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US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

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US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

Russian Soyuz spacecraft will soon become unnecessary, as the United States will send American astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) by its own manned spacecraft until March 2020. This statement was made by US Vice President Michael Pence.


Speaking at the Joseph Ames Research Center in California, Pence said that this spring the United States would allegedly send its astronauts to the ISS in their own manned spacecraft, which would mean abandoning the use of Russian Unions.

Before the spring of next year, we will see how an American astronaut in an American spaceship from American territory goes into space. We will have our own means of delivery into orbit, and we will no longer need to fly on Russian ships

- he said.

According to the politician, the United States has been using Russian spacecraft to deliver its astronauts to the ISS since 2011. The resumption of flights of US manned spacecraft is associated with the desire of US President Donald Trump to become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon.

Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not quite up to the plans of NASA, or is simply trying to wishful thinking. The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration did not and does not intend to abandon flights on the Russian Soyuz not only in the near future, but also after launching the program of manned flights of US ships to the ISS.

According to Roskosmos data provided at the end of October, the head of NASA Brydenstein requested additional seats on the Russian Soyuz in the 2020-2021 years due to delays in the program of building American ships to deliver astronauts to the ISS.

Recall that in the framework of the program for the resumption of manned flights in the United States, new manned spacecraft have been developed: Crew Dragon by SpaceX and Starliner by Boeing. After conducting unmanned and manned flights to the ISS, they are expected to be certified by NASA and further used to deliver astronauts into orbit. Earlier in the United States, it was announced that the first manned flight of American astronauts in their own ship is planned for the 2020 year.

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  1. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 15 November 2019 12: 27 New
    +9
    "Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not quite up to NASA plans, or just trying to pass out as wishful thinking."
    Bush Jr. also confused Iraq with Iran ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 15 November 2019 12: 48 New
      +6
      Pence is very stupid, so he can drive any blizzard, perhaps for intelligence and misinformation, so he can’t serve as a source of information.
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 15 November 2019 13: 24 New
        +5
        First I would have delved into the topic, and then clanged my tongue about the uselessness of the "Unions" for American astronauts.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 15 November 2019 13: 36 New
          0
          They do not delve into topics, the main view is to create.
          Anxious for American Astronauts
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 16 November 2019 14: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: maxim947
            jealously for american astronauts

            I'm more worried about the hamsters Ilona Mask. How to rattle, how to wheedle, In October we will send a manned ship ..... crying But in reality, everything is on a trampoline .. And how they laughed. What Ate, lovers, of Western democracy? laughing And half a year ago, everyone was bragging. What, without Russia, no where? Well now, I'll rest. If these liberoids had even a drop of honesty, they could apologize. At least for those disadvantages that they piled on me on this topic.
      2. major147
        major147 15 November 2019 16: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: hydrox
        therefore, it can drive any snowstorm,

        Which in the USA goes "with a bang!"
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 15 November 2019 12: 49 New
      +10
      The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft is due to the desire of US President Donald trump become the first state to deliver to the moon their citizens.

      Here, many claimed, the Americans were on the moon ... Prove it to Trump!

      Although there’s nothing to be especially happy about! After all, we on the moon will not even be second.
      1. SSR
        SSR 15 November 2019 12: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        Here, many claimed, the Americans were on the moon ... Prove it to Trump!

        And without this, the “conquerors of the moon" are not the same as passengers constantly begs.)))
        PS.
        Actually the fact that now the "competition" in the future can become just like the "Cosmoflot Earthlings".
      2. Rostislav Prokopenko
        Rostislav Prokopenko 15 November 2019 13: 52 New
        +2
        In-in, Donnie slept not childishly laughing
        Well, the Chinese will be the first people there, so what? Our lunar rover is parked somewhere there :-)
        And will they fly there? Looking for a moon hare there?
        In space (both in orbit and in open), we were definitely the first.
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 15 November 2019 16: 02 New
        0
        Well, why?
        Even Dunno visited us there: is he very different from those Americans who have already "visited" the moon? laughing
    3. lwxx
      lwxx 15 November 2019 14: 18 New
      0
      And ours are not in the know - in 2020 Russia intends to increase the number of launches of Soyuz family missiles for federal and commercial customers, said Dmitry Baranov, director general of the Progress Rocket and Space Center. Since Yusovtsy have already requested additional places for UNIONS.
      1. slipped
        slipped 15 November 2019 17: 21 New
        0
        Quote: lwxx
        Since Yusovtsy have already requested additional places for UNIONS.


        Baranov meant the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle. In 2020, there will probably be over 20 launches of these missiles.
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 15 November 2019 23: 49 New
      -1
      Well, to Psaki, of course, to him like to the moon))))
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 15 November 2019 12: 27 New
    +7
    It is always necessary to separate when the politician of the US State Department speaks and when the NASA specialist ... these are completely different people in terms of knowledge and understanding of space realities.
    1. knn54
      knn54 15 November 2019 12: 40 New
      +3
      Soon, the elections must be typed “+.” The vice president for a second term is also good.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 15 November 2019 12: 43 New
        +1
        Soon the election, it is necessary to type "+".

        Well, not Pence will fly into space where there are dangers of various ranks and status ... he can chat about anything but only specialists in their field work in space and they render their verdict on what they fly ... Pence is a swindler and a crook.
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 15 November 2019 12: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      You always need to separate when a US State Department politician speaks and when a NASA specialist ...

      From the article:
      The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft is due to the desire of US President Donald trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon.

      So were the Americans on the moon or not? Maybe there were not US citizens there and Trump now decided to send the Americans. NASA says one thing, the State Department is different, so understand them ... request winked
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 15 November 2019 13: 19 New
        +3
        Right Not a single Indian was on the moon! Those who can be called Americans.
        And Armstrong and Aldrin are British, and, possibly, Ukrainians ...
        1. RideMaster
          RideMaster 15 November 2019 14: 01 New
          +3
          You are not kidding about Ukrainians. And then they will read and really believe.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 15 November 2019 19: 36 New
            0
            If they believe, is it possible that they can take up the mind? laughing
      2. Nenie Lynn
        Nenie Lynn 15 November 2019 18: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        So were the Americans on the moon or not? Maybe there were not US citizens

        you better quote the original, and do not make a sensation because of an illiterate translator. again google action translators indulge in ?? laughing
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 15 November 2019 12: 28 New
    +4
    Russian Soyuz spacecraft will soon become unnecessary

    soon the concept is expandable ....
    send an American astronaut first on an American spaceship from American territory ... then declare! yes
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 15 November 2019 13: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Mouse
      soon the concept is expandable ....

      not extensible, but incorrect. For every year the ISS shortens its life for a year, and the Americans stretch out another two years - then the Dragons and Starliners will be in principle unnecessary - as long as you master the production, the need will disappear.
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      2. Mouse
        Mouse 15 November 2019 13: 29 New
        +1
        I would still say .... indefinite in space and time! wink
  4. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 15 November 2019 12: 28 New
    +5
    "US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions
    - Is this White House comrade aware that their astronauts have been flying these “unnecessary” Unions for the last decade ??
    1. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 15 November 2019 12: 36 New
      0
      What will they fly on the mask? laughing
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 15 November 2019 12: 30 New
    +1
    Somewhere in the ISS Russian segment, a man with a quiet sigh took off the cover from the gunner-gunner’s chair ...
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  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 November 2019 12: 33 New
    0
    You can argue as much as you like ... but judging by the next application for seats in the UNION ... while the guys are afraid to fly on their hardware ... they insure ... they stack straws in stacks ... well, politicians never answer for words .. Well, and even more so American ... well, and the elections are again on the nose))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 November 2019 13: 29 New
      -3
      Well, Dragon2 does - In-flight abort test at Max Q in 3 weeks. If success - then the next on the ISS with the crew.

      StarLiner - 17 December Starliner Boe-OFT on 30 days automatic mission. If success. That is followed by humans. There, Max Q seems to be done separately. They have already shot off the table and that’s enough.


      For the 2020 year, Starliner has planned 2 manned flights.
      1. Procopius Nesterov
        Procopius Nesterov 15 November 2019 13: 37 New
        +1
        In June 2019, they wanted to launch the Dragon with a man on board, but on trials the ship exploded.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 November 2019 13: 39 New
          -1
          No, they wanted to do in June Max Q and on one of the checks the ship exploded. The reason was localized and corrected. The updated ship will be allowed to launch the same test in 3 weeks.

          Humans will fly after Max Q.
          1. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 15 November 2019 13: 42 New
            -1
            What is not that? In the spring, on all forums, Mask fans yelled that a person would fly in June 2019.
            Successfully corrected will only show tests. Will explode or not.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 15 November 2019 13: 48 New
              -1
              Well, the system for Mask is as follows:
              Full-profile unmanned flight (success) - Max Q (the ship did not live up to this test) - manned flight to the ISS.

              If it hadn’t exploded, but performed Max Q, then the astronauts would have flown already this year.

              The system for Boeing is as follows:
              abortion test (success) - full unmanned full-flight unmanned flight (December 17) - manned flight to the ISS.

              If Mask hadn’t exploded, then they flew. If there were no stoppage of financing in the USA and the departure of 3 months for the project + another 3-5 months of additional delays due to fixes and improvements, then Boeing would launch astronauts. Well, there’s a slight delay. The fact is that they have 2 systems at the final stage right away.
      2. JonnyT
        JonnyT 15 November 2019 15: 48 New
        0
        Cool, soared like an uncontrollable Chinese firecracker. Smokes like Admiral Kuznetsov. Again, is it prudent to use a braking engine system and why then shoot it? Difficult, dangerous, unreliable!
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 November 2019 15: 53 New
          -2
          In the sense? They worked off - with a rocket explosion on the table. The most extreme option for the Boeing system.

          They constructively pull out the entire ship along with the instrument-aggregate. And then it is desirable to dump it. Which was shown.
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 15 November 2019 16: 14 New
            0
            Ah, now it’s clear. I lag behind space fashion. All the same, in my opinion, a mini rocket from above is somehow more reliable and safer than a combustible mixture under the bottom. Can you tell me if these engines will be used during landing for preliminary braking?
            1. zlinn
              zlinn 15 November 2019 19: 08 New
              -2
              the raccoon racket has a significant drawback, especially in the allied version, it is cleared together with the head fairing, and, accordingly, it will save the upper stage in the event of an accident
              1. slipped
                slipped 15 November 2019 21: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: zlinn
                it is reset together with the head fairing, and, accordingly, it will save the upper stage in an accident


                She is not dumped with GO. She flies away before GO, since her work is required only in the initial stage of launch. In an accident of the upper stage, the ship itself is disconnected.
  7. Last centurion
    Last centurion 15 November 2019 12: 33 New
    +1
    Well, the stump is clear that sooner or later they will fly on their own. Not at the beginning of 2020 so in 2021 ... What is it about? China flies and maintains its own station and does not bomb anyone from this. It is even strange that the United States still does not fly its own way. Import substitution ..
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 15 November 2019 12: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Last centurion
      China flies and contains its station

      Fly on copies of our Unions and use our technologies.
      Quote: Last centurion
      sooner or later they will fly on their own
      Well, es-seasoned. Only such things are not done with the kondachka. In such technologies, experience is sometimes much more important than technology.
  8. yuratanja1950
    yuratanja1950 15 November 2019 12: 38 New
    +4
    "The resumption of US manned spacecraft flights is due to the desire of US President Donald trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon"...,

    Strange ... What, Trump confirms the fact of the fictitious flights of American astronauts to the moon? laughing
    1. Iwan_de
      Iwan_de 15 November 2019 19: 16 New
      0
      After this flight, the USSR abandoned its lunar program.
      1. Iwan_de
        Iwan_de 15 November 2019 19: 17 New
        0
        There was an opportunity to poke ov.
  9. Advisor to the Council of Advisers
    Advisor to the Council of Advisers 15 November 2019 12: 40 New
    +1
    The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft due to the desire of US President Donald trump first a state that will deliver its citizens to the moon.

    What does it mean?
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 15 November 2019 12: 41 New
    0
    US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

    Oh, how is it for the first time sz!
  11. gx200gx
    gx200gx 15 November 2019 12: 47 New
    0
    Already got the "partners" - give up our engines, and as for Rogozin - at least start with trampolines!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 November 2019 13: 35 New
      +2
      This year, the United States launched 23 space rockets from them:
      On April 17, the launch of Antares with the ISS supply mission under a contract with NASA - Russian engines. At the same time, the Antares program is in fact closed (for expensive, only NASA bought for the ISS) - the engines for the entire program are contracted. They have a new rocket on other engines.

      8 August Atlas5 with military satellite.

      2 November Antares again on the ISS supply.

      Everything. Of the 20 missiles, 3 depend on Russian engines.

      Until the end of the year, 5 launches are planned, of which only 1 Atlas with the Starliner Boe-OFT on the ISS.

      If everything flies there will be 28 launches of which 4 on missiles with Russian engines.

      Next year, several more private and corporate LVs will fly to the United States. Everything is also on its engines.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 15 November 2019 19: 21 New
        -6
        YULA also has 28 engines in stock, so that they may well refuse their purchases right now, but then kirdyk’s energy and it’s not clear where the technologies will go, this contact apart from the economic benefits also had a flight aspect, the Americans really didn’t want the technology to fall apart Soviet space industry, fell into bad hands, because they saved the Russian cosmonautics by all means, paid for the launch and refurbished 2 blocks of the Mir station, entered into contracts for engines, delayed the construction of the dawn module and almost completely contained the ISS (which collected)
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 November 2019 21: 37 New
          +2
          Wow, well laughing

          Quote: zlinn
          and YULA has 28 engines in stock, so that they may well refuse their purchases right now,


          Nope. Can not. They have a prepayment. laughing

          Quote: zlinn
          but then energy kirdyk and it’s not clear where the technology will go,


          What kind of "energy"? The RD-180 engine is produced by NPO Energomash JSC. They will get on the new Soyuz-6 missile in the RD-180MS variant.

          Quote: zlinn
          in addition to economic benefits, the flight aspect also had a flight aspect, the Americans really didn’t want the technologies of the collapsing Soviet space industry to fall into bad hands,


          Well, they fell into their "bad hands." What's next? lol

          Quote: zlinn
          because they saved by all means, and saved the Russian cosmonautics,


          For money and technology. Well done. Lend-lease recalls in the Second World War.

          Quote: zlinn
          paid for the launch and converted 2 blocks of the station world,


          Under a joint program with their shuttle, trying to save their shuttle from closing.

          Quote: zlinn
          entered into contracts for engines


          Not having its own inexpensive and high-tech.

          Quote: zlinn
          Done building the dawn module


          2/3 of the volumes of which belong to them.

          Quote: zlinn
          and almost completely contain the ISS (which they themselves almost completely collected)


          They have collected and maintained the ISS American Segment.

          In short, just a set of nonsense laughing
  12. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 November 2019 12: 53 New
    0
    Do not forget to say goodbye to the earth, good luck
  13. 1536
    1536 15 November 2019 13: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    "Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not quite up to NASA plans, or just trying to pass out as wishful thinking."
    Bush Jr. also confused Iraq with Iran ...

    It is highly likely that they will spend money on creating the Unions in Russia, and the Americans will refuse to fly on them. In general, it seems that all these flights of Americans on Russian spaceships are well thought out and planned sabotage, in order to force Russian industry to produce obsolete equipment, thereby slowing down the movement to release new equipment. But alas, money is everything today. "What is Mars, what is there to do?" - says one respected political scientist. In today's times, he is right. What is Mars? Unless you want to send volunteers there, who are sitting in Russia without hot water, heat, with a leaking roof, rotten floors, thin pipes, etc. Such a man will survive on Mars, if he gets some money and materials for survival tossed.
    1. valeryb
      valeryb 15 November 2019 18: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: 1536
      In general, it seems that all these flights of Americans on Russian spaceships are well thought out and planned sabotage, in order to force Russian industry to produce obsolete equipment, thereby slowing down the movement for the release of new equipment.
      Can Russia release new equipment?
      1. 1536
        1536 15 November 2019 18: 11 New
        0
        Should! Or maybe or can not - this is the tenth matter. Otherwise, why do we need such a Russia?
        1. valeryb
          valeryb 15 November 2019 18: 18 New
          0
          Quote: 1536
          Should! Or maybe or can not - this is the tenth matter. Otherwise, why do we need such a Russia?
          Mikhan means give an order, III oppa, she will be done.
          1. 1536
            1536 15 November 2019 18: 46 New
            0
            In Russia, everything is from God and from the authorities. And orders too.
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 November 2019 13: 23 New
    +1
    US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions
    How many have already been such statements, after which NASA said the opposite. One says one thing, the other says the opposite. This also applies to Trump’s statements, which will then be disavowed by either Pompeo, or Pence, or some other Shtatov’s chief. Full mess. The right hand does not know what the left is doing, the head is stuck in social networks and comes up with new deals. Today, the United States is a good example of how you should not act in the international arena.
  15. dgonni
    dgonni 15 November 2019 13: 31 New
    -5
    How did Rogozin say that? on trampolines like?
    P.S. Dregon passed fire tests. In principle, the first ship flies without a crew but in the transport configuration of people. Well, then, without question, astronauts will fly on it. You do not need to have seven spans in your forehead for this.
    1. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 15 November 2019 13: 40 New
      -1
      Rogozin said about trampolines 5 years ago in 2014. Since then, the Americans have not been able to launch man into space.
      The dragon exploded in their summer. They promised to launch in June, but failed because of the explosion.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 15 November 2019 13: 59 New
        -4
        Well, just now the dragon has passed the test!
        P.S. Well, the Americans were not in a hurry to launch anyone’s thread into space until production of a thread of their own distinct was adjusted. Well, the given moment is at the exit of the legitimate 2 applicants for sending astronauts into space. Moreover, for a MUCH lower amount. + perspective in terms of flights to the moon.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 15 November 2019 14: 27 New
          -3
          The key here is perspective.
          For some, the words "will be in the future" from the lips of the United States cause animal delight. Similar words from the lips of fellow citizens cause no less animal hatred.
    2. RideMaster
      RideMaster 15 November 2019 14: 05 New
      -1
      So what?
      Why exactly if the Americans into space begin to carry people is a shame on Russia. And if the Chinese, for example, or the Indians are like norms.
      Sooner or later, several countries will be able to.
      I would be more concerned about all sorts of satellites in orbit there. Flying people to the ISS is some kind of senseless joke. And not so profitable. We earn more on grain.
      Let them work better on combat satellites.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 15 November 2019 14: 28 New
        -5
        So they work.
        And the ISS, yes, a pointless expensive joke. This stage has exhausted itself.
    3. zlinn
      zlinn 15 November 2019 19: 26 New
      -3
      He already flew without a crew, only the IAT remained (on max Q) and forward with the crew
  16. Roman070280
    Roman070280 15 November 2019 13: 40 New
    -1
    United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration was not going to and not going to give up flights on the Russian "Soyuz"


    And the men didn’t know ..))


    Kirk Shirman, an employee of the American Space Agency, said that NASA does not plan to buy space on Soyuz spacecraft from Roscosmos for future space flights, Space News writes. At a conference on the future launch of the SpaceX Dragon ship to the ISS, Shirman stated that NASA had already reserved seats for flights of American astronauts on Soyuz until mid-2019.

    “We are not discussing the purchase of new places with Russia, as we are confident in the timing of the launches of SpaceX and Boeing commercial spacecraft,” he said.


    The contract between NASA and Roscosmos, providing for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS using the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, will not be extended after 2018. Such a statement was made by the deputy head of the American space agency for manned programs, William Gerstenmeyer.


    NASA may refuse to buy seats in the "Unions" to send astronauts to the ISS next year. According to the new schedule, in 2019 launches of two American private manned ships should take place at once.
    On Friday, August 3, NASA will announce astronauts who will fly on SpaceX and Boeing. Ships will be launched on Falcon and Atlas V launch vehicles, respectively.


    Well, very fresh ..

    Roscosmos, according to a previous decision, will send only two Soyuz manned spacecraft next year to the ISS. This is due to the fact that the United States did not apply for a third ship, while the Russian Federation does not feel the need for it.
    Even if NASA changes its mind, this alignment cannot be changed, as time has already been lost for the manufacture of the device. As explained in Roscosmos, the production of one ship takes 2,5-3 years. The United States “reserved” only one place with the expectation that their astronaut would be on the ISS in the spring of 2020.
    To launch the third "Union", it must be done. In principle, this would be a way out if we had thought about it before. Anticipating such a situation, having ordered such a ship, one could have reserves
    - said Sergey Krikalev, who oversees manned programs in Roscosmos.
    But the Americans ignored Moscow’s repeated calls not to rush to refuse her services and to play safe.
    1. Pup1
      Pup1 15 November 2019 13: 48 New
      0
      We need alliances ... that's enough ... uncle is a bit old. ... it’s time for him to retire cows ...
  17. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 15 November 2019 13: 48 New
    -1
    They only learned how to fly, as the Union they no longer need. 60 years have passed since the first flight into space
  18. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 15 November 2019 14: 11 New
    +1
    Before saying so, at least completely sent their ship to the ISS, even if without a man, but manned.
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 15 November 2019 19: 31 New
      -2
      it’s already flown with a ripley manikin and a toy, it flied normally, docked and boarded, it was this ship that exploded during tests in May
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 15 November 2019 22: 08 New
        +1
        These are the moments that speak of the quality of the manned astronautics of the Yankees.
        Nothing really, everything is raw.
  19. Brturin
    Brturin 15 November 2019 14: 47 New
    -2
    sooner or later, but they will fly to her in their ships. The question is in the ISS itself - why fly, besides prestige, who can immediately name at least a dozen scientific programs on the ISS? Trump is going to stop state after 2014. financing of the ISS and making it a “private enterprise on a commercial basis”. Maybe the news would have gone better that Roscosmos used the vacated places from the Americans to expand the scientific program on the ISS ....
  20. Vitalii21
    Vitalii21 15 November 2019 14: 51 New
    -2
    About trampolines here already spoke?
  21. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 November 2019 15: 01 New
    -1
    "...with desire US President Donald Trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon... " what Can this be considered a recognition that so far their citizens have not been there?
  22. svp67
    svp67 15 November 2019 15: 04 New
    +1
    Sooner or later, but the United States will make its own manned ship and maybe not one. In this situation, the main thing for us to understand is how we will develop our space program
  23. slipped
    slipped 15 November 2019 15: 12 New
    +1
    Mikhail Kopeikin in pathos. laughing

    Meanwhile, from the report:

    "... final vehicle certification for both contractors [Boeing and SpaceX] will likely be delayed at least until summer 2020"

    "... final vehicle certification for both contractors [Boeing and SpaceX] is likely to be delayed until at least the summer of 2020."
  24. U-58
    U-58 15 November 2019 15: 22 New
    -2
    Well, he said everything correctly.
    How much rope does not curl, and the end will be.
    It was strange if the states did not make their own drift.
    There was an opportunity to earn money on launches, well.
    But soon this Lafa will naturally end
    1. slipped
      slipped 15 November 2019 15: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: U-58

      But soon this Lafa will naturally end


      Such a good "Lafa". laughing

      From a report by NASA inspector general Paul Martin:

      “Since the completion of the Space Shuttle reusable flight program in 2011, the [Russian] Soyuz spacecraft has been the only means of transporting astronauts to the ISS and back to Earth. As of July 2019, NASA has acquired 70 seats on Soyuz for a total the amount $ 3,9 billion to deliver 70 US astronauts and partner states to the station and return them to Earth. "

      Do you know how much it will cost them to deliver on their ships? lol

      Here is a report from a group of the famous magazine Artekhnik:

      “We considered in this group the total cost for NASA of the seats in the Boeing and SpaceX ships. It is more than 2 times higher than the indicated (on the diagram) cost for each of the service providers. For Boeing, taking into account the contract $ 4,2 billion plus additional financing another $ 877 million under the project, with a crew of 4 people and 4-6 contracted launches - the price per seat is not 90 million, but $ 179-268 million.

      For SpaceX, the cost of space for NASA comes from 130 to 196 million $.

      All these figures are MUCH higher than those paid now for a place in the Union of $ 80 million. "

      More details here: https: //arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/nasa-report-finds-boeing-seat-prices-are-60-higher-than-spacex/
      1. U-58
        U-58 15 November 2019 15: 56 New
        -1
        Moreover, the Americans will drive the ships right to the end of the ISS.)))))))))
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 November 2019 15: 57 New
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          Quote: U-58
          Moreover, the Americans will drive the ships right to the end of the ISS.)))))))))


          The ISS program is likely to be extended until the year 2028.
          1. U-58
            U-58 15 November 2019 16: 02 New
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            Yes, in principle, all the same, the horseless American situation might not have arisen.
            4 lard in the era of underfunding of Roskosmos came in handy.
            Moreover, most of the foreign exchange earnings the native state raked onto its earthly “accomplishments”
            1. slipped
              slipped 15 November 2019 16: 18 New
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              Quote: U-58
              Yes, in principle, all the same, the horseless American situation might not have arisen.


              It couldn’t. Shuttles ate their budget earlier and only the completion of the ISS AS allowed them to stretch a little more.

              Quote: U-58
              4 lard in the era of underfunding of Roskosmos came in handy.


              Instead of Americans, Arabs will fly (one recently flown) and Turks. laughing The ticket price has already been announced to them. Well, commercial tourists, these have their first flight in 2021.
              1. valeryb
                valeryb 15 November 2019 18: 12 New
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                Quote: slipped
                Instead of Americans, Arabs will fly (one recently flown) and Turks.
                This means you are designating such a path for Russia, to the Arabs and Turks. This is yeah.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 15 November 2019 18: 14 New
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                  Quote: valeryb
                  This means you are designating such a path for Russia, to the Arabs and Turks. This is yeah.


                  I’m asking you a serious question - Will the Arabs and Turks be subhuman?
                  1. valeryb
                    valeryb 15 November 2019 18: 16 New
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                    Quote: slipped
                    But are Arabs and Turks subhuman?
                    You said. Would you be ashamed, shame on you?
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 15 November 2019 18: 18 New
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                      Quote: valeryb
                      Would you be ashamed, shame on you?


                      Here you always have it, blurt out first, and then quickly translate the arrows. lol
                      1. valeryb
                        valeryb 15 November 2019 18: 21 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        Here you have it always
                        That's right, you blurted out. Keep track of where and what you're blotting out. Your happiness is that I was not raised by the guard.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 15 November 2019 18: 31 New
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                        Quote: valeryb
                        Your happiness is that I was not raised by the guard.


                        And who did you bring up? Your selyukami? laughing

                        Arabs are solvent enough to pay for their space flight on OUR ship, and the prince of the Saudis even traveled to outer space earlier .... on the shuttle. laughing



                        did the Americans roll down too? lol
  • Vaddik
    Vaddik 15 November 2019 15: 41 New
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    The issue of producing our own space engines is a matter of time. If they set such a goal, they will achieve it. Even if it stretches for another 10 years. By the way, maybe we can also sue NASA, like Ukraine against Gazprom. Say they are preparing to disrupt our profits by refusing to buy engines? Let them refuse it or pay compensation))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 November 2019 16: 04 New
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      I wrote statistics above - this year from 23 missiles, only 3 launch on Russian engines. According to the results of the year, if nothing leaves, it will be planned. 28 of which 4 on Russian engines.

      Actually they do not need a replacement so-and-so.

      At the same time, they jump right into the methane era. And here already Roscosmos will have to beg for engines from NASA. For Mask is already at the flight stand stage, Ordijin / Lockheed is at the ground stage stage and in 20 there will be a lot of work on refinement and certification, and in 21 the first LV (which will replace Atlas) should make the first flight on new methane engines.
      1. slipped
        slipped 15 November 2019 16: 35 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        And here already Roscosmos will have to beg for engines from NASA.


        Probably only in your mriy. lol

        Quote: donavi49
        For Mask is already at the stage of the flight stand, Ordijin / Lockheed is at the stage of the ground stand and in 20 there will be a lot of work on refinement and certification, and on 21, the first LV (which will replace Atlas) should make the first flight on new methane engines.


        Well, good. We have long and successfully burned oxygen-methane at the stands: RD180MS, RD0146M, RD0162, and recently successfully burned RD0162D2A



        Creating a domestic LNG rocket is not as trivial a task as you think. Moreover, we have AmurSPG next to Vostochny. laughing
    2. zlinn
      zlinn 15 November 2019 19: 42 New
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      where do the engines come from?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 November 2019 16: 07 New
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    And for the horseradish striped bought 40 engines and ordered seats in the Unions? These masons are at least somehow communicating with each other, otherwise NASA sings one thing and Pence sings another. A good person will not be called a pension because of the low cost.
  • Kibl
    Kibl 15 November 2019 16: 12 New
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    Everything is explained simply, Pace is stupid and stupid. But he is an American politician and this is normal.
  • Lontus
    Lontus 15 November 2019 18: 27 New
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    Similar stories for many years several times a year laid out - but always break off -
    - the Americans cannot launch a manned space capsule.

    Only another thing is surprising - many people do not compare the facts and each time with pathological clownish enthusiasm they react to the next statements about "refusing to fly to the Union." If there are a lot of such unfortunate commentators on technical resources (such as VO), then what can we say about ordinary inhabitants.
  • Maks winter
    Maks winter 15 November 2019 22: 29 New
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    my purely personal opinion, Pence is not entirely adequate in his statements ... he reminds me of many ,, non-brothers ,,)))
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 16 November 2019 04: 22 New
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    - "Michael Pence is either not quite up to date with NASA's plans, or is simply trying to wishful thinking" - he knows everything !!! work is going on for people - "America Above All"! moreover, their politicians do not bear any responsibility for their words ..
    1. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 16 November 2019 06: 24 New
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      moreover, their politicians do not bear any responsibility for their words ..


      phah. They have the president dryuch for words with Zelensky
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 November 2019 08: 17 New
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    Each year, the Mask will have to smile stiffly, increase the dose of viskar and grass and find more and more convincing arguments. laughing
    1. Charik
      Charik 16 November 2019 16: 03 New
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      will migrate to holland and will fly from there
  • Charik
    Charik 16 November 2019 16: 00 New
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    Yes, in this space for 70 years earthlings have been idle and grandmothers are sawing, but they can’t reach the moon
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 November 2019 10: 24 New
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    Pence said that already this spring the United States allegedly will send its astronauts to the ISS in their own manned spacecraft,

    Actually, they count chickens in the fall. laughing