SpaceX Starship Mk1 prototype explodes on tests

The first full-scale prototype of SpaceX Starship Mk1 exploded during the next test phase. It is reported by NASAspaceflight.

The site, which posted the video of the incident, said the tests took place on Wednesday, November 20 at the Boca Chica test site in southern Texas, owned by SpaceX. The prototype Starship Mk1 spacecraft was tested for maximum filling of the fuel tanks with cryogenic liquid, resulting in an explosion that ripped off the top of the rocket. During the tests, the ship itself was still at the final assembly stage.

The purpose of this test was to maximize the pressure increase in the systems, so this result was not completely unexpected

- stated in the company.

This accident can put an end to the Starship Mk1 rocket and slow down the program for creating a spacecraft as a whole, experts in the space field say. According to reports, the company SpaceX now plans to deal with an improved version of the rocket - Mk3.

Recall that Elon Musk made a presentation of his Starship Mk1 spacecraft at the end of September 2019 and promised to send it into orbit six months later. He promised that the first test flight of the ship will take place in one to two months. In this case, Starship Mk1 will rise to a height of 20 km.

Musk spoke about his ship project and its structure. According to him, in the final version Starship Mk1 will have a height of almost 50 meters, the mass with a full load of fuel is 1400 tons. Equipped with Raptor 37 engines, it will be able to launch up to 150 tons of load into orbit or transport people to 100.

It was previously reported that the Starship spacecraft should become the largest and most heavily manned spacecraft in stories. The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the moon and Mars. In the Starship Super Heavy version, it will be more powerful and heavier than the NASA Saturn V rocket, which delivered the Apollo astronauts to the moon.

The company planned to start commercial flights on Starship in the 2022 year.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, I couldn’t ... I couldn’t! ...

[Civil]

MOSCOW, November 21 - RIA Novosti. The Investigative Committee has opened two new criminal cases of embezzlement at the Vostochny cosmodrome, Kommersant reports. Both - under the article "Fraud on an especially large scale", later they were combined into one production.
We are talking about the loss of 13,8 million and 242,6 million rubles during the construction of the launch complex for the Angara. According to the newspaper, this is due to the provision of "forged documents", as a result of the damage to the state amounted to more than 250 million rubles. There are no suspects or accused yet.

Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.

[Vladimir16]

Mask exploded rocket.
Is Rogozin to blame?
Have you tried to drink valerian?

Write about pensions.

[Vladimir16]

During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

Where are they taught ?????????

Is the Russian language taught at school now? Or are these "writers" learning on social media?

And one more question:
- if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

Does Musk drive a car "not fully assembled"?

But Rogozin is of course to blame. Right, "Civil"?

[Major Yurik]

Where are they taught ????????? request

Is the Russian language taught at school now? Or are these "writers" learning on social media? request

Do not believe me, they are so tormented, but Google helps .....

[Shurik70]

Very strange bird behavior.
Explosion. Everything around is filled with ice fog from spilled liquid oxygen.
And birds fly in droves in droves on the border of the fog, do not fly away.
Nests covered with fog? Since it seems to be not the season, the chicks have already been bred.

[voyaka uh]

"if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the goof to experiment with it?" ////
----
The rocket (prototype) was without a head part.
Only the filling of the tanks with fuel was checked.

[Vladimir16]

Warrior, then tell me why install a fuel tank that has not been previously tested?
All this is a scam.
The tower was torn down impressively.

Even on the heating system in the house they put pressure gauges and use pipes, tanks and boilers withstanding the required pressure and temperature.

A swindler and Musk and his accomplices if they have fuel tanks like a sieve.

[Okolotochny]

There is an explanation, by the way it fits into the Concept of the Mask - Show Visibility of activity and the presence of any results. You can take all of his projects for analysis.

[orionvitt]

Quote: voyaka uh

Checked only fuel tank filling

And how, checked? Apparently, yes.

[Souchastnik]

And one more question:
- if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

Everything seems to be written: The prototype Starship Mk1 spacecraft was tested for maximum filling of fuel tanks with cryogenic liquid. Or did you have to collect everything, check the operability of everything and everything, and then fill in the fuel so that it fails with all the expensive equipment?

[PalBor]

This is a common practice: no matter what happens, say that it was intended. Like, during the state acceptance of the building, a wall collapsed. The foreman, looking at his watch, joyfully: "Oh! Exactly at 11.30!"

[Civil]

Quote: Vladimir16

Mask exploded rocket.
Is Rogozin to blame?
Have you tried to drink valerian?

Write about pensions.

And what to write about them? Those who raised their pensions are themselves to blame when they watched on television in 1991 how the USSR was falling apart.
Rogozin boch, there is nothing to blame him. It is time to establish an alliance of free support Rogozin. And then paid Rogozin fans immediately minus. And so, with all my heart.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Civil

Rogozin Boch

Civilian, what is "boch"?

And tell how Rogozin barrel Mask blew.

[Civil]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: Civil

Rogozin Boch

Civilian, what is "boch"?

And tell how Rogozin barrel Mask blew.

And what are your prices at Roscosmos for such comments?) Judging by their mass numbers - not bad) It would be better if they would have spent on immediate functions ... although on the news, you can’t.

[Prisoner]

And what are the prices for your comments, if not secret?

[Okolotochny]

Strawberries are paid or income from it.

[vargo]

Yes, just a strange habit to see cons everywhere. If they are discussing problems with us, then no one writes that over there the Mask rocket exploded. And just as Mask’s rocket exploded, so soon a crowd of clerks flies up and come on about pensions, about Rogozin, about thefts and generally about how to survive.
Evaluate the event separately from the context, please, and they will not minus you. Everything is simple.

[CARLSON]

Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.
There are bison there, they just take their word for it (democracy, sir), there they saw more on one "Zamalite" (not a project, but a ship) than on the whole Vostochny

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: CARLSON

Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.

About twenty years ago there was another scandal over the procurement of the Pentagon. The list is not small with prices.
I don’t remember everything, but the toilet covers for $ 8.000 apiece were impressive.
I dreamed of looking at them with at least one eye, or at least seeing a photo, but not fate, everything was a secret ...

[Ka-52]

I dreamed of looking at them with at least one eye, or at least seeing a photo, but not fate, everything was a secret ...

lids are still garbage. Americans spent 43 million for the construction of a gas station (!!!) in Afghanistan (!!!), which closed a year later.

According to a report submitted by the Office of the Special Inspector General for Reconstruction of Afghanistan (SIGAR) on November 3, 2015, $ 43 million was spent on the construction of a gas station in the city of Shibargan in northern Afghanistan. A gas station operating on liquefied gas was to demonstrate the advantage of this type of fuel to Afghan drivers.

That's where I drank
or another "project" - in 2014 the Pentagon spent 125 million to "stimulate" the American military, namely - on Viagra and other drugs to combat impotence

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ka-52

lids are still garbage. The Americans spent $ 43 million to build a gas station (!!!) in Afghanistan (!!!), which closed a year later.

This is a trifle, a drink somewhere in Jamaica ...
In Syria, the Americans trained 60 fighters for the "armed opposition." We spent 500 (five hundred) million dollars on this (!!!). But they could not present trained militants - it seems that 6 (six) went to the "oppositionists", and the rest went to ISIS and similar organizations with weapons.
This is a serious approach to cutting, this is not a trifle for you to poke into your pockets.
In general, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, American warriors could not report for a couple of trillion dollars. Is it possible to do this without bringing anyone in Washington? With such revenues, can interested parties in the Pentagon, the State Department and Congress with the Senate agree to a complete withdrawal of troops from these countries? Yes, not a joke.

[Blackmokona]

Starship has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.

[Vladimir16]

He (eldership) has no relation to space at all.
I have a barrel on the site. I burn firewood in it. She (barrel) too

has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.

[den3080]

Quote: Vladimir16

He (eldership) has no relation to space at all.
I have a barrel on the site. I burn firewood in it. She (barrel) too

has nothing to do with the delivery of astronauts to the ISS.

The main thing is do not test your barrel for maximum pressure with cryogenic liquids, or you’ll even blow the cottage :)

[Vladimir16]

I wanted it in the spring ....
Now I won’t.

[loki565]

What do you pay for mentioning Ragozin in any topic ???)))

[atalef]

Quote: Civil

Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.

Rogozin found a mansion with land worth 300 million rubles
The head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, together with his father-in-law, owns two neighboring land plots with mansions. The cost of Rogozin's land and house is estimated at 350 million rubles, according to an investigation conducted by the Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK), headed by Alexei Navalny.

The area of ​​Rogozin's villa is 800 square meters, it stands on a plot of 25 acres, but "a month ago, the head of Roscosmos expanded his property exactly twice," the investigation says.

"That is, now this is a half-hectare site. And now work is in full swing on it, like at the Vostochny cosmodrome. They are erecting some kind of gazebo, everywhere building materials, but from behind you can see an already built impressive bathhouse",
According to the declaration for 2018, Rogozin earned 29 million rubles, of which 23,5 million "at the main place of work." During this time Rogozin got a Mercedes S560 car for 12 million rubles, his wife got a Range Rover for 8 million rubles. The land plot and residential building are specified in Rogozin's 2018 declaration.

[slipped]

Quote: atalef

The land and residential building are indicated in the Rogozin declaration for 2018.

Envy is a terrible force. It just tears apart when your pocket is empty.

[Svarog]

When they first showed a photo of this device, the majority expressed doubt that it could take off .. It happened ..

[rocket757]

Quote: Svarog

it can take off ..

Little dry ice was stuffed into it! Weakly "soars".

[Polite Moose]

Quote: rocket757

Little dry ice was stuffed into it! Weakly "soars".

You hesitate, and people have such sorrow: everything that is acquired by excessive labor has all perished ... three quantum supercomputers, three spacesuits with life support systems, a suede jacket are also three ...

[Prisoner]

Do not worry.

[Maxwrx]

only it took off for 1 km, maneuvered and sat on a neighboring site

[Sochi]

So it took off, not only in its entirety, but in parts ... but nevertheless took off.

[slipped]

Quote: Sochi

So it took off, not only in its entirety, but in parts ... but nevertheless took off.

"With a good engine, the gate will fly" © Glushko. And here is a stool.

[Bar2]

our space! Hi pin_dosam. The ISS is also ours, they will not spoil our toilets.

[Civil]

Quote: Bar2

our space! Hi pin_dosam. The ISS is also ours, they will not spoil our toilets.

So win, damned Ukrainians will never get on the ISS.

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

Ukrainians will never get on the ISS.

Oh sure! They didn’t give up to the Americans there for free ... But ours pays for delivery - they will strangle themselves sooner.

Although the mrias are gnawing, just now at the Dubai Air Show, a cartoon about a farm on the Moon showed:

[JD1979]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, I couldn’t ... I couldn’t! ...

to overpower what is written and understand its meaning)) but it can always be spoiled. while brains do not strain)))

And what was that?

And it was:

Starship Mk1 tested for maximum fuel tank fill with cryogenic liquid

Or rather, not even Starship Mk1 itself. and stupidly his fuel system is mounted in a dimensional layout. no one will make a full-fledged ship for testing individual components. make stands. But the filing / translation of the material will be left to the conscience of the scribbler. And the top was blown down most likely because in the event of an abnormal termination of the pressure test, the filler of the fuel system was provided through a weakened place so as not to blow the whole stand.

In short, the combination: Pisaka + chitaka = delusional presentation of information + delusional comments (in both cases the soap activity is minimal)

[Vladimir16]

Quote: JD1979

the filler of the fuel system was provided through a weakened place so as not to blow the entire stand.

You put such a tank on a car? Which just in case weakened area provided!!!
Why experience what was originally done with a "weak point"?

Failed test. Understand the reasons.

But it is striking that a bunch of sect adepts rushed to justify those whom they didn’t see in their eyes and what they first read about a few minutes ago.

Quote: JD1979

in the event of an emergency completion of the pressure test, the filler of the fuel system was provided through weakened place

[JD1979]

Quote: Vladimir16

You put such a tank on a car? Which, just in case, provides for a weakened place !!!

I have a desire to write, but I have no desire to think what I'm writing - it's about you. Where did I write about the weakened place in the tank? The case of the stand in which the fuel system was mounted yes, but not the tank. You still write to the tank factory, so that they do not do blow-out panels, let the towers fly entirely with crews.

Quote: Vladimir16

But it is striking that a bunch of sect adepts rushed to justify those whom they didn’t see in their eyes and what they first read about a few minutes ago.

The same diagnosis, my friend you already seem to hell. You ask yourself a question - why justify some tests and those who conduct them? Get out of the sect of search for sectarians quickly.

Quote: Vladimir16

Wassat laughing

My 5 year old daughter, when the arguments end, also starts to make faces and the language shows, I look at your level not far gone.

[Dikson]

Some kind of kindergarten ..

[iConst]

Quote: Dikson

Some kind of kindergarten ..

Airplanes "finish" for years, and here in half a year and 100% readiness. Strange somehow and not serious.

[sabakina]

Kostya, why are you surprised? They sent Apollo to the moon with living people after a couple of unsuccessful tests ... Russian "maybe" in the American manner ...

[IGOR GORDEEV]

A test is a test. It happens to everyone?

[bouncyhunter]

I am not going to gloat - the trials of the new are almost always fraught with difficulties and failures. But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...

[Okolotochny]

Pasha, hi. Yes, this is not the case, trials are trials, but in the guru of a sect - His Majesty Musk CONSTANTLY talks about what is not being fulfilled. So who pulled his tongue about the flight six months later? Where are the way criticizing Russia? Adherents of communism and the Jews?

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Lesha !

Quote: Okolotochny

So who pulled his tongue about the flight six months later?

Knocked up?

Quote: Okolotochny

Where are the way criticizing Russia?

There are already creeps.

[Okolotochny]

Creeps

Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Okolotochny

Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))

So it: born to creep - gives birth and creeps!

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Okolotochny

Creeps

Yes zadolbali already ... crawl)))

Mdya ..! If the member is a little short, then Putin is to blame! This is how they live, it’s so understandable and understandable to them!

[g1washntwn]

Comments like "who does not happen" only about the Mask. Their emotions about Roscosmos are completely different.

[Gerneton]

Quote: g1washntwn

Comments like "who does not happen" only about the Mask. Their emotions about Roscosmos are completely different.

so at Mask test stands explode, and at Rogozin satellites launch into the ocean, feel the difference

[slipped]

Quote: Gerneton

so Mask explode test benches

how beautifully this "test bench" exploded



the brothers of Israel already got ill then sickly

and here the "stand" burst beautifully



feel the difference?

[Okolotochny]

Does Mask have any working flies? Tesla if only))))

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

Where are the way criticizing Russia? Adherents of communism and the Jews?

Nasal, apparently in your head porridge Everything is mixed up .. horses .. people
And here the socialist idea and masks, Jews were also dragged here .. Or want to say that against the background of the Mask’s failure, Rogozin grew up in the eyes of the public ..

[Okolotochny]

Svarog, so you showed up ...... with Rogozin)))) Above the branch, and your friends, the blackening of Russia from Israel pulled up. Your sectarians of the strawberry king have already burst into tears about dachas and hectares. Uzbeks!

[loki565]

As where??? Yes, already on the second comment they shine)))

Civil (Vadim) Today, 12:55 NEW
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MOSCOW, November 21 - RIA Novosti. The Investigative Committee has opened two new criminal cases of embezzlement at the Vostochny cosmodrome, Kommersant reports. Both - under the article "Fraud on an especially large scale", later they were combined into one production.
We are talking about the loss of 13,8 million and 242,6 million rubles during the construction of the launch complex for the Angara. According to the newspaper, this is due to the provision of "forged documents", as a result of the damage to the state amounted to more than 250 million rubles. There are no suspects or accused yet.

Musk goof, Rogozin resolves.

[Okolotochny]

Colleague, yes, he sees everything. In Svarog, the goal was to squeeze in his commentary not filled with content, to boil it so to speak. That he demonstrated with brilliance.

[rocket757]

Well, NO, I have no associations that this is a spaceship! Not at all.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: rocket757

Well, NO, I have no associations that this is a spaceship

Do you think the banal drank loot?

[rocket757]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Do you think the banal drank loot?

There may be an excuse for ... investors, for example, or a board that checks for people, in the end !!! Rocket, this is like an illustration of fiction of the Jules Verne era, roughly.

[Demon_is_ada]

Victor I'm sorry that they exploded Such a good undertaking! And Musk is handsome ...
... and now they will close the project and will never fly away from this planet Can you imagine, they will still vacuum our brains for a long time with their ambitions and claims?

[rocket757]

Dmitriy

Quote: Demon_is_ada

And Musk is handsome ...

This shot is still that handsome! Only this missile, and even more so could not fly.
They have something that flies ... now a new one now, flying, to wait or not, go and guess.

[slipped]

Quote: rocket757

Only this missile, and even more so could not fly.

Why couldn’t it? It could. The Americans won the German Fau-2 into space at one time with a movie camera:

But this thing is slightly different in design, it was scaled up, put a powerful dviglo with its control system and started up. And there - suddenly it will work out.

[rocket757]

Quote: slipped

Why couldn’t it? Could

The question is, are you ready to believe any statements of a particular person?
Was there a layout in the picture? made from the bulldozer or a non-flying prototype for testing, which is already NOT possible to do from the bald?

[slipped]

Quote: rocket757

Was there a layout in the picture? made from the bulldozer or a non-flying prototype for testing, which is already NOT possible to do from the bald?

and the jester knows him They straightened his sledgehammer:

[rocket757]

And earlier they said that with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother from steam locomotives, submarines are riveting!

[slipped]

Quote: rocket757

And earlier they said that with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother from steam locomotives, submarines are riveting!

latest advanced technology they say

[poquello]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

... and now they will close the project and will never fly away from this planet

why so? our project is not closed

[LiSiCyn]

Paul

Quote: bouncyhunter

But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...

It looks more like a brilliant barrel with huge stabilizers ... A rocket from science fiction of the 30s, of the last century.

[bouncyhunter]

Greetings, Stas!

Quote: LiSiCyn

It looks more like a shiny barrel with huge stabilizers ...

I won't even argue about clumsiness. We have such an expression in the Belarusian language: "nyazgrabnaya pachvaryna". Translated as "awkward monster".

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: bouncyhunter

nyazgrabnaya pachvaryna. "Translated as" clumsy monster "

Once again I watched the video ... What if it’s TPK? Slap, the cap shoots back, and Tesla flies out with the driver and the passenger. And to Mars .... On foot, you won’t walk, master (explore). And then immediately with the wheels ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: LiSiCyn

What if it’s TPK? Slap, the cap shoots back, and Tesla flies out with the driver and the passenger

Stas And if this is a TPK for the start of a one-way flight? And given the "peacefulness" of the Americans, I am not sure that instead of a passenger next to Musk there will not be something vigorous with the inscription: "Martians! We brought you democracy, no matter how you resist!" ...

[LiSiCyn]

Paul
Infa is walking on the network, perhaps a fake that a nuclear submarine exploded in the South China Sea ... Either Chinese, or a mattress ... An explosion with a force of 10 to 20 kilotons. It seems like the nearest countries (Vietnam, Taiwan, Indonesia) have already recorded a "burst" of radiation. The truth about the tsunami, they are silent.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Infa walks on the network, it is possible a fake that a nuclear submarine exploded in the South China Sea.

I saw in the news feed, and already surfaced in VO. We will observe ...

[Amurets]

Quote: bouncyhunter

I am not going to gloat - the trials of the new are almost always fraught with difficulties and failures. But the cap of the ship nobly shot ...

Pasha! Hello! Since then, when Brown left, the Americans have not had success in space. Americans have never been strong in rocket engines. Example? They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.

Quote: Okolotochny

But that’s not the point, trials are trials,

The fact is that the Americans do not take into account world experience. The examples of the Soviet N-1 rocket teach nothing, but it had that large number of engines. "On February 21, 1969, the first rocket launch took place, followed by 3 more launches. All of them were unsuccessful. Although during some bench tests the NK-33 engines proved to be very reliable, most of the problems that arose were associated with them. The problems of the N-1 were associated with the unfolding torque, strong vibration, hydrodynamic shock (when the engines are turned on), electrical noise and other unaccounted for effects that were caused by the simultaneous operation of such a large number of engines (at the first stage - 30) and the large size of the carrier itself. "https: / /topwar.ru/25285-raketa-n-1-car-raketa.html

[Nikalab]

The fact is that Americans do not take into account world experience

The falcon heavy has 27 working engines, and nothing, it flew 3 times already. Already half a century has passed, technology has stepped forward a long time ago, so the argument with H-1 does not work from the word at all.

They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.

Only one of the available launch vehicles flies.

[Lontus]

Quote: Nikalab

They are now flying on our RD-180 into space.

Only one of the available launch vehicles flies.

Do not be fooled by yourself and others!
More Antares on RD-181

[bouncyhunter]

Kolya, hi!

Quote: Amurets

Example?

You reasoned enough. And if you remember how many times the United States has declared its abandonment of Russian rocket engines and manned "Soyuz" (while continuing to use), is it worth believing their words? The question is, of course, rhetorical.

[OlezhkaKravchenko]

The Americans never knew how to make spaceships and this next failure only once again confirms their lag behind Russia

[Zeev Zeev]

Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Musk can handle

"The stone flower does not come out" - thought Danila the master sitting on the spectacle.

[Zeev Zeev]

Is it about N-1 or "Angara"?

[loki565]

no, it's about moon hopper)))

[Zeev Zeev]

Is Moonhopper a Bereshit?

[Okolotochny]

Hyperloop is different.

[Zeev Zeev]

Hyperloop? I read this idea in the book of Alexander Kazantsev

[Okolotochny]

This is a mask project. Rough - high-speed transport in a vacuum pipe. Even Russian billionaires invested in it, for example, the Magomedov brothers.

[Zeev Zeev]

so what's the problem? It will turn out - well, it won’t work out - not paid with my money

[Okolotochny]

I don’t want to agitate anyone - just look at the chronology of the announcements of the Mask projects and his PROMISES. Compare with the total. In fact, he is only PR. Moreover, the PR is aggressive, the projects are mostly phantasmagoric, most of them are not able to evaluate them right away. He knows this and makes excellent use of it. Time will pass and his promises will be erased from the memory, and the invested third-party money will remain. And who invested then can not admit that they are suckers !!! What they are corny divorced. They are even amused by the thought that they were divorced by MASK.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

. But Musk can handle it.

He does nothing there, only collects money.

[Zeev Zeev]

Falcon-9. Over the course of a year, this missile alone is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian ones combined.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Falcon-9. Over the course of a year, this missile alone is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian ones combined.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

And here "Flacon"?

[Zeev Zeev]

Given that Falcon is Elon Musk's SpaceX. And if this company has made such a successful rocket in 6 years, then Starship will make

[Gray brother]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Despite the fact that "Falcon" is SpaceX Elon Musk

They NASA merged their development and staff. And they saw this bucket themselves, Musk is not an engineer and not a constructor - he is a capitalist and does what the capitalists usually do, that is, produces loot, not spacecraft.
I fully admit that this pepelats will ultimately take off and attract even more investment, only there is one problem - it has no filling, no life support system, nothing. Empty bucket with engines.

[Zeev Zeev]

What are NASA developments? NASA does not make rockets, this organization only orders development to private firms.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

What are NASA developments?

Ordinary who did not go into business.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

this organization only orders development to private firms.

Yeah shield say

Marshall Space Center: is one of NASA's largest rocket and space research centers.
Kennedy Space Center: the development of the functional nodes of the shuttles and the procedures for their launch.
Johnson Space Center: manned flights into space, work on the Space Shuttle program, Space Station, monitoring the progress of expeditions, maintaining a guide to astronauts, studying samples of the lunar surface.
Stennis Space Center: NASA's largest rocket engine test center. Located in Hancock County, Mississippi near the border with Louisiana.
Ames Research Center: information technology, space biology (astrobiology - the study of the origin, evolution and spread of life in the Universe) and research in the areas of operation, capabilities and safety of airplanes; Located at Moffett Federal Airfield Airport, near Mountain View, California.
Armstrong Flight Research Center: aerial research, work on the Space Shuttle program.
S.P. Langley Research Center.
G. G. Glenn Research Center: Aeronautics and Cosmonautics (Astronautics).
R.H. Goddard Space Flight Center: astronomy (including the operation of the Hubble Space Telescope and the Compton Gamma Observatory), solar physics, ecology (including climate change and the study of the Earth’s ozone layer).
Jet Propulsion Laboratory: planet research (including Galileo, Voyager, Magellan and future expeditions to Mars), environmental research (including Shuttle Imaging Radar and TOPEX / POSEIDON).
Wallops: is a space launch site for research by NASA and other US government agencies. It consists of three separate sections with a total area of ​​25 km²: the main base, the center on the mainland, and Wallops Island, where the launch complex is located. The main base is located on the east coast of Virginia ..

[Zeev Zeev]

These are all research and testing sites for products ordered from third parties.

[prodd]

Tell me what kind of oxygen kerosene engines did NASA have in order to drain their spacs? Or maybe NASA had returnable missile blocks? Merlin is a space development exactly like the methane Raptor, which is just a masterpiece. They will be better, but in this case, the pioneers of space

[Nikalab]

They NASA merged their development and staff

May I ask how the "merging" of the staff occurs? Are they serfs? Or they came to them, said: “You are fired, go work to that scammer”?

there’s only one problem - he doesn’t have any filling, nor a life support system, nothing. Empty bucket with engines.

And why does a space truck need a life support system? The essence of the starlinck is not so much to carry people as cargo, while maintaining both steps. This is only later they will make a manned ship based on a truck.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Nikalab

Or they came to them, said: “You are fired, go work to that scammer”?

They were told "do you want a lot of money" and they said they really want to.

[dvina71]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Falcon-9. Over the course of a year, this missile alone is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian ones combined.

In total, with test runs from 2015 - 75 launches, the maximum output PN was 8.6 .. Moreover, even the FT PN does not output to the GSO, only to the transition ..
For comparison .. Proton since 2003 .. - 422 .. on the GSO displays almost 4t .. On the transition Proton displays 7 + t PN

[dvina71]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

Pff ...
Nate ..
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_fam/proton.htm

[Zeev Zeev]

Proton has 422 launches since 1965.
Falcon has 91 launches since 2010.

[prodd]

You’ve been protons for 16 years now, every two weeks they’re flying hard workers, the sarcasm is that it’s just falcons with periods, actually two weeks fly.

[Vadim237]

The maximum payload on the LEO reusable Falcon 9 fifth unit 5 was 15.6 tons - the 75th launch of 60 minisatellites. "On the GSO, even FT does not launch the PN, only on the transitional .." Physically, this rocket does not interfere with the output of the payload to the GSO and the GPO - there are simply no customers with satellites for these orbits, they already exist under contracts for 2020.

[Lontus]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Falcon-9. Over the course of a year, this missile alone is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian ones combined.

what a blatant lie ..
And it's easy to check ..

Everyone is already used to your stupid hutspe.

[Zeev Zeev]

2018 year. 20 Falcon-9 launches, all successful. 18 launches of Russian missiles (both Soyuz, Rokotov, and Protonov), one failure (Soyuz MS-10).

[Lontus]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

2018 year. 20 Falcon-9 launches, all successful. 18 launches of Russian missiles (both Soyuz, Rokotov, and Protonov), one failure (Soyuz MS-10).

You are a very naive swindler.
There were 20 launches of Russian missiles in 2018, not 18.

second phrase

Falcon-9. Over the course of a year, this missile alone is launched more often and more successfully than all Russian ones combined.

implies a repeated action, that is, from year to year.
you took only one year 2018.
Then it was necessary to write, they say - "there was even a year (though only one - 2018) when the number of F9 launches was equal to the number of launches of all Russian launch vehicles"

In 2019, the number of F9 launches is less than Russian launch vehicles.
Unions alone launched more than F9: 14 vs. 11.
A total of Russian launches in 2019 already 19 = 14 Unions, 4 Protons, 1 Roar.
And this is much more indicative, since it is more relevant.

[Zeev Zeev]

Firstly, there were 18 orbital launches. Secondly, there will be less this year, more again next year.

[Amurets]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

Well, yes, if he revives Wernher von Braun. "1960 was another turning point in the fate of the designer. The von Braun rocket center was transferred to the Aeronautics and Space Administration, NASA and immediately received an order for the construction of Saturn rockets (Saturn Von Braun's career continued its meteoric rise and was named the first director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and was also appointed chief designer of the Saturn V rocket. was intended for manned flights to the moon under the Apollo program. In addition, von Braun directed work on the artificial Earth satellites "Explorer" and the spacecraft "Apollo".

Former Nazi designer von Braun, who did not want to surrender to the USSR, became one of the leading space explorers in the United States. Wernher von Braun's career culminated in 1972, when he was named Deputy Director of NASA and Manager of the Cape Canaveral Cosmodrome. However, in the same year, the US economy experienced a recession, which was one of the reasons for the curtailment of the lunar program. "Https://topwar.ru/11774-verner-fon-braun-raketnyy-baron-na-sluzhbe-nasa.html with this pores have gone down in the American astronautics.

[MMX]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Of course it is sad. But Musk can handle it.

The main thing to believe

[Kerensky]

Mda Why didn’t he cover himself with ice?

[dvina71]

Quote: Kerensky

Mda Why didn’t he cover himself with ice?

So this is not water, but liquid nitrogen .. Where does the ice come from?

[Kerensky]

Where does the ice come from?

Gennady. Is water vapor in the air? So he should pretend to be ice on the cooled structures.

[dvina71]

Quote: Kerensky

Is water vapor in the air?

Texas sir .. and if present .. how will he create an ice crust? It can settle in the form of a raid, in Russian - frost.

[Kerensky]

It can settle in the form of a raid, in Russian - frost.

And what? Are we watching this on video?

[dvina71]

Quote: Kerensky

And what? Are we watching this on video?

We are witnessing a boom badum products ignoramus .., next .. I will notice ..

[paul3390]

37 dvigunov, such as working synchronously! Ahrenet what idea ...

[donavi49]

Well dviguny just work. Like. This gap is due to the fact that they pumped fuel to the maximum calculated value in the tank. But something went wrong. Or the actual strength turned out to be less than the calculated one. Or the calculations themselves did not take into account something.

In fact, the tank simply burst under pressure. This is not a fundamental problem. However. If the safe level of pressure turns out to be significantly lower than the calculated one, then this will become a problem.

[dvina71]

Quote: donavi49

This gap is due to the fact that they pumped fuel to the maximum calculated value in the tank

Cryogen ce liquid nitrogen .. and the fuel there is kerosene ..

Quote: donavi49

In fact, the tank simply burst under pressure.

In fact, this is a developer file. The maximum allowable pressure in the tank cannot be calculated ...

[prodd]

Lord liquid nitrogen, kerosene ....
Raptor oxygen is methane, both components to the cryo and from the engine go as boost gases back to the tanks, there is no kerosene there at all, a small amount of nitrogen as a purge gas is not in the cryo. There is an excellent detailed Raptor diagram on the Internet, why invent it?

[loki565]

If it burst on a static stand, then there is no margin of safety at all. And what will happen when vibration and overload start on takeoff

[rocket757]

The first full-scale prototype of SpaceX Starship Mk1 exploded during the next test phase.

Was this a prototype ship? but not realized someone’s childhood fantasy?
It looks like a barrel in which "liquid ice" was stuffed .... and then a fire was kindled underneath!

[donavi49]

This is the essence of the commercial concept.

Innovative engines.
LNG

Cheap all other materials and a simple basic assembly process.

[rocket757]

Quote: donavi49

This is the essence of the commercial concept.

Exactly, that's the point.
But, a commercial company must report to shareholders all the same!
Besides the "fireworks" ... although, rather, there is a lot of fog, because it is definitely not smoke.

[voyaka uh]

"must report to the shareholders!" ////
----
SpaceX has no shares. This is a private company owned personally by Mask.

[rocket757]

Quote: voyaka uh

SpaceX has no shares. This is a private company owned personally by Mask.

I do not argue .... the reasons may be different.

[Okolotochny]

Wrong expressions - in front of customers of the product.

[K-612-O]

And where are the reports? Especially on the investments of the US Defense Ministry? Which by the way are unaudited

[Dmitry Gundorov]

Does not explode for those who have nothing to test

[Thrifty]

The idea of ​​this ship looks like an ordinary adventure. In Soviet times, such a finale would be called the logical result of dizziness from success. Mask clearly has problems with logic, why sculpt a monster when you need to get the maximum profit out of it, creating a real and not a monster-like ship in parallel.

[zlinn]

he created a real one, now he wanted to, something like that

[vadimtt]

Tests for maximum occupancy. No wonder - they poured a little and pulled the super-lightweight container. Further, they won’t either pour so much, or a little heavier.
Everyday business

[Skay]

Equipped with 37 Raptor engines, it can ... transport up to 100 people.

Well, who are these heroes ?! Where will they be searched?

[eckons]

Quote: rocket757

It looks like a barrel in which "liquid ice" was stuffed .... and then a fire was kindled underneath!

That was exactly what the engineering plan was. But for some reason it did not take off.

[rocket757]

Quote: eckons

That was exactly what the engineering plan was. But for some reason it did not take off.

I can't believe it at the expense of the "engineering concept" ...

[1970mk]

So what? We determined what pressure can withstand ... What is the problem then? This is a ground-based prototype and it is for such and intended tests.

[K-612-O]

On earth, all this is determined at the development stages, because the product is more expensive, nobody does full-scale tests, it's a little expensive. Mask flag in a fist and US budget pocket.

[bk316]

So what?

Nothing if NOT

the end of September 2019 and promised to send it into orbit six months later.

[Vkd dvk]

Perhaps the penguins hastened to abandon our old Unions.
I wonder where is the second version of Startship? Immediately 3 option .... The second died at the preliminary design stage?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: vadimtt

Tests for maximum occupancy. No wonder - they poured a little and pulled the super-lightweight container. Further, they won’t either pour so much, or a little heavier.
Everyday business

The designer calls it, learn from mistakes. Positive experience does not teach anything. Well, have reached speed. Is it possible more? It is not clear. The question remained. And when it gets wide, it immediately becomes clear. Reached.
So Musk has reached. Congratulations on your success and achievement.

[Guillon]

... such a result was not completely unexpected.

That is, they themselves killed him !!! Well done!

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: 1970mk

So what? We determined what pressure can withstand ... What is the problem then? This is a ground-based prototype and it is for such and intended tests.

Nothing like that. Just think, another year for a repeat and, possibly, a FULL repeat with an explosion. Just think, the shares of this swindler will fall by a couple of dozen points. Just think, with a dozen cool specialists will go to the competitor. And about DETERMINED. So WHICH WILL BE SUPPORTED? Tell the poor Mask. He didn’t recognize him, after all.

[zlinn]

spaceX has no shareholders

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Thrifty

The idea of ​​this ship looks like an ordinary adventure. In Soviet times, such a finale would be called the logical result of dizziness from success. Mask clearly has problems with logic, why sculpt a monster when you need to get the maximum profit out of it, creating a real and not a monster-like ship in parallel.

Musk is a card sharpie. He is forced to constantly raise rates. How many such promotions has he already made? Reusable rocket. From 1 option Falcon reached 5 options. But the promise of a hundred launches with a frequency of 24 hours did not reach each rocket. I switched to the hard version. Three such models in the drawings. Two Dragons. Finally, in order to bring down the old impression and questions, one is overwhelmed with the imagination. And a hundred astronauts. Trading post on Mars in 22 year. The whole city. Ticket selling. Isn't that a crook? And in his other crazy ideas? Yes, the same thing.

[Nikalab]

one hundred launches with a frequency of 24 hours each missile

And where is it interesting he will take so much load to start? Now they are already the first in the world in terms of commercial launches, and so they hit the ceiling.

[voyaka uh]

Musk is the new Korolev.
He brought the world astronautics out of hibernation, began a new stage in space exploration.
All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: voyaka uh

All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX

Thank. Very funny

[voyaka uh]

Roscosmos is not at all funny. Previously, global providers of satellite communications, who wanted to save money, turned to Roscosmos for a "taxi", now - to SpaceX. Russia, Europe (Arian) and Boeing Lockheed (ULA) have lost almost the entire commercial satellite launch market in a couple of years.
Everything went to Falcon-9.
Roskosmos still had orders from Moscow Region and a little science.
Boeing has the Pentagon and NASA. But their Musk lures low prices.

[Monar]

Gone. In Fapkon. You remind how many Musk takes for commercial launches and how many lyam more from the state?

[Monar]

Are you serious?

[Okolotochny]

That's what I constantly talk about - the new Ostap Ibrahimovic with New Vasyuki. I can continue - World Wide Web, Hyperlup.

[Berkut24]

And I wrote that this crap is not for flights, but for collecting money from investors. And here the "Maskovites" minus me for criticism of "wings" a la the 60s and a pipe wrapped in foil. So - the Mask again needs money for more "wings", the stainless steel is brilliant and the next one will certainly fly ...

[Nikalab]

to raise money investors

And how much did he collect?

a la 60s and foil wrapped pipe

Nothing, it's just Mk1, his Mk2 and Mk3 are assembled from stainless steel, so there will be many more such "pipes".

[Berkut24]

And how much did he collect?

https://habr.com/ru/post/293626/

SpaceX received $ 5,5 billion worth of contracts from NASA and the US Air Force.
But so far not one of them has been fulfilled to the end.

[Nikalab]

I read the article, but did not find anything criminal in it. The fact that the US government helps manufacturers of green technologies is no secret, this is done in all countries of the West, even an ordinary citizen receives tax benefits when using electric vehicles. And Tesla’s affairs haven’t been going bad lately, a plant is being built in China, and the company has shown profit (you can evaluate the joy of investors at the stock price). By the way, the world leader in introducing green technologies (in terms of total volume) is China.

SpaceX received about $ 20 million in economic development grants from the State of Texas, on which it builds its own spaceport there, and won tenders for contracts from NASA and US Air Force for a total of $ 5,5 billion.

But we, I remember, are not discussing Tesla here. You may not know this moment, but the states in the USA are competing among themselves for the investor, and they want to attract employers to their state with tax breaks and subsidies. After all, Space X for Texas is a new job for state residents, a new source of taxes, and as a result, future voter support in local government elections.

And government contracts are not subsidies, this is a clear order from the company for the provision of certain services for money. With the same success it can be said that the state gives subsidies to a cleaner in the White House.

[donavi49]

But after all, all these contracts on 9 are performed correctly:
This year, the next 3 truck on the ISS - CRS-17, 18 and 19 will fly here in early December. Completely on schedule. After the rocket explosion in the 16 year - under this program there are no time shifts and every year 100% closure.

As for the manned program, there is a delay. But MaxQ will solve everything in 3 weeks. If ok, then there will be a date for a manned flight. If not, then the Boeing will have the opportunity to catch up and overtake.

as for the military - there I drank more of the budget in large offices, where the Mask is not allowed. Per state account it is more profitable to launch Deltas at 400mln per rocket than to take Mask from 50mln. The market even decided the Atlases - for how much can you squeeze out of it? The result, for example, in the 2019 year of the military:
- 1 Atlas, the old one (since 2016, the contract for the 3 output for the Air Force).
- 1 FalconHavy as part of the launch vehicle certification for the military.
- 1 Electron within the framework of certification of LV for the military, in the future the Air Force promises a stable order for Beck, but with the condition of launches from the United States. The site will be introduced next year and will be the first launch.
- as many xnumx expensive deltas, and one Hawick per pollard.

[zlinn]

The commercial cargo program was completely fulfilled, and even already exceeded, the raptor, which the Air Force invested in the development, was created and passed tests, including flight, so that only the passenger dragon has not been completed yet, but there is only one serious test left, and you can check

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Vladimir16

During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

Where are they taught ?????????

Is the Russian language taught at school now? Or are these "writers" learning on social media?

And one more question:
- if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

Does Musk drive a car "not fully assembled"?

But Rogozin is of course to blame. Right, "Civil"?

And then we wonder why modern Russian is called cloacal. Yes, because he is cloacal. He didn’t stand next to the language of Lermontov and Pushkin, plus the total illiteracy of even those people who, it would seem, should be literate in the first place ... do you cut a chip?

[eckons]

This is you foul. The author’s illiteracy does not give the right to either a professor of higher education or anyone else to call the language cloacal.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: eckons

This is you foul. The author’s illiteracy does not give the right to either a professor of higher education or anyone else to call the language cloacal.

No illiteracy of the author, and illiteracy of the population, coupled with the abundant use of slang and Americanisms - yes)

[eckons]

So take care of his enlightenment, guardian of the purity of the tongue. And rudeness in relation to language and people is not permissible.

[g1washntwn]

The Apollos also did not have tests. And even with the calculations and performance characteristics, there are still some misunderstandings. But then, in a miraculous and trouble-free way, they went to the moon in their kitchen! With Mars it will be the same ... and for another 150 years "did they fly or not"

[zlinn]

very accidentally, with accidents in each mission, of varying degrees of severity, and one almost catastrophe, they were just very lucky, but they took a chance and succeeded, today the Apollo would not have passed the certification, that’s mask and risks, and maybe ,, although already quite successful

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Vladimir16

During testing, the ship itself is still was not fully assembled.

Where are they taught ?????????

Is the Russian language taught at school now? Or are these "writers" learning on social media?

And one more question:
- if the rocket is not assembled to the end, then why the hell with it to conduct experiments?

Does Musk drive a car "not fully assembled"?

But Rogozin is of course to blame. Right, "Civil"?

LAYOUT test and complete rocket assembly. If you imagine that this happened, then the designer needs to be shot. The test MUST precede the complete assembly. If this happened simultaneously, then to hell? It's too late, after all, to do something if ..... A complete alteration of the finished one. And so, at least a partial alteration.

[K-612-O]

How do you like Ilon Mask?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: CARLSON

Yes, Rogozin, in fact, drank another unreasonable child, in comparison with Musk, not to mention the Pentagon.
There are bison there, they just take their word for it (democracy, sir), there they saw more on one "Zamalite" (not a project, but a ship) than on the whole Vostochny

The difference is already in concepts. We cut, a crime, and, sometimes, punishable, they have it in the law and is called lobbying for interests. Not investigated, condemned or punished.

[Maxwrx]

Author bold minus:
1. The test for maximum pressure, which means they were looking for ultimate strength, i.e. the destruction was supposed, moreover, they wanted to achieve this in order to find out the weak point of the structure
2. The engine was specially removed from this ship, nothing expensive remained on it
3. They decided that this ship would never fly, and concentrated on ships 2 and 3
4. I remember the same ship already "exploded". There were shots where he was all on fire, but after a week he had already taken off 1 km.
5. And even more so to assert that "can put an end to the program" is generally nonsense. The cost of this water tower (it was who built the water towers) is insignificant. Spaces is profitable, stable, and significant investments have already been made in this ship. The engines are developed (the most expensive), the design is roughly developed, the main systems too (some will go from their Falcon 9 rocket and the dragon ship)

[eckons]

Do you really think that testing is done like this? They make a structure, and then inflate it until it bursts?

[Maxwrx]

Yes, they test on a design sample. If everything shows well on the stand, why can’t I install it after the prototype?

"In the freeze frame [3rd photo] you can see the very beginning of the breakthrough of the hull, it is noticeable that oxygen began to evolve, and after a moment the explosion starts from there. Apparently this is the welded seam of the tank hull, in the place where the top cover is attached to case. What is it, poor-quality welding or excessive loads on the seam? Investigation will show. "

Those. previously it was the case that caused the explosion, and not the storage / pumping system itself, fueling

[paul3390]

Quote: donavi49

Well dviguny just work.

Anyway - the idea of ​​synchronizing the work of so many engines does not seem successful. The great Korolev didn’t succeed ..

[Lontus]

Quote: paul3390

Quote: donavi49

Well dviguny just work.

Anyway - the idea of ​​synchronizing the work of so many engines does not seem successful. The great Korolev didn’t succeed ..

What a creepy thing?
How to understand “Korolev didn’t succeed” if he died in 1966 on the operating table?
3 years before the first flight of the N-1.
If it weren’t for the killer’s doctors, and then not for the machinations of andropysh saboteurs, everything would have worked with N-1.

[prodd]

And the great mask has already flown three times a Heavy Falcon with 27 engines

[voyaka uh]

27 engines on Falcon Heavy have successfully worked synchronously already three times.
Moreover, on the second-hand first steps.

[The Siberian barber]

Like BE, I have nothing against Mask and his office, for everyone earns as much as he can)) But stainless steel tanks, reminiscent of washing machines of the mid-20th century, are suggestive

[EXPrompt]

Quote: Siberian barber

Like BE, I have nothing against Mask and his office, for everyone earns as much as he can)) But stainless steel tanks, reminiscent of washing machines of the mid-20th century, are suggestive

Examine the constructs of spice1 - you are not waiting for such shocks, Mask is building the entire rocket and tanks from steel 031 alloy.
And all this in order not to make a decent thermal protection from ceramics.
This is a new word in astronautics, because no one has ever used steel in space.
It just falls on steel as a more heat-resistant material than aluminum alloys or composites that are more characteristic of astronautics.

[The Siberian barber]

Maybe you are right)
But I have the right to skepticism, until there is evidence of action

[mvmptzna]

Notably pulled.
Beter Polish NEXT TIME

[letinant]

I’m risking it now, but still. But you don’t think that the explosion is planned. In the first survey from different angles, it can be seen that the ejection height is different. On the camera that is close, the ejection is lower and the donkey is faster, on the distant ejection is two times higher and hangs longer. During the explosion it is seen that the upper part works as a directed explosion (expelling charge). What kind of white garbage is this, if it is fuel with an oxidizing agent, that would not have ended like that ... oh. Look at the rocket explosion on the launch pad, newsreels are enough. And this white nonsense quickly settles. Something seems to me, Elon Musk, troubled.

[trophy]

I see no reason for gloating. Absolutely normal testing process of a component of a product. And a negative result is also a result. Moreover, I will reveal a terrible secret: there are such types of tests as destructive tests, and are even widely used in our defense industry. Corrections will be made in the design documentation and the design documentation. and forth.

[_Ugene_]

I think they forgot the gravitsap, the pepelats don’t fly without a gravitsap, but this thing is just a pepelats

[G. Georgiev]

These Americans have a lot of money and daring space projects. And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.

[slipped]

Quote: G. Georgiev

And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.

Your passage about the "eternal" is unclear. Firstly, the preliminary design of the super-heavy launch vehicle is called "Yenisei" and it was only recently submitted by the designer to Roskosmos for expert consideration and appropriate decisions. Secondly, the Samara Rocket and Space Center "Progress" has already completed and started testing the tanks of the first stage of the Irtysh rocket (Soyuz-5), which will also be used in the Yenisei project. After testing the tanks, the RD-171MV engine will be screwed to them, which is now being prepared at NPO Energomash, and at the beginning of next year, roughly in February, fire bench tests of the stage will begin.

[NF68]

Has Russia been accused yet? Or are they still looking for the "guilty"?

[G. Georgiev]

I think that humor is inappropriate here because of the unenviable position of Russia as an observant and dormant country with conservative and constantly protracted projects and personnel of a bygone era.

[awg75]

do not choke on bile. that's what, and in rocket science we are at least among the leaders.

[awg75]

as a child I read a picture book by Nosov "Dunno on the Moon". when I saw the American miracle, I thought that Nikolai Nikolayevich still managed to snatch the missile drawings to Ilona Mask)))

[Monar]

Well, what are you? Nosov even had a fairing. And here is just a saucepan.

[Genry]

Quote: awg75

as a child I read a picture book by Nosov "Dunno on the Moon". when I saw the American miracle, I thought that Nikolai Nikolayevich still managed to snatch the missile drawings to Ilona Mask)))

And I immediately thought that Musk took the props from some film studio of the times of "silent" cinema. Then the fashion was for such fins.

[Politruk-m]

Neoliberals and other "tovaischi whiners" in mourning .. Here you have yours and Elon Musk and the vaunted American space technology ..
I feel now the arrows on Rogozin and Roskosmos will translate and begin to whine about theft, etc.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MaxWRX

Author bold minus:
1. The test for maximum pressure, which means they were looking for ultimate strength, i.e. the destruction was supposed, moreover, they wanted to achieve this in order to find out the weak point of the structure
2. The engine was specially removed from this ship, nothing expensive remained on it
3. They decided that this ship would never fly, and concentrated on ships 2 and 3
4. I remember the same ship already "exploded". There were shots where he was all on fire, but after a week he had already taken off 1 km.
5. And even more so to assert that "can put an end to the program" is generally nonsense. The cost of this water tower (it was who built the water towers) is insignificant. Spaces is profitable, stable, and significant investments have already been made in this ship. The engines are developed (the most expensive), the design is roughly developed, the main systems too (some will go from their Falcon 9 rocket and the dragon ship)

In order to state THOUGHT, it must be had. You do not understand the basics. Nothing was filmed. You cannot distinguish a PROTOTYPE from a finished product, a rocket, in this case.
The PROTOTYPE is made ONLY in the form, in that configuration, in those sizes, in those materials and technologies in which it is enough to check only what is needed in a particular case. The prototype can be in the form of a truss, and not the body of the rocket on which the engine is mounted, or a tank with something, for testing for vibration or shock resistance. In this case, a prototype was tested in which tanks were installed. For what-an oxidizer (oxygen), fuel (hydrogen), pressurization to displace both (helium) - I do not know. And you too. The most expensive thing in a space rocket is not an engine. The control system for feeding, regulating and other things with this engine. The control algorithm for these devices, leading to extremely forced modes, however, with a sufficient margin of viability. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.

[Monar]

Okay. Mask has its own test. But did he navigate stabilizers to him?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: G. Georgiev

These Americans have a lot of money and daring space projects. And what about the Russian perpetual missile projects Yenisei and Don, which can deliver up to 150 tons in space.

However, the first Bulgarian cosmonaut (and the only one, even looking at friendship with a penguin) was and flew on a Soviet ship.
Now we are not in the best economic shape. Correct. What did they say in the old days? Give only time, give only a period, there will be a protein for you, there will be a whistle. But rich and burdened with ideas penguins fly on our Union. But this case adds us another year. I will answer a question with a question - where are Bulgarian tomatoes, tobacco, electronics and shipbuilding?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: iConst

Quote: Dikson

Some kind of kindergarten ..

Airplanes "finish" for years, and here in half a year and 100% readiness. Strange somehow and not serious.

This is not strange. The strange thing is that you do not distinguish between reality and plans. The plans are huge, in 20 the city on Mars, but the reality is ........ Okay to listen to the lies Mask. He loots out of the budget. But listening to some of our enthusiastic jerks is already too much.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: voyaka uh

Musk is the new Korolev.
He brought the world astronautics out of hibernation, began a new stage in space exploration.
All countries and companies are now competing in the new space race not with each other, but with SpaceX

Compare God's gift with fried eggs. Korolev did not create a rocket. He created rocket science, instrumentation, mathematics, astronomy, metallurgy, precision mechanics, optics and much more. His energy moved all these industries to a new, then, unprecedented, height. Musk came to everything ready. Taking the fifty engines remaining from the lunar program, which he called his own. Design bureaus, stands, launching pads, materials, devices and patents. By his arrival in the country and in the world, much had already been achieved.
Specifically, what did he do as an engineer? NOTHING. A dough saw that does everything on tolling materials. Eater of billions of dollars. And, not only in astronautics. In any other business, there is nothing but promises and deceit. Transfer?

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I see no reason for gloating. Absolutely normal testing process of a component of a product. And a negative result is also a result. Moreover, I will reveal a terrible secret: there are such types of tests as destructive tests, and are even widely used in our defense industry. Corrections will be made in the design documentation and the design documentation. and forth.

He did not hire a lawyer. Here, not the fact of his accident is considered, but the degree of his scam and promise. Accidents happen. But not a single one of them sells tickets to Mars without even making an experimental rocket and testing it in practice. Musk is selling tickets. You do not have enough brains to understand IT.

[Ronald Reagan]

So you do not have enough money for a ticket?

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[quote = MaxWRX] A. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.

in raptor only, this does not apply,

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spaceX has no shareholders

Mask has shareholders. Mask is funded by the government. For nothing, did they give 5 billion dough?

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[quote = MaxWRX] A. The engine runs for several hundred seconds. For all my life.

in raptor only, this does not apply,

How much? The launch into orbit lasts minutes. And with the change of two or three steps. Do not you think that reusable use is done as after a bus stop and a new movement until the next stop? After using it there is a semi-annual nightmare with a repair.

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Tell me what kind of oxygen kerosene engines did NASA have in order to drain their spacs? Or maybe NASA had returnable missile blocks? Merlin is a space development exactly like the methane Raptor, which is just a masterpiece. They will be better, but in this case, the pioneers of space

Merlin Musk got ready. With fifty pieces written off after the completion of the lunar program. Podshamanil, using the services transferred to him by the Design Bureau, using the equipment transferred to him, the stands, the launch complex, patents, electronics, and other things, already ready for his arrival in the space program.

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That's what I constantly talk about - the new Ostap Ibrahimovic with New Vasyuki. I can continue - World Wide Web, Hyperlup.

Add- Martian cities in 2020. Home solar roofs with the return of electricity to the grid, metro transporting CARs with passengers in them, immersing them in their gut from the platforms on the highway, from the street and taking them according to the given program to the right place, moving arrows from the car along the route, and unloading it to the surface by achievement of the assignment. Gigawatt storage batteries, consisting of TENS OF MILLION finger-type Chinese Panasonic batteries. Electric cars, with recharging from home outlets, and with autonomy of 600 km per day.

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Quote: Ronald Reagan

So you do not have enough money for a ticket?

I'm still out of my mind. And you?

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Quote: Ronald Reagan

So you do not have enough money for a ticket?

Can you throw away 200 thousand dollars for a one-way ticket? YOU will die on the way there, since the radiation in interplanetary space, without the protection of the Earth and its magnetic field, is THOUSANDS of times greater than on the ISS. The Earth itself, with its size, shades the space satellite on one side, being a shield on one side, but in an interplanetary satellite there is no such protection. Finally, if after a year of flight you don’t end up dead, then on Mars, without a magnetic field and a poor atmosphere, which has a pressure of 0,1 of the earth’s, and consists of carbon dioxide, which does not protect anyone on the surface, you will play in the box.
And believe me, your stupid act, at least from me, will not cause any sympathy.

[Vadim237]

Everything is clear with cosmic radiation

and protection from this radiation is available in the same aluminum, stainless steel, beryllium paper, boron, and composite materials specially created for this. Regarding radiation and dose on Mars, “The latest data from the RAD instrument were published in 2014. According to scientists from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, during a six-month stay on the surface of Mars, a person will receive an average radiation dose of about 120 mSv. This figure is halfway between the lower and upper estimates of the radiation dose on the ISS. During the flight to Mars, if it also takes six months, the radiation dose will be 350 mSv, i.e. 2-4,5 times more than on the ISS. During the flight, MSL experienced five solar flares moderate power." So there is no need to write about some kind of deadly radiation, another thing is that in conditions of weightlessness the human body begins to change and this is a much more serious problem than protection from cosmic radiation. I believe that Musk and his company have every opportunity to make and test their reusable space vehicle before 2030, but it will need to prove its reliability before people fly on it.

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You have to know how to blow up a liquid oxygen tank!!!!
And I note 60 years after the beginning of the space age. Not Gagarin, not even the Chinese, such things don’t explode in our time... Space-X is truly a unique sharashka.

[Vadim237]

How do you know that the Chinese don’t break them - were you present at all the tests?

[Yuri Mikhailovsky]

Well, what are so many words about? TESTS!!!!

[cat Rusich]

Is the Starship Mk1 rocket insured? In the event that the accident is an “insured event” there is nothing to worry about. Question: When flying to the moon, do you need to apply for a passport and a “visa”?

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Is the Starship Mk1 rocket insured? In the event that the accident is an “insured event” there is nothing to worry about. Question: When flying to the moon, do you need to apply for a passport and a “visa”?

When flying to the moon, especially at senior level, it is imperative to draw up a will.

[Basarev]

So what's wrong with that? These are tests, during which shortcomings should be revealed and eliminated. This means that such explosions are normal operating procedure, there is nothing catastrophic here. What really is a disaster is the state of our astronautics. So we shouldn't laugh at Musk. And then, damn it, for many years now someone has been allowing hundreds of millions to be stolen in Vostochny. I suspect that the spaceport was just a cover, and the real goal was mega-thefts.

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So what's wrong with that? These are tests, during which shortcomings should be revealed and eliminated. This means that such explosions are normal operating procedure, there is nothing catastrophic here. What really is a disaster is the state of our astronautics. So we shouldn't laugh at Musk. And then, damn it, for many years now someone has been allowing hundreds of millions to be stolen in Vostochny. I suspect that the spaceport was just a cover, and the real goal was mega-thefts.

Is the cosmodrome built?
And there is no need to suffer, stealing during construction began 2,5 thousand years ago during the Roman Empire.
This won't surprise anyone here. Smart people do not raise questions about theft, but ask the first question about the object and its effectiveness and readiness, and the second question is about the inevitability of punishment.
Because they always and everywhere steal at large construction sites, but the construction of the object is not always completed. That is life.


Musk’s problem is not that something is constantly exploding, Musk’s problem is that his barrels are already exploding. This very well illustrates the level of its designers.
Watch his video announcement of horror 1 at your leisure, it is in a tube in Russian, with the same ideology as Musk’s to speed up construction, replace materials with cheaper and more “technological” ones, sheds and outhouses can of course be built, there are no rockets.
Hence the logical results of these devices in tests.
He may be a good manager, he saves money well, but why didn’t he think of it instead of using even cheaper bamboo for a cryogenic tank)))

[Vadim237]

The fact of the matter is that for Musk, everything explodes and does not work mainly during tests on the ground, but for our leaders, accidents occur and will occur exclusively during launches with a commercial load, and he chose stainless heat-resistant steel because the material is better in terms of strength heat resistance and in terms of protection from cosmic radiation, what was proposed earlier - composite fiber. Before the manned Mk 5, his company still has a long way to go.

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The fact of the matter is that everything blows up for Musk and doesn’t work mainly during tests on the ground,

The fact is that Musk has not yet received a license from NASA to transport astronauts.
Don’t make any comparisons, our ships exploded even in flight, the last Soyuz MS-10 exploded at 123 seconds, and what’s important is that the cosmonauts escaped with 7 times the overload in this situation.
Rockets always exploded, for everyone, periodically for us too... But not everyone was able to evacuate the crew from a rocket in distress.
This is exactly what Musk still has to prove and prove that what he constructs has the same reliability.
While everything has been blown up, both the crew dragon and the 1st stage of the spiceship, there is no license, otherwise he would have blown up the astronauts.
With his level of design, this is more than likely. At least our specialists in the space industry are extremely skeptical about it.
YOU look at the presentation of the foreman1, it’s already lying around in Russian in a tube, I don’t know about you, it hurt my ear how this person approaches issues of design and construction. With a concept and mentality like Musk's, it is better to build sartires, maybe even barns, rather than spaceships.
He may be a good organizer and manager, I don’t argue, but that’s not what a designer is about.

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He chose stainless heat-resistant steel because the material is better in terms of heat resistance strength and in terms of protection from cosmic radiation

Musk chose heat-resistant steel not only because it withstands overheating better. And for another extremely banal reason, his Space-X simply does not have the money for expensive ceramics of sufficient thickness, and the ship does not have the mass resources. Steel is a good structural material, no doubt, cheap, easy to process and weldable without any bells and whistles such as welding in a neutral gas environment, but no one had used it in space before Musk.
Perhaps the main legacy of SpaceX and the Spaceship 1 project will be precisely the proof that steel is not (or is) a space material...
I personally don’t believe that senior staff will fly anywhere in the end, there are too many forced “innovations” due to poverty.

In general, the concept of spiceship itself is flawed. Flying anywhere beyond low orbit using the principles and technologies of the 60s, i.e. chemical rockets, is simply nonsense, and a ticket to the cemetery.

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Starship Mk 1 will no longer fly anywhere, the real manned one will be Mk 5, but it is still far away - apart from chemical engines there is nothing new in terms of impulse and thrust, so you will have to use what you have, so how Musk and his team will set up production will be seen how these interplanetary ships will fly in unmanned mode, land and take off from the Moon and Mars, transport satellites and cargo there - and only after they have proven themselves and there will be a manned flight - it is clear that there is no talk of any manned flight in 2022 or even in 2030 There's no point in waiting for Mars.

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From the Moon and Mars to transport satellites and cargo there - and only after they have proven themselves and there is a manned flight - it is clear that there is no need to expect any manned flight in 2022 or even in 2030 to Mars.

Let’s put it simply, the price of such flights (with the current technology of chemical rockets, let’s say if all this is implemented without problems and technical complications and disasters) will be tens of trillions of dollars, and maybe more than a dozen.
That is, comparable to the current US national debt, if not more.

And why is it needed if there is no purpose yet?

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If you take a ship using modern production technologies it will cost around 700 million dollars, a rocket will cost about 300 million - both are reusable, liquid methane fuel is now 15000 rubles per cubic meter, liquid oxygen is 9000 rubles per cubic meter - the fuel is not that expensive, plus crew training, equipment, food, maintenance, etc. a hundred million - with the private funding of Musk himself and other billionaires and major sponsors, the amounts are escalating - and the goal is to land a man on Mars and create settlements there, who knows, our planet is not eternal and is very vulnerable: gamma flares, asteroids, meteorites, magnetar emissions, wandering blacks holes, etc., and someday humanity will need to look for a new home, why sit still when it is already possible to take the first steps in the colonization of the solar system.

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Do you think that for cosmic flares those ~56 million km between Mars and Earth is a big difference? If, let’s say, a supernova explodes close to us, or the sun explodes, the difference between where you will be on Mars or Earth is not significant, what difference does it make to you whether you turn into steam in the orbit of Mars or Earth.
Moreover, I have the impression that it’s even worse on Mars, there is a weak magnetic field of the planet’s core, so everything will be taken to its fullest.


In general, I don’t argue that the development of humanity is necessary, and it is also necessary to conquer the stars and explore the solar system, but not using 20th century technologies.
It will be dangerously expensive and too long.
We are not yet very ready to explore the solar system; we don’t even have a nuclear planetary plane in the metal yet.

[Vadim237]

Musk is creating a planetary plane, but Russia is creating a nuclear powered propulsion system with plasma and ion electric motors for 1 MGV.

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That's right. Musk is creating a planetary plane using 20th century technologies Roscosmos on the 21st. That's the whole difference.
For a mask, the engine will run for only tens of minutes, for Roscosmos for months. That's the whole difference.
Musk will fly to Mars for several months, Roscosmos for weeks.

By the way, you are wrong, or rather the information is outdated; Roscosmos no longer has ion engines as a priority for nuclear fuel.
2 types of magnetoplasma engines were recently patented by Roscosmos.
One of these engines has already been ordered (a working model) and will be ready literally in 2020. As I understand it, it will be pushed into space for testing and very soon it will be 20-21 years old.
They promise orders of magnitude greater power relative to ionic ones.