Why in the Wehrmacht reluctantly used captured Soviet tanks


Many of our compatriots believe that the Nazi army completely and completely lacked military-technical equipment, and therefore there is no need to use Soviet military trophies, including Tanks and other armored vehicles, the Wehrmacht was not. But this is not so. The Germans actively used Soviet equipment for a variety of purposes, including as samples, based on the characteristics of which it was possible to improve their own equipment.


The Nazis used Soviet captured equipment in battles as well. However, one nuance is associated with this. The fact is that German tankers got into tanks that previously belonged to the Red Army, reluctantly.

At the initial stage of the war, the Germans considered Soviet tanks to be hopelessly inferior to German-made tanks. Trophy tanks were actively studied, the Germans tried to figure out the weaknesses of Soviet technology.

When Soviet tanks fell to the Nazis, they often saw in them equipment that was extremely difficult to fight in. Why? One of the reasons is the banal unpreparedness of German tank crews to correct arising failures in the field. What could have been the usual thing for a Soviet tanker to “rule” a tank on their own and improvised means, for German tankers it was often unimaginable: there was neither the appropriate equipment, nor the specialists who would provide technical assistance to the crew before the battle or when leaving it.

About many of the nuances of why the Germans were not particularly willing to exploit Soviet captured tanks - in the story on the Diodand YouTube channel:
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  1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 04: 54 New
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    Everything is trite to simplicity. Our tankers also did not like to get into German tanks. They’ll beat their own, and no stars painted on the sides will help.
    1. forty-eighth 17 November 2019 05: 10 New
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      I agree. The silhouette is recorded in the subcortex and no stars and crosses played any role
      1. Prisoner 17 November 2019 18: 25 New
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        In aviation, the same garbage! Silhouette, profile, full face and mustache !!! Fingers press on the trigger! laughing
    2. svp67 17 November 2019 06: 25 New
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      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Everything is trite to simplicity. Our tankers also did not like to get into German tanks. They’ll beat their own, and no stars painted on the sides will help.

      Nevertheless, the Germans were forced to engage in such work, due to the small number of their tank troops. And most of the captured tanks went to the SS tank divisions.
      1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 06: 49 New
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        Quote: svp67
        And most of the captured tanks went to the SS tank divisions.

        It is, but they were used in large quantities. The Germans had an advantage over ours, their aviation, unlike ours, was completely radio-infected, and the Junkers knew where to throw bombs. And ours could have been missed, moreover, in Reshetnikov’s memoirs, cases were described of how our Ishaks attacked our own bombers. And how the Junkers our tanks hollowed, is well described in the memoirs "Iron Rain"
        - Sailing!

        - My parents! Again! Groaned Vasya.

        A black cloud was swiftly moving on them. There were more planes than rooks over the autumn field.

        The crew went down into the pit under the car. They lay down, clinging to each other. Now none of them hoped to stay alive. The only thing they wanted was to die together. And they frantically clung to each other ...

        How long this bombing lasted is hard to say. Maybe a minute, maybe an hour, or maybe eternity. But they survived, and a wretched twenty-six survived above them. There was a terrible silence. Vasya Kolyushkin in a whisper asked:

        “What are we going to do now?”

        Sokratilin threw out a shmat mud from his throat.

        - I do not know.

        “You want, but I went,” said Shvygin.

        - Where?

        “And somewhere, only from here.” I can not anymore.

        Kolyushkin was silent. He took sand in a handful and let it out through his fingers in a thin stream.

        “I’ll go and find out from the company.” And, noticing the frightened look of Kolyushkin, Sokratilin tried to smile: “Nothing, guys.” Nothing. I'll be back ... I'll be back soon ...

        The coastal houses of the city were on fire. Everything around was disfigured beyond recognition. The bombs here fell so thickly that the car was surrounded by an earthen rampart. And the tank now stood at the bottom of a deep pit.

        "How did we only survive?" Thought Sokratilin, and he himself answered: "Only God knows." However, this Bogdan was not at all pleased. He stayed to live. But for how long? Something broke inside Socrates.

        http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/kurochkin1/03.html
        1. New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 28 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          our Ishaki attacked our own bombers.

          “The first plane I shot down on June 22, 1941 was our new Su-2 short-range bomber.” - A. I. Pokryshkin.

          True, the downed plane boarded and carried.
          "Our pilots were outraged that because of the idiotic secrecy we were not even acquainted with our new machines, and complained that our new MiGs did not have radio communications" hi
          1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            Our pilots were indignant that because of the idiotic secrecy we had not even been introduced to our new machines, and complained that our new MiGs did not have radio communications "

            So Reshetnikov, the future deputy commander in chief of the Air Force, flew on TB (long-range aviation), bombed Berlin, and our fighters on Ishachki did not know what he looked like. Moreover, TB - the car is far from new. They will be bombed in Berlin, and then our "meet" them. And due to the lack of a radio, the connection to chickens is a laugh. Gestures communicated. This is on airplanes either. sad And they could not warn their own if the Germans noticed.
            1. New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 56 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              then on planes

              there you will not shout: "I am mine."
              I think that it was with everyone and everywhere. Confusion in the first months of the war
              1. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 50 New
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                Quote: Silvestr
                there you will not shout: "I am mine."

                Well, why, you can scream anything, whatever ... if anyone hears you, here is the problem. And for this, various ways to identify were invented. The Germans, until our pilots began to fight effectively, carried “identification flags” that were clearly visible on the towers and aft

            2. Catfish 17 November 2019 16: 51 New
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              But on the tanks! Guderian insisted in the thirties that there was a radio station on EVERY tank! And our poor fellow - little flags sticking out in the hatches: like, "do as I do." Yes, the Germans with advanced units always had a special Luftwaffe liaison officer, with each battalion, and, at the first request of the tankers, called up the Stucks. Communication, communication and communication - this was our nightmare from which we did not really get rid until the end of the war.
              1. Catfish 17 November 2019 17: 19 New
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                Thank! I really could not think of Americans. Although, there is an assumption that this award incl. for the "popularization" of their "Aerocobra". smile
              2. svp67 17 November 2019 17: 27 New
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                Quote: Sea Cat
                And our poor fellow - little flags sticking out in the hatches: like, "do as I do."

                No, you are not quite right. Tanks from the company commander and above, as well as most of the platoon commanders, were radio-fired. It was perfectly visible on old newsreels. Handrail antenna, this is just a feature of the radio-tank.
                And then there were a lot of them, both completely radio-infected, that is, with a full-fledged radio station, and partially, that is, with a radio receiver. Another thing is that the quality of these radio stations was VERY low.
                And the flags, as they were in the Soviet Army, controlled a tank unit, in radio silence mode
                1. Catfish 17 November 2019 17: 30 New
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                  We had no flags in our regiment. And on modern chronicles I did not notice them. smile
                  1. svp67 17 November 2019 19: 23 New
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                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    We had no flags in our regiment.

                    Tank commanders HAD NO FLAGS ????? And flashlights ????? Very strange. These signals were studied and constantly repeated in all classes on tactics, fire and driving.
                    1. Catfish 17 November 2019 19: 45 New
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                      True, no flags, no flashlights, at my request a flashlight was sent from my house, along with cigarettes and a lighter. )))
                      1. Catfish 17 November 2019 23: 13 New
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                        In sculpt laughing at least they explained what the minus was: a flag, a flashlight or cigarettes. fool
                      2. hohol95 20 November 2019 16: 21 New
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                        This is for the trophies of the Germans.

                        This is according to our trophies!
              3. Essex62 17 November 2019 21: 00 New
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                Where such infa. Tanks of the Red Army did not radiate in large numbers, there was nothing. This is the main factor in the defeat of the first months of the war.
                1. svp67 18 November 2019 03: 44 New
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                  Quote: Essex62
                  Where such infa. Tanks of the Red Army did not radiate in large numbers, there was nothing. This is the main factor in the defeat of the first months of the war.

                  In the tank forces of the Red Army, for example, on 1 of April 1941 of the year, only T-100, T-35 and KV tanks were equipped with radio stations. All the rest were divided into “radial” and “linear”. Radio transceivers were installed on the "radium" tanks, and nothing was installed on the "linear" tanks. The place for the radio station in the niche of the BT-28 or T-7 tower was occupied by a rack for 26-mm rounds or disks for the DT machine gun. In addition, fodder Voroshilov machine guns were installed in the niches of precisely the “linear” tanks.
                  At 1 April 1941, the troops had 311 T-34 "linear" tanks, that is, without a radio station, and 130 BT-2452 "linear" and 7 "radial", 1883 BT-510M "linear" and 7 "radium", 181 BT-1270 "linear" and 5 "radial", finally, 402 T-3950 "linear" and 26 "radium" (with respect to the T-3345 we are talking only about single-turret tanks). Thus, of the 26 15 tanks of the above types were equipped with radio stations 317 cars, that is, 6824%.

                  Here are the data from
                  The combat and strength of the Armed Forces of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War (1941-1945 gg.).
                  2 application.
                  QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE COMPOSITION OF THE RED ARMY'S ARMENIAN PARK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR 1941-1945




                  1. Parvis rasulov 18 November 2019 05: 18 New
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                    By the way, a very reliable report on the number of tanks in the USSR, and which refutes the assertion that in 1941 there were over twenty thousand tanks ...
                    1. svp67 18 November 2019 06: 07 New
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                      Quote: Parvis Rasulov
                      By the way, a very reliable report

                      Well, actually, this is the data of the General Staff of the Red Army and earlier, this table had the signature stamp "Sov. Secret", there was no point in lying.
                    2. Siberian54 18 November 2019 10: 09 New
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                      20,000 are MI6 propagandons under the pseudonym Suvorov ..
                    3. Barbus 18 November 2019 10: 21 New
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                      Well, actually does not refute. Judging by this table, there were about 34 tanks. The bottom line (000) is just the light ones. After each group of tanks there is such a result
                    4. Mikhail Zubkov 18 November 2019 20: 53 New
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                      Not 34000, consider carefully. Rounded on June 22.06.41, 22000, there were 1200 light tanks, 600 medium and 1 heavy tanks of categories 2 and 4000 in the country. 3 tanks of categories 4 and 1 are scrap metal for decommissioning and spare parts. I round up the combat-ready in the direction of increase, and the combat-ready in the opposite. New tanks of the 2000st category were rounded 24000 of all rounded 17000 allegedly combat-ready. This is for all military districts of the USSR, including eastern and southern, which also covered dangerous areas. Of these, 2000 were rounded off in the western okrugs on the fronts from Murmansk to Odessa. Of these, at least 2000 required repairs to exit the park, 100 required repairs on the first 2000 km of the march, 200 on the first 2000 km, 300 on the first 2000 km, 300 on the first 2000 km, 400 on 2000 km and 500 on 500 km. After a run of 5000 km without repair, the remaining 2000 turned into non-operational. The motor resources of all tanks of the western districts were worked out already in June, and by the fall they could miraculously survive no more than 3000 at the fronts from Murmansk to Rostov. For technical reasons, not counting combat losses. The Germans during this time lost about 1 tanks. The ratio of losses in tanks 5 to 1941 in the conditions of the summer of XNUMX should be considered good luck obtained in a fierce and stubborn battle.
                    5. Parvis rasulov 19 November 2019 01: 04 New
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                      This is a table from a falsified report from 1994 from which the security stamp was allegedly removed at that moment, and where the figure is 23-25 ​​thousand tanks and this table pops up all over the Internet if you type in the search bar About the number of tanks in the USSR ... http: //www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BiChSostavVS/BiChSostavVS_4_01.html
                      Actually in the USSR by 1941 there were no more than 16 thousand tanks, and this is with tanks that were exported to China, Afghanistan, Turkey, Spain, Mongolia and Iran ..
                      And one more moment of 16 thousand tanks, 35 percent of the tanks were of category 3 and 4 that were tanks that needed major repairs, here also take into account that there were 1458 tanks of the BT-5 and T-26 type of the 1933 model, which were discontinued and they could not be repaired since there were no spare parts on them
                2. Essex62 18 November 2019 10: 13 New
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                  44% radial, but in fact less due to a malfunction. More than half of the unit is (conditionally) deaf and dumb. In the trench, in the infantry marching column, you can give the chain of orders, in the tank the same "dull". The control unit, stretched along the front for a couple of kilometers, almost none. Not to mention the lack of quality training l / s. Levers tossing and turning the gun taught and okay. A huge percentage in the Red Army was illiterate, what kind of walkie-talkies. So nemchuru thrashed us, in which every sergeant was trained in communication, tactical interaction and maneuver.
                3. kytx 18 November 2019 20: 07 New
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                  Yeah
                  and now let's think how many of these radio stations normally worked

                  Yes yes
                  I'm talking about the same window dressing
                4. Jager 27 January 2020 19: 17 New
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                  In fact, in the 41st every second car was radio-fired. Liberals, however, claim that in the 45th, Soviet tankers caught radio waves with felt boots.
                  The same Carius wrote that in German cars, far from all, there were full-fledged radio stations. There were cars and only with receivers.
                  But with the logistical services until the beginning of the 43rd mess was going on.
          2. Cossack 471 17 November 2019 21: 56 New
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            Since the war, communications have not improved. Remember the detention of Ukrainian boats near the Crimean bridge We used open communication. then the Ukrainians laid out all this shame in the public domain
            1. Siberian54 18 November 2019 10: 13 New
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              moreover, they didn’t intend to kill the Ukrainians, hence the “open connection and anyone who understands anything, explain to the“ Cossack ”the banderlog that the“ closed connection ”is called so because it is difficult to intercept ..
          3. hohol95 18 November 2019 08: 15 New
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            Tankers themselves loved to shoot at their own!
            At Kursk, at least one Tiger was knocked out by the Panther. The tank commander died!
            And the driver of the captured Shtug described
            They went with the landing on the armor and were fired by their own T-70!
            The car was in our green color and with big red stars! Fortunately, there were no losses. the car received minor damage! The tankers from the T-70 were then "fondled" with their fists ...
        2. Nikolai Korovin 17 November 2019 22: 25 New
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          The first raid, as you know, was on DB-3, aka IL-4. TB - they are different. TB-1, TB-3 ... (Tupolev). They were not new, but they obviously could not fly to Berlin. This refers to TB-7 (Pe-8). Passed state. Test at the end of 1938, was released in a very small series. Could not bring to the attention.
          1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 22: 43 New
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            Here, I found how they were hammering in their own way.
            Full of military excitement, we were already returning from the bombardment of the Dorogobuzh bridge (which, by the way, was perfectly covered), when suddenly a solitary Messerschmitt-109 grabbed us in the breaks of the clouds and managed to fire before we hid in the clouds without causing however, any damage. The duel ended on this, because he could no longer find us. Soon the clear sky again became apparent, but it was already its own territory, and having noticed on the side a link of our I-16 fighter barrage fighters, we generally felt completely safe. The three smoothly approached us and began to settle in from afar - apparently, the guys decided to walk a little escort escort next to the returning from a combat mission blood brother-bomber. But just in case, for a cordial acquaintance in full confidence, we still gave a conditional signal “I’m mine” - they shook their wings and launched rockets. And after this, bullets rained down on the plane in a hail: glass splashed from my windshield, holes peas scattered on the wings and the upper lining of the navigator’s cabin. [86] Getting involved in a stupid fight was pointless. I shouted to the arrows: “Let's turn on them!” - and myself, having stuck my back into the armored back, abruptly turned the car into a deep dive to the very tops of the forest. From our machine-gun line-up, "donkeys" scattered at once, then, recollecting themselves, rushed like domestic mongrels in pursuit, firing from long distances, but all by. And on our shaver they are completely behind.

            My guys weren’t hurt, but after landing I had to taxi to the repair shop - patch holes.

            The division commander, Colonel Loginov, who met us at the airport, became furious, rushed to the phones, searched for someone, scribbled, cursed. Where there! No trace. Probably the whole link was already chalked up in the group, “for three”, “Heinkel” or “Junkers”.

            Well, this happened more than once. Few people saw our cars in the eye, and there were no poster images of their planes, because of their "secrecy," in the shelves. Well, if an unfamiliar configuration came across in the air, they opened fire without hesitation. Probably according to the principle: it’s better to knock down your own by mistake than to miss a fascist.

            Not only fighters, but even more often anti-aircraft gunners fell into sin. With them, however, if you walk at high altitude, it was easier. After the first volleys, which were usually unsuccessful, or rather, “interrogative”, we managed to “sniff” with the help of “I’m mine” signals, but sometimes we shot at low altitude with the first burst. Major-haired handsome Major Kalinin barely brought his "EP-2", lined in battle with German fighters, to our airfield on one engine. But when his car with very unusual forms — two-keel, with a “reverse gull” —was completely visible over Kratov along parking lots about five hundred meters away, the anti-aircraft gunners from the nearest battery cut it off with their first salvo. How they were then killed in the cemetery!

            http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/reshetnikov_vv/01.html
        3. Elturisto 18 November 2019 11: 18 New
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          Stop fucking already. Reshetnikov did not fly combat on TB, only a passenger, and even then in the rear. Reshetnikov flew the whole war on IL-4.
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      2. Catfish 17 November 2019 16: 55 New
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        Colleague Sylvester hi , You, by chance, do not know what kind of medal is on the bottom left pocket of A.I. Pokryshkin? Looks like French, but not sure.
        1. bubalik 17 November 2019 17: 04 New
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          ,,, wiki says: Medal for Outstanding Service (US Army)
      3. Cyril732017 19 November 2019 16: 13 New
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        Pilot, Ivan Pstygo survived, but the navigator died
  2. Avior 17 November 2019 08: 09 New
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    Ours also used captured tanks.

    And until the very end of the war, when we had no problems with the number of tanks.
    http://wio.ru/tank/capt/capt-ru.htm
    It’s logical, why should the good disappear if it can be sent to battle
    1. mvg
      mvg 17 November 2019 11: 28 New
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      Yes, because we did not have Panther and Tiger class tanks. Neither armor, nor optics, nor guns.
      1. Jager 17 November 2019 12: 27 New
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        Now from these words one D-25T laughs with the IS-2.
        1. mvg
          mvg 17 November 2019 12: 44 New
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          Just dying from Tiger II. Where could she hit him? Besides the roof? And the IS made its way through the T-IV with a long-barrel 75 mm gun. Head-on.
          1. kenig1 17 November 2019 13: 23 New
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            About breaking into the roof in more detail.
            1. Jager 18 November 2019 18: 55 New
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              There is an excellent humorous article on the site of Vasily Chobitka about the history of the creation of the Tiger tank. It would be nice to see her at VO.
          2. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 11 New
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            Quote: mvg
            Just dying from Tiger II.

            He didn’t just “burn away”, but burned completely ...
            You are idealizing this tank too much. Maybe he appeared in the year 1942 or 1943 he would really be the "king of the battlefield", but not in the 1944 year, when Germany lost the opportunity to receive manganese and began to use nickel for alloying.
            The shelling tests were carried out in the autumn of 1944, in Kubinka, and the following results were obtained:

            "1. The quality of the armor of the Tiger-B tank compared to the quality of the armor of the tanks Tiger-N, Panther, and SU Ferdinand of the first releases deteriorated sharply. In the armor of the Tiger-B tank from the first single hits Cracks and spalls form, and from the group of projectile hits (3-4 shells), large-sized spalls and breaks form in the armor.
            2. For all nodes of the hull and turret of the tank, the weakness of the welds is characteristic. Despite careful execution, the seams during shelling behave much worse than was the case in the similar designs of the Tiger-N, Panther and SU Ferdinand tanks.
            3. The armor frontal sheets tank thickness from 100 to 190 mm when hit 3-4 armor or high-explosive projectiles artillery systems caliber 152, 122 and 100 mm, the distance 500-1000 m, cracks, spalling and fracture of the welds, disrupting the operation of the transmission and the failure of the tank as irretrievable losses.
            4. Armor-piercing shells of the BS-3 (100 mm) and A-19 (122 mm) guns penetrate when penetrated into the edges or joints of the frontal plates of the Tiger-B tank at 500-600 m distances.
            5. Armor-piercing shells of the BS-3 (100 mm) and A-19 (122 mm) guns penetrate through the frontal plate of the Tiger-B turret at 1000-1500m distances.
            6. Armor-piercing 85-mm shells of D-5 and C-53 cannons do not penetrate the front hull of the tank hull and do not produce any structural damage from the 300 distance.
            7. The side armor plates of the tank differ in sharp unequal strength compared with the front plates and are the most vulnerable part of the armor hull and turret of the tank.
            8. The hull side plates and turret of the tank are punched by armor-piercing shells of the 85-mm domestic and 76-mm American cannon from the 800-2000 distance m.
            9. The side sheets of the hull and turret of the tank do not penetrate the 76-mm domestic cannon with armor-piercing shells (ZIS-3 and F-34).
            10. American 76-mm armor-piercing shells penetrate the side sheets of the Tiger-B tank from a distance 1,5-2 times larger than domestic 85-mm armor-piercing shells. "

            And these are the results of that shelling




          3. Jager 18 November 2019 18: 53 New
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            Did you experience it on your own forehead? I do not recommend beating them against a pipe with a diameter of 75 mm, you can get a concussion. Although ... In your case, this is not scary.
      2. svp67 17 November 2019 13: 51 New
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        Quote: mvg
        Yes, because we did not have Panther and Tiger class tanks. Neither armor, nor optics, nor guns

        ?????? How was it not? On the armor. The same KV-85, IS-1, IS-2. In optics, yes, our sights were worse, but worse in quality of the used components, and not in design. During the war years, our tank sights made a major breakthrough in their development, it was then that we had "breaking" sights, which, by the way, were not the same Americans. They studied with us
        The gun, again, 57-mm TP, 85-mm TP, 100-mm TP were the same class as the German
    2. svp67 17 November 2019 13: 46 New
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      Quote: Avior
      Ours also used captured tanks

      Yes, they used it not only that way, but also in the early years of the war as a basic chassis, when creating self-propelled artillery equipment ...
      SU-76 AND


      SU-122 AND
  3. mamont5 17 November 2019 15: 03 New
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    Yes, and ours did not disdain German tanks. If there’s nothing to fight with (especially in the 41), then you’ll be glad with any weapon. I read on the net how our tankers, remaining “horseless”, found the German T-3, repaired it and arrived on it in their unit. On Kursk, our tank units were equipped, in addition to their own, with Lend-Lease equipment and captured German equipment. And the famous photos on the net - our tank company on the Panthers ...
  4. Prisoner 17 November 2019 18: 27 New
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    It is not strange, but the SS tank divisions were the most sloppy among the Wehrmacht tankers. what
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      There were no others .. In the Wehrmacht there were mechanized divisions ..
  • Avior 17 November 2019 07: 57 New
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    In the memoirs of our tankers you can read that the same problem was partially with the Lend-Lease
    1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 08: 04 New
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      Quote: Avior
      In the memoirs of our tankers you can read that the same problem was partially with the Lend-Lease

      Well yes. Drabkin’s case is described when our 34s unknowingly clashed with the Shermans.
      1. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 43 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Well yes. Drabkin’s case is described when our 34s unknowingly clashed with the Shermans.

        So Loza in his "Tanker on a foreign car" such a case is described. And he fought on the "Sherman"
        1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 14: 45 New
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          Quote: svp67
          So Loza in his "Tanker on a foreign car" such a case is described. And he fought on the "Sherman"

          Yes, for sure, I confused the authors. yes
    2. Prisoner 17 November 2019 18: 34 New
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      Yes, what kind of "partial!?! Candles were burning like a candle !!! Although for studebakers and corrected" aerial cobras ", Grand Merci!
  • knn54 17 November 2019 12: 36 New
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    The tightness, inconvenience, the noise of our tanks, the words of the commander of the tank battalion, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War from the first days of the war.
    1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 12: 54 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The tightness, inconvenience, the noise of our tanks, the words of the commander of the tank battalion, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War from the first days of the war.

      My grandfather during the Second World War, from the 1939 to the summer of the 42, was a mechanical instructor. Then they sent to the front. He did not consider our tanks to be bad.
      1. Prisoner 17 November 2019 18: 38 New
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        This is remodels coming up. I have a military instructor from Ulyanovsk to Berlin in armor passed. He told about the T-34, just before the Komsomol kids they didn’t put a sign of the cross.
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      That word, in fact, these memories can not be trusted, this is an interested person, he may have motives to say so.
    3. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 25 New
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      The tightness, inconvenience, the noise of our tanks, the words of the commander of the tank battalion, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War from the first days of the war.

      Especially the first point of claims is ridiculous ...
  • Dmitry Nikolaevich 69 17 November 2019 21: 29 New
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    Baryatinsky wrote about the following. Trophy panthers were given to commanders and the best crews. They didn’t like you.
    1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 21: 49 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Nikolaevich 69
      Baryatinsky wrote about the following. Trophy panthers were given to commanders and the best crews. They didn’t like you.

      And were these crews happy with such a “gift”? Someone asked them? In addition, the mechanical water drivers, for example, were almost always older than the lieutenant graduates and were not particularly eager to fight. And they expected more from panthers than from 34-ki.
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      And who else to give the trophy equipment difficult to maintain ... Think of the top head before throwing shit on the fan ..
  • Amurets 17 November 2019 05: 11 New
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    Many of our compatriots believe that the Nazi army completely and completely lacked military-technical equipment, and therefore the Wehrmacht did not need to use Soviet military trophies, including tanks and other armored vehicles.
    Fuel supply problems, spare parts on the battlefield. Our troops were faced with the problem of supply, what about the Germans? It’s easier to quit than to remove something from damaged and burned-out cars.
    1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 05: 25 New
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      Our troops were faced with the problem of supply, what about the Germans?

      Both ours and the Germans had trophy teams that collected lined equipment. My uncle worked in Nizhny Tagil, so there was lined up equipment and weapons by echelons of pearl. At home, the trunks were pulled away. Rifles, machine guns, pistols ...
      1. Amurets 17 November 2019 06: 47 New
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        Both ours and the Germans had trophy teams that collected the damaged equipment. My uncle worked in Nizhny Tagil,

        I agree, but the trophy teams did not parse the trophies into spare parts, they had other worries.
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          I agree, but the trophy teams did not parse the trophies into spare parts, they had other worries.

          Nevertheless, the Germans had such a moment
          On 30 of July 1943 of the year (when the losses of German tanks became especially great) an original program appeared that effectively stimulated the collection and repair of captured tanks on the Eastern Front. The command of the Wehrmacht established an alcoholic incentive for the personnel for each captured serviceable T-34 tank (40 Schnapps Bottles), for a working engine, transmission, gun’s sight or radio station (six bottles), and for every working tool, radiator, starter, etc. (one to three bottles).
          In addition to individual encouragement, the unit that captured the trophy could receive additional weapons or equipment. For example, for the T-34, the Wehrmacht command allocated two self-propelled artillery units or three half-tracked Multiiere vehicles to the tank unit, and two 40 Cancer guns with tractors for infantry, mining or tank destroyer units.
          1. Amurets 17 November 2019 14: 33 New
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            July 30, 1943 (when the losses of German tanks became especially great) an original program appeared that effectively stimulated the collection and repair of captured tanks on the Eastern Front. The command of the Wehrmacht established an alcoholic incentive for the personnel, for each captured T-34 tank (40 bottles of “schnapps”), for a working engine, transmission, gun’s sight or radio station (six bottles) and for every working gun, radiator, starter and etc. (one to three bottles).

            Thank! Very interesting. I read it for the first time.
            1. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 37 New
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              Very interesting.

              This is the same for me. When I first encountered this, I was very surprised. It seems that the Germans had "liquid currency" the same thing ... Is it interesting that they have their own or have already learned from us?
              1. Amurets 17 November 2019 16: 00 New
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                Is this interesting from them or have we already learned from us?

                I don’t even know, I won’t tell. The most interesting book on this topic by Maxim Kustov The price of victory in rubles on this topic does not say anything. "Chapter Six," One Hundred Grams for the Day of the Athlete, "examines in detail the topic of vodka at the front. And even there were norms on the fronts.
                Appendix to the order of NPO No. 0883
                Name of fronts and separate armies
                Vodka consumption limit (in liters)
                Karelian Front 364
                7th Army 99
                Leningrad Front 533
                Volkhov Front 407
                North - Western Front 394
                Kalinin Front 690
                Western Front 980
                Bryansk Front 414
                Voronezh Front 381
                Southwestern Front 478
                Don Front 544
                Stalingrad Front 407
                Total: 5

                Transcaucasian Front 1 (wine) "

                Deputy People’s Commissar of Defense Khrulev. "[123]
                Book links
                https://ru.b-ok.cc/dl/2439009/d4af49
                https://ru.b-ok.cc/book/2439009/1c8836
                1. svp67 17 November 2019 17: 29 New
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                  I don’t even know, I won’t tell.

                  Yes, I am in the plan that who they were looking for these tanks, as if the "schnapps" did not go to pay for the "voluntary assistants" from the local ones.
                  1. Amurets 17 November 2019 22: 34 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    Yes, I am in the plan that who they were looking for these tanks, as if the "schnapps" did not go to pay for the "voluntary assistants" from the local ones.

                    In the mid-80s, I worked as a power supply technician in one of the military units. There were several warrant officers from Eastern Ukraine, I don’t remember where, it seems from the Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk regions, teenagers who survived the occupation. According to them: "The Germans, if they paid for work and services, it was exclusively" Occupation Marks, "for which nothing could be bought." They didn’t like to remember how they lived in the occupation. If only under the “Glass of Tea”.
  • bubalik 17 November 2019 06: 15 New
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    The fact is that German tankers got into tanks that previously belonged to the Red Army, reluctantly
    ,,, very actively used. Example Emil Saybold tank ace, first of July to mid-December 27 victories, of which over 24 on the T-34.
    1. bubalik 17 November 2019 06: 25 New
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      ,,, in the initial period of the war, the Germans captured in working order from 900 to 1100 tanks T-26, 300-500 tanks BT, more 40 tanks T-28 and more 45 tanks T-34 and KV. The tanks captured in working order were used by units taken by him and usually served until they were completely abandoned. Nevertheless, in 1941 the use of captured Soviet trophies in the Wehrmacht was very limited, which was caused, on the one hand, by even more adequate staffing with regular German equipment and confidence in the imminent end of the war. In addition, unwillingness played a significant role. the commanders of many German units faced with the routine of compiling and accounting for captured tanks, which currently does not allow to accurately determine the amount used. Losses in the 1941 year and in the beginning The 1942 of the year, due to the inability of German plants to compensate for the losses, attracts more attention to the restoration and use of captured tanks. Since the end of the 1941, the captured T-34 began to be sent to a repair plant in Riga for restoration and modernization.
      1. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 42 New
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        in the initial period of the war, the Germans captured in working order from 900 to 1100 T-26 tanks, 300-500 BT tanks, more than 40 T-28 tanks and more 45 T-34 and KV tanks.

        Right in the CORRECT? Let DO NOT BELIEVE ... Just DO NOT BELIEVE.
        1. Amurets 17 November 2019 21: 55 New
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          https://coollib.com/a/10554-ivan-makarovich-golushko
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: bubalik
          in the initial period of the war, the Germans captured in working order from 900 to 1100 T-26 tanks, 300-500 BT tanks, more than 40 T-28 tanks and more 45 T-34 and KV tanks.

          Right in the CORRECT? Let DO NOT BELIEVE ... Just DO NOT BELIEVE.

          Here is the evidence of your disbelief: Galushko Ivan Mararovich: “The tanks came to life again.” In Pskov we quickly found the tank town we needed. In addition to the foreman, who introduced himself as the head of the tank fleet, there was no one here. The 1st Panzer Division, it turns out, already on June 19 began redeploying. The remaining tanks - 20 BT-5 and BT-7 units - were considered for conservation. He examined them and only gasped: some without gearboxes, others without batteries, some shot machine guns! ...
          When asked what all this meant, the foreman replied that the regiment, raised by alarm, had taken everything that could be put on the move. In addition, batteries from most of the tanks were removed and taken to another military camp for recharging, but were not brought back. "Https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=55867
    2. Avior 17 November 2019 07: 58 New
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      Have you noticed how big the cross is to be seen from afar?
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        ,, most likely, almost all captured Soviet tanks have such huge crosses, from all sides and from above on the tower.
        1. Avior 17 November 2019 08: 10 New
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          In the photo of the captured German, we also have stars and sickles with a hammer from all sides
      2. bubalik 17 November 2019 10: 26 New
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        to be visible from afar?
        almost all captured Soviet tanks have such huge signs on all sides



    3. bubalik 17 November 2019 09: 05 New
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      ,, also Soviet tanks used RONA

      1. bubalik 17 November 2019 09: 14 New
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        ,,, romanians

        ,,, Italians

        ,, Slovaks

        ,,, Hungarians
        1. bubalik 17 November 2019 09: 25 New
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          ,,, a number of enterprises were engaged in the repair of trophies, enlarged from the 1943 of the year, the plants Mercedes-Benz (Mrienfeld), Daimler-Benz (Berlin) and Wumag (Görlitz) were involved in the work.

          After the battles in the spring of 1943 of the year for Kharkov and its re-capture of more than 50 fully operational T-34 / 76 fell into the hands of the Germans (2 TK SS) mainly the release of 1942 / 1943 of the year, of which 25 tanks were transferred to 2 Pz.Gr.Div. SS "Das Reich" (some sources report that the 22 tank was transferred to the 3 Pz.Gr.Div SS "Totenkopf").
          Kharkov Lokomotiv Plant (Plant No. 183) was controlled by J-Staffel 2 SS Pz.Gr.Div "Das Reich", where repair of Soviet T-34 and KV tanks was organized.




          1. bubalik 17 November 2019 09: 38 New
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            A certain number of captured T-34 also arrived in France, where they were used for training purposes. In 1944, the captured T-34 and SU-85 fought in Romania as part of Jg. Abt 128 23 Pz. Div. Officially, during December 1944, 39 captured T-34 were deployed in German units, of which 28 vehicles were part of the 1 Ski Jager Division.
            At the end of the 1944, a special unit "Jaguar" was created, originally operating in the Krakow region. The staff of this unit is unknown, but the so-called middle company, equipped with T-34 / 76 and T-34 / 85 tanks, appeared in its composition. The unit was formed in East Prussia (Brauneberg). A number of KV-2 heavy tanks were sent to Germany for research and demonstrations during the initial period of the war, where at least one of them remained until the last stage of the war. In April 1945, this tank protected the Krupp plant from the advance of American tanks, one KV-1 was captured by American troops in the 1945 year.

            KV tank used in April 1945 to protect the plant from advancing American tanks

            ,,, captured IS-2


            1. bubalik 17 November 2019 09: 51 New
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              ,,, Soviet HF in the service of the Germans.








              1. bubalik 17 November 2019 10: 00 New
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                ,,, as well as self-propelled guns SU-76, SU-85, SU-100, SU-122, SU-152.










                ,,, sometimes it seems that the Germans fought in half of the Soviet armored vehicles, only they did not go into the account of the lost vehicles.
                1. bubalik 17 November 2019 10: 08 New
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                  ,,, as well as armored cars








                  1. bubalik 17 November 2019 10: 13 New
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                    ,, tractors and tractors








                    1. New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 40 New
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                      , ... tractors and tractors ..

                      and planes ...

                      Me.109F-2 fighter at the Air Force Research Institute
                2. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 56 New
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                  ,,, sometimes it seems that the Germans fought in half of the Soviet armored vehicles, only they did not go into the account of the lost vehicles.

                  The feeling is false. It’s just that the Germans had a large number of cameras for personal use, and photographing captured equipment was not a problem for them.
                  1. bubalik 17 November 2019 14: 58 New
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                    ,,,maybe so request
          2. bubalik 17 November 2019 13: 08 New
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    4. New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 31 New
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      Emil Saybold Tank As ...

      cunning bastard! I’m sure that I didn’t paint over the red star, because ...
      Quote: bubalik
      ... 27 victories, of which over 24 on the T-34.

      Sly our shot, bastard
      1. bubalik 17 November 2019 11: 48 New
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        I am sure that the red star is not
        ,,, in the photo the tank in which he fought.
        1. New Year day 17 November 2019 11: 51 New
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          ,,, in the photo the tank in which he fought.

          nothing prevented him from camouflaging his crosses before the battle
      2. svp67 17 November 2019 14: 58 New
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        Sly our shot, bastard

        This is called "tactics" and there is nothing wrong with the battle.
        1. New Year day 17 November 2019 15: 05 New
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          This is called "tactics" and there is nothing wrong with the battle.

          this is certainly true, but when two grandfathers stayed there - it’s only a bastard
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            then only a bastard

            There is not even any doubt ...
  • bubalik 17 November 2019 10: 42 New
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    Why in the Wehrmacht reluctantly used captured Soviet tanks
    ,,, so they used it and how.
  • Comrade Kim 17 November 2019 11: 45 New
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    was with Lend-Lease

    In his memoirs he met such a characteristic to the Sherman: "comfortable shit."[B] [/ b]
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      In his memoirs he met such a characteristic to Sherman: "comfortable shit."

      Every man to his own taste. But in general, our Sherman tankers respected and loved. No wonder they were lovingly called "emchi" ... so reading their name "M4"
  • bubalik 17 November 2019 12: 09 New
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    HF with KwK 40 L / 43 gun and commander's turret from PzKpfw IV
    1. bubalik 17 November 2019 12: 23 New
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      In September 2000, in Jõhvi in ​​northeastern Estonia, the completely and almost untouched Soviet T-34 / 76 tank was pulled out of the lake. Did you notice the signs on the armor?
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        2. svp67 17 November 2019 15: 01 New
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          ,, some units were staffed almost entirely from Soviet technology.

          Mainly training or "rear-police" "SS troops"
      2. kytx 18 November 2019 20: 44 New
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        So there they pull out something every year.
        these guys are in no hurry
        Yeah
  • Mikhail3 17 November 2019 12: 26 New
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    Of course, the promotion of the channel at my expense will not work, so I will not watch. Well, and so ... Firstly, our diesel engines used needle nozzles. Nobody had thought of umbrella ones yet. Even cleaning the working hole of such an nozzle is not so simple, and the Wehrmacht didn’t set up its production on a mass scale for the entire war, and this spare part is an urgently needed consumable!
    Secondly, the controls of our tanks did not have any amplifiers, and were designed for greater muscle strength. Of course, this approach has repeatedly increased our losses, for the simple reason
    that the tired driver was performing maneuvers more slowly, exposing the tank under attack for more and more time. German tankers were not enthusiastic about such a decision.
    Thirdly, the "life support" of the crew, in the Soviet tradition, was not done to help people, but to fight them, so to speak, to destroy them. Engineers designing the tank, apparently every morning began with a prayer addressed to the crew of the future car. That prayer contained a few words - so you die !! Hell heat in summer in the inner volume. Infernal cold in winter. But at any time of the year - the exhaust gases and the evaporation of burnt oil are one to one with air. The Germans simply could not stand it ...
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      Engineers designing the tank, apparently every morning began with a prayer addressed to the crew of the future car. That prayer contained a few words - so you die !!

      You obviously have some kind of prejudice. And you will not answer what was the average age of those "bloodsucking engineers" and how long did they design tanks?
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Hell heat in summer in the inner volume. Infernal cold in winter.

      I read and laugh ... Do you think that all this was not in German tanks? Well, well ... You are our naive.
      Quote: Mikhail3
      But at any time of the year - the exhaust gases and the evaporation of burnt oil are one to one with air.

      Oh, well, you’re talking stupidity ... Yet these were no longer tanks of the First World War ...
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The Germans simply could not stand it ...
      Well, yes, yes ... "A bedtime story ..." You can’t even imagine what they had to endure ... Here are the German tankmen in Africa, in our conditions, in the heat, these were far away ...
      1. Mikhail3 17 November 2019 16: 25 New
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        Like, you know, do not care how old these guys were. You can’t - don’t take it! Taken - do it.
        I was in the fighting compartment of the T 34, and already post-war. Oh and stink there! The partition between the engine and the military did not occur to anyone to seal. Of course, a pound of rubber - this was a pity for our tankers, right? And to put a fan, with an air exchanger, and a pair of ventilation ducts to warm the air in winter and drive outside unheated in the summer, this is also an excess. True, to die and die like a nefig, but it's nothing, right? A little support - and in the fighting compartment there will still be some stench, but there will be no burning. They didn’t do it.
        Well done, cho ...
        1. svp67 17 November 2019 17: 04 New
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          Like, you know, do not care how old these guys were. You can’t - don’t take it!

          In your head is a mess.
          Firstly, there were simply no others
          Secondly, who told you that they did NOT PLAN something? There is also the issue of MASS PRODUCTION. There was a military demand - a mass of tanks, a large mass, and because of this, they went to simplify the design. I assure you that all countries went to this, including the Germans
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The partition between the engine and the military did not occur to anyone to seal.

          She MUST BE BEEN there, but if she is not there, then this is already a question for the crew, but where did she go? After all, it was removable, for the convenience of working with engine and transmission elements.
          Quote: Mikhail3
          And to put a fan, with an air exchanger, and a pair of ventilation ducts to warm the air in winter and drive outside unheated in the summer, this is also an excess.

          In any modification they were, just look into the design of the tank and its technical description.
          I myself had the good fortune of communicating with the T-34 / 85 which had been stored for 40 years, and somehow I had a much better opinion about these machines, they were very simple, accessible to crews without much experience in communicating with the equipment and VERY REPAIRABLE.
          So, I have a question, what do you have to do with tank troops and tanks in general
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          1. Mikhail3 18 November 2019 12: 53 New
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            I like your sophisticated politeness. You see, in order to
            . Through vent channels in case of fire in the engine, everything in the BO will be a connoisseur of horseradish ...
            this was not there, and a plate air exchanger is installed. Package of several plates. Hot air comes out through the engine compartment through it (or you can let the exhaust gases go out for heat), giving off heat to the cold outside air along the way. The streams do not mix, and there are ventilation ducts and an air exchanger. All expenses - tin weighing a couple kg as much as possible, and a little rubber.
            Well, I still understand your like-minded person above, who asks me with a caps, how do I know if the designers THINKED about it. I am not a psychic temporologist, I can’t get into the thoughts of the designers of the past. And do not care how what they thought there. The question is not this, but what they have done. And who lied to him that there should be seals? There were no mount sockets under them.
            But then you! Learned the phrase "tank fighting machine"! And something else? Well, there to think a little, find out something ....
    2. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 17: 35 New
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      Engineers designing the tank, apparently every morning began with a prayer addressed to the crew of the future car. That prayer contained a few words - so you die !! Hell heat in summer in the inner volume. Infernal cold in winter. But at any time of the year - the exhaust gases and the evaporation of burnt oil are one to one with air. The Germans simply could not stand it ...

      Crews were sent to the plants for new tanks. And they constantly spoke to the workers and helped in the assembly of tanks. Their opinions were listened to and taken into account. Tanks are constantly improved. For example, two hatches, instead of one, heavy, commander’s turret ... The boys and women gathered them, and the boys rushed to the front, so hard work. We spent the night right in the shops, near workplaces. And the fans on the tanks were, as I recall.
      1. Mikhail3 18 November 2019 12: 55 New
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        Combat crews are not aware of what can be done better. Their work is different. As for the battle itself, they have made improvements. Fans were, right. No mind was attached to them. What for? Vanka will endure ...
  • Jerk 17 November 2019 13: 24 New
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    One of the reasons is the banal unpreparedness of German tank crews to correct arising failures in the field.

    This is generally the principle of Western armies to this day. It is believed that heavily damaged equipment in the field can not be fixed, but easily damaged - it somehow somehow works out before the remaster workshop, because a soldier should only be able to press buttons. Well, Hope heard the tale, how in Syria the lanes in the field of their Humvee could not change the wheel. Blondes driving ...
  • bubalik 17 November 2019 13: 24 New
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    ,,, so they used it to the maximum, only they were not recorded and they were not included in the losses.






    1. bubalik 17 November 2019 13: 29 New
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      1. bubalik 17 November 2019 13: 43 New
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        ,,, well, the machines also did not disdain.








        1. Catfish 17 November 2019 17: 16 New
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          Well, Seryoga! good Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the comments! Just wonderful! In fact, you wrote an independent article here. It was necessary to spread it yourself earlier - there’s how interesting everyone is. smile drinks
          1. bubalik 17 November 2019 17: 22 New
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            Thank you fellow Konstantin, what do you think, the Germans used Soviet equipment in large volumes? Here
            svp67
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            I do not see the name request , says that they say there’s nothing to consider, there are just a lot of pictures. no
            1. Catfish 17 November 2019 17: 27 New
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              Yes, what is there to consider. After all, it’s already quite well known how much and what the Germans captured at the beginning of the war. I can assume that two or three photos are duplicated by different photographers, but not all the same. So I share your opinion, buddy. hi
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                Sea Cat (Constantine) Today, 18: 27
                ,,, were not limited to Soviet trophies, there were such.




                1. Catfish 17 November 2019 18: 23 New
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                  Well ... in the lack of fish ... Something needs to be fought. request
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              Thanks for the comments and photos.
            3. hohol95 18 November 2019 08: 30 New
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              Our BA-10s were in Sweden too!
              In 1942, the command of the Swedish army turned to the Finns with a request to sell several captured Soviet cannon armored vehicles for use as training. On October 26, a contract was signed for the supply of three BA-10 cases at a price of 5000 kroons each. In fact, the Swedes received only armored hulls with a tower - engines, transmissions, weapons and wheels were absent. However, the Swedes brought these vehicles to running condition, and under the designation "pansarbil m / 31 F" they entered the equipment of an infantry school in Rosersberg, near Stockholm. XNUMXHere, these armored cars were operated as training until the end of the 1950s.

              Maxim Kolomiets
              Armor on wheels. The history of the Soviet armored car 1925-1945
  • V. Salama 17 November 2019 13: 49 New
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    Why reluctantly used ...? However used. Had to out of need. And why not use a tank that at the time of its appearance had "uniqueness of combat properties, high technological design and an inexhaustible modernization resource"? This is from the estimates of the English military historian Douglas Orgill and the American - M. Caydin.
    Combat properties are transient, even during one war. The Germans could not use the manufacturability of the design - the paradox of high-tech production. Ah, the use of a modernization resource? Perhaps they did not even know about him until the end of 1943.
    The appearance of this topic, and this can be judged by the comments, is an echo of disputes in terms of informational counteraction to the fact that we could not create anything good but galoshes, this and which tank is better, which gun ...? It’s time to understand that for all its shortcomings, the T-34 was the best, and the TT was the best pistol ... But they were the best for us - our people, our country. And if we created weapons on other principles, we would not have won the war, we simply would not have pulled out economically in those conditions.
  • Ivan Tartugai 17 November 2019 13: 51 New
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    Quote from the article:
    Why? One of the reasons is the banal unpreparedness of German tank crews to correct arising failures in the field.


    What means "in banal unavailability"
    German repair technicians are no worse than Soviet ones. A repair service in the Wehrmacht in the initial period of the war was delivered even better than in the Red Army.
    At the same time, the Wehrmacht was sorely lacking tanks. Used any, including trophy. The main reason for limiting the use of Soviet tanks is this lack of spare parts.
    Whereas for Czech tanks, manufacturing plants were under German control, and the Czechs regularly supplied spare parts for them, it was a problem for Soviet tanks. The Germans had only to collect spare parts on the battlefield, and this is a very unreliable source of supplies.
    Nevertheless due to great need in tanks, captured Soviet tanks were accepted by the Germans for service, so the T 34/76 tank was adopted under the Panzerkampfwagen T-34-747 (r) mark. Similarly, other Soviet tanks.
    For more complicated repairs, already at the end of 1941 the Germans organized a repair base for T 34/76 in Riga, and later in 1943, the company Merzedes-Benz (factory in Mrienfelde) and the company Wumag (factory in Goerlitz) were involved in the repair of tanks.
    German tanks, especially the Tigers, were complex, uncomfortable and capricious in operation. So the powerful gasoline engine of the Tiger required a large volume of high-quality high-octane gasoline, at that time, with the number 75. Several varieties of high-quality oils. Almost any repair was to be carried out only at the factory.
    Naturally, using the Tiger as a trophy did not make sense. Is it for the target at the ranges during the testing of guns, shells, min.
    1. Cetron 17 November 2019 23: 31 New
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      Riga tank repair plant existed before the collapse of the Union.
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  • aiden 17 November 2019 15: 11 New
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    Even the KV-2 was repainted. But most likely not the Germans, but the Finns. They mainly fought in captured tanks
    1. hohol95 19 November 2019 16: 51 New
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      KV-1 and KV-2 were going to use to capture about. Malta.
      Operation Hercules
      Additionally, Operation Hercules involved the 2nd regiment from the VZ66 battalion (2. Kompanie / Panzerabteilung zbV66), partially armed with captured Russian tanks (10 KV-1 and KV-2 were in the regiment). At least 10 Italian landing craft (motozattere) were specially prepared for them, on which the floor and internal ramps for transporting and unloading these heavy tanks were reinforced.

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      The Finns did not have KV-2!
  • NF68 17 November 2019 16: 11 New
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    Both sides quickly began problems caused by a lack of necessary spare parts. This alone significantly reduced the effectiveness of captured equipment. In addition, that of the belligerents, which retreated during a particular period of the war, found itself in an even worse position since the chances of seizing the captured equipment and removing the necessary spare parts from it were minimal.
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  • Evil 55 18 November 2019 07: 35 New
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    There wasn’t enough tyam, either in operation or in repair .. We were afraid of too simple a design and difficulties in management, therefore we didn’t use it. Everything rests on the strength of a mechanic, such-and-such mother and a lucky crew star .. Sights and triplexes - none, visibility is zero, plus only in armor and guns, and even then it is leveled by the fragility of armor and the weakness of shells ..
  • Pavel57 18 November 2019 10: 12 New
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    There were many trophies, the Germans reworked the cannon (F-22), and the planes sold to the finals. Tanks for these reasons used little. The Red Army used self-propelled guns, something like 200, remade their T-III.
  • Mikhail Zubkov 18 November 2019 17: 16 New
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    The Germans significantly modified, brought to mind, our T 34 at the Kharkov Plant. Welded the commander's cupola. The F22 gun was reinforced with its more powerful 76 mm projectile. Debug the box. Clutches and other mechanics and electrics, optics. But the gluttonous dvigun remained gluttonous. Even more uneconomical were the gasoline engines of earlier Soviet tanks. They worked on the Baku aviation gasoline. Aviation gasoline in Germany has always been an acute shortage. German armor and metals in general were better than ours and their tanks were more effective than ours from the beginning to the end of the war. Therefore, all the reasons were to produce and repair mainly their own, and not Soviet, captured equipment, with the exception of a few dozen or hundreds of captured tanks in places of their mass production near Kharkov, near their native plant. AT
    1. hohol95 19 November 2019 17: 12 New
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      The F-22 was a simple divisional weapon. The T-34-76 had the L-11 and F-34!
      And there was no gain in tank guns!
      At the expense of the "vaunted quality" of German armor -
      WASPOT.RU
      Theory of Armored Delusions
      Yuri Pasholok October 21 '19
      German miracle armor and bad shells
      The tank was actually shelled - on board, but not quite. At the Izhora plant, where NII-48 was at that time, they took the cover of the evacuation hatch for firing, replacing it with the same part that was made at the plant. The lid was tested by shelling, and the first 45-mm shell cracked it. No more shelling was carried out from the 45-mm gun - no doubt, all readers can count, and the difference between the numbers 1 and 5 is obvious. Naturally, suspicions arose that it was a thermal effect on the part (it was cut in half before shelling). Therefore, the same part was made of Soviet FD 5634 steel, which was similarly first cut in half, and then fired two shots at the penetration limit (projectile speeds - 525,4 and 564,2 m / s). The penetration of the part did not happen, two dents appeared on the hatch. In total, we have one penetration of German armor 30 mm thick and two non-penetration of Soviet armor of the same thickness, with the same shells being used. That is, everything is exactly the opposite.
      1. Mikhail Zubkov 30 November 2019 22: 20 New
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        L 11 was rejected as the worst possible before the war. For her they replaced Marshal Kulik, this bastard, who rejected 57 mm GRUBINA. If she, and not F 34, were originally put on HF, the Germans would not have been allowed further than Dvinsk and Kiev would not have been surrendered. The front would not be in Klin and Tula, but along the line of the Western Dvina and the Dnieper. And to put 57mm on the T 34 instead of a crappy regiment was elementary. Crews would not have been killed after 20 minutes of firing a cannon. The Germans modified this regiment in Kharkov, together with the tank as a whole, under their shell and muzzle brake. Read Shirokorada. They then put it on their self-propelled guns. About 600 pieces were used.
        1. maximghost 24 January 2020 12: 33 New
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          I understand that I’m doing coffin, but there’s such nonsense ...
      2. Mikhail Zubkov 30 November 2019 22: 26 New
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        It’s difficult for me to compare armor, especially on hatches, which could be hardened by forging. Testing on a single part in a single copy is not conclusive.
  • Dmitry V. 27 December 2019 14: 08 New
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    One of the reasons is the banal unpreparedness of German tank crews to correct arising failures in the field. What could have been the usual thing for a Soviet tanker to “rule” a tank on their own and improvised means, for German tankers it was often unimaginable: there was neither the appropriate equipment, nor specialists who would provide technical assistance to the crew before the battle or when leaving it.


    And what is there to be proud of?
    The car must drive, the tank must fight, and not be repaired regularly.
    Yes, minor breakdowns, the crew must fix it themselves, or participate in the evacuation of a damaged tank, but to repair it - there are re-battles for this.

    And while on the tanks of the first stage of the war, they had to drive speed with a sledgehammer ...
  • ROSS_51 29 January 2020 23: 34 New
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    Bullshit .. The Germans made extensive use of equipment throughout Europe, and on Soviet tanks suddenly stumbled? Could not be repaired, but the modernization was suddenly mastered?
    The author would not hurt to gain knowledge before starting to scribble low-grade articles.