In China, they recalled how the Japanese "Toshiba" delivered machines in the USSR "for the production of low-noise propellers"

In China, they recalled how the Japanese "Toshiba" delivered machines in the USSR "for the production of low-noise propellers"

Material has appeared in the Chinese press that discusses technological capabilities that allow Russia to create modern weapons. In particular, it was noted that after the events related to the return of Crimea to Russia, the West and a number of its allies in other regions of the world introduced collective anti-Russian sanctions prohibiting the transfer to Russia of not only military equipment, dual-use equipment, but also high-tech equipment.


It was noted on the Sohu portal that Japan also joined the sanctions in 2014. However, as stated, the Japanese sanctions against Russia are “more formal in nature” - Japan continues active economic and trade cooperation with the Russian Federation, which in itself destroys the “sanctions monolith”.

The author in a Chinese publication recalls that during the Cold War, the West had complaints against Japan, whose Toshiba company sold "multi-axis CNC machines" to the Soviet Union.

From the material bearing the name with the question mark - "Japan again betrayed Europe and America?":

The incident with Toshiba then caused a storm of indignation in the West. The Soviet Union, as the CIA then stated, with the acquisition of Japanese machine tools, was able to mass-produce low-noise propellers for submarines.

Now, as noted, Russia is looking for production technology bypassing Western sanctions. The author writes that China and, to a certain extent, the same Japan give "such opportunities to Russia," which still wants to receive consent from Moscow to transfer several islands. "

From the material:

After the introduction of sanctions by the Americans, the military industry of Russia was affected to one degree or another. There were problems with the Su-57 aircraft, new frigates with composite hulls. But now, as it turns out, the sanctions did not affect as much as they wanted in Washington.

The author of the article notes that already in April 2014, Russia received a Japanese license from Takisawa Machine Tool for the production of the latest lathes.

TMX-4000 CNC machines began to appear under an agreement with the Chinese Zhangze.

It is added that China and Japan allow Russia to develop not only civilian, but also military production. The author, dumping everything in one heap, mentions in the material OTRK Iskander, the hypersonic Avangard complex, the hypersonic cruise anti-ship missile of the Zircon complex. As a result, the Chinese publication writes that if the same Japan (along with China) supplies Russia with equipment and technologies, then "the situation with the Toshiba of the Cold War era could be repeated."
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 13 November 2019 08: 18 New
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    China was offended that he didn’t get the whole piece of the “sanction pie”?
    1. Civil 13 November 2019 08: 22 New
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      China, as it were, calls for everything to buy from him.
      1. 210ox 13 November 2019 08: 35 New
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        I see something else here. As well as at the end of the 70s, they cannot make highly accurate processing equipment. Only now it looks so clearly.
        1. Vladimir16 13 November 2019 08: 39 New
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          Who about what, and lousy about the bath.
          1. hrych 13 November 2019 14: 06 New
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            Quote: Vladimir16
            Who about what, and lousy about the bath.

            The main thing is that they bought not purely machines, but
            in April 2014, Russia received a Japanese license from the Takizawa Machine Tool for the production of the latest lathes.
            The funny thing is that Russia on their machines makes things inaccessible to them. We bought machines for industrialization, bought machines at Stagnation, prepared Acceleration, but it turned out ... Now is a new round of industrialization. Toshiba, of course, thanks, but we could handle the files. laughing The panic among the Americans then began when our submarines began to enter the warrants. Then, of course, with guidance it was hard, I had to get close to the adversary. Well, a torpedo attack was a defining tactic, and its radius is not large. Also, SOSUS did not justify itself. Here the Japanese fell under the hand.
        2. Pessimist22 13 November 2019 08: 43 New
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          I totally agree! In many sectors, Russia is technologically very far behind.
          1. Vitalii21 13 November 2019 09: 25 New
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            Let me guess! In the production of phones?
            1. Nenie Lynn 13 November 2019 09: 40 New
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              Quote: Vitalii21
              Let me guess! In the production of phones?

              the fact that you even understood the phones, but where is it ahead? Where is the leader?
              1. Borsht 13 November 2019 10: 07 New
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                Quote: Nenie Lynn
                Where is the leader?

                In the nuclear industry.
              2. Sergey1987 13 November 2019 12: 02 New
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                Quote: Nenie Lynn
                what phones do you even understand

                In your Russian Federation can not produce mobile phones?
                1. Rzzz 13 November 2019 12: 24 New
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                  So who can? The USA cannot either; Europe cannot. You look behind the back wall of the reference iphon. Made in China.
                  Occasionally in some samsungs Korea, Taiwan or Malaysia. Sometimes Bangladesh or India.
                2. Spambox 14 November 2019 08: 51 New
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                  The Russian Federation cannot produce an element base for telephones, and consequently, telephones (well, maybe turntables can) the lag in the production of microelectronics and processors is so significant that it will not catch up with competitors in the foreseeable future. Have to buy. The other day, the court in Zelenograd declared bankrupt, the plant was built immediately on outdated technological processes in 2000, money was spent (sawn?), There were 0 competitive products, there was nothing to issue licenses. We sit on the sidelines.
                  1. Sergey1987 14 November 2019 17: 47 New
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                    Quote: Spambox
                    The Russian Federation cannot issue an element base for telephones

                    Maybe but not profitable. Therefore, the same Yotafon was released in Southwest Asia.
                    Quote: Spambox
                    the lag in the production of microelectronics and processors is so significant that in the foreseeable future it will not work to catch up with competitors.

                    You at least read something before you talk nonsense. The most modern Intel i3 and Intel i5 processors, built on the Ivy Bridge architecture, are produced using the 22 nm process technology. The Baikal Electronics company produces 22 nm by the process technology. This is despite the fact that few people in the world generally have a microelectronic industry. In 2017, Elvis NPO had an ELISE processor for computer vision systems, manufactured using 28 nm technology.
                    A common misconception, according to which advanced devices can supposedly be done exclusively on the freshest “nanometer”. This, of course, is not so - the advanced process may be too expensive or not suitable, for example, for temperature characteristics. The simplest example is very popular in Russia, the STM32 microcontroller (a French-Italian company), advanced in its class, is based on the British ARM Cortex M4, which has been produced from 2011 to the present. It is made on the technology of 90 nanometers. At Angstrom-T, it is just the production of 90-nanometer technology.
                    Quote: Spambox
                    The other day, the court in Zelenograd declared bankrupt, the plant was built immediately on outdated technological processes in 2000, money was spent (sawn down?), 0 competitive products, there is nothing to issue licenses.

                    Angstrom-T went bankrupt and now it is under the control of VEB, no one has closed production there, and there is Angstrom-M, it worked and still does not go bankrupt. In the same Zelenograd Mikron. And there is still a bunch of microelectronics manufacturers in the Russian Federation. The products are competitive, but what license you are sculpting here is not at all clear.
                    So aside, only you smoke, instead of reading something.
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                    2. Spambox 14 November 2019 20: 13 New
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                      Well, my answer to you is tinder. But I am ready to repeat briefly:
                      1. Sandy bridge and ivy bridge 2011 and 2012, respectively. These are far from the most modern processors) you are apparently behind the progress (like our elemental base)
                      2. Modern intel i9, icelake processors is a 10nm process technology
                      All data is publicly available, search for help (by the way, if you use Yandex, this is a Dutch company de facto)
                      3. A license about which you do not know was acquired by the Angstrem-T plant along with the chip production line from AMD and the plant lost it, since it came under sanctions (although the line was outdated already at the time of purchase)
                      4. Iota von is a regular smartphone where there is not a single domestic component; if it is profitable to produce it even on the moon, it will not become domestic from this.
                      So quoting you: “So as a smoke, only you smoke, instead of reading something” (c)
                      1. Sergey1987 15 November 2019 15: 43 New
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                        Quote: Spambox
                        1. Sandy bridge and ivy bridge 2011 and 2012, respectively. These are far from the most modern processors) you are apparently behind the progress (like our elemental base)

                        ))) pseudo specialist, let's start with the fact that ivy bridge is not a processor, but the microarchitecture of the Intel Core processor, I have not lagged behind the progress. And if the Intel i3 and Intel i5 processors were launched in 2010, this does not mean that they are old. In October 2017, the eighth-generation Coffee Lake quad-core processors were introduced with the 3xxxx numbering. They have an unlocked multiplier. In August 8, the processors passed a test that showed that in some scenarios they could compete with the Core i2017.
                        And the critic’s question is in the technical process, about which you wrote above, and not in architecture. You are so progressive that you cannot even imagine with your head.
                        Quote: Spambox
                        The plant was built immediately on obsolete 2000 technical processes

                        I gave you an example of a company that produces 28 nm process technology and gave an example:
                        Quote: Sergey1987
                        The simplest example is very popular in Russia, the STM32 microcontroller (a French-Italian company), advanced in its class, is based on the British ARM Cortex M4, which has been produced from 2011 to the present. It is made on the technology of 90 nanometers. At Angstrom-T, it is just the production of 90-nanometer technology.

                        And now, do not tell me the critic, why are processors made on 90 nm technology worse than processors made on 14 nm technology?
                        Quote: Spambox
                        intel i9, icelake is a 10nm process technology

                        )))) not 10 nm, but 14 nm.
                        Quote: Spambox
                        Use Yandex, then this is a Dutch company de facto)

                        For people like you, one of the founders of Yandex already answered:
                        - You are a Dutch company.
                        - No, we are a Russian company. There is a company created by Russian people with Russian money, which operates in Moscow, in which 2500 employees are paid a salary, paid taxes on this salary; working in Russia and creating a product for Russia. This company is called Russian. Moreover, it is incorporated abroad. Foreign shareholders due to the lack of a correct law on joint-stock companies in Russia are afraid to create a legal entity here.
                        I have no desire and time to conduct a discussion with an empty bell, the whole purpose of which is nagging and charring the authorities in the Russian Federation.
                      2. Spambox 15 November 2019 17: 16 New
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                        Pseudo specialist, let's start with the fact that ivy bridge is not a processor, but the microarchitecture of the Intel Core processor, I have not lagged behind the progress. And if the Intel i3 and Intel i5 processors were launched in 2010, this does not mean that it’s old
                        you contradict yourself, the post above you wrote that processors with ivy bridge core architecture are the most modern, then write that they were launched in 2010, and then refer to processors of 2017 with a different architecture. What is it like?
                        Microsoft also has a representative office in Russia, pays taxes, Russians work for the company, is this a Russian company, or are they also afraid of losses due to the lack of the “right law”? Well, what’s the difference between a 90nm and 10nm processor, the number of transistors, heat dissipation, power consumption and size) You have a mess in your head, I admit that you are a little confused, and I do not always criticize everything Russian, but I don’t shout URA on every corner .
                  2. mvg
                    mvg 14 November 2019 22: 19 New
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                    Yes, you yourself would read that. Although at 3dnews dot ru. Ivy Bridge for many years. Processor technology in 12-14 micron phones.
                    Your Elbrus, Baikal at the Intel Atom level.
                    It is China that is practically making its Intel A5 level processors, and Russia will no longer catch up with either Intel or AMD.
                    And he will not make phones, there is no element base or matrices. If only on lamps and picture tubes
                    1. vka
                      vka 15 November 2019 07: 08 New
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                      it’s immediately obvious that you don’t know Nichrome, the liberals heard a lot about how bad everything is 12-14 microns; what a tragedy, stink as many as three cars, but what kind of electronics does the C400 work on, the flies fly and so on and don’t even remember the main thing in microcircuits is the microns but the content , simple logic can give a head start in the necessary calculations to the modern process with a hook !!!
                    2. Spambox 15 November 2019 08: 23 New
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                      You don’t seem to understand anything in the production of semiconductors and processors in particular, if those processes are not important for you (the technological process affects the number of
                      the transistors in the chip and the size of this chip, power consumption and heat dissipation, if that’s rude), and the question on which element base the calibers fly is very interesting, I think we buy a good half from China and damned competitors through Myanmar, for example (we buy broadcom chips for domestic switches in 3 countries, since besides broadcom no one is doing them at the proper level). So you can blow your cheeks and puff with calibers as much as you like, and with 400 the situation will not change.
                    3. mvg
                      mvg 16 November 2019 11: 24 New
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                      I do not listen to the "liberals" I have been doing this professionally since 1998. Even earlier. Who told you that only Russians rummage in logic? It is precisely in Intel and AMD processes that sets of logic are sewn up. Optimization of most programs goes just for them. Others are tuned.
                      And you continue to soak in the pink clouds. If in Taiwan we buy a plant with a technology level of 28 microns, and AMD Raizen9 is made using the technology of 7 microns. I repeat BUY and not produce.
                      Now in China we even buy CNC machines.
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        3. Protos 14 November 2019 00: 59 New
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          Quote: Nenie Lynn
          Takisawa machine tool

          Nuclear power plants, for example bully
      2. Grits 13 November 2019 09: 56 New
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        Quote: Vitalii21
        Let me guess! In the production of phones?

        No, they didn’t guess - in the production of machine tools. The USSR was once one of the leaders in machine tool construction and the export of machine tools was a serious article for obtaining currency. True, with CNC machines already started to lag. And here we live - now not only Japan, but China also supplies us with machines. Which we once pulled out of an agricultural country and delivered our machines.
        1. Sergey1987 13 November 2019 12: 02 New
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          Quote: Gritsa
          And here we live - now not only Japan, but China also supplies us with machines.

          The Russian Federation is full of machine tool companies.
          1. 210ox 13 November 2019 12: 59 New
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            That's exactly the companies. Even Ulyanovsk. Where was UZTM, there is now a company for the sale of machine tools. And factories in Krasnodar and Ryazan, where they work for hundreds of hard workers.
            1. Tank jacket 13 November 2019 16: 58 New
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              Sterlitamak yet hi
            2. sh3roman 13 November 2019 17: 53 New
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              Nizhny Novgorod forgot zefs, no more
            3. Sergey1987 14 November 2019 09: 16 New
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              Quote: 210ox
              That's exactly the companies.

              That's exactly production companies
              Quote: 210ox
              Where was UZTM, there is now a company for the sale of machine tools.

              Do not tell tales. I watch critics like you think no one here Google and Yandex can not use?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBhAsv7tru0
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbLJaXdZslA
              Quote: 210ox
              And factories in Krasnodar and Ryazan, where they work for hundreds of hard workers.

              And how much should work? Million? What century do you live in? In modern factories, now many people do not work, everything is automated.
              They remembered already three machine-tool plants and were blown away. We don’t produce anything, just trade. In the modern conditions of the Internet, you can always find information and videos, so there’s no need to deal with lies, with only one goal to find out how bad things are with us and howl to the authorities.
              Here is a list of machine-tool production, if you can only lie and water with mud, but not google:
              https://www.wiki-prom.ru/43/page2/stankostroitelnye-zavody.html
        2. Okolotochny 13 November 2019 12: 22 New
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          Have you tried to read the article? We bought CNC machines in Japan, we bought the USSR. By the way, the first CNC machines in the USSR were precisely Japanese and West German. In what place were the USSR then the leader ???
          1. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 17: 29 New
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            Quote: Okolotochny
            Have you tried to read the article? We bought CNC machines in Japan, the USSR bought

            And the Japanese bought CNC machines in the SSR.
            1. Okolotochny 13 November 2019 17: 48 New
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              Volodya, this is nonsense. If single purchases for research, then this does not count. By the way, VO had infa in the Baltic states - before the collapse of the Union, almost all plants were modernized by it. Guess three times what kind of machines were there? There was infa that a fair amount of CURRENCY was spent. And you will continue to maintain that in the USSR, machine tool building (in the 80s) was ahead of the rest?
              1. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 17: 55 New
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                Quote: Okolotochny
                Volodya, this is nonsense. If single purchases for research, then this does not count.

                I perfectly remember the angry article in Komsomolskaya Pravda, the year in 88, which went bankrupt, so, they say, the Japanese remove electronics the size of a cabinet from our CNC machines and put their own little box.
              2. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 17: 59 New
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                Quote: Okolotochny
                And you will continue to maintain that in the USSR, machine tool construction (in 80) was ahead of the rest?

                Of course not. Some machines we could produce, some - no. But the situation with machine tools was much better.
                1. Okolotochny 13 November 2019 18: 07 New
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                  Yes, they did, without complicated electronic filling. And without electronics there is no corresponding accuracy. The article indicates this. Purchased imports.
                2. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 18: 31 New
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                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Yes, they did, without complicated electronic filling.

                  Made with stuffing. I saw it with my own eyes. There really is, with a half-cabinet of electronics it was.
                3. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 23: 46 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Made with stuffing. I saw it with my own eyes. There really is, with a half-cabinet of electronics it was.

                  There was no “half-cabinet” in those machines, I declare this, as the senior master of the machining section of the 30th workshop of the Vannikov plant.
                  At the end of the 90th year, the whole workshop was re-equipped with Soviet-made CNC machines, at that time, turners of the 6th category were working on the site and one of them was Hero Sots. Labor !!!
                4. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 23: 53 New
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  There was no “half-cabinet” in those machines

                  It was brought to us from ZIL. Well, we didn’t pay much attention to them, we made booths from titanium ...
                5. Sling cutter 14 November 2019 00: 47 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx

                  It was brought to us from ZIL. Well, we didn’t pay much attention to them, we made booths from titanium ..

                  The ZIL machines were brought to you very second-hand, the ZIL patamushta was massively reequipped to CNC machines, so the more significant and status factories updated the machine park in the first place, provided that ZIL initially produced the first KAMAZ and made cars, refrigerators and others Consumer goods are no worse than maybha and aig.
            2. Okolotochny 14 November 2019 12: 43 New
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              Cons are not mine. I don’t put those with whom we argue culturally.
              I saw it with my own eyes

              Volodya, well, "piece goods" what to discuss? Have I already given you an example for AZLK and Pontiac on its territory? This is the state, and most importantly thinking, not to be confused with thinking, was in the main part of the country's leadership, in managers. This is all trouble. What can I say when in the defense enterprises in the late 80s imported CNC machines began to appear. I saw it with my own eyes, I went through practice.
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    Gritsa (Alexander)

    Give this to your opponents, otherwise I don’t fit with them, a dozen dense and vicious laughing
    USSR exports of essential goods


    1960
    1970
    1980
    1985
    1986
    Metal-cutting machines, thousand units
    2,1
    12,3
    14,0
    7,9
    9,1
    Forging equipment, million rubles
    4,7
    13,6
    29,3
    40,2
    41,7
    Power equipment, million rubles
    22,9
    217
    885
    1565
    1260
    Electrical equipment, million rubles
    14,8
    29,9
    130
    158
    185
    Equipment for the food industry, million rubles
    1,3
    52,2
    120
    73,6
    86,9
    Equipment for the textile industry, million rubles
    8,7
    18,9
    155
    137
    141
    Equipment for the chemical industry, million rubles
    5,3
    53,2
    89,5
    104
    124
    Equipment for forestry, pulp and paper and woodworking industries, million rubles
    0,7
    10,2
    46,7
    49,0
    50,2
    Tractors, thousand units
    18,9
    28,3
    50,7
    39,0
    39,1
    Agricultural machinery, million rubles
    38,2
    57,2
    201
    273
    268
    Trucks, thousand units
    24,2
    34,9
    41,9
    39,6
    38,9
    Buses
    237
    1380
    2 560
    2404
    2919
    Cars, thousand units
    30,2
    84,8
    329
    266
    306
    Coal (including charge) and anthracite, million tons
    12,3
    24,5
    25,3
    28,3
    33,5
    Coal coke, thousand tons
    2646
    4157
    3 761
    2907
    2633
    Crude oil, million tons
    17,8
    66,8
    119
    117
    130
    Petroleum products, synthetic liquid fuel, million tons
    15,4
    29,0
    41,3
    49,7
    56,8
    Combustible gas, billion m3
    0,2
    3,3
    54,2
    68,7
    79,2
    Electricity, billion kWh
    0,0
    5,3
    19,9
    29,3
    30,2
    Iron ore, million tons
    15,2
    36,1
    38,1
    34,0
    36,0
    Manganese ore, thousand tons
    973
    1243
    1255
    1126
    1 101
    Cast iron, thousand tons
    1801
    4815
    4175
    4465
    5512
    Ferroalloys, thousand tons
    155
    364
    499
    646
    771
    Rolled ferrous metals, thousand tons
    2 728
    6992
    7 997
    8318
    8864
    Pipes, thousand tons
    205
    341
    388
    420
    437
    Phosphorus fertilizers, thousand tons
    224
    710
    704
    753
    955
    Potash fertilizers, thousand tons
    629
    3147
    6 605
    5 456
    5127
    Nitrogen fertilizers, thousand tons
    260
    1246
    2866
    5048
    5 857
    Preparations for pest control in agriculture, thousand tons
    2,7
    11,9
    23,0
    32,0
    29,4
    Round wood, million m3
    4,4
    15,3
    13,9
    15,4
    18,1
    Lumber, thousand m3.
    4980
    7980
    7 132
    7 767
    8080
    Glued plywood, thousand m3
    129
    281
    314
    410
    445
    Paper, thousand tons
    122
    475
    647
    709
    717
    Cardboard, thousand tons
    1,1
    247
    372
    396
    471
    Cotton fiber, thousand tons
    391
    517
    843
    659
    713
    Grain (except cereal), thousand tons
    6818
    5698
    1738
    1751
    1460
    including:
    wheat
    5624
    4733
    1524
    1325
    1181
    barley.
    324
    503
    56,7
    145
    42,3
    oat
    41,5
    8,6
    11,6
    15,2
    15,4
    Food vegetable oils, thousand tons
    91,8
    372
    124
    135
    141
    Household sewing machines, thousand pieces
    18,5
    117
    154
    139
    130
    Household refrigerating cases, thousand units
    16.8
    78,6
    506
    1153
    1147
    Household watches, including mechanisms, mln. Pcs.
    4,0
    10,7
    22,4
    19,5
    17,6
    Cameras, thousand pieces
    76,3
    621
    1225
    836
    922
    TVs, thousand units
    104
    123
    690
    839
    1045
    Radio receivers, thousand units
    12,8
    1211
    1021
    1255
    1236

    Source: National Economy of the USSR for 70 years
    Anniversary Statistical Yearbook
  • at84432384 13 November 2019 20: 14 New
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    The USSR with machines did not particularly lag behind. In some years, 12 or more CNC machines were produced — more than in the rest of the world combined. Here with the nomenclature there were problems that were solved by purchases abroad. Only the best was bought like that machine (if that monster can be called a machine) in the article. And now we are buying CNC machines in the DPRK. For all this, you can only "thank" our "patriotic" authorities for fully opening up the domestic market by joining the WTO.
  • tolancop 14 November 2019 17: 47 New
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    Grita, the USSR had a developed machine tool industry. And machines with processing centers were willingly bought over the hill .... Only here the CNC systems and drives at these centers were imported.
    Domestic systems and drives did not reach import both in electronics with software and in reliability.
    Quote: 210ox
    I see something else here. As well as at the end of the 70s, they cannot make highly accurate processing equipment. Only now it looks so clearly.

    Precision machines and multi-axis machines are not the same thing
  • Greg Miller 13 November 2019 10: 09 New
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    Quote: Vitalii21
    Let me guess! In the production of phones?

    But do not guess anything ... In all sectors, with the exception of the nuclear industry, Chubais was still not allowed to enter ...
  • Sergey1987 13 November 2019 12: 00 New
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    Quote: Pessimist22
    In many sectors, Russia is technologically very far behind.

    In which industry?
  • Okolotochny 13 November 2019 12: 20 New
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    So the article says USSR bought machines Why, then, in the backwardness of hai Russia, and are silent during the time of the Communists ??? Why not high in this regard of the USSR ??? Are you afraid of a brain explosion ???
  • Alexey LK 14 November 2019 04: 45 New
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    Can you name at least one country that has not "lagged behind" in anything, which is directly in all areas a leader or one of the leaders?
  • Cottodraton 13 November 2019 10: 29 New
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    Isn't it true?) Just don’t tell this to my teacher on the methodology of scientific research in mechanical engineering ... The professor will not appreciate your joke ...
    1. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 17: 33 New
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      Just do not tell this to my teacher on the methodology of scientific research in mechanical engineering ...

      Well, what will he tell us, your teacher? You, a student, simply did not see how many and what kind of machine tools were in the USSR. Interestingly, they themselves at least in a labor lesson, grind something?
      1. Cottodraton 14 November 2019 02: 04 New
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        I’m a milling machine operator with 15 years of experience ... And I know more about equipment than yours ...
        1. Mordvin 3 14 November 2019 07: 07 New
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          I’m a milling machine operator with 15 years of experience ... And I know more about equipment than yours ...

          Are you sure? I stood for the milling machine in 80.
          1. Cottodraton 14 November 2019 10: 43 New
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            And what, I believe your stories, about the fact that the USSR did not have highly accurate equipment? I probably believe the respected professor, who claims the opposite, and not the late Soviet relic, who still admires all the Western ... I have seen enough of "yours" in childhood
            1. Mordvin 3 14 November 2019 12: 38 New
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              And what, I believe your stories, about the fact that the USSR did not have highly accurate equipment?

              You are Miracle-Yudo. On the contrary, I say.
  • Serg65 13 November 2019 11: 55 New
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    As well as at the end of 70, we cannot make highly accurate processing equipment

    From 1929 to 1939, the USSR purchased 300 thousand machines. From 1940 to 1945, another $ 465 million
    In the 1966 year, the USSR for $ 60 million acquired the Italian typewriter and calculator factories from the Italian Olivetti.
    In 1972, the USSR purchased 164 grinding machines from the Bryant Chucking Grinder Company for the production of tool bearings worth $ 20 million.
    Machine-tool building in Russia is developing at a fairly brisk pace, but after the imposition of sanctions, foreign manufacturers, such as DMG-Mori, began to open production in Russia, which in turn would be more competitive for Russian machine tool builders .... well, here the cards are in the hands of the Government and the machine tool builders themselves!
    1. sh3roman 13 November 2019 17: 58 New
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      Since 2009, I worked in banks, I have never seen loans issued for the purchase of our equipment, machine tools, and if it was Italy, Germany, South Korea, and Japan, sometimes Turkey, then from 2014 only China, and that’s
      1. Serg65 14 November 2019 08: 22 New
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        with xnumx only china

        In September 2016, between DMG MORI and the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, a Special Investment Contract was signed.
        ..... here and u hi
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          And then what ?????? what is the promise of the post? That everything is fine with us? Screws, knives and hacksaws from China, door handles and Chinese locks, we don’t have ours !!! Do you live in parallel reality?
  • Serg koma 13 November 2019 11: 12 New
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    China, as it were, calls for everything to buy from him.

    It seemed to me that this was not the “highlight” of the article, but that Russia really needed China, and “ONLY THANKS” China could at least create something. wassat But this is ONLY a Chinese opinion.
  • Bogatyrev 14 November 2019 10: 47 New
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    Yes, what problems? )))
    Let them only sell and give partner prices, and not as in the year 14)))
  • Tiksi-3 13 November 2019 09: 03 New
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    China was offended that he didn’t get the whole piece of the “sanction pie”?

    the question is not who will supply us, but the fact that our "ingenious" managers from DAM to Putin did not bother to develop the country ... it's a shame
    1. Serg65 13 November 2019 11: 56 New
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      our "ingenious" managers from DAM to Putin did not bother to develop the country

      Are you sure about that?
      1. Tiksi-3 13 November 2019 13: 44 New
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        Quote: Serg65
        Are you sure about that?

        I yes, and you?
        1. Serg65 14 November 2019 08: 24 New
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          and you?

          Me not! If only because you are not working in the field now to help collective farms in the struggle for the harvest, but sit on the sofa and knock on the clave wink
          1. ksv36 14 November 2019 20: 02 New
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            If only because you are not working in the field right now to help collective farms in the struggle for the harvest, but sit on the sofa and tap wink on the clave

            And howling, I would love to go for potatoes, and for tomatoes and cabbage. And apples with pears and cherries. Yes, all the same effffekivny have poheril. Our fruit and vegetables are not allowed to go, only import and only for bucks. What do we eat, gentlemen, democrats? Who will tell us? Palm oil? Well, that is not yet a solidol. In our stavropol region, millions of flocks of sheep grazed. Collective farms were millionaires. And all this until the last day of the USSR. And now we have what we have. For me, it’s better to fight the crop than how you can - to sit on the couch, knock on the keys, jam the spread sandwich, drink it with a dairy product.
    2. Sergey1987 13 November 2019 12: 04 New
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      our "brilliant" managers from DAM to Putin did not bother to develop the country ... it's a shame

      They just develop, just open your eyes.
      1. Fan-fan 13 November 2019 20: 15 New
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        Only at the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, 10 billion were lost (stolen), and how many are stealing in the rest of the country?
        They just develop,
        Yes, they are developing great - they are stealing the country.
        1. Scoun 13 November 2019 21: 22 New
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          Only at the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, 10 billion were lost (stolen), and how many are stealing in the rest of the country?
          They just develop,
          Yes, they are developing great - they are stealing the country.

          Tin! wassat personally steal.
          The bastards started a construction project and how much from the Crimean one Medvedev stole)))
        2. Sergey1987 14 November 2019 16: 48 New
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          Only at the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome, 10 billion were lost (stolen), and how many are stealing in the rest of the country?

          And who stole? Personally, the president and prime minister? It is just the subcontractors who steal, the average private business.
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Yes, they are developing great - they are stealing the country.

          First, read what state development is. The top of power is stealing? But do not tell me how? And it’s generalized to chat about the fact that everyone steals easily, but you can’t provide evidence.
  • Bar2 13 November 2019 09: 10 New
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    all the same can do its own and not depend on Japanese and Chinese?
    1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 09: 39 New
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      all the same can do its own and not depend on Japanese and Chinese?

      Back in the 30 years, there was a party decree on the excess of production of group "A" (production of means of production) over group "B". Then Germany helped us a lot, but now there is nobody. Somewhere a year or two ago it slipped through that such machines were dismantled in the Urals, but they weren’t handed over to the “needles” but hidden, and then they were restored from Medvedev’s decree. Maybe this is a "duck", but this problem with such machines remains. After Stalin, our rulers did not really deal with these issues, but worked on the old backlog. I still remember what the problem was with the production of semiconductors, and there were a lot of problems, but many remained unsolved. Maybe someone on the site did this and enlightens us.
      1. Bar2 13 November 2019 09: 43 New
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        and now there’s nobody.


        Yes, and we don’t need to help us, we ourselves can do everything both machines and electronics. It’s only necessary that this rotten trading system does not interfere.
        1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 10: 43 New
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          and don’t need to help us, we ourselves can do everything and cars

          For this, you first need to get somewhere "means, means of production."
          1. SSR
            SSR 13 November 2019 11: 24 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Bar2
            and don’t need to help us, we ourselves can do everything and cars

            For this, you first need to get somewhere "means, means of production."

            Not only this.
            Why now machine-tool clusters are being created across Russia, because needs have become "more understandable". Why a machine if there are no orders?
            I was faced with the fact that I need a product with a strength of 60-62 HRC and an accuracy of 0.01 mm. So, a number of enterprises were refused, they said they were loaded and they didn’t accept third-party orders, but a number of enterprises took over and they have not been able to produce them for 2.5 months! I found an enterprise with medium workload, they took it and do it, and so they have machines like Sodik, Mitsubishi and Adik, like, about a hundred! The main thing for all orders. Neighbors in Italian and Chinese worked, but in two years they assembled their machine, the selling price of which is two times lower than the Chinese! They sold the previous production and now opened the production of machine tools.
            I see a lot of things, the “German” machine comes in half a year later, the Germans arrived and did not recognize it))) it became a Russian machine tool with German roots.))) Ours changed it radically.
            1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 11: 49 New
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              I see a lot of things, the “German” machine comes in half a year later, the Germans arrived did not recognize him))) he became a Russian machine tool with German roots.

              Craftsmen have not yet transferred to Russia, and they can shoe a flea and remake the machine that it is better than German, and survive in those conditions where the German will not live a day.
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                Craftsmen haven’t yet transferred to Russia, and they can shoe a flea and remake the machine,

                Yes, our people get out! Sorry I can’t tell, but the guys are young, 30+ mostly.
                Quote: UserGun
                The nameplate with the name in Russian does not need to outweigh much of the mind.

                Quote: SSR
                after half a year the Germans arrived did not recognize him)))

                This is clearly not about the "Nameplate".
                By the way, if you were just trying to sniff, then read about the Ishimbay machine-tool factory, about the Sterlitamak machine-tool ....
                1. UserGun 13 November 2019 13: 28 New
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                  This is clearly not about the "Nameplate".
                  By the way, if you were just trying to sniff, then read about the Ishimbay machine-tool factory, about the Sterlitamak machine-tool ....


                  Tyuyuyuyuyu .... This is what lies between us BIG difference. I just do repair and service and I know what’s inside, and not from the picture, the photo with the beautiful Russian letters of the nameplate with the name of the machine. In this, undoubtedly, the hand of the "manufacturers" filled.
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                    1. UserGun 13 November 2019 14: 08 New
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                      Quote: SSR
                      Yeah. There it is))) You know, not everyone has everything perfect. The French sold us a machine and six months later we searched for their specialists ourselves since the factory closed, the situation was similar with the Italians, but they don’t whine that the prosralipolymers.


                      By the way, why on "our" machines that you gave me as an example, in particular

                      Quote: SSR
                      Sterlitamak Machine Tool




                      On the counter flaunts a proud, but pagan and foreign to your cuckoo gay name - Siemens ?! And if you open the cabinet with electrical equipment, then there is not a single Russian letter?! And this is only a drop in the bucket ... No, well, if they started to change the nameplates, so change to EVERYTHING! ))) Why, forgive me for my French, publicly messing around ?!

                      What is this "alteration" ?! From empty to empty and pour the loudest screaming crow, repainted nameplates ?!
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                      the gay name is Siemens ?! And if you open the cabinet with electrical equipment, then there is not a single Russian letter?! And this is only a drop in the ocean ..

                      Well, look at the electronics (there is no question about household appliances). I worked with various manufacturers Sailor, Phillips, Simrad, Koden, Furuno, JRC, producing marine electronics. You look at the "nameplate" all the firms are European, Japanese, and state. Let's open let's say Danish GMDSS "Sailor" equipment, but if a couple of Danish parts are good, the rest is Korea, China, Malaysia (a lot). But the brand nameplate is Made in Danmark. And what are we worse than them? Even the first Soviet tractor was the Fordson, and GAZ-AA and much more. You can only make a doghouse and a moonshine yourself now.
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                      Quote: UserGun
                      On the counter flaunts a proud, but pagan and foreign to your cuckoo gay name - Siemens ?!

                      Quote: UserGun
                      What is such a "rework" ?! From empty to empty and pour the loudest screaming crow, repainted nameplates ?!

                      M-yes, who about what and you about your sore.
                      Do not forget about the cucumber.
                    4. sh3roman 13 November 2019 18: 05 New
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                      What kind of machines, what the fuck electronics, what are you talking about !!!!! hammers, hacksaws, nailing machines and Chinese screws, a scythe bought in the summer of China, two weeks ago I bought a damask handle, horseradish there, also china, all damn from china, or the opinion of the potreot mudbells still need ????
                    5. SSR
                      SSR 13 November 2019 19: 58 New
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                      hammers, hacksaws, nails

                      Yes, they do not consider advertising www.kvt.su they wanted to buy Chinese, they took and bought ours, too, quietly pulling themselves up.
                  2. Luvad 14 November 2019 11: 52 New
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                    Six-axis Russian machine, I can’t laugh!
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          he became a Russian machine tool with German roots


          The nameplate with the name in Russian does not need to outweigh much of the mind. But from this, the device does not become Russian.
      2. Bar2 13 November 2019 12: 28 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        and don’t need to help us, we ourselves can do everything and cars

        For this, you first need to get somewhere "means, means of production."

        so say, as if you live in a world of mass farsing, "get it," why should we get it when we just need to make our machines and equipment for ourselves.
        1. meandr51 13 November 2019 16: 56 New
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          No one in the world has a complete closed cycle for the production of sophisticated equipment. Where do these demands of exceptional autonomy come from? It is enough to have contacts with an independent supplier of components from NATO. The main thing is the cost, quality and quantity of the final product (aircraft, nuclear submarines, missiles and computers).
          1. at84432384 13 November 2019 20: 38 New
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            Here is only one tiny little problem, what to buy for? I paraphrase the cat Matroskin: before you buy something, you need to sell something. Oil, gas, forest? Well, 15-20 million people are enough for this, and what should be done for the rest? Mushrooms and berries to collect? Or maybe we still return "the country of dreamers, the country of scientists," as sung in the Soviet song? And then we will be proud of both our work and our country.
  • UserGun 13 November 2019 13: 32 New
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    Which of the two?
  • smart ass 14 November 2019 05: 37 New
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    The article forgot to mention the supply of salmon and shrimp from Belarus
  • Ural-4320 13 November 2019 08: 18 New
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    How much hypocrisy. laughing But has Chinese industry received little from the USSR?
    1. Pessimist22 13 November 2019 08: 45 New
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      They got the technology before 53, and then they got it themselves.
      1. Ural-4320 13 November 2019 08: 59 New
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        I really didn’t know that the space region of the USSR took place before the age of 53, and China itself mastered its space.
      2. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 09: 58 New
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        They got the technology before 53, and then they got it themselves.

        After 53, they received technology, but already to a limited extent. An example of a Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle, they got the technology, but they didn’t get it on the AKM (they had to lick it, but the wrong one turned out AKM). Then they began insolently, to steal the military transported along the CER with the outbreak of the Vietnam War in 1965. Well, after Daman technology, they went from the USA both legally and as always with the Chinese using the “licking” method.
        1. at84432384 13 November 2019 20: 42 New
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          The technology was not transferred to the AK (not to be confused with the drawings), for this reason, the Chinese Kalashnikov is complete shit. The highlight in Kalashnikov is the alloys from which the main components and parts are made, but their technology was not transmitted.
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            The technology was not transferred to the AK (not to be confused with the drawings), for this reason, the Chinese Kalashnikov is complete shit.

            I told you about AK-47 only!
    2. Zaurbek 13 November 2019 09: 07 New
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      China did what the USSR did not have time to do in the 80s and fell apart.
      1. Ural-4320 13 November 2019 09: 22 New
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        I would say differently: in the backlog of the USSR with minimal changes, China has achieved more than the USSR did. But in some areas. With the moon rovers, they snapped the whole world on the nose.
        1. Zaurbek 13 November 2019 09: 26 New
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          I mean that China has mastered Western technologies and developed them in a planned economy .... The USSR did not. Although the market was half the world! I don’t even take complicated things. Take the production of CX products and products. With modern technologies and lands of all the republics of the USSR, the whole world would feed. And not vice versa, as in the late USSR and early Russian Federation.
          1. Ural-4320 13 November 2019 10: 11 New
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            Fact! It is pointless to argue with this statement.
            But man is a sinful being. Father always said: "This is only a chicken pawing from itself, a person is always to himself." And with such a human property, any good deed can be ruined.
    3. Chaldon48 13 November 2019 09: 13 New
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      Where, did you see the manifestation of high morality when it comes to business?
    4. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 11: 00 New
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      How much hypocrisy. But has Chinese industry received little from the USSR?

      Good who rarely remembers. Remember Christ feed the 5000 man bread, but only three thanked him.
    5. UserGun 13 November 2019 13: 43 New
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      Interesting, but there are still 2 of China. One on the island, the other on the mainland. The USSR invested in one and it did not achieve success, the USA and other pagans invested in the second. The result over the years turned out to be depressing, a small island suddenly became cooler than China on the mainland. Who remained on the mainland scratched their turnips and broke for help to the pagans, which, apparently, they do not regret, because even here, on this resource, only the lazy in vain does not remember them. By the way, all the talk about the "Chinese" machines SUDDENLY! boil down to the fact that for some reason these same machines are being made in Taiwan ... Quaser, Akira Seiki, etc. etc.
      1. Ural-4320 13 November 2019 14: 34 New
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        In the early 90s, they also wanted to invest a lot from abroad in the Kaliningrad region. I worked with an architect and was looking at an international project for arranging Svetlogorsk and a promenade to the resort Mecca. Israel, Yugoslavia, Germany, Russia - these are only those countries that I remember. Projects from traditional to futuristic like a hotel in the sea with passage in the reverse aquarium.
        Not fused. Because the amount of the rollback for the implementation of the project was 50%. Israel was going to invest $ 5 billion (with that money), but knowing how much to give, politely left.
        This is me because the size of the territory is not important, it is important what kind of people inhabit it. Taiwan was lucky with people.
        "Children, be careful when choosing parents."
  • Greenwood 13 November 2019 08: 19 New
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    Toshiba company which sold “multi-axis CNC machines” to the Soviet Union
    Sanctions sanctions, and who will refuse money. And we paid regularly for the machines. The Japanese are more pragmatic than the Europeans with their political prejudices.
    1. Professor 13 November 2019 08: 58 New
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      Sanctions sanctions, and who will refuse money. And we paid regularly for the machines. The Japanese are more pragmatic than the Europeans with their political prejudices.

      Yeah. A significant example is the Japanese company Mitutoyo. They found the optics of this company in a container moving to Libya. In order to avoid super sanctions, CAMA imposed a ban on the export of its products for 12 months. damage billions of dollars. I assure you, neither Mitutoyo, nor any of the neighboring companies will no longer violate the sanctions. More expensive for yourself. Lose the US and EU markets for what?
      1. valeryb 13 November 2019 09: 16 New
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        In order to avoid super sanctions, CAMA imposed a ban on the export of its products for 12 months.

        If there were no sepuki, then they found another way.
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          Quote: Professor
          In order to avoid super sanctions, CAMA imposed a ban on the export of its products for 12 months.

          If there were no sepuki, then they found another way.

          Another way is to punish yourself.

          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And doesn’t free trade work at all? Or is the invisible hand of the market very likely beating the very sick? But what about free trade if they deprive money for it? So free trade is a myth? And because of this myth, our politicians have overwhelmed the whole country and system! This is what naive leaders have been promoted to the upper echelons of power! belay

          "Free trade" does not mean anarchy and a mess, but following within the accepted framework.
          1. valeryb 13 November 2019 10: 33 New
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            Another way is to punish yourself.

            Well, of course, the standard of conduct: “On September 14, 2006, the Tokyo district prosecutor accused four former heads of Mitutoyo Corporation. The company was fined for violating the Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Law, which prohibits companies from exporting any products for 6 months and exporting measuring instruments to for an additional 2,5 years (2007 - mid-2010). In addition, a Japanese court sentenced former leaders to years of imprisonment (suspended) and fined Mitutoyo 45 million yen (about 350 US dollars). It was discovered that Mitutoyo created software for its products that could fake the accuracy of measurements taken to circumvent customs checks.

            There is evidence that part of Mitutoyo's illegal exports helped with nuclear weapons programs in Libya, Iran, and North Korea. [5] [6] In particular, several Mitutoyo coordinate measuring machines were sold to Scomi [7] Precision Engineering in Malaysia. The Skomi scandal was part of a wider arms smuggling operation organized by Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Kadir Khan [8]. "
            from the wiki.
            1. Professor 13 November 2019 10: 35 New
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              Well, of course, the standard of behavior:

              The standard of behavior is to learn a lesson and not to repeat more mistakes.
          2. Cottodraton 13 November 2019 10: 35 New
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            Is it to blame someone as an enemy of the people of the United States and impose sanctions on the Huawitz, as soon as they realized that they could not withstand the technological race? Good “free trade”!) ... In childhood, this behavior was called “Hlyusda” ... As a rule, after several such tricks a person becomes a man without a handshake.
            1. Letun 13 November 2019 11: 23 New
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              Is it to blame someone as an enemy of the people of the United States and impose sanctions on the Huawitz, as soon as they realized that they could not withstand the technological race? Good “free trade”!) ... In childhood, this behavior was called “Hlyusda” ... As a rule, after several such tricks a person becomes a man without a handshake.

              A great analogy between the children's showdown in the sandbox, and global politics. Everything, now amicably, with the whole world, we call the behavior of the United States a chluse (the first time I really hear this word) and do not shake hands with it. Here, damn it, they will be upset!
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            Free trade "does not mean anarchy and a mess, but following within the accepted framework.

            Gold words!!!!!
            The USA introduced Jackson-Vanik trade sanctions into shaggy 70-e for restricting the exit of Jews. And forgot to cancel the type (probably belay )
            Already the country was gone, and the Jews went where they wanted 20 years, and only then canceled .... in the 21 century ...
            The only surprising thing is that Russophobes didn’t kick Putin for the “ban on the entry of Jews” —the United States is not mistaken, since the sanctions were not lifted, it means that Jews are not allowed into Israel ...
            Such are the international trade
            Quote: Professor
            adopted framework.

            fool fool
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              Quote: your1970
              Quote: Professor
              Free trade "does not mean anarchy and a mess, but following within the accepted framework.

              Gold words!!!!!
              The USA introduced Jackson-Vanik trade sanctions into shaggy 70-e for restricting the exit of Jews. And forgot to cancel the type (probably belay )
              Already the country was gone, and the Jews went where they wanted 20 years, and only then canceled .... in the 21 century ...
              The only surprising thing is that Russophobes didn’t kick Putin for the “ban on the entry of Jews” —the United States is not mistaken, since the sanctions were not lifted, it means that Jews are not allowed into Israel ...
              Such are the international trade
              Quote: Professor
              adopted framework.

              fool fool

              Do not like living and trading within the accepted framework? Group business is voluntary. Do not trade. Live like North Korea. On their own.

              Quote: Andron59
              Quote: Professor
              "Free trade" does not mean anarchy and a mess, but following within the accepted framework.

              And who accepts this framework and in whose interests? )))) So there is no need for fairy tales about FREE trade.

              In the interests of the strong. Install your CMEA and forth with the flag. Do you want our? Then do not show off.
              1. your1970 13 November 2019 20: 00 New
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                Do you want our? Then do not show off.

                Well, then say bluntly - trade is limited by politics. And then you throw the slogans- "Free market !!! blah blah blah ..... !!!"

                That's interesting, but what would happen and how would they screech if Putin framework of Jackson-Vanik would not give Jews foreign passports in 2000-e ?? !!! laughing lol
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            Quote: Professor
            "Free trade" does not mean anarchy and a mess, but following within the accepted framework.

            And who accepts this framework and in whose interests? )))) So there is no need for fairy tales about FREE trade.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2 13 November 2019 09: 46 New
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        And doesn’t free trade work at all? Or is the invisible hand of the market very likely beating the very sick? But what about free trade if they deprive money for it? So free trade is a myth? And because of this myth, our politicians have overwhelmed the whole country and system! This is what naive leaders have been promoted to the upper echelons of power! belay
        1. evgen1221 13 November 2019 10: 57 New
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          Well, free competition and the invisible hand of the market is only in the minds of our leaders — take an interest in how each week the price of gold is set on the English exchange — and then everywhere and for all commodities of the commodity group. so what is your gold price on Monday, what will suit you? -Well, 5 bucks, -Ok, I’m sorry with Vova-Vova and how much will suit you, well, things are bad, 1050 will go, Sanych here the price tag between 1300 and 1050 how do you like? Well, me and 1300 standards, -In general, guys so that everyone is good for tomorrow, we set the price at 1200 per ounce. That's how the initial pricing happens, and then small brokers around the world adjust the rate. And so on all the raw materials. And where is the market here ???
    2. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 10: 07 New
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      Quote: Greenwood
      Sanctions sanctions, and who will refuse money.

      Money doesn’t always decide everything. And the same Japan will lose more when its states are caught in violation. Here, Japan is more likely to play along with its mercantile (territorial) motives.
  • aszzz888 13 November 2019 08: 22 New
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    Japan continues active trade and economic cooperation with the Russian Federation, which in itself destroys the "sanctioned monolith."

    Possibly. But the culprits of the main "destroyer" of sanctions are the culprits of this triumph)) - the mericatos. During the introduction of sanctions, in terms of lard greens, trade with them has grown significantly.
    1. cniza 13 November 2019 08: 52 New
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      So they did sanctions for this, removed competitors.
      1. bouncyhunter 13 November 2019 09: 22 New
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        Hi Victor! hi
        Quote: cniza
        removed competitors

        Typical behavior of mattresses.
        I don’t know how anyone, but in the article between the lines I read the message of the Chinese author that Japan and especially China would not help Russia - figs Russia would have high-tech weapons. Type require share laurels.
      2. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 10: 12 New
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        Quote: cniza
        So they did sanctions for this, removed competitors.

        And the competitors were removed and the Europeans forced to impose sanctions, and those who violate the same sanctions. An example of Turkey - buy C-400 we will introduce sanctions. And tomorrow, the meeting Erdogan-Trump will show who will prevail. (think trump).
  • engineer74 13 November 2019 08: 23 New
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    As far as I know the story with these machines, the measure was temporary. While doing their work, they worked for the Japanese. Now, unfortunately, their machines will not be long ...
    1. Mestny 13 November 2019 08: 44 New
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      So how is it? Did you make your own?
      1. Alexander I 13 November 2019 08: 56 New
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        You are ironic in vain, the machines really made and even sold them not in the social. camp, which also did not like the "partners".
        1. Mestny 13 November 2019 09: 20 New
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          I am far from irony.
          I know firsthand what Soviet copies of for example Japanese equipment looked like, though they weren’t machine tools. So these copies together lost to the originals. Soviet industry could not produce any relevant reliable electronics, or some materials. And multiplied by our traditional attitude to work at work, all this gave an occasion only to use foul language, pouring combustible tears, and envy those who had the originals of Japanese manufacture.
          I don’t know anything about this particular case
          But is it really a miracle?
          1. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 09: 30 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            Soviet industry could not produce any relevant reliable electronics, or some materials.

            In electronics we lagged behind on 5-8 for years, but not on 20-30, as you wrote.
            Quote: Mestny
            And multiplied by our traditional attitude to work at work, all this gave an occasion only to use foul language, pouring combustible tears, and envy those who had the originals of Japanese manufacture.

            I wonder what kind of production you worked at.
            1. Mestny 13 November 2019 09: 35 New
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              Production of electronic components for various equipment of submarines and the Navy in general.
              Electronics lagged behind just on 20-30.
              But the truth is different: suddenly, completely modern microcircuits and technology details of the 60s could suddenly appear in one product. Assembly in general is naturally manual. By the way, this made life extremely difficult for designers - the lack of a modern, and most importantly, reliable elemental base during development.
              On paper, everything is chic and a step into the future. In the "metal" everything is sad.
              1. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 09: 39 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                Electronics lagged behind just on 20-30.

                Give examples. Can you? Where are we on 20-30 years behind?
          2. Demon_is_ada 13 November 2019 10: 23 New
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            I saw the same Soviet CNC and worked on them in practice ... What kind of superpowder electronics is needed for CNC ??? belay Everything is completely solved there by logic on oak 155, even now the maximum is the controller of the 80s laughing Not to be confused with design systems that consume resources and require high-performance processors, but this is also done by the presence of competent designers who use brains.
            Another point - how many machines are needed for the production of boat propellers, if the annual demand for propellers is 0,25 laughing These are unique, very expensive and complex machines and it is easier to buy them than to produce, since you need 1 machine in 20 years. And you don’t have to drive them to be used for conversion, I remember how on unique rolling machines for the production of seamless tanks for rockets they made saucepans from the highest quality stainless steel, is this, you imagine the cost of this super saucepan ??? The same applies to laser 3D printers, only for prototyping, but not for mass production! Otherwise, you just do not buy anything because of the price and no one will buy!
            1. frog 13 November 2019 10: 40 New
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              As for the pots - I agree completely. As for the screws - you are somewhat mistaken))) About an order of magnitude, even a little more repeat
              1. Demon_is_ada 13 November 2019 10: 49 New
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                I’m talking about those times, there generally weren’t any screws needed, now it’s kind of like something started to move ...
      2. engineer74 13 November 2019 10: 17 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        So how is it? Did you make your own?

        At that time, the ministry of the machine tool and tool industry (or what was it called then?) Was loaded with machines for the Energia-Buran project above the roof and delicately discarded from shipbuilders. The machines for this program were much more complicated than the Japanese. hi
    2. Grits 13 November 2019 10: 13 New
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      Quote: engineer74
      As far as I know the story with these machines, the measure was temporary. While doing their work, they worked for the Japanese. Now, unfortunately, their machines will not be long ...

      Where temporary is, there is permanent. Old Russian saying.
      I perfectly remember this scandal with Japanese machine tools. even read in some newspaper our feuilleton on this topic. Where the Americans made fun of, how they perfectly heard our eyeliners equipped with screws, which, in the strong opinion of the Yankees, were made by some drunk Cossack from some Zaporozhye. And here - bam - silence. It turns out that Yapi super technological machines put Russian. This article claimed that all this is nonsense of American propaganda, we don’t have any Japanese machines and we ourselves own excellent technologies and machines.
      However, by chance, in the early 90s, I ended up in Severodvinsk. Where in the 2nd workshop of the Zvyozdochka factory I saw with my own eyes those same carousels with the inscription "Toshiba". The Kotorys perfectly ranged for the benefit of the defense capabilities of our fleet. And then they did not find a replacement.
    3. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 10: 14 New
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      Quote: engineer74
      The measure was temporary.

      Well, we all know that "There is nothing more permanent than temporary." And this formula has been working for us for decades.
      1. engineer74 13 November 2019 11: 51 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: engineer74
        The measure was temporary.

        Well, we all know that "There is nothing more permanent than temporary." And this formula has been working for us for decades.

        It was the middle of 80's ... The country was already sentenced. sad
        1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 12: 14 New
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          It was the middle of 80's ... The country was already sentenced.

          I don’t argue, they sentenced, but work began earlier.
  • andrewkor 13 November 2019 08: 24 New
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    I read about the scandal with Toshiba in the Soviet press (there simply was no other, apart from the “votes”), I was quietly glad for the capitalists that they would sell the “rope” for profit. In adulthood, he had already learned about the "multi-path" of the Soviet special services.
    1. rocket757 13 November 2019 08: 41 New
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      Well, yes, they loved to savor such a topic with us, about the capitalist and the rope.
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        Quote: rocket757
        Well, yes, they loved to savor such a topic with us, about the capitalist and the rope.

        Well, and where today savored where are the capitalists and where is the rope.
        1. rocket757 13 November 2019 09: 37 New
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          Quote: valeryb
          Well, and where today savored where are the capitalists and where is the rope.

          Some who called for "savor", now themselves around and around that rope, curl.
          Such is the dialectic of life, many who call, are by no means in a hurry to follow their calls.
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            Quote: rocket757
            Some who called for "savor", now themselves around and around that rope, curl.
            Such is the dialectic of life, many who call, are by no means in a hurry to follow their calls.
            Absolutely, I would like to hope that many today, waving different slogans, flags, banners, did not forget that he can sometimes turn into a boomerang with a sickle. But no, suppose our memory is short.
            1. rocket757 13 November 2019 10: 46 New
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              Even OUR memory has to worry ... because no one has canceled dementia! And for the younger generation do not worry, it is necessary to FIGHT! Just so that they remember and learn not to make promises and slogans, but to include common sense on time and always ... they can be protected from complete nonsense and deceit! And then he studies, studies and studies again!
      2. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 12: 15 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Well, yes, they loved to savor such a topic with us, about the capitalist and the rope.

        But they forgot, there were two necks.
        1. rocket757 13 November 2019 12: 33 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          But they forgot, there were two necks.

          Who else was in the candidates?
          I don’t seem to complain about the memory, but somehow, there are no associations anymore.
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            Who else was in the candidates?

            The one who is already gone. The neck remained one "capitalist".
  • knn54 13 November 2019 08: 31 New
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    And the Yankees buy liquefied gas on Yamal from French "intermediaries" through French intermediaries. And nothing.
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      In my opinion, they act directly without intermediaries.
      1. Alexander I 13 November 2019 08: 59 New
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        no, they really act through the scheme, otherwise in the USA you can run into a fine, they have a law.
        1. cniza 13 November 2019 09: 00 New
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          It was before, and now the law is for enemies, but for their own interests ...
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      And the Yankees buy liquefied gas on Yamal from French "intermediaries" through French intermediaries. And nothing.

      For them, this is business, and if we are "a violation of democracy and the violation of European values."
  • Amateur 13 November 2019 08: 32 New
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    The author in a Chinese publication recalls that during the Cold War, the West had complaints against Japan, whose Toshiba company sold "multi-axis CNC machines" to the Soviet Union.

    There was such a junk called "CoCom", which prohibited the export to the USSR of high-tech equipment and materials. And there was such a small but proud country of Finland, in which Nokia was a company that bought equipment in the West, pasted its nameplates and resold it in the USSR. True, they did something on the machines themselves, which were also banned for export. The whole world pretended that no one knew about it.
    Money doesn’t smell ”(lat. Pecunia non olet)
    Vespasian, (69-79 AD)
    1. frog 13 November 2019 10: 43 New
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      The whole world pretended that no one knew about it.

      Yes, how to say. After the Finns did the “Worlds" to us, they were strained quite seriously.
  • Basarev 13 November 2019 08: 38 New
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    But even those machines did not help. The screws were low noise, but this did not solve the noise problem of the other components and assemblies. Our boats remained roaring cows. And to this day in this area we are extremely inferior to the Americans, which means that the whole saga with the extraction of those machines was in vain.
    1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 12: 33 New
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      Our boats remained roaring cows.

      No need to rephrase the Western press. Ask our participants, there are many submariners and specialists.
      1. Amurets 13 November 2019 14: 12 New
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        No need to rephrase the Western press. Ask our participants, there are many submariners and specialists.

        So "Noisy," that the K-324 of Project 671RTM wrapped the latest anti-submarine antenna on its propeller, and in the 90s the company went to ban our submarines.


        Ilyin, Kolesnikov. "Submarines of Russia" Directory.
        1. Basarev 13 November 2019 14: 51 New
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          So this is Kolesnikov, the famous propagandist. Found someone to believe.
          1. Amurets 14 November 2019 08: 31 New
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            Quote: Basarev
            So this is Kolesnikov, the famous propagandist. Found someone to believe.

            Well, here you are without Kolesnikov: https://www.proza.ru/2015/07/07/1382
            https://azlok.livejournal.com/366833.html
            The commander of the "Black Prince" https://vladnews.ru/ev/vl/3350/33404/komandir_chernogo
            1. Basarev 14 November 2019 08: 38 New
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              This does not change the essence. The truth is that our boats never had any outstanding stealth; it was not difficult for the Americans to find them, contrary to all countermeasures. Everywhere where our boats suddenly announced or sailed into protected places - the Americans simply allowed them to enter. That is, they knew that the boat was coming, the Soviet one, and simply played along, pretending not to notice it. It was a great disinformation campaign - to support the myth of the low noise of Soviet boats in the minds of Soviet submariners and their Kremlin masters, holding back measures to increase stealth so that in the event of a conflict, it would be easy to find Soviet boats whose crews fully believe that they will not be found.
  • rocket757 13 November 2019 08: 39 New
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    stated that Japanese sanctions against Russia "are more formal in nature" - Japan continues active trade and economic cooperation with the Russian Federation, which in itself destroys the "sanctioned monolith".

    If you search, and who doesn’t violate the “regime” at all or does not want to do this, the sanctions themselves will not give him! because naf we do not need such "guests"!
  • andrewkor 13 November 2019 08: 44 New
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    Comrades, the Chinese are just jealous, that’s the japa being drained.
    1. cniza 13 November 2019 08: 49 New
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      Judging by the article, China is afraid of a trade war with the United States, I did not see another promise.
  • cniza 13 November 2019 08: 48 New
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    As a result, the Chinese publication writes that if the same Japan (along with China) supplies Russia with equipment and technologies, then "the situation with the Toshiba of the Cold War era could be repeated."


    Complete mess, what's in their heads?
    1. Redfox3k 13 November 2019 08: 56 New
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      I agree. The porridge is full. I thought the Chinese were wise people ... but no. So-so. Especially given how much the Soviet Union helped during the period 1945-195x.
      And then, in 1950, the USSR gave the PRC another powerful loan - at once $ 300 million! The gigantic amount, in terms of current times - several billion "green". With this money, the Chinese purchased in the Soviet Union industrial technologies and materials for the construction of power plants, metallurgical and engineering enterprises. In the 1950s, the USSR built over 50 large enterprises to China with a loan amount. In addition, our country supplied large volumes of gasoline, kerosene and lubricating oils to China at that time. Soviet aid turned out to be so great that from 1950 to 1953 it increased annually by more than 70%, and exports to China amounted to 41% of all Soviet foreign trade.

      There are different opinions about how beneficial such cooperation with China was for the USSR. Some economists, and just Stalinists, think so. Other experts believe that the Soviet government swelled folk money into a foreign country, and could not really feed its citizens in these years. Where the figure of Stalin appears, opinions always differ. For any question. But what is quite obvious - it was the USSR that laid the foundation for the Chinese economic miracle, which we have been observing for the last several decades. The world's main factory began to be built in the 1950s and it was with Soviet money.
      1. cniza 13 November 2019 08: 59 New
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        And then we turned a blind eye to copying them ...
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          And then we turned a blind eye to copying them ...
          But how happy they were for copying from others. And here he is a boomerang.
      2. your1970 13 November 2019 11: 48 New
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        The world's main factory began to be built in 1950, and it was with Soviet money.

        I hope you saw the word "loan"?
  • SeregaBoss 13 November 2019 09: 22 New
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    I totally agree! In many sectors, Russia is technologically very far behind.

    So behind that it builds floating nuclear power plants, combat Lelocodes, carries all sorts of things into space, but you have everything sweeps in one place, it’s deep there.
    1. Nenie Lynn 13 November 2019 10: 01 New
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      Quote: Serge Boss
      So behind that floating nuclear power plants

      and who buys them? Europe closes its reactors, in the event of an accident, the sheepskin isn’t worth the candle, and then the floating Chernobl ...
      Quote: Serge Boss
      combat Lelocodes

      it would be better if combat destroyers learned to build, there would be more sense.
      Quote: Serge Boss
      carries everyones into space

      will be gone, everyone has 3 ships to choose from and they will gradually abandon the cab. Until recently, all kinds of satellites were launched, and they were monopolists in the market for commercial launches, but all kinds of raspberries were broken.
      1. demo 13 November 2019 13: 53 New
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        I do not defend. And I do not criticize.
        But I'll put in my five cents.
        A floating nuclear power plant is a new, unknown business.
        The people should take a closer look, sniff. Count all the pros and cons.
        And in five years, you can return to the assessment - they take it or not.
        Do you agree?
        A combat icebreaker is a highly specialized vessel. And break the ice and fight (in which case).
        That is, there is at least some benefit from its presence.
        But the destroyer is also highly specialized, but in a different guise.
        Except how to fight, you will not demand anything else from him.
        And then the question is - what about km and when were we going to fight. if his zone is the ocean.
        Are you following the steps of our leaders?
        They clearly "position themselves as sitters in four walls" and wait for everyone to die out "these sanctions" and lift them.
        So, from your point of view, does such a policy imply the need to build destroyers?
        Of course, if necessary, they rivet.
        But not required.

        About space I will not.
        At the very fists itch.
        1. tihonmarine 13 November 2019 16: 32 New
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          The people should take a closer look, sniff. Count all the pros and cons.

          Europe does not need them yet, and the states only have some where. But Russia, with its vast North and the same minerals, Plav NPP needs as air. But the destroyer is also highly specialized, but in a different guise. Besides war, you will not require anything else from it. The destroyer is good, I do not argue, but again you need to look at the North. but let me remind you of the story. The cruiser “Varyag” and the Admiral Fokin of the same type sailed along the Arctic coast of the USSR along the Arctic Sea along the icebreakers and on October 5 of 1965 of the year XNUMX arrived in the home port of Vladivostok.
          Upon completion of the transition in the ice, the cruiser needed repairs. (changed the entire skin).
          I hope the comments are redundant.
          1. demo 13 November 2019 16: 54 New
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            Europe does not need them yet, and the states only have some where.
            In general, not about Europe. Not the only pebble on the beach.
            Imagine that somewhere in yellow, hot Africa, deposits of, say, bauxite were found.
            Those. raw materials for aluminum production.
            And this is a very electric material.
            In production.
            And where to get electricity?
            Any serious production requires a huge supply of electricity.
            And here we are, with our floating nuclear power plants.
            What is not an option?
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              Quote: demo
              And here we are, with our floating nuclear power plants.
              What is not an option?

              I do not mind, only in which country of Africa, for example, and on which river or coast?
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                My suggestion!
                You need to take the textbook of Economic Geography for the 9 class and see.
                Will be found.
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                  Quote: demo
                  Will be found.

                  Not found. Yes, and you know it is hot in Africa, malaria, fever, you can find something easier.
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        Europe closes its reactors; in case of an accident, the sheepskin is not worth the hassle, but here is the floating Chernobl.

        They close it, but every year more electricity is needed, and fuel for thermal power plants is getting more expensive and its amount is decreasing. It’s good that they close. Time will pass and the one who will develop nuclear energy will break out ahead. And there will come a moment when you cannot do without a nuclear power plant. And those who will break ahead will build. That is a question for thought.
  • Alien From 13 November 2019 09: 31 New
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    We do not change islands for equipment. It is time to understand this narrow-eyed ...!
  • sergo1914 13 November 2019 09: 33 New
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    Remember, remember. SMPshniki walked happy, like cats after sour cream. Well, the machines have turned into legends, such as caught fish, with arms raised and "what we can now" with a gasp.
  • Fedorov 13 November 2019 09: 44 New
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    the Toshiba company which sold to the Soviet Union "multi-axis CNC machines".

    I worked for them for half a year in practice. What nonsense. Figachil our machines. In Ukraine, whatever you like .. KZTS, NKMZ in Kramatorsk, look, they exported to 15 countries of the world. "Borodino bridge across the Moscow River ..... Or no one has Seen.
  • UserGun 13 November 2019 12: 45 New
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    "Takizawa Machine Tool for the production of the latest lathes.

    TMX-4000 CNC machines began to appear under an agreement with the Chinese Zhangze. "


    Takisawa.

    What is the TMX-4000 CNC? Title machine models there is such and as far as I remember the CNC system there Fanuc 31i.
  • shinobi 13 November 2019 13: 33 New
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    I read komenty and fucking how tenacious soviet mentality is. I will say more! The USSR lived, is alive (changed its name to true) and will live sooo long! What are the categories of comparisons or leadership? "Catch up and overtake the West" is the main slogan of the scoop! In general, the West does not bother what and on whose equipment it makes, the leader of which is. The measure of success is the amount of profit received, everything else is from the evil one and a relic of the past. And in this regard, we have been and remain one of the most serious rivals of the West. The products are of course a profitable article but not the main one. The main thing has always been raw materials and human resources. No matter how high technology you have, if there is nobody and nothing to make the goods from, you are an empty place.
  • demo 13 November 2019 13: 44 New
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    Maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of axial machines allowed to process shafts. Which on Soviet equipment could not be released, in compliance with the requirements.
    And the screw, if I understand correctly, first spills out. and then processed. And not on a turning, but most likely on a milling.
    If wrong, then correct.
    I did not ship.
    1. UserGun 13 November 2019 14: 40 New
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      Quote: demo
      Maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of axial machines allowed to process shafts


      You are mistaken. In fact, they also made screws and blades for turbines, there is a chip in the simultaneous access to 5 or more axes, so that the accuracy, and therefore the run out, is minimal. So still Taz boxes why make noise?

      “Despite the fact that AvtoVAZ finalized its mechanical gearbox in 2014, it still failed to completely“ cure ”the howl and hum of the unit. The increased noise from the“ mechanics ”is found both on the updated Lada Granta family and on new models - Vesta and Xray.
      AvtoVAZ specialists are aware of this problem and explained to the portal that the howl of the box occurs due to poor machining of the gear teeth and the main pair.
      Existing factory equipment simply does not allow processing gears of a mechanical gearbox with higher accuracy. With the current culture of production, extraneous sounds cannot be dealt with without significant investments in updating the machinery. "


      And finally, there are only a few units of true 5 or more axial machines (with their simultaneous control) in the Russian Federation, because they are still practically not supplied to the Russian Federation due to some restrictions.
      1. demo 13 November 2019 16: 58 New
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        We are wrong both.
        “The most notorious violation of COCOM restrictions was the sale of XI-1982 by the Japanese company Toshiba together with the Norwegian Kongsberg Gruppen programmed milling machines. With their help, the Soviet industry managed to create a new type of submarine blades, which significantly reduced the level of noise and, accordingly, the ability to detect submarines by the enemy. "
        https://tass.ru/info/2728444
        Milling.
        And the article is about turning.
        1. UserGun 13 November 2019 20: 21 New
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          And the article is about turning.


          No. This is what you read at the end of the article about the Takisawa TS4000. Moreover, it was originally written with an error. what I immediately noticed

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          "Takizawa Machine Tool for the production of the latest lathes.


          And even reported this to the author of the article. These are really lathes with 2 spindles and a driven turret. They have only recently begun to assemble, under the license of a large-site assembly, at KEMZ, where about a year and a half. Why did the author of the article drag them, neither to the village, nor to the city, only he knows laughing Probably, in order to look cooler in the eyes of the cheaters and brand the Japanese in corruption))) Well then, the FANUC Russia and Mitsubishi Russia offices would also be dragged through which racks, drives, spare parts, etc. are bought laughing And again, no more than 5 simultaneously controlled axes in the option)))
      2. Mordvin 3 13 November 2019 18: 44 New
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        due to poor machining of the gear teeth and the main pair.

        Or it’s just that the goner is on the assembly of boxes, and does not know where to adjust.
  • Protos 14 November 2019 01: 02 New
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    That's exactly the companies. Even Ulyanovsk. Where was UZTM, there is now a company for the sale of machine tools. And factories in Krasnodar and Ryazan, where they work for hundreds of hard workers.


    “Now 80 enterprises of the industry are functioning in Russia (56 manufacturers of metal-cutting machine tools, 24 manufacturers of forging equipment). 29 enterprises are engaged in tool manufacturing.” yes
  • Evil 55 14 November 2019 02: 39 New
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    Machine tools are one thing, and hands and head that will use them are quite another ..
  • PROVINCIAL 14 November 2019 11: 10 New
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    I respect the opinion of the colleagues who expressed their opinion on the state of machine tools in our country at the moment. In turn, I want to ask - how many machine tools, machines, and appliances made in our country currently work in light industry? Apart from the production of "dying" on equipment inherited from the time of the USSR? I will not bother you with calculations and searches on the internet. At all modern light industry enterprises in our country, the share of equipment manufactured in Russia over the past 10 years is a maximum of 0,5% !!!!! We can’t make a competitive sewing machine !!!! PS At my enterprise - which occupies 30% of the country's market for products, there is not a single !!!!!!!!! units of equipment manufactured in My country (not including pliers, and they are probably Chinese, I have not checked it). Why was my comment? Then, what would you look at what is around you in reality, and not play all-knowing (this does not apply to commentators with specialized knowledge) of sofa specialists.
  • Asan Ata 14 November 2019 15: 52 New
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    I remember once reading, it seems in Pravda, that the United States made a big noise because of Japan's supply of a milling machine to the USSR. And then I came across the Aviation week, where the Americans described the problem in detail. The machine turned out to be the size of a two-story house and made it possible to grind a screw for a submarine in one installation. Clear business, the screw became "silent". Apparently, then Soviet silent submarines arose.
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  • Negruz 15 November 2019 02: 07 New
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    In the Soviet Union, most of the high-tech operations were carried out on imported equipment .... This is a fact that society cannot accept in any way and, therefore, correctly assess the reality .....
    And when the mass production of T-72 tanks was in jeopardy, the reason for this was an untimely delivery of Czech machines ....
    The situation was similar in any automobile plant - vaz, kamaz, azlk ...
    The Soviet Union, indeed, produced many machine tools itself .... But it produced products that were uncompetitive in quality ....
    From above, they wrote about the tragedy of the Russian light industry, in which there was no place for domestic machine tools, and those that exist were produced back in the USSR ...
    The problem lies precisely in the fact that the light industry of the USSR could not compete with Western industry in quality and with Chinese (already in modern times) - in price ....
  • Vovser 15 November 2019 07: 54 New
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    In one word "Nonsense"
  • Roman62 15 November 2019 10: 01 New
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    I have been working at the machine tool factory since 1991. Our factory produced and designed universal and CNC lathes, many special. deep drilling machines, wheel-turning, roll-turning, rolling, rolling. For the defense a bunch of specials. machine tools. Made their ballscrews. We did not produce machines of accuracy class N and P. We did not produce high-precision equipment. Products were delivered over the hill in almost 80 countries of the world. The capitalists mainly took generalists and specialists. Yes, the lag in the CNC was certainly obvious. We completed CNC machines manufactured by Siemens, Fanuc, Fagor. From domestic CNC-SC 31. The quality of the machines was at the level. In our city there are many private "garage" firms for the repair and production of "new" machines. All come from our factory. So these offices are buying up used the machines of our production will replace something, polish something and give the machines a second, or even a third life! Under the USSR, the plant worked in 3 shifts, employing up to 10000 people. Under EBN, we privatized. The number of manufactured equipment fell at times. The number of employees decreased to 1500-2000 people. There was a salary delayed up to 6 months. But our factory did not drown. Even in those days, we supplied products to the bourgeoisie. I even managed to unlearn the evening at the Polytechnic. In 2000, Muscovites bought us. "And then Ostap suffered." First of all, they closed the production of universal machines, which mainly brought currency. Then they liquidated the newly modernized foundry. They drank everything and handed over for scrap. Then generally the mess went. They bought the cheapest Chinese machines, interrupted the nameplates and sold them under the guise of their own. I have many friends who work in other enterprises. But everywhere there is one situation. If Muscovites came, wait for trouble. Reduction of production, reduction of employees, cuts in salaries.
    Now it’s even worse. Muscovites came - effective managers. And the worst thing in the managers is complete incompetence and perfect illiteracy in matters of production, technology and design. And such people are at the helm!
    And on the account that the USSR did not produce precision equipment. These cries have already gotten. Probably, the person is not in the subject or fiercely hates everything that is connected with the USSR. They also made precise and unique machines, which no one in the world had.
    And the machines that Toshiba delivered to the USSR I saw with my own eyes the products that they produce. A machine, like a machine. It's all about CNC.