Young foreign agents, get ready for registration!

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On Wednesday, a remarkable event took place in the State Duma of the Russian Federation: the information policy committee recommended the adoption of amendments to the law on foreign agents, allowing this status to be applied to ordinary citizens of Russia, not legal entities. It is clear that it’s not for everyone, but only for those who participate in the creation of materials from foreign media agents or distribute them, or receive money from foreign sources or from their Russian representatives.

The goal of these amendments, as always, is good: to provide greater transparency (for the consumer of information) of where the wind is blowing from. Moreover, the law adopted earlier, in 2017, extended mainly to legal entities. But we do understand that now a different citizen, broadcasting on YouTube and having a couple of millions of subscribers there, can compete with the official television channel in its influence. Moreover, because of the selectivity of the audience, a blogger, as a rule, has much more confidence in his audience than a broadcasting channel for everyone.



Just in case, let’s clarify: we are not talking about censorship or blocking of some, as they now like to say, “opinion leader”. No, according to the norms of the law, he will only have to openly notify his audience that he is a foreign agent. In addition, the legal burden on him will increase significantly: the issue of mandatory legal registration of new foreign agents is being discussed. True, the information policy committee emphasized that only large bloggers recognized by foreign agents will be required to register as legal entities. Moreover, the chairman of the committee on information policy Leonid Levin emphasized that the new rules of the law will not apply to bloggers. The law, he said, will be selective, and its main purpose is to have the possibility of a “mirror response” to our ill-wishers.

Moreover, according to officials who advocate the adoption of new provisions of the law, it will not be automatically applied even to journalists of foreign publications already recognized in Russia as foreign agents. But measures for violation of the new norms of the law have already been provided, and if they are adopted, citizens who violate the procedures for the activity of a foreign media agent will have to pay from 10 000 to 100 000 rubles. For officials, the fine will be from 50 000 to 200 000 rubles, and for legal amounts and even more - from 500 000 to 5 000 000 rubles.

Act what drawbar?


Now, having gone from numbers and officialdom, let's pay attention to some aspects of the issue, which for some reason are almost never discussed now. Moreover, it is in them, as it seems, that there will be the main “hitch” ...

First of all, it seems very strange to me the very question of the selectivity of the application of the law. The law, I remind you, is such a thing that should be applied with equal justice (and obligation!) To everyone! Even talking about the "selective application of the law" is illegal and unacceptable! And even more so if legislators, members of the State Duma speak about this ...

Actually, one of the key markers that determine the necessity and justification of the law is precisely whether it can be applied to absolutely everyone. And if not, it cannot, then the need for its adoption is immediately called into question. For a big question, I’ll notice ...

Further. Let us note the grounds for abuse and corruption that necessarily arise in the case of selective application. So what: the “authorized comrade” phoned a dozen top YouTube bloggers, scared me, then talked privately, and here you have a little apartment for a son, a little girl’s car, a velvet camisole for your beloved dog.

Frankly, it smells like some kind of mental disorder: open talk of lawmakers about the selective application of the laws they adopt. For this, excuse me, get out of the Duma and from the profession.

But if the application is not selective, we get something like this: absolutely all (!!!) YouTube bloggers who monetize their views on this platform should register as foreign agents. And no “if” - they meet the criteria for new legislative initiatives, they receive money from a foreign company, they have some influence on their viewers. And a big blogger or a small one is completely irrelevant now: the size of the channel is not established by law and will be applied selectively as the left foot wants.

KamAZ for offshore ...


Purely theoretically, I understand that these innovations should, according to the intention of their developers, “tame” such “bloggers” as Navalny or Dud. But I’m afraid that it will turn out, as always: the audience of specifically these people do not give a damn about the status of a foreign agent, they will also congratulate Lesha and Yura on this. But for hundreds and thousands of bloggers less, this will mean one thing - to be “on the hook” or really start spending money on lawyers, accounting, and so on.

What do you think, out of how many yet neutral to power bloggers this will make frenzied fighters with the regime? Right - almost all of them. And then they, for once, will have at least some reason for their dislike.

Well, the Kremlin will once again pay for someone’s desire to break their forehead in a fit of loyal lawmaking. Whoever doubts, let him remember the pension reform, which did not solve any of the tasks before it ...

That is, there is a very obvious case of counterproductive lawmaking. Moreover, this time it is generally on the verge of insanity, since it does not even solve structural problems minimally: it will not shut anyone up, bloggers supported from abroad will pay the mentioned fines with a grin, and even expand their audience in the wake of the rising “hype”.

It should be noted that after the so-called law on reposts, the authorities already have certain opportunities to curb too zealous bloggers and video bloggers. Well, a rather strict punishment for disseminating false information, also in accordance with the recent legislative initiative, made many fans of “hype in an adult way” reconcile and finally start to think about what they publish in their social networks and video blogs. The potential of this kind of initiative has been exhausted, then you can only make it worse ...

But it seems that some of our legislators are exactly what they are achieving ...

Alas, the probability that the Duma will nevertheless accept these amendments is quite high. So, you and I will still witness all kinds of flash mobs from hundreds and thousands of bloggers, we will see millions of their young followers asking to write them to foreign agents, or ...

Ljubo will not see anything other than “selective use”, which is very suitable for the old joke. Do you remember? “We made a noise, made a noise, and ate a man” ...

Or maybe soon we will see another truck of cash seized from the “authorized comrade”. There are many thousands of bloggers. Not banks, of course, but little by little, and KamAZ with cash is ready to be sent offshore ...
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  1. +13
    18 November 2019 15: 07
    and life will not become easier
    1. +19
      18 November 2019 15: 13
      And what were the current "democrats" fighting for when the USSR was being brought down? Are you full?

      Goodbye, freedom of speech - hello, cheburnet.
      1. +13
        18 November 2019 16: 02
        Quote: lexus
        Goodbye, freedom of speech - hello, cheburnet.

        Unfortunately or fortunately, Putin simply has no choice but to tighten the screws. This problem is characteristic of almost all usurpers of power, with rare exceptions. Conventional propaganda is no longer doing its job. Channel ratings are steadily declining. People consciously refuse to watch these garbage Kiselevs and choose alternative information on the Internet. In fact, today on the Internet, anyone can find truthful information on a particular event. Scolding and manipulating the flow of information, which are the key tasks of manual propaganda media, are becoming more and more difficult to implement. What is left to do? That's right, narrow the scope of freedom of action for non-controlled sources of information. But still, this will not completely solve the problem for the ruling authorities. So, all the same, for the future generation there is a hope to live to the day when they finally replace this oligarchic power with a more just, socially oriented one.
        1. -13
          18 November 2019 16: 14
          Lord ... what nonsense ... all your logic is based on one and the main thing is delusional - who forgive us the power usurped?))) A person is chosen. by people. usurpation is a violent unlawful seizure of power or misappropriation of authority. you, with your liberal interpretation of ordinary terms, are really bored.
          1. +11
            18 November 2019 16: 20
            Quote: carstorm 11
            who forgive the power usurped?

            Don’t you know? Who in our history over the past 100 years ruled longer than Putin? If he sat until the end of this term, then the duration of the board will be equal to Stalin!
            Quote: carstorm 11
            the person is selected. by people.

            Do not make me laugh. Elections without a choice, yes, create an imitation of choice, but are not so in essence and content. Elections were also held in the Soviet Union, and there too, they regularly selected who they needed. But were these real choices? Of course not.
            1. -4
              18 November 2019 16: 32
              again. it is a Violent seizure of power or authority. no matter how old. elections without a choice? so give this choice damn it! but do not send to the collective farmers who, with all the mischief-makers, then write interviews on radio freedom.
              1. +6
                18 November 2019 16: 45
                Quote: carstorm 11
                no matter how old

                Hey no, dear man! Even as it has. It was written in black and white in the Constitution of the country that a president can only be elected for 2 terms of four years. It was written not just like that, but for reinsurance in the event that no one else could usurp power from the country. And where is this constitution now? That's right, one not a good person just wiped it off.
                Quote: carstorm 11
                so give this choice damn it! don't send collective farmers

                Yes, stop stupid pretending. The election system is built by Putin in such a way as to simply prevent unwanted candidates from registering for elections. Actually, a fresh example, why did Moscow protest all summer long at rallies of many thousands? But because they did not register ANY opposition candidate. And you sing here: give a choice laughing
                1. -8
                  18 November 2019 16: 50
                  I do not care your thoughts. I'm used to clearly quoting the terms and applying them correctly. and I’m pointing you to that. everything else bothers me a little. who how much. I’m even Vanya, even Vova. it makes no difference if life is calm and they don’t interfere with my life.
                  1. +1
                    18 November 2019 16: 55
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    I’m even Vanya, even Vova

                    For some reason, it seems to me that for you there is a difference. Well, we were not born yesterday, right? If you always drown for a specific person and at the same time say that it makes no difference to you, then such people are called LIAR in Russian.
                    1. -10
                      18 November 2019 16: 58
                      am i drowning? for whom?))) I don’t even know such words. I ignore any elections. I’m not getting into politics. only some decisions and their consequences are of interest. and that’s not all. I repeat to you, I only pointed out to you that you use the term knowingly ignoring its meaning and for this reason there is delirium. I didn’t say anything else.
                      1. +9
                        18 November 2019 17: 07
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        am i drowning?

                        Yes 1300 comments in 4 months give you away
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        for whom?

                        Well, not for Zhirinovsky)
                      2. -5
                        18 November 2019 17: 50
                        and I’ll notice not one for anyone))))) purely on specific topics) your local showdowns are generally of little interest to me) I see or know what I’m saying. I do not agitate and do not pour mud at someone. I don’t allow myself to blame or blame someone for my eyes. if you like it and I’ll say if not, sorry. don't think of me. and the quantity is just the curious topic; it’s a sin not to talk to the rare, but still smart people met here and learn something from them.
                2. +1
                  20 November 2019 00: 23
                  Quote: kjhg
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  no matter how old

                  Hey no, dear man! Even as it has. It was written in black and white in the Constitution of the country that a president can only be elected for 2 terms of four years. It was written not just like that, but for reinsurance in the event that no one else could usurp power from the country. And where is this constitution now? That's right, one not a good person just wiped it off.
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  so give this choice damn it! don't send collective farmers

                  Yes, stop stupid pretending. The election system is built by Putin in such a way as to simply prevent unwanted candidates from registering for elections. Actually, a fresh example, why did Moscow protest all summer long at rallies of many thousands? But because they did not register ANY opposition candidate. And you sing here: give a choice laughing

                  Grudinin tried to get out beautifully) they all were taken away and it’s good that they didn’t kill at all, there was probably the only candidate who decided to get into Putin without the knowledge
              2. +1
                18 November 2019 23: 28
                Quote: carstorm 11
                it is an FORCED seizure of power or authority

                But is it not violence, broadcasting only those defined by the various DH programs. Is it not violence when systemic parties really can’t do anything serious without the permission of the presidential administration. Is it not violence, broadcasting state. Media false information during the presidential company. Is it not violence, when judges are appointed by the Kremlin and controlled by the FSB.
                1. +1
                  19 November 2019 06: 29
                  Quote: WIKI
                  Is it not violence, when judges are appointed by the Kremlin and controlled by the FSB.

                  It was the special services that stopped the perestroika unrest and the collapse of the country. And don't make a surprised face. We have the same "democracy" as in the states, the only difference is who steers from the shadows. There is an industrial and banking corporate, and we have those who are now strenuously riveting Rosgvardia and armored personnel carriers to disperse demonstrations. Collective farmers from strawberry hacienda have no place in this system. The triumph of freedoms, equality and so on is a myth. The state is, first of all, a mechanism for preserving itself, a territory forcing the population to preserve itself. How the population is processed to preserve the State is already particular: from harsh tyranny to ideological hypnosis. The whole choice is only which form is less uncomfortable for you.
                  1. 0
                    19 November 2019 16: 32
                    Quote: g1washntwn
                    The state is, first and foremost, a mechanism for preserving itself, a territory forcing the population to preserve itself.

                    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. The state is not power. And what it wants to save there, we see. The rich get richer, and the poor remain poor.
                    1. +1
                      20 November 2019 07: 33
                      The state is a SYSTEM. The population is only part of this system and its resource. Socialist tales leave for dusting brains.
                      1. 0
                        20 November 2019 10: 47
                        Violence in Whom? When the government rapes the constitution to please certain individuals, then later we see who became the beneficiaries of this (Cooperative "Lake").
                      2. 0
                        20 November 2019 12: 02
                        Ha. As if it was different during the construction of socialism. The power of the people was only declared. De facto, it belonged to the Party - the same cooperative. The appearance changes - the meaning is the same at all times. If you are not a beneficiary of this COO or at least its interdependent person, you are just a resource and a tool for this COO to extract profit. These are atavisms of cave times and an animal gene. The idea of ​​communism was nothing, but it is unattainable simply due to the prevalence of the liberal "I" in man and the subconscious desire of everyone to fill their belly first of all - to survive in conditions of competition within the species. Capitalism, however, only provokes such primitive instincts to snatch more and faster than others, to climb to the top of this flock hierarchy. In general, looking at oneself and others, thoughts come that a person has simply invented something about himself with rationality. Nowhere are we more reasonable, in some cases a chicken with a severed head seems to be more sane.
                      3. -1
                        20 November 2019 12: 29
                        I do not want to delve into the jungle of philosophical judgments about the structure of society. I live at the moment, and I'm not happy with what is happening here and now:
                        But is it not violence, broadcasting only those defined by the various DH programs. Is it not violence when systemic parties really can’t do anything serious without the permission of the presidential administration. Is it not violence, broadcasting state. Media false information during the presidential company. Is it not violence, when judges are appointed by the Kremlin and controlled by the FSB.
                        But let philosophers philosophize.
                      4. +1
                        20 November 2019 12: 47
                        Quote: WIKI
                        I do not want to delve into the jungle of philosophical judgments about the structure of society. I live at the moment, and I'm not happy with what is happening here and now

                        How can you reason about something without understanding the basic principles, devices and mechanics? Your words are the excuses of a typical consumer who without hesitation "hawala" the examples you have given "here and now." Forgive me for being straightforward.
                      5. -1
                        20 November 2019 15: 54
                        No matter how many argued about whether Marx or Lenin was right, bad socialism or good, everything ultimately rested on the hands of some comrades. The basic principles, devices and mechanics are not ossified concepts. They are determined by specific people, at a given moment in time, and suggest a certain transformation. Why China could, but the USSR did not? Because he showed flexibility in his approach to different "isms", and did not become obsessed with rigid definitions of the model of his development.
                      6. +2
                        21 November 2019 09: 04
                        The PRC has taken the American path of managing its society - to give its own more bread at the expense of others. All graters between them and the Americans are a competition of two predators. Therefore, I rather cautiously assess the reversal to the East. As for the development of ourselves, neither the RI nor the modern RF could and cannot even claim to be the role of another world predator, even if it fundamentally reformatted self-awareness. In the internal structure, everything is exactly the same.
                        By the way, today is the day of philosophy, congratulations.
                      7. 0
                        21 November 2019 19: 11
                        I do not consider myself a philosopher. More practices. Thank ! And you with a holiday.
          2. +12
            18 November 2019 16: 39
            Quote: carstorm 11
            the person is selected
            Yeah, I just took it right and believed that in Russia 76% voted for Putin. No need to keep people for idiots.
            Quote: carstorm 11
            usurpation is a violent unlawful seizure of power or misappropriation of authority
            Democrats came to power in the early 90s, one of the followers of which is the current president.
            1. -3
              18 November 2019 16: 51
              are we talking about 90? in my opinion no.
              1. +1
                19 November 2019 13: 33
                Quote: carstorm 11
                are we talking about 90? in my opinion no.
                Has the meaning of the term changed since the 90s?
            2. 0
              18 November 2019 16: 59
              in Russia 76% voted in favor

              Your faith doesn’t bother anyone .... The main thing is that the GDP believes in this :))))
          3. 0
            21 November 2019 13: 56
            Who does he choose ?!
        2. +9
          18 November 2019 16: 57
          unfortunately or fortunately, but Putin simply has no other choice,

          Putin’s electorate is dying, 2024 year - now the struggle is for youth - it will be fun ...
        3. +1
          20 November 2019 18: 12
          Why not ? Indeed, in countries of "democracy" and "values" it is applied. And silence.
      2. +33
        18 November 2019 16: 47

        I would attach this sign to deputies and officials who have a residence permit in other countries. Otherwise, it somehow turns out hypocritical.
        1. -14
          18 November 2019 17: 02
          the availability of real estate abroad does not make you an agent. they make you financial income from foreign persons for certain purposes.
          1. +6
            19 November 2019 00: 49
            In the sense of this bill, of course it does not, such a bill will not appear.
            But does foreign control over your property, savings and family members make you a potential foreign agent?
            No, doesn't it? Doesn’t it contribute?
        2. +15
          18 November 2019 17: 07
          Stas hi
          I would attach this sign to deputies and officials who have a residence permit in other countries. Otherwise, it somehow turns out hypocritical.

          Deputies and officials they have a right... And in all senses and ... poses.
          And we, in their unanimous opinion
        3. +2
          20 November 2019 18: 21
          As actor Pugovkin said in the comedy of Gaidai: - Brilliant! I support.
      3. +8
        18 November 2019 17: 28
        The current "democrats" fought for this, "so that they had everything, but they had nothing for it" (words from a popular film), and pass on everything that was appropriated by inheritance. For this, a man-made discord was arranged in the 80s, so that the dissatisfied people went out into the streets and, on the sly, change the socio-political system and destroy the USSR. Exactly the same thing is happening today - every day they pull the noose around our neck, hoping that we will rebel and destroy, now Russia, and we do not even go to the polls to declare our position. If at least 70% come and give this liberal bastard a ride, they will be tortured to manipulate.
      4. 0
        21 November 2019 22: 44
        Goodbye foreign agents.
    2. +11
      18 November 2019 15: 15
      Quote: Igoresha
      and life will not become easier

      It will become .. it will become .. not just a simple people .. For the population they’ll throw niztytaks, and so that the population humbly endures all the hardships, they will tighten the screws .. Everyone who, with doubt or a clear protest, refers to the authorities is a foreign agent ..
      1. -9
        18 November 2019 15: 41
        It is clear that it should be the other way around - all nishtyaks from the population should be taken away and the nuts thrown out.
        Then we will heal.
      2. -5
        18 November 2019 15: 55
        And the "ordinary" people hardly protest. Professional protestants who can be attracted as foreign agents are far from poor people.
    3. +11
      18 November 2019 15: 37
      And they laughed in unison from Ukraine when the "classmates" and "VKontakte" were shut down there! Who are we going to laugh at now ?! Why is Sobchak silent?
      1. +12
        18 November 2019 17: 31
        Sobchachka, like Bulk, from the same flock. An evil-kind investigator is just playing the game.
    4. 0
      18 November 2019 16: 14
      Well this law can make brains work. Before reposting, they will begin to think and verify the information.
  2. +23
    18 November 2019 15: 08
    Does this mean gentlemen deputies or Mr. Solovyov, having real estate abroad, finally recognize themselves as foreign agents?
    1. +19
      18 November 2019 15: 17
      Quote: Gardamir
      Does this mean gentlemen deputies or Mr. Solovyov, having real estate abroad, finally recognize themselves as foreign agents?

      Eco, you waved ... here the list will not be limited to Solovyov .. it may come to the point that the entire leadership of the country turns out to be a foreign agent .. Which, by the way, will be true ..
      1. +9
        18 November 2019 15: 28
        Vladimir hi
        They bring our values ​​there! Tangible naturally laughing
        1. +13
          18 November 2019 15: 32
          Alexey hi Mnogohodovochki they have for not very thoughtful people .. and for their loved ones exactly as in the photo ..
          1. -13
            18 November 2019 15: 42
            What a blessing that we have you, so thoughtful.
            And by the way, why are you so fussed about?
        2. -8
          18 November 2019 16: 22
          He has every right - he is not a civil servant. Maybe you decide for me, where should I go to rest, and where not to go? Thank God the party committees are gone.
          1. +16
            18 November 2019 16: 44
            Of course it does. Only there is nothing then to rub in every evening on TV about the evil West, the hated State Department, Geyrop and "how they want to capture us, but the almighty Putin does not give." And so Solovyov is the most ordinary hypocrite, who, in addition to everything else, has completely gone off the rails recently and snaps at any criticism. Is this behavior of a journalist and TV presenter worthy? Hardly...
            1. -2
              19 November 2019 10: 58
              Solovyov is still .... I remember briefly heard him flaming a speech-Zelensky has no party, there is no adminresus, he will not pass. Just like a cartridge, congratulating Yanukovych on his victory before the first Maidan.
        3. +3
          18 November 2019 16: 41
          Who would have stuffed his face out there from the heart. There, I suppose he feels himself safe, goes without protection, is not afraid to run into the "love" of his compatriots.
    2. +5
      18 November 2019 15: 20
      No, he does not recognize that Bo is a citizen of Russia and also earns money in Russia. And we are talking about sources of funding.
      ..
      To draw an analogy, Kovtun, a citizen of Ukraine, is a foreign agent for Ukraine, and Posner, a citizen of America, for America. Bo both are funded in Russia .. (something like that, although there may be a question: earnings is one thing, grants are another)
      1. +5
        18 November 2019 15: 39
        Quote: Svetlana
        And we are talking about sources of funding.

        And if he earns 100 rubles there, and 10 here, then how?
        1. +7
          18 November 2019 16: 04
          Vladimir hi
          And if he earns 100 rubles there, and 10 here, then how?

          Real "Grants" for the provision of "services" of a certain nature get much more here

          For outstanding results they are very loved and appreciated in a narrow circle. laughing
          1. +11
            18 November 2019 16: 13
            What I mean. I turn on, for example, the TV, our national football team is there. Does it affect minds? Yeah. If it blows, let the screensaver be set: "Such and such players are foreign agents. Arshavin is Kazakh, Bazelyuk is Portuguese, Panyukov is Lithuanian ..." laughing
            1. +2
              18 November 2019 16: 19
              And what if they will then need to be put in the State Duma, like symbols of scrapbooking? laughing
            2. -1
              18 November 2019 16: 30
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              What I mean. I turn on, for example, the TV, our national football team is there. Does it affect minds? Yeah. If it blows, let the screensaver be set: "Such and such players are foreign agents. Arshavin is Kazakh, Bazelyuk is Portuguese, Panyukov is Lithuanian ..." laughing


              Gosha! Long time you did not watch football. Arshavin, Bazelyuk ... However, not Garrincha and Pele ... Not all is lost. There are chances. But you need to start smoothly. At the beginning of the Premier League. Then we smoothly proceed to the Europa League. Coursework - a month. And then the shock dose of the Champions League. I'm at home. And then you can start the national teams.
              1. +6
                18 November 2019 16: 42
                Quote: sergo1914
                Long time you did not watch football.

                Alas, yes. I don’t watch TV for a long time. So, I turn it on sometimes.
                1. +3
                  19 November 2019 00: 20
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  I don’t watch TV for a long time. So, I turn it on sometimes.

                  What did you want to see? Apart from the weather forecast, there is nothing there. Not long ago, Ernest complained: "The Internet is killing television. Even ads are running off the Internet." And what did he do to make it interesting to watch TV?
    3. +12
      18 November 2019 15: 22
      interesting, but the citizen of England on the central channel will also start the news release by informing about his affiliation with agents ??? laughing
    4. -7
      18 November 2019 16: 16
      and what does the real estate abroad excuse me?) you do not understand the concept of a foreign agent after reading?)))
  3. +5
    18 November 2019 15: 08
    Chekists (in power), they are also Chekists in Africa ....
    1. +6
      18 November 2019 16: 31
      Quote: nikolai.kolya
      Chekists (in power), they are also Chekists in Africa ....


      Felix Edmundovich would refute you.
      1. +6
        18 November 2019 20: 57
        Quote: sergo1914
        Felix Edmundovich would refute you.

        current Chekists to Felix, like walking to the moon. Felix did not ride in the Gelenvagen
        1. 0
          19 November 2019 06: 40
          Yes, all the same, ideologically, only in a jump changed shoes into usurers. It was and only because of this irrepressible desire of the USSR that they collapsed.
          The glitter of gold overshadowed the heroes' mind ...
    2. -1
      18 November 2019 16: 39
      These are not Chekists. What are you speaking about?
  4. +1
    18 November 2019 15: 19
    Somehow one-sided article is written. In general, it will be interesting to see what happens. By the way
    absolutely all (!!!) YouTube bloggers monetizing their views on this platform,
    These, which are "absolutely everything", do they pay taxes? Or are they on the line of not working?
    1. +18
      18 November 2019 15: 23
      Quote: Less
      These, which are "absolutely everything", do they pay taxes? Or are they on the line of not working?

      Self-employed they laughing and do not look for taxes from those. Progressive tax why not introduce? That's right, the rich do not want to be divided, but poverty must be cut from poverty ..
      1. -3
        18 November 2019 15: 30
        Quote: Svarog
        They’re self-employed and not those who are looking for taxes

        Why not those? Are they any special?
        1. +9
          18 November 2019 15: 45
          Quote: Less
          Quote: Svarog
          They’re self-employed and not those who are looking for taxes

          Why not those? Are they any special?

          Because there are pennies .. and rubles in a progressive tax .. for those who put gold toilets in their 1000sq.m dacha .. yes for those who take money offshore .. They have to look there, but they don’t want to, because a raven a raven’s eye will not peck .. but the population is silent so far you can rob ..
          1. -3
            18 November 2019 15: 48
            Quote: Svarog
            Because there are pennies .. and rubles in progressive tax

            There is no progressive tax yet. Therefore, I am interested in the collection of existing taxes. If they earn, then they must pay tax. Do you disagree with me?
          2. -16
            18 November 2019 15: 52
            Do you think the introduction of a progressive tax will increase fees? A progressive tax will lead only to one thing - to the flight of capital. And so the investment climate here is not special.
            1. +9
              18 November 2019 15: 55
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Do you think the introduction of a progressive tax will increase fees? A progressive tax will lead only to one thing - to the flight of capital. And so the investment climate here is not special.

              And now your capital is doing what .. crouches? Throw you this liberal nonsense about investment climate ..
              1. +4
                18 November 2019 16: 00
                For the economy to begin to spin, taxes need to be REDUCED. And do not strangle the business.
                1. +4
                  18 November 2019 16: 01
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  For the economy to begin to spin, taxes need to be REDUCED. And do not strangle the business.

                  And here I agree .. and so do everywhere .. but not in Russia ..
                2. +2
                  18 November 2019 16: 11
                  And then we have all businessmen pay taxes in full! Wherever you look, part of the salary in envelopes is everywhere. Officially spend only minimal.
                  1. +4
                    18 November 2019 16: 12
                    Quote: tatarin1972
                    And then we have all businessmen pay taxes in full! Wherever you look, part of the salary in envelopes is everywhere. Officially spend only minimal.

                    And they will pay in white, they will go bankrupt .. here we have such an economy ..
                    1. -2
                      18 November 2019 16: 17
                      If there is a desire, for certain people, then believe me, they will pay everything to the penny.
                      1. +4
                        18 November 2019 16: 19
                        And the mass of enterprises will close.
                      2. -2
                        18 November 2019 16: 46
                        Business must be liquidated and more this word should not be used, it is alien in essence and content But work, for all, without exception, is very desirable. For s / n and not for the gain.
                      3. 0
                        18 November 2019 16: 51
                        What, again, state-owned enterprises? Welcome to the line! No, I do not argue, mining, railway transport, defense, should be with the state. Everything else is in private hands. Otherwise - hello scoop.
                      4. +3
                        18 November 2019 17: 47
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        What, again, state-owned enterprises? Welcome to the line! No, I do not argue, mining, railway transport, defense, should be with the state. Everything else is in private hands.

                        Again, I agree ..
                      5. +7
                        18 November 2019 20: 47
                        We have such a "democratic" state that even secondary education is now paid, schools are now engaged not in teaching and upbringing (as in the USSR), but in providing services.
                      6. +1
                        18 November 2019 21: 17
                        Where is secondary education paid?
                      7. 0
                        19 November 2019 08: 10
                        This is for you, huckster scoop, and for us the Soviet Union and Soviet power. And the queue is an easily correctable phenomenon, it’s enough, not a lot, to change the balance of heavy and defense in the direction of consumer goods and voila ... Well, to wean friends from freebies who have embarked on the same path of building society. Help - but mutually beneficial. But with such a system, there are no riddlers who criminally seized the national heritage and dictate bourgeois morality and a way of life to all people. Horse racing for success, walking on the head of one's neighbor, individualism and selfishness is unnatural for most people. Predators tend to this, and it’s better to keep them in a cage (with a kyle and a saw in their paws).
                      8. +3
                        19 November 2019 13: 48
                        Dear, first lobby for the creation of jobs with decent salaries, and then close the business. Obviously, a person has never encountered running a business, he thinks that everything just opened and money flowed into the river.
                      9. -1
                        19 November 2019 16: 14
                        You did not understand the point; I’m talking about eliminating the very possibility of enrichment, which leads to what we have been observing for 30 years since the time we destroyed the country of social justice.
                        "In the name of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the court sentenced to the highest measure for embezzlement of Socialist property on an especially large scale ..." Bang and no huckster. And others are not familiar. And no official thought of a personal five-story palace with golden toilet bowls and a 100-meter yacht.
                      10. 0
                        19 November 2019 21: 48
                        Explain who exactly do you think hucksters? What are the criteria?
                      11. 0
                        21 November 2019 14: 39
                        You watch how medveputki minus you, as much steam goes behind your ears
                      12. -1
                        19 November 2019 16: 39
                        Maximum cafe or felting felt boots. You, wife and mother-in-law. Not any employees. We hire the prerogative of the state in the person of the director of the enterprise and the personnel department, according to the strict rules of the Labor Code and tariff schedules. Otherwise, you are a backbone, with all the consequences.
                      13. +2
                        19 November 2019 00: 34
                        Quote: tatarin1972
                        If there is a desire, for certain people, then believe me, they will pay everything to the penny.

                        It is already there tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
                        https://topwar.ru/opinions/
            2. -1
              18 November 2019 16: 50
              you are partly right ... it is possible to introduce a progressive tax, but then you need to abolish the "tax rule" for resource companies (including state ones) ... will it be better for the economy .... big question)))
              1. 0
                21 November 2019 13: 12
                why it is necessary to cancel if one is taxation of legal entities, and the other individual?
                1. 0
                  21 November 2019 13: 58
                  Income tax is the main form of direct taxes. It is calculated as a percentage of the total income of individuals or legal entities minus documented expenses, in accordance with applicable law.
                  This is a quote from pedagogy.
                  1. 0
                    21 November 2019 16: 28
                    Income tax and its types in the Russian Federation:
                    Individual: TaxIncomeFizLits -13%;
                    Legal entity: income tax Legal entity-20%.
                    this is from practice)
                    There is no hard link between legal entities and individuals in the system
            3. 0
              19 November 2019 03: 03
              But can’t it be possible to prevent the flight of capital proactively?
              Will "material" values ​​run too? (Factories, mines, etc.).
              Or with a suitcase, like belloimmigration, they will run away and stop earning more, just to not pay a tax higher than it was?
          3. +7
            18 November 2019 17: 46
            Dachas of 1000sq.m are now owned by the "poorest" ones. Here a simple official Siluanov on Rublevka dumped the palace for 2 lard, what can we say about the guys from Forbes. And there are over a hundred of them ... Almost all Russian property (at least nominally) is owned by a few percent of families. They also own the state.
      2. +2
        18 November 2019 16: 26
        do not write nonsense. with constant replenishment of the account, in any case, they begin to check you. all popular bloggers pay taxes because they don’t receive money in cash. which means they are in plain sight. previously issued FE now you can still become self-employed. Now, upon receipt of money, the bank will easily block you until you show their origin. I throw a decent amount to my ex-wife on a card; she already blocked the card. She had to show where she got this money from. the whole concert was sorted out so far.
        1. +10
          18 November 2019 17: 08
          About "capital flight" ... Where will he run? To the West, where the progressive tax is even higher?

          From the 1998 of the year, a progressive taxation scale has been in effect in Russia, before the tax reform of the 2000 of the ...
          Under Putin, the tax system for oligarchs was immediately abolished and the burden of maintaining the state was shifted to the population. Including the poor, continuing to raise VAT.

          The effectiveness of the transition from a progressive scale to a single is greatly exaggerated.
          Interesting fact. In developed countries with strong economies, flat taxation is not used!

          In fact, a direct scale of income taxation is used only in poor European countries, countries where power is completely dependent on the whims of oligarchic structures. And in almost all countries of the former USSR. Maybe that's why, in the last two years, the question of switching to a progressive personal income tax scale in Russia has been raised more and more often?
  5. +1
    18 November 2019 15: 22
    Wow, the bloggers are alarmed !!!
  6. 0
    18 November 2019 15: 30
    Leonid Levin - it’s clear where the wind is blowing. In Tel Aviv, I suppose I would not allow myself this.
  7. +7
    18 November 2019 15: 38
    Those who have monetization on Youtube, they will be "foreign agents", and beauty bloggers, cat lovers, and dog lovers with their videos will fly in there. The law is stupid and about nothing, like all the latest legislation. And the application of the law in our country is certainly "not selective", and it is very interesting when a plastic cup has a much greater public danger than a bloody maniac-Napoleon.
  8. +1
    18 November 2019 15: 41
    - Chairman of the Committee on Information Policy Leonid Levin.
    I will not say anything again.
  9. +6
    18 November 2019 15: 45
    “First of all, it seems to me that the very posing of the question of selective application of the law is very strange to me. Let me remind you that the law is such a thing that should be applied with equal justice (and obligatoryness!) To everyone! Even talk about“ selective application of the law ”is illegal and inadmissible! And even more so if legislators, members of the State Duma are talking about it ... "
    The law is binding on everyone. Therefore, the law.
    1. +7
      18 November 2019 15: 51
      Quote: kalibr
      The law is binding on everyone. Therefore, the law.

      Russia has long forgotten that the law is mandatory for everyone .. for some it is not mandatory at all ..
  10. +7
    18 November 2019 15: 58
    I propose to immediately appropriate this foreign agent in the hospital. not to be mistaken.
  11. +3
    18 November 2019 16: 03
    This is the intellectual level of our legislators, what can we do ... Yes, we need to pinch foreign agents! But no one even hopes that our "legislative branch of government" has enough brains for this. What is it for?
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    0
    18 November 2019 17: 47
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    For the economy to begin to spin, taxes need to be REDUCED. And do not strangle the business.

    And if taxes are reduced to him, will they lower prices?
    1. 0
      19 November 2019 13: 52
      Prices not only depend on taxes, but rather it will allow us to develop and create jobs.
  13. for
    +1
    18 November 2019 17: 51
    Quote: Svarog

    And they will pay in white, they will go bankrupt .. here we have such an economy ..

    Yes, they pay taxes, but also in envelopes.
    1. +1
      19 November 2019 13: 52
      You made my day. laughing good
  14. +7
    18 November 2019 18: 01
    Well, it remains to let the guys in "Words and Deeds" and there will be silence. With modern technology, anyone can be brought under these articles.
    Here are the owners of foreign real estate, admitted to the air - they are, of course, "domestic agents". bully
  15. +5
    18 November 2019 18: 52
    Quote: Stas157

    I would attach this sign to deputies and officials who have a residence permit in other countries. Otherwise, it somehow turns out hypocritical.


    Moreover, this plate corresponds to 8 out of 10 located at the trough.
    Strangle those who are corrupting the country need who argue.
    But for some reason, our Inquisition is somehow strange.
    Colonels of power structures tossing yards of rubles and hundreds of kilograms (911 Kg cash were found by the colonel of the valiant FSB), officially give half of the funds and receive almost complete indulgence.
    And grannies who wrote in social networks about the dominance of migrants, or fantasy girls who think they are revolutionaries, get the full program (this passage is not about the freak who defiled the Temple).
    The embezzlers of various stripes are so insolent that they don’t even fly to London to sit, because "everything is decided on the spot".

    “Russia is shaken by high-profile corruption scandals. "Zakharchenko’s case", “Cherkalin’s case”, crime around the Vostochny spaceport[b] [/ b]. Billions of cash are confiscated from former security officials, comparable to the budgets of entire cities. Swindlers from the state power, as well as businessmen associated with them, are trying to hide abroad. The European Union has already realized the danger of the current situation and is trying to squeeze them out of their countries. Who is plundering Russia and who is covering up for this crime? We are talking about this today in the Pronko.Economy program with the head of the National Anti-Corruption Committee Kirill Kabanov. "


  16. +9
    18 November 2019 20: 53
    Or the denyuzhka will come to the same author’s account, even without his knowledge, and then the uncles will come and say - Victor, and you have a foreign agent, here you have translations from abroad.
    “I don’t know who sent them to me; I don’t know.”
    "Oh, you don’t know where the money is from? You are lying to us." Here you have a fine of 100k, and the stigma is that a foreign agent

    ... and after a couple of years, more fines will be introduced, plus criminal liability, when the people get used to it.

    A good tool for censorship, and income to the budget. The dream of any official
  17. +5
    18 November 2019 20: 55
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    But for some reason, our Inquisition is somehow strange.
    Colonels of power structures tossing yards of rubles and hundreds of kilograms (911 Kg cash were found by the colonel of the valiant FSB), officially give half of the funds and receive almost complete indulgence.
    And grannies who wrote in social networks about the dominance of migrants, or fantasy girls who think they are revolutionaries, get the full program (this passage is not about the freak who defiled the Temple).


    YOU yourself answered the question. Because in the first case, millions are entered, and in the second case - Zero.
  18. -1
    19 November 2019 00: 33
    I with both paws FOR. Based on bills, the indent cannot be a deputy of the State Duma and participate in committees. The last bill pushed by the LGBT community that destroys the foundation of society is formed by the LGBT community of the EdRa committee. We also need an amendment, that in the case of the presence of inagents in party committees, it will be deprived of mandates and disqualified for 10 years!
  19. 0
    19 November 2019 00: 46
    Yeah, VO turned from a patriotic one into the main stronghold against Putin. And this is the main merit of the moderators of this site. Have you ever looked that the change of power is not possible in the USA, but not in other countries. You carefully look who sits in the congress and in what generation. Rebya, open your eyes ... I will always recognize my namesake Roman from 5 lines.
    1. 0
      19 November 2019 22: 05
      laughing In the United States, unlike our country, a change of power IS!!! Republicans on Democrats, Democrats. Democrats on Republicans ... Vote for whoever you want ... of these two laughing And most importantly, there is no ban on creating another party ... BUT!!! The system of requirements and the deadlines for their implementation is structured in such a way that no one will ever fulfill these requirements. There is a choice. Rather, the illusion of choice.
      And returning to this law. And that with our arbitrariness anyone can be brought under this law. I want to remind members of the forum about the recent history with Maria Butina. How she was famously packaged as a foreign agent. And then the choice: either you confess and after a little sitting you fly home. Either you fight for the truth and you will do it sitting in prison for 15 years for sure. This is about our "arbitrariness" and their "rule of law".
      I also want fair elections and candidates who are not representatives of elite groups pursuing their own selfish interests. But unfortunately this does not happen. Nowhere.
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      2. 0
        22 November 2019 07: 47
        Oh, sorry I didn't have time to read the answer that was written to my comment. And judging by the fact that it was removed, the answer was in the typical style of our fighters against the regime. On the facts that in "any normal country" ™ everything is done the same is only served in a beautiful wrapper. And it comes to us only in the form of a professionally made "photograph" of this beautiful wrapper. There will be only one answer. Insults.
    2. 0
      20 November 2019 14: 12
      Quote: ingener1966
      Yeah, VO turned from a patriotic one into the main stronghold against Putin. And this is the main merit of the moderators of this site ....


      You are wrong, the main merit belongs to the government and its policies (social, economic, etc.), which it pursues in the country. But not oligarchs, deputies or top-level officials are sitting on VO, but people who live in Russia, and the fact that Putin is losing the support of the population is a normal process, because it would be strange on the contrary if it had not been lost, given the mess that is in the country .... but you don’t have to nod at the USA, we live here and not there.
  20. -1
    19 November 2019 05: 37
    a good idea .. the question is in implementation! any law can be perverted .. if used in the opposite direction!
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  22. +2
    19 November 2019 10: 35
    Press the kids to the nail, we’ll tackle the cats!
  23. 0
    19 November 2019 12: 44
    at the mention of the State Duma I clearly see a fat masturbator trying to conceive a child in the only way he knows
  24. +1
    20 November 2019 18: 19
    Quote: Stas157
    I would attach this sign to deputies and officials who have a residence permit in other countries.

    As actor Pugovkin said in the comedy of Gaidai: - Brilliant! I support.
  25. 0
    25 November 2019 11: 53
    )) And officials who have money in the west, children, villas !? They will be given the title of PATRIOT ??))