Russian Foreign Ministry denied the agreement on the return of ships to Kiev before the summit

Russian Foreign Ministry denied the agreement on the return of ships to Kiev before the summit

The possible transfer to Ukraine of boats and a tugboat detained in the Kerch Strait is in no way connected with the upcoming meeting of the "Norman squad" in December 9, this proposal was made a long time ago, but in Kiev they are in no hurry to pick up the ships. This was reported by Interfax with reference to a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry.


As explained in the Russian foreign ministry, the transfer to the Ukrainian side of the boats “Berdyansk” and “Nikopol”, as well as the tugboat “Yana Kapu”, detained during a provocation in the Kerch Strait, has nothing to do with the upcoming Norman Four summit. The proposal to Kiev that Ukraine could pick up the ships at any time was made a long time ago and for this the Ukrainian side needs to fulfill several small conditions, the main of which is the guarantee of the safety of boats and tugboat as material evidence. However, in Kiev, they are in no hurry to fulfill the conditions of Moscow, continuing to speculate on this topic.

Initially, the proposal made to Kiev all this time did not lose its relevance. They can do it at any time.

- stated in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The fact that Russia made a fundamental decision on the transfer of ships to Ukraine, Kommersant wrote. The publication claimed that the Russian tugs of three Ukrainian ships will be displayed at the designated point, where they will be awaited by tugs of the Ukrainian Navy in order to tow either to Odessa or Mariupol. Sources of the newspaper said that the alleged "problematic issue should be resolved before the summit in the" Norman format ", which is scheduled for December 9."
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  1. Dmitry Donskoy 16 November 2019 16: 42 New
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    It is not good for a sea power to be without ships - return the fleet to Ukraine laughing request
    1. Spartanez300 16 November 2019 17: 04 New
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      Some sources write one another, another, it is not clear who to believe, it is necessary to sort out inaccurate messages somehow. Again, if you do not want to take your trash, then do it at your own discretion.
      1. hydrox 16 November 2019 17: 26 New
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        They want to pick it up!
        They do not want to give evidence in writing that the Ukrainian Navy, at its own initiative (or at the initiative of the country's leadership), organized a provocation in violation of the sea border of the Russian Federation. If they signed such papers, then ours could not even take money from them for safekeeping.
        Only thing is that Ukraine still has a trawler and a small tanker or a cargo ship, the fate of which remains unknown.
        1. rocket757 16 November 2019 17: 59 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          They do not want to give evidence in writing that the Ukrainian Navy, at its own initiative (or at the initiative of the country's leadership), organized a provocation violating the sea border of the Russian Federation

          This is most true. An official paper, a confession to sign, this is a siege!
          1. cniza 16 November 2019 18: 06 New
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            If they do not sign, before the end of the investigation and the court verdict, they will not see ships.
            1. rocket757 16 November 2019 18: 09 New
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              If you wait for recognition from Kukuevsky, they’ll drown themselves! Although the tug, still Soviet-built, could hold out longer? However, age and in what hands was in, this is a serious reason did not wait for "release".
              1. cniza 16 November 2019 18: 10 New
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                And for us the extra costs, I think they will bill for storage.
                1. rocket757 16 November 2019 18: 13 New
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                  Quote: cniza
                  And for us the extra costs, I think they will bill for storage.

                  Account, as with a fine parking !!!
                  1. cniza 16 November 2019 18: 31 New
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                    There was information that Ukraine had already sent tugboats to pick up its troughs.
                    1. Piramidon 16 November 2019 19: 21 New
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                      Quote: cniza
                      Passed information

                      Again from Kommersant, or what?
                    2. rocket757 16 November 2019 19: 54 New
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                      Quote: cniza
                      There was information that Ukraine had already sent tugboats to pick up its troughs.

                      If the news has gone, they can sell it and spread it further. There are such media, for the sake of rating / babosiks they will write whatever they want.
                2. Lelek 16 November 2019 19: 25 New
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                  Quote: cniza
                  I think the bill for storage.


                  Well, we (tudy to the swing) are such stubborn "humanists-silver-free" that we can easily give anyone and anything in support of the image, and Kukuyev safely uses it, right there "piling" under our door.
                  1. rocket757 16 November 2019 19: 51 New
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                    Quote: Lelek
                    Kukuev safely uses it, right there "piling" under our door

                    The door to that side is not very open and opens .... but heap a lot, it will completely close.
                    This is not so.
                    1. cniza 16 November 2019 21: 07 New
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                      There is such a thing and we understand it ...
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                  3. Victorio 16 November 2019 21: 04 New
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                    Quote: Lelek
                    Quote: cniza
                    I think the bill for storage.


                    Well, we (tudy to the swing) are such stubborn "humanists-silver-free" that we can easily give anyone and anything in support of the image, and Kukuyev safely uses it, right there "piling" under our door.

                    ===
                    yeah, okay with the sailors - offsetting by mutual exchange, but it’s not clear to the ships, if the rf is in its own right, then what kind of gesture is it of such goodwill, and in the name of what !? it would be better to give the DNI
            2. Piramidon 17 November 2019 15: 14 New
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              Quote: cniza
              If they do not sign, before the end of the investigation and the court verdict, they will not see ships.


              Today they are dragged somewhere.
              https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201911171223-wZgQE.html
          2. Lelek 16 November 2019 19: 18 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            This is most true.

            hi
            It may be so, but why does the “businessman” voice the deliberate misinformation? Such things are punished (at least in the form of a fine). And yet, despite the current situation in the media, I dare to screen with the latest news:

            Although Kaka was a guest of a political show, it’s either good or bad about the dead.
            1. rocket757 16 November 2019 19: 46 New
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              Quote: Lelek
              It may be so, but why does the “businessman” voice the deliberate misinformation? Punishment for such things

              Such newspapers know how to cheat, if anything, all the more they know how to spoil and not fit into the article ... their advisers are cunning.
            2. Obstacle 16 November 2019 19: 53 New
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              “About the dead either good or nothing but the truth”
              1. Lelek 16 November 2019 19: 54 New
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                Quote: Obstacle
                About the dead, either good or nothing but the truth

                hi
                Also an option. Thank.
      2. tol100v 16 November 2019 18: 04 New
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        Quote: Spartanez300
        Some sources write one another another,

        And why not just believe, but even listen !? Refund or non refund is one thing, but a summit. it is different. And do not meet in any side!
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      4. Piramidon 16 November 2019 19: 19 New
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        Quote: Spartanez300
        Some sources write one another, another, it is not clear to whom to believe, it is necessary to somehow filter out inaccurate messages

        Well, really believe Kommersant - do not respect yourself. At different times, its owners were Berezovsky, Patarkatsishvili, Usmanov ..., the most "honest" people in the world.
    2. Lexus 16 November 2019 17: 05 New
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      They have a tanker in the navy ... came. Since then ... in general, they are looking for someone to give up

      Svidomo = Sodomy
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    3. 210ox 16 November 2019 17: 05 New
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      But what about the recognition by the "sea power" of their actions in the Kerch Strait as a provocation?
      1. hydrox 16 November 2019 17: 30 New
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        What do you mean!
        They can and can skoda, but bear responsibility for the Skoda - in the country, such concepts have completely lost in 30 years ...
    4. Svarog 16 November 2019 17: 21 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
      It is not good for a sea power to be without ships - return the fleet to Ukraine laughing request

      Why return the trophies when the “Berlin” has not yet fallen?
      1. ltc35 16 November 2019 17: 25 New
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        But who needs these troughs? Cut into metal or let them cut it themselves.
        1. Svarog 16 November 2019 17: 40 New
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          Quote: ltc35
          But who needs these troughs? Cut into metal or let them cut it themselves.

          The value of the trophy is not in money .. but in edification .. hi
        2. hydrox 16 November 2019 17: 45 New
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          You can not.
          On the one hand, these are material evidence and their transfer should be carried out according to the procedure of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, and on the other hand, what kind of foolishness decided that at the summit of the Norman format issues will be discussed that are not related to LDNR in the framework of the Minsk agreements?
          Such a violation of the Summit Protocol is worthy of hitting a stupid head with a stool for not knowing the iron rules of diplomatic etiquette ... laughing
          1. LiSiCyn 16 November 2019 18: 17 New
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            In Russian spring, they wrote that the tugboats Titan and Gaydamak, as well as the search and rescue ship Sapphire, left Odessa for boats and a tugboat. Which the Russian side is already towing towards Odessa. The transfer will take place at night, in the vicinity of Cape Tarhankut of the Crimea.
            1. Rusland 16 November 2019 18: 33 New
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              Greetings Stas hi all this
              sensible and logical. yes Also, all sorts of holes there before it to close up, from the temptation of all. yes
              1. LiSiCyn 16 November 2019 18: 51 New
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                Hi Vitaliy hi
                Quote: Rusland
                Also, all sorts of holes there before that

                From the AK-630 and latrine? wink
                How's the weather ? We are still warm. And the pike is on strike. Actually this year, it’s not a crop. Even boasts nothing. request
                1. Rusland 16 November 2019 19: 32 New
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                  He is also on strike now, as in the summer, next week the frost will hit. The water level in the bays is large, everything is in the reeds. drinks
            2. hydrox 16 November 2019 19: 32 New
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              Reasonable action: to any rush, once again crawl out onto the format with all sorts of nonsense that spoil the mood and knock down the grandmother from the right "telephone" mood, and who SHOULD be engaged ONLY in Donbass and ONLY under the Minsk agreements
            3. Antares 16 November 2019 22: 09 New
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              Quote: LiSiCyn
              In Russian spring, they wrote that the tugboats Titan and Gaydamak, as well as the search and rescue ship Sapphire, left Odessa for boats and a tugboat. Which the Russian side is already towing towards Odessa. The transfer will take place at night, in the vicinity of Cape Tarhankut of the Crimea.

              I wrote this in a previous topic (where the Russian Federation gives ships)
              but in this I’ll add
              Marin traffic online
              a pair of tugboats - Russian and Ukrainian, lie in a drift in the area of ​​Cape Tarkhankut
              a couple more Ukrainian on the way
              All 3 of our tugboats are located 16 miles from Cape Tarkhankut (Lighthouse). From Odessa 80 miles
    5. NF68 17 November 2019 16: 32 New
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      [/ quote] [quote = Dmitry Donskoy] It is not good for a sea power to be without ships — return the fleet to Ukraine laughing request


      It’s not worth the GREAT maritime power to be without ships-
  2. cat Rusich 16 November 2019 16: 50 New
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    P. Poroshenko - writes and signs a "sincere" confession of provocation. V. Zelensky submits a petition for the return of 2 (two) boats “Berdyansk” and “Nikopol” and the tugboat “Yana Kapu” personally to V. Putin (together with the recognition of P. Poroshenko). Then you can "think" about the transfer of the seized property.
    1. ul_vitalii 16 November 2019 16: 55 New
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      If the pistols are returned without cartridges, then watercraft are needed without engines. smile
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    3. hydrox 16 November 2019 17: 50 New
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      Great procedure!
      But then it’s no longer “thinking”, but simply transferring and not even taking money for safekeeping of property
  3. Sergey39 16 November 2019 16: 53 New
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    All modern news is like that. You always need to look who filed and for what purpose. Any event can be presented both from a negative and a positive point of view. And how this can be stated in the comments depends on the commentator.
    1. Antares 16 November 2019 17: 13 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      All modern news is like that.

      I agree. Even this article as filed
      Russian Foreign Ministry denied the agreement on the return of ships to Kiev before the summit
      And the article refutes the connection of the summit with the return!
      And in general, they say, they gave it a long time ago, take it. But they don’t want to (they nod to their Ukrainian partners, they say they don’t want something themselves, they don’t comply with the conditions and, in general, the Russian Maritime Tribunal has complied, but Ukraine has done something wrong again)
      Not yet evening.
      Our media (the same as the Russian one who does not have faith that in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine) write that 3 vessels (2 tugboats and a search and rescue Sapphire) have already left our bases and are following the ships to the meeting place.
      Here it is necessary to ask the inhabitants of Kerch - they saw the parking lot, whether the boats left in tow.
      as for ours, they definitely came out.
      But whether there will be a meeting, let's see. The evening is near.
      The author misinterprets MID streamlined phrases!
      The possible transfer to Ukraine of boats and a tugboat detained in the Kerch Strait is in no way connected with the upcoming meeting in the "Norman squad" on December 9, this proposal was made a long time ago, but in Kiev they are in no hurry to pick up the ships. It is reported by Interfax with reference to a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

      from this does not mean that the ships will NOT be transferred here (or maybe the conditions are met or abandoned)
      The connection with the summit was refuted so that it would not seem that under pressure from partners and the Maritime Tribunal they were given.
      So a broad gesture of goodwill. And Kiev is to blame for not having taken it before! They say they gave me ..
      I like our Foreign Ministry .....
      it’s hard to find such liars ... (applies to Ukraine and the Russian Federation)
      1. Andrey Chistyakov 16 November 2019 17: 19 New
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        "it’s hard to find such liars ... (applies to Ukraine and the Russian Federation)"
        Come on. The most "true" BBC and the US media ..
        Even Trump was "tortured to praise them" ...
        1. Antares 16 November 2019 17: 30 New
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          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Come on. The most "true" BBC and the US media ..
          Even Trump "was tortured to praise them" ..

          these are "not our" bourgeois Foreign Ministries .. Their assessment is given by the bourgeois ..
          But ours (or not ours) are in plain sight. And we value them. In the end, they exist for the money of our taxpayers.
          If you lie (roughly. Foreign ministries usually use streamlined phrases), then for the good of the country. And not for HPP!
          1. Andrey Chistyakov 16 November 2019 17: 31 New
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            Quote: Antares
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            Come on. The most "true" BBC and the US media ..
            Even Trump "was tortured to praise them" ..

            these are "not our" bourgeois Foreign Ministries .. Their assessment is given by the bourgeois ..
            But ours (or not ours) are in plain sight. And we value them. In the end, they exist for the money of our taxpayers.
            If you lie (roughly. Foreign ministries usually use streamlined phrases), then for the good of the country. And not for HPP!

            Do not understand? If not our media or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then you can lie ?!
            1. Antares 16 November 2019 18: 08 New
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              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              Do not understand? If not our media or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then you can lie ?!

              Not our media and not our Foreign Ministries, let them discuss Not our citizens (citizens of media countries and Foreign Ministries)
        2. tol100v 16 November 2019 18: 18 New
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          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Come on. The most "true" BBC and the US media ..

          The BBC and other Western media can safely be left alone! But the fact that the State Department, the most deceitful and hypocritical entity on the planet, I agree with that!
          1. Sergey39 16 November 2019 18: 59 New
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            Yes, the Western media and the State Department have lately been more guilty of lying to each other. We are happy.
  4. Nycomed 16 November 2019 16: 59 New
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    And who will pay for the “services” of the penal parking lot, Pushkin or the Pope?
    1. Rusland 16 November 2019 18: 14 New
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      They took diesel fuel, our tugboats will drag them into the sea, while others will drag them in the same Makar, but to America for scrap.
    2. sabakina 16 November 2019 18: 19 New
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      Quote: Nycomed
      And who will pay for the “services” of the penal parking lot, Pushkin or the Pope?

      Inspired by .....
  5. Ravil_Asnafovich 16 November 2019 17: 01 New
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    Do not return, it will again violate the sea border of the Russian Federation.
  6. knn54 16 November 2019 17: 03 New
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    They can drag homeless people for scrap.
  7. Mityay65 16 November 2019 17: 24 New
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    Our Foreign Ministry speaks very weakly in this situation.
    Since 18, Ukraine has been holding 2 Russian ships - the Nord trawler and the Mechanic Pogodin tanker. And the Foreign Ministry at least henna ...
    I don’t hear something about retaliatory actions or threats to use them.
    No clear statements, no exchange offers.
    Nothing at all ... the position is muddy and completely toothless.
  8. janeck 16 November 2019 17: 26 New
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    I think an equivalent exchange will be .. to Odessa.
    1. Nycomed 16 November 2019 17: 55 New
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      You appreciated Odessa cheaply ... no
      1. Mordvin 3 16 November 2019 18: 03 New
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        Quote: Nycomed
        You appreciated Odessa cheaply ... no

        Oh, Odessa, a pearl by the sea ... wink
      2. tol100v 16 November 2019 18: 21 New
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        Quote: Nycomed
        You appreciated Odessa cheaply ...

        Yes, Odessa has not yet said its word!
        1. rich 16 November 2019 19: 22 New
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          Mordvin 3 (Vladimir): Ah, Audeэpiss, a pearl by the sea ... wink

          The city is called - Audeеssa, and no other way
          Odessa, (German: ODESSA "Organization der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen", "Organization of former SS members") is the name of an international Nazi network organization founded after the Second World War by former SS members.
  9. matross 16 November 2019 18: 01 New
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    From our peacefulness and forgiveness already pathologies already. Someone can clearly explain why give these troughs? Why is remelting worse ?? What, as they say, gesheft ?!
  10. rocket757 16 November 2019 18: 01 New
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    An official document, consider recognition, no one is in a hurry to sign them. Who needs such a garden?
  11. Ryaruav 16 November 2019 18: 02 New
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    Sorry, this is not the topic; now I am watching the second film of 28 panfilov’s good for the second time and I have to say this where you found so many Uzbek officers per kilometer of the front, if you didn’t forget the books and read them, the division was easily staffed in Central Asia, but the main contingent is Russian and the officers are 100% and If you served in the Soviet army, you are well informed who is where and who is why I do not need bans
    1. Aviator_ 16 November 2019 18: 11 New
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      Read the Volokolamsk Highway book by Beck. There, it is well written about the Panfilov’s division formed in Kazakhstan. And about her excellent training.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov 16 November 2019 18: 20 New
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        Quote: Aviator_
        Read the Volokolamsk Highway book by Beck. There, it is well written about the Panfilov’s division formed in Kazakhstan. And about her excellent training.

        Good book. I read it several times.
      2. Ryaruav 16 November 2019 20: 26 New
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        comrade aviator there cho (sorry for the slang) Uzbek officers you confirm yes it’s unlikely that I served in Shmaz and my recruitment is Moldova Central Asia and a little Caucasus was at the level of 5th grade of a secondary school and I think that contractors in the brain are right but the rest of the boobies are just necessary to learn how to handle ak-74 and rpg-7 is the foundation, but forgot very bad statistics with grenades rpg-5 and f-1
        1. Aviator_ 16 November 2019 20: 49 New
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          Dear Ruaruav, in the movie "28 Panfilovtsev" we are talking about the Soviet Army in the fall of 1941, what does the AK-74 and RPG-7 have to do with it? I can only agree with you that the conscripts of the late 80's were very different from the conscripts in the 1941 of the year.
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  12. Irek 16 November 2019 18: 28 New
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    Let the parking bill be paid.
  13. Lord of the Sith 16 November 2019 18: 54 New
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    Russian Foreign Ministry denied the agreement on the return of ships to Kiev before the summit


    Of course, there is no need to give the guilty party their fragile little boats to public flogging)
  14. arhitroll 16 November 2019 19: 09 New
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    The dispute between the economic entities of the capitalists ...
    1. Antares 16 November 2019 22: 11 New
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      Quote: arhitroll
      The dispute between the economic entities of the capitalists ...

      the trouble is that we are forced to participate in it, and to hate another subject. (and not even the main ones themselves, but everyone who does not participate in it)
  15. storm 16 November 2019 19: 26 New
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    ships should be returned to Ukraine, but in the person of the DPR, and let Kiev banderlog prove that the DPR is not Ukraine ....
    1. Ryaruav 16 November 2019 20: 39 New
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      assault yes the only way
  16. notingem 16 November 2019 21: 25 New
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    They will return the trough. And they’ll make a discount on gas. They’ll do it all.
  17. Vkd dvk 16 November 2019 22: 40 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Donskoy
    It is not good for a sea power to be without ships - return the fleet to Ukraine laughing request

    Peter 1 was building a boat. Then he took a business trip to Holland to study shipbuilding. And only then....
    Sue can take a business trip to the penguin. Learn to build aircraft carriers there, and THEN ...
    Then he can talk about the Ukrainian fleet.
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      Peter 1 was building a boat

      and Pereyaslavsky fleet?
      and the Azov flotilla?
      it is long before the voyage
      and Russia also had its own school of shipbuilding (river and White Sea northern ice)
      the shipyards of Holland and England (with Saxony’s guns) were seen as a big swing - to enter the ocean and battle with the strongest northern country)
  18. New Year day 17 November 2019 01: 52 New
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    The tugboat Titan has been standing on the yacht of Evpatoria for 4 hours, Sapphire is in the same place. Seeing the transfer of ships to be
  19. Cheerock 17 November 2019 02: 12 New
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    I wouldn’t give it until the Nord returned and another ship that was arrested in Izmail.
  20. Provincial-m 17 November 2019 06: 42 New
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    Who needs these rust troughs? They are cheaper to flood ..
  21. 22 dmdc 17 November 2019 15: 24 New
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    Quote: Lelek
    about the dead either good or nothing.

    “About the dead, either well or nothing but the truth”, is the maxim of the ancient Greek politician and poet Chilo of Sparta (VI century BC), quoted by the historian Diogenes of Laertes (III century AD) in his work “ Life, teachings and opinions of famous philosophers. ”
  22. Looking for 17 November 2019 16: 02 New
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    Ukraine stamped its foot and the "great" Russia slavishly RUNNED. Ugh. Insulting and disgusting.
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    Quote: Antares
    Quote: wkd dvk
    Peter 1 was building a boat

    and Pereyaslavsky fleet?
    and the Azov flotilla?
    it is long before the voyage
    and Russia also had its own school of shipbuilding (river and White Sea northern ice)
    the shipyards of Holland and England (with Saxony’s guns) were seen as a big swing - to enter the ocean and battle with the strongest northern country)

    Seaworthiness
    The newly invented ships were almost flat-bottomed and with their draft not exceeding three meters passed the shallow bar of the Don well. They have proven themselves in the Sea of ​​Azov, in conditions of coastal navigation. However, in the excitement they had poor stability and low seaworthiness, inferior to the Turkish ships and frigates in the open sea.
    Pereyaslavskaya flotilla is a children's toy. The desktop railway for the heir to the throne. And, making sure that their own production of what was suitable for coastal fishing and fishing, was in no way suitable for the Empire.
  24. Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 16: 56 New
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    Quote: Seeker
    Ukraine stamped its foot and the "great" Russia slavishly RUNNED. Ugh. Insulting and disgusting.

    The funniest of all the nasty, Ukraine is trying to stomp someone else's leg.
    It’s like small fry on the street, threatening the bigger boys that complains to his brother. Which the......
  25. Alexey from Perm 18 November 2019 00: 24 New
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    Already lucky to give