
        the filler of the fuel system was provided through a weakened place so as not to blow the entire stand.

        You put such a tank on a car? Which just in case weakened area provided!!!
        Why experience what was originally done with a "weakened place"? laughing

        Failed test. Understand the reasons.

        But it is striking that a bunch of sect adepts rushed to justify those whom they didn’t see in their eyes and what they first read about a few minutes ago.

        Quote: JD1979
        in the event of an emergency completion of the pressure test, the filler of the fuel system was provided through weakened place
        wassat laughing
        1. JD1979 21 November 2019 20: 16 New
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          Quote: Vladimir16
          You put such a tank on a car? Which, just in case, provides for a weakened place !!!

          I have a desire to write, but I have no desire to think what I'm writing - it's about you. Where did I write about the weakened place in the tank? The case of the stand in which the fuel system was mounted yes, but not the tank. You still write to the tank factory, so that they do not do blow-out panels, let the towers fly entirely with crews.

          Quote: Vladimir16
          But it is striking that a bunch of sect adepts rushed to justify those whom they didn’t see in their eyes and what they first read about a few minutes ago.

          The same diagnosis, my friend you already seem to hell. You ask yourself a question - why justify some tests and those who conduct them? Get out of the sect of search for sectarians quickly.
          Quote: Vladimir16
          wassat laughing

          My 5 year old daughter, when the arguments end, also starts to make faces and the language shows, I look at your level not far gone.
  2. Dikson 21 November 2019 12: 55 New
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    Some kind of kindergarten ..
    1. iConst 21 November 2019 13: 24 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      Some kind of kindergarten ..

      Aircraft have been “dubbed” for years, and then in half a year they are 100% ready. It’s strange somehow and not seriously.
      1. sabakina 21 November 2019 19: 00 New
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        Kostya, why are you surprised? They sent Apollo to the Moon with living people after a couple of unsuccessful trials ... Russian "maybe" in the Amer manner ...
  3. IGOR GORDEEV 21 November 2019 12: 55 New
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    A test is a test. It happens to everyone?
    1. bouncyhunter 21 November 2019 13: 03 New
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      I am not going to gloat - the trials of the new are almost always fraught with difficulties and failures. But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...
      1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 13: 09 New
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        Pasha, hi. Yes, this is not the case, trials are trials, but in the guru of a sect - His Majesty Musk CONSTANTLY talks about what is not being fulfilled. So who pulled his tongue about the flight six months later? Where are the way criticizing Russia? Adherents of communism and the Jews?
        1. bouncyhunter 21 November 2019 13: 12 New
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          Hi Lesha ! hi
          Quote: Okolotochny
          So who pulled his tongue about the flight six months later?

          Knocked up? wink
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Where are the way criticizing Russia?

          There are already creeps. yes
          1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 13: 14 New
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            Creeps

            Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))
            1. bouncyhunter 21 November 2019 13: 16 New
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              Quote: Okolotochny
              Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))

              So it: born to creep - gives birth and creeps! wassat
            2. Major Yurik 21 November 2019 13: 33 New
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              Quote: Okolotochny
              Creeps

              Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))

              Mdya ..! If the member is a little short, then Putin is to blame! This is how they live, it’s so understandable and understandable to them! laughing
        2. g1washntwn 21 November 2019 13: 39 New
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          Comments like "with whom does not happen" are only about the Mask. About Roskosmos, their emotions are completely different. wink
          1. Gerneton 21 November 2019 19: 14 New
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            Quote: g1washntwn
            Comments like "with whom does not happen" are only about the Mask. About Roskosmos, their emotions are completely different. wink

            so at Mask test stands explode, and at Rogozin satellites launch into the ocean, feel the difference negative
            1. slipped 21 November 2019 21: 54 New
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              Quote: Gerneton
              so Mask explode test benches


              how beautifully pulled this "test bench"



              the brothers of Israel already got ill then sickly

              and here the "stand" burst beautifully



              feel the difference? lol
            2. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 28 New
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              Does Mask have any working flies? Tesla if only))))
        3. Svarog 21 November 2019 13: 51 New
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          Quote: Okolotochny
          Where are the way criticizing Russia? Adherents of communism and the Jews?

          Nasal, apparently in your head porridge laughing Everything is mixed up .. horses .. people
          And here the socialist idea and masks, Jews were also dragged here .. Or want to say that against the background of the Mask’s failure, Rogozin grew up in the eyes of the public .. laughing
          1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 30 New
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            Svarog, so you showed up ...... with Rogozin)))) Above the branch, and your friends, the blackening of Russia from Israel pulled up. Your sectarians of the strawberry king have already burst into tears about dachas and hectares. Uzbeks!
        4. loki565 21 November 2019 17: 31 New
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          As where??? Yes, already on the second comment they shine)))
          Civil (Vadim) Today, 12:55 NEW
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          MOSCOW, November 21 - RIA News. The Investigative Committee has opened two new criminal cases of theft at Vostochny Cosmodrome, Kommersant reports. Both - under the article "Fraud on a large scale", later they were combined into one production.
          We are talking about the loss of 13,8 million and 242,6 million rubles during the construction of the launch complex for the Angara. According to the newspaper, this is due to the provision of “forged documents”, as a result the damage caused to the state amounted to more than 250 million rubles. There are no suspects and defendants yet.

          Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.
          1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 32 New
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            Colleague, yes, he sees everything. In Svarog, the goal was to squeeze in his commentary not filled with content, to boil it so to speak. That he demonstrated with brilliance.
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      2. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 11 New
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        Well, NO, I have no associations that this is a spaceship! Not at all.
        1. bouncyhunter 21 November 2019 13: 14 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Well, NO, I have no associations that this is a spaceship

          Do you think the banal drank loot? lol
          1. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 16 New
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            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Do you think the banal drank loot?

            There may be an excuse for ... investors, for example, or a board that checks for people, in the end !!! Rocket, this is like an illustration of fiction of the Jules Verne era, roughly.
            1. Demon_is_ada 21 November 2019 13: 26 New
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              Victor hi I'm sorry that they exploded crying Such a good undertaking! And Musk is handsome ...
              ... and now they will close the project and will never fly away from this planet crying Can you imagine, they will still vacuum our brains for a long time with their ambitions and claims?
              1. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 40 New
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                Dmitriy soldier
                Quote: Demon_is_ada
                And Musk is handsome ...

                This shot is still that handsome! Only this missile, and even more so could not fly.
                They have something that flies ... now a new one now, flying, to wait or not, go and guess.
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Only this missile, and even more so could not fly.


                  Why couldn’t it? It could. The Americans won the German Fau-2 into space at one time with a movie camera:



                  But this thing is slightly different in design, it was scaled up, put a powerful dviglo with its control system and started up. And there - suddenly it will work out. laughing
                  1. rocket757 22 November 2019 05: 02 New
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                    Quote: slipped
                    Why couldn’t it? Could

                    The question is, are you ready to believe any statements of a particular person?
                    Was there a layout in the picture? made from the bulldozer or a non-flying prototype for testing, which is already NOT possible to do from the bald?
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      Was there a layout in the picture? made from the bulldozer or a non-flying prototype for testing, which is already NOT possible to do from the bald?


                      and the jester knows him lol They straightened his sledgehammer:

                      1. rocket757 22 November 2019 13: 41 New
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                        And earlier they said that with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother from steam locomotives, submarines are riveting!
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        And earlier they said that with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother from steam locomotives, submarines are riveting!


                        latest advanced technology they say laughing
            2. poquello 21 November 2019 18: 42 New
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              Quote: Demon_is_ada
              ... and now they will close the project and will never fly away from this planet

              why so? our project is not closed
    2. LiSiCyn 21 November 2019 13: 17 New
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      Paul hi
      Quote: bouncyhunter
      But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...

      It looks more like a brilliant barrel with huge stabilizers ... A rocket from science fiction of the 30s, of the last century.
      1. bouncyhunter 21 November 2019 13: 21 New
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        Greetings, Stas! hi
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        It looks more like a shiny barrel with huge stabilizers ...

        I won’t even argue about clumsiness. We have the following expression in the Belarusian language: "non-grave pachvaryna." Translated as "awkward monster." lol
        1. LiSiCyn 21 November 2019 14: 10 New
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          Quote: bouncyhunter
          nyzgrabnaya pachvaryna. "Translated as" awkward monster "

          Once again I watched the video ... What if it’s TPK? Slap, the cap shoots back, and Tesla flies out with the driver and the passenger. And to Mars .... On foot, you won’t walk, master (explore). And then immediately with the wheels ... lol
          1. bouncyhunter 22 November 2019 11: 58 New
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            Quote: LiSiCyn
            What if it’s TPK? Slap, the cap shoots back, and Tesla flies out with the driver and the passenger

            Stas hi But what if it’s TPK to start a one-way flight? And given the "peacefulness" of the Americans - I’m not sure that instead of the passenger, there will not be something energetic next to Mask with the inscription: "Martians! We brought you democracy, no matter how you resist!" . yes
            1. LiSiCyn 22 November 2019 13: 15 New
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              Paul hi
              Infa walks on the net, it is possible a fake that the submarine exploded in the South China Sea ... Either Chinese, or mattress ... An explosion with a force of 10 to 20 kilotons. It seems like the nearest countries (Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia) have already recorded a "surge" in radiation. The truth about the tsunami is silent. what
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                Quote: LiSiCyn
                Infa walks on the network, it is possible a fake that a nuclear submarine exploded in the South China Sea.

                I saw in the news feed, and already surfaced in VO. We will observe ...
    3. Amurets 21 November 2019 14: 02 New
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      Quote: bouncyhunter
      I am not going to gloat - the trials of the new are almost always fraught with difficulties and failures. But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...

      Pasha! Hello! Since then, when Brown left, the Americans have not had success in space. Americans have never been strong in rocket engines. Example? They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.
      Quote: Okolotochny
      But that’s not the point, trials are trials,
      The fact is that Americans do not take into account world experience. Examples of the Soviet N-1 rocket do not teach anything, and it had that large number of engines. “On February 21, 1969, the first launch of the rocket took place, then another 3 launches followed. All of them failed. Although during some bench tests the NK-33 engines proved to be very reliable, most of the problems that arose were related to them. The problems of the N-1 were are associated with a turning moment, strong vibration, hydrodynamic shock (when the engines are turned on), electrical noise and other unaccounted for effects that were caused by the simultaneous operation of such a large number of engines (30 at the first stage) and the large size of the carrier itself. "https: / /topwar.ru/25285-raketa-n-1-car-raketa.html
      1. Nikalab 21 November 2019 14: 49 New
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        The fact is that Americans do not take into account world experience

        The falcon heavy has 27 working engines, and nothing, it flew 3 times already. Already half a century has passed, technology has stepped forward a long time ago, so the argument with H-1 does not work from the word at all.

        They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.

        Only one of the available launch vehicles flies.
        1. Lontus 21 November 2019 15: 57 New
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          Quote: Nikalab
          They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.

          Only one of the available launch vehicles flies.

          Do not be fooled by yourself and others!
          More Antares on RD-181
      2. bouncyhunter 22 November 2019 12: 02 New
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        Kolya, hi! hi
        Quote: Amurets
        Example?

        You reasoned enough. good And if you recall how many times the United States has announced the abandonment of Russian rocket engines and manned Soyuz (continuing to use), is it worth believing their words? The question, of course, is rhetorical.
  • OlezhkaKravchenko 21 November 2019 12: 56 New
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    The Americans never knew how to make spaceships and this next failure only once again confirms their lag behind Russia
  • Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 12: 56 New
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    Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.
    1. Vladimir16 21 November 2019 13: 03 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Musk can handle

      “A stone flower does not come out,” thought Danila the master, sitting on his spectacle. wassat
      1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 13: 07 New
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        Is this about N-1 or the "Angara"?
        1. loki565 21 November 2019 17: 40 New
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          no, it's about moon hopper)))
          1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 17: 42 New
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            Is Moonbreaker Bereishit?
            1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 34 New
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              Hyperloop is different.
              1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 23: 55 New
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                Hyperloop? I read this idea in the book of Alexander Kazantsev
                1. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 57 New
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                  This is a mask project. Rough - high-speed transport in a vacuum pipe. Even Russian billionaires invested in it, for example, the Magomedov brothers.
                  1. Zeev Zeev 22 November 2019 00: 21 New
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                    so what's the problem? It will turn out - well, it won’t work out - not paid with my money
                    1. Okolotochny 22 November 2019 12: 33 New
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                      I don’t want to agitate anyone - just look at the chronology of the announcements of the Mask projects and his PROMISES. Compare with the total. In fact, he is only PR. Moreover, the PR is aggressive, the projects are mostly phantasmagoric, most of them are not able to evaluate them right away. He knows this and makes excellent use of it. Time will pass and his promises will be erased from the memory, and the invested third-party money will remain. And who invested then can not admit that they are suckers !!! What they are corny divorced. They are even amused by the thought that they were divorced by MASK.
    2. Gray brother 21 November 2019 13: 07 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      . But Musk can handle it.

      He does nothing there, only collects money.
      1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 13: 09 New
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        Falcon-9. Over the year, only this missile is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian combined.
        1. Gray brother 21 November 2019 13: 14 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Falcon-9. Over the year, only this missile is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian combined.

          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

          And here is the "Bottle"?
          1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 13: 24 New
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            Despite the fact that the "Falcons" is SpaceX Ilona Mask. And if this company made such a successful rocket in 6 years, then Starship will
            1. Gray brother 21 November 2019 13: 30 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Despite the fact that the "Falcons" is SpaceX Ilona Mask

              They NASA merged their development and staff. And they saw this bucket themselves, Musk is not an engineer and not a constructor - he is a capitalist and does what the capitalists usually do, that is, produces loot, not spacecraft.
              I fully admit that this pepelats will ultimately take off and attract even more investment, only there is one problem - it has no filling, no life support system, nothing. Empty bucket with engines.
              1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 13: 32 New
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                What are NASA developments? NASA does not make rockets, this organization only orders development to private firms.
                1. Gray brother 21 November 2019 13: 36 New
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                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  What are NASA developments?

                  Ordinary who did not go into business.
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  this organization only orders development to private firms.

                  Yeah shield say wassat
                  Marshall Space Center: is one of NASA's largest rocket and space research centers.
                  Kennedy Space Center: the development of the functional nodes of the shuttles and the procedures for their launch.
                  Johnson Space Center: manned flights into space, work on the Space Shuttle program, Space Station, monitoring the progress of expeditions, maintaining a guide to astronauts, studying samples of the lunar surface.
                  Stennis Space Center: NASA's largest rocket engine test center. Located in Hancock County, Mississippi near the border with Louisiana.
                  Ames Research Center: information technology, space biology (astrobiology - the study of the origin, evolution and spread of life in the Universe) and research in the areas of operation, capabilities and safety of airplanes; Located at Moffett Federal Airfield Airport, near Mountain View, California.
                  Armstrong Flight Research Center: aerial research, work on the Space Shuttle program.
                  S.P. Langley Research Center.
                  G. G. Glenn Research Center: Aeronautics and Cosmonautics (Astronautics).
                  R.H. Goddard Space Flight Center: astronomy (including the operation of the Hubble Space Telescope and the Compton Gamma Observatory), solar physics, ecology (including climate change and the study of the Earth’s ozone layer).
                  Jet Propulsion Laboratory: planet research (including Galileo, Voyager, Magellan and future expeditions to Mars), environmental research (including Shuttle Imaging Radar and TOPEX / POSEIDON).
                  Wallops: is a space launch site for research by NASA and other US government agencies. It consists of three separate sections with a total area of ​​25 km²: the main base, the center on the mainland, and Wallops Island, where the launch complex is located. The main base is located on the east coast of Virginia ..
                  1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 16: 08 New
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                    These are all research and testing sites for products ordered from third parties.
              2. prodd 21 November 2019 16: 30 New
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                Tell me what kind of oxygen kerosene engines did NASA have in order to drain their spacs? Or maybe NASA had returnable missile blocks? Merlin is a space development exactly like the methane Raptor, which is just a masterpiece. They will be better, but in this case, the pioneers of space
              3. Nikalab 21 November 2019 18: 53 New
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                They NASA merged their development and staff

                May I ask how the "merging" of the staff occurs? Are they serfs? Or they came to them, said: “You are fired, go work to that scammer”? laughing
                there’s only one problem - he doesn’t have any filling, nor a life support system, nothing. Empty bucket with engines.

                And why does a space truck need a life support system? The essence of the starlinck is not so much to carry people as cargo, while maintaining both steps. This is only later they will make a manned ship based on a truck.
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                  Quote: Nikalab
                  Or they came to them, said: “You are fired, go work to that scammer”?

                  They were told "you want a lot of money" and they said they really want to.
        2. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 33 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Falcon-9. Over the year, only this missile is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian combined.

          In total, with test runs from 2015 - 75 launches, the maximum output PN was 8.6 .. Moreover, even the FT PN does not output to the GSO, only to the transition ..
          For comparison .. Proton since 2003 .. - 422 .. on the GSO displays almost 4t .. On the transition Proton displays 7 + t PN
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            1. dvina71 21 November 2019 14: 09 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

              Pff ...
              Nate ..
              https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_fam/proton.htm
              1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 14: 27 New
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                Proton has 422 launches since 1965.
                Falcon has 91 launches since 2010.
          2. prodd 21 November 2019 16: 36 New
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            You’ve been protons for 16 years now, every two weeks they’re flying hard workers, the sarcasm is that it’s just falcons with periods, actually two weeks fly.
          3. Vadim237 22 November 2019 20: 20 New
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            The maximum output load on the reusable Falcon 9 LEO fifth block 5 was 15.6 tons - the 75th launch of 60 mini-satellites. “Even FT PN does not output to the GSO, only to the transition ..” Physically, this rocket does not interfere with the payload of the GSO and the GPO - there are simply no customers with satellites for these orbits, they already exist under contracts for 2020.
        3. Lontus 21 November 2019 16: 00 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          Falcon-9. Over the year, only this missile is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian combined.


          what a blatant lie ..
          And it's easy to check ..

          Everyone is already used to your stupid hutspe.
          1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 16: 31 New
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            2018 year. 20 launches Falcon-9, all successful. 18 launches of Russian missiles (both Soyuz, Rokotov, and Proton), one failure (Soyuz MS-10).
            1. Lontus 21 November 2019 17: 26 New
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              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              2018 year. 20 launches Falcon-9, all successful. 18 launches of Russian missiles (both Soyuz, Rokotov, and Proton), one failure (Soyuz MS-10).

              You are a very naive swindler.
              There were 20 launches of Russian missiles in 2018, not 18.

              second phrase
              Falcon-9. Over the year, only this missile is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian combined.

              implies a repeated action, that is, from year to year.
              you took only one year 2018.
              Then it was necessary to write, they say - "there was even a year (though only one year -2018) when the number of launches of F9 was equal to the number of launches of all Russian LV"

              In 2019, the number of F9 launches is less than Russian launch vehicles.
              Unions alone launched more than F9: 14 vs. 11.
              A total of Russian launches in 2019 already 19 = 14 Unions, 4 Protons, 1 Roar.
              And this is much more indicative, since it is more relevant.
              1. Zeev Zeev 21 November 2019 17: 36 New
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                Firstly, there were 18 orbital launches. Secondly, there will be less this year, more again next year.
    3. Amurets 21 November 2019 14: 12 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.
      Well, yes, if Werner von Braun revives. "1960 was another turning point in the fate of the designer. The von Braun missile center was transferred to the Office of Aeronautics and Space Research, NASA and immediately received an order for the construction of Saturn rockets (Saturn ) Career von Braun continued his rapid ascent, he was appointed the first director of NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, and was also confirmed as chief designer of the Saturn V rocket. intended for manned missions to the moon as part of the Apollo program.In addition, von Braun led the work on artificial satellites of the Earth Explorer and the spacecraft Apollo.

      Former Nazi designer von Braun, who did not wish to surrender to the USSR, became one of the leading space researchers in the United States. The culmination of Werner von Braun's career was 1972, when he was appointed deputy director of NASA and the head of the spaceport at Cape Canaveral. However, in the same year, the US economy experienced a recession, which was one of the reasons for curtailing the lunar program. "Https://topwar.ru/11774-verner-fon-braun-raketnyy-baron-na-sluzhbe-nasa.html with this pores went into decline in the American space industry.
    4. MMX
      MMX 21 November 2019 19: 55 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

      The main thing to believe lol
  • Kerensky 21 November 2019 13: 01 New
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    Mda Why didn’t he cover himself with ice?
    1. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Kerensky
      Mda Why didn’t he cover himself with ice?

      So this is not water, but liquid nitrogen .. Where does the ice come from?
      1. Kerensky 21 November 2019 13: 36 New
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        Where does the ice come from?

        Gennady. Is water vapor in the air? So he should pretend to be ice on the cooled structures.
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          Quote: Kerensky
          Is water vapor in the air?

          Texas sir .. and if present .. how will he create an ice crust? It can settle in the form of a raid, in Russian - frost.
          1. Kerensky 21 November 2019 13: 48 New
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            It can settle in the form of a raid, in Russian - frost.

            And what? Are we watching this on video?
            1. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 49 New
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              Quote: Kerensky
              And what? Are we watching this on video?

              We are witnessing a boom badum products ignoramus .., next .. I will notice ..
  • paul3390 21 November 2019 13: 05 New
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    37 dvigunov, such as working synchronously! Ahrenet what idea ...
    1. donavi49 21 November 2019 13: 13 New
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      Well dviguny just work. Like. This gap is due to the fact that they pumped fuel to the maximum calculated value in the tank. But something went wrong. Or the actual strength turned out to be less than the calculated one. Or the calculations themselves did not take into account something.

      In fact, the tank simply burst under pressure. This is not a fundamental problem. However. If the safe level of pressure turns out to be significantly lower than the calculated one, then this will become a problem.
      1. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 51 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        This gap is due to the fact that they pumped fuel to the maximum calculated value in the tank

        Cryogen ce liquid nitrogen .. and the fuel there is kerosene ..
        Quote: donavi49
        In fact, the tank simply burst under pressure.

        In fact, this is a developer file. The maximum allowable pressure in the tank cannot be calculated ...
        1. prodd 21 November 2019 16: 43 New
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          Lord liquid nitrogen, kerosene ....
          Raptor oxygen is methane, both components to the cryo and from the engine go as boost gases back to the tanks, there is no kerosene there at all, a small amount of nitrogen as a purge gas is not in the cryo. There is an excellent detailed Raptor diagram on the Internet, why invent it?
      2. loki565 21 November 2019 17: 50 New
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        If it burst on a static stand, then there is no margin of safety at all. And what will happen when vibration and overload start on takeoff
  • rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 06 New
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    The first full-scale prototype of SpaceX Starship Mk1 exploded during the next test phase.

    Was this a prototype ship? but not realized someone’s childhood fantasy?
    It looks like a barrel into which "liquid ice" was crammed .... and then a fire was lit underneath!
    1. donavi49 21 November 2019 13: 23 New
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      This is the essence of the commercial concept.

      Innovative engines.
      LNG

      Cheap all other materials and a simple basic assembly process.
      1. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 32 New
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        This is the essence of the commercial concept.

        Exactly, that's the point.
        But, a commercial company must report to shareholders all the same!
        Moreover, there is a “firework” ... although there is rather a lot of fog, because it is definitely not smoke.
        1. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 13: 51 New
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          "must report to shareholders!" ////
          ----
          SpaceX has no shares. This is a private company owned personally by Mask.
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            SpaceX has no shares. This is a private company owned personally by Mask.

            I do not argue .... the reasons may be different.
          2. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 38 New
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            Wrong expressions - in front of customers of the product.
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          And where are the reports? Especially on the investments of the US Defense Ministry? Which by the way are unaudited
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  • Dmitry Gundorov 21 November 2019 13: 09 New
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    Does not explode for those who have nothing to test
  • Thrifty 21 November 2019 13: 09 New
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    The idea of ​​this ship looks like an ordinary adventure. In Soviet times, such a finale would be called the logical result of dizziness from success. Mask clearly has problems with logic, why sculpt a monster when you need to get the maximum profit out of it, creating a real and not a monster-like ship in parallel.
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      he created a real one, now he wanted to, something like that
  • vadimtt 21 November 2019 13: 12 New
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    Tests for maximum occupancy. No wonder - they poured a little and pulled the super-lightweight container. Further, they won’t either pour so much, or a little heavier.
    Everyday business laughing
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    Equipped with 37 Raptor engines, it can ... transport up to 100 people.

    Well, who are these heroes ?! Where will they be searched?
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    Quote: rocket757
    It looks like a barrel into which "liquid ice" was crammed .... and then a fire was lit underneath!

    That was exactly what the engineering plan was. But for some reason it did not take off.
    1. rocket757 21 November 2019 13: 51 New
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      Quote: eckons
      That was exactly what the engineering plan was. But for some reason it did not take off.

      I don’t believe it at the expense of the "engineering plan" ...
  • 1970mk 21 November 2019 13: 17 New
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    So what? We determined what pressure can withstand ... What is the problem then? This is a ground-based prototype and it is for such and intended tests.
    1. K-612-O 21 November 2019 13: 55 New
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      On earth, all this is determined at the development stages, because the product is more expensive, nobody does full-scale tests, it's a little expensive. Mask flag in a fist and US budget pocket.
    2. bk316 21 November 2019 14: 21 New
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      So what?

      Nothing if NOT
      the end of September 2019 and promised to send it into orbit six months later.
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    Perhaps the penguins hastened to abandon our old Unions.
    I wonder where is the second version of Startship? Immediately 3 option .... The second died at the preliminary design stage?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 13: 27 New
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    Quote: vadimtt
    Tests for maximum occupancy. No wonder - they poured a little and pulled the super-lightweight container. Further, they won’t either pour so much, or a little heavier.
    Everyday business laughing

    The designer calls it, learn from mistakes. Positive experience does not teach anything. Well, have reached speed. Is it possible more? It is not clear. The question remained. And when it gets wide, it immediately becomes clear. Reached.
    So Musk has reached. Congratulations on your success and achievement.
  • Guillon 21 November 2019 13: 27 New
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    ... such a result was not completely unexpected.
    good drinks
    That is, they themselves killed him !!! yes Well done! laughing soldier
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 13: 30 New
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    Quote: 1970mk
    So what? We determined what pressure can withstand ... What is the problem then? This is a ground-based prototype and it is for such and intended tests.

    Nothing like that. Just think, another year for a repeat and, possibly, a FULL repeat with an explosion. Just think, the shares of this swindler will fall by a couple of dozen points. Just think, with a dozen cool specialists will go to the competitor. And about DETERMINED. So WHICH WILL BE SUPPORTED? Tell the poor Mask. He didn’t recognize him, after all.
    1. zlinn 21 November 2019 18: 41 New
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      spaceX has no shareholders
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 13: 39 New
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    Quote: Thrifty
    The idea of ​​this ship looks like an ordinary adventure. In Soviet times, such a finale would be called the logical result of dizziness from success. Mask clearly has problems with logic, why sculpt a monster when you need to get the maximum profit out of it, creating a real and not a monster-like ship in parallel.

    Musk is a card sharpie. He is forced to constantly raise rates. How many such promotions has he already made? Reusable rocket. From 1 option Falcon reached 5 options. But the promise of a hundred launches with a frequency of 24 hours did not reach each rocket. I switched to the hard version. Three such models in the drawings. Two Dragons. Finally, in order to bring down the old impression and questions, one is overwhelmed with the imagination. And a hundred astronauts. Trading post on Mars in 22 year. The whole city. Ticket selling. Isn't that a crook? And in his other crazy ideas? Yes, the same thing.
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      one hundred launches with a frequency of 24 hours each missile

      And where is it interesting he will take so much load to start? Now they are already the first in the world in terms of commercial launches, and so they hit the ceiling.
    2. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 18: 04 New
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      Musk is the new Korolev.
      He brought the world astronautics out of hibernation, began a new stage in space exploration.
      All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX
      1. Golovan Jack 21 November 2019 18: 18 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX

        Thank. Very funny laughing
        1. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 19: 01 New
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          Roscosmos is not at all funny. Previously, global satellite providers who wanted to save money turned to Roskosmos for a “hitch,” and now to SpaceX. Russia, Europe (Arian) and Boeing Lockheed (ULA) have lost almost the entire commercial satellite launch market in a couple of years.
          Everything went to Falcon-9.
          Roskosmos still had orders from Moscow Region and a little science.
          Boeing has the Pentagon and NASA. But their Musk lures low prices.
          1. Monar 22 November 2019 04: 15 New
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            Gone. In Fapkon. You remind how many Musk takes for commercial launches and how many lyam more from the state?
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        Are you serious?
    3. Okolotochny 21 November 2019 23: 40 New
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      That's what I constantly talk about - the new Ostap Ibrahimovic with New Vasyuki. I can continue - World Wide Web, Hyperlup.
  • Berkut24 21 November 2019 13: 41 New
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    And I wrote that this crap is not for flying, but for collecting money from investors. And here I was “Maskovity” minus for criticizing the “wings” a la the 60s and the pipe wrapped in foil. So - again, the Mask needs more money for “wings”, a brilliant stainless steel and the next one will certainly fly ...
    1. Nikalab 21 November 2019 14: 54 New
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      to raise money investors

      And how much did he collect?
      a la 60s and foil wrapped pipe

      Nothing, this is just Mk1, he has Mk2 and Mk3 assembled from stainless steel, so there will be many more such pipes.
      1. Berkut24 21 November 2019 16: 02 New
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        And how much did he collect?

        https://habr.com/ru/post/293626/

        SpaceX received $ 5,5 billion worth of contracts from NASA and the US Air Force.
        But so far not one of them has been fulfilled to the end.
        1. Nikalab 21 November 2019 18: 11 New
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          I read the article, but did not find anything criminal in it. The fact that the US government helps manufacturers of green technologies is no secret, this is done in all countries of the West, even an ordinary citizen receives tax benefits when using electric vehicles. And Tesla’s affairs haven’t been going bad lately, a plant is being built in China, and the company has shown profit (you can evaluate the joy of investors at the stock price). By the way, the world leader in introducing green technologies (in terms of total volume) is China.

          SpaceX received about $ 20 million in economic development grants from the State of Texas, on which it builds its own spaceport there, and won tenders for contracts from NASA and US Air Force for a total of $ 5,5 billion.

          But we, I remember, are not discussing Tesla here. You may not know this moment, but the states in the USA are competing among themselves for the investor, and they want to attract employers to their state with tax breaks and subsidies. After all, Space X for Texas is a new job for state residents, a new source of taxes, and as a result, future voter support in local government elections.

          And government contracts are not subsidies, this is a clear order from the company for the provision of certain services for money. With the same success it can be said that the state gives subsidies to a cleaner in the White House.
        2. donavi49 21 November 2019 18: 14 New
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          But after all, all these contracts on 9 are performed correctly:
          This year, the next 3 truck on the ISS - CRS-17, 18 and 19 will fly here in early December. Completely on schedule. After the rocket explosion in the 16 year - under this program there are no time shifts and every year 100% closure.

          As for the manned program, there is a delay. But MaxQ will solve everything in 3 weeks. If ok, then there will be a date for a manned flight. If not, then the Boeing will have the opportunity to catch up and overtake.

          as for the military - there I drank more of the budget in large offices, where the Mask is not allowed. Per state account it is more profitable to launch Deltas at 400mln per rocket than to take Mask from 50mln. The market even decided the Atlases - for how much can you squeeze out of it? The result, for example, in the 2019 year of the military:
          - 1 Atlas, the old one (since 2016, the contract for the 3 output for the Air Force).
          - 1 FalconHavy as part of the launch vehicle certification for the military.
          - 1 Electron within the framework of certification of LV for the military, in the future the Air Force promises a stable order for Beck, but with the condition of launches from the United States. The site will be introduced next year and will be the first launch.
          - as many xnumx expensive deltas, and one Hawick per pollard.


        3. zlinn 21 November 2019 18: 49 New
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          The commercial cargo program was completely fulfilled, and even already exceeded, the raptor, which the Air Force invested in the development, was created and passed tests, including flight, so that only the passenger dragon has not been completed yet, but there is only one serious test left, and you can check
  • Vol4ara 21 November 2019 13: 44 New
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    Quote: Vladimir16
    During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

    Where are they taught ????????? request

    Is Russian language taught at school now? Or do these "writers" study in social networks? request

    And one more question:
    - if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

    Musk drives a car "not fully assembled"?

    But of course Rogozin is to blame. Right, "Civil"?" wassat

    And then we wonder why modern Russian is called cloacal. Yes, because he is cloacal. He didn’t stand next to the language of Lermontov and Pushkin, plus the total illiteracy of even those people who, it would seem, should be literate in the first place ... do you cut a chip?
    1. eckons 21 November 2019 14: 03 New
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      This is you foul. The author’s illiteracy does not give the right to either a professor of higher education or anyone else to call the language cloacal.
      1. Vol4ara 21 November 2019 23: 36 New
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        Quote: eckons
        This is you foul. The author’s illiteracy does not give the right to either a professor of higher education or anyone else to call the language cloacal.

        No illiteracy of the author, and illiteracy of the population, coupled with the abundant use of slang and Americanisms - yes)
        1. eckons 22 November 2019 09: 43 New
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          So take care of his enlightenment, guardian of the purity of the tongue. And rudeness in relation to language and people is not permissible.
  • g1washntwn 21 November 2019 13: 46 New
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    The Apollo also failed to test. And even with calculations and performance characteristics there are still some misunderstandings. But then, in a miraculous and trouble-free manner, they went to the moon to your kitchen! With Mars, the same thing will happen ... and another 150 years on the holivar "flew or not" smile
    1. zlinn 21 November 2019 18: 55 New
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      very accidentally, with accidents in each mission, of varying degrees of severity, and one almost catastrophe, they were just very lucky, but they took a chance and succeeded, today the Apollo would not have passed the certification, that’s mask and risks, and maybe ,, although already quite successful
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 13: 49 New
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    Quote: Vladimir16
    During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

    Where are they taught ????????? request

    Is Russian language taught at school now? Or do these "writers" study in social networks? request

    And one more question:
    - if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

    Musk drives a car "not fully assembled"?

    But of course Rogozin is to blame. Right, "Civil"?" wassat

    LAYOUT test and complete rocket assembly. If you imagine that this happened, then the designer needs to be shot. The test MUST precede the complete assembly. If this happened simultaneously, then to hell? It's too late, after all, to do something if ..... A complete alteration of the finished one. And so, at least a partial alteration.
  • K-612-O 21 November 2019 13: 50 New
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    How do you like Ilon Mask?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 13: 55 New
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    Quote: CARLSON
    Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.
    Here there are bison, they just take a word (democracy, s), there they’re sawing more on one “Excuse me” (not on a project, but on a ship) than on the whole East

    The difference is already in concepts. We cut, a crime, and, sometimes, punishable, they have it in the law and is called lobbying for interests. Not investigated, condemned or punished.
  • Maxwrx 21 November 2019 13: 58 New
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    Author bold minus:
    1. The test for maximum pressure, which means they were looking for ultimate strength, i.e. the destruction was supposed, moreover, they wanted to achieve this in order to find out the weak point of the structure
    2. The engine was specially removed from this ship, nothing expensive remained on it
    3. They decided that this ship would never fly, and concentrated on ships 2 and 3
    4. I remember the same ship was already "exploded". There were shots where he was all on fire, but after a week he had already taken off for 1 km.
    5. And even more so to assert that "can put an end to the program" is generally nonsense. The cost of this water tower (it was built exactly who is engaged in water towers) is insignificant. Spaceics is profitable, stable, and significant investments have already been made in this ship. Engines are developed (the most expensive), the design is approximately developed, the main systems are also (part will go from their Falcon 9 rocket and dragon ship)
    1. eckons 21 November 2019 14: 08 New
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      Do you really think that testing is done like this? They make a structure, and then inflate it until it bursts?
      1. Maxwrx 21 November 2019 14: 18 New
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        Yes, they test on a design sample. If everything shows well on the stand, why can’t I install it after the prototype?

        “In the freeze frame [3rd photo] you can see the very beginning of the breakthrough of the body, it is noticeable that oxygen began to be released, and in an instant it starts from there. Explosion appears to be a weld seam of the tank body, in the place where the top cover is attached to "What is this, poor-quality welding or excessive load on the seam? Investigation will show."

        Those. previously it was the case that caused the explosion, and not the storage / pumping system itself, fueling
  • paul3390 21 November 2019 14: 07 New
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    Quote: donavi49
    Well dviguny just work.

    Anyway - the idea of ​​synchronizing the work of so many engines does not seem successful. The great Korolev didn’t succeed ..
    1. Lontus 21 November 2019 16: 08 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      Quote: donavi49
      Well dviguny just work.

      Anyway - the idea of ​​synchronizing the work of so many engines does not seem successful. The great Korolev didn’t succeed ..

      What a creepy thing?
      How to understand “Korolev didn’t succeed” if he died in 1966 on the operating table?
      3 years before the first flight of the N-1.
      If it weren’t for the killer’s doctors, and then not for the machinations of andropysh saboteurs, everything would have worked with N-1.
    2. prodd 21 November 2019 16: 46 New
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      And the great mask has already flown three times a Heavy Falcon with 27 engines
    3. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 18: 08 New
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      27 engines on Falcon Heavy have successfully worked synchronously already three times.
      Moreover, on the second-hand first steps.
  • The Siberian barber 21 November 2019 14: 10 New
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    Like BE, I have nothing against Mask and his office, for everyone earns as much as he can)) But stainless steel tanks, reminiscent of washing machines of the mid-20th century, are suggestive
    1. EXPrompt 23 November 2019 11: 29 New
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      Quote: Siberian barber
      Like BE, I have nothing against Mask and his office, for everyone earns as much as he can)) But stainless steel tanks, reminiscent of washing machines of the mid-20th century, are suggestive

      Examine the constructs of spice1 - you are not waiting for such shocks, Mask is building the entire rocket and tanks from steel 031 alloy.
      And all this in order not to make a decent thermal protection from ceramics.
      This is a new word in astronautics, because no one has ever used steel in space.
      It just falls on steel as a more heat-resistant material than aluminum alloys or composites that are more characteristic of astronautics.
      1. The Siberian barber 23 November 2019 11: 32 New
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        Maybe you are right)
        But I have the right to skepticism, until there is evidence of action
  • mvmptzna 21 November 2019 14: 21 New
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    Notably pulled.
    Beter Polish NEXT TIME
  • letinant 21 November 2019 14: 57 New
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    I’m risking it now, but still. But you don’t think that the explosion is planned. In the first survey from different angles, it can be seen that the ejection height is different. On the camera that is close, the ejection is lower and the donkey is faster, on the distant ejection is two times higher and hangs longer. During the explosion it is seen that the upper part works as a directed explosion (expelling charge). What kind of white garbage is this, if it is fuel with an oxidizing agent, that would not have ended like that ... oh. Look at the rocket explosion on the launch pad, newsreels are enough. And this white nonsense quickly settles. Something seems to me, Elon Musk, troubled.
  • trophy 21 November 2019 15: 29 New
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    I see no reason for gloating. Absolutely normal testing process of a component of a product. And a negative result is also a result. Moreover, I will reveal a terrible secret: there are such types of tests as destructive tests, and are even widely used in our defense industry. Corrections will be made in the design documentation and the design documentation. and forth.
  • _Ugene_ 21 November 2019 15: 36 New
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    I think they forgot the gravitsap, the pepelats don’t fly without a gravitsap, but this thing is just a pepelats
  • G. Georgiev 21 November 2019 15: 46 New
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    These Americans have a lot of money and bold space projects. And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.
    1. slipped 21 November 2019 21: 25 New
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      Quote: G. Georgiev
      And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.


      Your passage about the "eternal" is unclear. Firstly, the overhead project of the superheavy carrier is called the Yenisei and it was only recently that the designer was transferred to Roscosmos for consideration by experts and appropriate decisions. Secondly, the Samara Rocket and Space Center Progress has already made and started testing tanks of the first stage of the Irtysh rocket (Soyuz-5), which will also be used in the Yenisei project. After testing the tanks, they will fasten the RD-171MV engine, which is now being prepared at NPO Energomash and already at the beginning of next year, tentatively - in February, they will begin firing bench tests of the stage.
  • NF68 21 November 2019 16: 16 New
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    Russia has not yet been blamed? Or are they still looking for the "culprits"?
  • G. Georgiev 21 November 2019 16: 33 New
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    I think that humor is inappropriate here because of the unenviable position of Russia as an observant and dormant country with conservative and constantly protracted projects and personnel of a bygone era.
    1. awg75 21 November 2019 17: 25 New
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      do not choke on bile. that's what, and in rocket science we are at least among the leaders.
  • awg75 21 November 2019 16: 34 New
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    as a child I read a book with Nosov’s pictures “Dunno on the Moon”. when I saw the American miracle, I thought that Nikolai Nikolaevich still managed to draw in the blueprints of the rockets to Ilona Mask)))
    1. Monar 21 November 2019 17: 39 New
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      Well, what are you? Nosov even had a fairing. And here is just a saucepan.
    2. Genry 21 November 2019 22: 37 New
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      Quote: awg75
      as a child I read a book with Nosov’s pictures “Dunno on the Moon”. when I saw the American miracle, I thought that Nikolai Nikolaevich still managed to draw in the blueprints of the rockets to Ilona Mask)))

      And I immediately thought that Musk took a props from some movie studio of the time of the "silent" movie. Then the fashion was for such fins.
  • Politruk-m 21 November 2019 17: 28 New
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    Neoliberals and other "comrade whiners" in mourning .. laughing Here you have yours and Elon Musk and the vaunted American space technology ..
    I feel now the arrows on Rogozin and Roskosmos will translate and begin to whine about theft, etc. hi
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 17: 34 New
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    Quote: MaxWRX
    Author bold minus:
    1. The test for maximum pressure, which means they were looking for ultimate strength, i.e. the destruction was supposed, moreover, they wanted to achieve this in order to find out the weak point of the structure
    2. The engine was specially removed from this ship, nothing expensive remained on it
    3. They decided that this ship would never fly, and concentrated on ships 2 and 3
    4. I remember the same ship was already "exploded". There were shots where he was all on fire, but after a week he had already taken off for 1 km.
    5. And even more so to assert that "can put an end to the program" is generally nonsense. The cost of this water tower (it was built exactly who is engaged in water towers) is insignificant. Spaceics is profitable, stable, and significant investments have already been made in this ship. Engines are developed (the most expensive), the design is approximately developed, the main systems are also (part will go from their Falcon 9 rocket and dragon ship)

    In order to state THOUGHT, it must be had. You do not understand the basics. Nothing was filmed. You cannot distinguish a PROTOTYPE from a finished product, a rocket, in this case.
    The PROTOTYPE is made ONLY in the form, in that configuration, in those sizes, in those materials and technologies in which it is enough to check only what is needed in a particular case. The prototype can be in the form of a truss, and not the body of the rocket on which the engine is mounted, or a tank with something, for testing for vibration or shock resistance. In this case, a prototype was tested in which tanks were installed. For what-an oxidizer (oxygen), fuel (hydrogen), pressurization to displace both (helium) - I do not know. And you too. The most expensive thing in a space rocket is not an engine. The control system for feeding, regulating and other things with this engine. The control algorithm for these devices, leading to extremely forced modes, however, with a sufficient margin of viability. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.
  • Monar 21 November 2019 17: 35 New
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    Okay. Mask has its own test. But did he navigate stabilizers to him?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 17: 43 New
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    Quote: G. Georgiev
    These Americans have a lot of money and bold space projects. And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.

    However, the first Bulgarian cosmonaut (and the only one, even looking at friendship with a penguin) was and flew on a Soviet ship.
    Now we are not in the best economic shape. Correct. What did they say in the old days? Give only time, give only a period, there will be a protein for you, there will be a whistle. But rich and burdened with ideas penguins fly on our Union. But this case adds us another year. I will answer a question with a question - where are Bulgarian tomatoes, tobacco, electronics and shipbuilding?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 17: 54 New
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    Quote: Dikson
    Some kind of kindergarten ..

    Aircraft have been “dubbed” for years, and then in half a year they are 100% ready. It’s strange somehow and not seriously.

    This is not strange. The strange thing is that you do not distinguish between reality and plans. The plans are huge, in 20 the city on Mars, but the reality is ........ Okay to listen to the lies Mask. He loots out of the budget. But listening to some of our enthusiastic jerks is already too much.
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 18: 38 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Musk is the new Korolev.
    He brought the world astronautics out of hibernation, began a new stage in space exploration.
    All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX

    Compare God's gift with fried eggs. Korolev did not create a rocket. He created rocket science, instrumentation, mathematics, astronomy, metallurgy, precision mechanics, optics and much more. His energy moved all these industries to a new, then, unprecedented, height. Musk came to everything ready. Taking the fifty engines remaining from the lunar program, which he called his own. Design bureaus, stands, launching pads, materials, devices and patents. By his arrival in the country and in the world, much had already been achieved.
    Specifically, what did he do as an engineer? NOTHING. A dough saw that does everything on tolling materials. Eater of billions of dollars. And, not only in astronautics. In any other business, there is nothing but promises and deceit. Transfer?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 18: 45 New
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    Quote: Trofim
    I see no reason for gloating. Absolutely normal testing process of a component of a product. And a negative result is also a result. Moreover, I will reveal a terrible secret: there are such types of tests as destructive tests, and are even widely used in our defense industry. Corrections will be made in the design documentation and the design documentation. and forth.

    He did not hire a lawyer. Here, not the fact of his accident is considered, but the degree of his scam and promise. Accidents happen. But not a single one of them sells tickets to Mars without even making an experimental rocket and testing it in practice. Musk is selling tickets. You do not have enough brains to understand IT.
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      So you do not have enough money for a ticket? laughing
  • zlinn 21 November 2019 19: 04 New
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    [quote = MaxWRX] A. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.

    in raptor only, this does not apply,
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    spaceX has no shareholders

    Mask has shareholders. Mask is funded by the government. For nothing, did they give 5 billion dough?
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 19: 30 New
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    Quote: zlinn
    Quote: wkd dvk
    [quote = MaxWRX] A. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.

    in raptor only, this does not apply,

    How much? The launch into orbit lasts minutes. And with the change of two or three steps. Do not you think that reusable use is done as after a bus stop and a new movement until the next stop? After using it there is a semi-annual nightmare with a repair.
  • Vkd dvk 21 November 2019 19: 39 New
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    Quote: prodd
    Tell me what kind of oxygen kerosene engines did NASA have in order to drain their spacs? Or maybe NASA had returnable missile blocks? Merlin is a space development exactly like the methane Raptor, which is just a masterpiece. They will be better, but in this case, the pioneers of space

    Merlin Musk got ready. With fifty pieces written off after the completion of the lunar program. Podshamanil, using the services transferred to him by the Design Bureau, using the equipment transferred to him, the stands, the launch complex, patents, electronics, and other things, already ready for his arrival in the space program.
  • Vkd dvk 22 November 2019 00: 14 New
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    That's what I constantly talk about - the new Ostap Ibrahimovic with New Vasyuki. I can continue - World Wide Web, Hyperlup.

    Add- Martian cities in 2020. Home solar roofs with the return of electricity to the grid, metro transporting CARs with passengers in them, immersing them in their gut from the platforms on the highway, from the street and taking them according to the given program to the right place, moving arrows from the car along the route, and unloading it to the surface by achievement of the assignment. Gigawatt storage batteries, consisting of TENS OF MILLION finger-type Chinese Panasonic batteries. Electric cars, with recharging from home outlets, and with autonomy of 600 km per day.
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    So you do not have enough money for a ticket? laughing

    I'm still out of my mind. And you?