In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

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In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

The Ministry of Defense of India purchased French Rafale fighters due to the superiority of technical characteristics over the Russian Su-30MKI fighter. Thus, the Indian edition of The Economic Times is trying to justify an expensive deal.

The authors of an article in the publication call the acquisition of French aircraft "a very good deal." Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, otherwise the French fighter is significantly superior to it.



The newspaper claims that the ability to prolongly barrage French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI. The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, against 400 – 550 km at Su-30MKI. French fighters can fly five sorties a day, and Russian fighters can fly three. Thanks to "superior American-made radars and missiles," intercepting one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while intercepting Rafale requires two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

Rafale's armament surpasses all other armament systems in the region and will give India the ability to hit Pakistani aircraft over long distances without the threat of being seen. In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani land with absolute accuracy

- writes the edition.

Recall that India purchased from France 28 single and 8 double Rafale fighters. An agreement worth 7,87 billion euros was concluded in September 2016 of the year. The first batch of 4 aircraft should arrive in India in May 2020, and the delivery of all fighters will take place before 2022 year.
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  1. The comment was deleted.
    1. +10
      17 November 2019 08: 42
      Back in August of this year, the Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics announced that it would curtail licensed production of Russian fourth-generation Su-30MKI fighters in March 2020 if it did not receive new orders for such aircraft.
      1. +46
        17 November 2019 09: 58
        How tired of this news from India.
        One solid Indian movie. Exactly so much useful information.
        Sometimes you can see, but every day.
        1. +18
          17 November 2019 10: 20
          long barrage of French aircraft 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI. The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI

          That just do not invent to justify wasted money.
          1. +9
            17 November 2019 11: 29
            The great Indian experts on vimanika sastra and brahma putra decided so in a meditative state! And they can be understood, this is the only thing that can rightfully suit)
            But seriously, still striped and Europeans are afraid to arrange demonstrative aerial battles with us .. This says a lot .. Masters scratch their tongues ..
            1. 0
              8 December 2019 16: 17
              Invalid. You about dogfayte, I suppose?
              And you need to compare still the middle and long distances.
              The news about decreasing the number of orders is bad. Let me remind you that after India left the FGFA program, the number of purchased (in the future) Su-57s for the airborne forces was revised 2-3 times to decrease. And here they laughed "we will get more" ...
          2. +17
            17 November 2019 12: 20
            This is not just fiction, but a lie. The Su-30MKI is certainly not an ideal aircraft, but it is not inferior to Rafal twice. If the Indians want a modern fighter, then let them agree with Russia on modernization to a modern level. This lie is designed for complete ignoramuses.
            1. +3
              17 November 2019 14: 40
              Do you think many specialists in military combat aviation in India? Yes, they have legs in their mouth ..
          3. +3
            17 November 2019 12: 55
            if you hang the ptb on Rafali, then it will remain unarmed and can fly 1000km
          4. Eug
            +3
            17 November 2019 14: 42
            Interestingly, the combat load is taken into account?
            1. +13
              18 November 2019 07: 20
              The combat radius of the su-30 is 1500 km. Specific fuel consumption is less than that of 0,75 versus 0,875 for rafal engines. Flight duration without refueling is 3,5 hours. The load of rafal and Su 30 is not comparable at all. Normal take-off su-30 is almost the same as that of rafal maximum.
          5. +9
            17 November 2019 15: 44
            Good to all!
            People you understand their calculation, as a result, a couple of Rafaley 8 of ours should be, and it’s still not known whether there will be enough to intercept! ??
            Ahaaa imagine, 8 Sushki !!
            It’s tin, and they’re flattering this nonsense to their readers !!
          6. +22
            17 November 2019 15: 49
            Something I will not catch up. Take WIKI:
            "Range of flight:
            at the ground: 1270 km
            at the height of: 3000 km
            combat radius: 1500 km "

            I alone do not see the figure of 550 km or do I have glitches?
            1. +1
              17 November 2019 17: 17
              Quote: alstr
              I alone do not see the figure of 550 km or do I have glitches?
              Enterprising Indians lay the sale of kerosene to the left for 1000 km ...
              However, 550 is approximately 1270
          7. 0
            29 January 2020 18: 49
            Something doesn’t go well.
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      2. +6
        17 November 2019 10: 43
        Let the guys compare the characteristics is it really so? Do you have any specialists? Or did His Majesty roll back?
      3. +16
        17 November 2019 12: 02
        Quote: Military Review News
        The authors of the article, published in the publication, call the acquisition of French aircraft "a very good deal." Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has just one advantage - it's cheaper, the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to him.

        From this article it smells of blatant lies...Su-30MK surpasses Rafal in maneuverability, in view of its engine with a deflected thrust vector AL-31FP, which allows the fighter to be super maneuverable. Rafal does not have such an engine and not super-maneuverable. "Su-30MK version for India. Multifunctional two-seater fighter with front horizontal tail and engine with a thrust vector rejected (AL-31FP)".
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      5. 0
        18 November 2019 07: 10
        I did not understand something, how is it? - "It will give India the ability to hit Pakistani aircraft at a great distance without the threat of being seen. In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani soil with absolute accuracy" - and are there no super long-range Kh-30UE and BrahMos (aka our Onyx) with a range of up to 35 km, as well as R-300E and R-33E also up to 37 km, because they also have them and will be enough to get them from Indian territory anywhere in Pakistan.
      6. 0
        18 November 2019 14: 21
        Because the gypsy manages to cut the Su-30 at home with a bunch of local fillings at the price of gold. They come out one and a half times more expensive than if they bought in Russia. Therefore, the government decided to send the hindu Hindustan Aeronafs farther away and stop ordering the assembly of the Su-30 from them.
    2. +13
      17 November 2019 08: 56
      Interception of one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while the interception of Rafale requires two F-16 Fighting Falcons.
      Something was remembered:
      -It was not in the bobbin
      A Hindu (censored version) was sitting in the cockpit.
      Rafal is a very complex aircraft. If other fighter pilots master in 6 ... 12 months, then this one is up to two years.
      1. +3
        17 November 2019 12: 03
        "Rafale is a very difficult plane" ///
        ----
        It's right. The French stuffed it during many upgrades with a bunch of new systems and sensors. And the pilot is not easy to figure them out.
        1. 0
          19 November 2019 01: 21
          Flight data is approximately equal, Rafal is faster gaining altitude and carrying more load, Drying at a maximum speed exceeds the combat radius. But in on-board electronics, communications, radar, weapons, and apparently in maintenance, Dryer loses. Here, apparently, the bureaucrats from the military-industrial complex, who are responsible for the customers, clicked. Su R 35 must be offered against Rafal, even if the price had to be conceded, it would be a better investment than in some kind of African-American South American. And now such news, nothing good. India is a very important client, a partner, as you wish, to scam him here, they say Indian cinema and all that, this is stupid, God forbid no official in this vein on the record will give out what. They will not run after Russia and, unlike China, they can get any type of weaponry, any Western country, and they have demos and big plans.
      2. 0
        17 November 2019 14: 41
        ..Strict mode.))))
      3. 0
        18 November 2019 23: 16
        Then the question of why this rafal did not bring down their f16. After all, two of them flew to intercept in February. Yes, even a Chinese airplane would have failed. Here are 4 su-30s from two dozen missiles launched on them dodged this no matter what the result.
    3. +30
      17 November 2019 10: 12
      The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI.


      Well this is a lie, the Su-30 MKI has a radius of -1500 km. What for stupidity, for whom this infa, for dystrophans?
      1. +8
        17 November 2019 11: 50
        Dystrophans are a slightly different diagnosis. Although if the dystrophy of the brain, then - YES.
      2. -4
        17 November 2019 13: 32
        Indicate the source where such a combat radius is indicated?
        1. +3
          17 November 2019 14: 41
          Quote: okko077
          Indicate the source where such a combat radius is indicated?

          https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/su-30sm/
          1. +3
            17 November 2019 14: 48
            This is incorrect information, or rather incorrect! The combat radius depends on the flight profile and weapons option and can be increased by using the PTB ...
            1. +3
              17 November 2019 16: 25
              Quote: okko077
              This is incorrect information, or rather incorrect! The combat radius depends on the flight profile and weapons option and can be increased by using the PTB ...

              this is true information with a full load of fuel and weapons of the su-30 flies at 3 thousand km. What is not clear here?
              1. -3
                17 November 2019 20: 54
                For Dummies.
                Radius of action
                1) tactical - the maximum distance at which the plane (helicopter) can solve the problem with the installed fueling, given mode and flight profile. Typically, the tactical range is 0,35-0,4 flight ranges.


                https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/sea/14360/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%83%D1%81

                I will add: this is the maximum distance from the aerodrome when flying there and back, at a certain height according to the assignment and with weapons when the internal fuel tanks are completely filled.
                Flight range is the distance in a straight line in one direction that an aircraft can cover at cruising (most advantageous) speed at the most favorable altitude, in terms of fuel consumption, without weapons ...

                On the site, people who have no idea about aviation are arguing about the performance characteristics of combat aircraft !!!
                1. +2
                  17 November 2019 21: 21
                  Quote: okko077
                  For Dummies.
                  Radius of action

                  you need to confuse a potential adversary in the propaganda department.
                  1. -6
                    17 November 2019 21: 23
                    No need to stupid, it’s also indicative!
        2. 0
          1 February 2020 02: 28
          A few comments above!
          Prdrk!
    4. +18
      17 November 2019 10: 19
      Well Indians, well talkers ...

      They are not talkers. They just have a tambourine instead of a head, and air instead of a brain. Do not believe me !? Then look at the fights in old Indian films. Each blow to the tambourine (which instead of the head) is accompanied by the booming sound of a large drum.
      angry
    5. -24
      17 November 2019 11: 12
      Why would they listen to the Russians? Are they a colony of the Russian Federation?
      1. +4
        17 November 2019 11: 18
        Quote: Manas Manas
        Why would they listen to the Russians? Are they a colony of the Russian Federation?

        Not a colony of course, but Russia is trying to prevent another slaughter in the region hi And Russians are stability and peace! From our history we know this ... and we are trying to prevent
        So something soldier
        1. -42
          17 November 2019 11: 21
          How is that? Saturate the region with weapons and prevent war? Few USSR prevented wars in the Middle East and Africa? It still comes around! The cannibals were supplied with weapons for free, and then wars broke out! I see how stable the Russian World is
          1. +4
            17 November 2019 12: 40
            That is - Russia is one person (neither the Chinese, nor the French, nor the Americans, nor the Israelis, even) no one is trying to supply ("pump up the region") weapons there ?! Well, yes, well, yes ... And at the same time, only the viciously aggressive Russo-barbarians, due to their all-pervading misanthropic ministry, want to blow up this region! Bravo kompadre! You "opened" our eyes!
            1. -33
              17 November 2019 12: 48
              Read carefully "And the Russians are stability and peace! We know this from our history .. and we are trying to prevent" I commented on this fabulous expression! I did not touch on the Chinese and others!
              1. +12
                17 November 2019 13: 29
                It was during the USSR that there was stability and peace in the BV, then immediately after the collapse of the Union (when the Russian Federation lost control of the region) it was full of wars, it began with the overthrow of Saddam by the phasington.
                1. -20
                  17 November 2019 13: 34
                  There was no stability! From an example, the USSR supplied weapons to instructors in North and South Yemen, despite the fact that they fought against each other
                  1. +16
                    17 November 2019 13: 51
                    Yemen is now a single type and fighting each other ... And it seems that the USSR is not there ... with instructors and weapons ... And moreover, for a long time ...
                    1. -20
                      17 November 2019 13: 56
                      Can you read? From the example of the USSR!
                  2. D16
                    +4
                    17 November 2019 14: 49
                    Is I a chapel too? (C) laughing
                  3. 0
                    17 November 2019 18: 06
                    Quote: Manas Manas
                    From an example, the USSR supplied weapons to instructors in North and South Yemen, despite the fact that they fought against each other

                    But stability was still .. A kind of parity! Our specialists were there .. I read their memoirs .. I used to shoot, but everything was within! soldier
                2. -10
                  18 November 2019 12: 46
                  There has never been stability! The USA and the USSR only added fuel to the fire for their own interests!
          2. D16
            +6
            17 November 2019 14: 35
            How is that? Saturate the region with weapons and prevent war?

            Old as the world: Si vis pacem, para bellum.
            Few USSR prevented wars in the Middle East and Africa? It still comes around!

            Who comes around? Name sister, name? (S). laughing
            I see how stable the Russian World is

            So do I. Despite many reasons, the former provinces are still within their borders. Except especially restless. The Russian world is patient. smile
          3. +7
            17 November 2019 15: 41
            Quote: Manas Manas
            How is that?

            Well, judging by the minuses you are a troll, I should not answer hehe
      2. +1
        17 November 2019 12: 58
        no-french-because rafal bought
    6. +3
      17 November 2019 11: 43
      Based on the investigation of the former judge of the Supreme Court of India Santos Hedge, corruption in India is a truly catastrophic phenomenon, covering all spheres of life. Recently, corruption is becoming more and more widespread, becoming a real disaster, leading the country to disaster. More than half of budget funds, including those allocated for defense, are deposited in the pockets of numerous officials and businessmen.
      1. -22
        17 November 2019 13: 12
        It is interesting and in what pockets the state money settles in the Russian Federation, or do you have no corruption?
        1. +17
          17 November 2019 15: 33
          "At least I was ashamed of the ambassador! ..
          Is Al completely headless?
          No matter what they say -
          All will bring one to the women!
          Author: L. A. Filatov "
          Initially, it was about the sale of "rafals" to India .. Manas Manas accused Russia of pumping up the region with weapons. Then we talked about the corruption of Indian officials ... Manas Manas was excited by the presence of corruption in Russia ... Let's talk about the weather in Australia? Curiously, the Russian Federation is to blame for the droughts on the west coast, or just coincidence ...
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    10. +2
      17 November 2019 16: 21
      Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, but the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to it.

      Let them take these 2 planes, put test pilots and they will have a training battle!
      And conversations and conjectures on such topics - all from the field of greed and kickbacks!
      1. 0
        18 November 2019 11: 20
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Comparing the Russian Su-30MKI and the French Rafale, they indicate that the Russian aircraft has only one advantage - it is cheaper, but the rest of the French fighter is significantly superior to it.

        Let them take these 2 planes, put test pilots and they will have a training battle!
        And conversations and conjectures on such topics - all from the field of greed and kickbacks!

        Something I doubt that this was not.
        1. -1
          18 November 2019 22: 24
          Quote: Alex_You
          I doubt that this was not the case.

          In their article, written to justify the loss of mountains of dough on rafals, there is not a word about this fact. Although if such a battle turned out to be successful for the rafal, it would be the honey of this story. Thus: either there was no battle, or its outcome was not in favor of the rafal.
    11. -2
      17 November 2019 21: 06
      Quote: Provincial-M
      You do not listen to the Russians, however much you regret later, but it will be too late.

      And whom should they listen to? Mikhanov who tell them they say that you don’t dance and trade like that? Hehe And it is still unknown who will regret what.
  2. +2
    17 November 2019 08: 37
    as I understand it ... the costs, the perpayments justify their ....
    1. +5
      17 November 2019 09: 48
      Vasya, salute! hi
      Drying Indian pilots have long been familiar. But Rafali ... Doubtful ...
      1. +9
        17 November 2019 09: 52
        great, shy !! hi ! Vicki discovered and there are completely different tsifirki ... tryndyat Indians are scum, the rafal does not have superiority ... dancing all this ...
        1. +9
          17 November 2019 09: 54
          Roma hi
          Quote: novel xnumx
          tryndyat Indians

          Who doubts? Bring down the price. Yes
          1. +5
            17 November 2019 09: 56
            No, well, you need to compare the unverified data - invisibility there ... and then ??? absolutely no mind
            1. +7
              17 November 2019 09: 58
              It's not the mind, but the wallet decides. wink
              1. +4
                17 November 2019 09: 59
                big money love silence ... no need to tryndet ...
                1. +6
                  17 November 2019 10: 22
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  big money love silence ... no need to tryndet ...

                  They extinguish the "wave" in society ... The venal media "explain" to the public that the money was "drunk" correctly, that they bought a superweapon capable of trampling Pakistan ... But what about China? wassat
                  1. +9
                    17 November 2019 10: 23
                    everything is calm in China ... they’re not afraid of rafals
            2. -1
              18 November 2019 12: 47
              Here you are right, you can’t argue! Only for you! True, there is no information: what Rafal sold to India.

              https://topwar.ru/118824-opasnye-vstrechi-sushek-i-rafale-f-3r-v-razorvannom-nebe-evropy-chto-sulit-novyy-syurpriz-ot-dasso.html

              https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/5966116
        2. +6
          17 November 2019 11: 20
          Quote: novel xnumx
          dancing it all ...

          good They don’t understand what they face or pretend hehe
  3. +7
    17 November 2019 08: 38
    The issue of an additional purchase of Sushkas is being decided.
    More precisely, deep modernization
    That is belittling. In order to bring down the price.
    1. +11
      17 November 2019 09: 37
      Quote: Victor_B
      The issue of an additional purchase of Sushkas is being decided.
      More precisely, deep modernization
      That is belittling. In order to bring down the price.


      That's for sure, let them try to hang BRAMOS on rafal, each plane has its own trump niche of use.
  4. +2
    17 November 2019 08: 39
    It is interesting then that they buy our weapons in large quantities if it is worse than the western one.
  5. +20
    17 November 2019 08: 39
    Even they drive, the practical range of the Su-30MKI is 3000 kilometers.
    Then he found h-ki: http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su30mki.html
    Towelheads sing and dance again.
    1. +8
      17 November 2019 08: 46
      Even they drive, the practical range of the Su-30MKI is 3000 kilometers.

      This is if you fill it with kerosene, oil and other necessary components. And if you do not fill at all, do not do THAT, just on the "blinking light" Drying will fly 400 km.
      1. +22
        17 November 2019 08: 52
        Quote: Amateur
        This is if it is filled with kerosene, oil and other necessary components.

        You propose to put the pilot in the cockpit.
        1. +5
          17 November 2019 08: 55
          The presence of a handsome mustachioed can reduce the radius of action. drinks
          1. +5
            17 November 2019 09: 53
            actually ... and can’t take off ..
        2. +4
          17 November 2019 09: 11
          What to do with cheating right away? ))))
    2. +8
      17 November 2019 09: 25
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Towelheads sing and dance again.

      Dances someday .. No system in military procurement .. negative Buying up, everything that glitters brightly laughing
    3. +16
      17 November 2019 09: 28
      about the interception of one f-16, you need 2 Su-30s ... is this all that nonsense? how .. so can I print ..? request Yes, the French make good planes and electronics, but it's like comparing Toyota Yaris and BMW320m3 fool the Indians could write everything that they might think of ... but before writing such nonsense, it was not necessary to check first. Earlier, VO was quite a respected site for me .. but recently it began to turn into yellow ... and even brownish in some places already. I'm in shock ..
      1. -10
        17 November 2019 12: 47
        VO gave a picture for the eyes and food for the mind. And how to perceive and digest it already ... well, you understand! They gave a quote - to chew and give an assessment, and not only do it yourself.
        1. +5
          17 November 2019 13: 10
          what the fuck is food for the mind? ordinary stuffing g.o.vna. no self-respecting person would give such articles frankly yellow color, not only ratings, even attention. Indians are trying to justify their expenses, and therefore write all sorts of billiards. But should I comprehend all this nonsense or at least give it some meaning? what vegetable, feel free to ask? such pictures for the eyes do not raise the site’s rating at all. But as soon as they’re set, they reduce any rating below the baseboard. nothing to write? go to a gas station ... you look and learn how to write. in a year, a second .. and do a copy-open frankly yellow edition, well, I don’t know how much you need to disregard your subscribers. to familiarize them with such pearls of Indian hucksters. And by the way, I didn’t set you a minus. but I won’t put a plus either.
      2. 0
        18 November 2019 14: 31
        So here, just, the gypsy toilet leaf is quoted.

        What claims to the site then?
        1. +1
          20 November 2019 16: 48
          the fact of the matter is that they are quoting (and not only, but simply copying their toilet leaf, although they wipe them with their hands and then wash their hands) and earlier they printed selectively. Yes so clear?
          1. 0
            9 December 2019 16: 52
            You, just in case, enlighten. Look up in the dictionary the meaning of the words "quote" and "quotation".

            Maybe then your catharsis will come.
            1. 0
              10 December 2019 19: 34
              have you already arrived? even if not. wait a bit. he will come, do not worry)
    4. +2
      17 November 2019 14: 08
      Gray brother! It's time to at least learn to distinguish the combat radius from the practical range of flight! To get the combat radius, the practical range is divided by 3! The practical flight range is a one-way flight range in a straight line of a fully refueling aircraft without a missile defense at the most favorable altitude with the most favorable speed for minimum fuel consumption and without suspensions and bombs ...
      1. +1
        17 November 2019 19: 07
        Quote: okko077
        Gray brother! It's time to at least learn to distinguish the combat radius from the practical range of flight!

        So I distinguish. But why did Zita and Gita mean I don’t want to guess.
        Why divide by three? Like he flies a thousand kilometers, a thousand kilometers turns in an arc and a thousand kilometers flies back?
  6. +11
    17 November 2019 08: 39
    The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI.

    Here are the storytellers ....))))
  7. +2
    17 November 2019 08: 41
    I remember about Israeli planning bombs, too, similar passages were wassat ... In addition, the SCALP air-to-ground missile will be able to hit targets on Pakistani land with absolute accuracy .... bully
    1. +4
      17 November 2019 09: 54
      and why immediately on the Pakistani something ??? "did nothing, just came in" (c)
      1. +3
        17 November 2019 13: 30
        They play the role of the scarecrow, Pakistan plays, Russia has the USA, the USA has Russia and China ... they scare each other, but they’re cutting money .... hi
  8. +20
    17 November 2019 08: 43
    The "civilized" sale of their devices to India seems to have started with the purchase of Indian media and employees of the participating ministries. laughing
    1. -2
      17 November 2019 11: 18
      So this is where international trade begins. Our learn to ..
      1. +2
        17 November 2019 14: 31
        Do not underestimate ours. laughing They will not act so bluntly. But from this the effectiveness of their actions will not decrease, but even vice versa. hi
  9. +2
    17 November 2019 08: 49
    while intercepting the Rafale will require two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

    Well, now the United States and France will also find out who is cooler. Well done, the Indians drove a peg between them, and they themselves will observe from the side!
    1. -10
      17 November 2019 12: 49
      Ahgaa, only wedges 17 are worth something there! Wait a minute ...
  10. +2
    17 November 2019 08: 54
    French fighters can fly five sorties a day, and Russian fighters can fly three.

    Why are they flying with weights? Are they tired very much?
    good joke in the morning laughing
  11. +3
    17 November 2019 08: 55
    long barrage of French aircraft 1,5 times higher than the Su-30MKI.

    Yeah with 3 me PTB weighing 6.7 tons. This superiority is far-fetched. Arms take less. Speed, maneuverability worse. Missiles and radar can be
    1. +10
      17 November 2019 09: 02
      And the question still arises with BrahMos. Rafal will not pull him, and the combat load will be less. I am silent about the fact that these are completely different in class and purpose aircraft.
  12. +7
    17 November 2019 09: 02
    They do not write anything new.
    Just see how it goes on.
    1. +7
      17 November 2019 09: 31
      Quote: rocket757
      They do not write anything new.
      Just see how it goes on.

      Yes, Viktor’s articles about Hindus are already tired of it. They want it, they don’t want to .. Pakistan with them is in the liver! negative The West, I think, will be very happy. When the massacre begins .. And the Indians do not shoot and take off, except for Russian military equipment .. Here will be a joke then he he
      In Argentina it was! hi
      1. +6
        17 November 2019 09: 33
        Someone else's showdown for arms sellers like manna from heaven.
        This is life.
        1. +5
          17 November 2019 11: 24
          Quote: rocket757
          Someone else's showdown for arms sellers like manna from heaven.
          This is life.

          War mother is native, which is happening in the Middle East ..
          Russia is trying to extinguish all this, but alas, the Jews put their eyes on Syrian oil with the help of the USA! Everything will be more complicated here hi
  13. +1
    17 November 2019 09: 04
    Verbal-diarrheal interventions. Someone has welded up on kickbacks under this contract, now, by explicit procedure, justifies the need for this contract. Plain paid article for internal use in India. Why are we publishing it?
  14. -2
    17 November 2019 09: 07
    Wait and see. There will still be meetings with Pak. Then everything will become clear. In the meantime, talk about nothing. Each sandpiper praises its swamp. feel
  15. +2
    17 November 2019 09: 12
    Ancient Indian dances by modern technology continue and it seems they will be eternal.
  16. -1
    17 November 2019 09: 23
    Yeah .. These gypsies have something else to tell .. For a penny-choke. Greedy and unpredictable. Worse than some neighbors
  17. 0
    17 November 2019 09: 28
    Did they express an official opinion on this issue, or just how much in vain did they spoil the air?
  18. +1
    17 November 2019 09: 31
    Why are you, the Indians said, in such uniforms as the SU-30 MKI, now they are not fighting. We need such ones as Rafal, double-breasted, with ryushechkami around the turbine and to the collar of the pilot rack.
    And if they, with Rafaley, blow off dust particles and fly only in parades ... in general, it was smooth on the contract paper ...
  19. +2
    17 November 2019 09: 33
    First of all, Delhi needs the advanced technology of the French car. For example, the "compact" RBE2 radar with active phased array, which the Indians would like to install on their promising AMCA fighter, as well as Tejas MkII aircraft. laughing laughing
    1. +9
      17 November 2019 12: 44
      Quote: E.E. NECHAEV, K.S. DERYABIN (based on open press materials)
      The main performance characteristics of radar RBE-2AA:
      Frequency range: 8-12 GHz (X-band).
      Range of detection of air targets with EPR = 5m2: 160 km in front
      hemisphere.

      RBE2 radar with an active PAR in detection range does not have outstanding characteristics, maybe it’s only compact in somethingbut not in everything.
      1. 0
        17 November 2019 18: 39
        Quote: Something
        Detection range of air targets with EPR = 5m2: 160 km in front
        hemisphere.
        5m2 and visually, probably, you can ... maybe 0,5?
    2. D16
      +2
      17 November 2019 14: 04
      And how will this radar from Rafaley move to Teijas? The French sold the planes, not the RBE2 production license.
  20. +4
    17 November 2019 09: 37
    It smells more like a fake. range for flights SU30MKI 3000km (1500 combat radius), Rafaelka Combat radius (in the version of fighter-interceptor) - 1093 km; Combat radius - 1800 km
    1) Maximum load:
    Rafaelka - 9500 kg;
    Drying - 8000kg
    (“RAFALE ANNOUNCED THAT 9,5 TONS ON SU - TRADITIONALLY 8, BUT THERE IS NOT COMPARISON BATTLE EFFICIENCY. SU-30MKY VERY WIDE ROCKET SET, TAKE PLACE ABOUT THE KILLERS,” UECA JANUES FRANCE THE KILLER'S WEAPON MAKES THE MAXIMUM GIVES 400 KM, ”THE EXPERTS NOTED.)
    2) Maximum speed:
    Rafaelka - 1900
    Drying - 2400

    so that’s not the point)) either fake or other reasons and try to disguise.
    1. -2
      17 November 2019 13: 40
      Dear, to get an approximate combat radius, the flight range is divided by 3! Remember at least that ...
  21. -8
    17 November 2019 09: 40
    Pakistan has a very successful Chinese fighter that has already shot down an Indian plane ...
  22. +2
    17 November 2019 09: 44
    I wonder what size the kickback was given to the Gypsies by the French, sorry Indians
  23. +2
    17 November 2019 09: 49
    The combat radius at Sushka is 400-550 km ??? And the ability to perform a maximum of 3 b / departures per day is what they gave out with an interruption ??? A completely dyatsky ratio in the interceptions of the Su-30-F-16-Rafal - what the hell ??? Is there this Hindu writer to aviation at least has something to do ???
    1. 0
      17 November 2019 10: 39
      As for the number of sorties, it’s simple: you have to pour a lot more fuel in Su, you have to pour it in buckets, you need a lot more time! ... and there are more weapons suspension points too, until you hang everything up and the assortment of weapons is bigger too, until you know what you need and generally at the warehouse they will assemble everything! For the whole time it’s leaving, the roofing felts of Rafal are just a little bit here and it’s faster laughing
  24. +5
    17 November 2019 09: 57
    In India, they talked about the superiority of the French Rafale over the Russian Su-30MKI

    While it is known for certain that Rafale is superior to the Su-30MKI in Price, everything else given in the article is doubtful, it was not in vain that the Hindus decided to modernize the entire Su-30MKI fleet, rather than buying further Rafale!
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  26. +2
    17 November 2019 10: 02
    Information for reflection
  27. -12
    17 November 2019 10: 13
    Our fighters will lose aerial battles due to poor avionics ... but there is no avionics because the industry is led by awesome philologists who believe that mathematics are not needed! And there are no mathematicians, so there is no science!
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      1. -9
        17 November 2019 10: 49
        Og, here recently even the SU-35 was recognized by the Katay panel ... I greased my ears with oil ... the noodles are not hung
        1. +2
          17 November 2019 11: 22
          Saboteur, and Katay hde this? bully
    2. +4
      17 November 2019 12: 24
      Doesn’t we have avionics? Have you ever been in the cockpit of a modern fighter at least once, that something tells me you weren’t ...
      1. -8
        17 November 2019 12: 36
        Yes, there was, for example, in the SU-35 the panel is completely Chinese ... Gee
        1. 0
          21 November 2019 22: 21
          Quote: Diversant Holuy
          Yes, there was, for example, in the SU-35 the panel is completely Chinese ... Gee


          I figured it out, it’s a network sadomasochist, it rushes from dislikes. Do not respond to it, do not let the disease progress. Without cons, he will die, do not react to him at all. Not minus not plus. Who does not believe me, go into it, and read his comments. They are all masochistic.
    3. D16
      +2
      17 November 2019 14: 17
      Our fighters will lose aerial combat due to poor avionics ...

      On the Su-30MKI stands a hodgepodge mainly from Israel.
      1. -4
        17 November 2019 15: 53
        if it’s already good from Israel, even though you have reassured me ... But our avionics is generally terrifying ... and never mind!
        1. D16
          0
          17 November 2019 15: 54
          Are you an active pilot of the aerospace forces?
          1. -4
            17 November 2019 15: 55
            God had mercy ... and hto came up with the videoconferencing ... sounds awful ... the Air Force must be returned ...
            1. D16
              -1
              17 November 2019 15: 58
              Then on what basis are such categorical conclusions about avionics?
              SU-35 identified Katay panel

              Where is the droushka?
          2. +2
            18 November 2019 14: 21
            Are you an active pilot of the aerospace forces?

            He is not a mathematician laughing belay
            1. D16
              0
              18 November 2019 15: 08
              Well, this fundamentally changes the matter. Mathematicians, they all rummage in avionics laughing .
              1. +2
                18 November 2019 18: 29
                Mathematicians, they all rummage in avionics

                SUCH mathematicians rummage in everything ... except mathematics belay wassat
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  29. +3
    17 November 2019 10: 39
    Does it cost 218 million dollars for one plane? Tin is simple)
  30. +5
    17 November 2019 10: 48
    I wonder what percentage of the rollback was allocated to pay for this and similar opuses? laughing
  31. +2
    17 November 2019 10: 54
    To equip Pakistanis instead of Hindus and in practice everything will become clear.
  32. 0
    17 November 2019 10: 54
    -Well, where is the real universally recognized performance data of these Rafale and our Su-30MKI ...
    -It would immediately bring this data ...
    -And then, why is it all so "worried" about India, that, they say, how she miscalculated and suffered losses ... -It's a vain "worry" ... -All these losses (as always) Russia will compensate for its constant concessions when selling any Russian weapons to India ... -So ...- it's not worth "worrying" about India ...- she will always take her own and make up for ... -through Russian supplies ...
  33. +2
    17 November 2019 10: 58
    I can tell a lot of things, but dances to dance like Indians, well, I just can’t. One can see the cut of banknotes among the Indians also in trend. fool lol fellow
  34. +2
    17 November 2019 11: 00
    Interestingly, how do we provide up to 8 sorties per flight in the Air Force? It turns out that more than 3 lower levels ... And if you fly 1000 km to the line of combat use (interception) and another 500, how many sorties, for example, 6 hours of daylight time, can the same board make? How did the dark-skinned dancers consider this ???
    PySy. Banderzyanam, subordinates and sheep who do not think in combat aviation, this post can also be omitted, like my post above wassat
    Negative - this is also your great deliberation! laughing laughing laughing
  35. -2
    17 November 2019 11: 14
    Yes, it is understandable. I regularly hear from my wife about all kinds of shoes ... Well, why not just say that the left heel wanted to ?! And there and there - the truth
  36. +2
    17 November 2019 11: 28
    as in a joke how many downs are needed to screw in a light bulb or how many Indians are needed to intercept f-16.
  37. -2
    17 November 2019 11: 38
    Quote: K-612-O
    And the question still arises with BrahMos. Rafal will not pull him, and the combat load will be less. I am silent about the fact that these are completely different in class and purpose aircraft.

    Will pull, but not standard, but a shortened "Brahmos-NG". In quantity, EMNIP of one piece
  38. vmo
    0
    17 November 2019 12: 06
    Actions like in Indian cinema, no brains, no good, one stupid song, hiccups the poor, and again resort to the Russians.
  39. +3
    17 November 2019 12: 11
    Rzhu nimagu. The Indian who painted this nonsense, can he read? And the presence of the Internet is desirable - you go to Wikipedia and compare the performance characteristics of "drying" and "raphal". And voila - you are a complete imbecile
  40. +4
    17 November 2019 12: 12
    They took and came up with fake characteristics to justify the purchase of new "toys for their kids."
  41. +3
    17 November 2019 12: 21
    And why on the photo there are no three hanging tanks ... range is more yes? And on Drying there are no hanging tanks there are rockets .. Rafal flying tank ...
    1. 0
      17 November 2019 12: 50
      .Rafal flying tank ...

      In fact of the matter. The Frenchman takes half the fuel without tanks.
      Honestly, I’m looking at the photo and I don’t understand where it is possible to place at least a couple of tons of fuel there?
  42. +1
    17 November 2019 12: 36
    We need to learn what and how to write in the press when the technical characteristics of machines are available on the network in large print.
    I have never seen such a shame in my life. It is necessary to double the price of the Su-30 and until they pay in gold reserves on the threshold of not letting them go.
  43. +2
    17 November 2019 12: 48
    The flight range of Rafale is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI

    Che get on us vparivayut.
    Suzogo's range is more than a thousand in any situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-30#Technical characteristics
    And the range of Rafal is approximately the same, but with hanging tanks. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Technical characteristics
    But Sukhoi is almost twice as large as the French underservice. Empty weight is 18 tons versus 10 for a Frenchman. The maximum take-off weight of the Frenchman is 24,5 tons (i.e. +14,5 to the empty weight), Sukhoi has a maximum take-off weight of 34,5 tons (+16,5 to the empty weight). But Sukhoi still has its ultimate take-off mass. And this is 38,8 tons.
    Where are the benefits of a frenchman? What are they?
  44. +1
    17 November 2019 12: 53
    The newspaper claim is a convincing statement
  45. +2
    17 November 2019 13: 16
    Some kind of nonsense, the practical range of the SU-30MKI is 3000km, with a refueling of 5200km!
  46. +3
    17 November 2019 13: 27
    Big contract, big rollback. Well, paper can stand it. Nothing new in this moonlit world.
  47. CSF
    0
    17 November 2019 13: 31
    "The newspaper claims that the ability of long-term patrolling of French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than that of the Su-30MKI. The Rafale's flight range is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, against 400-550 km for the Su-30MKI."

    Range of flight Su-30MKI:
    at the ground: 1270 km
    at the height of: 3000 km
    combat radius: 1500 km

    Thanks to "superior American-origin radars and missiles," intercepting one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while intercepting a Rafale would require two F-16 Fighting Falcon.

    Apples and uncle in Kiev.
  48. +1
    17 November 2019 13: 35
    sincere nonsense. Here are the characteristics of the SU-30 Range:
    at the ground: 1270 km
    at the height of: 3000 km
    combat radius: 1500 km. The maximum radius of the Su-30 in 4000km! against 2000km at Raphael. The armament of the Su-30 is also diverse and incorporates a missile with a range of 400 km versus 150 km from Rafal.
  49. +3
    17 November 2019 13: 43
    An Indian sits on a plane, and he says to him in a human voice: "You sit here quietly, and I'll do everything myself")
  50. +1
    17 November 2019 14: 44
    We would also compare it with the Su27 .... and some kind of hat with the loitering time. Otherwise, it looks like the truth. Rafale was created later, in fact, the 5th generation in the 4th building. It is more correct to compare with the Su35S. And "Brahmos" Rafal will not raise Indian pride.
  51. +1
    17 November 2019 15: 05
    2005: The Indian Air Force Su-30MKI showed superiority over the US Air Force F-16 and F-15 C/D Eagle in training battles in the skies over India
    Have they forgotten how to fly?
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  53. +4
    17 November 2019 16: 04
    Ordinary corruption. The responsible Hindu got on his paw and made a decision that was harmful to India, which could cost her dearly. There are traitors everywhere.
  54. +1
    17 November 2019 16: 37
    The Rafale just has better avionics. That's the whole secret
  55. +4
    17 November 2019 16: 52
    "The newspaper claims that the long-term loitering capability of French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than that of the Su-30MKI."
    The young Indian was able to turn everything inside out.
    Instead of saying that Raphael is almost 1.5 times slower.
    Those. he will not slowly trudge into a given area, but he will “loiter” there)
    The Indians need to sell the maize trucks, it turns out that they are no faster than fighters, but they need looters.
    It's like a twisted joke about a taxi driver: - "dear Indian, you need to fly or you'll end up in trouble"
  56. +2
    17 November 2019 17: 06
    intercepting one Pakistani F-16 Fighting Falcon requires two Indian Su-30MKIs, while intercepting a Rafale will require two F-16 Fighting Falcons.

    It looks like someone is confusing soft with warm and misleading others...
  57. 0
    17 November 2019 17: 39
    Yes, let them take it away from the Pakistanis, it’s not a pity... Now, when it comes to the Chinese, with whom they also have very serious territorial disputes, the Indians will be truly saddened that they purchased the Rafale. And what they wrote in their newspaper is real exculpatory nonsense. Corruption is everywhere. In India - even more so...
  58. +1
    17 November 2019 17: 57
    For the curious ...
    I typed “Rafale vs SU-30MKI” on Google. I received an answer. The translation was done through Google, without editing (don’t hurt me...)
    https://aviatia.net/rafale-vs-su-30mki/
    “Both aircraft are quite similar in terms of usage, perhaps a slight advantage for the Rafale due to better AAM missiles, even the Su-30MKI has better technology and performance...
    “The advantage of the Rafale is getting bigger with each new update, the French fighters are looking to improve technology and avionics, and are also planning to use weapons similar to the Su-30 MKI, such as the AAM and AAG missiles of the Indian company DRDO...
    The Rafale has a better thrust to weight ratio and a slightly better economic factor, but it is also twice as expensive... Both aircraft are excellent, and in combat the main factor will be the experience of the pilot or ground support...
    From another comparison:
    https://www.quora.com/Which-one-is-better-the-Dassault-Rafale-or-the-Sukhoi-30MKi
    “In air combat, I am sure that the Su30MKI is superior. Red flag exercises between the USAF and IAF demonstrate this.
    The size differences mean this: in battle, the BVR Raphael is much smaller than the Sukhoi, making it harder to detect, block, and maintain blocking. Although smaller, it has a smaller, less capable radar and fewer missiles than the Sukhoi.
    When fighting WVR, Sukhoi is naturally more agile. It is true that Rafael and Typhoon gliders use less energy during extreme maneuvers, but this does not mean that they are more maneuverable.
    “..A more energy efficient fighter can exploit its advantage by maneuvering in a vertical panel, looping up and down. This is called energy struggle. A plane with less energy will not be able to do this.
    However, this is not necessary in the case of the Su30 because it is “super-maneuverable,” meaning it can point the nose in almost any direction using 5,4D vector thrust, which is not dependent on sufficient airspeed. Conventional combat air patrol missions only require the fuselage tanks to be filled with 5 tons of fuel, resulting in XNUMX hours of flight time.
    However, if fully loaded Su30s were jumped, they only have the option of dumping excess fuel in the process. And will have limited ability to evade missiles at the same time.
    “...However, by focusing on each aircraft's ability to attack ground targets, Raphael is superior due to its avionics. Targeting and delivery systems. Ability to exchange data with other aircraft. What makes it better in my opinion.
    The Su30MKI can deliver more ammunition, but must get closer to the target.
  59. +3
    17 November 2019 18: 02
    Indian cinema: The Tale of Rama and Brahma, an endless series...Bollywood is working...
  60. +2
    17 November 2019 18: 10
    Five flights of the paddling pool, but ours is three? This is some kind of nonsense that is hard to “digest”
  61. +2
    17 November 2019 18: 18
    It's not even funny anymore. How they routinely lower the price... If only they could come up with something new!
    PS At one time (thankfully in the past :)) I had to deal with “Indian partners”. Frankly, I haven’t seen any worse uh...however I put it in my mother’s way :), “partners”. Today to conclude an agreement and tomorrow to change the terms of the deal is in the order of things. Brrr...
  62. 0
    17 November 2019 18: 30
    "Let's go there, let's go here, let's go komon..." J. Friske.
  63. 0
    17 November 2019 19: 02
    Only a real battle, and then with a bunch of variables on which the pilots depend, will show which plane is better. And everything else is marketing and trolling.
  64. 0
    17 November 2019 21: 54
    Well, if they need planes to “loiter for a long time”... Maybe we should sell them balloons?
  65. 0
    17 November 2019 22: 25
    The Indians needed a plane that behaves in flight like an elephant. It flies straight, smoothly, leisurely. So we got what we wanted.
  66. +1
    17 November 2019 22: 45
    Cool article, thanks! Yes, Indians are all like that! I just haven't seen others. They really don't understand equality, someone has to be the boss. Either you or him. And regardless of the situation. They call their behavior described in the article the art of bargaining! Damn, if I were Russia, I would have already signed a contract with Pakistan for the supply of those aircraft and let the Indians enjoy the benefits of the French Rafale!
  67. 0
    18 November 2019 05: 05
    Each country has its own mafia, sorry, lobby!!! Especially when it's a lot of money.
  68. -2
    18 November 2019 05: 44
    By the way, the Russians can also take an example from their Chinese comrades and do reverse engineering (a joke!?).
    And this is no joke:
    VR Technologies, a subsidiary of Russian Helicopters, selected Pratt & Whitney PW207V gas turbine engines to power its VRT500 light helicopters at the 2019 Dubai Air Show.
    PW207V is an improved modification of the PW200 family engines with power up to 700 hp, designed for light helicopters.
    “Russian Helicopters has a successful experience of cooperation with Pratt & Whitney Canada, and I am confident that the VRT500 project will strengthen the partnership between the companies,” said Andrey Boginsky, General Director of the Russian Helicopters holding company.
    For installation on a VRT500 helicopter, the PW207V must be adapted to power a single-engine helicopter with the appropriate amendment to the Type Certificate.
    The VRT500 is a light single-engine helicopter with a coaxial propeller design and a take-off weight of 1650 kg. The helicopter has the most spacious transport and cargo cabin in its class with capacity for up to 5 passengers and is equipped with the most modern interactive avionics package. Thanks to the implemented design solutions, this helicopter will be able to reach speeds of up to 250 km/h, have a flight range of up to 860 km and carry up to 730 kg of payload on board. The helicopter is designed in the following configurations: passenger, utility, cargo, training, VIP and EMS.
  69. 0
    18 November 2019 06: 19
    They are not yet old enough to compare a banal French fighter with a full-fledged Russian sea-based aerospace aircraft
  70. 0
    18 November 2019 07: 43
    Exactly. Indians don’t need cheap prices - the kickback is small. We need to sell Dry to Pakistan...
  71. 0
    18 November 2019 08: 23
    the long-term loitering ability of French aircraft is 1,5 times higher than that of the Su-30MKI. The Rafale's flight range is from 780 to 1 thousand 55 km, versus 400–550 km for the Su-30MKI.


    This is already part of psychiatry. In principle, small cars do not differ in anything, but in terms of range.
  72. +1
    18 November 2019 08: 24
    I don't see the point in this whole squabble! India, a sovereign country, can use its own money to buy even the Wright brothers' planes at the price of "intergalactic cruisers", the money belongs to them. They are the same embezzlers as we are; they must somehow justify the expenditure of budget funds. A typical "scam of suckers" and nothing more. In short, screw them. You need to strengthen your army.
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  74. 0
    18 November 2019 11: 59
    They got me excited! I looked through a bunch of information on the Internet, and did not find such a blatant superiority. With a fine calculation, Sushka even wins. Maybe it’s not the plane, but the stuffed animal occupying the pilot’s seat that is to blame for the lag? Although, more precisely - business, and nothing personal!
  75. -1
    18 November 2019 12: 46
    Well, what can I say! Indians always buy the best....so RUSSIAN designers have something to think about!
    1. 0
      18 November 2019 13: 18
      Quote: Vanya Tikhy
      Well, what can I say! Indians always buy the best....so RUSSIAN designers have something to think about!

      Our designers always have something to think about, because that’s what designers do!!!
      But you definitely didn’t bother to “think” before talking such nonsense!!!

      shl
      You smack of independence, although maybe the arrogant Saxon hired in their infotrolls...
  76. +1
    18 November 2019 13: 43
    I don’t remember any fighters flying across the Atlantic without refueling, except for our Su-30s to participate in the air show in Chile. Indians are big fans of kickbacks, so they bought their planes from the paddling pools.
  77. 0
    18 November 2019 15: 13
    An agreement worth 7,87 billion euros......that's what the article made fun of,
    1. Rafik is against drying as a dachshund against a once bred wolfhound, which will tear these dachshunds in batches, in the entire range of air battles, according to the performance characteristics of the devices provided by the manufacturer, Rafik has no chance,
    at the expense of Mochilov from above on the ground... the Indians decided to step on the same rake as Saddam once, who bought the Roland air defense system from the French, not one worked in two wars because the frequencies of the striped radar and co were known and also the codes of “their own” alien" too, but the radar is not compatible with secular complexes, in short it turned out to be rubbish and expensive, in fights with Pakistan it’s unlikely that anything will change, Uncle Sam’s hat sticks out behind Pakistan, and Uncle Sam likes to bend his “allies” when necessary
    To summarize, out of the 1 billion poor population of India, a couple of dozen families of various rajahs had the opportunity to have a wonderful tour of fashion boutiques in France for free. that's the whole Rafal project
    ours shouldn’t rip out the navel, they don’t want Sushki, don’t, after the next corruption scandal they’ll crawl back with hugs
  78. 0
    18 November 2019 15: 19
    $262 million for the plane is a very profitable deal for the French. And to the Indian officials who received the cost of the SU-30 30 times their pocket
  79. 0
    18 November 2019 18: 13
    Now the Americans will tremble when they meet the Raphaels))) And if there are not twice as many of them, then we must run away....laugh)))
  80. 0
    18 November 2019 18: 34
    “The Russian plane has only one advantage - it is cheaper” - was this a secret?
  81. +1
    18 November 2019 19: 29
    The world has really gone crazy. So you take it and just write whatever you want. Only immediate dismissal for fakes can somehow save the situation. He lied - go and carry bricks at an Indian construction site. Or Washington.
  82. 0
    18 November 2019 20: 36
    Quote: alstr
    Something I will not catch up. Take WIKI:

    Unfortunately, the wiki is not an authority here, but where to get real numbers, for example, for combat radius, is unfortunately unknown, perhaps they are classified.
    "Maximum or ferry is the greatest distance that an aircraft can travel in one direction, at the best speed and with the fuel tanks (including outboard ones) as full as possible."
    And this is 3000 km (According to Wiki)
    The combat radius means it took off (with an ammunition), flew (not always in a straight line, even so - always not in a straight line), maneuvered (in afterburner), destroyed, maneuvered (in afterburner), returned (with part of the ammunition).
    but then the combat radius certainly cannot be 1500 km (half of the practical range), well, that is, absolutely not.
    500 km is a very realistic figure.
    compare with wiki data about SU-37
    "Flight range: 4000 km
    Combat radius: 800 km"
    They are more real
  83. -1
    18 November 2019 23: 32
    The usual policy of India, which all the time buys some weapons from Russia, some from the West, everything else is the usual chatter and nothing more, designed for the local population, to whom they are trying to explain the purpose of purchasing expensive French aircraft... The ability of Rafales to fly is often questionable, since French equipment, for example Leclerc tanks, require a long time to set up the fire control system and surveillance systems before battle...
  84. +1
    18 November 2019 23: 45
    Rafales are superior to Russian aircraft in many respects, the Indians said and asked Russia not to sell Russian aircraft to Pakistan, otherwise they will use them to kill all Indian Rafales.
  85. 0
    19 November 2019 12: 53
    The market works better than any propaganda.
  86. 0
    20 November 2019 01: 10
    Since Garuda-IV, Russian fighters designed specifically for India have emerged victorious in battles with Rafales by varying margins. Looking ahead, let’s say that the “Americans” F-15 and F-16 suffered even more from this fighter in various exercises, including the Indo-American Cope. There are cases when the victory was won dry with a score of 10:0, 12:0.
    As a result, the Su-30MKI, piloted by Indian pilots, proved its overwhelming superiority in various training battles over the American F-15, F-16, F/A-18, as well as over the European Typhoon fighter. So the results of training battles between the Su-30MKI and Rafale are quite predictable. In Syria, a version of the Su-30cm is used, which has fully confirmed its characteristics.
    It is no coincidence that this aircraft, created at the Sukhoi Design Bureau, has gained great popularity on the international market. It is now being produced in large series. To date, almost 700 machines of various modifications have been produced, which are used not only in Russia, but also in India, Vietnam, Algeria, Angola, Venezuela, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, China, Malaysia, Uganda..
  87. 0
    21 November 2019 12: 32
    One thing is clear: the struggle in the arms market is intensifying!
    Apparently, until the time comes to fight in a “hot” war to demonstrate whose planes and tanks are better.
    And as usual, it’s not so much the best planes and tanks that will win, but the best policy...
    Which will tell us the “truth”, whose weapon was the best.
  88. 0
    8 December 2019 22: 52
    Recently, the Indians wrote that the locators of their Su-30MKI reliably monitor the Chinese J-20 stealth fighters, but for some reason they remain silent about the similar abilities of the “super-Rafales”.....
  89. 0
    15 December 2019 09: 30
    The wrong country was called Israel and the wrong people were called Jews
  90. 0
    31 January 2020 18: 53
    The Indians were offended .... they were given the T-50 with an old radar and a single-circuit engine .... now a mosquito in the hands ... better than a tit in the sky .... Nu - Nu ...
  91. 0
    3 February 2020 09: 57
    Chicken in the nest, egg in the pussy, but is that even better? You will first receive at least one so that you have something to compare with.
    1. 0
      3 February 2020 14: 19
      Ha, the terms of the contract are either all for 7+ billion, or none, and indeed, as has already been noted here, French Boutiques will be more interesting than ours, and even at such expenses.
      PS and it seems that in India there is a problem with the number of good pilots, there are only 44 of them, and there is no way to find 150-200 Su-30 or F16 pilots, as the MiG-21 pilot clearly showed, but that’s another story.