Drown or return? Who bent under whom?


So, three Ukrainian troughs returned to their homeland. What was it at all: a gesture of wide will or another deflection? And if the second - under whom?


In fact, the truth is, as always, in the middle, and the one who is in the details is cackling from under each nut.

The media, by the way, also reacted ambiguously, which is surprising for our country. Moreover, the separation did not even go along the line of demarcation “liberal - patriot,” but somewhere in the brain, and even under the influence of an incomprehensible randomizer.

Now that everything has settled down, let's try to look calmly at the situation.

The Russian side handed over to the Ukrainian three ill-fated ships, two paramilitary boats and a tugboat. Why paramilitary? Well, let's just say that no one really said what condition the ships were in, but the fact that the Ukrainians went out to meet theirs with two tugboats and a lifeguard says a lot.

Drown or return? Who bent under whom?

However, for some reason, far from everyone at various levels took this news normal and adequate.

Statements and opinions sounded that Ukrainian ships are material evidence for proceedings in courts of various instances, including international ones. So - you can’t give, and in general ...

Some believed that Kiev should officially acknowledge something there, repent of something, in general, admit guilt for the incident.

Stupidity, of course, and naive stupidity. Of course, nothing in Ukraine would be recognized and will not be recognized. Not for that, everything was started.

The best evidence is the frankly illogical note of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry demanding the return of the ships. The day before the appointed and agreed return.

What does this mean?

Only that there is a political game.

Kiev knew perfectly well where, when and how the Russian side would give them these unfortunate troughs. Nevertheless, this note was smacked on the table, they say, not only return, but also let me know where everything will be, coordinates with millimeter accuracy and time with accuracy up to a second.

Almost a kind of ultimatum. All that was lacking was the eternal "or not ..."

But what if "not that"?

Never mind.

Someone, if you want it so, may consider that Russia was scared of this formidable document, Moscow went on about Kiev and complied with all the requirements. You can even call them "ultimate", but ...

But there is one point that completely destroys all the arguments of those who shout about “frightened” Russia.

Bulk carrier "Mechanic Pogodin" is still standing in Kherson. The seiner Nord is still in Berdyansk. NEYMA tanker, which blocked the passage under the Kerch bridge of Ukrainian violators, is arrested in Izmail

Is this a demonstration of the power of Ukraine, or what?

This or how.

If we exchanged these ships, how we exchange prisoners of war, or Ukraine returned our ships, as a gesture of goodwill, then yes, we could say something there.

But in our situation, everything is somewhat different.

This is a game for Europe. This is a political chess game. Thank God, people almost did not suffer from these games, but alas, the political game is a given. It has been, is and will always be.

I will support the opinion of those sober-minded people who believe that the transfer of floating scrap metal to Ukraine is directly related to the upcoming Summit of the Norman Four.

I will venture to assert that our Foreign Ministry has well calculated the consequences of this move. It is worth recalling that the international court decided to return the boats to Ukraine, but ours did not recognize his decision, and the case fell into the box with appeals and other long-lasting pleasures.

It was likely in Moscow that the Ukrainian sailors and three rusty little ships were too small pawns in the big game. And don’t mind sacrificing them.

But before the meeting on Ukrainian issues (yes, for the whole world these are Ukrainian issues, alas) from the hands of Zelensky, who started playing games like his predecessor (a demonstration of a bullet that didn’t get where you came from and killed someone there), to the public and with "evidence", a very good trump card was knocked out.

And it would be very nice to swing the ships very well, this is not a piece of skin from the bus.

What is more important: once again dunk Ukraine somewhere or still continue at least attempts to resolve the issue of Donbass?

Here I will voice my own opinion.

It lies in the fact that in order to provide a solution to the problem of Donbass in a peaceful way, it would be necessary to give up all the rusty rubbish that was previously fleet Ukraine, but what can I say, "Zaporozhye" on the oars could be overtaken to Odessa.

Not like two half-armored boats and a tug.


This is called "nate, choke."

But for all observers and participants from Europe, this will look just like another gesture of goodwill on the part of Putin. Yes, it is doubtful that this will bring any preferences such as the lifting of sanctions, no. Will not bring.

Here, profits will have to be sought in a slightly different direction. In Ukrainian.

The political game, in which both sides really want to pump each other out, has been, is and will continue to go. So far, an openly pro-Nazi regime in power has not changed in Ukraine.

Yes, Zelensky was replaced by Poroshenko, but who said that it became better? No, on the contrary, Natsik rush upstairs with even more zeal than before. They just removed the old ones, new ones came in their place. Younger and more aggressive.

But Zelensky clearly has less space for the game, this is a fact. Plus, a certain time pressure, because the problem of Donbass for Ukraine and for Russia - I'm sorry, but these are different problems in terms of importance.

Today, 95 from 100 Russians in the spirit of Galkin are already frowning at the words “Ukraine” and “Donbass”. From the Donbass, maybe less, but nonetheless.

But in Ukraine ...

But in Ukraine, everything is much more complicated. First of all, because Donbass is a sore spot there. Yes, today Minsk-1 and Minsk-2, or rather, Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, which became the forerunners of these meetings, were somehow forgotten. There did not happen such a major defeat, but the capture of the three little ships is hardly a victory.

Moreover, this disgrace does not pull in a sea battle. Rather, the fisheries authorities caught three big-time poachers with a net.

So there is no honor for such a “victory” or “overpowering” for anyone. Well, for Ukraine there is. Although, how to say something Zelensky did not showered with awards the warrior.

And this despite the fact that the next change oh how needed Ze. Well, just without it in any way, you understand.

So Zelensky, it turns out, although he managed to throw with the help of the Foreign Ministry a formidable demand for the return of the ships, but he was clearly late. Information leaked long before the actions of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, so the effect, as it were, did not pass.

What for? Everything is simple. Our authorities also need something from the world community. Namely, the lifting of sanctions in the future and the launch of Nord Stream-2 in the near future.

And for the sake of each of these problems, it was possible not only to return three troughs, but the whole modern fleet of Ukraine was not worth it. Although - he (the fleet of Ukraine) is already worthless. So the transfer of a certain amount of scrap metal was not to be cut, but to the Ukrainian side, if it could have at least some impact on the situation, it was necessary to give it up.

Well, do not store this junk, in the end? And so half of the Crimean berths littered with trash, also toss a new one ...

The only thing that poorly done was that they did not properly arrange the whole process. But, as always, the information component is not up to par, which, by the way, cannot be said about Zelensky. He is as a pro and as a president frankly weak, but the fact that from all this can get a lot of advantages for himself is 146%.

However, who, if not Putin, will be able to beat Zelensky’s weaknesses in political and economic games with Europe? It was not for nothing that they began to frighten the Ukrainian president openly with Putin, or rather Putin's cunning, since there are fears that some warming in relations could sideways come to Ukraine.

Can it?

In general, the policy of Mr. Poroshenko very well led to a deadlock in relations between the countries, and even the slightest thaw can be regarded as a good deal.

Meanwhile, there is already something to record in the asset. The exchange of “35 to 35”, which nevertheless occurred, is the best proof of this. Yes, the role of the presidents was minimal, but ... She was!

As a result, Ukraine received sailors from the boats “Berdyansk” and “Nikopol”, as well as from the tugboat “Yana Kapu”. Already after the exchange of prisoners, the transfer of the detained ships themselves was a matter of time, this should have happened before the summit in the "Norman format", scheduled for early December. Occurred.

The question may arise: what will happen to our courts, which are under arrest in Ukraine?

In general, of course, in theory Zelensky would have to answer in the same way and return the Nord and Pogodin’s Mechanics, if only because these ships were arrested during the reign of Poroshenko.

The reason is implicitly visible, but it is possible to discern. Today, in Ukraine, many observers believe that Zelensky is trying very hard to get Ukraine out of this situation, when the country has actually become a hostage to the game between the United States and Russia.

A good reason, by the way, in order to show that in Ukraine, too, are not worn.

It makes sense, since Ukraine is “tseevropa”, and in Europe itself, dissatisfaction with US policies regarding the same sanctions is gradually growing (all impose sanctions, but they mostly hit Europeans).

So a demonstration of readiness for negotiations and joint work of Kiev in relation to Moscow can play a far-reaching role in European politics.

Judge for yourself, the French leader Macron has recently not been very shy in expressing criticism of American foreign policy, and also speaks out for the European army and the reform of NATO. And grandmother Merkel, having abandoned all cases, is trying to persuade her neighbors at Nord Stream 2.

Theoretically, of course, since there are more than enough claims in the overseas region both in France and Germany, even partial defrosting of relations with Moscow can give very impressive results.

What does Kiev have to do with it? Yes, all the same. Trumpet to whom a symbol over there, and to whom no worse than mom. So who needs a Ukrainian pipe filled with Russian gas, who needs SP-2, but the bottom line is that you can work.

And before the meeting in the "Norman format", each of the parties should come with some kind of baggage.

Macron and Merkel will come displeased, Zelensky on the wave of success from a successful operation with the ships, and Putin ... And Putin will put Zelensky in debt.

Let me remind you that Russia not only returned the trough, but also, if someone forgot, did an even more substantial job: it returned the old format of the Kerch Strait and the entire Sea of ​​Azov.

Yes, then we were accused of artificial blockade of Ukrainian ports, but this was quite logical after the arrests of our courts. Yes, the ports of Mariupol and Berdyansk almost got up, because who is interested in talking with Russian military boats, searches and searches? The situation "And if I find it?" In this case, well, does not inspire optimism in any way except for inspectors.

So here is another example for you, and there is nothing to shed tears over the rusty trash that was passed back.

In general, after Poroshenko ceased to be president of Ukraine, the new president Zelensky announced his readiness for a reset in relations between Ukraine and Russia.

The word should be followed by a deed.

Given all sorts of demonstrations of good intentions on the Russian side, it makes sense if you do not bargain (as without this), then at least think about it.

The meeting is just around the corner ...
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  1. Spartanez300 20 November 2019 06: 02 New
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    As it was said while the pro-Nazi regime in power in Ukraine will not restart, this topic has long been clear to everyone. All this rubbish on the berths has long been high time to re-start and empty the ports. And as to whether or not to drown, in my opinion dill is unlikely to aggravate now, although anything can be expected from scumbags, but if this happens then it is unambiguous to drown so that the next time there is no desire. And do not care about public opinion, our country is defending its territory.
    1. Deck 20 November 2019 06: 46 New
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      Russia simply complied with the decision of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea. How she fulfilled the decision to return the Arctic Sunrise and pay 2,7 million euros.
      On TV, everything looks very menacing and belligerent, but the decisions of international organizations are being implemented. And preferably without publicity. laughing
      1. kjhg 20 November 2019 10: 24 New
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        I don’t understand what the argument is about? Did not have to give boats? To do this, pursue a strong policy. On the Ukrainian problem as a whole, Russia is pursuing a policy of the weak. This was clearly visible from the very beginning of the Maidan. The return of these boats fits precisely into this policy.
        But whether it was originally necessary to pursue a policy of the weak or a policy of the strong with Europe and the USA in Ukraine, this is another question, debatable. Does Russia have enough forces and means to pursue a different policy? Of course, no one likes when his country pursues such a policy. Personally, I believed and still believe that Russia had opportunities and should have pursued a stronger policy towards its historically owned territory. Well, where, after all, are the United States and Germany, and where is Russia and Ukraine? What language do Ukrainians speak? How many family ties do Ukrainians have with us and how many with Europeans? Who have owned these lands for centuries? Yes, a lot more. But, despite everything, Russia assumed the role of the weak. She showed that one could talk with her from a position of strength and force her to accept conditions that were unacceptable to her. After all, no one can seriously say that cultivating from Ukraine our enemy with the frankly Russophobic ideology of Bandera is acceptable to us. Remember how the Russian world rose in 2014! It was a real Russian Spring. And as the Russian authorities did their best to drain it into the toilet. All. What now to wag about some sort of boats? It's ridiculous! Stupid! It's disgusting!
      2. Sapsan136 20 November 2019 10: 45 New
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        And what about the ships stolen by Ukraine, including the tanker and the Crimean seiner? Where is the decision in favor of the Russian Federation? There's no such thing? Well then, the decision to return the ships to Bandera is a crime against the Russian Federation, corrupt officials, who are closer to London, and not the Russian Federation and personally the GDP, which should retire ...
      3. Anatoly Anatoly 20 November 2019 10: 56 New
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        Study the decision of this tribunal and the attitude of Russia to it, and then write nonsense.
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        1. Akuzenka 20 November 2019 19: 28 New
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          It will triple and return, under the promise of the West to lift the sanctions. And Russia, of course, will be deceived, as usual. So it was hundreds of times and still will be. The purse of those holding power there, and therefore the policy will be pursued, beneficial to the holders of their wallets. Much easier.
      5. Maks1995 20 November 2019 14: 54 New
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        Tse is true ... And not only here ...
      6. Igoresha 20 November 2019 15: 58 New
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        And preferably without publicity
        as usual, in the “what you please” pose, just like with raising the retirement age. So the Kuril Islands, by decision of the cordon will be returned
    2. Dimy4 20 November 2019 07: 11 New
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      And do not care about public opinion, our country protects its territory

      Our policy, on the contrary, turns out to be the same - do not care about our country, we do everything with an eye on pan-European opinion, otherwise we would not think about anything bad there in the enlightened west.
      1. volodimer 20 November 2019 09: 01 New
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        You still forgot to mention about payment of compensation to "mad pussy"!
        I apologize in advance to the moderator, but the name in English seems more obscene.
        1. Kronos 20 November 2019 13: 13 New
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          Well, everything was paid right there, because they were judged by vile law, only the priests should have paid or Putin and not the state budget
          1. volodimer 20 November 2019 15: 50 New
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            I do not agree, with all my rejection of the current actions of the Russian Orthodox Church, the trick of these intellectually ungifted young ladies (I would like to write harsher, but again a moderator) to any gate ... This is what is just unacceptable. And the actions of the authorities in this case are absolutely justified.
            And payments are a shame, they went about tolerance. Sorrow on such matters before the "European democracy" ... This is unacceptable.
            How long would they live after such a "concert" in any mosque?
            And then there is the main temple of the Orthodox religion of the state. I remember that the church is separate and, it seems, everything should be all the same, but that’s why the state exists to protect.
            Once again, I am an atheist, I am absolutely equal to any religion, but this is a real example of insulting the feelings of believers.
            1. Kronos 20 November 2019 17: 13 New
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              In a secular state, there can be no insult to the feelings of a separate category of believers in the law
              1. volodimer 20 November 2019 17: 33 New
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                Who argues, all religions are equal, and atheism also has its own rights. The state exists for that, any "religion" and atheism including yes were not attacked by opponents with such insults. Of course, the Russian Orthodox Church is the most “correct of the right ones” and “deserved”, but this does not mean that such tricks are permissible in her regard, but not in relation to other faiths.
                In my opinion, "PR" just beguiled the shores, but now it turns out that this is correct ...
                In the days of the USSR, I happened to visit the Baltic churches in Catholic churches (beautifully), I think that if I had danced an apple there (purely hypothetically), then I would have been foolish and would not protect any ECHR.
          2. Igoresha 20 November 2019 15: 59 New
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            or Putin
            "dvushchechku", yeah, furiously plus
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      1. Same lech 20 November 2019 08: 41 New
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        But for all observers and participants from Europe, this will look just like another gesture of goodwill on the part of Putin.

        Are you laughing at us ... Europe wants Russia to surrender Crimea ... stop helping LDNR ... and start keeping the political regime of the Natsiks in Ukraine for free as in the good old days ... that's what Europe wants.
  2. samarin1969 20 November 2019 06: 08 New
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    Why "interpret" the obvious? Once again, the Russian Federation "caved in." Kiev, already won the bill "for simple" draws.
    1. bessmertniy 20 November 2019 08: 12 New
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      What a deflection, if we got rid of Ukrainian scrap metal, with which we could not think of what to do! lol
      1. Chit 20 November 2019 10: 21 New
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        Reread the article again. And try to extract from it only the facts. They are like that.
        Russia gave Ukraine 3 ships.
        Ukraine did not give Russia 3 ships. And, judging by today's news, is not going to give.
        If this is not deflection, then what?
        The author's insinuations about scrap metal are an unsuccessful attempt to somehow save face.
        Plus, it’s also a blow to cheers-patriotism. You can shout loudly that Russia will comply only with its laws, but, as we see, the reality is different. As soon as the real danger of the arrest of Russian ships at foreign ports loomed, Ukrainian ships quickly surrendered.
        It turns out that the decision of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea is serious.
        1. bessmertniy 20 November 2019 10: 55 New
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          Convinced! Was wrong. I repent! recourse
  3. Amateur 20 November 2019 06: 30 New
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    I will venture to assert that the consequences of this move were well calculated in our Foreign Ministry.

    Blessed is he who believes. The Russian Foreign Ministry sat down to play cards with cheaters, so it loses all the time. But instead of grabbing the sharpie by the hand, they say to him: “Gentlemen! After all, you are“ partners. ”Let's live together,” to which the “partners” twist their fingers at the temple and keep the fig in their pocket.
    1. Deck 20 November 2019 08: 39 New
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      The Russian Foreign Ministry sat down to play cards with cheaters, so it loses all the time.


      Full boobies and suckers.
  4. 210ox 20 November 2019 06: 50 New
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    “And Putin will put Zelensky to the credit.” He won’t put him anywhere. He simply fulfilled another demand of the West.
  5. Ravik 20 November 2019 06: 58 New
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    All had to be drowned right away. For any of us mixed with mud.
    1. bessmertniy 20 November 2019 08: 13 New
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      For the first time it’s right to warn, and if there is no understanding, then the next time - to drown.
      1. Leshy1975 20 November 2019 13: 19 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        then next time

        laughing laughing laughing Yes, every time, it turns out the next all the time, and after him the next and then again the next and there is no end to all this. And it may well be that this is only the beginning.
        For the first time right - warn
        laughing laughing laughing
        For the first (last) Chinese time?
      2. Alf
        Alf 20 November 2019 18: 58 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        For the first time it’s right to warn, and if there is no understanding, then the next time - to drown.

        The expression "last Chinese warning" does not mean anything?
  6. Dimy4 20 November 2019 07: 05 New
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    demonstration of a bullet that didn’t understand where it came from and killed someone there

    He seemed to be then demonstrating a whole cartridge, Colin Powell parodied this time.
  7. Moore 20 November 2019 07: 29 New
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    The author did not convince with any of his arguments.
    Mutual curtsies, "acts of goodwill" in international politics have long passed. Any such Elven "movement of the soul" of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Commander-in-Chief is perceived in the modern world as weakness. Fulfilled the decision of the international court, gave the trough? Well, then the Stockholm decisions on fines can be knocked out of you.
    What are the lifting sanctions? What kind of "favor"?
    Our dishes are still with the skakuas. Zee is going to reformat the Minsk agreements on Norman gatherings in principle and talk about Crimea. The Ukrainian note with the requirements for the return of the pelvis and on time is absolutely correct from their position. Wouldn’t it be right for us to postpone at least an indefinite period of return?
    Well no, what are you. But we agreed. With cheaters, crooks and chaos. We are also proud of this, that by the rules we play.
    1. Military77 20 November 2019 09: 28 New
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      I am surprised by our diplomats and leaders. For so many years, it’s impossible to understand that the United States and its puppets will only fulfill the agreements when it is beneficial to them, and they don’t give a damn about any international law for a long time. Now to talk with these prostitutes is possible only from a position of strength, they do not want to understand another language.
      1. Kronos 20 November 2019 13: 14 New
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        Why did you decide that they don’t understand? They play shows for the public.
      2. Leshy1975 20 November 2019 13: 33 New
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        Quote: Military77
        I am surprised by our diplomats and leaders. For so many years, it’s impossible to understand that the United States and its puppets will only fulfill the agreements when it is beneficial to them, and they don’t give a damn about any international law for a long time. Now to talk with these prostitutes is possible only from a position of strength, they do not want to understand another language.

        Come on, they all understand. Just some very delicate and very expensive part of their nature, the West clasped in the palm of your hand and when necessary compresses. After which "our" leaders begin to talk falsetto and become very docile.

        PS If Che, I had in mind "acquired by excessive labor", and not what I could think of. laughing
  8. rocket757 20 November 2019 07: 37 New
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    Drown or return? Who bent under whom?

    STRENGTH RIGHT, I want gam, I do not want to give it back! ... why do we need these "troughs"?
    1. Boris55 20 November 2019 08: 59 New
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      STRENGTH RIGHT, I want gam, I do not want to give it back! ... why do we need these "troughs"?

      We don’t need them in figs, but as if for the withdrawal of troops at two points in the Donbass - we can also encourage them by giving them these little ships. Let them rejoice overpower, you look and about Donbass will calm down.
      1. rocket757 20 November 2019 09: 09 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        We don’t need them in figs, but as if for the withdrawal of troops at two points in the Donbass - we can also encourage them by giving them these little ships. Let them rejoice overpower, you look and about Donbass will calm down.

        This is all the "subtleties" of politics! If anyone needs to respond to "gestures" or have to do them, these are "partners" from the geyropa ... we can and disgustingly have no special value, but there are simply no others in that direction, and that side, all the same, is important! You just won’t get rid of it.
  9. Sergey Kirichenko 20 November 2019 08: 13 New
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    1. Something too simple they knocked out. These are new armored boats. Any questions ... to Poroshenko. They were made at his plants and financing for the manufacture was in his hands. Maybe this is extra evidence to investigate corruption?
    2. Ukraine is a sea power. The generals are always trying to push new weapons for their troops. There is a possibility that the admirals through the commander-in-chief will break through some sort of financing for the modern ship. But this probability is significantly reduced if you already have ships on your balance! And the fact that they can barely swim and huge funds go to repair and maintain them, and the combat value is doubtful, the Ministry of Finance will not convince. It is necessary to give the remnants of the divided fleet, even imposing it.
    1. kotvov 21 November 2019 13: 27 New
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      It is necessary to give the remnants of the divided fleet, even imposing it. ,,
      and how do you see this? can they add a green-loaded barge to them? or do you play your own game or play according to their rules.
  10. Guards turn 20 November 2019 08: 17 New
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    “Now that everything has settled down, let’s try to look calmly at the situation” ... Ustakanitsa is when the gas goes through specially constructed new gas pipelines around Ukraine - then we will dictate the conditions, we need to prioritize. Nobody is friends with the weak, they they finish it so that they do not recover, the rest - later.
    1. AnderS 20 November 2019 11: 30 New
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      Ustakanitsa - this is when gas goes through specially constructed new pipelines around Ukraine - then we will dictate the conditions, we need to prioritize.
      And for you and "patriots" like you, the main priority is to pump gas and oil? Selling a cheap homeland, no?
      1. Guards turn 20 November 2019 16: 28 New
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        Do you need the Americans to transport and sell their liquefied gas, while we stand by and watch? The energy market of Europe has been occupied by Russia, they will not give gas to Ukraine to steal next year, because close the pipe. The gas of the Saudis (aka American) did not go through Syria, it was not possible to lay a pipe. "Power of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "SP-2" it will all be filled with Russian gas.
        1. AnderS 20 November 2019 21: 23 New
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          Do you need the Americans to carry and sell their liquefied, while we stood aside and watched?
          I need, and not just me, I dare to suggest that Russian gas is primarily to the benefit of the Russian people ... And then they built gas pipelines, and a lot of settlements that are located near these same pipelines are still not gasified.
          "Power of Siberia", "Turkish Stream", "SP-2" it will all be filled with Russian gas.

          But I'm not sure that this gas is Russian ... On what grounds do you consider it Russian? By country of extraction? Yes, you can agree. But on the basis of whether it benefits the Russian people, this gas is absolutely not Russian ... Rather, it’s Gazprom’s gas ... And I don’t need to argue that Gazprom is paying taxes to the treasury ... It pays taxes with one hand and the other rowing debts ...

          https://versia.ru/gazprom-pri-millere-nesyot-ubytki-dazhe-pri-vysokoj-cene-na-gaz

          https://gag.news2.ru/story/358128/

          There are already so many coats that it is not clear how all this will be given back ... Or will Putin again ask for subsidies from the budget?
  11. The leader of the Redskins 20 November 2019 08: 43 New
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    Personally, my opinion is that the author overexposed unipolarly and simplistically illuminated this event.
    Did you get a trump card from your sleeve? Is it too late? Was the decision of the tribunal about six months ago? And they released it clearly before the summit. Significantly. It is this half-year delay that Ze can override.
    On the authorities .... And we filed in any tribunals? And why?
    And remember ourselves, our statements a year ago: to drown them! .. how to use targets! ... From a dead donkey ears! ..
    And now?
    1. Boris55 20 November 2019 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The decision of the tribunal was ...

      The decisions of these tribunals do not apply to Russia since we signed them only in terms of differentiating fisheries, even if these little boats are considered large fish, they were caught in our territorial waters, which have been such since ancient times.
      1. Avior 20 November 2019 11: 52 New
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        Under the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the tribunal itself first determines whether or not it is distributed.
        A similar situation was with the icebreaker Greenapis.
        The tribunal itself determined that the matter was in its jurisdiction, although even then Russia stated that the case did not fall under the jurisdiction of the tribunal.
        Russia has fully complied with the decision of the tribunal in that case.
  12. AK1972 20 November 2019 09: 02 New
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    The second precedent for the issue of material evidence. The first was in the Green Wagon. I wonder what was said in the act of acceptance? Are boats transferred for “safekeeping” or “for temporary use”?
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  14. Stas157 20 November 2019 09: 18 New
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    It was likely in Moscow that the Ukrainian sailors and three rusty little ships were too small pawns in the big game.

    All right gave these katerki. Now Ukraine will not have a formal reason to retain Russian vessels.
    Bulk carrier "Mechanic Pogodin" is still standing in Kherson. The seiner Nord is still in Berdyansk. NEYMA tanker, which blocked the passage under the Kerch bridge of Ukrainian violators, is arrested in Izmail
  15. Yrec 20 November 2019 09: 21 New
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    Blah blah blah - boredom! Everything that happened in Ukraine in 2014 and is still ongoing is the result of a strategic mistake by the leadership of the Russian Federation. All that has been happening for 5 years is throwing beads in front of pigs, an attempt to reach the collapse of Ukraine, and there it is integrating it in Russia in whole or in part. We play by the rules of others and we will definitely lose. It was impossible to recognize the seizure of power in 2014, it was necessary to outlaw those who committed it. Now in the West, Ukraine is trying to make Chechnya the model of 1995, and they are more or less succeeding. Everything goes to the point that the territory of Ukraine will be controlled by militarized gangs of Nazis, who will form “public opinion” about “aggressive Russia”, and the rest of the population will be shut up.
    PS I write Ukraine with a small letter, because this is a Polish word denoting the outskirts (unexpectedly).
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    A strange article from the series "... and eat a fish, and listen to music ..."
    Of the whole text, when reading in solid residue, there remains:
    - the return of the ships was predetermined (plus, the photo shows that the armored boat is being towed with both whole artillery modules, and the media broadcast that the weapons will be removed ...);
    - there is no answer to the “terrible” note of Ukromid - information coverage - according to the author of the article, too, it seems to leave much to be desired (even problems arise with propaganda, that is, either fools in the media or a directed ignore of wishes from above that "it looked beautiful ...");
    - priority is given to ensuring by-pass gas transportation at any cost, i.e. "nothing personal", only business ... (well, the profits of famous people from the business, by itself);
    - Russia has normalized (in fact, the main beneficiary of such normalization is Ukraine) the mode of passage of ships by the Kerch Strait;
    - LDNR will be shoved into Ukraine anyway ...
    "... in general, everyone died ... (S. to / f" Formula of love ")
  17. Antares 20 November 2019 10: 11 New
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    how quickly the article appeared
    "HPP. Why did you give the boats? Because we are the wines. And all the pockets."
    didn't they rush too quickly to explain?
    Well done MT and all. With a delay. And then there would be sanctions on MT. For trade and military (since the case was with the military)
    And MT, after ignoring, would simply ignore the Russian Federation.
    So no wonder. Not HPP, but MT.
    Let in words we are not like that, we won’t do it, and so on ..
  18. Sapsan136 20 November 2019 10: 35 New
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    Stupidity and crime, it is to give up weapons, any weapons, to a country that screams that it is fighting with Russia
  19. g1v2 20 November 2019 10: 40 New
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    Something it seems to me more and more that the courts have given in order to help Zelensky with a rating. After the adoption of the law on land, which three quarters of the population opposes, he began to sag. And then bam-help from the Russian Federation. Quick change, which can drown out dissatisfaction with land law. Kolomoisky, again, became painfully insolent with the West. belay
    It is believed that they have already agreed on something. Look at the gas talks next year - it will be a sure marker.
  20. Galleon 20 November 2019 10: 40 New
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    There is another nuance in the return of these pelvis, which some commentators have already mentioned here. Seiner “NORD” and other vessels pirated captured by Ukraine are not returned to the Russian Federation and will not be returned. But we unilaterally return the detained malomerki.
    Why are two interlinked issues not resolved together?
    Why is the exchange of captive ships not made?
    Who benefits from such a step?
    Does Russia have a win? - the author of the article convinces us that there is.
    However, the interests of sailors who have lost their jobs, the interests of their owners have once again remained with our state in oblivion and nullity. Why and what is so special that the state benefits from spitting on the interests of its citizens? I do not find an answer, except that it did so "out of habit."
    1. iouris 21 November 2019 22: 30 New
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      Well, purely theoretically. Can the state be a foreign agent?
  21. internal enemy 20 November 2019 13: 20 New
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    So the Ukrainians damaged the ships of the Russian Federation, interestingly emerald repaired
  22. Alexander Galaktionov 20 November 2019 15: 33 New
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    In general, it’s a shame and there’s another question who doesn’t leave anyone behind. Ukraine returned her sailor and ships. Well, well, well, Deputy of United Russia E. Fedorov: Raising the retirement age is the decision of the people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-syZWwmrn9M]
    1. Igoresha 20 November 2019 16: 06 New
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      E. Fedorov
      it’s a clown, moreover, stupid (see the program Revolver TV Krasnov vs. Fedorov) it’s even a pity to waste time on his ravings
      1. Alexander Galaktionov 20 November 2019 16: 08 New
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        The head of the NCD cannot even lie to the party of the government. Raising the retirement age is the decision of the people. lol
  23. sniperino 20 November 2019 16: 15 New
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    Zelensky declared his readiness for a reset in relations between Ukraine and Russia. The word should be followed by a deed.
    Just now, Ukrainian expert Vasyl knocked down American expert Greg on the air who is against. Maybe it has already begun ...
  24. Alexander Galaktionov 20 November 2019 19: 14 New
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    United Russia deputy E. Fedorov: Raising the retirement age is the decision of the people, here it is that the people were in favor of raising the retirement age and the united Russia against it so voted 9m 42 sec
  25. olegyurjewitch 20 November 2019 21: 18 New
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    Quote: Dimy4
    And do not care about public opinion, our country protects its territory

    Our policy, on the contrary, turns out to be the same - do not care about our country, we do everything with an eye on pan-European opinion, otherwise we would not think about anything bad there in the enlightened west.

    Only good about Russia, good, good and only good. laughing
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  27. iouris 21 November 2019 17: 44 New
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    Puzzle
    Where to set punctuation marks and which ones:
    *** Do not return to heat ***
  28. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 24 November 2019 12: 52 New
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    Through a line on all portals about Ukraine. Zadolbala.