US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

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US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

Russian Soyuz spacecraft will soon become unnecessary, as the United States will send American astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) by its own manned spacecraft until March 2020. This statement was made by US Vice President Michael Pence.

Speaking at the Joseph Ames Research Center in California, Pence said that this spring the United States would allegedly send its astronauts to the ISS in their own manned spacecraft, which would mean abandoning the use of Russian Unions.



Before the spring of next year, we will see how an American astronaut in an American spaceship from American territory goes into space. We will have our own means of delivery into orbit, and we will no longer need to fly on Russian ships

- he said.

According to the politician, the United States has been using Russian spacecraft to deliver its astronauts to the ISS since 2011. The resumption of flights of US manned spacecraft is associated with the desire of US President Donald Trump to become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon.

Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not quite up to the plans of NASA, or is simply trying to wishful thinking. The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration did not and does not intend to abandon flights on the Russian Soyuz not only in the near future, but also after launching the program of manned flights of US ships to the ISS.

According to Roskosmos data provided at the end of October, the head of NASA Brydenstein requested additional seats on the Russian Soyuz in the 2020-2021 years due to delays in the program of building American ships to deliver astronauts to the ISS.

Recall that in the framework of the program for the resumption of manned flights in the United States, new manned spacecraft have been developed: Crew Dragon by SpaceX and Starliner by Boeing. After conducting unmanned and manned flights to the ISS, they are expected to be certified by NASA and further used to deliver astronauts into orbit. Earlier in the United States, it was announced that the first manned flight of American astronauts in their own ship is planned for the 2020 year.
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  1. +9
    15 November 2019 12: 27
    "Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not fully aware of NASA's plans, or is simply trying to pass off wishful thinking."
    Bush Jr. also confused Iraq with Iran ...
    1. +6
      15 November 2019 12: 48
      Pence is very stupid, so he can drive any blizzard, perhaps for intelligence and misinformation, so he can’t serve as a source of information.
      1. +5
        15 November 2019 13: 24
        At first I would have delved into the topic, and then clanged with my tongue about the uselessness of "Unions" for American astronauts.
        1. 0
          15 November 2019 13: 36
          They do not delve into topics, the main view is to create.
          Anxious for American Astronauts
          1. +1
            16 November 2019 14: 15
            Quote: maxim947
            jealously for american astronauts

            I'm more worried about the hamsters Ilona Mask. How to rattle, how to wheedle, In October we will send a manned ship ..... crying But in reality, everything is on a trampoline .. And how they laughed. What Ate, lovers, of Western democracy? laughing And half a year ago, everyone was bragging. What, without Russia, no where? Well now, I'll rest. If these liberoids had even a drop of honesty, they could apologize. At least for those disadvantages that they piled on me on this topic.
      2. +2
        15 November 2019 16: 19
        Quote: hydrox
        therefore, it can drive any snowstorm,

        Which in the USA goes "with a bang!"
    2. +10
      15 November 2019 12: 49
      The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft is due to the desire of US President Donald trump become the first state to deliver to the moon their citizens.

      Here, many claimed, the Americans were on the moon ... Prove it to Trump!

      Although there’s nothing to be especially happy about! After all, we on the moon will not even be second.
      1. SSR
        +3
        15 November 2019 12: 59
        Quote: Stas157
        Here, many claimed, the Americans were on the moon ... Prove it to Trump!

        And without this, the "conquerors of the moon" are not suitable for passengers constantly asking.)))
        PS.
        In general, the fact that now "competition" in the future may become simply of the type "Space Fleet of Earthlings".
      2. +2
        15 November 2019 13: 52
        In-in, Donnie slept not childishly laughing
        Well, the Chinese will be the first people there, so what? Our lunar rover is parked somewhere there :-)
        And will they fly there? Looking for a moon hare there?
        In space (both in orbit and in open), we were definitely the first.
      3. 0
        15 November 2019 16: 02
        Well, why?
        We even had Dunno: is he very different from those Americans who have already "visited" the moon? laughing
    3. 0
      15 November 2019 14: 18
      And ours are not in the know - in 2020 Russia intends to increase the number of launches of Soyuz family missiles for federal and commercial customers, said Dmitry Baranov, director general of the Progress Rocket and Space Center. Since Yusovtsy have already requested additional places for UNIONS.
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 17: 21
        Quote: lwxx
        Since Yusovtsy have already requested additional places for UNIONS.


        Baranov was referring to the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle. In 2020, there will be more than 20 launches of these missiles.
    4. -1
      15 November 2019 23: 49
      Well, to Psaki, of course, to him like to the moon))))
  2. +7
    15 November 2019 12: 27
    It is always necessary to separate when the politician of the US State Department speaks and when the NASA specialist ... these are completely different people in terms of knowledge and understanding of space realities.
    1. +3
      15 November 2019 12: 40
      Elections are coming soon, we need to recruit “+.” Vice-president for a second term is also not bad.
      1. +1
        15 November 2019 12: 43
        Soon elections, it is necessary to dial "+".

        Well, not Pence will fly into space where there are dangers of various ranks and status ... he can chat about anything but only specialists in their field work in space and they render their verdict on what they fly ... Pence is a swindler and a crook.
    2. +2
      15 November 2019 12: 42
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      You always need to separate when a US State Department politician speaks and when a NASA specialist ...

      From the article:
      The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft is due to the desire of US President Donald trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon.

      So were the Americans on the moon or not? Maybe there were not US citizens there and Trump now decided to send the Americans. NASA says one thing, the State Department is different, so understand them ... request winked
      1. +3
        15 November 2019 13: 19
        Right Not a single Indian was on the moon! Those who can be called Americans.
        And Armstrong and Aldrin are British, and, possibly, Ukrainians ...
        1. +3
          15 November 2019 14: 01
          You are not kidding about Ukrainians. And then they will read and really believe.
          1. 0
            15 November 2019 19: 36
            If they believe, is it possible that they can take up the mind? laughing
      2. +1
        15 November 2019 18: 05
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        So were the Americans on the moon or not? Maybe there were not US citizens

        you better quote the original, and do not make a sensation because of an illiterate translator. again google action translators indulge in ?? laughing
  3. +4
    15 November 2019 12: 28
    Russian Soyuz spacecraft will soon become unnecessary

    soon the concept is expandable ....
    send an American astronaut first on an American spaceship from American territory ... then declare! Yes
    1. 0
      15 November 2019 13: 22
      Quote: Mouse
      soon the concept is expandable ....

      not extensible, but incorrect. For every year the ISS shortens its life for a year, and the Americans stretch out another two years - then the Dragons and Starliners will be in principle unnecessary - as long as you master the production, the need will disappear.
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      2. +1
        15 November 2019 13: 29
        I would still say .... indefinite in space and time! wink
  4. +5
    15 November 2019 12: 28
    "Vice President of the United States declared the uselessness of Russian" Soyuz "
    - Does this comrade from the White House know that their astronauts have been flying these "unnecessary" Alliances for the last decade ??
    1. 0
      15 November 2019 12: 36
      What will they fly on the mask? laughing
  5. +1
    15 November 2019 12: 30
    Somewhere in the ISS Russian segment, a man with a quiet sigh took off the cover from the gunner-gunner’s chair ...
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  6. 0
    15 November 2019 12: 33
    You can argue as much as you like ... but judging by the next application for seats in the UNION ... while the guys are afraid to fly on their hardware ... they insure ... they stack straws in stacks ... well, politicians never answer for words .. Well, and even more so American ... well, and the elections are again on the nose))
    1. -3
      15 November 2019 13: 29
      Well, Dragon2 does - In-flight abort test at Max Q in 3 weeks. If success - then the next on the ISS with the crew.

      StarLiner - 17 December Starliner Boe-OFT on 30 days automatic mission. If success. That is followed by humans. There, Max Q seems to be done separately. They have already shot off the table and that’s enough.


      For the 2020 year, Starliner has planned 2 manned flights.
      1. +1
        15 November 2019 13: 37
        In June 2019, they wanted to launch the Dragon with a man on board, but on trials the ship exploded.
        1. -1
          15 November 2019 13: 39
          No, they wanted to do in June Max Q and on one of the checks the ship exploded. The reason was localized and corrected. The updated ship will be allowed to launch the same test in 3 weeks.

          Humans will fly after Max Q.
          1. -1
            15 November 2019 13: 42
            What is not that? In the spring, on all forums, Mask fans yelled that a person would fly in June 2019.
            Successfully corrected will only show tests. Will explode or not.
            1. -1
              15 November 2019 13: 48
              Well, the system for Mask is as follows:
              Full-profile unmanned flight (success) - Max Q (the ship did not live up to this test) - manned flight to the ISS.

              If it hadn’t exploded, but performed Max Q, then the astronauts would have flown already this year.

              The system for Boeing is as follows:
              abortion test (success) - full unmanned full-flight unmanned flight (December 17) - manned flight to the ISS.

              If Mask hadn’t exploded, then they flew. If there were no stoppage of financing in the USA and the departure of 3 months for the project + another 3-5 months of additional delays due to fixes and improvements, then Boeing would launch astronauts. Well, there’s a slight delay. The fact is that they have 2 systems at the final stage right away.
      2. 0
        15 November 2019 15: 48
        Cool, soared like an uncontrollable Chinese firecracker. Smokes like Admiral Kuznetsov. Again, is it prudent to use a braking engine system and why then shoot it? Difficult, dangerous, unreliable!
        1. -2
          15 November 2019 15: 53
          In the sense? They worked off - with a rocket explosion on the table. The most extreme option for the Boeing system.

          They constructively pull out the entire ship along with the instrument-aggregate. And then it is desirable to dump it. Which was shown.
          1. 0
            15 November 2019 16: 14
            Ah, now it’s clear. I lag behind space fashion. All the same, in my opinion, a mini rocket from above is somehow more reliable and safer than a combustible mixture under the bottom. Can you tell me if these engines will be used during landing for preliminary braking?
            1. -2
              15 November 2019 19: 08
              the raccoon racket has a significant drawback, especially in the allied version, it is cleared together with the head fairing, and, accordingly, it will save the upper stage in the event of an accident
              1. +1
                15 November 2019 21: 19
                Quote: zlinn
                it is reset together with the head fairing, and, accordingly, it will save the upper stage in an accident


                She is not dumped with GO. She flies away before GO, since her work is required only in the initial stage of launch. In an accident of the upper stage, the ship itself is disconnected.
  7. +1
    15 November 2019 12: 33
    Well, the stump is clear that sooner or later they will fly on their own. Not at the beginning of 2020 so in 2021 ... What is it about? China flies and maintains its own station and does not bomb anyone from this. It is even strange that the United States still does not fly its own way. Import substitution ..
    1. +2
      15 November 2019 12: 42
      Quote: Last centurion
      China flies and contains its station

      Fly on copies of our Unions and use our technologies.
      Quote: Last centurion
      sooner or later they will fly on their own
      Well, es-seasoned. Only such things are not done with the kondachka. In such technologies, experience is sometimes much more important than technology.
  8. +4
    15 November 2019 12: 38
    "The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft is connected with the desire of US President Donald Trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon"...,

    Strange ... What, Trump confirms the fact of the fictitious flights of American astronauts to the moon? laughing
    1. 0
      15 November 2019 19: 16
      After this flight, the USSR abandoned its lunar program.
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 19: 17
        There was an opportunity to poke ov.
  9. +1
    15 November 2019 12: 40
    The resumption of flights of American manned spacecraft due to the desire of US President Donald trump first a state that will deliver its citizens to the moon.

    What does it mean?
  10. 0
    15 November 2019 12: 41
    US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions

    Oh, how is it for the first time sz!
  11. 0
    15 November 2019 12: 47
    Have already got the "partners" - give up our engines, and as in Rogozin - at least start with trampolines!
    1. +2
      15 November 2019 13: 35
      This year, the United States launched 23 space rockets from them:
      On April 17, the launch of Antares with the ISS supply mission under a contract with NASA - Russian engines. At the same time, the Antares program is in fact closed (for expensive, only NASA bought for the ISS) - the engines for the entire program are contracted. They have a new rocket on other engines.

      8 August Atlas5 with military satellite.

      2 November Antares again on the ISS supply.

      Everything. Of the 20 missiles, 3 depend on Russian engines.

      Until the end of the year, 5 launches are planned, of which only 1 Atlas with the Starliner Boe-OFT on the ISS.

      If everything flies there will be 28 launches of which 4 on missiles with Russian engines.

      Next year, several more private and corporate LVs will fly to the United States. Everything is also on its engines.
      1. -6
        15 November 2019 19: 21
        YULA also has 28 engines in stock, so that they may well refuse their purchases right now, but then kirdyk’s energy and it’s not clear where the technologies will go, this contact apart from the economic benefits also had a flight aspect, the Americans really didn’t want the technology to fall apart Soviet space industry, fell into bad hands, because they saved the Russian cosmonautics by all means, paid for the launch and refurbished 2 blocks of the Mir station, entered into contracts for engines, delayed the construction of the dawn module and almost completely contained the ISS (which collected)
        1. +2
          15 November 2019 21: 37
          Wow, well laughing

          Quote: zlinn
          and YULA has 28 engines in stock, so that they may well refuse their purchases right now,


          Nope. Can not. They have a prepayment. laughing

          Quote: zlinn
          but then energy kirdyk and it’s not clear where the technology will go,


          What "energy"? The RD-180 engine is manufactured by JSC NPO Energomash. They will land on the new Soyuz-6 rocket in the RD-180MS version.

          Quote: zlinn
          in addition to economic benefits, the flight aspect also had a flight aspect, the Americans really didn’t want the technologies of the collapsing Soviet space industry to fall into bad hands,


          Well, they fell into their "bad hands". What's next? lol

          Quote: zlinn
          because they saved by all means, and saved the Russian cosmonautics,


          For money and technology. Well done. Lend-lease recalls in the Second World War.

          Quote: zlinn
          paid for the launch and converted 2 blocks of the station world,


          Under a joint program with their shuttle, trying to save their shuttle from closing.

          Quote: zlinn
          entered into contracts for engines


          Not having its own inexpensive and high-tech.

          Quote: zlinn
          Done building the dawn module


          2/3 of the volumes of which belong to them.

          Quote: zlinn
          and almost completely contain the ISS (which they themselves almost completely collected)


          They have collected and maintained the ISS American Segment.

          In short, just a set of nonsense laughing
  12. 0
    15 November 2019 12: 53
    Do not forget to say goodbye to the earth, good luck
  13. +1
    15 November 2019 13: 11
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    "Note that US Vice President Michael Pence is either not fully aware of NASA's plans, or is simply trying to pass off wishful thinking."
    Bush Jr. also confused Iraq with Iran ...

    It is highly likely that the money will be spent on the creation of the Soyuz in Russia, and the Americans will refuse to fly them. In general, it seems that all these flights of Americans on Russian spaceships are a well-thought-out and planned sabotage, in order to force the Russian industry to produce outdated equipment, thereby slowing down the movement towards the release of new equipment. But, alas, today money is everything. "What kind of Mars is there, what to do there?" - says one respected political scientist. For today, he is right. What's Mars like? Is it possible to send those who wish there - volunteers who are sitting in Russia without hot water, heat, with a leaking roof, rotten floors, thin pipes, etc. Such a person will survive on Mars if he gets some money and materials for survival.
    1. -2
      15 November 2019 18: 08
      Quote: 1536
      In general, it seems that all these flights of Americans on Russian spaceships are well thought out and planned sabotage, in order to force Russian industry to produce obsolete equipment, thereby slowing down the movement for the release of new equipment.
      Can Russia release new equipment?
      1. 0
        15 November 2019 18: 11
        Should! Or maybe or can not - this is the tenth matter. Otherwise, why do we need such a Russia?
        1. 0
          15 November 2019 18: 18
          Quote: 1536
          Should! Or maybe or can not - this is the tenth matter. Otherwise, why do we need such a Russia?
          Mikhan means give an order, III oppa, she will be done.
          1. 0
            15 November 2019 18: 46
            In Russia, everything is from God and from the authorities. And orders too.
  14. +1
    15 November 2019 13: 23
    US Vice President Announces Unnecessary Russian Unions
    How many statements have already been made, after which NASA has stated the opposite. One says one thing, the other the opposite. This also applies to Trump's statements, which are then disavowed by either Pompeo, or Pence, or some other state "chief executive." A complete mess. The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing, the head is stuck in social networks and comes up with new deals. Today the United States is a clear example of how not to act in the international arena.
  15. -5
    15 November 2019 13: 31
    How did Rogozin say that? on trampolines like?
    P.S. Dregon passed fire tests. In principle, the first ship flies without a crew but in the transport configuration of people. Well, then, without question, astronauts will fly on it. You do not need to have seven spans in your forehead for this.
    1. -1
      15 November 2019 13: 40
      Rogozin said about trampolines 5 years ago in 2014. Since then, the Americans have not been able to launch man into space.
      The dragon exploded in their summer. They promised to launch in June, but failed because of the explosion.
      1. -4
        15 November 2019 13: 59
        Well, just now the dragon has passed the test!
        P.S. Well, the Americans were not in a hurry to launch anyone’s thread into space until production of a thread of their own distinct was adjusted. Well, the given moment is at the exit of the legitimate 2 applicants for sending astronauts into space. Moreover, for a MUCH lower amount. + perspective in terms of flights to the moon.
        1. -3
          15 November 2019 14: 27
          The key here is perspective.
          Some of the words "will, in the future" from the lips of the United States evoke animal delight. Similar words from fellow citizens cause no less animal hatred.
    2. -1
      15 November 2019 14: 05
      So what?
      Why exactly if the Americans into space begin to carry people is a shame on Russia. And if the Chinese, for example, or the Indians are like norms.
      Sooner or later, several countries will be able to.
      I would be more concerned about all sorts of satellites in orbit there. Flying people to the ISS is some kind of senseless joke. And not so profitable. We earn more on grain.
      Let them work better on combat satellites.
      1. -5
        15 November 2019 14: 28
        So they work.
        And the ISS, yes, a pointless expensive joke. This stage has exhausted itself.
    3. -3
      15 November 2019 19: 26
      He already flew without a crew, only the IAT remained (on max Q) and forward with the crew
  16. -1
    15 November 2019 13: 40
    United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration was not going to and is not going to give up flights on Russian "Soyuz"


    And the men didn’t know ..))


    Kirk Shirman, an employee of the American Space Agency, said that NASA does not plan to buy space on Soyuz spacecraft from Roscosmos for future space flights, Space News writes. At a conference on the future launch of the SpaceX Dragon ship to the ISS, Shirman stated that NASA had already reserved seats for flights of American astronauts on Soyuz until mid-2019.

    “We are not discussing the purchase of new places with Russia, as we are confident in the timing of the launches of SpaceX and Boeing commercial spacecraft,” he said.


    The contract between NASA and Roscosmos, providing for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS using the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, will not be extended after 2018. Such a statement was made by the deputy head of the American space agency for manned programs, William Gerstenmeyer.


    NASA may refuse to buy seats in the "Unions" to send astronauts to the ISS next year. According to the new schedule, in 2019 launches of two American private manned ships should take place at once.
    On Friday, August 3, NASA will announce astronauts who will fly on SpaceX and Boeing. Ships will be launched on Falcon and Atlas V launch vehicles, respectively.


    Well, very fresh ..

    Roscosmos, according to a previous decision, will send only two Soyuz manned spacecraft next year to the ISS. This is due to the fact that the United States did not apply for a third ship, while the Russian Federation does not feel the need for it.
    Even if NASA changes its mind, this alignment cannot be changed, as time has already been lost for the manufacture of the device. As explained in Roscosmos, the production of one ship takes 2,5-3 years. The United States “reserved” only one place with the expectation that their astronaut would be on the ISS in the spring of 2020.
    To launch the third "Union", it must be done. In principle, this would be a way out if we had thought about it before. Anticipating such a situation, having ordered such a ship, one could have reserves
    - said Sergey Krikalev, who oversees manned programs in Roscosmos.
    But the Americans ignored Moscow’s repeated calls not to rush to refuse her services and to play safe.
    1. 0
      15 November 2019 13: 48
      We need alliances ... that's enough ... uncle is a bit old. ... it’s time for him to retire cows ...
  17. -1
    15 November 2019 13: 48
    They only learned how to fly, as the Union they no longer need. 60 years have passed since the first flight into space
  18. +1
    15 November 2019 14: 11
    Before saying so, at least completely sent their ship to the ISS, even if without a man, but manned.
    1. -2
      15 November 2019 19: 31
      it’s already flown with a ripley manikin and a toy, it flied normally, docked and boarded, it was this ship that exploded during tests in May
      1. +1
        15 November 2019 22: 08
        These are the moments that speak of the quality of the manned astronautics of the Yankees.
        Nothing really, everything is raw.
  19. -2
    15 November 2019 14: 47
    sooner or later, but they will fly to her in their ships. The question is in the ISS itself - why fly, besides prestige, who can immediately name at least a dozen scientific programs on the ISS? Trump is going to stop state after 2014. financing of the ISS and making it a “private enterprise on a commercial basis”. Maybe the news would have gone better that Roscosmos used the vacated places from the Americans to expand the scientific program on the ISS ....
  20. -2
    15 November 2019 14: 51
    About trampolines here already spoke?
  21. -1
    15 November 2019 15: 01
    "...from desire US President Donald Trump become the first state to deliver its citizens to the moon..." what Can this be considered a recognition that so far their citizens have not been there?
  22. +1
    15 November 2019 15: 04
    Sooner or later, but the United States will make its own manned ship and maybe not one. In this situation, the main thing for us to understand is how we will develop our space program
  23. +1
    15 November 2019 15: 12
    Mikhail Kopeikin in pathos. laughing

    Meanwhile, from the report:

    "... final vehicle certification for both contractors [Boeing and SpaceX] will likely be delayed at least until summer 2020"

    "... the final vehicle certification for both contractors [Boeing and SpaceX] is likely to be delayed until at least summer 2020."
  24. -2
    15 November 2019 15: 22
    Well, he said everything correctly.
    How much rope does not curl, and the end will be.
    It was strange if the states did not make their own drift.
    There was an opportunity to earn money on launches, well.
    But soon this Lafa will naturally end
    1. +2
      15 November 2019 15: 48
      Quote: U-58

      But soon this Lafa will naturally end


      Such a good "lafa". laughing

      From a report by NASA inspector general Paul Martin:

      "Since the completion of the Space Shuttle program in 2011, the [Russian] Soyuz spacecraft has served as the only means of transporting astronauts to the ISS and back to Earth. As of July 2019, NASA has acquired 70 seats on Soyuz. the sum $ 3,9 billion to deliver 70 US and partner states astronauts to the station and return them to Earth. "

      Do you know how much it will cost them to deliver on their ships? lol

      Here is a report from a group of the famous magazine Artekhnik:

      “We counted in this group the total cost for NASA of seats in Boeing and SpaceX. It is more than 2 times higher than the indicated (in the diagram) cost for each of the service providers. For Boeing, taking into account the contract, $ 4,2 billion plus additional funding another $ 877 million under the project, with a crew of 4 people and 4-6 contracted launches - the price for a seat is not 90 million, but $ 179-268 million.

      For SpaceX, the cost of space for NASA comes from 130 to 196 million $.

      All these figures are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the $ 80 million currently paid for a place in the Union. "

      More details here: https: //arstechnica.com/science/2019/11/nasa-report-finds-boeing-seat-prices-are-60-higher-than-spacex/
      1. -1
        15 November 2019 15: 56
        Moreover, the Americans will drive the ships right to the end of the ISS.)))))))))
        1. 0
          15 November 2019 15: 57
          Quote: U-58
          Moreover, the Americans will drive the ships right to the end of the ISS.)))))))))


          The ISS program is likely to be extended until the year 2028.
          1. -1
            15 November 2019 16: 02
            Yes, in principle, all the same, the horseless American situation might not have arisen.
            4 lard in the era of underfunding of Roskosmos came in handy.
            Moreover, the native state raked in most of the foreign exchange earnings for its earthly "accomplishments"
            1. 0
              15 November 2019 16: 18
              Quote: U-58
              Yes, in principle, all the same, the horseless American situation might not have arisen.


              It couldn’t. Shuttles ate their budget earlier and only the completion of the ISS AS allowed them to stretch a little more.

              Quote: U-58
              4 lard in the era of underfunding of Roskosmos came in handy.


              Instead of Americans, Arabs will fly (one recently flown) and Turks. laughing The ticket price has already been announced to them. Well, commercial tourists, these have their first flight in 2021.
              1. -1
                15 November 2019 18: 12
                Quote: slipped
                Instead of Americans, Arabs will fly (one recently flown) and Turks.
                This means you are designating such a path for Russia, to the Arabs and Turks. This is yeah.
                1. 0
                  15 November 2019 18: 14
                  Quote: valeryb
                  This means you are designating such a path for Russia, to the Arabs and Turks. This is yeah.


                  I’m asking you a serious question - Will the Arabs and Turks be subhuman?
                  1. -1
                    15 November 2019 18: 16
                    Quote: slipped
                    But are Arabs and Turks subhuman?
                    You said. Would you be ashamed, shame on you?
                    1. 0
                      15 November 2019 18: 18
                      Quote: valeryb
                      Would you be ashamed, shame on you?


                      Here you always have it, blurt out first, and then quickly translate the arrows. lol
                      1. -1
                        15 November 2019 18: 21
                        Quote: slipped
                        Here you have it always
                        That's right, you blurted out. Keep track of where and what you're blotting out. Your happiness is that I was not raised by the guard.
                      2. 0
                        15 November 2019 18: 31
                        Quote: valeryb
                        Your happiness is that I was not raised by the guard.


                        And who did you bring up? Your selyukami? laughing

                        Arabs are solvent enough to pay for their space flight on OUR ship, and the prince of the Saudis even traveled to outer space earlier .... on the shuttle. laughing



                        did the Americans roll down too? lol
  25. +2
    15 November 2019 15: 41
    The issue of producing our own space engines is a matter of time. If they set such a goal, they will achieve it. Even if it stretches for another 10 years. By the way, maybe we can also sue NASA, like Ukraine against Gazprom. Say they are preparing to disrupt our profits by refusing to buy engines? Let them refuse it or pay compensation))
    1. -1
      15 November 2019 16: 04
      I wrote statistics above - this year from 23 missiles, only 3 launch on Russian engines. According to the results of the year, if nothing leaves, it will be planned. 28 of which 4 on Russian engines.

      Actually they do not need a replacement so-and-so.

      At the same time, they jump right into the methane era. And here already Roscosmos will have to beg for engines from NASA. For Mask is already at the flight stand stage, Ordijin / Lockheed is at the ground stage stage and in 20 there will be a lot of work on refinement and certification, and in 21 the first LV (which will replace Atlas) should make the first flight on new methane engines.
      1. +2
        15 November 2019 16: 35
        Quote: donavi49
        And here already Roscosmos will have to beg for engines from NASA.


        Probably only in your mriy. lol

        Quote: donavi49
        For Mask is already at the stage of the flight stand, Ordijin / Lockheed is at the stage of the ground stand and in 20 there will be a lot of work on refinement and certification, and on 21, the first LV (which will replace Atlas) should make the first flight on new methane engines.


        Well, good. We have long and successfully burned oxygen-methane at the stands: RD180MS, RD0146M, RD0162, and recently successfully burned RD0162D2A



        The creation of a domestic LNG rocket is not as trivial as you think. Moreover, we have AmurLNG next to Vostochny. laughing
    2. -2
      15 November 2019 19: 42
      where do the engines come from?
  26. 0
    15 November 2019 16: 07
    And for the horseradish striped bought 40 engines and ordered seats in the Unions? These masons are at least somehow communicating with each other, otherwise NASA sings one thing and Pence sings another. A good person will not be called a pension because of the low cost.
  27. -2
    15 November 2019 16: 12
    Everything is explained simply, Pace is stupid and stupid. But he is an American politician and this is normal.
  28. -1
    15 November 2019 18: 27
    Similar stories for many years several times a year laid out - but always break off -
    - the Americans cannot launch a manned space capsule.

    The only thing that is surprising is that very many people do not compare the facts and each time they react with pathological clown enthusiasm to the next statements about "refusing to fly to the Union." If on technical resources (such as VO) such would-be commentators are full, then what can we say about ordinary people.
  29. 0
    15 November 2019 22: 29
    my purely personal opinion, Pence is not entirely adequate in his statements ... he reminds me of many ,, non-brothers ,,)))
  30. 0
    16 November 2019 04: 22
    - "Michael Pence is either not entirely aware of NASA's plans, or is simply trying to pass off wishful thinking" - he knows everything !!! work is underway for peeples - "america above all else"! Moreover, their politicians do not bear any responsibility for their words ..
    1. 0
      16 November 2019 06: 24
      moreover, their politicians do not bear any responsibility for their words ..


      phah. They have the president dryuch for words with Zelensky
  31. 0
    16 November 2019 08: 17
    Each year, the Mask will have to smile stiffly, increase the dose of viskar and grass and find more and more convincing arguments. laughing
    1. +1
      16 November 2019 16: 03
      will migrate to holland and will fly from there
  32. 0
    16 November 2019 16: 00
    Yes, in this space for 70 years earthlings have been idle and grandmothers are sawing, but they can’t reach the moon
  33. 0
    17 November 2019 10: 24
    Pence said that already this spring the United States allegedly will send its astronauts to the ISS in their own manned spacecraft,

    Actually, they count chickens in the fall. laughing