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A snapshot of the T-72B3 tank tests with the installed Arena-M KAZ appeared on the Web

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A snapshot of the T-72B3 tank tests with the installed Arena-M KAZ appeared on the Web

Interesting shot tank T-72B3 with installed active defense complex (KAZ) T09-06 ("Arena-M") appeared on the Web. It is assumed that the photo was taken during field tests of the Russian KAZ.


The picture clearly shows the special compartments and the antenna unit of KAZ Arena-M installed outside the tank turret.

Where and when the picture was taken no explanation. It is assumed that the MBT T-72B3 with the installed protection complex is involved in the field tests of the protective system.

Earlier, a similar complex was shown on a demonstration model of the modernized T-72Б3 tank during an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil in 2013 and 2015.

In January 2017, Valery Kashin, general designer of the Engineering Design Bureau Corporation (KBM, Kolomna), announced that the new Arena-M active defense complex (KAZ) would be installed on the T-72 and T-90 tanks and that it was being tested under the personal control of Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Colonel General Oleg Salyukov. In 2018, it was reported that UVZ purchased elements of the KAZ Arena-M for installation on the T-72B3 tank as part of the Perfection-A development work.


It was indicated that KAZ "Arena-M" is a system installed on a combat vehicle, which includes a multifunctional radar station with high noise immunity, detecting targets. Shells are struck by protective ammunition of narrowly targeted action, located around the perimeter of the tank turret in special installation mines.

The system is installed in the bulletproof compartments outside the tank turret and operates in automatic mode, providing double protection in each direction of attack. The system provides radar tracking and destruction of flying targets. The principle of the complex’s operation is to defeat the PTS with a directed stream of heavy fragments during the detonation of a firing striking element when approaching a tank at ranges from 20 to 50m. The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.
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  1. bars1
    bars1 16 November 2019 09: 57 New
    +4
    Good news. If only the Moscow Region would not decide later, “optimize expenses”
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 01 New
      -12
      Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2019 11: 10 New
        +33
        Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.


        What is wrong with the test conditions?

        And why did you decide that KAZ on combat tanks would certainly fail?

        KAZ is expensive, but not more expensive than a tank and the lives of a trained crew.

        KAZ should be put on tanks just in order to save the country’s resources for the construction of tanks and the lives of people who after the war will remain alive and will work for the benefit of their families and countries by paying taxes.

        But without KAZ, tanks in a modern war are just expensive targets !!!

        KAZ is needed by our tankers and as soon as possible and more !!!
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 November 2019 12: 22 New
          +9
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          But without KAZ, tanks in a modern war are just expensive targets !!!

          Quote: bouncyhunter
          then it turns out that KAZ Arena-M will not protect from Javelin?

          For a productive discussion of this topic you need to be a specialist ...
          Unfortunately for us, the topic of KAZ, its true performance characteristics, are most likely secret.
          But, a "trend" in the installation of such systems should be observed, including to protect against anti-tank attacks from above.
          However, despite all the prospects of KAZ, you need to understand that it is only one of the components of the protection of the tank outfits with armor, DZ, means of masking and jamming.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 November 2019 13: 46 New
          -1
          I didn’t decide, but I know how everything that is possible is broken at the landfills) I didn’t say that it should not be installed, but the fact that it is stupid in machines that operate in the tail and mane is stupid. they need to be kept and at the right time to be able to quickly put on.
          1. loki565
            loki565 16 November 2019 15: 26 New
            +3
            this is a question for the operators))) there was a case when grief the soldiers painted the tank along with all the triplexes, sights, etc.)))
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 16 November 2019 17: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I didn’t decide, but I know how everything that is possible is broken at the landfills) I didn’t say that it should not be installed, but the fact that it is stupid in machines that operate in the tail and mane is stupid. they need to be kept and at the right time to be able to quickly put on.

            Once in the parts of the car they were divided into training and combat groups (I'm talking about linear parts), the first - in the tail and mane, the second - only in individual cases. What prevents to put something on combat? Or is everything in the Rosarmy not as it was?
          3. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 17 November 2019 18: 16 New
            0
            In the tail and mane, training machines are usually operated. The rest are in storage, regularly serviced.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 November 2019 10: 05 New
      +9
      The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

      If you take into account that the “Javelin”, when approaching the target from above, “sways” in the range of 30 - 60 degrees across the horizon, then it turns out that KAZ “Arena-M” will not protect from “Javelin”? Who in the subject - explain? request
      1. knn54
        knn54 16 November 2019 10: 18 New
        -4
        I am not special either, but it seems that he is not an adversary to Javelin and Spike.
        I wonder the elevation is a parameter of the radar antenna and / or the ability to "bullets"?
        And, excuse the amateur, isn’t it easier to create an inexpensive, but effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not to “bother” with the next modernization of the ARENA, by the way, very expensive ..
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 November 2019 10: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: knn54
          I wonder the elevation is a parameter of the radar antenna and / or the ability to "bullets"?

          I think that it’s the “bullets”.
          Quote: knn54
          isn’t it easier to create an inexpensive, but effective analogue of the same BUK for protecting a group of tanks and not to “bother” with the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

          This is only a specialist in such systems can tell.
        2. mvg
          mvg 16 November 2019 10: 43 New
          +9
          And how long has Buk knocked down BOPS? Well, or ATGMs? It seems like a competent person. There are 10 tanks, stretched for km, and behind the "beech" and covers everyone .. if only with a laser from Star Wars
          1. knn54
            knn54 16 November 2019 11: 35 New
            +2
            I said ANALOGUE, maybe really. Not an expensive beech.
            Regarding the elongation, a sniper (for example) damages the radar antenna and EVERYTHING ..
            But the BOPS is shot down by “Afganit.” And why then arena
            1. missuris
              missuris 16 November 2019 23: 09 New
              0
              BEECH in comparison with Afganit is very expensive, and in comparison with Arena-M super (*****) which is expensive. Suppose Afghanit costs $ 500000, Arena-M $ 100000. Arena-M intercepts 3rd generation Ptur and manual RPGs.
          2. loki565
            loki565 16 November 2019 15: 34 New
            +2
            usually tanks on the march covers the tunguska. Only the reaction rate should be very large, I doubt that someone will have time to intercept the missile launched from 2 km.
        3. kjhg
          kjhg 16 November 2019 10: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: knn54
          isn’t it easier to create an inexpensive, but / effective analogue of the same BUK for protecting a group of tanks and not to “bother” with the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

          Why Buka? To cover the tanks you need a short-range air defense system with inexpensive missiles. Shooting Buk missiles at planning UAV-Kamikadze is very expensive.
          1. loki565
            loki565 16 November 2019 15: 37 New
            +2
            For this, an armor was created on a caterpillar chassis.
            1. kjhg
              kjhg 16 November 2019 15: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: loki565
              For this, an armor was created on a caterpillar chassis.

              Are you seriously? Firing shell missiles that cost a million rubles at cheap kamikaze drones or planning bombs is super-wasteful. This is the first. Secondly, the Shell cannot shoot on the go. Rather, it can, but can’t get there. Need to make short stops.
              1. loki565
                loki565 16 November 2019 16: 00 New
                +1
                Are you seriously? Firing shell missiles that cost a million rubles at cheap kamikaze drones or planning bombs is super-wasteful. This is the first.

                The shell has the cheapest missiles in its class, derivation can be used, but the percentage of guaranteed shot down, range and height of the defeat will drop sharply. And the cost of the tank is many times greater than any missile.
                Secondly, the Shell cannot shoot on the go. Rather, it can, but it can’t get there. Need to make short stops.

                The shell can fire rockets on the move on any chassis, the cannon armament on a wheeled vehicle sways the car. But on the caterpillar he is quite normal shoot from the move. The shell is essentially a deep modernization of the Tunguska, and it was developed to cover tanks on the march and the forefront.
                1. kjhg
                  kjhg 16 November 2019 16: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: loki565
                  The shell has the cheapest rockets in its class

                  I do not have accurate data, but they used to say that 1 Shell shell costs about 1,5 million rubles. But last year there was information that a simplified missile for the Shell was adopted for service, which is cheaper than the old one for firing at drones. But only now their value was not announced. Do you have information on the cost of this rocket?
              2. sivuch
                sivuch 16 November 2019 16: 37 New
                +2
                And how do you know the cost of Shell rockets? They write that it is noticeably smaller, although also an OBS radio. And the Javelin rocket, too, is by no means cheap
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 53 New
          -2
          tanks without cover, in principle, can’t act.
        5. Igor K
          Igor K 16 November 2019 11: 38 New
          -1
          On the basis of the tank, make a platform for the transport of missile interceptors of tank destroyers with a dual function. The first is to hit anti-tank missiles and RPGs, the second to hit high-explosive anti-tank calculations. Search missiles to do in the IR range, the main thing is to detect the launch.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 16 November 2019 17: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Igor K
            On the basis of the tank, make a platform for the transport of missile interceptors of tank destroyers with a dual function. The first is to hit anti-tank missiles and RPGs, the second to hit high-explosive anti-tank calculations. Search missiles to do in the IR range, the main thing is to detect the launch.

            Right! "Terminator" redo this! good
            1. D16
              D16 16 November 2019 18: 45 New
              +3
              Laughter, laughter, but if you install Derivation on a tank chassis and introduce it into each tank platoon, you get both a Swiss and a reaper, and a dude on the dude, really covering the platoon from all the misfortunes from above on the front line. And the sect of starters omnipotent Jewelin, Hellfayer and Tou would be his favorite food along with what they launch. One trouble. Crews must be taught in air schools, and then in tank ones. I have a poor idea of ​​how to manage all this organizationally.
        6. Observer2014
          Observer2014 16 November 2019 11: 47 New
          0
          Quote: knn54
          I am not special either, but it seems that he is not an adversary to Javelin and Spike.
          I wonder the elevation is a parameter of the radar antenna and / or the ability to "bullets"?
          And, excuse the amateur, isn’t it easier to create an inexpensive, but effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not to “bother” with the next modernization of the ARENA, by the way, very expensive ..

          fool laughing Ha ha ha ha good Is this a military review? belay laughing If this is high here, then all of them crying laughing
        7. figwam
          figwam 16 November 2019 15: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: knn54
          but an effective analogue of the same BUK for protecting a group of tanks and not "messing" over another ARENA modernization

          Analogue SAM BUK ?! Here from this on shells and ATGMs ?! what
        8. Mark9103
          Mark9103 16 November 2019 16: 58 New
          0
          Yes, in principle, the arena is a little outdated because it was created to fire at objects flying directly into the tank. If the radar sees that the rocket "flies by" (well, like a javelin or a spike) then the system will not respond. In addition, the anti-munitions themselves have a very limited coverage area (they cannot fire upwards). The Jewish trophy has a better mechanism, there is something like a small turret from which the ammunition is fired, and it has much wider aiming angles (google it and understand it yourself).
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2019 11: 13 New
        -2
        If you take into account that the “Javelin”, when approaching the target from above, “sways” in the range of 30 - 60 degrees across the horizon, then it turns out that KAZ “Arena-M” will not protect from “Javelin”? Who in the subject - explain? request


        Judging by the photo there is something sticking out in the middle directed upwards, I hope protection from ATGMs attacking from above is also provided.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 16 November 2019 13: 12 New
          +5
          Judging by the photo there is something sticking out in the middle pointing up

          This is something a weather station.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 16 November 2019 13: 07 New
        +3
        then it turns out that KAZ Arena-M will not protect from Javelin? Who in the subject - explain?

        I do not pretend to be in the subject at all, but it just turns out that way.
        The arena is older than this your Javelin. It was designed against the 2nd generation ATGM.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 16 November 2019 22: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: alexmach
          I do not pretend to be in the subject at all, but it just turns out that way.
          The arena is older than this your Javelin. It was designed against the 2nd generation ATGM.

          For starters, you compare the “that” arena with the current one - they apparently have nothing in common, if you hadn’t been told that this is an arena in the photo, you would have thought that it was another KAZ.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 17 November 2019 00: 20 New
            +1
            For starters, you compare the “that” arena with the current one - they apparently have nothing in common, if you hadn’t been told that this is an arena in the photo, you would have thought that it was another KAZ.

            C may be nothing, but the ammunition there is clearly the same ...
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 17 November 2019 12: 15 New
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              C may be nothing, but the ammunition there is clearly the same ...

              This, by the way, is also unknown, moreover, the arena’s ammunition can theoretically be thrown in different directions, which, accordingly, will change the fragment scatter vector. So it’s possible to shoot down a “dart” with a “spike”. The only problem that has so far been carefully abandoning the protection of the upper hemisphere by KAZ is the high probability of damage to devices by flying fragments. But this problem is solved.
    3. Scoun
      Scoun 16 November 2019 10: 14 New
      0
      Quote: bars1
      Good news. If only the Moscow Region would not decide later, “optimize expenses”

      It has already been “optimized”, will not be put on all tanks, only on the advanced ones, so to speak. The scattering of heavy fragments is decent and carries a potential threat to light vehicles and fighters.
      In any case, the military experts are working on the use of new equipment, and here “Armata” with the UAV accompanying it is pretty much changing the tactics of using tanks.
    4. brr1
      brr1 16 November 2019 11: 48 New
      +1

      they say that maybe not we fell
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 16 November 2019 12: 13 New
        -1
        it’s Alko..on loves to lie how to breathe..Turkish tanks from KAZ a month as soon as they entered the battle zone and for some reason rushed to Russia to look at the Arena, and so rushed that no one saw them in Russia except the Alkovsky insider ..
      2. Prahlad
        Prahlad 16 November 2019 12: 56 New
        0
        I’ll believe Cyril faster than buying these systems in our troops.
        1. Artemiy_2
          Artemiy_2 16 November 2019 14: 52 New
          0
          hahaahahah. Believe Latvia more than public procurement contracts)))
          1. Prahlad
            Prahlad 16 November 2019 15: 22 New
            0
            Where are these contracts? Only one photo is not clear where it was made and under what conditions ...
            1. Artemiy_2
              Artemiy_2 16 November 2019 15: 26 New
              +2
              on the government procurement website
              http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/documents.html?regNumber=31806637078
        2. loki565
          loki565 16 November 2019 15: 41 New
          +3
          yeah, the sprat never lies, the campaign will soon again ban its channel)))
      3. PROXOR
        PROXOR 16 November 2019 15: 47 New
        +4
        To draw conclusions based on the couch NEDOanalyst Alkonaftera well this.
    5. Bar2
      Bar2 16 November 2019 11: 50 New
      0
      is it one tank or will there be more?
    6. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 16 November 2019 13: 11 New
      +3
      There, it seems, dynamic protection was replaced by watermelons?
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 16 November 2019 09: 59 New
    0
    This is all wonderful. And not just fine. And wonderful. Are there any results of using KAZ on our tanks in real battles? It is interesting to read this information. KAZ was not invented today. And there was a sea of ​​conflict unfortunately of course. Since 80's.
  3. parkello
    parkello 16 November 2019 10: 02 New
    +4
    why don’t they install an IR sensor to detect an attack from above? and a couple of containers with fired cartridges up ... too expensive?
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 16 November 2019 11: 48 New
      +1
      Yes there is ammunition firing to cover the upper hemisphere in the complex. Take a closer look at the description of the "Arena" M.
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 16 November 2019 11: 57 New
      +2
      He is, we look carefully at the photo ... in the form of a watermelon wassat
    3. loki565
      loki565 16 November 2019 15: 47 New
      0
      Do you think that KAZ detects missiles with an IR sensor?
      1. parkello
        parkello 16 November 2019 17: 21 New
        0
        I somewhere said (wrote) what I think? I asked...
    4. Fff
      Fff 18 November 2019 00: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: parkello
      why don’t they install an IR sensor to detect an attack from above? and a couple of containers with fired cartridges up ... too expensive?

      Even fighters with normal infrared sensors do not even have systems for detecting missile launch on the thermal trail. There, primitive matrices that can only be recognized against the background of the sky, are more difficult against the background of the earth, it is necessary to isolate and distinguish from the noise and more serious matrices are needed. The Turkish pilot, shot down by Su-24 in Syria, did not give a warning signal, the rocket was launched from below, IR sensors did not recognize it. And you’re talking about tanks. Doppler sensors should be there, responsive to the speed of approach of the object. On Javelins and other ATGMs, RPGs should work, on the sub-caliber they will not have time
      1. parkello
        parkello 18 November 2019 08: 58 New
        0
        So I wrote about ammunition attacking from above, and nothing will save anything from BOPS in the roof. this is what’s attacking from above just against the background of the sky and it turns out, in the case when the attack is on the horizon, the arena copes with this, the IR channel is not needed at all, and what’s falling from above, be it javelin or spike and a freely falling aerial bomb, this is what must be seen. that would either go to the side or shoot towards. if you can’t leave. you won’t get away from javelin and spike to the side, so it’s better to shoot them.
  4. bars1
    bars1 16 November 2019 10: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    it is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

    This is, "optimization" ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 10 New
      -6
      this is called a smart decision. install them on cars is not very long and kill them just stupidly waste. sense then to write off hundreds of them? no doubt they need them. but as an attachment, if necessary, it could be installed quickly. and a certain number of machines as demonstrators and for training.
      1. Corn
        Corn 16 November 2019 10: 43 New
        +6
        And why is it needed in warehouses?
        So that at the “right moment” a whole problem would come out? So that the crews did not know how to use it, the commanders did not know its real capabilities, the technicians could not bring it into working condition after operation?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 59 New
          -1
          how can I tell you ... when you are taught to drive a car you are dragged to each new one or are you still using a training park?) this is not shooting and not tactics. to explore its capabilities, what do you want? shelling combat vehicles or what? and simulators are enough for its study and layouts. I doubt very much that there generally special skills are needed except on-off.
          1. Corn
            Corn 16 November 2019 11: 14 New
            +3
            Teaching the basic principles of driving on training machines, but a person will become a full-fledged driver only in his car, and then not immediately, but only with operating experience.
            So, the introduction of such complexes will directly affect the actics (for example, infantry will not be allowed to approach tanks when KAZ is on, respectively, some color-and-light indicators on the vehicle are needed, which the crew must turn on and off in a timely manner)
            shelling combat vehicles or what?
            It would be nice, for example, with practical ammunition, having previously protected vulnerabilities (for example, with a steel sheet all over)
            and simulators are enough for its study and layouts.
            Rave. It’s the same as learning to shoot computer games ... it’s kind of possible to achieve some result, but it’s better to consolidate the theory with practice, simultaneously checking the serviceability and nuances of operation.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 16 November 2019 13: 58 New
              -3
              Firstly, simulators are now such that you won’t especially notice the difference. secondly, this does not affect tactics in any way. infantry between tanks, in principle, have nothing to do. she moves after them. although this kind of battle is now an anachronism. you judge by the wars that were dozens of years ago, and this basically does not make sense. color-light signals)))) with practical ammunition do what? to test defensive systems in exercises?) let's check the penetration of the armor there) iron is not a pity))) the learning process is 70 percent of the theory and 30 practices directly on average.
              1. Corn
                Corn 16 November 2019 15: 50 New
                0
                Firstly, simulators are now such that you won’t especially notice the difference.
                Do you offer tanks (and other equipment) to be sent directly from the factory for conservation, and let the soldiers and technical personnel exercise with simulators? belay
                infantry between tanks, in principle, have nothing to do
                so-and-so, only in reality everything happens, sometimes infantry needs to be covered up, and sometimes the only suitable firing position is with infantry at the same frontier.
                practical ammunition do what? to test defensive systems in exercises?)
                accumulate operating and maintenance experience, and at the same time gain an idea of ​​the process itself (for example, what will happen if you do not close the hatches)
                let's check the armor penetration there)
                Of course, decommissioned equipment is often shot, blown up, shot down and drowned.
        2. JD1979
          JD1979 16 November 2019 12: 04 New
          -2
          Quote: Corn
          And why is it needed in warehouses?

          ... behind the closet? or offer all that is constantly carry on yourself?
          So that at the “right moment” a whole problem would come out?

          THAT not, did not hear!
          So that the crews did not know how to use it, the commanders did not know its real capabilities, the technicians could not bring it into working condition after operation?

          uh ... Educational process ... training ... exercises ... passing standards ... although to whom am I?

          Dear, do you see installed DZ modules on all tanks at normal times? So, from what modules with KAZ combat elements should be installed? During modernization, all electronics and controls will be installed in the tank, and the modules will be hung and connected as necessary. And what to use it? I turned it on, the self-test passed and works in automatic mode, or do you think that the crew will configure something there or give the control center?
          1. Corn
            Corn 16 November 2019 15: 21 New
            0
            or offer all that is constantly carry on yourself?
            Of course, carry everything on yourself, while raising not only the skills of the crew, but also the combat effectiveness as a whole.
            If the question of the need for regular and comprehensive exercises causes a “gag”, then I don’t even know what other arguments will help here.
            THAT not, did not hear!
            And how will maintenance fix this “heap of problems”, many of which have nothing to do with maintaining the presentation in the warehouse?
            uh ... Educational process ... training ... exercises ... passing standards ... although to whom am I?
            It’s like, without a piece of equipment, or maybe even without a tank (a running gear, a gun, and even a meager motor resource, must be protected, right?) ... how can one not remember ....
            even it’s not necessary to invent anything, amateurs have done everything for a long time
            1. JD1979
              JD1979 16 November 2019 16: 40 New
              -1
              Quote: Corn
              Of course, carry everything on yourself, while raising not only the skills of the crew, but also the combat effectiveness as a whole.

              I wonder how this will affect the skills of the crew))), probably the same as the iron bucket on the towbar of the old lawn)). It is necessary to carry when necessary.
              If the question of the need for regular and comprehensive exercises causes a “gag”, then I don’t even know what other arguments will help here.

              Where did you see it from? )) poke))
              And how will maintenance fix this “heap of problems”, many of which have nothing to do with maintaining the presentation in the warehouse?

              Do not whine, tell us what kind of "heap of problems" you are talking about, the system is as if being tested, and you already know all the problems?)) And that these problems will disappear if the module is constantly hung on the armor, and not lying in stock?
              It’s like, without a piece of equipment, or maybe even without a tank (a running gear, a gun, and even a meager motor resource, must be protected, right?) ... how can one not remember ....

              You don’t have to deal with clowning)) although ... maybe this is just yours. You tell me how much you will train to conditionally include one toggle switch to start a fully automatic system? This is firstly, and secondly, you probably from a distant village have not heard about the widespread introduction of simulators that allow you to train tank drivers, without consuming fuel and motor resources))) Good luck.
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 November 2019 10: 03 New
    +6
    How to understand the "test snapshot"? !! I would also understand the "test video", but a snapshot? ....
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 16 November 2019 12: 15 New
      +3
      on the forum .. Courage seems to have surfaced this photo, now they argue where and when it was taken .. in the area of ​​autumn .. someone thinks that it was commissioned by the Moscow Region, since a contract was signed last year and it’s just execution for the fall 2019go is logical, but someone sang Alko that it was the Turks who arrived urgently and began to find out .. what in fact smacks of delirium
  6. bars1
    bars1 16 November 2019 10: 09 New
    0
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    it turns out that KAZ Arena-M will not protect from Javelin

    Exactly. Most likely they will fight with Davelin as on Armata - with the help of various obstacles.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 November 2019 10: 15 New
      -2
      I think so. this is a more reasonable solution as for me.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 16 November 2019 11: 07 New
      0
      A lone Javelin, subsonic, non-maneuvering and flying at an altitude of 60 meters, is quite a typical target for aerial defense. For Thor, for example, city missiles are a typical target. Another thing is mass application.
      Another option is the use of sniper rifles with a firing range of the order of 2 km, plus standard events - smoke curtains (including in the IR range), shelling of all suspicious areas.
      But, actually, you need Afghanite
      1. tracer
        tracer 16 November 2019 12: 48 New
        -1
        Do you offer a sniper to shoot down javelina rockets on approach? How to "trap" or "skid"? Thought .. however
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 16 November 2019 16: 34 New
          0
          knock down the operator. if possible - before launch.
          1. tracer
            tracer 16 November 2019 16: 57 New
            0
            “Wow” what is your knowledge of sniper business. C'mon, you know for sure that any sniper just knocks everyone down. Well, more precisely, on a computer, as always. Hmm .... how old are you then? I think about the mental development of 10 years, otherwise such nonsense would not have been written.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 16 November 2019 13: 45 New
        0
        Sniper rifles are ineffective, but the shells with programmable detonation over suspicious places are the most!
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 16 November 2019 18: 36 New
          -1
          so it is clear that what is meant is not the SVD, but the Lobaev rifle or something similar. And shells with timers, of course, too.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 16 November 2019 19: 00 New
            0
            About a sniper that it’s so stupid that a well-disguised ATGM before launch cannot be detected just like that, and a sniper doesn’t work in areas, unlike a projectile.
            1. sivuch
              sivuch 16 November 2019 19: 04 New
              0
              There are devices for detecting the snipers themselves.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 16 November 2019 19: 11 New
                0
                How will this device help in smoke, dust and from tanks? If the operator lit up before starting, then you can also sip it from the machine gun, but if not, then only over the areas, and this is a shell.
                1. tracer
                  tracer 16 November 2019 23: 54 New
                  0
                  Told you not to get from SVD. Only from Laboev’s rifle with a specially detecting sight. Kapets, after all, considers himself clearly not stupid. And I just want to laugh ...
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch 17 November 2019 10: 59 New
                  0
                  Yes, for God's sake. Let it be not the Lobaev rifle, but the CPV with some Octopus-3.
                  Another thing is that here
                  http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/pribory-dlja-kontr-snajperskoj-borby.6981/
                  wrote that the thermal imager is quite easy to protect from such devices -
                  By the way, this does not always work against a thermal imager. By itself, it can be direction-finding well, but there you can cover the lens with a banal piece of thin polythene (at least with a straight plastic bag) - the picture quality will practically not suffer, and it will no longer be available for direction-finding.
                  Well, I don’t know here
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 17 November 2019 13: 55 New
                    0
                    But how do you not understand that a sniper can fight anti-tank systems, he must be in front of tanks !! In defense it’s all the same to the tanks, in the offensive it is impossible!
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 17 November 2019 14: 24 New
                      0
                      And the tanks, therefore, are still at the forefront or are they still moving out of the area of ​​concentration?
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 17 November 2019 14: 25 New
                        0
                        Yes pah on you!
                      2. sivuch
                        sivuch 17 November 2019 14: 42 New
                        0
                        Okay, it's a deal drinks
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 17 November 2019 14: 48 New
                        0
                        Yes, indeed, what am I, success!
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 16 November 2019 12: 16 New
    +2
    Kaz Arena was primarily tasked with hitting Tou and his ilk .. And this was confirmed in KB, regarding the possibility of hitting Spike and Javelina, it is unknown, because you need to know the technical characteristics of the KAZ .. in fact, it was said that the shell was detonated by radio signal, which allows theories to hit and javelins .. implemented or not, unknown
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 16 November 2019 22: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Chernikov
      in fact, it was said that the detonation of a projectile by a radio signal, which allows in theory to hit javelins too, is realized or not

      Well, no one will tell us this ...
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 18 November 2019 13: 10 New
        0
        That's it, in general, time will tell)
  • Prahlad
    Prahlad 16 November 2019 10: 28 New
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    Yes, the Turks came to watch. Perhaps purchased.
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 16 November 2019 14: 52 New
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      Where infa that the Turks? from the drunk?)))))
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 18 November 2019 13: 11 New
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      and do not forget to indicate "Alconafter said so to me")
  • Corn
    Corn 16 November 2019 10: 35 New
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    Such photos have been published by 20 for years, and things are still there.
    KAZ did not appear on combat machines, and will not appear in the foreseeable future.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 16 November 2019 10: 39 New
    +2
    Is that a watermelon on the tower?)))
    1. alexey alexeyev_2
      alexey alexeyev_2 16 November 2019 10: 50 New
      +2
      Polygon Ashuluk Astrakhan. There in the summer all the ditches are filled with watermelons.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 16 November 2019 11: 00 New
      -2
      I also noticed the tests in the Astrakhan region))) regarding KAZ Arena M I will say this: will go to Syria for verification and if our "effective" ones do not blame, they will show in parades
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    4. tracer
      tracer 16 November 2019 16: 58 New
      0
      This is KAZ!
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 16 November 2019 11: 06 New
    +1
    URAAAAAAAAAA !!!! I waited for this moment, now I wait when KAZ gets into our troops !!!

    I hope the protection is not only around the perimeter, but an option is also thought out to repel an attack from above from the ammunition of the same Javelin and Spike.
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 16 November 2019 11: 14 New
    -2
    I think they will not be put on the T-72, as well as on the T-80. But in the nineties it’s possible.
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 16 November 2019 11: 29 New
      0
      This is from what?
      1. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 17 November 2019 18: 24 New
        0
        This is from an empty pocket.
    2. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 16 November 2019 14: 53 New
      0
      The contract was just for the T-72b3
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 November 2019 11: 25 New
    +2
    It is very pleasing. This is more important than KAZ on Armata .... this means that the backbone of our Т72 / 90 tanks will be equipped with KAZ
  • Igor K
    Igor K 16 November 2019 11: 27 New
    +1
    It is high time. The main enemy of tanks today is rockets.
    1. tracer
      tracer 16 November 2019 12: 54 New
      +2
      Not really. The main enemy of our tanks today is the young bearded youth of a liberal sense. They are fighters only online ..
  • Klingon
    Klingon 16 November 2019 13: 24 New
    0
    for ATGMs it’s clear what’s going to work, but what about modern crowbars? will cope?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 16 November 2019 22: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Klingon
      for ATGMs it’s clear what’s going to work, but what about modern crowbars? will cope?

      So far, in theory, only one KAZ can cope with “scraps” of AKFBPS - “afghanit”, and no other one existing in our country and in the world at all.
  • Приговор
    Приговор 16 November 2019 15: 33 New
    0
    At last. Very good news.
  • Operator
    Operator 16 November 2019 16: 47 New
    -1
    ATGM Javelin - FSO laughing
  • bars1
    bars1 16 November 2019 21: 04 New
    +3
    Of course, Arena-M is not the forefront of science, but at least it will be protected from massive anti-tank grenades and cheap ATGMs (relatively massive). Against the barmaley will do. But when facing a serious adversary, we will certainly look for blood.
  • Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 00: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

    Brainless just do it. To sell OCD in the loot, to make a batch of a hundred or two, sets, to peck out the entire cost of the OCD (development work, who does not know) for this hundred, to make them in this way more expensive than the cast-iron bridge and toss it for plunder. Substituting, working machines in Syria, including under the destruction. It is good that not all idiots are in our General Staff.
    Only serial, and better large-scale production, mechanization and automation of the production process, the distribution of the cost of OCD on a huge number of products, makes iron cheap. Nobody will do production lines for a single production, this is an axiom.
  • Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 00: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    ATGM Javelin - FSO laughing

    https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/38470700-kope-s-izyanom-pochemu-dzhavelin-ne-pomozhet-ukraine/
    Read, be educated and do not say nonsense.
    An article about Ukraine, but it examines the properties of this iron. The infrared head does not see the tank, with the engine not yet started. She does not see the tank behind the infrared screen. She does not see the tank amid a big fire. She does not see much. For example, the earthen fortification of the enemy.
    The simple Soviet Cornet is devoid of all these shortcomings, and, in addition, it is capable of destroying earthen and other fortifications. Not to mention the price ten times lower than this exotic toy
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 17 November 2019 12: 18 New
      0
      Quote: wkd dvk
      She does not see the tank behind the infrared screen. She does not see the tank amid a big fire. She does not see much. For example, the earthen fortification of the enemy.

      That is why at the same “armature” (both on the T-14 and T-15) we limited ourselves to protecting the upper hemisphere in the form of “smoke exhausters”, creating a cloud impermeable in the infrared range ...
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2019 02: 25 New
    +3
    I believe that KAZ Arena has not exhausted its "modernization" opportunities! I’m sure that it’s possible to create an “Arena” version that can also hit the "javelins" ... I just see how to do it! There is a “development potential” for KAZ’s “Arena” ammunition ... During the next modernization of KAZ’s Arena, emphasis should be placed on improving launchers and “munitions” ... it’s worth considering that on the basis of the “Arena” "it is possible to create a simplified (and cheaper ...) KAZ for installation on an armored personnel carrier, BMP like the Barrier to protect against relatively low-speed cumulative ammunition like rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles like the Cornet, Competition, TOW ...
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 17 November 2019 12: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      I believe that KAZ Arena has not exhausted its "modernization" opportunities!

      If we compare the arena, which was shown 15 years ago, and the “today's” arena, then we can say that the modernization potential there is simply astronomical ...
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      I’m sure that it’s possible to create an “Arena” version that can also hit the "javelins" ... I just see how to do it!

      Arena designers saw it even earlier, and such statements on their part, by the way, were.
  • Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 17 November 2019 12: 34 New
    0
    Quote: tracer
    Not really. The main enemy of our tanks today is the young bearded youth of a liberal sense. They are fighters only online ..

    This breed of mold can destroy everything. Not only tanks, but entire states fell under this insatiable rabble.
  • shifro
    shifro 17 November 2019 19: 57 New
    0
    And in my opinion, the test was a complex Watermelon M, not Arena
  • Fff
    Fff 18 November 2019 01: 20 New
    0
    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: loki565
    The shell has the cheapest rockets in its class

    I do not have accurate data, but they used to say that 1 Shell shell costs about 1,5 million rubles. But last year there was information that a simplified missile for the Shell was adopted for service, which is cheaper than the old one for firing at drones. But only now their value was not announced. Do you have information on the cost of this rocket?

    Hardly 1,5 million. A 2 million shot of Cornet’s ATGM costs, and there the rocket is smaller and the electronics are smaller, the laser sensor is stupid and that's it