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In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

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In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

The Ministry of Defense of India purchased French Rafale fighters due to the superiority of technical characteristics over the Russian Su-30MKI fighter. Thus, the Indian edition of The Economic Times is trying to justify an expensive deal.


The authors of an article in the publication call the acquisition of French aircraft "a very good deal." Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, otherwise the French fighter is significantly superior to it.

The newspaper claims that the ability to prolongly barrage French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI. The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, against 400 – 550 km at Su-30MKI. French fighters can fly five sorties a day, and Russian fighters can fly three. Thanks to "superior American-made radars and missiles," intercepting one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while intercepting Rafale requires two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

Rafale's armament surpasses all other armament systems in the region and will give India the ability to hit Pakistani aircraft over long distances without the threat of being seen. In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani land with absolute accuracy

- writes the edition.

Recall that India purchased from France 28 single and 8 double Rafale fighters. An agreement worth 7,87 billion euros was concluded in September 2016 of the year. The first batch of 4 aircraft should arrive in India in May 2020, and the delivery of all fighters will take place before 2022 year.
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    1. rich
      rich 17 November 2019 08: 42 New
      +10
      Back in August of this year, the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics announced that it would curtail licensed production of Russian fourth-generation Su-30MKI fighters in March 2020 if it did not receive new orders for such aircraft.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 17 November 2019 09: 58 New
        +46
        How tired of this news from India.
        One solid Indian movie. Exactly so much useful information.
        Sometimes you can see, but every day.
        1. figwam
          figwam 17 November 2019 10: 20 New
          +18
          long barrage of French aircraft 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI. The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI

          That just do not invent to justify wasted money.
          1. krot
            krot 17 November 2019 11: 29 New
            +9
            The great Indian experts on vimanika sastra and brahma putra decided so in a meditative state! And they can be understood, this is the only thing that can rightfully suit)
            But seriously, still striped and Europeans are afraid to arrange demonstrative aerial battles with us .. This says a lot .. Masters scratch their tongues ..
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 8 December 2019 16: 17 New
              0
              Invalid. You about dogfayte, I suppose?
              And you need to compare still the middle and long distances.
              The news about decreasing the number of orders is bad. Let me remind you that after India left the FGFA program, the number of purchased (in the future) Su-57s for the airborne forces was revised 2-3 times to decrease. And here they laughed "we will get more" ...
          2. kjhg
            kjhg 17 November 2019 12: 20 New
            +17
            This is not just fiction, but a lie. The Su-30MKI is certainly not an ideal aircraft, but it is not inferior to Rafal twice. If the Indians want a modern fighter, then let them agree with Russia on modernization to a modern level. This lie is designed for complete ignoramuses.
            1. tracer
              tracer 17 November 2019 14: 40 New
              +3
              Do you think many specialists in military combat aviation in India? Yes, they have legs in their mouth ..
          3. Charik
            Charik 17 November 2019 12: 55 New
            +3
            if you hang the ptb on Rafali, then it will remain unarmed and can fly 1000km
          4. Eug
            Eug 17 November 2019 14: 42 New
            +3
            Interestingly, the combat load is taken into account?
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 18 November 2019 07: 20 New
              +13
              The combat radius of the su-30 is 1500 km. Specific fuel consumption is less than that of 0,75 versus 0,875 for rafal engines. Flight duration without refueling is 3,5 hours. The load of rafal and Su 30 is not comparable at all. Normal take-off su-30 is almost the same as that of rafal maximum.
          5. ™ NECTH INTERHOLOctIC ™
            ™ NECTH INTERHOLOctIC ™ 17 November 2019 15: 44 New
            +9
            Good to all!
            People you understand their calculation, as a result, a couple of Rafaley 8 of ours should be, and it’s still not known whether there will be enough to intercept! ??
            Ahaaa imagine, 8 Sushki !!
            It’s tin, and they’re flattering this nonsense to their readers !!
          6. alstr
            alstr 17 November 2019 15: 49 New
            +22
            Something I will not catch up. Take WIKI:
            "Range of flight:
            at the ground: 1270 km
            at the height of: 3000 km
            combat radius: 1500 km "

            I alone do not see the figure of 550 km or do I have glitches?
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 17 November 2019 17: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: alstr
              I alone do not see the figure of 550 km or do I have glitches?
              Enterprising Indians lay the sale of kerosene to the left for 1000 km ...
              However, 550 is approximately 1270
          7. Alex20042004
            Alex20042004 29 January 2020 18: 49 New
            0
            Something doesn’t go well.
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      2. smart ass
        smart ass 17 November 2019 10: 43 New
        +6
        Let the guys compare the characteristics is it really so? Do you have any specialists? Or did His Majesty roll back?
      3. Something
        Something 17 November 2019 12: 02 New
        +16
        Quote: Military Review News
        The authors of an article in the publication call the acquisition of French aircraft "a very good deal." Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has just one advantage - it's cheaper, the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to him.

        From this article it smells of blatant lies.Su-30MK surpasses Rafal in maneuverability, in view of its engine with a deflected thrust vector AL-31FP, which allows the fighter to be super maneuverable. Rafal does not have such an engine and not super-maneuverable. "Version Su-30MK for India. A multi-functional twin fighter with front horizontal tail and engine with a thrust vector rejected (AL-31FP)".
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      5. Alexander Petrov1
        Alexander Petrov1 18 November 2019 07: 10 New
        0
        I don’t understand something like this? - “It will give India the opportunity to hit Pakistani aircraft at great distances without the threat of being seen. In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani land with absolute accuracy” - unless there are no super-long X-30UEs on the Indian Su-35s and BraMos (it’s our Onyx) with a range of up to 300 km, as well as R-33E and R-37E, also up to 300 km, because they also have enough to get it from Indian territory anywhere in Pakistan.
      6. oprovergatel
        oprovergatel 18 November 2019 14: 21 New
        0
        Because the gypsy manages to cut the Su-30 at home with a bunch of local fillings at the price of gold. They come out one and a half times more expensive than if they bought in Russia. Therefore, the government decided to send the hindu Hindustan Aeronafs farther away and stop ordering the assembly of the Su-30 from them.
    2. knn54
      knn54 17 November 2019 08: 56 New
      +13
      Interception of one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while the interception of Rafale requires two F-16 Fighting Falcons.
      Something was remembered:
      -It was not in the bobbin
      A Hindu (censored version) was sitting in the cockpit.
      Rafal is a very complex aircraft. If other fighter pilots master in 6 ... 12 months, then this one is up to two years.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 November 2019 12: 03 New
        +3
        "Rafal is a very complex aircraft" ///
        ----
        It's right. The French stuffed it during many upgrades with a bunch of new systems and sensors. And the pilot is not easy to figure them out.
        1. KrokodilGena
          KrokodilGena 19 November 2019 01: 21 New
          0
          Flight data is approximately equal, Rafal is faster gaining altitude and carrying more load, Drying at a maximum speed exceeds the combat radius. But in on-board electronics, communications, radar, weapons, and apparently in maintenance, Dryer loses. Here, apparently, the bureaucrats from the military-industrial complex, who are responsible for the customers, clicked. Su R 35 must be offered against Rafal, even if the price had to be conceded, it would be a better investment than in some kind of African-American South American. And now such news, nothing good. India is a very important client, a partner, as you wish, to scam him here, they say Indian cinema and all that, this is stupid, God forbid no official in this vein on the record will give out what. They will not run after Russia and, unlike China, they can get any type of weaponry, any Western country, and they have demos and big plans.
      2. tracer
        tracer 17 November 2019 14: 41 New
        0
        ..Strict mode.))))
      3. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 18 November 2019 23: 16 New
        0
        Then the question of why this rafal did not bring down their f16. After all, two of them flew to intercept in February. Yes, even a Chinese airplane would have failed. Here are 4 su-30s from two dozen missiles launched on them dodged this no matter what the result.
    3. Bar2
      Bar2 17 November 2019 10: 12 New
      +30
      The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI.


      Well this is a lie, the Su-30 MKI has a radius of -1500 km. What for stupidity, for whom this infa, for dystrophans?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 November 2019 11: 50 New
        +8
        Dystrophans are a slightly different diagnosis. Although if the dystrophy of the brain, then - YES.
      2. okko077
        okko077 17 November 2019 13: 32 New
        -4
        Indicate the source where such a combat radius is indicated?
        1. Bar2
          Bar2 17 November 2019 14: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: okko077
          Indicate the source where such a combat radius is indicated?

          https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/su-30sm/
          1. okko077
            okko077 17 November 2019 14: 48 New
            +3
            This is incorrect information, or rather incorrect! The combat radius depends on the flight profile and weapons option and can be increased by using the PTB ...
            1. Bar2
              Bar2 17 November 2019 16: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: okko077
              This is incorrect information, or rather incorrect! The combat radius depends on the flight profile and weapons option and can be increased by using the PTB ...

              this is true information with a full load of fuel and weapons of the su-30 flies at 3 thousand km. What is not clear here?
              1. okko077
                okko077 17 November 2019 20: 54 New
                -3
                For Dummies.
                Radius of action
                1) tactical - the maximum distance at which the plane (helicopter) can solve the problem with the installed fueling, given mode and flight profile. Typically, the tactical range is 0,35-0,4 flight ranges.


                https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/sea/14360/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%83%D1%81

                I will add: this is the maximum distance from the aerodrome when flying there and back, at a certain height according to the assignment and with weapons when the internal fuel tanks are completely filled.
                Flight range is the distance in a straight line in one direction that an aircraft can cover at cruising (most advantageous) speed at the most favorable altitude, in terms of fuel consumption, without weapons ...

                On the site, people who have no idea about aviation are arguing about the performance characteristics of combat aircraft !!!
                1. Bar2
                  Bar2 17 November 2019 21: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: okko077
                  For Dummies.
                  Radius of action

                  you need to confuse a potential adversary in the propaganda department.
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 17 November 2019 21: 23 New
                    -6
                    No need to stupid, it’s also indicative!
        2. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 1 February 2020 02: 28 New
          0
          A few comments above!
          Prdrk!
    4. Vilensky
      Vilensky 17 November 2019 10: 19 New
      +18
      Well Indians, well talkers ...

      They are not talkers. They just have a tambourine instead of a head, and air instead of a brain. Do not believe me !? Then look at the fights in old Indian films. Each blow to the tambourine (which instead of the head) is accompanied by the booming sound of a large drum.
      angry
    5. Manas manas
      Manas manas 17 November 2019 11: 12 New
      -24
      Why would they listen to the Russians? Are they a colony of the Russian Federation?
      1. Provincial-m
        Provincial-m 17 November 2019 11: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: Manas Manas
        Why would they listen to the Russians? Are they a colony of the Russian Federation?

        Not a colony of course, but Russia is trying to prevent another slaughter in the region hi And Russians are stability and peace! From our history we know this ... and we are trying to prevent
        So something soldier
        1. Manas manas
          Manas manas 17 November 2019 11: 21 New
          -42
          How is that? Saturate the region with weapons and prevent war? Few USSR prevented wars in the Middle East and Africa? It still comes around! The cannibals were supplied with weapons for free, and then wars broke out! I see how stable the Russian World is
          1. madsollo
            madsollo 17 November 2019 12: 40 New
            +4
            That is, Russia in one person (neither the Chinese, nor the French, nor the Americans, nor even the Israelis) is trying to supply ("pump up the region") weapons there ?! Well, yes, yes ... And at the same time, only the evil-aggressive Russo-barbarians, by virtue of their all-encompassing misanthropic mentality, want to blow up this region! Bravo compadre! You have "opened" our eyes!
            1. Manas manas
              Manas manas 17 November 2019 12: 48 New
              -33
              Read carefully "And the Russians are stability and peace! We know this from our history .. and we are trying to prevent it" I commented on this fabulous expression! I did not touch the Chinese and others!
              1. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 17 November 2019 13: 29 New
                +12
                It was during the USSR that there was stability and peace in the BV, then immediately after the collapse of the Union (when the Russian Federation lost control of the region) it was full of wars, it began with the overthrow of Saddam by the phasington.
                1. Manas manas
                  Manas manas 17 November 2019 13: 34 New
                  -20
                  There was no stability! From an example, the USSR supplied weapons to instructors in North and South Yemen, despite the fact that they fought against each other
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 17 November 2019 13: 51 New
                    +16
                    Yemen is now a single type and fighting each other ... And it seems that the USSR is not there ... with instructors and weapons ... And moreover, for a long time ...
                    1. Manas manas
                      Manas manas 17 November 2019 13: 56 New
                      -20
                      Can you read? From the example of the USSR!
                  2. D16
                    D16 17 November 2019 14: 49 New
                    +4
                    Is I a chapel too? (C) laughing
                  3. Provincial-m
                    Provincial-m 17 November 2019 18: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Manas Manas
                    From an example, the USSR supplied weapons to instructors in North and South Yemen, despite the fact that they fought against each other

                    But stability was still .. A kind of parity! Our specialists were there .. I read their memoirs .. I used to shoot, but everything was within! soldier
                2. Perun Horch
                  Perun Horch 18 November 2019 12: 46 New
                  -10
                  There has never been stability! The USA and the USSR only added fuel to the fire for their own interests!
          2. D16
            D16 17 November 2019 14: 35 New
            +6
            How is that? Saturate the region with weapons and prevent war?

            Old as the world: Si vis pacem, para bellum.
            Few USSR prevented wars in the Middle East and Africa? It still comes around!

            Who comes around? Name sister, name? (S). laughing
            I see how stable the Russian World is

            So do I. Despite many reasons, the former provinces are still within their borders. Except especially restless. The Russian world is patient. smile
          3. Provincial-m
            Provincial-m 17 November 2019 15: 41 New
            +7
            Quote: Manas Manas
            How is that?

            Well, judging by the minuses you are a troll, I should not answer hehe
      2. Charik
        Charik 17 November 2019 12: 58 New
        +1
        no-french-because rafal bought
    6. sailor roman
      sailor roman 17 November 2019 11: 43 New
      +3
      Based on the investigation of the former judge of the Supreme Court of India Santos Hedge, corruption in India is a truly catastrophic phenomenon, covering all spheres of life. Recently, corruption is becoming more and more widespread, becoming a real disaster, leading the country to disaster. More than half of budget funds, including those allocated for defense, are deposited in the pockets of numerous officials and businessmen.
      1. Manas manas
        Manas manas 17 November 2019 13: 12 New
        -22
        It is interesting and in what pockets the state money settles in the Russian Federation, or do you have no corruption?
        1. January
          January 17 November 2019 15: 33 New
          +17
          "At least Ambassador B was shy! ..
          Is Al completely headless?
          No matter what they say -
          All will bring one to the women!
          Author: L. A. Filatov "
          Initially, it was about selling rafals to India .. Manas Manas accused Russia of pumping up the region with weapons. Then it came to corruption of Indian officials ... Manas Manas was aroused by the presence of corruption in Russia ... Let's talk about the weather in Australia? It is curious that Russia is to blame for the droughts on the west coast, or just coincided ...
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    10. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 November 2019 16: 21 New
      +2
      Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, but the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to it.

      Let them take these 2 planes, put test pilots and they will have a training battle!
      And conversations and conjectures on such topics - all from the field of greed and kickbacks!
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 18 November 2019 11: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, but the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to it.

        Let them take these 2 planes, put test pilots and they will have a training battle!
        And conversations and conjectures on such topics - all from the field of greed and kickbacks!

        Something I doubt that this was not.
        1. Geo⁣
          Geo⁣ 18 November 2019 22: 24 New
          -1
          Quote: Alex_You
          I doubt that this was not the case.

          In their article, written to justify the loss of mountains of dough on rafals, there is not a word about this fact. Although if such a battle turned out to be successful for the rafal, it would be the honey of this story. Thus: either there was no battle, or its outcome was not in favor of the rafal.
    11. valeryb
      valeryb 17 November 2019 21: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: Provincial-M
      You do not listen to the Russians, however much you regret later, but it will be too late.

      And whom should they listen to? Mikhanov who tell them they say that you don’t dance and trade like that? Hehe And it is still unknown who will regret what.
  2. Mouse
    Mouse 17 November 2019 08: 37 New
    +2
    as I understand it ... the costs, the perpayments justify their ....
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 17 November 2019 09: 48 New
      +5
      Vasya, salute! hi
      Drying Indian pilots have long been familiar. But Rafali ... Doubtful ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 November 2019 09: 52 New
        +9
        great, shy !! hi ! Vicki discovered and there are completely different tsifirki ... tryndyat Indians are scum, the rafal does not have superiority ... dancing all this ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 17 November 2019 09: 54 New
          +9
          Roma hi
          Quote: novel xnumx
          tryndyat Indians

          Who doubts? Bring down the price. yes
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 November 2019 09: 56 New
            +5
            No, well, you need to compare the unverified data - invisibility there ... and then ??? absolutely no mind
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 17 November 2019 09: 58 New
              +7
              It's not the mind, but the wallet decides. wink
              1. novel66
                novel66 17 November 2019 09: 59 New
                +4
                big money love silence ... no need to tryndet ...
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 17 November 2019 10: 22 New
                  +6
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  big money love silence ... no need to tryndet ...

                  They are extinguishing the “wave” in society ... The selling media “explain” to the public that the money was “drank” correctly, that they acquired superweapons capable of trampling Pakistan ... What about China? wassat
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 17 November 2019 10: 23 New
                    +9
                    everything is calm in China ... they’re not afraid of rafals
            2. okko077
              okko077 18 November 2019 12: 47 New
              -1
              Here you are right, you can’t argue! Only for you! True, there is no information: what Rafal sold to India.

              https://topwar.ru/118824-opasnye-vstrechi-sushek-i-rafale-f-3r-v-razorvannom-nebe-evropy-chto-sulit-novyy-syurpriz-ot-dasso.html

              https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/5966116
        2. Provincial-m
          Provincial-m 17 November 2019 11: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: novel xnumx
          dancing it all ...

          good They don’t understand what they face or pretend hehe
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 17 November 2019 08: 38 New
    +7
    The issue of an additional purchase of Sushkas is being decided.
    More precisely, deep modernization
    That is belittling. In order to bring down the price.
    1. Wolverine
      Wolverine 17 November 2019 09: 37 New
      +11
      Quote: Victor_B
      The issue of an additional purchase of Sushkas is being decided.
      More precisely, deep modernization
      That is belittling. In order to bring down the price.


      That's for sure, let them try to hang BRAMOS on rafal, each plane has its own trump niche of use.
  4. askarkidasov
    askarkidasov 17 November 2019 08: 39 New
    +2
    It is interesting then that they buy our weapons in large quantities if it is worse than the western one.
  5. Gray brother
    Gray brother 17 November 2019 08: 39 New
    +20
    Even they drive, the practical range of the Su-30MKI is 3000 kilometers.
    Then he found h-ki: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su30mki.html
    Towelheads sing and dance again.
    1. Amateur
      Amateur 17 November 2019 08: 46 New
      +8
      Even they drive, the practical range of the Su-30MKI is 3000 kilometers.

      This is if it is filled with kerosene, oil and other necessary components. And if you don’t refuel at all, don’t do MOT, just on the “flashing light” Drying will fly 400 km.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 17 November 2019 08: 52 New
        +22
        Quote: Amateur
        This is if it is filled with kerosene, oil and other necessary components.

        You propose to put the pilot in the cockpit.
        1. Amateur
          Amateur 17 November 2019 08: 55 New
          +5
          The presence of a handsome mustachioed can reduce the radius of action. drinks
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 November 2019 09: 53 New
            +5
            actually ... and can’t take off ..
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 17 November 2019 09: 11 New
          +4
          What to do with cheating right away? ))))
    2. Provincial-m
      Provincial-m 17 November 2019 09: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Towelheads sing and dance again.

      Dances someday .. No system in military procurement .. negative Buying up, everything that glitters brightly laughing
    3. parkello
      parkello 17 November 2019 09: 28 New
      +16
      about the interception of one f-16, you need 2 Su-30s ... is this all that nonsense? how .. so can I print ..? request Yes, the French make good planes and electronics, but it's like comparing Toyota Yaris and BMW320m3 fool the Indians could write everything that they might think of ... but before writing such nonsense, it was not necessary to check first. Earlier, VO was quite a respected site for me .. but recently it began to turn into yellow ... and even brownish in some places already. I'm in shock ..
      1. madsollo
        madsollo 17 November 2019 12: 47 New
        -10
        VO gave a picture for the eyes and food for the mind. And how to perceive and digest it already ... well, you understand! They gave a quote - to chew and give an assessment, and not only do it yourself.
        1. parkello
          parkello 17 November 2019 13: 10 New
          +5
          what the fuck is food for the mind? ordinary stuffing g.o.vna. no self-respecting person would give such articles frankly yellow color, not only ratings, even attention. Indians are trying to justify their expenses, and therefore write all sorts of billiards. But should I comprehend all this nonsense or at least give it some meaning? what vegetable, feel free to ask? such pictures for the eyes do not raise the site’s rating at all. But as soon as they’re set, they reduce any rating below the baseboard. nothing to write? go to a gas station ... you look and learn how to write. in a year, a second .. and do a copy-open frankly yellow edition, well, I don’t know how much you need to disregard your subscribers. to familiarize them with such pearls of Indian hucksters. And by the way, I didn’t set you a minus. but I won’t put a plus either.
      2. oprovergatel
        oprovergatel 18 November 2019 14: 31 New
        0
        So here, just, the gypsy toilet leaf is quoted.

        What claims to the site then?
        1. parkello
          parkello 20 November 2019 16: 48 New
          +1
          the fact of the matter is that they are quoting (and not only, but simply copying their toilet leaf, although they wipe them with their hands and then wash their hands) and earlier they printed selectively. yes so clear?
          1. oprovergatel
            oprovergatel 9 December 2019 16: 52 New
            0
            You, just in case, enlighten. Look in the dictionary for the meaning of the words "quote" and "citation."

            Maybe then your catharsis will come.
            1. parkello
              parkello 10 December 2019 19: 34 New
              0
              have you already arrived? even if not. wait a bit. he will come, do not worry)
    4. okko077
      okko077 17 November 2019 14: 08 New
      +2
      Gray brother! It's time to at least learn to distinguish the combat radius from the practical range of flight! To get the combat radius, the practical range is divided by 3! The practical flight range is a one-way flight range in a straight line of a fully refueling aircraft without a missile defense at the most favorable altitude with the most favorable speed for minimum fuel consumption and without suspensions and bombs ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 17 November 2019 19: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: okko077
        Gray brother! It's time to at least learn to distinguish the combat radius from the practical range of flight!

        So I distinguish. But why did Zita and Gita mean I don’t want to guess.
        Why divide by three? Like he flies a thousand kilometers, a thousand kilometers turns in an arc and a thousand kilometers flies back?
  6. lucul
    lucul 17 November 2019 08: 39 New
    +11
    The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI.

    Here are the storytellers ....))))
  7. The popuas
    The popuas 17 November 2019 08: 41 New
    +2
    I remember about Israeli planning bombs, too, similar passages were wassat ... In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani land with absolute accuracy .... bully
    1. novel66
      novel66 17 November 2019 09: 54 New
      +4
      why immediately in Pakistan then ??? "did nothing, just went in" (c)
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 17 November 2019 13: 30 New
        +3
        They play the role of the scarecrow, Pakistan plays, Russia has the USA, the USA has Russia and China ... they scare each other, but they’re cutting money .... hi
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 November 2019 08: 43 New
    +20
    It seems that the “civilized” sale of their devices to India began with the purchase of Indian media and employees of the participating ministries. laughing
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock 17 November 2019 11: 18 New
      -2
      So this is where international trade begins. Our learn to ..
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 17 November 2019 14: 31 New
        +2
        Do not underestimate ours. laughing They will not act so bluntly. But from this the effectiveness of their actions will not decrease, but even vice versa. hi
  9. kind
    kind 17 November 2019 08: 49 New
    +2
    while intercepting the Rafale will require two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

    Well, now the United States and France will also find out who is cooler. Well done, the Indians drove a peg between them, and they themselves will observe from the side!
    1. madsollo
      madsollo 17 November 2019 12: 49 New
      -10
      Ahgaa, only wedges 17 are worth something there! Wait a minute ...
  10. yang174
    yang174 17 November 2019 08: 54 New
    +2
    French fighters can fly five sorties a day, and Russian fighters can fly three.

    Why are they flying with weights? Are they tired very much?
    good joke in the morning laughing
  11. Tusv
    Tusv 17 November 2019 08: 55 New
    +3
    long barrage of French aircraft 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI.

    Yeah with 3 me PTB weighing 6.7 tons. This superiority is far-fetched. Arms take less. Speed, maneuverability worse. Missiles and radar can be
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 17 November 2019 09: 02 New
      +10
      And the question still arises with BrahMos. Rafal will not pull him, and the combat load will be less. I am silent about the fact that these are completely different in class and purpose aircraft.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 17 November 2019 09: 02 New
    +7
    They do not write anything new.
    Just see how it goes on.
    1. Provincial-m
      Provincial-m 17 November 2019 09: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      They do not write anything new.
      Just see how it goes on.

      Yes, Viktor’s articles about Hindus are already tired of it. They want it, they don’t want to .. Pakistan with them is in the liver! negative The West, I think, will be very happy. When the massacre begins .. And the Indians do not shoot and take off, except for Russian military equipment .. Here will be a joke then he he
      In Argentina it was! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 November 2019 09: 33 New
        +6
        Someone else's showdown for arms sellers like manna from heaven.
        This is life.
        1. Provincial-m
          Provincial-m 17 November 2019 11: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: rocket757
          Someone else's showdown for arms sellers like manna from heaven.
          This is life.

          War mother is native, which is happening in the Middle East ..
          Russia is trying to extinguish all this, but alas, the Jews put their eyes on Syrian oil with the help of the USA! Everything will be more complicated here hi
  13. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 17 November 2019 09: 04 New
    +1
    Verbal-diarrheal interventions. Someone has welded up on kickbacks under this contract, now, by explicit procedure, justifies the need for this contract. Plain paid article for internal use in India. Why are we publishing it?
  14. Nycomed
    Nycomed 17 November 2019 09: 07 New
    -2
    Wait and see. There will still be meetings with Pak. Then everything will become clear. In the meantime, talk about nothing. Each sandpiper praises its swamp. repeat
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 17 November 2019 09: 12 New
    +2
    Ancient Indian dances by modern technology continue and it seems they will be eternal.
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 17 November 2019 09: 23 New
    -1
    Yeah .. These gypsies have something else to tell .. For a penny-choke. Greedy and unpredictable. Worse than some neighbors
  17. Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 November 2019 09: 28 New
    0
    Did they express an official opinion on this issue, or just how much in vain did they spoil the air?
  18. prior
    prior 17 November 2019 09: 31 New
    +1
    Why are you, the Indians said, in such uniforms as the SU-30 MKI, now they are not fighting. We need such ones as Rafal, double-breasted, with ryushechkami around the turbine and to the collar of the pilot rack.
    And if they, with Rafaley, blow off dust particles and fly only in parades ... in general, it was smooth on the contract paper ...
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 17 November 2019 09: 33 New
    +2
    First of all, Delhi needs advanced French machine technology. For example, the "compact" RBE2 radar with an active phased array, which the Indians would like to install on their promising AMCA fighter, as well as Tejas MkII aircraft. laughing laughing
    1. Something
      Something 17 November 2019 12: 44 New
      +9
      Quote: E.E. NECHAEV, K.S. DERYABIN (based on open press materials)
      The main performance characteristics of radar RBE-2AA:
      Frequency range: 8-12 GHz (X-band).
      Range of detection of air targets with EPR = 5m2: 160 km in front
      hemisphere.

      RBE2 radar with an active PAR in detection range does not have outstanding characteristics, maybe it’s only compact in somethingbut not in everything.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 17 November 2019 18: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Something
        Detection range of air targets with EPR = 5m2: 160 km in front
        hemisphere.
        5m2 and visually, probably, you can ... maybe 0,5?
    2. D16
      D16 17 November 2019 14: 04 New
      +2
      And how will this radar from Rafaley move to Teijas? The French sold the planes, not the RBE2 production license.
  20. Strag
    Strag 17 November 2019 09: 37 New
    +4
    It smells more like a fake. range for flights SU30MKI 3000km (1500 combat radius), Rafaelka Combat radius (in the version of fighter-interceptor) - 1093 km; Combat radius - 1800 km
    1) Maximum load:
    Rafaelka - 9500 kg;
    Drying - 8000kg
    (“RAFALE ANNOUNCED THAT 9,5 TONS ON SU - TRADITIONALLY 8, BUT THERE IS NOT COMPARISON BATTLE EFFICIENCY. SU-30MKY VERY WIDE ROCKET SET, TAKE PLACE ABOUT THE KILLERS,” UECA JANUES FRANCE THE KILLER'S WEAPON MAKES THE MAXIMUM GIVES 400 KM, ”THE EXPERTS NOTED.)
    2) Maximum speed:
    Rafaelka - 1900
    Drying - 2400

    so that’s not the point)) either fake or other reasons and try to disguise.
    1. okko077
      okko077 17 November 2019 13: 40 New
      -2
      Dear, to get an approximate combat radius, the flight range is divided by 3! Remember at least that ...
  21. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 09: 40 New
    -8
    Pakistan has a very successful Chinese fighter that has already shot down an Indian plane ...
  22. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 November 2019 09: 44 New
    +2
    I wonder what size the kickback was given to the Gypsies by the French, sorry Indians
  23. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 17 November 2019 09: 49 New
    +2
    The combat radius at Sushka is 400-550 km ??? And the ability to perform a maximum of 3 b / departures per day is what they gave out with an interruption ??? A completely dyatsky ratio in the interceptions of the Su-30-F-16-Rafal - what the hell ??? Is there this Hindu writer to aviation at least has something to do ???
    1. Eroma
      Eroma 17 November 2019 10: 39 New
      0
      As for the number of sorties, it’s simple: you have to pour a lot more fuel in Su, you have to pour it in buckets, you need a lot more time! ... and there are more weapons suspension points too, until you hang everything up and the assortment of weapons is bigger too, until you know what you need and generally at the warehouse they will assemble everything! For the whole time it’s leaving, the roofing felts of Rafal are just a little bit here and it’s faster laughing
  24. Lesorub
    Lesorub 17 November 2019 09: 57 New
    +5
    In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

    While it is known for certain that Rafale is superior to the Su-30MKI in Price, everything else given in the article is doubtful, it was not in vain that the Hindus decided to modernize the entire Su-30MKI fleet, rather than buying further Rafale!
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  26. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 17 November 2019 10: 02 New
    +2
    Information for reflection
  27. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 10: 13 New
    -12
    Our fighters will lose aerial battles due to poor avionics ... but there is no avionics because the industry is led by awesome philologists who believe that mathematics are not needed! And there are no mathematicians, so there is no science!
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      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 10: 49 New
        -9
        Og, here recently even the SU-35 was recognized by the Katay panel ... I greased my ears with oil ... the noodles are not hung
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 17 November 2019 11: 22 New
          +2
          Saboteur, and Katay hde this? bully
    2. Andrey Ilyin_2
      Andrey Ilyin_2 17 November 2019 12: 24 New
      +4
      Doesn’t we have avionics? Have you ever been in the cockpit of a modern fighter at least once, that something tells me you weren’t ...
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 12: 36 New
        -8
        Yes, there was, for example, in the SU-35 the panel is completely Chinese ... Gee
        1. brr1
          brr1 21 November 2019 22: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Diversant Holuy
          Yes, there was, for example, in the SU-35 the panel is completely Chinese ... Gee


          I figured it out, it’s a network sadomasochist, it rushes from dislikes. Do not respond to it, do not let the disease progress. Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all. Not minus not plus. Who does not believe me, go into it, and read his comments. They are all masochistic.
    3. D16
      D16 17 November 2019 14: 17 New
      +2
      Our fighters will lose aerial combat due to poor avionics ...

      On the Su-30MKI stands a hodgepodge mainly from Israel.
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 15: 53 New
        -4
        if it’s already good from Israel, even though you have reassured me ... But our avionics is generally terrifying ... and never mind!
        1. D16
          D16 17 November 2019 15: 54 New
          0
          Are you an active pilot of the aerospace forces?
          1. Saboteur Holuy
            Saboteur Holuy 17 November 2019 15: 55 New
            -4
            God had mercy ... and hto came up with the videoconferencing ... sounds awful ... the Air Force must be returned ...
            1. D16
              D16 17 November 2019 15: 58 New
              -1
              Then on what basis are such categorical conclusions about avionics?
              SU-35 identified Katay panel

              Where is the droushka?
          2. bk316
            bk316 18 November 2019 14: 21 New
            +2
            Are you an active pilot of the aerospace forces?

            He is not a mathematician laughing belay
            1. D16
              D16 18 November 2019 15: 08 New
              0
              Well, this fundamentally changes the matter. Mathematicians, they all rummage in avionics laughing .
              1. bk316
                bk316 18 November 2019 18: 29 New
                +2
                Mathematicians, they all rummage in avionics

                SUCH mathematicians rummage in everything ... except mathematics belay wassat
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  29. Penetrating
    Penetrating 17 November 2019 10: 39 New
    +3
    Does it cost 218 million dollars for one plane? Tin is simple)
  30. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 November 2019 10: 48 New
    +5
    I wonder what percentage of the rollback was allocated to pay for this and similar opuses? laughing
  31. sir_obs
    sir_obs 17 November 2019 10: 54 New
    +2
    To equip Pakistanis instead of Hindus and in practice everything will become clear.
  32. gorenina91
    gorenina91 17 November 2019 10: 54 New
    0
    -Well, where is the real universally recognized performance data of these Rafale and our Su-30MKI ...
    -It would immediately bring this data ...
    -And then, why is it that everyone is so “worried” about India that, they say, how it miscalculated and suffered losses ... -This “concern” is in vain ... -Russia will compensate for all these losses (as always) with its constant concessions when selling any Russian weapons to India ... -So ... ... it’s not worth worrying about India ...- she will always take her own and catch up ... -by Russian supplies ...
  33. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 November 2019 10: 58 New
    +2
    I can tell a lot of things, but dances to dance like Indians, well, I just can’t. One can see the cut of banknotes among the Indians also in trend. fool lol fellow
  34. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 17 November 2019 11: 00 New
    +2
    Interestingly, how do we provide up to 8 sorties per flight in the Air Force? It turns out that more than 3 lower levels ... And if you fly 1000 km to the line of combat use (interception) and another 500, how many sorties, for example, 6 hours of daylight time, can the same board make? How did the dark-skinned dancers consider this ???
    PySy. Banderzyanam, subordinates and sheep who do not think in combat aviation, this post can also be omitted, like my post above wassat
    Negative - this is also your great deliberation! laughing laughing laughing
  35. Jerk
    Jerk 17 November 2019 11: 14 New
    -2
    Yes, it is understandable. I regularly hear from my wife about all kinds of shoes ... Well, why not just say that the left heel wanted to ?! And there and there - the truth
  36. Shaman
    Shaman 17 November 2019 11: 28 New
    +2
    as in a joke how many downs are needed to screw in a light bulb or how many Indians are needed to intercept f-16.
  37. Old26
    Old26 17 November 2019 11: 38 New
    -2
    Quote: K-612-O
    And the question still arises with BrahMos. Rafal will not pull him, and the combat load will be less. I am silent about the fact that these are completely different in class and purpose aircraft.

    Pull, but not standard, but shortened "Bramos-NG". In quantity, EMNIP of one piece
  38. vmo
    vmo 17 November 2019 12: 06 New
    0
    Actions like in Indian cinema, no brains, no good, one stupid song, hiccups the poor, and again resort to the Russians.
  39. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 November 2019 12: 11 New
    +3
    Rzhu nimagu. The Indian who painted this nonsense, can he read? And it is desirable to have the Internet - you go to Wikipedia and compare the performance characteristics of “drying” and “rafal”. And voila - you're a complete imbal
  40. semuil
    semuil 17 November 2019 12: 12 New
    +4
    They took and came up with fake characteristics to justify the purchase of new "toys for their children."
  41. Andrey Ilyin_2
    Andrey Ilyin_2 17 November 2019 12: 21 New
    +3
    And why on the photo there are no three hanging tanks ... range is more yes? And on Drying there are no hanging tanks there are rockets .. Rafal flying tank ...
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 17 November 2019 12: 50 New
      0
      .Rafal flying tank ...

      In fact of the matter. The Frenchman takes half the fuel without tanks.
      Honestly, I’m looking at the photo and I don’t understand where it is possible to place at least a couple of tons of fuel there?
  42. Miron
    Miron 17 November 2019 12: 36 New
    +1
    We need to learn what and how to write in the press when the technical characteristics of machines are available on the network in large print.
    I have never seen such a shame in my life. It is necessary to double the price of the Su-30 and until they pay in gold reserves on the threshold of not letting them go.
  43. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 17 November 2019 12: 48 New
    +2
    The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI

    Che get on us vparivayut.
    Suzogo's range is more than a thousand in any situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-30#Technical characteristics
    And the range of Rafal is approximately the same, but with hanging tanks. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Technical characteristics
    But Sukhoi is almost twice as large as the French underservice. Empty weight is 18 tons versus 10 for a Frenchman. The maximum take-off weight of the Frenchman is 24,5 tons (i.e. +14,5 to the empty weight), Sukhoi has a maximum take-off weight of 34,5 tons (+16,5 to the empty weight). But Sukhoi still has its ultimate take-off mass. And this is 38,8 tons.
    Where are the benefits of a frenchman? What are they?
  44. Charik
    Charik 17 November 2019 12: 53 New
    +1
    The newspaper claim is a convincing statement
  45. Brodyaga19
    Brodyaga19 17 November 2019 13: 16 New
    +2
    Some kind of nonsense, the practical range of the SU-30MKI is 3000km, with a refueling of 5200km!
  46. at84432384
    at84432384 17 November 2019 13: 27 New
    +3
    Big contract, big rollback. Well, paper can stand it. Nothing new in this moonlit world.
  47. CSF
    CSF 17 November 2019 13: 31 New
    0
    "The newspaper claims that the ability of long-term barrage of French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than that of the Su-30MKI. Rafale's flight range is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, compared to 400-550 km for the Su-30MKI."

    Range of flight Su-30MKI:
    at the ground: 1270 km
    at the height of: 3000 km
    combat radius: 1500 km

    Thanks to "superior American-made radars and missiles," intercepting one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while intercepting the Rafale requires two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

    Apples and uncle in Kiev.
  48. Adimius38
    Adimius38 17 November 2019 13: 35 New
    +1
    sincere nonsense. Here are the characteristics of the SU-30 Range:
    at the ground: 1270 km
    at the height of: 3000 km
    combat radius: 1500 km. The maximum radius of the Su-30 in 4000km! against 2000km at Raphael. The armament of the Su-30 is also diverse and incorporates a missile with a range of 400 km versus 150 km from Rafal.
  49. Mytholog
    Mytholog 17 November 2019 13: 43 New
    +3
    The Hindu gets on the plane, and he says to him in a human voice: "You sit here quietly, but I will do everything myself")
  50. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 November 2019 14: 44 New
    +1
    They would even compare it with Su27 .... and some hat with the time of barrage. And the rest is like the truth. Rafal was created later, in fact, the 5th generation in the 4th case. Compare correctly with the Su35S. And "Brahmos" Rafal will not raise Indian pride.