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The Russian Navy decided on the parameters of the UDC

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The Russian Navy decided on the parameters of the UDC

The Navy has finally decided on the characteristics of the first Russian universal landing ships (UDC), the laying of which is scheduled for next spring. According to TASS, citing sources in the shipbuilding industry, ships will receive a displacement of 25 thousand tons.


According to one of the sources, it is planned that the UDC, which will be laid in the spring of 2020, will carry 20 heavy helicopters and will be able to carry up to two battalions of marines.

The universal landing ship (UDC) of this project will be able to carry more than 20 heavy helicopters, will receive a docking chamber for landing boats and will be able to carry up to two reinforced marine corps battalions with a total number of about 900 people

- the agency leads the words of the source.

The second source said that the displacement of the UDC will be greater than previously planned - 25 thousand tons, not 15. The bookmark will be made at the Zaliv shipyard in the Crimea.

The Navy issued a tactical and technical task for two universal landing ships, which they intend to lay in May 2020 at the Crimean Zaliv plant. Each will have a displacement of about 25 thousand tons and a length of about 220 meters

- he said.

It was previously reported that two UDCs will be laid at the Gulf Shipyard in May 2020. The lead ship will be part of the Russian Navy by 2027 of the year, the first production ship by 2030 of the year. Initially, the displacement of ships should not exceed 15 thousand tons, and the number of helicopters on board - no more than ten.
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  1. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 November 2019 10: 39
    +68
    And call "Crimea" and "Donbass" .. Let the "jumpers" hang themselves ..
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 November 2019 10: 41
      +44
      Quote: Evil 55
      And call "Crimea" and "Donbass" .. Let the "jumpers" hang themselves ..

      The jumpers themselves will not strangle themselves, they need help .. long ago they need help ..
      1. krot
        krot 17 November 2019 11: 48
        +19
        I think the Sumerian toad will begin to choke when the construction of these ships in the Crimea begins)
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 17 November 2019 12: 42
          -21
          rather than putting brown substance on them? for me it would be better to introduce 10k BDK than one UDC .. for the same resources ... especially since they have not been laid even yet, as the news says
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 17 November 2019 13: 29
            +9
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            it would be better to introduce 10k BDK than one UDC ..

            It's about 10 gazelles, instead of 1 kamaz. There are no questions, what a trifle on stalls to carry them more convenient. But a serious matter, no longer pull.
            A couple of such ships, and even if Kuzyu were revived, but to add to them ... The fleet will receive a very good tool.
        2. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 17 November 2019 13: 08
          +10
          Quote: krot
          I think the Sumerian toad will begin to choke when the construction of these ships in the Crimea begins)

          I agree that it would be good for the fleet to get such ships. But is it not too early for everyone to rush to drink champagne, on this occasion? In general, no specifics. Only plans. I also plan to start earning half a million (for starters) a month, but why, plans should be ambitious. laughing
          Here, after all, that would not work as s.f. Star. Plans and PR for billions, and the real result (source LJ Strelkova II):
          "The point has been made on the Star" or Everything you need to know about "Putin's import substitution"
          As the competent comrades told me, the article below is presented completely correctly: Putin's Zvezda shipyard was in Chinese hands

          With a few minor additions (the article is already somewhat outdated, but I have not yet found a more relevant publication):

          1. "Zvezda" WILL NOT be built on "complete cycle" ships, as expected. There will only be an assembly of hulls from parts that will be delivered from Korea. All electronics, all navigation devices, cars, etc., etc. - will be delivered from abroad. In short, they will only cook the shells on 星. And that's all. At the same time, it is not entirely clear why they, in this case, should be cooked on 星? But here, of course, the question of "prestige "... Like," Well, this is something mogyom "... Well, and Comrade Sechin should cut the margin of some kind? Therefore, it will be one and a half to two times more expensive. But the state will not become poorer, no .. Tea, the people are still paying taxes.

          2. The Chinese recognized ALL TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION, accumulated earlier - completely unsuitable for construction. So ... They will make their own "from scratch". Without involving "Russian partners". And here I am completely in solidarity with them - such "partners" must be drowned by bringing them out to the open sea on the ships they build. Disabling the "SOS" button ... however, even it will not work with such "technologists".

          3. For all (huge) funds spent by the state earlier (over 10 years) - no claims. Well, they stole it and "buried it" - well, okay ... Tea, not just anyone, but the president's own sacred friend - Igor Ivanovich Sechin supervised the construction. He can do anything. As a "cherry" - the "most oppositional" RBC promptly removed from its Internet publications everything that was published about "Zvezda" for the current year. I understand ... You cannot offend sacred friends. "

          PS I don’t give a damn about minus. I am for a realistic look and assessment of the situation. If the Star has such a failure, almost a loss of technology, then why should it be better in the Crimea? The ships requiring repair cannot finish for years. And here is a project from scratch (and is there at least one).
          If they successfully pass it, at least the head one, then champagne can be obtained. In the meantime, early, very early. hi
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 17 November 2019 14: 00
            +21
            To start. Now we are buying gas carriers and tankers from South Korea. A star is needed to stop buying them and start building at home. The second one. Star is the ONLY of our fully modern shipyard. The Soviet Union and Russia of the 90s overslept 3 revolutions in shipbuilding. In order to turn our St. Petersburg shipbuilding cluster into a modern one, following the example of Chinese, Korean or Japanese, it is necessary to demolish the existing shipyards and rebuild. However, given that all major St. Petersburg shipyards are located in the city center, there is no place for this. PM Star - this is our only fully modern shipyard at the Asian level. Maybe soon Kola Shipyard Novatek will become the second. But for now, the Star is the only one acting.
            Further . The interests of state Gazprom and Rosneft are equally the interests of Russia. What is good for them is good for Russia. They personally feed you. You just don’t understand this because of the propaganda cliches with which they will poke you. And therefore, for the Russian Federation it is necessary that these companies do not spend money on the purchase of ships in Asia, but build them at home. These are taxes, jobs and technologies for the country. hi Again, a floating dock for the Navy of Project 23380 has already been laid at the shipyard. BUT PRIORITY - GAS TRANSPORT, SUPPLY VESSELS AND TANKERS. They are more important.
            Further . A star is built in several bursts. The last line will be built in the year 27-28. When everything is built, then there will be completely its own pr-in. While only the first stage is ready, the filling will go from China and South Korea. Plus, while we will learn modern shipbuilding from them. The USSR, in its time, as well as the states, in fact refused large civil shipbuilding in favor of vassals, so much will have to be learned. As the lines of the plant line up, skill will be developed. hi
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 17 November 2019 15: 16
              +5
              Quote: g1v2
              To start. Now we are buying gas carriers and tankers from South Korea. A star is needed to stop buying them and start building at home. The second one. Star is the ONLY of our fully modern shipyard. The Soviet Union and Russia of the 90s overslept 3 revolutions in shipbuilding. In order to turn our St. Petersburg shipbuilding cluster into a modern one, following the example of Chinese, Korean or Japanese, it is necessary to demolish the existing shipyards and rebuild. However, given that all major St. Petersburg shipyards are located in the city center, there is no place for this. PM Star - this is our only fully modern shipyard at the Asian level. Maybe soon Kola Shipyard Novatek will become the second. But for now, the Star is the only one acting.
              Further . The interests of state Gazprom and Rosneft are equally the interests of Russia. What is good for them is good for Russia. They personally feed you. You just don’t understand this because of the propaganda cliches with which they will poke you. And therefore, for the Russian Federation it is necessary that these companies do not spend money on the purchase of ships in Asia, but build them at home. These are taxes, jobs and technologies for the country. hi Again, a floating dock for the Navy of Project 23380 has already been laid at the shipyard. BUT PRIORITY - GAS TRANSPORT, SUPPLY VESSELS AND TANKERS. They are more important.
              Further . A star is built in several bursts. The last line will be built in the year 27-28. When everything is built, then there will be completely its own pr-in. While only the first stage is ready, the filling will go from China and South Korea. Plus, while we will learn modern shipbuilding from them. The USSR, in its time, as well as the states, in fact refused large civil shipbuilding in favor of vassals, so much will have to be learned. As the lines of the plant line up, skill will be developed. hi

              Ours, it is ours, but that's just what is in it of ours? The Chinese will build, even those. the documentation our rejected. Maybe the Chinese will continue to work on it as well? But why, in the Far East and Siberia, the Chinese are working, наших lands and resources. Why is this excluded here?
              The interests of state Gazprom and Rosneft are equally the interests of Russia. What is good for them is good for Russia.

              Oh no no. Here I do not agree at all. Do not confuse Russia with the state of the Russian Federation and its power. I’ll just remind you: Sberbank analyst criticized Gazprom for contracts given to Putin’s friends (the same Rotenbergs), and Rosneft for debt. He was fired.
              And I’ll remind you that the Third businessman by the name of Rotenberg, part-time co-owner of the Platon system, which charges a fee for trucks weighing more than 12 tons for travel on roads federal purpose, became the official dollar billionaire. The first billionaire Rotenberg is his father, and the second is his uncle.
              So say, Russia's interests coincide with those of major companies? Well, well, when I gasified my village house to my grandmother, I dumped a wonderful amount to the public domain - Gazprom (for the pipe, for the documentation), so that I could buy gas from him later.
              And when federal I drive toll roads, then I give part of the fee to Rotenberg’s pocket. Do you speak for the benefit of the country?
              Or maybe Rotenbergs (and the like) are now Russia? But are we the rest, don’t sew a sleeve on the country?

              PS So, whoever is served as propaganda cliches is another question. Wait and see. hi
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 17 November 2019 16: 58
                +1
                If the country of Russia and the state of Russia exist separately in your head, then you have a serious attack of schizophrenia. Treat, do not tighten. belay
                Bullshit about the Chinese is not even worth commenting on. To begin with, for the Chinese we take all Asians. Even the Vietnamese. In fact, we even have more Koreans than Chinese. And wait for the increase in their number is not necessary. Just because the Chinese do not want to go to cold Russia. and to the rich coastal cities of China. Stupidly look at the map of the distribution of population in China and the truth will be revealed to you. That. that Chinese SPECIALISTS are attracted to help in the construction of Stars is logical. They now have the best and most modern shipyards. China is now 40 percent of the world's civilian shipbuilding. We will have to learn from them. It is a fact. request
                About Plato, in general, rare ravings. The essence of Plato is not in money - it is a bonus and a fee for its maintenance. The purpose of the PLATO is to control the trucking. State University is very interested in who, where, where and how much carries. And how much tax is paid? Of course, nobody will personally ask you either - everyone will consider it for you. If you have a box in the truck, then the entire history of movements will be saved automatically. Where and how much you drove and how much you paid. If there is no box, and you filled in everything manually, then the start and end points of the route will still be indicated there and what you are carrying. The state is pulling you out of the shadows behind the ear, and Rotenberg is just the attendants in this exciting activity. hi
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 17 November 2019 17: 16
                  +7
                  Quote: g1v2
                  If the country of Russia and the state of Russia exist separately in your head, then you have a serious attack of schizophrenia. Treat, do not tighten. belay
                  Bullshit about the Chinese is not even worth commenting on. To begin with, for the Chinese we take all Asians. Even the Vietnamese. In fact, we even have more Koreans than Chinese. And wait for the increase in their number is not necessary. Just because the Chinese do not want to go to cold Russia. and to the rich coastal cities of China. Stupidly look at the map of the distribution of population in China and the truth will be revealed to you. That. that Chinese SPECIALISTS are attracted to help in the construction of Stars is logical. They now have the best and most modern shipyards. China is now 40 percent of the world's civilian shipbuilding. We will have to learn from them. It is a fact. request
                  About Plato, in general, rare ravings. The essence of Plato is not in money - it is a bonus and a fee for its maintenance. The purpose of the PLATO is to control the trucking. State University is very interested in who, where, where and how much carries. And how much tax is paid? Of course, nobody will personally ask you either - everyone will consider it for you. If you have a box in the truck, then the entire history of movements will be saved automatically. Where and how much you drove and how much you paid. If there is no box, and you filled in everything manually, then the start and end points of the route will still be indicated there and what you are carrying. The state is pulling you out of the shadows behind the ear, and Rotenberg is just the attendants in this exciting activity. hi

                  Yes, yes, I just have an attack of schizophrenia, and you are simply awfully ignorant if you think that the country and the state are one and the same. But in spite of the diagnosis you made to me, I’m still ready to contribute to your enlightenment, what if it comes in handy later on:
                  The concepts of country and state are often used as synonymous, but there is a significant difference between them. The concept of “state” means a political system of power established in a certain territory, special kind of organization, while the concept of "country" is more likely to refer to cultural, general geographical (community of territory) and other factors.
                  So, the country of Russia is one, and the states on its territory existed different, as for example RI, the USSR, and now the Russian Federation.
                  and Rotenberg is just a staff

                  And without him, how? The state itself is not able to collect this fee? Be sure to share with Rotenberg for travel on federal highways? Or a billion dollars to the state?
                  But I don’t argue that we will have to study with the Chinese. Because of their competences during the reign of Yeltsin-Putin lost.
                2. frog
                  frog 17 November 2019 22: 13
                  +1
                  Yeah ...
                  The essence of Plato is not in money

                  Actually, it is possible not to continue further.
                  That. that Chinese SPECIALISTS are attracted to help in the construction of Stars is logical. They now have the best and most modern shipyards.

                  After the above, it is quite logical. And also .... strange))) The best civilian shipyards, in terms of a range of positions, oddly enough, are Korean. And it was the Koreans who refused to work with Rosneft and got out of there. From this very Star. and because of the sanctions, which was the reason, and for the same reason that the Chinese built their own ..... "Transsib". Since they are tired of dealing with ...... "representatives of the Russian Federation and Russian business." They want to fulfill the contract and build, and so that what is built will work.
                  The Chinese themselves work on the Star itself, however, there are also .... compatriots there. They receive 2 times less than these Chinese for the same work. Judging by the documentation for the projects that are going to build on the Star, it will be Sharazhkina work for wild teams. Perhaps Chinese, perhaps Ukrainian, perhaps some more .... There is no question of any modern technologies, sho with pathos, sho without. Taking into account the sad fate of Petenka Gruzinsky, or of the other sufferers on the Star, there is no smell of speed or quality there. As elsewhere, however.
                3. Chit
                  Chit 18 November 2019 00: 57
                  -7
                  If the purpose of Plato is to control freight transportation, and the state is interested in who, where and where so much carries, then a logical question arises.
                  Why not transfer the control function to the STATE in this case? And with this function, and the money that Plato rakes from truckers?
                  Why is this function transferred to the PRIVATE HANDS of Mr. Rotenberg, a close friend of the national leader? Together with the cash flows that are deposited in Rotenberg’s POCKET, and not in the state budget?
            2. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 17 November 2019 15: 18
              +5
              Quote: g1v2
              Gazprom and Rosneft equal Russia's interests. What is good for them is good for Russia. They personally feed you

              What a news! They at best do not eat us! A sad joke on the topic:
              To spit gasoline, oil is getting more expensive or cheaper or not changing in price, gasoline steeper than that gasoline always rises in price! Be like gasoline!
              And this is if you still do not remember about VAT refunds!
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 17 November 2019 14: 16
            -8
            Quote: Leshy1975
            I don’t give a damn about it. I am for a realistic look and assessment of the situation

            You don’t have enough thrust for a realistic assessment. They just explained everything to you here, are there any objections?

            And you will have minuses. For some reason they don’t like all the prowlers ... well, except for the same bummers laughing
          3. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 17 November 2019 16: 53
            -4
            all that remained was to trust Girkin and the "competent" comrades
          4. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 17 November 2019 21: 01
            0
            Quote: Leshy1975
            I don’t give a damn about it. I am for a realistic look and assessment of the situation. If the Star has such a failure, almost a loss of technology, then why should it be better in the Crimea? The ships requiring repair cannot finish for years. And here is a project from scratch (and is there at least one).
            hi drinks subscribe to every word good
          5. kig
            kig 19 November 2019 03: 26
            0
            Quote: Leshy1975
            There will only be an assembly of cases from parts that will be delivered from Korea.

            I do not agree, the cases will be able to bend, assemble and weld on the Star. It makes no sense to bring "cubes" from Korea or China.

            All electronics, all navigation devices, cars, etc., etc. - will be delivered from abroad.


            Here I agree, but so many do. Take Hyundai shipyard in Vietnam or Hanjin in the Philippines - do you think everything is done from start to finish there? Main engines, diesel generators, navigation equipment? If so, you are greatly mistaken. Korea and China, which are now building almost the entire world merchant fleet, once started with the same plants as the Star. True, they had plans to become world leaders in this field, and they successfully completed them.
      2. maidan.izrailovich
        maidan.izrailovich 17 November 2019 13: 23
        +3
        The jumpers themselves will not strangle themselves, they need help .. long ago they need help ..

        .... and "Crimea" and "Donbass" will help with this.
        There are many Russian cities on the coast of Little Russia. Work for the marine corps. My uncle freed them. And he served just in the Marine Corps.
      3. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 12 February 2020 12: 06
        0
        To provide "help", you need a serious Casus belli.
    2. Provincial-m
      Provincial-m 17 November 2019 10: 49
      +2
      Quote: Evil 55
      And call "Crimea" and "Donbass" .. Let the "jumpers" hang themselves ..

      Call this helicopter carrier "De Gaulle" !!! Looks very much hehe
      are going to lay in May 2020 at the Crimean plant "Zaliv"

      The Kerchinsky railway bridge has earned at full capacity Good luck to you shipbuilders! fellow drinks
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2019 11: 05
        +14
        Why a Russian ship in the name of a Frenchman, albeit worthy. Yes, and the bridge is not yet fully operational; the cargo will go by summer. And the fact that the Crimean shipyards are loaded is very good.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 17 November 2019 13: 51
          +1
          And the parameters of the helicopter carrier Mistral do not remind you?
          Thank God a little podshamanil finished project.
          Well, IMHO of course, the VTOL will be on it.
          The Sultan is building such. hi
    3. Manas manas
      Manas manas 17 November 2019 11: 18
      -25
      Respected! Are you sure that the UDC will be built? They will be designing for 20 years! Will they steal again, non-payment of salaries, and so on? Can you call the UDC "Trouble"
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2019 11: 59
        +4
        Well yes. What has been released recently on ukroverfi-deystvitelno "Trouble".
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 17 November 2019 12: 22
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Well yes. What has been released recently on ukroverfi-deystvitelno "Trouble".

          Dima, let's see everything positive. For, as Captain Vrungel said in one film:
          - Scrap, it’s not a problem, it’s not so bad ... wink
          (c) New adventures of captain Vrungel.
        2. Manas manas
          Manas manas 17 November 2019 12: 51
          -16
          Do you happen to work on propaganda channels? RTR, ORT, NTV? There, too, there are no other problems in Russia except in Ukraine!
          1. 210ox
            210ox 17 November 2019 12: 56
            +2
            Yeah, on the YouTube channel .. Crimean bridge. lol
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      2. illi
        illi 17 November 2019 16: 07
        +2
        I look at you cheers patriots zamususuyut in full. Although I, too, was somehow puzzled that they had only decided on the displacement, and already in the spring to build. What about the project? Or, in Zelenodolsk, they got the hang of the buoys, that now they are designing the UDC for half a year. Maybe they’ll build it in six months. Apparently something serious in our shipbuilding has happened in the last month. It was not otherwise that they promised to shoot someone.
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 17 November 2019 18: 27
          -1
          Half of Mistral was built in St. Petersburg, there is a front project. ))) While it will be built, the Tatars will design the second half)
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        2. Alf
          Alf 17 November 2019 22: 01
          +3
          Quote: illi
          It was not otherwise that they promised to shoot someone.

          Watchman Ivanovitch and storekeeper Mashka. laughing
    4. Concept1
      Concept1 17 November 2019 12: 15
      +3
      Buddy idea for a million !!!!! good I propose to support Eugene and, if possible, spread this idea on the Internet !!! UDC "Crimea" and "Donbas"

      1. Manas manas
        Manas manas 17 November 2019 13: 14
        -18
        I propose to build a floating temple in the place of UDC! It’s sure to be completed and consecrated! It is more necessary than UDC will be! Vaughn mobile temples already taken in the Airborne
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 17 November 2019 13: 49
          0
          Quote: Manas Manas
          I propose to build a floating temple in the place of UDC! It’s sure to be completed and consecrated! It is more necessary than UDC will be! Vaughn mobile temples already taken in the Airborne

          To his wife (if there is one!) To offer both a temple and all that ... I hope you will be provided with several hits on the head with a rolling pin!
          1. Manas manas
            Manas manas 17 November 2019 13: 54
            -16
            Are you an atheist? It is impossible for soldiers without faith! Better one temple than ten UDC!
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 17 November 2019 14: 27
              +5
              Quote: Manas Manas
              Are you an atheist? It is impossible for soldiers without faith! Better one temple than ten UDC!

              To begin with, you remove the pan from your head, but shorten the forelock, there are no brains anyway, lard with garlic replaces the brains of your brains. laughing
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 17 November 2019 14: 37
              +5
              You're right . Warriors without FAITH are not allowed! Belief in the justice of their cause. FAITH to the Motherland
              1. Alf
                Alf 17 November 2019 22: 02
                +2
                Quote: 30 vis
                You're right . Warriors without FAITH are not allowed! Belief in the justice of their cause. FAITH to the Motherland

                To faith, it would be nice to have a lot of weapons and modern ones. And steel leadership eggs would not hurt.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 17 November 2019 22: 12
                  +3
                  All this is .. No, those who doubt it!
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 17 November 2019 22: 20
                    0
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    All this is .. No, those who doubt it!

                    By and large, I agree with the weapon, but about the eggs there are big doubts ... The joke about the bombing of Voronezh did not appear from scratch.
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 17 November 2019 23: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: Alf
                      but about the eggs there are big doubts ... The joke about the bombing of Voronezh did not appear from scratch.

                      Maybe you're right .. Did not hope for Russia .. Did not believe that Russia is not afraid. Sevastopol and Crimea do not recognize, they thought they would keep silent, rub off, silently swallow the snot .. They didn’t get scared .. Helped. Thanks you !
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 17 November 2019 23: 48
                        +1
                        Are you from Crimea? hi
                      2. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 18 November 2019 15: 15
                        +1
                        Yes, from Sevastopol!

    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 November 2019 12: 18
      +2
      Quote: Angry 55
      And to name "Crimea" and "Donbass".

      There were the first Soviet supertankers built at the Zaliv shipyard, Kuzbas, Donbas, and Crimea. The tradition must be restored. And thank God that it was finally launched after the occupation of the Zaliv shipyard.
    6. Marconi41
      Marconi41 17 November 2019 22: 15
      0
      Quote: Evil 55
      And call "Crimea" and "Donbass" .. Let the "jumpers" hang themselves ..

      Yes, they will no longer invent. "Sevastopol" and "Vladivostok" as originally planned.
      One to Crimea another to the Far East. I really hope that it will be so.
    7. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 18 November 2019 07: 19
      0
      It’s clear what needs to be done for 25 thousand tons, no less than that of competitors - France, the USA, Japan and China.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 18 November 2019 08: 23
        -2
        And let's get 45 thousand right away? Well, to catch up and overtake? And somehow it’s not solid .. World power ..
        1. Alexander Petrov1
          Alexander Petrov1 18 November 2019 10: 22
          0
          Well, yes, because we want to make an atomic Leader for $ 1,5 billion, only how much money will be enough, maybe for one year to build it in 15?, And the United States rivets 2 destroyers a year with 96 Tamahawks, and we are all models show at all salons!
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    1. freejack
      freejack 17 November 2019 12: 23
      +4
      showmen, athletes are in demand

      Put it all together! EP, deputies, journalists, scientific advisers, cut off heads ... Read the heading of the article all-crawler, before whining! ((( recourse recourse recourse
      And in the Moscow Region and without you, they will figure out what and how much UDC for the fleet is needed. hi
      PS But your nickname is correct - "saboteur holaай"!!!
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 17 November 2019 13: 07
        0
        Quote: freejack
        PS But your nickname is correct - "saboteur lackey" !!!

        https://primamedia.ru/news/522062/
      2. 210ox
        210ox 17 November 2019 15: 41
        +4
        Holuay Bay on Russky Island. Base of scout saboteurs of Pacific Fleet. However, this type has no relation whatsoever to truly worthy service.
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2019 10: 50
    +5
    The claimed characteristics are not bad. Let's hope that the first pancake does not work out lumpy.
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 17 November 2019 11: 22
      +4
      Indeed, the characteristics are good. Only this: "heavy helicopters" raises some doubts. The types of based helicopters should be specified.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 17 November 2019 11: 42
        +4
        Ka-29, Ka-52, heavy ship helicopters. Lamprey is lighter and will replace the Ka-27. So either one or the other, or maybe both.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 November 2019 11: 45
        +7
        Given how many types and types of helicopters Russia produces, it will not be difficult to name them. It will be Ka - 52 as a fire support and Ka - 29, 32 or their analogues as transport, rescue, possibly PLO.
  4. Eroma
    Eroma 17 November 2019 10: 51
    +2
    In terminology, something I'm swimming! The lead ship should be operational by 2027, the first production ship by 2030! HEAD ship, isn't the FIRST serial ship? recourse
    They are going to build something for a long time, your 7-10 years! A very long time…
    1. GRIGORIY76
      GRIGORIY76 17 November 2019 10: 54
      +6
      These are still optimistic terms, it’s good if they fit into them.
    2. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 17 November 2019 11: 06
      +15
      All is correct. The lead is not the first production ship. Sometimes even production technologies are run on the head one and small and large project errors are corrected. The first serial - an already improved project and streamlined production technology. Therefore, the first production and subsequent ships build much faster.
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 November 2019 12: 09
      +13
      The fact is that the series is counted from the second ship. That is, the second UDC will be the first serial
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 November 2019 12: 25
      0
      Quote: Eroma
      They are going to build something for a long time, your 7-10 years! A very long time…

      It is possible to build the "Zhabodav" on our tanks in six months, and the UDC is a very serious technique.
    5. Seaflame
      Seaflame 17 November 2019 13: 28
      +2
      The lead is not serial, the first serial is the second ship of the project.
    6. Grits
      Grits 17 November 2019 15: 41
      +2
      Quote: Eroma
      In terminology, something I'm swimming! The lead ship should be operational by 2027, the first production ship by 2030! HEAD ship, isn't the FIRST serial ship? recourse
      They are going to build something for a long time, 7-10 years old! Very duty

      If a series of ships is being prepared for construction, then the very first ship is called HEAD. Because it will still have to be run on technology, some changes, improvements, additions will be introduced. Therefore, the second ship will no longer look like the first. And it is he who will already go as a spent SERIAL.
  5. New Year day
    New Year day 17 November 2019 10: 54
    +3
    ... two UDCs will be laid at the Zaliv shipyard in May 2020 ...

    This is Class! fellow
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 17 November 2019 11: 49
      +3
      Quote: Silvestr
      ... two UDCs will be laid at the Zaliv shipyard in May 2020 ...

      This is Class! fellow

      That's exactly what "class" is! During this time, the child grows up and goes to first grade !!!!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 58
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        That's exactly what "class" is! During this time, the child grows up and goes to first grade !!!!

        Glory,

        so have to wait
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 17 November 2019 12: 01
          +3
          Sylvestrushka, dear, UDC is not a strategic nuclear submarine! How many years have our paddlers built 2 (!) Mistral?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 17 November 2019 12: 09
            +8
            Quote: sabakina
            How many years have our paddlers built 2 (!) Mistral?

            in 2010 the agreement, in 2014 the first. "Vladivostok" was already on the water.
            Glory, you don’t compare the capabilities of the frogmen and Kerch. In fact, the plant has not built such hulks since the Union. The workers fled. But there are still related goods!
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 17 November 2019 12: 14
              +6
              Yes, Sylvester, I agree. They were not taken to the English flag in the 90s ....
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 17 November 2019 12: 16
                +1
                Quote: sabakina
                They were not taken to the English flag in the 90s ....

                when I was driving through Kerch, I was simply numb from the view of the city, houses, streets. Pits over the entire surface. So the factory was no better
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 17 November 2019 12: 32
                  +7
                  Sylvester, there’s nothing to answer. It remains only to drink for health! drinks
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 17 November 2019 12: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: sabakina
                    It remains only to drink for health!

                    Exactly! as my friend used to say: Lord, take medicine, not poison! laughing
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 17 November 2019 12: 39
                    +2
                    our dialogue interested "minus players" laughing
                    Quote: sabakina
                    there’s nothing to answer.
                    laughing laughing
                2. Seaflame
                  Seaflame 17 November 2019 13: 31
                  +3
                  I was disturbed by the thought that there would be problems with updating the machines, aggregates and equipment in the Gulf (alas, we can’t do without imported equipment yet), especially after the gas turbine scandal with Siemens. Hope the problems got around.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2019 12: 41
        +5
        Quote: sabakina
        That's exactly what "class" is! During this time, the child grows up and goes to first grade !!!!

        So "Zaliv" after the collapse was defeated by non-brothers, as after the German-fascist invasion. The plant has been serious since the times of the USSR, it has built a supertanker, and now it is already building many ships in Russia. A warship is a serious structure, which depends not only on the capacity of the shipyard, but to a large extent on the subcontractors performing the components. I wanna say "Three feet under the keel to you" Bay "
  6. bars1
    bars1 17 November 2019 11: 02
    +8
    Quote: GRIGORIY76
    These are still optimistic terms, it’s good if they fit into them.

    These are more than optimistic terms.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2019 11: 07
    +6
    The application is serious. It would be nice to get it ... An expensive program.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 17 November 2019 11: 12
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It would be nice to get ...

      work out. "Zaliv" built serious steamers.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2019 12: 47
        +3
        Quote: Overlock
        "Zaliv" built serious steamers.

        Supertanker first in the USSR.
        1. Seaflame
          Seaflame 17 November 2019 13: 38
          +4
          And the nuclear-powered lighter carrier "Sevmorput", which is now back in service!
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2019 11: 19
      +1
      I see that you, like me for the realism of views and a good knowledge of history, are also actively minus ... laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 November 2019 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I see that you, like me for the realism of views and a good knowledge of history, are also actively neglecting you.

        From 20 to 25%, liberals, democrats and representatives of unfriendly peoples. So everything is in order.
  8. knn54
    knn54 17 November 2019 11: 07
    +4
    Shipyard "Zaliv" is back in service.
  9. Dart2027
    Dart2027 17 November 2019 11: 11
    0
    The main thing is not to try to shove as much as possible new and not the fact that it works. All equipment must be serial.
    1. Grits
      Grits 17 November 2019 15: 50
      +4
      Quote: Dart2027
      The main thing is not to try to shove as much as possible new and not the fact that it works. All equipment must be serial

      Here I doubt that our military will resist the temptation to change something during the construction process. For they have such a sin. Hit some admiral in the head what a whim - and begin to rebuild. With a shift of several months.
      1. jayich
        jayich 17 November 2019 16: 44
        +2
        Well, maybe at least once common sense will prevail, and apart from the shell in the amount of 2-4 units and the RBU they won’t put anything on it, well, maybe they will put the package on, and then it’s not necessary for him anymore, otherwise we’ll get the crack.
  10. Old26
    Old26 17 November 2019 11: 28
    +5
    Quote: Eroma
    In terminology, something I'm swimming! The lead ship should be operational by 2027, the first production ship by 2030! HEAD ship, isn't the FIRST serial ship? recourse
    They are going to build something for a long time, your 7-10 years! A very long time…

    The lead and the first serial are two different. The first serial is No. 2 of those under construction.
    Example: the nuclear submarine "Severodvinsk" is the lead, and "Kazan" is the first serial
  11. exo
    exo 17 November 2019 11: 42
    +3
    Good news. I wonder what is meant by the term "heavy helicopters"? In the Air Force, they included MI-6 and MI-26. In the Navy, except for the Ka-27 of all modifications and the Ka-29, there is nothing. And the promising Lamprey is not a heavy one.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 17 November 2019 12: 27
      0
      "Heavy helicopters" are military transport helicopters designed for the transportation of ground-based moving equipment, primarily armored vehicles. "Medium helicopters" can also carry ground equipment, but in a lightweight design, such as Mi-8 and buggy.
      1. Alf
        Alf 17 November 2019 22: 06
        +1
        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        "Heavy helicopters" are military transport helicopters designed for the transportation of ground-based moving equipment, primarily armored vehicles.

        Are MI-26 really messing around?
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 18 November 2019 11: 02
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Are MI-26 really messing around?

          Specifically, I doubt this, the marine assault mi-8 with a ramp for pickup / jeep should be exactly, but the mi-26 is TOO huge, the appearance of an analogue of the "Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion" is more likely.
          In general, there should definitely be a transporter for a certain ground transport with a total mass (with people, weapons and ammunition) of 5t, approximately 10-15t. The reason is commonplace, this is the unmasking effect and the impossibility of landing on foot from the theater of operations (not to confuse the LDP and the theater of operations!), The solution to this problem is the landing for a dozen kilometers from the LDP and land movement by equipment to the LDP. At the moment, there are two options, these are medium-size helicopters and ultra-lightweight equipment (buggies, jeeps, pickups, etc.) or heavy helicopters and light armored combat vehicles weighing up to 15 tons.
  12. sabakina
    sabakina 17 November 2019 11: 45
    +1
    The lead ship will be part of the Russian Navy until 2027,
    Seven years. Tell me, how many years did the frog eaters build two Mistrals for us?
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock 17 November 2019 11: 51
      +6
      So this is serial. And here, it seems, there’s not even a project yet. And the plant has not built anything like this for a long time.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 17 November 2019 11: 58
        +3
        If the project is not really there, what are they going to lay in the spring?
        King
        Fake me
        That-Not-Can-Be!
        Write your name,
        So as not to forget in a hurry!
        And you will not complete by morning -
        I will erase you into powder
        Because your freighter
        I’ve been sick for a long time!
        So there is nothing to blow lips
        And let's get on the road soon!
        State affair -
        Do you grasp the point?
        1. Cheerock
          Cheerock 17 November 2019 11: 58
          +1
          Project number and its description, plz?
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 November 2019 22: 08
            +2
            Quote: CheeRock
            Project number and its description, plz?

            A military secret. Secrets of the law to recall? laughing
            If this project would still be ..
            1. Cheerock
              Cheerock 18 November 2019 00: 50
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: CheeRock
              Project number and its description, plz?

              A military secret. Secrets of the law to recall? laughing
              If this project would still be ..

              So I - about the same))
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 17 November 2019 11: 59
      +2
      You still remember about the Chinese pace of shipbuilding here ..)) 25000 tons of displacement .. what are they going to push with fuel oil boilers from the middle of the last century? The article is also beautiful: nothing, except that the decision was made .. to be built by the year 30 .. Decided on the technical characteristics .. author, and where, in fact, the technical characteristics of the ship? Armament, SU, crew size, autonomy? In general, it was decided that we still need a helicopter carrier.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 17 November 2019 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Dikson
        You still remember about the Chinese pace of shipbuilding here ..)).
        But why not remember? If they are going to lay UFOs in the spring)) I remember they wrote earlier that half of the boys in that Russia did not live up to 10 years old ... If so, then three generations will build one UDC? belay
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 17 November 2019 12: 19
          +1
          Well, how else, then? It is necessary to get "unparalleled in the world" .. I’m wondering - there are no power machines, no turbines, no powerful marine diesel engines ... - and the projects are pouring in one more grandiose than the other .. the truth ends with the launch of another MRK. ..
      2. jayich
        jayich 17 November 2019 16: 51
        +1
        Well, what is it like we produce wrc from icebreakers up to 9mW.
        Specialists of the Severodvinsk Zvezdochka completed testing a new complex for icebreakers that will operate in the Arctic.

        The Zvezdochka ship repair center, located in the city of Severodvinsk, completed the tests of the largest in Russia propeller-steering column of the DRK9000 project. This was reported by the portal "Pomerania".

        It is known that the new Russian-made screw-steering complex is designed for icebreakers that will operate in the Arctic and on the Northern Sea Route.

        Zvezdochka notes that the DRK9000 is today a real breakthrough in shipbuilding. According to shipbuilders, a 9-megawatt propeller-steering column or 12 horsepower is superior to its competitors in almost all respects. The design uses special cold-resistant steel grades that make the product resistant to low temperatures and extreme Arctic operating conditions.
        Well, the classic Kolomna diesel generators to help.
        Nodes 20 to issue on 3 pieces. It can and okay.
      3. Artemiy_2
        Artemiy_2 18 November 2019 00: 50
        +1
        Decided on TTX .. ​​author, but where, in fact, TTX ship? Armament, SU, crew size, autonomy? In general, it was decided that we still need a helicopter carrier.

        Can you still hand over all the documentation?
    3. Grits
      Grits 17 November 2019 15: 52
      +3
      Quote: sabakina
      Seven years. Tell me how many years the frog eaters have built two Mis

      4 years. Those bastards know how ...
  13. Durman_54
    Durman_54 17 November 2019 12: 02
    -9
    Again gigantomania ... they don’t want to add nuclear weapons there? Or artillery in caliber 400mm?
    Another Leader will succeed.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 17 November 2019 13: 28
      +2
      Iron itself is inexpensive. Saving displacement makes sense to achieve high speed performance. But in the future there will be wide opportunities for modernization. And if the deck is forced into container or inclined launchers, the UDC turns into a missile cruiser. Anything better than investing in the modernization of 956 destroyers
      1. Durman_54
        Durman_54 17 November 2019 15: 32
        -2
        What's the difference? We are frigates (5 times lighter in displacement) for 10 years. A ship of 25 thousand tons will never be made at such a pace. But the money for it will be mastered quite quickly.
        1. jayich
          jayich 17 November 2019 16: 57
          0
          Well, the same cargo ship of the river-sea class rivets very quickly here and there the deadweight is up to 7500 tons (quickly this is a year and a half.
          Yes, and the Arctic this year will go for testing, and there 33000 tons, but it’s been built for about 7 years, but it is also nuclear.
  14. dgonni
    dgonni 17 November 2019 12: 09
    +3
    I'm wildly sorry. But all the same, and by what project will they be laid then? If on the same Leader they already saw models and there was a preliminary what any study in the displacement of 19000 tons. That udk in such displacement in fact there is nothing.
    P.S. Oh yeah! And what engines will stand then?
    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir 17 November 2019 13: 07
      +1
      But all the same, and by what project will they be laid then?

      Perhaps under the Surf project there is 24000 tons or a variation on the theme of the 11780 project (25000 tons). And the engines, well, as an option 4 GTE M90FR, a doubled power plant from 22350, there are still no other options besides the atomic one. Or maybe they’ll put the reactor.
      1. jayich
        jayich 17 November 2019 16: 59
        +1
        Yes, why would he have enough turbines and diesel engines with VRK, there is no need for 30 knots
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 17 November 2019 19: 25
          0
          Yes, what are you? We look at the speed of movement of all those accompanying in the economy and see clearly. The same udk of the French did not fit any side.
          Oh yeah! Which diesel engines will provide 25000 tons of traffic in the economy and 18 knots?
          1. jayich
            jayich 18 November 2019 09: 40
            0
            And with us all the BDKs are not particularly fast, and not one does not do 20 nodes.
            Conventional diesel generators for 3000 hp. Thing. Based on d49.
            Unless, of course, do electric movement.
            Yes, in principle, you can stand the same as on the black chrome
    2. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 18 November 2019 00: 51
      0
      You can buy a power plant from the Chinese
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 17 November 2019 12: 14
    +3
    It is interesting when everything starts, everything will be super interesting, when / if everything is good, it ends successfully.
    Let's see, in short.
  16. askort154
    askort154 17 November 2019 12: 17
    +6
    When our "hug" with the French under the name "Mistral" failed, I waited for his "continuation" to emerge. After all, we got their technology of "block" construction of such a submarine. In addition, they themselves built one "back" part. And finally, the ice has broken. And most importantly, where ?!
    IN CRIMEA !!! good yes
  17. janeck
    janeck 17 November 2019 12: 19
    +3
    I propose to name the names of the heroes of Donbass .. "Motorola" and "Givi"
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 17 November 2019 22: 26
      0
      Those serving in Somalia and Sparta will be against it. On the anniversary of Givi, his fighters decided not to remember him. Legends, they know, are just legends. But as a matter of fact, I know better from the trenches of the DPR.
  18. Earthshaker
    Earthshaker 17 November 2019 12: 45
    0
    Ka-29, after all, is an average helicopter. The question is - when did we get heavy ship-based helicopters?
  19. 89625588851
    89625588851 17 November 2019 12: 49
    -3
    In China, from the bookmark to the launch of the helicopter carrier less than a year passes if I am not mistaken ... But we plan to transfer the fleet to the fleet in 2027, and most likely then it will be transferred to the left again ...
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 55
      0
      In China, from bookmark to launching a helicopter carrier, less than a year passes if I'm not mistaken ...


      In China, ships are armed at times weaker than Russian ships in terms of both air defense and missile weapons.

      To do a lot is not to do well at all.
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 November 2019 22: 13
      +2
      Quote: 89625588851
      In China, from bookmark to launching a helicopter carrier, less than a year passes if I'm not mistaken ...

      Recall that the project 075 universal landing ship (UDC) is being built for the PLA Navy at the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard since 2016, and commissioning is expected in 2021.
  20. Vadmir
    Vadmir 17 November 2019 12: 51
    +5
    The second source said that the displacement of the UDC will be greater than previously planned - 25 thousand tons, not 15.
    Common sense prevailed! It really will be UDC, from the word universal, and not something that is not capable of anything alone. 20 helicopters include the landing Ka-29 and attack Ka-52 and a pair of Ka-27PS just in case. I hope these ships will be used in the anti-submarine version with the Lamprey or Ka-27, and along with the Ka-31 in the interests of escort ships. Well, for future VTOL, if they ever do.
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 17 November 2019 19: 31
      -2
      Without a project, ento are just words. No project, no bookmarks! So a concussion and no more!
      In such displacements and theoretical possibilities, even the union was not scattered in words.
      What about this? Just zilch!
      1. Artemiy_2
        Artemiy_2 18 November 2019 00: 54
        +1
        Why did you decide that there is no project? We have documentation on the Mistral. Developments in the Soviet UDC. Yes, and the design bureau conducted initiative developments
  21. Old26
    Old26 17 November 2019 12: 57
    +5
    Quote: 89625588851
    and most likely the dates will then be transferred to the left again ...

    If the dates were moved to the left, prices would not have been such transfers. But they can transfer To the rightthat's bad
    1. 89625588851
      89625588851 17 November 2019 13: 04
      0
      Exactly) this is what he meant.
  22. faterdom
    faterdom 17 November 2019 13: 08
    +6
    Crimea is not a parasite, as the comprador liberals sing to us. It is badly neglected and robbed, but ... its geostrategic position is already in itself plus a huge, it is worth a lot - at least in the South of Russia-Transcaucasia-Middle East-Eastern Europe region, the possession of Crimea simply nullifies all 13 + 2 aircraft carrier groups NATO - they have nothing to catch there, it is mortally dangerous for them to be there. The cost of their construction and maintenance is more than one hundred lards. And such a confusion.
    Well, the economy, with a normal approach, is able to bring it to the donor region, and with special cynicism, the same savings would not only open branches in the Crimea, but also invest all dividends from the state. But would Herman be opposed - to imprison the Russian economy for sabotage. 8 years to start.
    1. rhino
      rhino 17 November 2019 16: 59
      -7
      1. Don’t bring Crimea to the region from the word Savsem !!! In Ukraine, it was subsidized by 64%, now in Russia it is about 80%. And it will remain so.
      2. Crimea can’t reset aircraft carrier groups either, because US aircraft carriers cannot pass under bridges. Well, if only blow up. You first compare the power and abilities of at least one AUG and the Crimea, and then write.
      3. If you obligate Sberbank of Russia to open branches in the Crimea, then it will have to close branches in Europe, the USA, etc. You know the sanctions ...
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 52
        +1
        Don’t bring Crimea to the region from the donor’s word !!!


        Crimea is a resort, Crimea is hydrocarbon reserves on the shelf, Crimea is shipbuilding, Crimea is agriculture.

        I don’t see a single reason why Crimea cannot become a region as a donor.

        The fact that Russia is actively investing in this region now is quite normal and understandable, but then it will pay off many times and will regularly bring income to people living in Crimea and budgets of all levels.

        In addition to Sberbank in Russia, more than 600 banks and some of them are represented in the Crimea. In Crimea, there are no problems with banking services.
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 November 2019 22: 15
      -1
      Quote: faterdom
      But would Herman be opposed - to imprison the Russian economy for sabotage.

      Who will put him in prison? "We are not giving up ours."
  23. Old26
    Old26 17 November 2019 13: 10
    +3
    Quote: askort154
    When our "hug" with the French under the name "Mistral" failed, I waited for his "sequel" to emerge. After all, we got their technology of "block" construction of such submarines... In addition, they themselves built one "back" part. And finally, the ice has broken. And most importantly, where ?!
    IN CRIMEA !!! good yes

    Alexander! I put you a plus for this post and for high spirits. How can it happen sometimes. One word - and the mood has risen. and this allocated word in your post laughing good

    Quote: dgonni
    I'm wildly sorry. But all the same, and by what project will they be laid then? If on the same Leader they already saw models and there was a preliminary what any study in the displacement of 19000 tons. That udk in such displacement in fact there is nothing.
    P.S. Oh yeah! And what engines will stand then?

    Are you sure that in fact there is nothing. Or WE JUST NOT SHOWN the layout of such a project and did not say anything about it. What is shown at exhibitions and what may actually be are two big differences.
    As an example. A friend of mine lives in Leningrad (St. Petersburg). His father-in-law works (or worked, I don’t know for sure) at the Krylov Center. According to my friend, he had to visit the rooms where the models stand on the stands, which were tested in the pool of the Krylov Center. A couple or three of these models are very reminiscent of the American Zumvolt. Mostly in appearance. Have you heard something about such a project and the elaboration of such a project? Me not. I think that the overwhelming majority too. God forbid, we will find out about 1-2 projects out of two dozen, developed in KB. And this applies to everything: ships, planes, missiles, shooters
    1. askort154
      askort154 18 November 2019 07: 19
      -1
      Old26 .....Alexander! I put you a plus for this post and for high spirits. How can it happen sometimes. One word - and the mood has risen. and this is the highlighted word in your post

      Vladimir good ! I caught myself when "the locomotive had already left" crying But I’m not sad, but I’m glad that I cheered you up! wink hi
  24. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 17 November 2019 14: 19
    +1
    UDC for 25 kilotons is 200-250 meters long. At Shipyard Bay one dry dock 360 meters which since 2015 has been occupying real estate in the form of project 15310 Sviyaga and Vyatka, which occupy half of the dock. There is no place for UDC in the dock, can Sviyagu and Vyatka be surrendered by May 2020?
    Py. SUS.
    I can’t believe in the deadlines. The above-mentioned project of 15310 for 10 kilotons is being built for the fifth year, and here UDC for 25 kilotons in seven years)
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 17 November 2019 14: 33
      +3
      They are being built for the fifth year due to delays in the supply of imported equipment. This is not a factory problem. Most likely, these cable vessels will be launched by May. Surrender not earlier than 5 years
      It is likely that for the UDC construction, they will attract specialists from the Baltic plant who took part in the construction of the Mistral
      1. KrolikZanuda
        KrolikZanuda 17 November 2019 19: 23
        0
        It would be nice, we'll see. And then there are a lot of unfinished buildings near the Gulf, two more Olympia on the outfitting embankment what year they stand.
      2. Alf
        Alf 17 November 2019 22: 17
        0
        Quote: Artemiy_2
        They are being built for the fifth year due to delays in the supply of imported equipment.

        Will there be no imported iron on the UDC? Or as in the case of the Superjet, "it suddenly turned out that the wing was cut off."
        1. Artemiy_2
          Artemiy_2 17 November 2019 23: 32
          +1
          and what was cut off in the superjet? What is it not released?
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 November 2019 23: 49
            0
            Quote: Artemiy_2
            and what was cut off in the superjet? What is it not released?

            Whose material is they making now?
            1. Artemiy_2
              Artemiy_2 18 November 2019 00: 45
              +1
              In the superjet?
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 18 November 2019 08: 36
          -1
          I think there will be a lot of Chinese iron there .. And not quite iron either .. And it’s a pity that you can’t order empty enclosures in China (is it a project?), Overtake them in Crimea and put everything in them, that's all .. In reality, the deadlines would have reduced the commissioning .. But it is clear that the Chinese can cram so many bookmarks that the ship itself can leave China without a crew if necessary ..))
  25. Berkut24
    Berkut24 17 November 2019 14: 37
    +1
    I think that the biggest problem in building our fleet is to understand the Navy what they need. Because it itself does not know what it needs and for what. Krylovtsy, probably already tired of playing a guessing game with their modeling at exhibitions.
    Therefore, if the Defense Ministry has finally decided, then we can say that 50% of the work on the ship has been done.
  26. jayich
    jayich 17 November 2019 16: 28
    0
    Oh, they would still have VTOL, generally there would be a song
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 44
      +1
      Oh, they would still have VTOL, generally there would be a song


      VTOL and then you can put on the UDC, first you need to make a ship and preferably more than 2 pieces.
      1. jayich
        jayich 18 November 2019 09: 54
        +2
        Yes, it’s clear that ships are needed first, but it’s much harder to make a vertical line than a ship.
        Udk rivets a dozen countries, and VTOL only one country in the world.
  27. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 17 November 2019 16: 28
    -3
    again, the damned cut into unnecessary vessels, and minesweepers are not enough
    1. rhino
      rhino 17 November 2019 17: 02
      -1
      And Ukraine also has additional costs. Neptune will have to do it additionally.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 43
        +2
        And Ukraine also has additional costs. Neptune will have to do it additionally.


        Ukraine can make at least 100 Neptune anti-ship missiles and launch all of them at Russian ships, but all of them will be shot down or diverted from ships by jamming systems, and after that, the Neptune anti-ship missile launchers will be immediately destroyed by the Russian Aerospace Forces, together with the radar , air defense facilities and all other military facilities of Ukraine.

        After 5 days, the one who gives the order to attack the Russian ships will gobble up not only his tie, but also everything else that they put in his throat.
        1. rhino
          rhino 18 November 2019 10: 24
          -1
          I'm going to see the film "If tomorrow is war."
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 38
      +2
      again, the damned cut into unnecessary vessels, and minesweepers are not enough


      Why did you decide that UDC is not needed by Russia ?! And will you also land marine corps and cover from the air on a minesweeper?

      Well, at the expense of minesweeps pr.12700:
      - 2 in the ranks;
      - 1 at the ZHI;
      - 4 are under construction;
      - 1 already signed a construction contract;
      - and 4 more are planned.
      And probably the series will continue.

      Not No Vladimir.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 17 November 2019 22: 17
        -2
        Three minesweepers were assigned to the dry cargo ship Marina Raskova’s campaign in the Barents Sea, it turned out that not many were killed ..... how many minesweepers does the fleet need based on a pair of minesweepers for each ship of the first second rank? and one for each ship of the third rank? and how much is left for bulk carriers? Now about the marines ... where are you going to send the infantry and why? if you do not answer, it means that the Marine Corps has no tasks beyond the reach of the MDK like Dugong and Chamois !!!!
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 18 November 2019 21: 00
          0
          So maybe it’s not the number of trawls or any other equipment, but its quality ?!

          Three minesweepers were assigned to the dry cargo ship Marina Raskova’s campaign in the Barents Sea, it turned out that not many were killed .....


          And why did you decide that if there were 10 of them, the situation would be different ?!

          And the marine corps with equipment will be transported to where it will be needed. For this, UDC is building.

          And we also build minesweepers, and the farther, the better and faster.

          What is basically your nagging I do not understand.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 11: 31
            0
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            So maybe it’s not the number of trawls or any other equipment, but its quality ?!
            ah ......... yes ...... then in Russia there are only three of them because the rest are totally out of date
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 19 November 2019 16: 52
              +1
              So far there are 3 new ones, but minesweepers are building and laying new ones.

              What are you whining for ?!
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 22: 47
                0
                do you think three minesweepers on two oceans and three seas are sufficient for Russia? I think you are raving, you are trying by continuous repetitions of nagging, to hide the weakness of your position and at least pretend to be smart? ..... it is better for you to study more and then you can participate in disputes on equal terms
                1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Ratmir_Ryazan 20 November 2019 01: 56
                  0
                  I write about the fact that you are whining, because you really are whining.

                  I said somewhere that 3 minesweepers is enough for the fleet ?!

                  I said that minesweeps are built and higher nagging on this subject is groundless.

                  And we need helicopter carriers, especially on the Black Sea. And the sea landing we have where to transport and where to land it.
                  1. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 20 November 2019 07: 24
                    -1
                    Well then, you need to clarify 1 how soon the number of minesweepers will be sufficient for the safe entry of ships into the sea, taking into account the speed of their construction? 2 explain to whom where and why do you want to transport and land from udk? (which, as we know, they won’t be able to go to sea at all, because in the next 20 years the number of minesweepers will not reach the desired value, taking into account the very optimistic assumption about the construction of two per year)
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 18 November 2019 00: 33
        -2
        everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the outside, but one still cannot go down to the level of a schoolboy from a shooter; going to sea in wartime is fraught with many dangers, including land mines, that is, the number of minesweepers that are now, taking into account those under construction multiplies by zero any opportunity for a navy ship to simply go to sea in case of war, we already looked like this in Port Arthur! What can I further discuss? If there is no proper support for operations, then the fleet is useless, then you can just turn it in to the scrap without losses for defense ..... remove the pink glasses .......... Now you have nothing to say about the landing ............, according to the military doctrine of the Russian Federation, Russia can lead by land and sea means no more than one local war. The ground forces of the Russian Federation for 2019 had a strength of about 300 thousand people, including the rear, automobile, pipeline engineering troops, artillery and military air defense. It should be borne in mind that only in the best case, every tenth person is a direct combat soldier (motorized infantry or tanker), that is, a combat unit is 30 thousand people, approximately, for the entire territory of the Russian Federation. ....... It is a mistake to consider that the landing troops are intended to be thrown behind enemy lines, their first task is the rapid deployment of troops over their controlled territory (very large), this is the reserve headquarters, and landed under the existing rear infrastructure and artillery, missile and other, that is why the Airborne Forces are so numerous in 2015, the number of Russian Airborne Forces was 45 troops. that is, more than motorized infantry and tankers combined and it is logical that Il000 and BDK are used to move paratroopers ..... and only as an additional unlikely task to actually land behind enemy lines. The main weakness of the landing is the lack of rear, so it lands ONLY near the front line for tactical attacks and support the main attack of the ground forces, followed by connection with the main troops ......... and finally about your meaningless UDC. Russia has such a number of ground troops and landing that (taking into account the pulling up of the rear, the delivery of everything and everything by sea, as well as the need for constant defense of its territory), the Russian Federation IS NOT ABLE to physically carry out military aggression against any country more than 76-300 km from the borders of the Russian Federation , which means UDC and the Russian Aircraft Carrier are not needed.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 November 2019 09: 15
          +3
          Not. Rather, it’s not quite like that.

          1) The most popular conflict of our time = to kick the disabled.
          The Navy is ready for such a task, but only the expeditionary component is zero. If the BTA is circumcised - and it can be circumcised, because it is the right of every country to allow or not to allow aircraft to fly. That whole expedition will be screwed up.

          2) A real demonstration of the threat is a limited operation against a more or less strong country. Well, not the level of Italy. Well, and Thailand. Where there is some kind of aviation and navy. With limited goals, like in the Falkland Islands. By year 25, it will be realistic to assemble a rigid IBM (yes, and now):
          Nakhimov + Ustinov
          2-3 frigate 22350
          2 frigate 11356
          Wise
          3-4 Corvette
          underwater shock component

          But the expeditionary component will not be at all.

          3) The most popular load on UDC / DKVD today is to run around the world. To carry something. Show flag. Provide support in various internal conflicts and revolutions. Participate in exercises. Reconfigured for the task. To carry humanitarian aid. Help in natural disasters. All this on unlimited autonomy and 180-240 days of the year.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 19 November 2019 11: 34
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            The most popular load on UDC / DKVD today is to run around the world. To carry something. Show flag. Provide support in various internal conflicts and revolutions. Participate in exercises. Reconfigured for the task. To carry humanitarian aid. Help in natural disasters. All this on unlimited autonomy and 180-240 days a year.

            All this can be done by BDK 775, with amplification by tug and tanker
  28. senima56
    senima56 17 November 2019 17: 33
    +1
    Finally "Zaliv" will receive a worthy order! drinks
  29. faterdom
    faterdom 17 November 2019 17: 54
    +4
    Quote: Nashorn
    1. Don’t bring Crimea to the region from the word Savsem !!! In Ukraine, it was subsidized by 64%, now in Russia it is about 80%. And it will remain so.
    2. Crimea can’t reset aircraft carrier groups either, because US aircraft carriers cannot pass under bridges. Well, if only blow up. You first compare the power and abilities of at least one AUG and the Crimea, and then write.
    3. If you obligate Sberbank of Russia to open branches in the Crimea, then it will have to close branches in Europe, the USA, etc. You know the sanctions ...

    And here ... fighters of the virtual front got out.
  30. fa2998
    fa2998 17 November 2019 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    It's about 10 gazelles, instead of 1 kamaz.

    Kamaz is a good thing, but such ships alone do not sail. For them, as for aircraft carriers, you need an escort group. Moreover, oceanic, and not coastal navigation. recourse hi
  31. Dmitry Donskoy
    Dmitry Donskoy 17 November 2019 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: Evil 55
    And call "Crimea" and "Donbass" .. Let the "jumpers" hang themselves ..

    Yes, and our liberals too yes
  32. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2019 19: 33
    +2
    Each will have a displacement of about 25 thousand tons and a length of about 220 meters


    Our analogue of "Mistrals". Well, that's just fine!
  33. Gato
    Gato 17 November 2019 20: 51
    -2
    in the spring of 2020, they will carry 20 heavy helicopters and will be able to carry up to two battalions of marines

    Interestingly, but have we already found out where in 2027 it will be necessary to transport 4 battalions of MP? Who to dominate?
  34. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 18 November 2019 02: 16
    +1
    Quote: Durman_54
    Again gigantomania ... they don’t want to add nuclear weapons there? Or artillery in caliber 400mm?
    Another Leader will succeed.

    And what is bad for such a jar? uploaded for the entire period of operation, as in Colombia, and press the gas)) Question to expert iksperdy, why build an expensive floating dock, if it's cheaper to dig just a dry dock? Who cares ?
  35. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 18 November 2019 02: 35
    +1
    Quote: vladimir1155
    everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the outside, but one still cannot go down to the level of a schoolboy from a shooter; going to sea in wartime is fraught with many dangers, including land mines, that is, the number of minesweepers that are now, taking into account those under construction multiplies by zero any opportunity for a navy ship to simply go to sea in case of war, we already looked like this in Port Arthur! What can I further discuss? If there is no proper support for operations, then the fleet is useless, then you can just turn it in to the scrap without losses for defense ..... remove the pink glasses .......... Now you have nothing to say about the landing ............, according to the military doctrine of the Russian Federation, Russia can lead by land and sea means no more than one local war. The ground forces of the Russian Federation for 2019 had a strength of about 300 thousand people, including the rear, automobile, pipeline engineering troops, artillery and military air defense. It should be borne in mind that only in the best case, every tenth person is a direct combat soldier (motorized infantry or tanker), that is, a combat unit is 30 thousand people, approximately, for the entire territory of the Russian Federation. ....... It is a mistake to consider that the landing troops are intended to be thrown behind enemy lines, their first task is the rapid deployment of troops over their controlled territory (very large), this is the reserve headquarters, and landed under the existing rear infrastructure and artillery, missile and other, that is why the Airborne Forces are so numerous in 2015, the number of Russian Airborne Forces was 45 troops. that is, more than motorized infantry and tankers combined and it is logical that Il000 and BDK are used to move paratroopers ..... and only as an additional unlikely task to actually land behind enemy lines. The main weakness of the landing is the lack of rear, so it lands ONLY near the front line for tactical attacks and support the main attack of the ground forces, followed by connection with the main troops ......... and finally about your meaningless UDC. Russia has such a number of ground troops and landing that (taking into account the pulling up of the rear, the delivery of everything and everything by sea, as well as the need for constant defense of its territory), the Russian Federation IS NOT ABLE to physically carry out military aggression against any country more than 76-300 km from the borders of the Russian Federation , which means UDC and the Russian Aircraft Carrier are not needed.

    Don't you think that you are living outdated stereotypes? I, as a man in the street from the couch, see the UDC only for military operations with the "Papuans" (terrorists) and other oppositions and Guaids. And when you start to lay mines at the exit from the SSBN bases, it will no longer be a local war with all the resulting Topols and Yars. And no port art is foreseen with dry cargo vessels floating back and forth, since these ports, in theory, should not remain after a nuclear bombardment, and on both sides of the opposing sides.
  36. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 18 November 2019 07: 38
    -2
    Where are you going to land? Or then again they will sell to China at the price of scrap metal?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 18 November 2019 08: 47
      0
      Well, how is it where? We have bases in Syria for 100 years .. Our friendship and love with Africa has flared up with renewed vigor .. And in Africa without a landing is absolutely impossible .. Yes, and Venezuela flounders and asks to throw her a lifebuoy .. Some festive visits to Tu -160 there is no way to get rid of .. - I wish I could compose a UDC from an old nuclear-powered ship to the Northern Fleet .. So that I could "throw" helicopters with a landing party to any Arctic coast ..
  37. Baron wrangel
    Baron wrangel 18 November 2019 13: 19
    +1
    Well, according to my insider information, the UDC parameters will be clear wink In 2015, I spoke with one of the representatives of the Russian military delegation (simply the military), who were trained and familiarized in France with the work of the Mistrals, because 2 ships of this type were to be delivered to the Russian Federation. So, in his words, the Russian side was not very upset by the termination of the contract, as it managed (!) To obtain the complete technical documentation for the Mistral, which was necessary for the production of similar or similar floating vehicles at its shipyards. Therefore, the parameters of the UDC will be very predictable. Why reinvent the wheel when the Chinese do it a million times hi Wait and see
  38. Bitzer
    Bitzer 18 November 2019 13: 23
    0
    Will be a la "Mistral-Rus" laughing
  39. ochakow703
    ochakow703 18 November 2019 14: 13
    +1
    Quote: g1v2
    If in your head there are separately the country of Russia and the state of Russia

    Dear, open the geography textbook for grade 6, everything is written about it, and it is explained in white to Russian that the state and the country are far different concepts.
  40. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 18 November 2019 23: 24
    0
    Everything would be fine, but such ships need a good escort of new frigates, at least, and with their construction in the Russian Federation, alas, things do not shine ... Without a decent escort and UDC and BDK are just targets ...
  41. andrew42
    andrew42 19 November 2019 10: 59
    0
    2 battalions + 20 heavy turntables, which is too much for one UDC pennant, it seems unreasonable. Where is so much for 1 ship? It is better to have 4 pieces of "1-battalion" UDC than 2 pieces of such "fly-carriers". 1. The defeat or destruction of the UDC by the probable enemy has not been canceled. Partial duplication in the form of a pair of "1-battalion" UDCs is extremely appropriate. Drowning 2 battalions at once in one trough is a lousy prospect. 2. Reducing the power requirement of the total power plant. 3. Increase of emergency maintainability - it is possible to quickly repair the edge of 4 UDC and put it back into operation, at least 3. 4. Perhaps, the draft of ships will require less, and sometimes half a meter of draft is everything. In general, the question is about the optimum in the dimensions and bearing capacity of the UDC. "2nd battalion" does not seem to be the optimum. A lot of.
  42. andrew42
    andrew42 19 November 2019 11: 02
    0
    Is that a vigorous force on the "2-battalion" UDC vpendyurit. - Well then, yes, you can take off your hat. But something suggests that this is not so.
  43. exo
    exo 19 November 2019 22: 59
    0
    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
    "Heavy helicopters" are military transport helicopters designed for the transportation of ground-based moving equipment, primarily armored vehicles. "Medium helicopters" can also carry ground equipment, but in a lightweight design, such as Mi-8 and buggy.

    So the question, in principle, arose: where are the helicopters to take? The Americans have the CH-53 and CH-46. Plus tiltrotors. To daze, they tried Mi-6. I saw the photo. But I have not heard of an attempt to numb MI-26.