US astronauts for the first time did not find a place in the Russian "Union"

US astronauts for the first time did not find a place in the Russian "Union"

Despite the requests of the American side, Russia still has not included US astronauts in the crews of the Soyuz manned spacecraft for the fall of 2020 and the spring of 2021 of the year. The last flight of a foreign astronaut together with the Russians is scheduled for next spring. This follows from the data published on the website of the Cosmonaut Training Center.


The last flight on the Russian Soyuz to the ISS of the American astronaut will take place next spring, the next two crews of manned spacecraft are completely Russian. According to the approved lists, in the fall of 2020 and in the spring of 2021 of the year, crews entirely consisting of Russian cosmonauts will leave for the ISS. The last time the entire Russian crew launched in 2000 to the Mir station, after which all flights were carried out with the participation of one or two foreign astronauts.

At the end of October this year, the head of NASA Jim Brydenstein sent a letter to the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin with a request to provide one place in the crews of the ships, the launch of which is scheduled for 2020-2021 of the year. This request is due to a delay in the program of American manned ships.

The head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin in response stated that this violates Roscosmos’s plans for a set of tests and experiments aboard the ISS, so a decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two additional Soyuz spacecraft.

In early October, the head of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), James Brydenstein, said the United States did not intend to refuse to cooperate with Roscosmos to deliver astronauts to the ISS, despite the fact that “you have to pay for every place.”
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  1. Honest Citizen 19 November 2019 09: 36 New
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    Despite the requests of the American side, Russia still has not included US astronauts in the crews of the Soyuz manned spacecraft in the fall of 2020 and the spring of 2021.

    Not even surprised. The sleepwalkers do not give them a visa, they say, they say they submitted documents late and didn’t fill out in form
    1. Civil 19 November 2019 09: 58 New
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      The overwhelming success of Rogozin, that powerfully spoke, came right in from the last trump cards. Krasava, Rogozin has the future of cosmonautics. Success after success follows the decisions of Roscosmos.
      1. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 10: 06 New
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        Quote: Civil
        Krasava, Rogozin has the future of cosmonautics.

        Correctly. We don’t need spacecraft designers; space will be ruled by "managers". Go to the next victories in space exploration!
        1. Thrall 19 November 2019 10: 09 New
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          Russian cosmonauts and american astronauts, a priori, cannot fly on the same ship smile
          1. orionvitt 19 November 2019 11: 28 New
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            Quote: Thrall
            Russian cosmonauts and american astronauts

            Because our cosmonauts fly into space, and their "astronauts," by definition, must fly to the stars. But something there for the Mask is not a task. Yes, and in the “Boeing” in any way. Ay, members of the Mask sect, maybe a trampoline? laughing What, ate? Laughs the one who laughs last. Eat with a bun, and the American "space pilot program"! laughing And how many conversations, America will crush everyone, Musk steers. But in fact, zilch. Great America, almost, crawled on its knees, give a place.
            1. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 03 New
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              Not yet evening! Let's see who will be the last to laugh, stupid managers of the Kremlin or genius in the USA
              1. Vladimir16 19 November 2019 12: 57 New
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                Quote: Perun Horch
                geniuses in the USA

                Are you an offspring, dear?
                Dumb, outright shit stuffing on the fan. The problem is that the fan is blowing in your direction. laughing
                Wanted to provoke anger? laughing
                Besides laughter, such nonsense does not deserve anything.

                What are you down to? You can’t even pick it up.
                1. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 19: 05 New
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                  Oh sorry! I did not notice the genius of Rogozin and Roskilcosmos
              2. Lone gunman 19 November 2019 17: 14 New
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                Yes ... and not only Musk “indulges in space ships”, but also Boeing & KO do this, L. Martin-about the “Hollywood” project Astra, the current sitters are unlikely to hear, and the Angles with their engine are amazing, but Rogozin and other handsome bouncers ahead of the rest.
                1. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 21: 32 New
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                  You're right! It is a pity that the Urikals do not get the fact that Russia is lagging behind every day! If earlier Roskosmos worked as a taxi driver, now it will lose this option! And it’s a pity that they lost the greatest heritage of the USSR in Space!
                  1. Lone gunman 19 November 2019 22: 07 New
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                    The Russians, or rather, the Russians, have time ... until the age of 25, we wish good health to Mr. Putin, but what next ... each for himself, like the 90s? I think the times are not the same, but there will be some confusion.
            2. hohol95 19 November 2019 15: 55 New
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              The term "astronautics" first appeared in the title of the scientific work "Introduction to Astronautics" on interplanetary travel. Thanks to the author Ari Sternfeld, the words “astronaut” and “cosmodrome” entered the Russian language. The term "astronautics" was then considered exotic, the author was even criticized for the use of the term "astronautics" instead of the term "navigation" that was established in Russian.

              Why are astronauts in Russia and astronauts in America?
              MyRussia.life
              Could we have "explorers"!
          2. AllXVahhaB 19 November 2019 15: 15 New
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            About teikunavtov forgot ...
      2. Air force 19 November 2019 10: 24 New
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        I understand sarcasm? Rogozin is not very pleasant to me either, posturing and all that, but then what did he do wrong? The Amerikos themselves have been saying all this year that they refuse to fly, and they have also approved their refusal in the Senate, such as we no longer need, etc. Unions for them did not do, because all this was agreed in advance. Then the “Americans” did not grow together and they thought that the Russians would move and were refused. And according to your logic, did Rogozin have to go on about the “Americans”? Or do you think that when the Americans finish their ships, they will remember this for us, so we had to get into a position, etc. blah blah blah. As for me, I’ll do it. For Americans, partnership is when the partner is in the elbow-elbow pose, which is why they behaved so presumptuously in this case, bravado in the Senate for the amusement of the public, and got a hole from the donut.
        1. demo 19 November 2019 10: 36 New
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          That is, an interesting situation arises. The ISS is an international project, and will the Russians fly there?
          Trampoline finally provided the Americans!
        2. Chit 19 November 2019 10: 42 New
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          Who behaved arrogantly in this case, we will find out in a year or two.
          Then it turns out who actually got the donut hole.
          And again about trampolines.
          1. bessmertniy 19 November 2019 10: 59 New
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            Well, we drove amers - we need to know the measure. In the end, they didn’t figure out which of them drilled the board there.
            1. aleks26 19 November 2019 11: 16 New
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              Quote: bessmertniy
              didn’t figure out which of them drilled the board there.

              Maybe it was so?

              Chronology of events:

              20.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. Around noon GMT, flight engineer Serena Aunion closes for half an hour in the high-tech toilet “Waste and Hygiene Compartments”, which is the pride of American astronautics, after which it (the astro-toilet) fails and, as it turns out later, cannot be repaired.

              21.08.2018. The crew commander, Andrew Fustel, has been conducting long negotiations with Russian cosmonauts, in obscene terms characterizes diapers and "this damn woman," and urgently requests permission to go to the toilet in the Russian module.
              After that, the Russian cosmonauts report to the management about the problem that has arisen, but the Mission Control Center (MCC) does not agree on this solution, since our bathroom and its tanks are designed for only two people. and "he just can’t stand the extra load." In addition, sanctions, you understand.

              22.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. The American astronauts and the German who joined them are engaged in a heated discussion with the transition to Serena Aunion’s personality: “Now, after filling all the regular garbage containers, to put on the used diapers?”

              They decide to temporarily store the diapers in A7L spacesuits designed for spacewalks. Serena Aunion is constantly crying, says that she’s smelling disgusting at the ISS and demands a special attitude, because she is a woman.

              23.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. Crew commander Andrew Fustel reports to Houston about the critical situation that has arisen in the American segment and sets out a request to send the ship for evacuation of Serena Aunion “for health reasons”, but Houston refuses him because “the money for the Russian cosmotaxi was not laid down in the budget of the NASA expedition "," Build relations there as you want. "
              Serena Aunion is crying.

              24.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. There is a serious conflict on the ISS US segment due to the fact that Serena Aunion is outraged by the unsanitary conditions in outer space, and that she “no longer intends to constantly drag diapers, sniff and watch all this shit that flies all over the segment”, tries to beat space plates on the floor and clings to the hair of a German who fell under a hot hand.

              25.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. Russian cosmonauts are going out into outer space to carry out the work of putting four nanosatellites into orbit, installing the antenna of the Russian-German experiment “ICARUS”, and disposing of two spent electronic blocks, which will then have to burn out in the atmosphere. The astronauts categorically refuse to dispose of containers with diapers, since this is not part of their flight mission. Yes, and sanctions, you understand.

              At the same time, flight engineer Serena Aunion, invisibly for others, enters the toilet of the Russian segment (locks on toilets, as is known, are not provided for by ISS regulations), takes out a portable electric drill from wide legs and with a cry of despair “So don’t get anyone ! " drills a hole in the toilet wall / station building.

              Upon returning to the station, the Russian cosmonauts detect a signal from the security system about depressurization and immediately compensate for the pressure loss by pressurization by 10 mm Hg from the tanks of the Progress MS-09 spacecraft docked to the ISS.

              26.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX. On the American segment is a tough debriefing. Serena Aunion, weeping, confesses that she made a hole in the station’s hull and that she “simply didn’t see another option for calling the ship," and she also “wanted to call cosmotaxi at the expense of the Russians and simultaneously discredited backward Russian technologies” . The crew commander urges her to calm down and praises her for her ingenuity. The war of sanctions, you understand.

              Meanwhile, Russian cosmonauts, centimeter by centimeter, examine the ISS hull with the help of a special electronic video endoscope “jProbe NT” and, as a result, they find in the toilet a perfectly round hole with a diameter of 2 mm through which air whistles through itself.
              1. Aleksandr21 19 November 2019 13: 29 New
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                Quote: aleks26
                Chronology of events:


                They only forgot to mark it as "Humor", otherwise the patriots will read these versions and then they will begin to pass them off as truth. But seriously, something of ours is darkening, and it is not the matter of the Americans, there Rogozin not so long ago stated that they say we know the reason but we won’t tell anyone, and when the journalists turned to NASA with this question, they stated that they still don’t know the reasons, but they will make a request to Roskosmos on this situation. Then the media flashed infa that the agencies agreed to keep everything secret ... and it seems that this is a jamb on our part, they made a marriage in production (possibly the assembly stage), then they tried to seal the hole with sealant and, unfortunately, that's all us and came around (but IMHO of course).
                1. aleks26 19 November 2019 14: 13 New
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                  Quote: Aleksandr21
                  Forgot to only mark as "Humor"

                  Well, in every joke, there is some truth.
            2. aleks26 19 November 2019 11: 21 New
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              Quote: bessmertniy
              didn’t figure out which of them drilled the board there.

              NASA Director’s Order of September 19, 2018 NPD 2540.1H for disciplinary action against the astronaut Serena Aunion.
              The order has a special mark "For official use."
              As follows from the order, a penalty was imposed on her for a systematic violation of the rules of conduct on the ISS and damage to state property, about which an appropriate entry was made in the astronaut's account card.
              In accordance with the terms of the concluded contract, the cost of repairing the toilet in the American module and the restoration of the ISS corps in the Russian segment were withheld from the fee of Serena Aunion.
              Serena Aunion is deprived of the right to wear the silver “Ready for Work and Defense (RWD)” badge.
              The order was communicated to all structural units of the organization and taken under special control by the director of NASA.
            3. aleks26 19 November 2019 11: 33 New
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              Quote: bessmertniy
              didn’t figure out which of them drilled the board there.

              https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/marafonec/72034450/3739268/3739268_900.png
              1. aleks26 19 November 2019 12: 31 New
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                order scan
                1. Tsoy 19 November 2019 19: 22 New
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                  order scan


                  I specially spent time and looked a little for information. So ... Your first comment and a colorful description of a toilet breakdown has surfaced for the first time in a set of obscure subjects calling themselves journalists. A gambit of something there. All their conclusions occurred before going out into outer space and opening the cover of the Union, which made it clear that they tried to cover the hole on Earth with a sealant. So this supposedly bike which here periodically walks even to the level of "humor" falls short.

                  The order is even better. Firstly, how did a document marked for official use only appear on the Internet? And only in the Russian segment of the Internet and on any icteric sites like drive.by?
                  And the second one. Have you even read it yourself? Point D. Literally. Deliver this order to all NASA employees and entities. That is, with a disciplinary document, you need to familiarize every cleaner and janitor at NASA?
                  And yes, in the NODIS library under the number NPD 2540 which is indicated on the document, this is hiding:

                  Acceptable Use of Government Office Property Including Information Technology


                  Those. The possible use of state property including information technology ... NASA directives are published in the NODIS library and no one passes orders through it.

                  https://nodis3.gsfc.nasa.gov/displayDir.cfm?t=NPD&c=2540&s=1I

                  So stupid fakes are hard to find. It is sadder that there are people who do not even try to think. And even sadder is that once a serious resource turned into a garbage can. That's all I wanted to say.
                  1. Kazbek 19 November 2019 21: 18 New
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                    A serious resource has turned into garbage for a long time. Read articles and comments on them for 2010-11 and compare them with today. Once settled on this site precisely because of the competent comments on serious articles. Now there is an analogue of contacting. Gee-gee, gu-gu, monosyllabic comments and dances bulk up. A generational change has taken place. The Soviet "old-timers" were replaced by victims of the exam - children of the 90s.
                    1. Dart 20 November 2019 00: 13 New
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                      Yeah ... that's for sure ...
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                      1. Kazbek 20 November 2019 17: 44 New
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                        Quote: Perun Horch
                        Russia is ahead of all and that's that!


                        Don’t touch Vasya Vakulenko! laughing
          2. Air force 19 November 2019 11: 06 New
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            And what is there to find out, what are you talking about? The Americans said that we will not fly on your ships, we will have our own by this time. Self-confidently said? They were told well, then we will not build Unions for you, since they have been under construction for 2 years. Americans said well do not build, we will fly on their own. Then they broke off and said we changed our minds, we will fly on your move. Presumptuousness? They were told no, because everything was already taken. Where is the arrogance of Roscosmos. I don’t understand something. Do you change places in this particular case of the Russian Federation and the USA so that the Americans would answer in this case? But at the moment they have a donut hole. And after a year or two, who told you that there will be no second hole?
            1. Evil echo 19 November 2019 11: 28 New
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              The main thing is that they don’t get blown away in a year or two, there are no places and that's it, wait, we’ll build it again and there may be a Toda, but not exactly.
          3. Prisoner 19 November 2019 11: 20 New
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            Remember, remember. At the same time, learn the phrase - "You will not have an extra ticket?". laughing
        3. Olgovich 19 November 2019 11: 04 New
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          The Americans "themselves all this year have been saying that they refuse to fly, and they also approved the refusal of the Senate, we like no longer need, etc.

          Only the INSURERS Mark Pompeo declared to the whole world that the Unions no longer needed. yes
          Look good, yeah ...
        4. abrakadabre 19 November 2019 11: 58 New
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          The Amerikos themselves have been saying all this year that they refuse to fly, and they have also approved their refusal in the Senate, such as we no longer need, etc. Unions for them did not do, because all this was agreed in advance. Then the “Americans” did not grow together and they thought that the Russians would move and were refused.
          It turns out the situation is like with the Baltic states with its exit from the BREL: they threatened to disconnect from our electric networks, and ours took and accelerated this moment ... slightly.
          So here it seems.
          Such an elegant message with three letters ...
      3. axiles100682 19 November 2019 10: 56 New
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        Your sarcasm is a little incomprehensible in this particular topic. Rogozin nevertheless rolled out his famous trampoline to the Americans
      4. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 02 New
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        With this refusal, Rogozin will accelerate the launch of American rockets with astronauts on board!
        1. Mestny 19 November 2019 12: 19 New
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          Very well. All this leads to technological diversity and the development of civilization as a whole.
          Moreover, the Unions have not gone away, which means that our cosmonauts do not need to buy tickets on American ships even if they appear.
        2. Tank hard 19 November 2019 13: 16 New
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          With this refusal, Rogozin will accelerate the launch of American rockets with astronauts on board!

          That's good. Let's help the "partners" in the development of rocket science, brotherly! wink laughing
      5. Kazbek 19 November 2019 21: 04 New
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        And what is wrong with his speech? There are no places and that’s it. He said nothing more. What trump card? What are you raving about, comrade?
      6. zloybond 24 November 2019 23: 25 New
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        I think everything is sorted out about the work of Rogozin on "compromising ru" (the cosmic wealth of Rogozin) for one thing and about the quality of his work, you can immediately understand everything. Unless, of course, the moderators do not swear, I will give a link to think a little. http://www.compromat.ru/page_40807.htm
  2. Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 09: 39 New
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    How is it in the movie "Cinderella" ..
    "Your time is up"....
  3. Loess 19 November 2019 09: 43 New
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    According to the approved lists, in the fall of 2020 and in the spring of 2021 of the year, crews entirely consisting of Russian cosmonauts will leave for the ISS.
    An ominous ghost of a trampoline looming in front of NASA?
    1. Cut Samshitov 19 November 2019 10: 47 New
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      According to the approved lists, in the fall of 2020 and in the spring of 2021 of the year, crews entirely consisting of Russian cosmonauts will leave for the ISS.
      An ominous ghost of a trampoline looming in front of NASA?

      But what about Ylon Musk in Tesla?
      1. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 08 New
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        Elon Musk works and works successfully!



        1. Mestny 19 November 2019 12: 20 New
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          Would you walk from here, juvenile troll.
  4. OlezhkaKravchenko 19 November 2019 09: 43 New
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    Rebuild America. Now space is closed to them.
    1. Perun Horch 19 November 2019 12: 08 New
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      Are you sure about that? Soon space will be closed for Russia due to managers like Rogozin
    2. Bykov. 19 November 2019 14: 13 New
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      Rebuild America. Now space is closed to them.

      That's for sure. Added up! Here are the idiots.
  5. JonnyT 19 November 2019 09: 45 New
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    Some kind of swing. Either they fly, they don’t fly, then we’ll move, or not, then we won’t build ships, then we allotted money.
    1. Elephant 19 November 2019 09: 52 New
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      They fool us in the long run in order to ultimately derive financial benefits for themselves.
      1. Sergey39 19 November 2019 14: 51 New
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        The pepper is clear. Fill the price. Well, right. How else? We must use the moment. The delivery price has increased from 20 million to 86, and now it is possible to raise another 2 times. We will avenge the gold lendlis.
  6. Victor_B 19 November 2019 09: 46 New
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    Not exactly
    US astronauts for the first time found a place on the Russian "Union"

    instead of buying tickets for Unions.
    Apparently not their missiles are already hoping.
  7. Fedorov 19 November 2019 09: 46 New
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    In short ... The USSR hurt "disappeared did not die. Glory to those who remained at work and educates young people.
  8. G. Georgiev 19 November 2019 09: 50 New
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    It is a pity that the Russian space program, even 35 tons, cannot lift it into orbit. New Chinese and American developments will make Russian conservative engineers regret the lost status of a great space state
    1. Fedorov 19 November 2019 10: 07 New
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      "Have you come from America, inalid wisely? Learn the materiel. Oluh king of heaven.
    2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 10: 10 New
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      Quote: G. Georgiev
      New Chinese and American developments

      Well, for that guy so mediocre minos?
    3. DenZ 19 November 2019 10: 19 New
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      Quote: G. Georgiev
      New Chinese and American developments will make Russian conservative engineers regret the lost status of a great space state

      When forced then you will write. In the meantime, this is only a nagging.
  9. Gerneton 19 November 2019 09: 51 New
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    Rogozin the best, will finally make NASA move, so that without him, a birthmark and without his son can only be done! Savior! laughing
    1. asv363 19 November 2019 10: 27 New
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      It's not about Rogozin's figure. The Americans began work on their new missiles before his appointment. Put in his place even Korolev, this would not have affected their plans.
  10. Sayan 19 November 2019 09: 52 New
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    And I liked Rogozin’s answer, they don’t need to know what our cosmonauts will test and what to experiment with. And nobody will drill a hole)))
    1. Avior 19 November 2019 10: 01 New
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      The hole has already been drilled.
      And the one who did this on Earth is silent, as cut off.
    2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 10: 13 New
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      Quote: Sayan
      I liked Rogozin’s answer

      I like the same answer. To pay tribute to Rogozin, as a "manager" he is not bad, and he does not go into his pocket for a word. But the rest ...... I’ll better say, I don’t know. (so that the liberals are not offended)
      1. Svarog 19 November 2019 11: 40 New
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        To pay tribute to Rogozin, as a "manager" he’s not bad,

        A manager or manager is a manager. And he is a bad manager. You obviously meant that Rogozin is not a bad journalist. Here I agree with you, knows how to chat .. and really doesn’t get into a pocket for a word .. hi
        1. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 11: 43 New
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          And he is a bad manager. You obviously meant that Rogozin is not a bad journalist.

          What a manager, that a journalist is the same "Meli Emelya, your week."
          1. Svarog 19 November 2019 11: 51 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Svarog
            And he is a bad manager. You obviously meant that Rogozin is not a bad journalist.

            What a manager, that a journalist is the same "Meli Emelya, your week."

            I don’t agree, the managers are different .. there were those in history that weren’t verbose)) Look or a few words was enough for the ministries to start working around the ports XNUMX hours a day .. and the results were different. For this reason, the manager is very different from the journalist ..
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          Quote: Svarog
          A manager or manager is a manager.

          And here everything is the same. To manage, supervise, and it is easier to "Follow the movement of the hand", therefore, there is no return.
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Svarog
            A manager or manager is a manager.

            And here everything is the same. To manage, supervise, and it is easier to "Follow the movement of the hand", therefore, there is no return.

            In the case of Rogozin, that's for sure ..
            1. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 12: 05 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              In the case of Rogozin, that's for sure ..

              And with his son, and with the leaders of the propulsion, aircraft construction and other corporations, the same thing, no forward shifts are observed. As people say "curve brake".
  11. Potato 19 November 2019 09: 53 New
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    Tse good) finally, a cattail was shown to a peasant, not a selling rag.

    If in the spring the American did not fly to the ISS, then it would be generally nice!

    Let the station stay american-free for a couple of years. In the meantime, they will not be there - redo the docking modules. The mask is allowed to dock only for money.

    Or let their new station build and fly to ....
    1. Good_Anonymous 19 November 2019 10: 05 New
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      Quote: Potato
      If in the spring the American did not fly to the ISS, then it would be generally nice!


      Who and why will it be better?

      Quote: Potato
      remake docking modules. The mask is allowed to dock only for money.


      Well, yes, redo the American segment, to which Dragon docked. Why not just walk it with a sledgehammer? Let them know.
      1. Potato 19 November 2019 10: 12 New
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        Let be)))

        Because the head of the nasa has more than once or twice made unfriendly statements towards Roskosmos and the Russian Federation. Therefore, it is time to give an answer. And without Americans, there are those who want to fly to the ISS.
        1. Good_Anonymous 19 November 2019 10: 16 New
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          Quote: Potato
          the head of nasa has made unfriendly statements to the Russian Space Agency and the Russian Federation more than once or twice


          Of course you can quote them? So that's it from the head of NASA.
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          Because the head of the nasa has more than once or twice made unfriendly statements towards Roskosmos and the Russian Federation.


          Never the past nor the current head of NASA made any "unfriendly" statements.
      2. abrakadabre 19 November 2019 12: 03 New
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        Well, yes, redo the American segment, to which Dragon docked. Why not just walk it with a sledgehammer? Let them know.
        Why so rude?! Let it fit together. Hatches just don't open. And all the short life. You can even publicize about the failure of the seal. And not to open. The main thing is not to warn about this in advance. To take off and fly. That is, in economic terms, I spent the start and flight money.
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          Let it fit together. Hatches just don't open. And all the short life.


          For a 12-year-old, this is a great idea.
      3. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 12: 21 New
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        Who and why will it be better?

        We do not "take" them to space for free. Shipment is a business, for one place you have to spend about 80 million dollars. For tourists ROSKOSMOS offers for 50 million dollars. More "tourists" more dollars.
        1. Good_Anonymous 19 November 2019 12: 34 New
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          This is what we’re talking about - nobody will be better off. The USA will not take astronauts; Russia will not receive money.
      4. zlinn 19 November 2019 12: 26 New
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        And when you consider that another docking unit can only be brought on a dragon, then generally funny
    2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 10: 31 New
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      Or let their new station build and fly to ....
      Today, the ISS is the most expensive project in the history of mankind, which is supported by dozens of countries, the real cost of the project turned out to be 150 billion dollars and the burden fell not only on Roscosmos and NASA, but also on the space agencies of the program partner countries. The total cost of the flight program, including the cost of ships, the sale of seats for crews of the American side and numerous launches, has long exceeded 50 billion dollars. Very soon (2024 or 2028 year) the ISS will complete its operational life and will be flooded in the cemetery of spacecraft. And it is not up to us to decide who, what, when, but the delivery of goods and crews has so far been our prerogative. But time goes forward, everything changes, progress cannot be stopped. And who in 2030 will be the first in space will depend on ourselves.
      1. abrakadabre 19 November 2019 12: 05 New
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        the most expensive project in human history
        Here you exaggerate a little. The same project to rearm the US Army on the F-35 is estimated to be much more expensive. Almost an order of magnitude. And this is at current prices.
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          The same project to rearm the US Army on the F-35 is estimated to be much more expensive. Almost an order of magnitude.


          An order of magnitude is all the costs for the entire program over 40 years. But the ISS is the most expensive building.
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            But the ISS is the most expensive building.
            Of course it is very expensive. But not sure what the most.
    3. Dikson 19 November 2019 10: 49 New
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      The Americans will simply disconnect the power supply to the ISS or reload a couple of systems .. if they themselves can’t fly there .. And the tin can will hang in space dead .. They won’t let us host the ISS alone ..
      1. axiles100682 19 November 2019 11: 03 New
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        In this case, we can undock our segments from the US in general and add the necessary new segments to the existing ones and get our national station. MIR-2
        1. Dikson 19 November 2019 11: 11 New
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          No you can not. There are already so many things connected and connected that it is easier to drop everything together. In addition, if the memory of the power supply of the entire ISS does not fail me, this is an American module.
          1. axiles100682 19 November 2019 11: 18 New
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            Nothing is impossible. A station is by definition of a modular type. Any module can be undocked and re-docked. And I wrote in my comment that add new ones to the missing segments. This is of course an extreme case and costly, but if the relationship worsens further sooner or later it will happen
          2. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 12: 26 New
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            In addition, if the memory of the power supply of the entire ISS does not fail me, this is an American module.

            Theirs, and the station is common. Here you will not understand who is more, or less, and what invested. Once we sat down together, we need to go to the end together.
            1. axiles100682 19 November 2019 13: 06 New
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              I understood that theirs immediately, but you didn’t understand, I wrote that theirs, in which case, can be replaced by ours, built and launched.
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                I wrote that theirs, in which case, can be replaced by ours, built and launched

                I’ve done this in my country house a couple of times, but in space I didn’t have to.
                1. axiles100682 19 November 2019 13: 54 New
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                  Nevertheless, I think if such a colossus was assembled in space, they will be able to disassemble and rebuild. This, of course, is the last option when the Russian Federation and the United States stop all contacts with each other. But as they say they hope it is necessary for the best and is preparing for the worst. And about the energy independence of our segment need to worry now
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                    Nevertheless, I think if such a colossus was collected in space, then they will be able to disassemble and rebuild.

                    Why do something, in five years they’ll flood anyway (they will decide in the 2011 year).
            2. axiles100682 19 November 2019 13: 21 New
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              Look at the location of the modules. The Russians are located compactly in one segment. It is quite possible to undock and transfer to another orbit. With the power supply, you are right, the shortage will be critical, but putting an energy module with solar panels into orbit is not a problem. The ISS will have much more problems without the Russian segment There will be practically no docking gateways, there will be nothing to go out into space.
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                where will they go? there they have two docking nodes for manned ships and 3 free for trucks, and a gateway to exit in the Japanese module, and the Americans will have to leave the dawn,
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          There is only one segment from the Russian one! If it is theoretically removed, then the ISS will not be affected
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            Everyone has a segment there. You better see which modules are included in this segment.
            1. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 13: 56 New
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              Everyone has a segment there. You better see which modules are included in this segment.

              I love our Russian homegrown experts and designers. They are all connoisseurs of "And the Swiss and the Reaper, and the Iguess in the pipe." Well, now resentment will fall, I already said this on aircraft engines, how many angry “geniuses” were
        3. zlinn 19 November 2019 12: 31 New
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          This, unfortunately, is also not possible. 2.5 Russian units will not be able to work on their own, they will not have enough electricity and heat transfer, and the expected new units are still on the ground, and God forbid that a year and a half later fly
          1. Genry 19 November 2019 13: 21 New
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            2.5 Russian units will not be able to work on their own, they will not have enough electricity and heat transfer

            Everything is possible there. In the photo from top to bottom: Unity, Dawn, Star, Progress.
            American Unity was powered by the Russian segment.

            This is a photo of the initial stage of the ISS.
            1. zlinn 19 November 2019 13: 52 New
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              Well, at first it was so, and it didn’t consume a lot of resources, but it was originally designed and designed for trusses, and even though the dawn is included in the PC, it is legally an American module, and just like that without serious consequences, you can’t undock it, yes and no one needs it
  12. Skay 19 November 2019 09: 55 New
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    Despite the requests of the American side, Russia still has not included US astronauts in the crews of the Soyuz manned spacecraft in the fall of 2020 and the spring of 2021.

    And it was necessary to follow the bazaar ... wink
  13. Dikson 19 November 2019 09: 55 New
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    The title is so pompous .. and at the end of the article: A decision was made to allocate funds for the construction of two more "Unions" ..)) If there were no places in the available ships for the Americans, we will build two more ships for them! Well, I hope we don’t offend ourselves ..))
  14. paul3390 19 November 2019 09: 58 New
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    Let the station stay american-free for a couple of years.

    It is certainly great, but - and who will then support the Amer segment of the ISS in working order? The station is of a common type! Well this is not an apartment where you can stupidly close one room ..
    1. Andrey Chistyakov 19 November 2019 10: 04 New
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      Quote: Potato
      Let the station stay american-free for a couple of years.

      It is certainly great, but - and who will then support the Amer segment of the ISS in working order? The station is of a common type! Well this is not an apartment where you can stupidly close one room ..

      Skay has the answer above ...
    2. donavi49 19 November 2019 10: 34 New
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      A couple of years is doubtful. Less than a month is left - if on December 17 the flight is ok = then the Boeing will fulfill all NASA checks and receive permission for the first manned flight.

      If in December the Mask doesn’t smell at MaxQ, then he will fulfill all the points and get access to the manned flight.

      Plus minus a couple of months there will probably be more delays. Again - if Robot Fedor does not twist the wiring there at the factory, he will not hammer a pair of sensors with a sledgehammer. It’s most likely that Boeing will fly off - stay a month on the ISS and return. Then the planned manned (Boeing Crewed Flight Test) with 3 astronauts for spring-summer.

      They need unions to break in for another year and a half. In case of problems, delays and in general, the load of debugging should be reduced from contractors. Without prejudice to their research program on the ISS. Since arriving at Boe-CFT and USCV-1 (Mask) - will be loaded with work with the ship / 1005000 checks and more. No research program will physically come out of them. USCV-2 and USCV-3 - will already be with a scientific program, but most likely will leave in the winter or 21 year.
      1. slipped 19 November 2019 13: 18 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        If in December the Mask doesn’t smell at MaxQ, then he will fulfill all the points and get access to the manned flight.


        let it fly laughing

        Quote: donavi49
        Plus minus a couple of months there will probably be more delays.


        Of course, and already carefully said so laughing

        Quote: donavi49
        Again - if Robot Fedor does not twist the wiring there at the factory, he will not hammer a pair of sensors with a sledgehammer.


        it remains only to jerk and scribble

        Quote: donavi49
        It’s most likely that Boeing will fly off - stay a month on the ISS and return.


        in an unmanned version, manned - no more than a week as part of the station

        Quote: donavi49
        Then the planned manned (Boeing Crewed Flight Test) with 3 astronauts for spring-summer.


        or fall

        Quote: donavi49
        They need unions to break in for another year and a half.


        Unions are needed for the crew of the station. laughing
        1. donavi49 19 November 2019 15: 33 New
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          1) Well, Musk did not fly this year, due to the explosion of the ship at the check in preparation for MaxQ. If there was no emergency, most likely he would fly under the Christmas tree.

          2) Boeing. Partly due to problems at the beginning of the year with financing (do not forget about the US national fun - war for the budget, this affected the financing of the program, although this is more of a legitimate reason to still be transferred to 3 of the month). Partly due to various improvements and other delays.

          3) Unions are needed as insurance for the future, if new problems arise with the ships. And on the first 2 missions - the crews of which will carry out an intense program of testing and inspections of the ship. Therefore, there will be no time and opportunities to download for the rest of the program. That is - in fact there will be a drawdown of the target load in the international segment of the ISS.

          4) Well, you understand that this is a matter of the near future. When will they commission their ships, more advanced than the Union?
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            1) Well, Musk did not fly this year, due to the explosion of the ship at the check in preparation for MaxQ. If there was no emergency, most likely he would fly under the Christmas tree.


            Ah yes, water hammer with instant injection of liquid fuel. Who would have thought! lol But earlier the rescue system of past ships was on solid fuel elements, except for the shuttles, it was not there at all, apart from the ersatz with the pole introduced later. laughing Starliner’s beautiful orange haze is just a song.



            By the way, both at Soyuz MS and at PTK NP, their SAS and even landing systems are solid fuel.

            Quote: donavi49
            2) Boeing. Partly due to problems at the beginning of the year with financing (do not forget about the US national fun - war for the budget, this affected the financing of the program, although this is more of a legitimate reason to still be transferred to 3 of the month). Partly due to various improvements and other delays.


            It happens. Jam Webb can be rescheduled again.

            Quote: donavi49
            3) Unions are needed as insurance for the future, if new problems arise with the ships. And on the first 2 missions - the crews of which will carry out an intense program of testing and inspections of the ship. Therefore, there will be no time and opportunities to download for the rest of the program. That is - in fact there will be a drawdown of the target load in the international segment of the ISS.


            "MS Unions" - they are always insurance. laughing Both for the Shuttle and for new NASA vehicles. But only in recent years, everyone uses this insurance very much. laughing "Drawdown", as you say, if it is, it will only be on the ISS AS.

            Quote: donavi49
            4) Well, you understand that this is a matter of the near future. When will they commission their ships, more advanced than the Union?


            Firstly, these ships (Dragon and Starliner) are not "more progressive" than the Soyuz MS TPK - functionally, in detail, they are weaker. Secondly - read the manual on the station, everything is written there, what will be there and how.
    3. tihonmarine 19 November 2019 12: 28 New
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      Well this is not an apartment where you can stupidly close one room ..

      Yes, and the apartment can’t close the passage room.
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    But I think that at the convincing request of the "American workers", the trampoline / Vedas will give them a reserved seat)) Bo, what about business / profit ???))
  16. paul3390 19 November 2019 10: 06 New
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    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Quote: paul3390
    Quote: Potato
    Let the station stay american-free for a couple of years.

    It is certainly great, but - and who will then support the Amer segment of the ISS in working order? The station is of a common type! Well this is not an apartment where you can stupidly close one room ..

    Skay has the answer above ...

    The answer is wonderful, but alas, it does not answer the question: can the ISS Russian segment fully function with a canned American one?
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      “The answer is wonderful, but alas, it does not answer the question: can the ISS Russian segment fully function with a canned American?”
      Question to the USA. They thought for a long time.
      1. Tarasios 19 November 2019 10: 26 New
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        Well, why not? To Russian side the space latrine works, so everything will be fine;)
    2. zlinn 19 November 2019 12: 36 New
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      It can’t, like in general and vice versa, this stupidity is not even discussed among specialists, no matter what the politicians say, and the experts of all space agencies cooperate, and do not make stupid statements
    3. slipped 19 November 2019 13: 23 New
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      The answer is wonderful, but alas, it does not answer the question: can the ISS Russian segment fully function with a canned American one?


      Answer - Yes, it can. The word "canned" does not mean that the ISS AS will be flooded with a solidol. laughing All automatic systems will continue to work.
  17. Klingon 19 November 2019 10: 13 New
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    now it’s just the right time to offer a striped Space Trampoline at a bargain price wassat
  18. Tarasios 19 November 2019 10: 24 New
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    just the other day, the Americans threw another loud statement that in the spring of 2020 they would not need to grow. "Unions", etc. (too lazy to look for a link).
    And it is right. It’s better to launch and solve your current tasks. In the current perspective, these are lost millions for delivery into orbit. In the medium term and further perspectives - a good help for a place in space. And there is a completely different order of numbers ...
    PySy: otherwise, suddenly, again, what a woman with PMS and a drill will start to freak out;))
  19. rocket757 19 November 2019 10: 29 New
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    The United States does not intend to refuse to cooperate with Roscosmos for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS, despite the fact that “you have to pay for every place”.

    You have to pay for everything ... it's a good deal, what would they not talk about, all sorts of different, "exceptional" ones!
  20. Ham
    Ham 19 November 2019 11: 09 New
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    as I understand it, dudes from nasa pulled rubber to the last, hoping that they would make an efficient manned ship by the end of the year - it didn’t burn out and I had to call Dima ...
    however, Dima with the words "you had to think before" gave them a long-promised trampoline ...
    krasava
    1. zlinn 19 November 2019 12: 42 New
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      Whatever Rogozin says, but if Amer’s ships are not ready, then the Russians will move (as Rogozin himself promised, he’s ready to argue that the Russians and the Americans can’t be there without each other, at most, the Japanese, Europeans and various other Canadians, but all the rest is words
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        Quote: zlinn
        if Amer’s ships are not ready, then the Russians will move

        To move, only for urgency will require x-fold surcharge.
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          most likely it will be so, and they will pay, but the precipitate will remain, and when the next problems arise for Rosskosmos (and they will certainly arise without them), will they also start breaking prices, or will they not?
          1. Genry 19 November 2019 17: 23 New
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            and when Rosskosmos has another problem (and they will certainly arise, without them it doesn’t happen), then prices will start to break

            But Rosskosmos is completely self-sufficient - everyone can do it themselves.
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              all but money
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    What do you mean was not found and who would believe it? To do this, you must completely abandon the $ if even the Russians use it for travel, and even more so for the state. They say correctly in the films: you just have to offer more, so that they could’t REFUSE everything, and the United States will print as much as this paper.
  22. voyaka uh 19 November 2019 11: 44 New
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    Roscosmos takes from NASA $ 87 million for the delivery of one astronaut to the station.
    NASA is waiting for what happens with Boeing and Space X.
    Boeing charges 90 million per person. Musk - 55 million
    We'll see ...
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      And the Chinese will be able to throw everyone up to the ISS at half the price ..))
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        And the Chinese will be able to throw everyone up to the ISS at half the price ..))


        Can not. They are not allowed on the ISS by the Americans. And they don’t have much desire to fly to the ISS. Because if it were, they would fly to the ISS RS, ours would let them in, just for this you need to make a special docking compartment and go into battle with the Americans, which is much stronger than when the space tourists started to fly. Therefore, the Chinese are making their Tianhe station.
    2. Tank hard 19 November 2019 13: 19 New
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      Roscosmos takes from NASA $ 87 million for the delivery of one astronaut to the station.

      We must take gold ... repeat
    3. slipped 19 November 2019 13: 25 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Roscosmos takes from NASA $ 87 million for the delivery of one astronaut to the station.
      NASA is waiting for what happens with Boeing and Space X.
      Boeing charges 90 million per person. Musk - 55 million
      We'll see ...


      Roscosmos takes a weekly flight - $ 40 million and this pays off the launch.
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    Here are the goodies! .. good
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    they’ll build a penny to them after all so excitedly talked about it for the last time
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    Meanwhile, the Progress MS-13 cargo ship, the launch of which is scheduled for December 1st, is allowed to refuel.



    Before sending the product for refueling, balancing and weighing of the THC were carried out. Operations for refueling the ship with fuel components are scheduled for November 20-21.
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  27. viktor_ui 19 November 2019 18: 52 New
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    A natural finale, when cooks and others steer in high-tech directions ... it was not we who did not give them a place in our Unions, but simply the Americans who finished in creating their own manned ships (from several OWN suppliers). At the beginning of the year, Rogozin promised to bombard everyone and everything with multi-billion-dollar diversified launches, and this should have shaken all the foundations of world space exploration ... BLADDER at the state level - no less. And in tune with this, there is only one fairy tale about the release of up to 100 S-21 airliners in Irkutsk per year - a high-ranking talker sang like we could. bully And how they can so easily talk and not answer for anything is a mystery of nature.
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      it was not we who did not give them a place in our Unions, but simply that the Americans have finished in creating their own manned ships (from several of their suppliers).


      Yeah. Well then, by your grace, Cassady will be stuck at the station for a year and a half. laughing

      Quote: viktor_ui
      Rogozin promised at the beginning of the year to shower everyone and everything with multibillion diverse launches, and this should have shaken all the foundations of world space exploration


      Well so, you did not bother to just see the banal statistics of launches. laughing In 2019, 28 missiles produced at Roscosmos enterprises flew: 19 space-launched missiles (at least six more will be launched by the end of the year), 4 intercontinental ballistic missiles and 5 ballistic missiles from submarines.
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        With all due respect to Rogozin ... for me the fundamental indicator at the moment is the USEFUL load of the rocket carrier launched into orbit (what, where, why, active cycle time, range of tasks and number of participants to understand the technological level of the launched product) . The launch of the first steps is already so mundane that only the LAZY hour does not start them. It’s 1000 times more interesting what and where overclocking blocks take you - the odyssey of Hayabus2 is an example for you, the return of which we are all waiting for - HERE'S SIMILAR EXPEDITIONS are really interesting. I hope you understand my skepticism in terms of a bunch of launches ... Yes, and let's not put the ICBM tests and launches in terms of space programs in one basket. I looked at the statistics of all launches for 2019 - pale, ahead of the Chinese in terms of quantity, but in terms of the deduced payload into orbit and beyond, the Americans are out of competition - EVERYTHING IS BLOCKED WITH THEIR FLAG
        The list of space launches in 2019 and the wiki for you to contemplate and we will not bend that this is not credibility. winked
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          With all due respect to Rogozin ... for me the fundamental indicator at the moment is the USEFUL load of the rocket carrier launched into orbit (what, where, why, active cycle time, range of tasks and number of participants to understand the technological level of the launched product) .


          Well, it’s clear how they pressed it, immediately ran lol It was previously your question about the number of launches.

          Quote: viktor_ui
          The launch of the first steps is already so mundane that only the LAZY hour does not start them. It’s 1000 times more interesting what and where overclocking blocks take you - the odyssey of Hayabus2 is an example for you, the return of which we are all waiting for - HERE'S SIMILAR EXPEDITIONS are really interesting.


          So then you laughing , and the scientific community, for example, is interested in a powerful new astrophysical instrument launched in the summer and which is already transmitting interesting data on stars and black holes. But the Americans are interested in whether their astronauts will fly to the station at the end of next year or whether they will sit and wait for the opportunity from Roscosmos. laughing

          Quote: viktor_ui
          I hope you understand my skepticism in terms of a bunch of launches ... Yes, and let's not put the ICBM tests and launches in terms of space programs in one basket.


          Generally incomprehensible. Rogozin voiced the number of all launches of Roscosmos missiles, including ICBMs. That is what you previously caused some questions. laughing Part of the payload of space rockets planned for this year passed to the next customer’s unavailability. For example, the British decided to re-check their 32 satellites and then take them to launch. Those. Roscosmos this year ~ 25 launches of space rockets from the previously planned ~ 30.

          Quote: viktor_ui
          I looked at the statistics of all launches for 2019 - pale, ahead of the Chinese in terms of quantity, but in terms of the deduced payload into orbit and beyond, the Americans are out of competition - EVERYTHING IS BLOCKED WITH THEIR FLAG


          The Chinese lost THREE devices this year, of which only one large connected satellite was insured for $ 250 million ... And a large number of Americans are connected with every little thing like cubsats and other starlins. Our similar ones are just starting to make and run, so the number is still less. But the work to create their own cubsats is also being carried out by private traders.
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            Yes, I will only be glad without sarcasm, if our affairs really trample uphill. Let's see what the outcome is and who will have it ... wait and see. Rogozin could also wrap hand-held rocket launchers to a heap, because in this way the arithmetic mean digit would be even more attractive in terms of window dressing. A joint X-ray telescope with the Germans is certainly good, but it is far from a technological crown in the cage of such space platforms - it complements the already existing constellation ... for starters, we can recall Chandra from 1999 winked NuStar telescope winked Chinese with x-ray telescope Insight winked ... Fermi - a space gamma telescope and then on increasing. That they lost three Chinese ... the walking one will overpower the road, and they will surely overpower, for they have no masturbation in key state corporations and are not expected - they will quickly spread their forehead with greens. And finally, the launch of platform monsters into orbit, in the current technological reality, is an indicator of the lag in technological terms. The orbit of satellites creates in orbit a neural network with desired properties, which will be hundreds of times more resistant to external influences and will be more flexible in terms of attached functionality and its update. Today I rode and listened to the radio singing that 45 km of a bypass road will be built in 7 years ... 7 years KARL is an amazing construction speed, and it doesn’t smell like an autobahn, and they will start sculpting this winter - a bunch of ice lenses and snow rolled up into the substrate fellow
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              Quote: viktor_ui
              Rogozin could also wrap hand-held rocket launchers to a heap, because in this way the arithmetic mean digit would be even more attractive in terms of window dressing.


              Do real numbers hurt you in the heart? laughing It is probably difficult to accept that Roscosmos is not only the production and launch of spacecraft, but also the production and launch of ICBMs? What exactly in this company creates the shield of our Motherland and is it very successful? laughing Of course, if for you the release of ICBMs and the release of a hand-held rocket launcher, in infancy, are one and the same, then I have to remind you that many space-launched missiles in childhood were just ICBMs. laughing

              Quote: viktor_ui
              A joint X-ray telescope with the Germans is certainly good, but it is far from a technological crown in the cage of such space platforms - it complements the already existing constellation ... for starters, we can recall Chandra from 1999 winked NuStar telescope winked Chinese with x-ray telescope Insight winked ... Fermi - a space gamma telescope and then on increasing.


              Firstly, there are two telescopes - one German (25% of the time it’s ours) and ours, and secondly it is precisely the “technological crown”. laughing We turn to Wikipedia, I quote:

              “In terms of angular resolution, nothing can compete with Chandra, but the ART-XC starts to work where both XMM and Chandra already stop: Chandra is effective up to 7-8 kiloelectron-volts, KhMM - up to 10 kiloelectron-volts. ART- XC operates up to 30 kiloelectron-volts, while it has almost twice the effective area by 10 kiloelectron-volts than the XMM. Sky surveys in hard X-rays have been done before, for example, with the RXTE, INTEGRAL and Swift devices, however, the ART-XC is superior to previous telescopes in sensitivity and, in addition, none of the previous telescopes contained seven mirror modules.The images of two bright low-mass X-ray binary systems - SLX 1744-299 and SLX 1744-300 - taken by ART-P (Soviet predecessor ART-XC in the Granat Observatory with an angular resolution of 5 arc minutes in the range of 3–20 keV), ART-XC (resolution: about 30 arc seconds) and the American NuSTAR (resolution: about 18 arc seconds) Another example: for the post it took the ART-XC about three weeks to sweep the map of the galactic center of the Milky Way, while NuSTAR would take one year to build the same map.
              Due to the wide field of view of the eROSITA telescope (about a square degree), it is capable of covering the same area in a day with a view that Chandra would take millions of seconds (tens of days). By effective area, eROSITA is approximately 5 or 6 times larger than Chandra. In energy resolution, eROSITA is not inferior to either Chandra or XMM-Newton, with the exception of diffraction gratings, which are needed for a very soft range. "

              The nearest similar device will appear in 10 years not earlier. laughing

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              That they lost three Chinese ... the walking one will overpower the road, and they will surely overpower, for they have no masturbation in key state corporations and are not expected - they will quickly spread their forehead with greens. And finally, the launch of platform monsters into orbit, in the current technological reality, is an indicator of the lag in technological terms.


              Wow. Are you also special in "monster platforms"? lol Do you know that every little thing in low orbits ALREADY prevents astrophysicists from conducting scientific research from the surface of the Earth? For example, a new batch of Starlink communications satellites has recently interrupted the operation of the DECam telescope, which is designed to search for traces of dark energy:



              Already, both the International Astronomical Union and the United States National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO) almost simultaneously declared that such devices would interfere with observation and increase light pollution of the sky. Not bad? Yes? laughing So not everything is so simple.
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                good answer accepted drinks I’m not special, of course, on the platform, but I can catch the general development trend, because I follow the periodicals of publicly available cosmotechnologies and what goes with it. And my desire is only one thing to be done and local people were specialists in their field, and not appointed crooks. From school I wanted and was getting ready to deal with astro-physics ... but I am engaged in IT - technologies ... in some areas. Good luck.