A snapshot of the T-72B3 tank tests with the installed Arena-M KAZ appeared on the Web

Interesting shot tank T-72B3 with installed active defense complex (KAZ) T09-06 ("Arena-M") appeared on the Web. It is assumed that the photo was taken during field tests of the Russian KAZ.

The picture clearly shows the special compartments and the antenna unit of KAZ Arena-M installed outside the tank turret.

Where and when the picture was taken no explanation. It is assumed that the MBT T-72B3 with the installed protection complex is involved in the field tests of the protective system.

Earlier, a similar complex was shown on a demonstration model of the modernized T-72Б3 tank during an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil in 2013 and 2015.

In January 2017, Valery Kashin, general designer of the Engineering Design Bureau Corporation (KBM, Kolomna), announced that the new Arena-M active defense complex (KAZ) would be installed on the T-72 and T-90 tanks and that it was being tested under the personal control of Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Colonel General Oleg Salyukov. In 2018, it was reported that UVZ purchased elements of the KAZ Arena-M for installation on the T-72B3 tank as part of the Perfection-A development work.

It was indicated that KAZ "Arena-M" is a system installed on a combat vehicle, which includes a multifunctional radar station with high noise immunity, detecting targets. Shells are struck by protective ammunition of narrowly targeted action, located around the perimeter of the tank turret in special installation mines.

The system is installed in the bulletproof compartments outside the tank turret and operates in automatic mode, providing double protection in each direction of attack. The system provides radar tracking and destruction of flying targets. The principle of the complex’s operation is to defeat the PTS with a directed stream of heavy fragments during the detonation of a firing striking element when approaching a tank at ranges from 20 to 50m. The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

Comments

[bars1]

Good news. If only the Ministry of Defense did not decide later to "optimize costs"

[carstorm 11]

Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

What is wrong with the test conditions?

And why did you decide that KAZ on combat tanks would certainly fail?

KAZ is expensive, but not more expensive than a tank and the lives of a trained crew.

KAZ should be put on tanks just in order to save the country’s resources for the construction of tanks and the lives of people who after the war will remain alive and will work for the benefit of their families and countries by paying taxes.

But without KAZ, tanks in a modern war are just expensive targets !!!

KAZ is needed by our tankers and as soon as possible and more !!!

[Alekseev]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But without KAZ, tanks in a modern war are just expensive targets !!!

Quote: bouncyhunter

then it turns out that KAZ "Arena-M" will not protect against "Javelin"?

For a productive discussion of this topic you need to be a specialist ...
Unfortunately for us, the topic of KAZ, its true performance characteristics, are most likely secret.
But, the "trend" for the installation of such systems should be observed, including for protection against ATGM attacks from above.
However, despite all the prospects of KAZ, you need to understand that it is only one of the components of the protection of the tank outfits with armor, DZ, means of masking and jamming.

[carstorm 11]

I didn’t decide, but I know how everything that is possible is broken at the landfills) I didn’t say that it should not be installed, but the fact that it is stupid in machines that operate in the tail and mane is stupid. they need to be kept and at the right time to be able to quickly put on.

[loki565]

this is a question for the operators))) there was a case when grief the soldiers painted the tank along with all the triplexes, sights, etc.)))

[Doliva63]

Quote: carstorm 11

I didn’t decide, but I know how everything that is possible is broken at the landfills) I didn’t say that it should not be installed, but the fact that it is stupid in machines that operate in the tail and mane is stupid. they need to be kept and at the right time to be able to quickly put on.

Once in parts of the car they were divided into training and combat groups (I'm talking about linear units), the first - "in the tail and mane", the second - only in some cases. What prevents you from putting something on combat? Or is everything not the same in the Russian army?

[tatarin1972]

In the tail and mane, training machines are usually operated. The rest are in storage, regularly serviced.

[bouncyhunter]

The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

Considering that the Javelin "sways" in the range of 30 - 60 degrees on the horizon when approaching the target from above, then it turns out that the Arena-M KAZ will not protect against the Javelin? Who is in the subject - explain?

[knn54]

I am not special either, but it seems that he is not an adversary to Javelin and Spike.
Interestingly, the elevation angle is the parameter of the radar antenna or / and the possibility of the "bullet"?
And, forgive the layman, isn't it easier to create an inexpensive but effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not "mess" over the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: knn54

Interestingly, the elevation angle is the parameter of the radar antenna or / and the possibility of the "bullet"?

I think what exactly "bullets".

Quote: knn54

Isn't it easier to create an inexpensive but effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not "mess" over the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

This is only a specialist in such systems can tell.

[mvg]

And how long has Buk been knocking down BOPS? Well, or ATGMs? Like a literate person. 10 tanks are marching, stretched for km, and behind the "beech" and covers everyone .. if only with a laser from Star Wars

[knn54]

I said ANALOGUE, maybe really. Not an expensive beech.
Regarding the elongation, a sniper (for example) damages the radar antenna and EVERYTHING ..
And BOPSs are knocked down by "Afghanit". And why then "Arena"

[missuris]

BEECH in comparison with Afganit is very expensive, and in comparison with Arena-M super (*****) which is expensive. Suppose Afghanit costs $ 500000, Arena-M $ 100000. Arena-M intercepts 3rd generation Ptur and manual RPGs.

[loki565]

usually tanks on the march covers the tunguska. Only the reaction rate should be very large, I doubt that someone will have time to intercept the missile launched from 2 km.

[kjhg]

Quote: knn54

Isn't it easier to create an inexpensive, but / effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not "mess" over the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

Why Buka? To cover the tanks you need a short-range air defense system with inexpensive missiles. Shooting Buk missiles at planning UAV-Kamikadze is very expensive.

[loki565]

For this, an armor was created on a caterpillar chassis.

[kjhg]

Quote: loki565

For this, an armor was created on a caterpillar chassis.

Are you seriously? Firing shell missiles that cost a million rubles at cheap kamikaze drones or planning bombs is super-wasteful. This is the first. Secondly, the Shell cannot shoot on the go. Rather, it can, but can’t get there. Need to make short stops.

[loki565]

Are you seriously? Firing shell missiles that cost a million rubles at cheap kamikaze drones or planning bombs is super-wasteful. This is the first.

The shell has the cheapest missiles in its class, derivation can be used, but the percentage of guaranteed shot down, range and height of the defeat will drop sharply. And the cost of the tank is many times greater than any missile.

Secondly, the Shell cannot shoot on the go. Rather, it can, but it can’t get there. Need to make short stops.

The shell can fire rockets on the move on any chassis, the cannon armament on a wheeled vehicle sways the car. But on the caterpillar he is quite normal shoot from the move. The shell is essentially a deep modernization of the Tunguska, and it was developed to cover tanks on the march and the forefront.

[kjhg]

Quote: loki565

The shell has the cheapest rockets in its class

I do not have accurate data, but they used to say that 1 Shell shell costs about 1,5 million rubles. But last year there was information that a simplified missile for the Shell was adopted for service, which is cheaper than the old one for firing at drones. But only now their value was not announced. Do you have information on the cost of this rocket?

[sivuch]

And how do you know the cost of Shell rockets? They write that it is noticeably smaller, although also an OBS radio. And the Javelin rocket, too, is by no means cheap

[carstorm 11]

tanks without cover, in principle, can’t act.

[Igor K]

On the basis of the tank, make a platform for the transport of missile interceptors of tank destroyers with a dual function. The first is to hit anti-tank missiles and RPGs, the second to hit high-explosive anti-tank calculations. Search missiles to do in the IR range, the main thing is to detect the launch.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Igor K

On the basis of the tank, make a platform for the transport of missile interceptors of tank destroyers with a dual function. The first is to hit anti-tank missiles and RPGs, the second to hit high-explosive anti-tank calculations. Search missiles to do in the IR range, the main thing is to detect the launch.

Exactly! "Terminator" remake for it!

[D16]

Laughter, laughter, but if you install Derivation on a tank chassis and introduce it into each tank platoon, you get both a Swiss and a reaper, and a dude on the dude, really covering the platoon from all the misfortunes from above on the front line. And the sect of starters omnipotent Jewelin, Hellfayer and Tou would be his favorite food along with what they launch. One trouble. Crews must be taught in air schools, and then in tank ones. I have a poor idea of ​​how to manage all this organizationally.

[Observer2014]

Quote: knn54

I am not special either, but it seems that he is not an adversary to Javelin and Spike.
Interestingly, the elevation angle is the parameter of the radar antenna or / and the possibility of the "bullet"?
And, forgive the layman, isn't it easier to create an inexpensive but effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not "mess" over the next modernization of the ARENA, which, by the way, is very expensive ..

Ha ha ha ha Is this a military review? If this is high here, then all of them

[figwam]

Quote: knn54

but an effective analogue of the same BUK to protect a group of tanks and not "mess" over the next modernization of the ARENA

Analogue SAM BUK ?! Here from this on shells and ATGMs ?!

[Mark9103]

Yes, in principle, the arena is a bit outdated because it was created to fire at objects flying directly into the tank. If the radar sees that the missile "flies by" (like a javelin or a spike) then the system will not react. In addition, the anti-munitions themselves have a very limited range of action (you cannot shoot upwards). On the Jewish trophy, the mechanism is better, there is something like a small turret from which ammunition is fired, and it has much wider aiming angles (google it and you will understand it yourself).

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

If we take into account that the Javelin, when approaching a target from above, "swings" in the range of 30 - 60 degrees horizontally, then it turns out that the Arena-M KAZ will not protect against the Javelin? Who is in the subject - explain? request

Judging by the photo there is something sticking out in the middle directed upwards, I hope protection from ATGMs attacking from above is also provided.

[alexmach]

Judging by the photo there is something sticking out in the middle pointing up

This is something a weather station.

[alexmach]

then it turns out that KAZ "Arena-M" will not protect against "Javelin"? Who is in the subject - explain?

I do not pretend to be in the subject at all, but it just turns out that way.
The arena is older than this your Javelin. It was designed against the 2nd generation ATGM.

[Albert1988]

Quote: alexmach

I do not pretend to be in the subject at all, but it just turns out that way.
The arena is older than this your Javelin. It was designed against the 2nd generation ATGM.

To begin with, compare "that" arena with the current one - they seem to have nothing in common, if you were not told that this is an arena in the photo, then in general one would think that it was a different KAZ.

[alexmach]

To begin with, compare "that" arena with the current one - they seem to have nothing in common, if you were not told that this is an arena in the photo, then in general one would think that it was a different KAZ.

C may be nothing, but the ammunition there is clearly the same ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: alexmach

C may be nothing, but the ammunition there is clearly the same ...

By the way, this is also unknown, moreover, the arena ammunition can theoretically be thrown in different directions, which, accordingly, will change the vector of the fragments dispersion. So you can knock down a "dart" with a "thorn". The only problem on which so far they have been diligently refusing to protect the upper hemisphere by means of KAZ is the high probability of damage to the devices by flying fragments. But this problem can be solved.

[Scoun]

Quote: bars1

Good news. If only the Ministry of Defense did not decide later to "optimize costs"

It is already "" optimized ", it will not be installed on all tanks, only on the front lines, so to speak. The dispersal of heavy fragments is decent and poses a potential threat to light vehicles and soldiers.
In any case, military experts are working on the use of new technology, and here the "Armata" with the accompanying UAV pretty much changes the tactics of using tanks.

[brr1]

they say that maybe not we fell

[Boris Chernikov]

it’s Alko..on loves to lie how to breathe..Turkish tanks from KAZ a month as soon as they entered the battle zone and for some reason rushed to Russia to look at the Arena, and so rushed that no one saw them in Russia except the Alkovsky insider ..

[Prahlad]

I’ll believe Cyril faster than buying these systems in our troops.

[Artemiy_2]

hahaahahah. Believe Latvia more than public procurement contracts)))

[Prahlad]

Where are these contracts? Only one photo is not clear where it was made and under what conditions ...

[Artemiy_2]

on the government procurement website
http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/documents.html?regNumber=31806637078

[loki565]

yeah, the sprat never lies, the campaign will soon again ban its channel)))

[PROXOR]

To draw conclusions based on the couch NEDOanalyst Alkonaftera well this.

[Bar2]

is it one tank or will there be more?

[SHURUM -BURUM]

There, it seems, dynamic protection was replaced by watermelons?

[Observer2014]

This is all wonderful. And not just fine. And wonderful. Are there any results of using KAZ on our tanks in real battles? It is interesting to read this information. KAZ was not invented today. And there was a sea of ​​conflict unfortunately of course. Since 80's.

[parkello]

why don’t they install an IR sensor to detect an attack from above? and a couple of containers with fired cartridges up ... too expensive?

[Igor K]

Yes, there is a shot of ammunition to cover the upper hemisphere in the complex. Take a closer look at the description of "Arena" M.

[The popuas]

He is, we look carefully at the photo ... in the form of a watermelon

[loki565]

Do you think that KAZ detects missiles with an IR sensor?

[parkello]

I somewhere said (wrote) what I think? I asked...

[Fff]

Quote: parkello

why don’t they install an IR sensor to detect an attack from above? and a couple of containers with fired cartridges up ... too expensive?

Even fighters with normal infrared sensors do not even have systems for detecting missile launch on the thermal trail. There, primitive matrices that can only be recognized against the background of the sky, are more difficult against the background of the earth, it is necessary to isolate and distinguish from the noise and more serious matrices are needed. The Turkish pilot, shot down by Su-24 in Syria, did not give a warning signal, the rocket was launched from below, IR sensors did not recognize it. And you’re talking about tanks. Doppler sensors should be there, responsive to the speed of approach of the object. On Javelins and other ATGMs, RPGs should work, on the sub-caliber they will not have time

[parkello]

So I wrote about ammunition attacking from above, and nothing will save anything from BOPS in the roof. this is what’s attacking from above just against the background of the sky and it turns out, in the case when the attack is on the horizon, the arena copes with this, the IR channel is not needed at all, and what’s falling from above, be it javelin or spike and a freely falling aerial bomb, this is what must be seen. that would either go to the side or shoot towards. if you can’t leave. you won’t get away from javelin and spike to the side, so it’s better to shoot them.

[bars1]

Quote: carstorm 11

it is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

This is "optimization" ...

[carstorm 11]

this is called a smart decision. install them on cars is not very long and kill them just stupidly waste. sense then to write off hundreds of them? no doubt they need them. but as an attachment, if necessary, it could be installed quickly. and a certain number of machines as demonstrators and for training.

[Corn]

And why is it needed in warehouses?
So that at the “right moment” a whole problem would come out? So that the crews did not know how to use it, the commanders did not know its real capabilities, the technicians could not bring it into working condition after operation?

[carstorm 11]

how can I tell you ... when you are taught to drive a car you are dragged to each new one or are you still using a training park?) this is not shooting and not tactics. to explore its capabilities, what do you want? shelling combat vehicles or what? and simulators are enough for its study and layouts. I doubt very much that there generally special skills are needed except on-off.

[Corn]

Teaching the basic principles of driving on training machines, but a person will become a full-fledged driver only in his car, and then not immediately, but only with operating experience.
So, the introduction of such complexes will directly affect the actics (for example, infantry will not be allowed to approach tanks when KAZ is on, respectively, some color-and-light indicators on the vehicle are needed, which the crew must turn on and off in a timely manner)

shelling combat vehicles or what?

It would be nice, for example, with practical ammunition, having previously protected vulnerabilities (for example, with a steel sheet all over)

and simulators are enough for its study and layouts.

Rave. It’s the same as learning to shoot computer games ... it’s kind of possible to achieve some result, but it’s better to consolidate the theory with practice, simultaneously checking the serviceability and nuances of operation.

[carstorm 11]

Firstly, simulators are now such that you won’t especially notice the difference. secondly, this does not affect tactics in any way. infantry between tanks, in principle, have nothing to do. she moves after them. although this kind of battle is now an anachronism. you judge by the wars that were dozens of years ago, and this basically does not make sense. color-light signals)))) with practical ammunition do what? to test defensive systems in exercises?) let's check the penetration of the armor there) iron is not a pity))) the learning process is 70 percent of the theory and 30 practices directly on average.

[Corn]

Firstly, simulators are now such that you won’t especially notice the difference.

Do you offer tanks (and other equipment) to be sent directly from the factory for conservation, and let the soldiers and technical personnel exercise with simulators?

infantry between tanks, in principle, have nothing to do

so-and-so, only in reality everything happens, sometimes infantry needs to be covered up, and sometimes the only suitable firing position is with infantry at the same frontier.

practical ammunition do what? to test defensive systems in exercises?)

accumulate operating and maintenance experience, and at the same time gain an idea of ​​the process itself (for example, what will happen if you do not close the hatches)

let's check the armor penetration there)

Of course, decommissioned equipment is often shot, blown up, shot down and drowned.

[JD1979]

Quote: Corn

And why is it needed in warehouses?

... behind the closet? or offer all that is constantly carry on yourself?

So that at the “right moment” a whole problem would come out?

THAT not, did not hear!

So that the crews did not know how to use it, the commanders did not know its real capabilities, the technicians could not bring it into working condition after operation?

uh ... Educational process ... training ... exercises ... passing standards ... although to whom am I?

Dear, do you see installed DZ modules on all tanks at normal times? So, from what modules with KAZ combat elements should be installed? During modernization, all electronics and controls will be installed in the tank, and the modules will be hung and connected as necessary. And what to use it? I turned it on, the self-test passed and works in automatic mode, or do you think that the crew will configure something there or give the control center?

[Corn]

or offer all that is constantly carry on yourself?

Of course, carry everything on yourself, while raising not only the skills of the crew, but also the combat effectiveness as a whole.
If the question of the need for regular and comprehensive exercises causes a “gag”, then I don’t even know what other arguments will help here.

THAT not, did not hear!

And how will maintenance fix this “heap of problems”, many of which have nothing to do with maintaining the presentation in the warehouse?

uh ... Educational process ... training ... exercises ... passing standards ... although to whom am I?

It’s like, without a piece of equipment, or maybe even without a tank (a running gear, a gun, and even a meager motor resource, must be protected, right?) ... how can one not remember ....

even it’s not necessary to invent anything, amateurs have done everything for a long time

[JD1979]

Quote: Corn

Of course, carry everything on yourself, while raising not only the skills of the crew, but also the combat effectiveness as a whole.

I wonder how this will affect the skills of the crew))), probably the same as the iron bucket on the towbar of the old lawn)). It is necessary to carry when necessary.

If the question of the need for regular and comprehensive exercises causes a “gag”, then I don’t even know what other arguments will help here.

Where did you see it from? )) poke))

And how will maintenance fix this “heap of problems”, many of which have nothing to do with maintaining the presentation in the warehouse?

Do not whine, tell us what kind of "heap of problems" about which you are singing here, the system is being tested, but you already know all the problems?)) And that these problems will disappear if the module is constantly hung on the armor, and not be in the warehouse?

It’s like, without a piece of equipment, or maybe even without a tank (a running gear, a gun, and even a meager motor resource, must be protected, right?) ... how can one not remember ....

You don’t have to deal with clowning)) although ... maybe this is just yours. You tell me how much you will train to conditionally include one toggle switch to start a fully automatic system? This is firstly, and secondly, you probably from a distant village have not heard about the widespread introduction of simulators that allow you to train tank drivers, without consuming fuel and motor resources))) Good luck.

[The leader of the Redskins]

How to understand the "test snapshot"? !! I would also understand the "test video", but a snapshot? ....

[Boris Chernikov]

on the forum .. Courage seems to have surfaced this photo, now they argue where and when it was taken .. in the area of ​​autumn .. someone thinks that it was commissioned by the Moscow Region, since a contract was signed last year and it’s just execution for the fall 2019go is logical, but someone sang Alko that it was the Turks who arrived urgently and began to find out .. what in fact smacks of delirium

[bars1]

Quote: bouncyhunter

it turns out that KAZ "Arena-M" will not protect against "Javelin"

Exactly. Most likely they will fight with Davelin as on Armata - with the help of various obstacles.

[carstorm 11]

I think so. this is a more reasonable solution as for me.

[sivuch]

A lone Javelin, subsonic, non-maneuvering and flying at an altitude of 60 meters, is quite a typical target for aerial defense. For Thor, for example, city missiles are a typical target. Another thing is mass application.
Another option is the use of sniper rifles with a firing range of the order of 2 km, plus standard events - smoke curtains (including in the IR range), shelling of all suspicious areas.
But, actually, you need Afghanite

[tracer]

Are you suggesting the sniper shoot down javelin missiles on the way? How about "trap" or "skid"? Thought ... however

[sivuch]

knock down the operator. if possible - before launch.

[tracer]

"Wow," what is your knowledge of sniper. Come on, you know for sure that any sniper knocks everyone down at once. Well, more precisely, on a computer it is always so. Hmm .... how old are you then? I think about the mental development of 10 years otherwise such nonsense would not be written.

[Vladimir_2U]

Sniper rifles are ineffective, but the shells with programmable detonation over suspicious places are the most!

[sivuch]

so it is clear that what is meant is not the SVD, but the Lobaev rifle or something similar. And shells with timers, of course, too.

[Vladimir_2U]

About a sniper that it’s so stupid that a well-disguised ATGM before launch cannot be detected just like that, and a sniper doesn’t work in areas, unlike a projectile.

[sivuch]

There are devices for detecting the snipers themselves.

[Vladimir_2U]

How will this device help in smoke, dust and from tanks? If the operator lit up before starting, then you can also sip it from the machine gun, but if not, then only over the areas, and this is a shell.

[tracer]

Told you not to get from SVD. Only from Laboev’s rifle with a specially detecting sight. Kapets, after all, considers himself clearly not stupid. And I just want to laugh ...

[sivuch]

Yes, for God's sake. Let it be not the Lobaev rifle, but the CPV with some Octopus-3.
Another thing is that here
http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/pribory-dlja-kontr-snajperskoj-borby.6981/
wrote that the thermal imager is quite easy to protect from such devices -
By the way, this does not always work against a thermal imager. By itself, it can be direction-finding well, but there you can cover the lens with a banal piece of thin polythene (at least with a straight plastic bag) - the picture quality will practically not suffer, and it will no longer be available for direction-finding.
Well, I don’t know here

[Vladimir_2U]

But how do you not understand that a sniper can fight anti-tank systems, he must be in front of tanks !! In defense it’s all the same to the tanks, in the offensive it is impossible!

[sivuch]

And the tanks, therefore, are still at the forefront or are they still moving out of the area of ​​concentration?

[Vladimir_2U]

Yes pah on you!

[sivuch]

Okay, it's a deal

[Vladimir_2U]

Yes, indeed, what am I, success!

[Boris Chernikov]

Kaz Arena was primarily tasked with hitting Tou and his ilk .. And this was confirmed in KB, regarding the possibility of hitting Spike and Javelina, it is unknown, because you need to know the technical characteristics of the KAZ .. in fact, it was said that the shell was detonated by radio signal, which allows theories to hit and javelins .. implemented or not, unknown

[Albert1988]

Quote: Boris Chernikov

in fact, it was said that the detonation of a projectile by a radio signal, which allows in theory to hit javelins too, is realized or not

Well, no one will tell us this ...

[Boris Chernikov]

That's it, in general, time will tell)

[Prahlad]

Yes, the Turks came to watch. Perhaps purchased.

[Artemiy_2]

Where infa that the Turks? from the drunk?)))))

[Boris Chernikov]

and do not forget to indicate "Alconafter told me so")

[Corn]

Such photos have been published by 20 for years, and things are still there.
KAZ did not appear on combat machines, and will not appear in the foreseeable future.

[Lord of the Sith]

Is that a watermelon on the tower?)))

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Polygon Ashuluk Astrakhan. There in the summer all the ditches are filled with watermelons.

[Alien From]

I also noticed that the tests in the Astrakhan region))) about KAZ Arena M I will say this: it will go to Syria for testing and if our "effective" ones do not blur, they will show

[tracer]

This is KAZ!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

URAAAAAAAAAA !!!! I waited for this moment, now I wait when KAZ gets into our troops !!!

I hope the protection is not only around the perimeter, but an option is also thought out to repel an attack from above from the ammunition of the same Javelin and Spike.

[Sergei 777]

I think they will not be put on the T-72, as well as on the T-80. But in the nineties it’s possible.

[Igor K]

This is from what?

[Sergei 777]

This is from an empty pocket.

[Artemiy_2]

The contract was just for the T-72b3

[Zaurbek]

It is very pleasing. This is more important than KAZ on Armata .... this means that the backbone of our Т72 / 90 tanks will be equipped with KAZ

[Igor K]

It is high time. The main enemy of tanks today is rockets.

[tracer]

Not really. The main enemy of our tanks today is the young bearded youth of a liberal sense. They are fighters only online ..

[Klingon]

for ATGMs it’s clear what’s going to work, but what about modern crowbars? will cope?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Klingon

for ATGMs it’s clear what’s going to work, but what about modern crowbars? will cope?

So far, in theory, only one KAZ can cope with "crowbars" aka BOPSs - "Afghanite", none of the existing ones in our country and in the world in general - no.

[Приговор]

At last. Very good news.

[Operator]

ATGM Javelin - FSO

[bars1]

Of course, Arena-M is not the forefront of science, but at least it will be protected from massive anti-tank grenades and cheap ATGMs (relatively massive). Against the barmaley will do. But when facing a serious adversary, we will certainly look for blood.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: carstorm 11

Yes, what does optimization have to do with it? even if they are finished, they will not be put on combatant units. look at the test conditions. how long will they live on combat vehicles? and this is a rather expensive and complex complex. will be purchased and thrown into storage.

Brainless just do it. To sell OCD in the loot, to make a batch of a hundred or two, sets, to peck out the entire cost of the OCD (development work, who does not know) for this hundred, to make them in this way more expensive than the cast-iron bridge and toss it for plunder. Substituting, working machines in Syria, including under the destruction. It is good that not all idiots are in our General Staff.
Only serial, and better large-scale production, mechanization and automation of the production process, the distribution of the cost of OCD on a huge number of products, makes iron cheap. Nobody will do production lines for a single production, this is an axiom.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Operator

ATGM Javelin - FSO

https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/38470700-kope-s-izyanom-pochemu-dzhavelin-ne-pomozhet-ukraine/
Read, be educated and do not say nonsense.
An article about Ukraine, but it examines the properties of this iron. The infrared head does not see the tank, with the engine not yet started. She does not see the tank behind the infrared screen. She does not see the tank amid a big fire. She does not see much. For example, the earthen fortification of the enemy.
The simple Soviet Cornet is devoid of all these shortcomings, and, in addition, it is capable of destroying earthen and other fortifications. Not to mention the price ten times lower than this exotic toy

[Albert1988]

Quote: Vkd dvk

She does not see the tank behind the infrared screen. She does not see the tank amid a big fire. She does not see much. For example, the earthen fortification of the enemy.

That is why on the same "armature" (both on the T-14 and on the T-15) they limited themselves to the protection of the upper hemisphere in the form of "smoke pipes" that create a cloud impenetrable in the infrared range ...

[Nikolaevich I]

I believe that KAZ "Arena" has not exhausted its "modernization" capabilities! I'm sure you can create a version of "Arena" that hits the "javelins" too ... I just see how to do it! The "counter-ammunition" of the KAZ "Arena" also has a "development potential" ... With the next modernization of the KAZ "Arena", emphasis should be placed on improving the launcher and "counter-ammunition" ... it is worth considering that on the basis of the "Arena" "it is possible to create a simplified (and cheaper ...) KAZ for installation on armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles of the" Barrier "type for protection against relatively low-speed cumulative ammunition such as rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles like the" Cornet ", Competition, TOW ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I believe that KAZ "Arena" has not exhausted its "modernization" capabilities!

If we compare the arena that was shown 15 years ago and the "today's" arena, then we can say that the modernization potential there is astronomical simply ...

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I'm sure you can create a version of "Arena" that hits the "javelins" too ... I just see how to do it!

Arena designers saw it even earlier, and such statements on their part, by the way, were.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: tracer

Not really. The main enemy of our tanks today is the young bearded youth of a liberal sense. They are fighters only online ..

This breed of mold can destroy everything. Not only tanks, but entire states fell under this insatiable rabble.

[cipher]

And in my opinion, the test was a complex Watermelon M, not Arena

[Fff]

Quote: kjhg

Quote: loki565

The shell has the cheapest rockets in its class

I do not have accurate data, but they used to say that 1 Shell shell costs about 1,5 million rubles. But last year there was information that a simplified missile for the Shell was adopted for service, which is cheaper than the old one for firing at drones. But only now their value was not announced. Do you have information on the cost of this rocket?

Hardly 1,5 million. A 2 million shot of Cornet’s ATGM costs, and there the rocket is smaller and the electronics are smaller, the laser sensor is stupid and that's it