Why in the 20 years a full-fledged Union State of Russia and Belarus did not appear


What we created 20 years ago



Few in Russia remember that very soon, on 8 of December of this year, a rather serious date will be celebrated in Russia and Belarus - the twentieth anniversary of the creation of the Union State. History the creation of this supranational entity is quite complicated. I will not describe all the events that took place over these 20 years and odd years. The story is complex and interesting.

In short, the Union State of Russia and Belarus is an attempt to create some kind of new formation of two independent states with a single political, economic, military, customs, currency legal, humanitarian and cultural space. An attempt to unite the fraternal Slavic peoples again. An attempt on the example of two states to push the third fraternal state - Ukraine - to unite.

What happened and what has not worked out so far in this attempt is a difficult question. This is a topic of quite a long discussion. But what events take place in connection with the approach of this date in a fraternal country is interesting. Moreover, in various media, up to the official government channels of electronic media, more and more often quite provocative materials appear.

Strange words "misunderstood" by us


Then President Lukashenko in an interview with Kazakh television will suddenly say that all the wars in which Belarusians participated are other people's wars and the neighbors are to blame for unleashing them. Directly referring to Russia. Why does it mean that I, as the grandson of the partisan of the Great Patriotic War, who beat the fascists in Belarus, just turns me on.

I knew my grandfather personally. And I know the history of their squad. It was my grandfather’s personal war against fascism! Then, a year later, a senior lieutenant from Moscow, the future chief of staff of the detachment and a sergeant-radio operator appeared. And my grandmother was shot precisely for this reason.

It was a war of Belarusians for their own land, for their own life. Like the war of all other peoples of the USSR. They fought for their small homeland, which was part of one large, common homeland for all.

That is, at the level of chief editors of very serious Belarusian publications, they talk about threats to Belarus from Russia on state television. Notice the threats! We are threatening Belarus.

That high-level statesman, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic Vladimir Makei directly accuses Russia of all mortal sins. which causes a rash in all those involved in international affairs.

What is happening in Belarus? Why does President Lukashenko make a clearly provocative statement about the war, and then his spokesman accuses Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev of “taking words out of context”? Why are there more and more calls on the Belarusian Internet to “put the presumptuous Russians in their place”?

What really happens in the information space of Belarus


Let's try to look at the situation without emotions and no offense. Just with the cold pragmatism of people from the outside. I apologize in advance for some associations and comparisons. The author’s cold head and lack of emotion does not imply a lack of emotion among readers.

In 1972, a movie on the then fashionable production theme was released on the screens of Soviet cinemas. It was called epic enough: "Man in his place." The film is about a young engineer who returned after graduating from the institute and working at the factory to his village and offered himself to the collective farm chairmen. The film is good, kind.

What am I in a serious article that I remembered the movie? Yes, simply because upon careful consideration, the algorithm of the hero Vladimir Menshov’s work (actor’s debut), collective farm chairman Semyon Bobrov, and Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko coincide to the smallest detail. And the role of a large and rich Russia is played by the hero of Armen Dzhigarkhanyan Artashes Kocharyan, director of the chemical plant.

Resist a chemical plant that can pay a large salary, can send a worker to study at a university, can simply provide a more comfortable life, Bobrov cannot. Therefore, he uses the director Kocharyan to solve his own problems. Where flattery, where direct blackmail, where reasoned calculations about mutual benefit, but uses. What is not Alexander Grigorievich?

Over the years, we have seen everything. And flattery, and blackmail, and seemingly random reservations, an example of which I cited above. All in order to save the "collective farm". To be at least equal in official papers with the "director of the chemical plant." The task of Lukashenko, as I see it, consists in this. Save Belarus in the status of an independent and independent state.

The first years after the creation of the Union State can be described as years of rapid growth and development. It is clear that President Lukashenko, realizing that Belarus is too small among the three Slavic republics, tried to get ahead of Ukraine and become Russia's best and most loyal friend. Equal to Ukraine, at least.

However, over time, it became clear that Ukraine is choosing a different path of development. Moreover, this did not happen during the last Maidan, but much earlier. The “collective farm chairman” realized that the “chemical plant” in the Union State had only one ally - Belarus. And you can ask “Kocharyan” anything. “Kocharyan” will already give so that the chairman of the neighboring collective farm sees how good it is to be friends with the “chemical plant”.

Of course, it is difficult to imagine that President Lukashenko played so “for a long time.” With all my good attitude towards this leader, it is difficult to suspect him of foresight. But then the question arises of the divergence of approaches to the Union State in Moscow and Minsk. Why has the transformation of views on SG already become apparent to everyone today?

We are just building a different Union State


It seems to me that the whole point is in the terms that we, Russians, and they, Belarusians, use. What is the Union State in Russian? I'm not talking about intermediate periods of formation, but about the outcome. About what should happen at the finish of this process. Any work, and the creation of the SG is a serious and difficult work of many people from both countries, must end with some kind of result.

So, the Union State in Russian is a single confederate state, with a single leadership and all the attributes of the state. To put it even easier, Belarus will have to become another constituent entity of the Russian Federation with a special status. A sort of Finland in the Russian Empire.

From the point of view of Belarus, the Union State is the newest form of supranational formation in which two or more states coexist and which conduct independent domestic and foreign policies. Moreover, the main word here is "independent." And this implies some consultation on foreign policy and the economy. Some benefits in some issues.

Remember the claims of Belarusians about our military operation in Syria? Regarding our assistance to the population of Donbass? And our "return" regarding fuel for Ukraine from Belarusian plants or MAZs with Ukrainian missile launchers in the Donbass?

Somehow, unobtrusively, inconspicuously for a simple layman, we began to count our money, which we spent on supporting Belarus. We are quite seriously talking about the tens of millions that Belarusians received during the “customs clearance” of our oil or our gas. We speak as a huge loss for our country.

Every day we laugh at Belarusian shrimp and other seafood. We laugh, although we understand that the brothers really need help. We laugh, although we understand that what Russia spends on maintaining the union state and Belarus is a minuscule in comparison with what would have been spent if Belarus left Russia.

Is the opposition so strong in Belarus and the opponents of the SG in Russia?


Today, the opposition in Belarus is raising its head higher and higher. More and more voices are heard in favor of the fact that the republic should go its own way. Not in the wake of Russia, but on its own. Encouraged by success in Ukraine, Western intelligence agencies are pouring huge amounts of money into the Belarusian opposition.

The usual scenario for post-Soviet countries is being played. National idea and national state. Independence from Russia and joining a friendly family of European nations. The West does not offer anything new for Belarusians in the hope that the Russian chance will work.

By the way, our liberals have intensified in the same way. The “accountants" that I mentioned above appeared from their submission. And the revisionists who, with a microscope, examine all the evidence of Belarusian officials, too. We are being pushed persistently to the idea that we contain a parasite. “We invest in them, and they are like Ukraine or the countries of the socialist community” ...

Relations between Russia and Belarus cannot be simple by definition. Although we are mentally close, fraternal countries, we are different. And the tasks of the leadership of our countries are similar. Improve people's lives and increase the country's political weight in world politics. This can be done only when it becomes possible to “tear out a piece” from others. Only here countries, I repeat, are different.

It seems to me that all these statements by opponents of the united state, which, as seasonal exacerbations of mentally ill people, periodically arise in the spring and autumn of each year in both states, are just on-duty testing of events for overseas sponsors of the “fighters for the happiness of the people” of Russia and Belarus.

How will we celebrate the round date


I think that new treaties, roadmaps and other intergovernmental agreements will nevertheless be signed at the celebration of the 20 anniversary of the Union State. Moreover, both presidents are already aware of the basic ideas of future documents and supported their signing. And the contradictions, which today are strongly promoted by the Belarusian media and heated by the opposition, will be quickly localized by the KGB of the republic.

I will return to the story of the film. More precisely, to one episode. A conversation between the chairman of the collective farm Bobrov and the director of the chemical plant Kocharyan on the construction of the road. When Bobrov is blackmailing Kocharyan in plain text.

“We will drag you through the courts because of the alienation of our land. Yes, we will eventually lose. But we still get our money. And you will lose time. ”


All the commotion, all the turbidity that has surfaced today in the press and speeches of politicians is nothing more than a conversation between Bobrov and Kocharyan at the level of the leaders of Russia and Belarus. Lukashenko today needs to adopt a more or less balanced budget. But in connection with Russia's actions in the field of oil and gas trade, Minsk’s profit fell sharply.

To meet the needs it is urgently necessary to “find” 500 million. This money used to come from nothing by “customs clearing” Russian oil or by selling products of cheap oil processing. In fact, Russia did not “notice” these manipulations with money. And suddenly, after very arrogant statements by some Belarusian politicians, she noticed and closed the shop.

Time will pass. The government will find a way out, that is, money. Most likely, the money will again be Russian. There will again be talk of friendship and the desire for integration. And again the cart gets stuck in some kind of pothole. In my opinion, in the near future the creation of a single state will not be legalized. For the simple reason that is described above.

We still differently understand the word "union" ...
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  1. Pessimist22 13 November 2019 05: 51 New
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    That the "Russian" oligarchs did not rob Belarus?
    1. Uncle lee 13 November 2019 06: 06 New
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      What we created 20 years ago
      - What, what .... According to the unforgettable HOUR: We wanted the best, but it turned out as always!
      1. tesser 13 November 2019 06: 35 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        unforgettable HOUR

        Chernomyrdin Victor Stepanovich.
      2. Stas157 13 November 2019 07: 19 New
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        Everyone understands that of course you need to unite, but ... too much but.

        The fears of Belarusians can be understood.
        What will it be a merger or a takeover? Look at the Kremlin elite! Does anyone want to unite with them? And are the successes of the Russian economy dizzying enough to dream of unification? Some questions.

        And the most important thing. The Russian and Belarusian elites are so different that we can confidently say that there will be no unification soon.
        1. vladimirZ 13 November 2019 09: 15 New
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          The fears of Belarusians can be understood.
          What will it be a merger or a takeover? Look at the Kremlin elite! Does anyone want to unite with them? - Stas157 (Stas)

          I agree with you. Who wants to unite with today's Russia, under the leadership of the comprador oligarchy?
          Only small self-proclaimed states, which are threatened by an external threat from the former union republics, struck by nationalist fervor, and which, as they say, have nowhere to go.

          Belarus will unite with Russia or even more so in Russia, does it make any sense? To lie under the "Russian" oligarchs, so that they destroy their industry, s / economy - in order to eliminate competitors to the West, and everything was taken offshore? To the poor people and was without work, as in Russia? They don’t need it.
          Now, when a nation state with a socially just system is reborn in Russia, the people will heal better than in Belarus and in the different Europes there, then the moment of unification will come, since we are still a single people.
          1. Aldmit_2 13 November 2019 09: 27 New
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            [quote = vladimirZ] [quote] Now, when a nation state with a socially just system is revived in Russia, the people will heal better than in Belarus and in different Europe there, then the moment of unification will come, since we are still a single people. [/ quote ]
            That is, again: not together, united, to develop the economy and move towards a brighter future? And first, Russia must become rich, and then Belarus generously agree to join and participate in the acquired section?
            1. vladimirZ 13 November 2019 09: 39 New
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              That is, again: not together, united, to develop the economy and move towards a brighter future? And first, Russia must become rich, and then Belarus generously agree to join and participate in the acquired section? - Aldmit_2 (Dmitry A)

              No not like this. The moment of unification will come only when there will be a people’s state in Russia with a socially just system for the whole people, and not nowadays as a comprador-oligarchic, predatory in relation to the people and the state.
              And who else at the time of unification will live better and richer Belarusians or are we in Russia, is there still a big question? We, with the oligarchs, developing different "Syria" and "Africa" ​​to the detriment of Russia and the people, are now living worse than Belarusians.
              And what will be the process of unification into Russia or together with Russia we will leave for discussion and consideration to those who will unite into a single state through an honest, lawful, popular referendum.
            2. Dante Alighieri 13 November 2019 10: 04 New
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              That is, again: not together, united, to develop the economy and move towards a brighter future? And first, Russia must become rich, and then Belarus generously agree to join and participate in the acquired section?

              And you wanted something different in the capitalist world? Forget the phantom pains of pioneering youth: altruism is now out of favor. The American way of life (the way of the consumer) was established in the world because it was attractive, understandable, and its carrier was sleek and prosperous. What can you say there yourself, I emphasize SAMI under the magic of this image that destroyed the country that you got from your parents. And for what is asked? In order to shine a blue levy on a disco and have access to 300 sausages. They also called it loudly: "LIVE HUMANLY." And after that, you demand that others suddenly abandon their mercantile interests in your address? And for what reason? Just because the butterflies of the night suddenly bored you and wanted pure and sincere love. You know, it will be worse than the notorious double standards.

              In general, continuing the analogy of gender relations, I would like to say that, personally for me (probably due to a sick fantasy, the process of forming a union state resembles a bride with an excessively zealous bride. It seems to be narrowed to her liking and she is not bad with him, but Zinka will have a better hahal - it would be a foreigner. On the other hand, no, no, and other thoughts are visited by a girl’s head: they say I love a fool, and they don’t look for good from good, but go and understand these bushmen, how they’re the first to climb under the hem, and how to get into a legal marriage - so bushes, and even with what tripper they can award. Does she need it?

              However, our bridegroom himself must be said good, in a word, I’ll have a lifetime: I will grab an accordion and bawl songs, then global projects will be decided, but the shed itself will not be cleaned and the cattle will be thin. By the way, she is not in a hurry to marry either, although she does not tick into the bushes and does not refuse feelings. Yes, from time to time it sometimes throws some money on my clothes, it means I want it to be narrowed no worse than everyone outside the outskirts. It means she is indifferent to him, and there is room for correction. Only here he himself, in addition to the girl’s camp, and the face, also has the moonshine of the future father-in-law in mind, which the narrowed guesses and reasonably asks the question: what is more important for him than vodka or relationships. Such here in general, as always ambiguous, lyubof.
              1. maden.usmanow 16 November 2019 13: 11 New
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                Maybe enough to blame ordinary people in everything?

                8th of December 1991 Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk

                25th of December 1991
                Gorbachev

                Where are ordinary people here?
            3. Stas157 13 November 2019 10: 13 New
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              Quote: Aldmit_2
              not together, united, to develop the economy and move towards a brighter future? AND Russia must become rich firstand then Belarus will generously agree

              Should not. There must be confidence that it will. But she is not. Now Belarus has a choice of development options, and when combined, it will no longer be. Therefore, you need to clearly know what will happen after the merger. Will there be development?
              1. Victor N 13 November 2019 13: 37 New
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                Which choice?! Nothing to choose from! Either get married, or stay a nasty old woman.
              2. Development? Where is the development? What is the development? ... The debilitation of the population is developing rapidly, the crime rate is developing rapidly, the gap between the cunning rich and the working cattle is rapidly growing ...
                What can offer ,, Capitalist Russia ,, (RK) Belorussia (RB)? The standard of living in Belarus is higher, the population really feels that the authorities care about themselves, crime is lower .... there is a MEANING for the existence of this state.
                And the Republic of Kazakhstan is a little gray, weak, and most importantly - a meaningless state. Does it preserve the ideals of millennial Russia? NO. Does it take care of all its subjects? NO Does it fight crime, protecting people from degenerates? NO. Is it able to protect the country from external aggression? NO.
                Five years Novorossia communicated with the Republic of Kazakhstan. So what? ,, Strong, kind, smart older brother, demonstrated that he is exactly like that? Built roads, like in Russia ,,? The income level has grown and reached Moscow? Crowds of labor migrants from Ukraine besiege the checkpoint of New Russia? Monetary allowance in the, people's militia, such that the Syrians from the well-known PMC in large numbers in the military commissariats of New Russia?
                “Worthlessness” is the key word that defines the essence of the Republic of Kazakhstan. This is how homo sapiens is characterized, but this definition also applies to states - “neither God is a candle nor a damn poker”. Who wants to unite? Who needs this?
          2. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 10 New
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            Here is an ordinary Belarusian, live under this so-called. the "comprador" elite of the 5 years, will even want to unite with Russia. Because Russia now lives an order of magnitude better than any former republic. Actually Belarusians do this individually. We should stir up the Maidan in Minsk so that the process goes faster.

            Offshore companies in Russia covered up at the beginning of the 2000s, this is the first thing Putin did in general. Anyone who did not want to pay taxes to either London or the zone. But you still seem to live in 95.
            1. Trifon 13 November 2019 14: 13 New
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              Interesting fact. Even a dozen years ago, an influx of construction crews from the Republic of Belarus was observed in the Russian Federation. As well as from Ukraine, Moldova, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.
              The latter, well, apart from Moldavians, still flood the expanses of our homeland,
              but Belarusians seriously diminished, why? But our pensioners in Belarus are quite grown up, too, why?
              Regarding Maidanchik in Minsk and its consequences, you want-act.
              Only then do not cry on the topic of ungrateful Belarusians, as it is now fashionable
              in regard to -they scum do not support us on the world stage.
              The only question is why are they obliged to support us? For the fact that loans with return
              give? Or all kinds of negotiations on the topic of lending every time rest against the question-
              and what will you give us for this? Note that at the same time, I drag two suitcases without a handle on the hump in the image of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, subsidizing them every year
              and forgiving debts every year. Actually, a rather strange approach to Comrade Belarusians.
              It is clear that the ocean fleet of Belarus, along with their first-ever food industry in the world, has grown in the wake of our import substitution. But blaming them somehow is not comme il faut, in fact, it is customary for allies and especially partners in the CU to somehow coordinate their actions and even taking into account the interests of the partner. This, by the way, also applies to the policy regarding the ruble, otherwise the partnership turns out to be strange, one-sided . And if you declare that you have only the army and navy in your allies and implement your policy solely taking into account your interests, you should not assume that someone else will not adhere to exactly the same tactics regarding you.
              About the union state. Even in Yeltsin’s times, I think
              differences in approaches. Belarusians wanted equitable unification and naturally with
              in the same voice as part of the decisions made. Our elite wanted to unite through absorption, an example of Germany and the GDR in your hand.
              Actually, to some extent, the situation and behavior of the Belarusian elite that has developed with the union state is quite reminiscent of the situation with our elite trying to join the "friendly family" of the American-European elite.
              Our elite somehow did not like being second-rate, so why did you decide that the Belarusian elite should like it? By the way, leaving the Belarusians, look back to the southeast, to Kazakhstan. Do the changes that have happened there tell you nothing?
              1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 14: 19 New
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                You are not catching up, no one in Russia will arrange any Maidan for you, you yourself will arrange it from your happy life following the example of the non-brothers, and in the same way you will bring down who have not had time in the Russian Federation. At the same time, make threatening statements to us that both with you after that and how to support you, we feed you, but you still do not support us. The question is, what is the difference to us then, if you don’t support us anyway? Equal unification happens only between equals, and not between the state and its small fragment, which should be just an administrative area, or even a municipality.
              2. EvilLion 13 November 2019 14: 33 New
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                By the way, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, with all their felidism, are much more negotiable than Belarus. Well, at least they should not pretend to be non-Russians.
            2. Sergey1987 13 November 2019 14: 14 New
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              Quote: EvilLion
              Because Russia now lives an order of magnitude better than any former republic. Actually Belarusians do this individually.

              Totally agree with you. But this cannot be explained to these communists. They have a solid set of hackneyed stamps. Like brains, they are still in the 90s. The same points. Naro is a beggar, unemployment, oligarchs in power. This is hard to explain to people with a lack of brains. In such a poor country we live that they come from all over the former USSR to the Russian Federation.
              1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 16: 06 New
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                Well, let’s say that the oligarchs are bad, the question is, how to do well? In response, there is one whining, that the power should be changed, and who should it be changed, and what should it do in order to become good? This ends the thought, but, for example, I will not go to overthrow anyone until there is a clear understanding of what to do next. And the stupidity of local officials from their replacement will only increase, because those who know at least something will leave, those who do not know anything will come. The slogan "back to the USSR" will not work, because the USSR is no longer there and somehow reluctant to do it, because in the USSR, for example, FIGs would import computers from abroad, because foreign exchange operations were physical. persons were banned. Actually, the USSR ended economically when the ban was lifted. This was necessary in the 20s, but in modern times. the world will not ride. With all the Soviet advantages, you will have to get Soviet cons. And a huge army among them is the smallest.
                1. Sergey1987 14 November 2019 16: 29 New
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                  Quote: EvilLion
                  Well, let’s say that the oligarchs are bad, the question is, how to do well?

                  It is bad when they are in power, and in our country they are not in power, but in general there are oligarchs in all developed countries and even in the communist PRC.
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  In response, there is one whining, that the power should be changed, and who should it be changed, and what should it do in order to become good?

                  Here I am talking about too. Power suits me, someone is not there, he should offer an alternative, not a coup. Like, let's throw it off, and then we'll see. But I don’t want to change to someone with empty promises that he will make heaven on earth.
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  And the stupidity of local officials from their replacement will only increase

                  So there’s no one to replace. What will not take new bribes? So we will have any power under the kings, and under the emperors, and under the USSR, and under the Russian Federation. We have such a mentality. We complain that they take bribes, but we often want to give them ourselves so that the necessary solution or document is issued faster.
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  With all the Soviet advantages, you will have to get the Soviet cons

                  The paradox is that many here shout that everything in state property should be, while crying that small and medium-sized businesses such as pressure. Right paradox. In fact, they steal most in the public sector. In the USSR, in the field of trade and factories, they stole millions of people across the country, managers of medium and small hands, with an average salary of 140 rubles. The Governor of Sakhalin is just a child compared to them. But it wasn’t very bad for an ordinary person from his theft, but from the theft and fraud of factory directors under the USSR how. An example see the movie Soviet Mafia Kings of the Sivuha. And this is all under their beloved Stalin, about whom they shout that there was no corruption.
                  1. ss29 16 November 2019 16: 53 New
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                    Do not confuse our oligarchs who stole factories from the people and the Chinese who earned their own labor. Under Stalin, there was a private business. I do not like our government because it cares about big business at the expense of the people and does not hold its own words. With your not-beloved advice, people knew when they would retire and how much they would receive, and now, for example, do you know?
                    1. Sergey1987 20 November 2019 09: 56 New
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                      Quote: ss29
                      Do not confuse our oligarchs who stole factories from the people

                      ))) Yes, enough of these tales about the national economy. Straight people from the factories received something. Have you received any profit from these plants?
                      Quote: ss29
                      Chinese self-employed

                      What do you think is your own work?
                      Quote: ss29
                      I don’t like our government because it cares about big business at the expense of the people

                      Don’t you tell me how?
                      Quote: ss29
                      With your not beloved advice, people knew when they would retire and how much they would receive.

                      Where did I write that I do not like the Soviet Union? I regret that no reforms have been carried out in the Soviet Union on the model of the PRC. And it’s you Communists who are to blame for its collapse. And about pensions. Yes, people knew that they would retire and knew that they would receive a penny.
                      Quote: ss29
                      Now, for example, do you know?

                      Now everything can be perfectly calculated.
                  2. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 03: 22 New
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                    Quote: Sergey1987
                    We have such a mentality.

                    Do not judge others by yourself.
            3. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 14: 32 New
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              Quote: EvilLion
              Because Russia now lives an order of magnitude better than any former republic.

              I would ask you to provide proofs, and not to indulge unproven!
              Quote: EvilLion
              Offshores in Russia covered up in the early 2000s, this is the first thing Putin did in general. Anyone who did not want to pay taxes to either London or the zone.

              What are you carrying? Only for the past 20 years on the official. 1 trillion (1.000.000.000) dollars are withdrawn from the data from the Russian Federation !!! And when
              his friend justifies the cellist’s offshore accounts by buying violins, one wants to sob on the fact that the plebs can swallow this "snowstorm".
              1. Golovan Jack 13 November 2019 15: 01 New
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                Only for the past 20 years on the official. 1 trillion (1.000.000.000) dollars are withdrawn from the data from the Russian Federation !!!

                Great phrase, #granite.

                1. What is this "official data", a reference, please.
                2. 1.000.000.000 is not a trillion, but a billion.
                3. "Withdrawn" is about nothing. The purchase of foreign assets, for example (at the same time, it is not necessary to “apartment in London”) is also a "conclusion".

                Here you are at the time and ask:

                Quote: Stroporez
                What are you carrying?

                Well, it’s ... buddy wink
                1. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 15: 54 New
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                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  1. What is this "official data", a reference, please.

                  Pliz https://topwar.ru/163800-kuda-uhodjat-dengi-pokazateli-ottoka-kapitala-iz-rossii.html
                  This is the data of the Central Bank. And do not cling to zeros, in the heat of the moment and
                  described.
                  "The outflow of capital is the export of money from a country to the borders of another state for their more profitable investment in more profitable economic instruments and mechanisms."
                  Among the main factors causing capital outflow from the Russian Federation are the following:

                  1. the lack of stability in the economy and politics of the Russian Federation. It should also be noted here the constantly worsening relations with other competing countries (USA, UK, etc.), from which there is a fairly significant flow of investment. For example, the situation in 2014 triggered the largest capital outflow of $ 150 billion;
                  2. Lack of trust in the Russian banking system. In 2008, the banking system was in crisis and many investors, entrepreneurs and individuals lost huge amounts of money in banks. After this crisis, banks have been recovering for several years. But during this period, the lost trust has not returned to its previous level;
                  3. Complicated taxes and the bureaucratic system of their accounting. In Russia, there are a very large number of different types of taxes that create great pressure on business. It is easier for entrepreneurs to go into the gray economy than to work in white;
                  4.weak judicial system. Entrepreneurs are poorly protected with the existing legal system. Which weakly stimulates foreign investors to invest their money here.
                  5. The inflation rate is high compared to other developed countries, which contributes to the depreciation of invested capital.
                  1. Golovan Jack 13 November 2019 16: 40 New
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                    You should speak in other words. As yours, as a rule, you get some kind of blizzard request
                    I will answer in the same style:


                    It is well explained where, when, why and how much.

                    Here is such a picture (from the same place), pay attention to the so-called "dubious operations" and their share in the total mass of "withdrawn" capital:



                    By the way, your source (1-2-3-4-5) - pleased with pearls of the type

                    ... lead to the closure of enterprises, to a reduction in tax revenues ...


                    , as well as shamelessly wounded from "my" source picture request
                    1. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 17: 05 New
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                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      As a rule, you have some kind of snowstorm

                      With a "snowstorm" it’s to a mustachioed snowman yes
                      As for the rest, I’ll say this: your schedule is for the 11th year, and for the 18th year the Central Bank provided data on the total export of 787 billion raccoons. According to the results of this, 850 are forecasted. This is an officer. data with which you agree. Let's add the offshore subsidiaries of Rospilneft, Raspilneftegaz and Gasmeas. And yet, I would not discount the accounts of "cellists." for a trillion they unambiguously steal and withdrawn, so what am I wrong in ?!
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                        Quote: Stroporez
                        so what am I wrong in ?!

                        So in the same:

                        Quote: Stroporez
                        for a trillion definitely stole and brought

                        You confuse (and, IMHO, intentionally) the "outflow of capital" with that part of it that is indicated in the picture as "dubious operations".

                        Once again, it may come: not everything that the "outflow" is stolen and withdrawn.
                      2. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 17: 39 New
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                        Once again, it may come: not everything that the "outflow" is stolen and withdrawn.

                        Well, why do we need to drive empty, provided that everyone understands everything. A colleague, I have already taken such liberties by posting so many comments, realizing that soon adherents of mice, cats, sects, associations, trade unions and other scoundrels will fly and oralof, they will begin to spoil my karma. Colleague, I do not need this, I'm non-aligned yes
                      3. Golovan Jack 13 November 2019 17: 48 New
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                        Well, why do we need to drive empty

                        Are you capable of anything more? wink

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                        provided that everyone understands everything

                        You can understand correctly or incorrectly. You are right so far - you don’t understand, but you understand it wrong request

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                        ... begin to spoil my karma ...

                        ... and kick in the stern. Well, you yourself have chosen a share, there are few talkers in general who loves ... my friend yes
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                        and kick in the stern. Well, you yourself have chosen a share, there are few talkers in general who loves ... my friend

                        Ah ha ha, well, this is how to look at these very talkers, front or back, everything is clear for me, transparent, understandable, I keep my promises and ask you to convey to various adherents that when they studied, I already taught fellow
                      5. Golovan Jack 13 November 2019 18: 30 New
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                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Well, this is how to look at these most talkers, front to back or back to front

                        But no matter how you look at it - everything turns out the same ...

                        Quote: Stroporez
                        I keep my promises and ask to convey

                        Don’t ... carry it yourself. Shama, all shama ... buddies laughing
            4. ss29 16 November 2019 17: 00 New
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              Jack, are you talking about Uynyu for no outflow, look where our oligarchs and their passports live. For example, Mr. Rybolovlev lives in Monaco, and what do you think he leaves all the money from the income of the world's largest fertilizer plant in Perm?
      3. EvilLion 13 November 2019 15: 57 New
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        Which car do you prefer? "Kalina" no longer rolls, do you need something from 800 to go? Where do you prefer to relax? In Turkey, or maybe in Thailand. By the way, this is also an outflow of capital when you dangle abroad and lower the loot there.
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          Quote: EvilLion
          Which car do you prefer? "Kalina" no longer rolls, do you need something from 800k go?

          yellow guelder-rose and a pair of transporters of spare jaundices are runs for the chief technical officer laughing What is it with him with auris? By the way, he’s very much in love with Mercedes. Yeah. And I prefer the "Japanese", Mitsuban or Toyota.
          Quote: EvilLion
          In Turkey, or maybe in Thailand. By the way, this is also an outflow of capital when you dangle abroad and lower the loot there.

          Yesterday, I had a conversation with friends, this summer they flew to Turkey for two weeks, four for three 4tyr, and I mean 65 to Crimea, when it has exceeded 12 (for some 70 payers), I I quit counting, so as not to hurt my psyche. And now I’m definitely returning to the Turkish coast or better, I fly to Egypt through the Belarusians 2,3, and I leave the patriotic Sochi-Anapo-Crimean-Armenian rest for the Putriots.
    2. Alexga 13 November 2019 15: 57 New
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      "Here is an ordinary Belarusian, live under this so-called" comprador "elite"
      This is whom you mean. I have always been interested in who the elite and oligarchs in Belarus are.
    3. My doctor 13 November 2019 16: 56 New
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      Here is an ordinary Belarusian, live under this so-called. "comprador" elite 5 years old, even very willing to unite with Russia.

      I am from Belarus. I have a friend (distant relative) who spends all her vacations with her grandmother in Russia. He is a patriot of Russia much more than the Republic, but against unification.
    4. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 03: 16 New
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      Offshore companies in Russia covered up at the beginning of the 2000s, this is the first thing Putin did in general.

      Gee-gee. Blessed is he who believes. lol
  2. mikh-korsakov 13 November 2019 11: 32 New
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    vladimirZ! That's right, our leadership has come to such shamelessness that it exposes its weakness to the public. So, let’s say, our leader traveled to the Irkutsk region three times, saw the suffering of people there, and strictly indicated three times in order to secure and equip everyone. Bu-done is answered, but they don’t do a damn thing, they just issue prizes to themselves. Our leader, instead of using power, was carried away by social life and sneaking. He stated that they were stealing at the construction of the cosmodrome. Rogozin answers him, "They don’t steal a fig, we have treasury support." As if with treasury escort it is impossible to steal. Someone wants to unite in such a situation?
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 43 New
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      In those cases when the orders are executed on time and in letter, or local authorities do not even wait for orders, immediately doing their job, that is, 99% of cases are not interesting to discuss. It’s better to speculate about how well he lives under the Grand Duke Rygorych in the absence of any economy other than Russian subsidies.
    2. vladimirZ 13 November 2019 11: 49 New
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      That's right, our leadership has come to such shamelessness that it exposes its weakness to the public. ... - mikh-korsakov (Mikhail)

      I do not agree with you all. It is not a matter of the "weakness of the leadership" put up for public display.
      All the trouble is in the inherent system of the capitalist liberal state, which gives rise to systemic embezzlement and corruption in the state, crises and the collapse of the economy, industry, agriculture, space, education, medicine, etc., etc. Putin, Medvedev, Shoigu, Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov - the situation will not change, it will be the same.
      As in the joke about the plumbing, who investigated the decayed water supply at home: "It is useless to repair, THE SYSTEM IS NECESSARY TO CHANGE!".
      1. Polymer 13 November 2019 12: 46 New
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        Quote: vladimirZ
        All the trouble in the inherent system of the capitalist liberal state

        And if we dig even deeper, we will see that the root of evil is still in private ownership of the means of production. True, a certain K. Marx had long since guessed this and told everyone ... But so far, alas, the capitalists managed to convince everyone that Marx was wrong, that Lenin was a "German spy", and Stalin was a "bloody tyrant" in general.
        Many are now struggling with the revision of the WWII and, in particular, the Second World War - and this is a very necessary thing, this is a just cause. But this is not enough. It is necessary to seriously review the process of the collapse of the USSR and its consequences. Then, perhaps, there will be shifts for the better.
      2. EvilLion 13 November 2019 14: 20 New
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        The question may be, why in other capitalist countries the order from above is accepted to execute? Your capitalism is bad only in Russia, in other countries, which are more capitalistic at times, it does not bother you at all.
      3. balunn 13 November 2019 15: 03 New
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        The popularly elected will definitely not change the system
    3. Trifon 13 November 2019 14: 15 New
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      https://youtu.be/GXz0iG82jOo
  3. vitmih 13 November 2019 13: 19 New
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    That's when a nation state with a socially just system will revive in Russia

    Then Belarusians would prefer to unite with the Poles rather than stand in queues for toilet paper.
  4. Victor N 13 November 2019 13: 29 New
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    There is no mention of mass poverty in Russia !! And scaring oligarchs is like scaring penguins: they seem to be there, but meeting them is very difficult.
  5. Sergey1987 13 November 2019 14: 11 New
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    Quote: vladimirZ
    To lie under the "Russian" oligarchs, so that they destroy their industry

    Who will destroy that there? Balabolite but what. What Zyuzin, Lisin or Mordashev destroyed their factories?
    Quote: vladimirZ
    s / economy - for the sake of eliminating competitors to the West

    But this is just nonsense. Why destroy agricultural RB? Buy I still understand.
    Quote: vladimirZ
    To the poor people and was without work, as in Russia?

    And then everything becomes clear. Your lack of gray matter. What do you grind at all? This is a poor people in the Russian Federation and without work?))))) You probably sit in the garbage dump and starve, and with this laptop write this nonsense ?!)))))
    Quote: vladimirZ
    That's when a nation state with a socially just system will revive in Russia

    )))))) This is probably when the Soviet Union was a people's state. Well, of course, this is why in Novocherkassk the hunger riot was probably raised in the 60s.
    1. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 03: 29 New
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      What Zyuzin, Lisin or Mordashev destroyed their factories?

      Mordashov’s Severstal OJSC is owned by Cypriot offshore companies AstroshineLtd (20%), LoranelLtd (20%) and RayglowLtd (10,9%).
      For example, Uralkali Rybolovlev and Mechel Zyuzin are registered in Cyprus, while Alfa Group companies are registered in Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the British Virgin Islands and Gibraltar.

      https://www.politforums.net/internal/1485705195.html
      1. Sergey1987 18 November 2019 12: 06 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Sergey1987
        What Zyuzin, Lisin or Mordashev destroyed their factories?

        Mordashov’s Severstal OJSC is owned by Cypriot offshore companies AstroshineLtd (20%), LoranelLtd (20%) and RayglowLtd (10,9%).
        For example, Uralkali Rybolovlev and Mechel Zyuzin are registered in Cyprus, while Alfa Group companies are registered in Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the British Virgin Islands and Gibraltar.

        Oh my God. What nonsense. How does the fact that you wrote this refer to the fact that the passenger above claims that the oligarchs of the Russian Federation will destroy the industry of the Republic of Belarus?
        1. Mordvin 3 18 November 2019 12: 12 New
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          What kind of nonsense

          Yes, in such a way that everyone will be taken offshore.
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            Yes, in such a way that everyone will be taken offshore.

            What is offshore and who will get it out? Plants? RB?
            1. Mordvin 3 19 November 2019 16: 33 New
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              Factories? RB?

              Exactly. Privatization, registration in an offshore, then a person with an iPhone arrives and says that there is no money in the budget, you are on top of it.
              1. Sergey1987 20 November 2019 13: 19 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Exactly. Privatization, registration in an offshore, then a person with an iPhone arrives and says that there is no money in the budget, you are on top of it.

                ))))) This is some kind of kindergarten.
                1. If the company is registered in offshore - this does not mean that the plant and its workers do not pay a bunch of direct and indirect taxes.
                2. If a company buys a factory, this does not mean that it will be destroyed.
                3. The budget does not apply in any way and money is not allocated from it to a private factory.
                4. Understand the topic before writing this nonsense at the high school level.
  6. Alexga 13 November 2019 15: 53 New
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    With your permission, I will supplement you. It is impossible to combine the state capitalism of the Republic of Belarus and the capitalism that is in the Russian Federation. The goals and interests are different. Belarus already has experience of such ties. Slavneft bought part of the shares of the Mozyr Oil Refinery and immediately began to bankrupt the company, Lukashenko intervened with the "golden share" and put things in order. Unimilk tried chemists with dairies in Western Belarus, also put them in order. Baumgartner was convicted of criminality with Belaruskali, given a sentence, transferred to the Russian Federation, released there. Gazprom also excelled. Yes, you can still talk a lot.
  7. Alexey LK 14 November 2019 06: 09 New
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    Quote: vladimirZ
    people will heal better than in Belarus

    Those. Now people in Belarus live well, live well this way - did I understand you correctly? Have you ever been there (especially the last twenty years)?
    Quote: vladimirZ
    They don’t need it.

    What do they need? Just the Russian market and cheap resources, and loans, and nuclear power plants, and so nothing more is needed? In my hometown of Lipetsk, the plant was a tractor - pohe.or him, in general, it was necessary to support MTZ! And in Russia, agriculture is so flooded - the demand would be good! The tractor was simple, cheap ... But no, it was necessary to buy Belarus, to whom else could they sell in such quantities ...
    Quote: vladimirZ
    then the moment of unification will come

    Those. I want to come to everything ready? The concept of losers. Vaughn Kuchma in Kiev, too, was waiting for everything, when they would ask him from the Kremlin with “worthy” proposals ... he didn’t wait. No matter how the story repeats itself.
    However, I think these "Wishlist" do not apply to the majority of the people - these are the games of those in power.
  • Chit 13 November 2019 10: 44 New
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    This will be the absorption of Belarus by Russia. It is possible that with an eye on the year 2024. Then, in general, this whole company is sewn with white thread.
    But the author voices interesting theses.
    “To put it even easier, Belarus will have to become another subject of the Russian Federation with a special status.”
    Like this. Peremptorily, decisively, shortly and clearly.
    Let us leave aside the difference in territories, population, etc. Imagine how the Kremlin would react if Russia were offered to become another region of Belarus?
    And how would the Russian people react to such a proposal?
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 15 New
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      The Kremlin would simply propose to unite proportionally, and not like MAZ and KAMAZ, so KAMAZ has many times more production, but for some reason they wanted an equal share in Minsk. This does not happen. By the way, is MAZ still alive there, or is it already without the Russian market?

      Actually this is from the category of claims ukrov to some Russian territories. You, damn it, were already in Russia and everything in it was including yours, right up to Kamchatka, but you separated.

      I predict that the old man will be given compensation in the end, in order to solve this problem without firing, and the Minsk Region will be in the Russian Federation again. And in it, as in the Crimea, Russian salaries and pensions.
      1. Chit 13 November 2019 11: 33 New
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        I asked for a moment to leave alone the difference in territories, industrial potential, etc.
        I am interested in how an ordinary Belarusian will react after the news that his country was recognized as a subject of another state? How will an ordinary Russian react to such news?
        And you should not start the business with expansion. Like, I'm stronger! I have a more developed industry! I have more natural resources!
        Therefore, I will be the elder, and you will be at the beck and call.
        And, by the way, it is worth noting that the issue of the so-called association is not initiated by Belarus at all. This is constantly being done by Russia. What is already alarming Belarus. What is the interest of Russia here? In addition, it is clear, the year 2024 and the restructuring of the vertical of power? And what is the interest of Belarus?
        I agree with one thing: the old man is still killed, the strength breaks the straw. There is no reception against scrap.
        1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 48 New
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          Are you asking me? In the 1991 year, everyone was told that your country was no longer there, someone objected. So it’s better to ask yourself how the Minsk grandmothers will react when they see the new Russian pensions, they will tear apart all the opponents of the Minsk region in the Russian Federation in advance.

          In general, I believe that Russia has every right to the entire territory of the USSR, without any republics or anything else. All the Russian language, all to the Russian army, all Russian salaries and pensions, from all the same demand as from the Russians. And then they got used to live at the expense of the Russians.
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            It has every right, then ...
            And on what basis?
            Don't you think this smacks of Nazism?
            There was such a nation. Aryan.
            She considered herself above all. That she owns the whole world.
            By the way, she finished badly in the 45th.
          2. Chit 13 November 2019 13: 19 New
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            As for pensions, the gap between Belarus and Russia is not so astronomical. What should it be in theory, given the fact that Russia has the richest minerals in the world.
            But in the higher echelons of the Belarusian government there is not as many dollar billionaires as in Russia. Moreover, the number of the latter is growing steadily, from year to year. And already densely occupied the front ranks of the Forbes list.
            Do you think people in Belarus do not pay attention to such "trifles"?
          3. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 13: 22 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            In general, I believe that Russia has every right to the entire territory of the USSR, without any republics or anything else. All the Russian language, all to the Russian army, all Russian salaries and pensions, from all the same demand as from the Russians. And then they got used to live at the expense of the Russians.

            Do you want to make the "non-brothers" the only ally? So that medicine, education, and science would also be ruined in Belarus, as we did?
          4. vitmih 13 November 2019 13: 22 New
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            I propose a ride somewhere in Kazakhstan or Estonia, but in any former Soviet republic and offer them that.
          5. Trifon 13 November 2019 14: 28 New
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            Somewhere I already heard it. Stop feeding freeloaders? III, as they declared independence on their own! Yes, so they came up with a holiday, though in the future they shamefully camouflaged it. I don’t know how about the right to the entire territory of the USSR,
            but at the expense of people, so read half of Central Asia is already here. And unlike the brothers of Ukrainians with Belarusians and other Russian-speaking people, they do not feel very bad. Moreover, one can say with extraordinary ease that they receive Russian citizenship. So, rather, on the remaining territory, we will get the same international of peoples than we can unite within the former borders.
            By the way, again there will be an occasion to declare independence, now from autonomous republics.
          6. ss29 16 November 2019 21: 17 New
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            And here to the point.
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            So better ask yourself how the Minsk grandmothers will react when they see the new Russian pensions,

            I wonder how they will react when they see Russian utility bills.
        2. exalibor 13 November 2019 13: 45 New
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          Quote: Chit
          I am interested in how an ordinary Belarusian will react after the news that his country was recognized as a subject of another state?

          I’ll react like this - FINALLY ....)))) weaned ... to be honest, I personally have already tired of these swings between Europe and Russia ... then there he is laying the vector in the other direction ... then he won his own in the Second World War, his flowers and not St. George’s ribbon, then the neighbors imposed a war on him ... God blessed her ... when my grandfather fought in the partisans and then served in the Red Army until 47, he somehow did not separate himself from the Soviet man ... and now it turns out they fought themselves ... they won ... shame on her God for how he behaves ...
          1. Alexga 13 November 2019 16: 09 New
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            If you are curious, look at the photographs of the Museum of the Great Patriotic War in Minsk. Above it, the flag of the country that won the war, the flag of the USSR, develops, and on Poklonnaya Hill what?
        3. Alexga 13 November 2019 16: 05 New
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          "The old man is still killed, the force breaks the straw. There is no reception against the scrap." No, they won’t finish it. Luke in matters of muddy eagles, has experience.
    2. Victor N 13 November 2019 13: 46 New
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      Yes, another young lady on the offer may be in the face .... But you fear, be afraid - you will remain a lure.
  • Victor N 13 November 2019 13: 18 New
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    A key mistake of the author in understanding "we are different". In fact, we are one people. I am different from my wife, but together - we are one family, we are one. And the older you are, the more you realize the importance of the family. And for little ones, even one mother is also a family. Belarus is small, you shouldn’t be in vain in vain. Only together with Russia, which has enough resources, can one live with dignity and dignity. Objectively, there is only one hindrance - the ambitions of the Belarusian leadership. Ambitions of Lukashenko.
  • Victor N 13 November 2019 13: 23 New
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    To belittle your country is ugly. This is not about love for specific politicians, but about the interests of one people in different countries.
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  • tolancop 13 November 2019 17: 12 New
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    What we created 20 years ago
    - What, what .... According to the unforgettable HOUR: We wanted the best, but it turned out as always!

    The author of the immortal phrase is not PMC, but Pavlov ....
  • 210ox 13 November 2019 06: 27 New
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    Yes, this is one of the theses of A. Lukashenko. And I agree with this. But! In the article by A. Staver (unlike the statues of O. Egorov) everything is really clearly arranged. The actions of our "elites" (both in Belarus and Russia ) will not allow the creation of a truly common state.
    1. GKS 2111 13 November 2019 06: 39 New
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      The same reason why the DNI and the LC are not united is corruption.
      1. kjhg 13 November 2019 07: 02 New
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        Not only and not so much. The author missed one very important point - personal power. In my opinion, for Lukoshenko, the desire to remain the sole ruler of Belarus initially overpowered the desire to make his republic richer and more developed. Lukoshenko is ready to go to some kind of formal union, like a single ruble, a single parliament, only on the condition that he remains the sole ruler of Belarus with absolute power. Or if he is sure that he will become, if not the first, then certainly not the second person of the union state. With EBN, he had every chance of it. Under Putin, for whom sole power also plays no less importance, this is no longer possible for him. Therefore, the unification under the current leaders can take place only on one condition - if there is a threat to power, as well as a threat to life, for Lukoshenko himself. When the opposition brings the factet to his ass ... e, as it used to be in Ukraine. Then Old Man will agree to a lot, if not all.
        1. New Year day 13 November 2019 07: 17 New
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          ... can take place only on one condition - if there is a threat to power, like a threat to life, for himself ...

          I believe that the maneuver will surprise you- Lukashenko, then the Union State will form with the EU
          1. Loess 13 November 2019 09: 18 New
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            The EU still cannot form a Union State with Ukraine and has been organizing with Turkey for several decades ...
            1. New Year day 13 November 2019 11: 44 New
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              Quote: Less
              EU still cannot form Union State with Ukraine

              the EU’s task has been completed - the market is open, Ukraine is torn from the Russian Federation to the maximum. Poland has its interest in Belarus, the ultimate goal is the same. Take an interest in how the “soft power” of Poland works in Belarus
              1. Loess 13 November 2019 11: 50 New
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                the EU’s task has been completed - the market is open, Ukraine is torn from the Russian Federation to the maximum.

                But has Ukraine itself benefited from this option?
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                  Quote: Less
                  But has Ukraine itself benefited from this option?

                  depending on who and how to evaluate
                  1. Loess 13 November 2019 12: 19 New
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                    Quote: Silvestr
                    depending on who and how to evaluate

                    From the point of view of a layman, an ordinary citizen, a patriot, not an extreme nationalist, from the point of view of a simple citizen who wants to live and work in his country.
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                      The salaries of programmers in non-capital Ukrainian cities (Lviv, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa) are at or even higher than Moscow. And Moscow is the highest in Russia
                    2. Loess 13 November 2019 13: 51 New
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                      Salaries of programmers

                      A good programmer is a piece of goods ... I don’t mean that I believe / do not believe you, it’s just that my question was a little, let's say, more extensive ...
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                    From the point of view of a layman, an ordinary citizen, a patriot, not an extreme nationalist, from the point of view of a simple citizen who wants to live and work in his country.

                    but from the point of view of the ruling class? - On the contrary
                  3. Loess 13 November 2019 14: 12 New
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                    but from the point of view of the ruling class? - On the contrary

                    Is not a fact. The ruling class, which allowed such a sharp turn to the West, has changed almost completely. Now this "class" has a different composition. The population remained the same.
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                    The ruling class, which allowed such a sharp turn to the West, was replaced almost completely

                    Do you mean Yanukovych or Kolomoisky?
                  5. Loess 13 November 2019 15: 51 New
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                    I asked you a very specific question above, and you already have a comment all around ... I don’t want to answer - no, but I'm not interested in pouring from empty to empty, Chesslovo.
      2. exalibor 13 November 2019 13: 47 New
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        Take an interest in how the “soft power” of Poland works in Belarus

        please tell me, I’m living there and don’t know how it works ...
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          please tell me, I’m living there and don’t know how it works ...

          For the winter semester of the academic year 18/19 (between September 1 and November 30, 2018), 3686 freshmen from Belarus entered Polish universities, the Polish Ministry of Education and Science answered.
          For the summer semester of the same school year in Poland, there were a total of 6080 Belarusian students (with status as of August 1, 2019).
          If we compare by years, the total number of Belarusian students in Poland has not stopped growing since 2012: 2344 people (in 2012), 3220 (in 2013), 3955 (in 2014), 4555 (in 2015), 5023 (in 2016), 5980 (in 2017), 7485 (in 2018). All data were calculated in the winter semesters of the indicated years.
          Citizens of Belarus can receive education in Poland in two language programs:
          Polish language: the cost of training is lower, but the graduate receives only one diploma in his hands - Polish;
          English: higher tuition, which is offset by two diplomas - Polish and British.
          Having a Polish or even a British diploma in their hands, university graduates can seek work in other countries, not only in Europe, but even in the USA.
          Belarusians can apply for study not only in commercial, but also in state universities of the country. In most cases, tuition will be paid.
          Free training in Poland for Belarusians is available subject to the following conditions:
          Card availability
          availability of a Pole Card;
          passing competitive selection to a specific university;
          compliance with the special requirements of a number of universities (the average mark of the certificate and the scores for entrance exams are not lower than the established minimum, successful passing the exam for knowledge of the Polish language).

          In the academic year 2018/19, 4328 students from Belarus were enrolled in Russian universities - these are both state employees and paid students. Unlike Poland, this number of applicants remains at the same level in recent years: in the academic year 2017/18, 3581 people came from Belarus, in 2016/17 - 3891, in 2015/16 - 4863, in 2014/15 - 3594, in 2013/14 - 4296. The ratio of state employees to payers each year is approximately 1 to 3.
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            In fact, this is how all European education is built. Their diplomas are valid not only in European countries, the USA, Israel, etc., but also in Russia. But Russian diplomas need to be confirmed. Other things being equal, if an applicant speaks the language, he will choose Europe, because the quality of education and the scientific base there are somewhat better.
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            Quote: Silvestr

            For the winter semester of the academic year 18/19 (between September 1 and November 30, 2018), 3686 freshmen from Belarus entered Polish universities, the Polish Ministry of Education and Science answered.

            Well, we went there because in other places they see no prospects ... and what of this? Polish diplomas are quoted in Europe, but there are no Russian and Belarusian diplomas ... they must be subjected ... do you think that if a Belarusian graduated from a higher educational institution in Poland, then he will definitely stay there for permanent residence? Poland is just a springboard to settle in Europe but not in Poland itself ... yes, many people leave for Europe, but this is not because Poland lures them, but because only there Belarusians can get a European education that is affordable (not in terms of quality) with whom you can then work and live in Europe and this is not a great merit of the Poles. For example, in Gomel, we have a lot of Kazakhs studying at F. Skorina’s university .... but that doesn’t mean that the “soft power” of Belarus works in Kazakhstan ... they just can pay for their studies in our educational studies ... and I that I didn’t see one remaining on permanent residence with us ...
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        I add that the Russian media are helping them.
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        The EU’s task is not fully completed, the market is open, but only Ukrainian. And the EU was most interested in accessing the Russian market through Ukraine. ...
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  • Alexga 13 November 2019 16: 14 New
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    You know, the Slavs had strength only when they united and the presence of a strong Leader, such is our story. Lukashenko appeared in Belarus in time, so Belarus is still alive, Luka will leave, there will be a kapets to the country.
  • Mikhail Tynda 13 November 2019 07: 24 New
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    As well as the actions of the Belarusian elites ... Truly, the Belarusian elites do not really need SG. In order not to lose their privileges and not go into the second tier, so to speak.
    1. Greg Miller 13 November 2019 08: 34 New
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      It's not about privileges. The current Belarusian elite is the future Belarusian Belarusian oligarchy. They want to convert their power into property, i.e. carry out privatization in Belarus. Today, only one thing prevents them from this - the presence of Lukashenko in power. But it is not eternal, and the elite understands this, and it is ready to wait ... Well, for the privatization in Belarus to be in favor of the local elite, they need independence not only from Russia, but also from anybody.
      1. Trifon 13 November 2019 14: 53 New
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        Well, the difference in approaches is obvious.
        The Belarusian elite wants to privatize everything in their favor according to our type.
        And ours wants to privatize exclusively in its own, disregarding the interests of Belarusians.
        1. Greg Miller 13 November 2019 15: 04 New
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          It makes sense that no one is going to reckon with the interests of Belarusians at all, neither the Belarusian elite, nor the Russian ... In the interests of the Belarusians themselves, leave everything as it is now ...
  • EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 17 New
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    And what is Egorov wrong about? Is it that the existence of the Republic of Belarus as a separate state is economically pointless and now it is an incomprehensible entity that lives off at the Russian expense, but does not give anything in return? The very existence of the Republic of Belarus - this is theft, the region was stolen from Russia in order to plunder it.
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      The very existence of Belarus - this is theft, the region was stolen from Russia to plunder it

      Well, let's say the region has not yet been plundered, unlike the rest of Russia ...
  • akarfoxhound 13 November 2019 07: 12 New
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    The crowd of Russian oligarchs will divide the field of bulbs and sharply a bag of chips will not be affordable for a simple giant ???? laughing
    1. Vikxnumx 13 November 2019 09: 03 New
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      In addition to bulbs there are enough working, not stretched plants ...
      Yes, and toll roads can bring cash flows into the right pockets ...
      And animal husbandry will give a denyuzhku ...
      1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 19 New
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        And what does RB produce? In Soviet times, it was for the most part an assembly workshop; components were manufactured in other places. And MAZ, so we have KAMAZ, it has enough competitors, the MZKT is also a problem solved by purely engineering means.
        1. Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 15: 57 New
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          What MTZ replace?
          How many tractors are there in Russia selling per year? And how many of them are MTZ?
  • Civil 13 November 2019 07: 17 New
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    Everything should be, and they are different from Belarus and Russia.
  • Svarog 13 November 2019 07: 47 New
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    Capitalists can unite only when this union is beneficial to both ... If they still have not united, then someone is not profitable. I think there is no gain in this for Lukashenko.
    1. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 13: 37 New
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      If you still have not united, then someone is not profitable. I think there is no gain in this for Lukashenko.

      The fact is that Belarus, as a state, has a social character, and the Russian Federation is antisocial, therefore, at the moment, the union is not beneficial to the Belarusian people.
  • Vend 13 November 2019 09: 45 New
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    Unification will happen before Lukashenko leaves the leadership. He does not understand very well that Belarus is waiting for the Ukrainian scenario after his departure. Belarus will not be allowed to live normally. All these "throwing" to confuse Western observers. I understand this, although I could be wrong. Time will soon show.
  • Bar2 13 November 2019 10: 04 New
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    why didn’t it appear? Putin wants to clean Belarus without any equal conditions just like the region of Russia, and Lukashenko does not want this, and therefore this state did not take place.
    Engineering and military industries are developing in Belarus, agricultural products processing yields are growing. Belarus is trading with all the light, and even electric buses are being delivered to Britain. Belarus is well known in the information space, but will it be part of Russia? Who knows what Smolensk or Belgorod regions are doing?
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 22 New
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      You can find out what mechanical engineering is developing in the Republic of Belarus if, for example, for several years I have not seen a single MAZ on Russian roads, and the army in the Republic of Belarus is regarded as a bunch of parasites, is not really funded and is simply not able to purchase anything from the military-industrial complex, even in those positions that are still alive through supplies to Russia.
      1. www3 13 November 2019 12: 54 New
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        and where are you in Russia further were MKAD?))
      2. Bar2 13 November 2019 18: 05 New
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        in Belarus there are no oligarchs. Belarus does not export money abroad, Russia contains the West and., as Zyuganov said, exports loot-TRILLION DOLLARS. Therefore, in such Russia, Belarus has nothing to do.
    2. Andrey VOV 13 November 2019 12: 27 New
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      Half if not more enterprises are working at the warehouse and after a shortened working week, the food industry was a little flogged, otherwise it hurt a lot of all Belarusian palm trees, but it’s better to keep silent about Belgorod. One of the more less living regions
  • revnagan 13 November 2019 10: 07 New
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    "Russian" oligarchs, more precisely.
  • Barzha 13 November 2019 16: 14 New
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    That the "Russian" oligarchs did not rob Belarus?

    Sorry for the immodest question: And there is something to rob?
    In those days, my big boss and part-time beloved son-in-law P.P. Borodin said: “Luka went to this association only because they think he will be allowed to participate in the Presidential elections in 2001, in which he expects to win and become President "TOTAL of this union. Only hell will they let him do it!" laughing
  • Gardamir 13 November 2019 05: 57 New
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    Author minus the entire monitor. It may be enough to look for the guilty on the side. An oligarchic, liberal, bureaucratic, and corrupt Russia is just as dreaming of a Union. Yeah, don’t tell my smartphone.
    1. Victor jnnjdfy 13 November 2019 06: 21 New
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      I agree that the author is minus. The author does not understand the simple thing that the AHL's only real goal is to maintain personal power. There, probably, the children's complexes of the boy Sasha, who grew up by the bastard in the village, also play a role. In Belarus there is one oligarch whom the majority of the population cannot tolerate.
      And the relationship should be between the countries "you to me - I to you", and not "mine is mine, and yours is ours."
      1. www3 13 November 2019 12: 57 New
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        how they fought so much for a single country!
        how they mastered the north and western Siberia, it’s for the good of one country!
        but how now it’s all for the money and in favor of a small handful of certain citizens!
    2. Far B 13 November 2019 06: 31 New
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      I agree. On our part, too, there is no particular zeal in creating a union state. And, actually, Lukashenka has, as it is now fashionable to say, “a fragment of the USSR”, and in our country there is a pure oligarchocracy. How to combine opposites? Even China, with its rapid economic growth, the formula "one country - two systems" does not work very well.
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      Like Belarus, it was outlined directly.
    4. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 24 New
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      Of course, Russia is not very willing to feed these more, as long as it is not at least obliged to pay pensions to Belarusian pensioners. And the farther, the more motivation for the Russian Federation to consider Belarus only as a source of Russian-speaking migrants for permanent residence.
      1. bessmertniy 13 November 2019 12: 01 New
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        Do not say nonsense that we will feed Belarusian pensioners. They earned their own pensions. This must be recognized. As for the single state, we need to learn from the Germans, who first united, and after that, along the way, they began to solve the problems that this association entailed. At least, today there is no talk of breaking up again in Germany and the GDR. hi
        1. Oh_ho_ho 14 November 2019 18: 00 New
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          Ask the East Germans: are they satisfied with the unification?
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        Judging by the presence of Belarusian products, they feed us, not we. Well, the quality of their products will be somehow higher
    5. Sling cutter 13 November 2019 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      An oligarchic, liberal, bureaucratic, and corrupt Russia is just as dreaming of a Union. Yeah, don’t tell my smartphone.

      That's just the same, and yes, because what we mistakenly call the state-vom, quite a dozen offshore allihators, for example, will be able to add forbes to themselves at the expense of the Republic of Belarus.
      And as soon as Russia becomes a normal social state with real goals, an adequate policy, the unification will happen very quickly.
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  • Ross xnumx 13 November 2019 06: 13 New
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    Why in the 20 years a full-fledged Union State of Russia and Belarus did not appear

    Patamushta!
    On what rotten basis should this allied state appear? To make it work for Moscow and the Russian oligarchs, attracting taxes of Belarusians? Stealing Russian officials of all levels, a corrupt judicial system that only decides what to do with the killers:

    It's amazing what kind of braces can connect such a union? If only National Unity Day? ... stop
    No! Rather, on the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution ...
    yes hi
    1. Same lech 13 November 2019 06: 23 New
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      a corrupt court system that only decides how to deal with killers:

      They stepped on a sore spot ...
      Olga Alisova was released, who crushed a 6-year-old boy in the courtyard.
      And so we live ... professors of higher educational institutions of Russia began to vividly show their spiritual level to the whole country without too much embarrassment about the reaction of society ... of course, Belarusians looking at all this do not have much desire to join the union state.
    2. Mikhail Tynda 13 November 2019 07: 32 New
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      Are Belarusians sinless and fart with violets? Everywhere the same thing. From gifts in China to answers in Russia and bribes in Belarus. It is still necessary to understand where it is worse. It’s enough already when a monster is made from my Russia. At the same time, they do it unreasonably. Yes, not everything is good, but not everything is as bad as some would like. For many years now, at the household level and as the head of a small enterprise, I have not encountered corruption. Plin, arbitrariness of officials, plin corruption! Once again I say, the ideal is far, but not Hohland, and not Belarus, to some extent.
    3. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 25 New
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      Do you think in Russia they want to feed the poor potato growers at the expense of taxes of Russians?
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        Do you think in Russia they want to feed the poor potato growers at the expense of taxes of Russians?

        Well, after all, poor Syrians, Turks, Africans and Chechens are fed by the whole of Russia ... and then what is this antipathy?))))
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        Do you think in Russia they want to feed the poor potato growers at the expense of taxes of Russians?

        And what for are we feeding the Georgian-Israelis?
  • Ross xnumx 13 November 2019 06: 21 New
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    But in connection with Russia's actions in the field of oil and gas trade, Minsk’s profit fell sharply.

    Let’s tell us how the incomes of Russians increased in connection with the construction of new gas pipelines, an increase in oil and gas sales abroad, and as a result of effective actions in this field by Schroeder, Sechin, Miller and other “gray shareholders”, who, in fact, are slightly less 50% of these components.
    So, maybe it was precisely this income-generating activity that preoccupied Minsky, first and foremost, with the shareholding sector of the Russians' National Treasures, which television ads have been broadcasting for so long and persistently? belay
    1. Pessimist22 13 November 2019 06: 26 New
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      It is necessary to put the father of the president of the union state, so that he put Ragozin on the East to work on the shovel for merit, for 10 years.
  • Polymer 13 November 2019 06: 22 New
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    Just at that time, 20 years ago, I was there in Belarus. And I remember well the opinion of ordinary Belarusians regarding the creation of this SG. Basically, it boiled down to the fact that "Russians should not be allowed here." This was not ordinary ordinary people, but namely representatives of large business in the Russian Federation. They, they say, at home in Russia tearing everything up and selling it for scrap - and we will have the same thing.
    Belarus is the only country in the post-Soviet space that has most fully preserved the Soviet legacy in terms of a social state. And the citizens of Belarus appreciate it. In any case, 20 years ago it was.
    One must understand who would benefit from the final merger. The main beneficiaries will probably be those very “Russian business sharks”. I don’t think that ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation will get anything other than moral satisfaction from the realization that "we and my brothers are together again." But ordinary Belarusians can seriously suffer from this - the collapse of existing enterprises, unemployment, etc. Do they need it?
    I think the process of unification has been delayed precisely for this reason - Belarusians do not want to lose what they have left of the USSR. Moreover, lose in favor of the oligarchs of Russia.
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      I think the process of unification has been delayed precisely for this reason - Belarusians do not want to lose what they have left of the USSR. Moreover, lose in favor of the oligarchs of Russia.

      I live in Gomel - believe me, little depends on the opinion of ordinary Belarusians .... so this is not our unwillingness to unite or unwillingness to lose something - these are the desires of those who are sitting upstairs ... I personally would have united for a long time, I still live in two countries half a year at home half a year in Russia ...
      1. Polymer 13 November 2019 08: 23 New
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        So if "into two countries" - then it is clear that there are no objections. But are there most of them?
        And then, I rely on the arguments of twenty years ago - during this time, of course, something could change.
        I then lived in Vileyka, often had to be in Minsk and Molodechno.
        Yours! hi
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          of these, so far the majority ... but if 20-30 years pass, everything can change ... young people no longer remember the union, but begin to look at Europe more ...
      2. beeper 13 November 2019 17: 37 New
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        My Belarusian youth is also so-home now only comes on vacation, occasionally! request
        Someone in Europe, someone in Russia gave in to work, "with an eye" for permanent residence.
        They say that in Belarus they have nothing to catch — more or less high-paying jobs — not so many (and basically they are all in Minsk!), But the usual (not according to Lukashenka’s “beautiful Wishlist”, but real!) Belarusian salary pragmatic young people today do not want to "exist (as most of their parents" exist ")!"
        About the Soviet Union, young people who grew up after its death have superficial knowledge, and it’s not interesting for them - they are in a hurry to live (on the principle of “everything is now!”) And there is no nostalgia for “OUR past” - they will have their own!
        Membership in the Belarusian Republican Youth Union (in my opinion, a purely formal organization) did not carry any ideological burden during studies, except that some individual "activists" were allowed to stand out and "merge" into the structures of power. The most “manipulated” by the authorities (like everywhere else in the post-Soviet space?!) Are Belarusian students and state employees.
        In Belarus, as well as in Ukraine (I can only guess about Russia and “extrapolate” about present-day Crimea about Russia smile ), the functionaries of the neocapitalist authorities, the opinion of most fellow citizens about the desired state system is absolutely NOT interesting (although the general attitude of the Belarusian authorities to their duties and to ordinary people is noticeably more responsible and better than in Ukraine! IMHO)!
    2. vitvit123 13 November 2019 10: 04 New
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      So these are enterprises that, as you say, have not been torn apart and work thanks to the Russian Federation (and sharks of Russian business). Do you even think about where this state takes finance and what it makes ....
      1. Polymer 13 November 2019 10: 19 New
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        In Belarus, engineering is very developed. And this is not the merit of the “sharks of Russian business,” it is not the profane heritage of the USSR.
        You know, I was quite young then, and on the generally accepted wave then, somehow in a private conversation I began to complain about hard life in Kazakhstan. And then we really had everything very, very bad. What did they tell me after listening carefully?
        - To rob, it is necessary to rob - then everything will be fine!
        After the third such answer, my desire to complain about life was forever gone. Thanks to the Belarusians! Very hardworking people.
        1. vitvit123 13 November 2019 20: 08 New
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          do you even understand something in the state economy? although the question is rhetorical .. if you think you understand, (nothing personal) it is not at all. Before writing, on this subject, at least a little read about financially - economic indicators of this ter. education and think. Everything is in the public domain. I’ll tell you a secret, their work, nobody really needs anyone, and only the Russian Federation gives them a market so that they can partially shift the load on the maintenance of Belarus from the state. budget of the Russian Federation, on the shoulders of the Russians. Until you understand this, it is essentially impossible to discuss with you. and if they close the market (do not give loans, etc.) of the Russian Federation, because enough of them, it’s even scary to imagine what will be there ...
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            Until you understand this, it’s impossible to essentially discuss with you

            Yes, in fact, there is no such desire from the word at all.
            ... We had such a production manager who told everyone and everyone “you are not good at our technologies”, although his own knowledge was at the level of hardwood. And he said this because, in essence, he had nothing to say.
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              I will also tell you that Belarus is the largest debtor to Russia! Well, how can there be equal benefits? Constant injections from Russia! Has she now paid for the Su planes she received from us with money? Or maybe she paid for the nuclear power plant that our people are building, with our money? please answer directly ...
              We’ll also try to reason. How can Belarus make a lot of money? on tractors, mazes, potatoes ,,,? Who needs maz, except for the Russian market. most importantly, the euro market, America, and other developed countries where there is capital? He is not needed there! also on tractors! and potatoes with milk! I look forward to continuing.


              I wrote it to another person, but the same to you! please disprove essentially and without populism.
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            2. vitvit123 14 November 2019 19: 35 New
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              and I like your example. but in this matter everything is very primitive and with such considerations as yours, before there were a lot of people. Now many have changed their views. Well, how much can you write that Belarus is hard workers, concern for the neighbor, universal equality and brotherhood, etc. ? so far I ask you to essentially communicate, you again did not answer me at whose expense this territory education lives ... 7,5 billion dollars of Russia's debt makes you think. and they’re also talking about some kind of nuclear power plant ... it’s interesting at whose expense and whose specialists, if we discuss something else, I’ll bring a lot of work ...
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              and if they close the market (do not give loans, etc.) of the Russian Federation, because enough of them, it’s even scary to imagine what will be there...
              By the way, I outlined your wood in general terms! then why bite? essentially much better! I will wait for an answer.
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            I’ll tell you a secret, their work, nobody really needs anyone and only the Russian Federation gives them a market

            I’ll tell you a secret too. Belarus, due to circumstances prevailing since the USSR, is the assembly shop of the Union. And this workshop, thanks to the signed union agreement, has basically been preserved and is working. Cooperation with Russian enterprises gives work to Russians. The assembly shop will stop - you can imagine what will be there. So everything is mutually beneficial.
            1. vitvit123 14 November 2019 20: 00 New
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              And as an example, if you stop the MAZ plant it may be more profitable, because there will be no competition for KAMAZ (do not write current about the quality of KAMAZ, about yamz engines .... those who assemble yamz - convert engines under kamaz). If you stop the tractor factory in Belarus, it will be beneficial to tractor manufacturers in the Russian Federation (and they are). We would not need them at all, because. This is a weak point of many states and it is better to give more of their market than Belarusians to feed .... I briefly described the situation to you, as an example .... otherwise you say it is mutually beneficial ...
              Waiting for an answer ...
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                And as an example, if you stop the MAZ plant it may be more profitable, because there will be no competition for KAMAZ

                Somehow not quite an example, in my opinion. Your plants operate both at MAZ and KAMAZ, etc. Our people will stop - where your plants will deliver what they delivered to Belarus means a reduction. But, in principle, capitalism. With the collapse of the Union in Russia, a lot of enterprises were bought abroad, privatized and then successfully bankrupted and collapsed, competition, however. So in this case: MTZ, MAZ competitors to KAMAZ, Russian tractor and others, therefore, Uralkali-Belaruskali, MAZ-KAMAZ did not take place. There was an attempt to bankrupt our enterprises; competitors are not needed. In the meantime, it’s mutually beneficial. I believe that this will continue to be so.
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                  So, I tried to answer, but time seemed to drag out, everything was erased.
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                  I can’t imagine your logical chain, in my opinion (and others covered it) and theoretically and practically MAZ and KamAZ are direct competitors! I do not know how to prove that 2 + 2 = 4 (although this can be proved). Ukraine stopped working with us, so we have a lot of work added and that’s good! This is an example! And Belarus, even near, in economics, did not stand with Ukraine .....
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                    Ukraine stopped working with us, so we have a lot of work added and that’s good!

                    As an employee of the ZiL branch, I’ll say that nifiga has not increased.
                    1. vitvit123 17 November 2019 16: 35 New
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                      And where does the ZIL? Not at all a competitor of either KAMAZ or MAZ ... and ZIL ALREADY died by the time of 2014. Why try to put pants over your head? ....
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                        and ZIL ALREADY died by the time of 2014.

                        And where does the 2014 year come from? Hundreds of enterprises were associated with ZIL, whose employees were left without work. In a similar situation, the US government saved Harley Davidson by imposing duties on Japanese motorcycles and issuing an interest-free loan. I wonder why a copy of the Stalin Plant, the First Automobile Plant, built by the USSR specialists in China, still lives and thrives under state administration? Only on it 120 thousand people work.
                      2. vitvit123 18 November 2019 17: 12 New
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                        What do you mean? You catch the essence of my comments? I wrote that Ukraine stopped making some positions with us; we had to do them ourselves! And my conclusion is that this is good! What does ZIL have to do with it .... Belarusians will stop supplying tractors ... it even becomes ridiculous ... I think Russia will survive, especially since I have already seen tractors produced in the Russian Federation for a long time.
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                And I also want to remind about loans, the market, nuclear power plants, etc. how does Belarus make money there? .... it's obvious how you can argue ...
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          . I’ll tell you a secret, their work, nobody really needs

          Who decided this? Maybe people there are "extra"? Familiar reasoning.
          I’ll tell you a secret too - this "work" of the current economists is not needed by anyone, but for most it is also harmful. And it’s not labor at all, but a parasitic existence - therefore, in quotation marks.
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            It’s not interesting for people about who needs and who doesn’t. I just want them to live either at their own expense or in one country! Once again, nobody needs their work, they will never feed themselves! I agree about economists ... this comment of yours somehow does not carry a semantic load, regarding the beginning of communication.
          2. vitvit123 15 November 2019 16: 54 New
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            What did they do with their labor? Maybe competitive products that are in demand in the EU, America and other developed countries? With these products do they earn their full living? Maybe they earned at that nuclear power plant? Or do they live at someone else's expense?
          3. vitvit123 15 November 2019 17: 04 New
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            And I will wait for you to discuss the economic existence of this territorial entity? You 'stung' me a little .... and I want to find out how much you understand "wood"!
  • EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 28 New
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    What do you have left there? Something is not going to you, but yours are running to us.
    1. www3 13 November 2019 13: 03 New
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      how the Russians go to work in Belarus)) -https: //finance.tut.by/news653068.html
      1. Polymer 13 November 2019 13: 34 New
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        By the link - pay attention to the numbers! On average 2500 people. - Is this a "massive influx of labor migrants"?
        1. www3 13 November 2019 14: 04 New
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          and you pay attention to the numbers of Belarusians who left to earn money in Russia - almost 1: 1))
          and then the Russians go to work in Belarus - a fact! )
  • DEDPIHTO 13 November 2019 06: 23 New
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    The author forgets the old truth that, “bread is the head of everything,” contemptuously calling Belarus a collective farm and the Old Man the collective farm chairman, apparently for some, the plastic porridge of kin-dza-dza is tastier and healthier than natural collective farm products. If Old Man was a sucker or a global liberal (hello to the Kremlin), Belarus would have long resembled huge Russian expanses with forested fields and devastated villages disappearing from the map of Russia at an alarming rate .. I wonder what locusts tried so hard and whether Belarus needed it . winked
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 35 New
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      In the Russian Federation, the level of agricultural production is approximately at the level of the RSFSR at the end of the Union, Russia is breaking records for wheat exports with smaller sown areas and 4 times less equipment. Why? The development of agricultural technology, the liquidation of collective farms, which Khrushchev virtually ruined by liquidating the MTS, is now built on agricultural Russia by large agricultural holdings that use the Stalinist policy of technical support at the expense of large enterprises that either allow you to rent machinery, either plow themselves, or the agricultural holding can create the most powerful MTS inside. Perhaps in the USSR in the 60s it was necessary to switch from collective farms, which are no larger than a powerful American farm, to larger formations, as the next stage of agricultural development. But Khrushchev did the exact opposite, atomizing them by transferring technology.

      As for incomprehensible fields with scanty yields, then, as it were, the gift of such happiness is not necessary.
      1. Trifon 13 November 2019 15: 13 New
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        Question. How much grain does the Russian Federation supply in the framework of cooperation in the former southern republics? How much grain is supplied free of charge (that is, for nothing) to adhering countries? I won’t be on the topic of Khrushchev, etc. But, under long-term agreements, the USSR was forced to purchase crops from foreign producers, even in conditions of high yields. And yet, are you really sure that the purchased grain came to the USSR in large quantities?
      2. Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 08: 24 New
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        Grain export is organized at the expense of ditched livestock.
        To grow grain - 50 people per 10 hectares of sown area! (this is with office !!!)
        A poultry farm with a cycle of 39 days and imported eggs for an incubator ...
        Lift up the old statistical directories and see:
        "Meat - ...
        Poultry meat - ... "
        And do not mix these concepts! Different quality, production time and payback!
      3. Mordvin 3 17 November 2019 04: 12 New
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        Russia is breaking records for wheat exports with smaller sown areas and 4 times less equipment. Why?

        Yes, do not disgrace you. Increase in grain collection due to a decrease in class. Everything is simple - lower grain class, more collection.
  • DNS-a42 13 November 2019 06: 34 New
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    Why didn’t a full Union State of Russia and Belarus appear in 20 years?

    The answer is simple: Capitalism is a rotten basis for unification.
    1. prior 13 November 2019 08: 32 New
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      I would say this: "Rotten capitalism is a rotten basis for unification."
    2. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 36 New
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      A rotten Belarusian feudalism?
      1. DNS-a42 13 November 2019 12: 13 New
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        In Belarus, too, capitalism.
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          Nooo, they rolled back to a personal principality, that is, there feudalism, as it is.
          1. DNS-a42 13 November 2019 14: 53 New
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            Labor and capital markets suddenly disappeared? Belarusians assigned to a particular feudal lord, or are they still hired? I think the second.

            Most likely, you have some kind of feudalism of your own, invented.
  • samarin1969 13 November 2019 06: 36 New
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    "Patient" has long been dead. If the Kremlin had the desire to revive the union state (and not only with Belarus), then it would have done so long ago. But these people have completely different interests.
    The Russian Federation is not Prussia, and now it is not 1871. In other cases, the "collection of lands" occurred without the obvious pleasure of the republics. Therefore, waiting for Lukashenko to agree to the Union is simply absurd.
  • tesser 13 November 2019 06: 49 New
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    Here, many scold who Vladimir Vladimirovich, who Alexander Grigoryevich, they say, poorly combined. And I will praise. Honestly, I rarely manage to praise Vladimir Vladimirovich, but when I earned it, I am always ready.

    If anyone remembers the end of the 90s, then Alexander Grigoryevich could well see Monomakh’s cap in some variants. But the minimum he agrees to is, figuratively speaking, the status of Ramzan. The status of Ramzan, in addition to money from Allah, involves a little bit of his army. A perfectly reasonable desire: either siloviki are afraid of you, or you are afraid of silovikov.

    However, it is difficult to argue that the two Ramzans, with all due respect, are somehow too much for Russia alone. Good, as they say, little by little. So correctly Vladimir Vladimirovich shook up this whole thing.
  • Guards turn 13 November 2019 06: 50 New
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    "Take an example from the Belarusians. Belarusians do not ask what the Motherland can do for them - they ask themselves what Russia can do for their Motherland."
  • Per se. 13 November 2019 07: 05 New
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    We are just building a different Union State
    Exactly, here it is necessary to separate the sheep from the goats, that is, in fact, the socialist model of the economy in Belarus, and our oligarch brothers, who destroyed the same ZIL in Moscow, and continue to reduce and “optimize” everything throughout Russia by selling raw materials and Soviet military developments. Belarus does not have such a margin of safety for collapse and degradation, as in Russia.

    It seems that the article is another justification for our power, again Lukashenko is to blame for everything, like, he either says or doesn’t. What did they say? They said that the retirement age will not rise while Putin is president? They spoke, but raised. They said that they would never recognize Bandera’s power in Ukraine, after the anti-constitutional coup? They said, but recognized the elections held by the junta, and it turns out that this power itself was worth Didier Burkhalter to visit Moscow and make it clear where and who the treasures of our "elite" lie with. They said that "let them just try" in the Donbass? They said they tried, they still kill Russians, and they pretend that it’s not our business, different “talking heads” justify and explain how cleverly this conflict solved the problem of Ukraine’s membership in NATO ...
    Yes, they took Crimea, having lost all of Ukraine, made a splash out of defeat, extravaganza, even a monstrous crime in Odessa was swallowed, leaving all the Russians to justify their failure.

    What to blame now on Belarus? We are hindered by the dependence of the Russian "elite" on the West, the dependence of our capitalist power on the masters of the world capitalism system, into which Russia has plunged, picking up capitalism from the dump of history, obeying laws and rules, not for the good of the invented colonies. That’s the whole story. People’s power, socialism will return, we will have a union state, we will live happily, but for now we’ll have to "wrap our coats in their underpants."
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 40 New
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      There was no Crimea, it was not clear where the fleet should be removed. There is Crimea, the rest of the impoverished outskirts is separated by LDNR, only an abnormal person can call one of Russia's greatest victories in 1000 years, with so little investment, defeat.

      Talking about some kind of loss of Ukraine, which fundamentally positions itself as non-Russia, ignoring even its own economic interests, is pointless. You cannot lose what was not yours.
      1. Per se. 13 November 2019 12: 21 New
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        There was no Crimea, it was not clear where the fleet should be removed.
        "Nulli Expugnabilis Hosti" ("The Enemy Will Not Drive Us Out"), this is the motto on the arms of Gibraltar, which the British settled in, despite all the protests of Spain. These colonialists do not go anywhere and the Spaniards cannot drive them out, although they turned off everything they can and cannot do, the shavers are in their base. Nobody would have expelled our fleet from Crimea, well, if they themselves hadn’t fled from Eastern Europe, throwing airfields and military camps, Crimea would have been ours.

        This is not even the case, they took Crimea, it was also impossible to take it, they did not take all of Ukraine (together with Crimea). In general, the entire southeast of Ukraine was for Russia, waiting for help, giving signals, but our government was inactive. The United States was concerned about Ukraine, but our government doesn’t? The United States had a little snout, everything was sewn with white thread, the organization of an unconstitutional coup was evident, but Russia was to blame, the sanctions were not against the United States, although by all the rules of international law, the United States is the organizer of the coup, and any actions of Russia to return the law authorities legitimate Yanukovych would be legitimate and justified. Ukraine, a member of the CIS, a state bordering with us, we were tied up with economic and family ties, this is an important territory, a zone of our national interests, nowhere is more important. Yanukovych and Azarov were with us, why did not the junta say that you are nobody and there is no way to call you? No, but they quickly shot a movie with an anguish ("Putin, send troops"), a sort of agitation, explaining in this cartoon why Russia should not be able to send troops (NATO is just waiting for this, they say). It was not necessary to introduce troops, why did the Bandera elections then recognize? Chewed up snot, trodden down, then began to justify the "tricky move", based on the capture of the Crimea to sing.

        You can’t lose what you don’t have ... This is not about us, Ukraine was ours, but it was pumped up, traded for the safety of our "elite" junk, in foreign banks and foreign currency, but they got scared for the pipe. Although, it was the protection of the pipeline, the uninterrupted supply of gas to Europe that could be an additional reason to intervene. This is just now that anti-Russia will be sculpted from Ukraine, and this is also the "merit" of our dependent policy on the masters of the world capitalist system.
        1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 14: 32 New
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          I don’t care what is in Gibraltar, and mentally ill people who consider themselves non-Russians should have prayed to the Navy in Sevastopol, because he would have protected them, but they are sick, they don’t understand. It is useless to communicate with them in the language of logic, and the Kremlin understood this very well. And in Novorossiysk the port was deepened, because if the horses didn’t want to renew the contract, they would have to either fight or get out.

          As for the kindred state, if a relative beats in hysteria that he does not know, then it is impossible to communicate normally with him. My cousin, 20, was left an orphan at the end of last year, I still don’t have a mind, I recently “distinguished myself” by hijacking her elder sister without a license and breaking her car. I got off with 10 for days, about my sister, I think there is no need to explain, I gave it. But if you think about it, then maybe it’s better for the better and it’s straightening the brains, and before that I went and talked. And the only way to reason the non-brothers is pain and suffering. Until they understand that they are Russian, not Austrian borderlands, who are already held for gypsies in Europe, and in Poland they don’t even consider people, it’s useless to talk to them and rub something about fraternity. You can’t stop your brother if he foolishly says that he’s not well with you and that he is packing his bags.
  • parusnik 13 November 2019 07: 18 New
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    Unification requires ideological “bonds”, but they exist? ... They do not exist, so they wind up in ideology in different directions, that Belarus, that Russia ... A simple example ... In Belarus, they say on November 7, in Russia there , we have another holiday today 4 November ... Even on the celebration of May 9, we’re at the merchandise ... We don’t need to talk about the rest ...
  • exalibor 13 November 2019 07: 23 New
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    "Take an example from the Belarusians. Belarusians do not ask what the Motherland can do for them - they ask themselves what Russia can do for their Motherland."

    do not talk rubbish ... Belarusians do not ask anyone about anything ... they live on their own and the state itself ... and, in principle, like you and ordinary people, they don’t give a damn about the state ... and that money which Russia allocates for us ... it’s not up to us ... nifiga doesn’t reach ordinary people ... take at least the gas that Russia supplies to us at reduced prices ... it costs the population 2 times more, that is, at world prices. .. where do you think the difference goes? And so in all directions ... they are tearing the last skin from the population, and raising the salaries of officials and security officials ... Doesn’t it remind you of anything? So Russia subsidizes the regime, not the Belarusians ...
    1. beeper 13 November 2019 15: 54 New
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      So it was in Ukraine as well, when their accomplices from Russia delivered natural gas "for the population" at a discounted price of $ 50 per 1000 cubic meters to local kleptovites, and Kiev "brothers" in power resold this "preferential gas" to the Ukrainian population at "atomic prices" , and the resulting "fat" was shared with the Kremlin "brothers", who thereby subsidized the Russophobian Kiev "regime" -Washington (and the Americans themselves allocated to it-borrowed only 5 billion "green rubles", and the remaining tens of billions for this megarusophobic project "so it turns out, the Russian government itself singled out, gave away ?!" "the Anti-Russia project!"

      The "Gus" ambassador - "gasman (former" Basayev’s negotiator ")", who was surprisingly not only the Russian part of the Ukrainian population, was "fussing" with the dill-raiser "writer of Ukraine-not Russia!" not even out of a simple "friendly interest", but professionally "for work"!) and did not leaf through the vile Russophobic "software product" of his red "sidekick" ("... my old friend Leonid and I are former" red directors "and former "premieres", so we understand each other well .... "??!).
      There is nothing to say about the "non-Russian" friend and business partner of the "future" maid of prez, "Russophobes Potrokh, who allegedly" plenipotentiary in Ukraine’s interests of Russia, "who has victimized and completely unrequitedly swallowed all the bandero-nationalist ..... poured onto Russia and the Russians. and to say, she was completely perplexed by the adequate Ukrainian population about the sobriety and sanity of the Russian leadership, who appointed such a (retrospectively failing ?!) “safe” (helpless, initiativeless, stupid “three in one”!) sub-ambassador to a strategically important country for Russia ??!

      By the way, the respected Author did not mention an important nuance-LAS about the Union State project, he was so active with the promotion of the Union Treaty, he was just the “energizer of the project” because in those years he was very popular “among the people” not only in Belarus and Ukraine, but also in Russia, he often, presidentially, visited even the Russian "outback" and behaved there quite "at home"!
      So, the general leadership of the Union State of Russia and Belarus, with (which has already become apparent to all sighted and blind!) Incapacity of the elderly and sick of his Russian counterpart, allowed Lukashenko to de facto advance to the First Role in this “duumvirate” and, over time, try to single-handedly lead the SG!
      But these very, very “motivating”, pragmatic “layouts” of the Arab League, less than a month later, were violated, and then (according to the results of the Russian presidential election 2000) and completely destroyed by the “New Year’s surprise” of EBN!
      To say that the LAS was just upset then was nothing to say, in those “annoying days” it even “slept off the face” –– looked around! IMHO
      With the strengthening of the GDP in its presidential incarnation, the “union enthusiasm” of the Belarusian “Father’s” was directly proportional to fade away - it was very noticeable from the outside!
  • rotmistr60 13 November 2019 07: 28 New
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    We still differently understand the word "union" ...
    Probably it is. Lukashenko understands this as Russia's duty to finance Belarus (preferences, loans ...) and at the same time “not to interfere” in its affairs and steadfastly endure his verbal diarrhea and attacks in our direction. We understand differently.
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    By the jubilee they will pour another batch of chatter that "work is underway, there is progress, everything will be fine," but in reality there will be no unification, because Old Man for any prospects does not exchange absolute power in his small principality. And the Belarusian oligarchs, who have long learned his rules of the game, will never want to be swallowed up by Russian ones.
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    How will we celebrate the round date

    And what to note that they have not quarreled yet completely?
  • vitvit123 13 November 2019 07: 55 New
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    If you unite Russia and this territorial entity, then Lukashenko will cease to be president! That’s the whole secret. Hence the terrible Russian oligarchs who simply can’t sleep from such "assets". In reality, Russians, like any others, buy what they consider necessary in Belarus, too, but many probably do not understand this.
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      Have you already bought MAZ, MZKT and MTZ?
      Or did you stop your PCM combine?
      Or some tractor in the Russian Federation resuscitated?
  • Chingachguk 13 November 2019 08: 08 New
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    Old Man all his time in power, educates the Belarusian youth, setting it against Russia. He feeds the cookie from nuland and assures everyone that the parasitic lifestyle of Belarus, on the neck of Russians and all of Russia, is right and absolutely normal! What kind of alliance can we talk about? Belarus still has not recognized the Russian Crimea! It's time to tighten Lukashenko’s nuts and remove Belarus from his neck!
    1. Vikxnumx 13 November 2019 10: 04 New
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      Have you seen that Papa Kolya does all this?
      I have a couple of nephews in Belarus who have grown up and have never heard of anything like this. Yes, and I myself have not seen any changes in attitude towards Russians in Belarus ...
      And try to drive around Naroch, where there are a lot of resorts. So there, a car with RB numbers is less common than with Russian ones. And they don’t say "Come here."
      And no one kicks higher education into the Belarusian language.
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        The fact that over the past few years the activity of nationalists in Belarus has intensified is a fact. And all this comes with the support or connivance of Lukashenko’s authorities. The obsessive idea of ​​replacing the Russian language with “mova” in schools, the Old Man’s pearl about the Second World War, the attitude to the St. George ribbon and the immortal regiment are just some examples. Although at the household level, perhaps the changes are not so noticeable ...
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          The fact that over the past few years the activity of nationalists in Belarus has intensified is a fact. And all this goes with the support or connivance of Lukashenko’s authorities
          well, rather connivance ... he is weakening ... losing power slowly ...

          Quote: Tzar
          The obsession with replacing the Russian language "mova" in schools

          there is no replacement in schools for mov))) I have two children studying at school ... they learn Belarusian along with Russian and do not always even understand what they speak Belarusian ... even the number of hours of the Russian language per week is more than Belarusian ... .and why then tell these tales about replacing the Russian language with a national one?

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          Old Man about WWII

          Wow ... I agree to hear it myself ...


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          attitude to St. George ribbon

          it’s normal ... no one forbids ... but why did I introduce this green bullshit I don’t understand either ...
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        Dad, if your insolent in the end. Maybe you do not agree that Belarus will hit Russia’s neck? Due to what does Belarus live in general? Families where instead of good morning they immediately shout that they will go to another if they don’t give money for tsatsk, break up. And most often, that part of it that was constantly not happy and lived at the expense of the other, ended up under the fence. Would you like to join Ukraine and its fermentation on a deep anus? I also have relatives in Belarus, and it is they who say that mostly young people support their father if they can easily start jumping, especially since your father brings Belarus to this.
    2. exalibor 13 November 2019 15: 32 New
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      Old Man all his time in power, educates the Belarusian youth, setting it against Russia. He feeds the cookie from nuland and assures everyone that the parasitic lifestyle of Belarus, on the neck of Russians and all of Russia, is right and absolutely normal!

      complete nonsense ... !!! where did you see such agitation going on? it’s just that the Belarusian Popular Front and other riffraff fiercely hates Russia, I just tried to communicate with them to understand them, why they do not like Russia and what did it do to them? Well this is impenetrable people !!! and Old Man incidentally spread rot them and not grows ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov 13 November 2019 08: 19 New
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    Those who hold power will never, of their own free will, give up power. Who will drive in the union state, Moscow or Minsk? Which of them will voluntarily give up leadership in a smaller piece of territory in exchange for submission to a large one? I myself will answer - no one, and never. And do not care about the wishes of the people.
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    About the article. The author believes that the Russian authorities see the union state as a confederate entity like the Grand Duchy of Finland in the Russian Empire. I didn’t hear our authorities writing or saying anything like that. Maybe it was a long time ago? The analogy with the film is interesting, but incomplete, because, I think, one should add a person from the regional committee who weaves intrigues around the relations of the characters. But most importantly, in its stupid bustle and mutual accusations, the Russian elite stops the desire to unite, except to take advantage.
    1. VeteranVSSSR 13 November 2019 09: 17 New
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      It has long been, there was such a slogan:
      -Proletarians of all countries, unite !!!
      Proletarians, where are you AU ???
      But something else comes to mind - divide and POWER !!!
      This is how the casket just opens, and the author pushes everything for the Bolshoi (theater) ...
      Funny however ...
  • Loess 13 November 2019 08: 58 New
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    Maybe my logic is "lame" somewhere, but unification is possible only on the conditions of absorption of one by another. In the best case, as the author correctly noted, this will be a variant of Finland as part of the Russian Empire. In any other case, it will not be a state, but a temporary union. It is a temporary, history does not know examples of eternal alliances.
    1. exalibor 13 November 2019 15: 40 New
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      In the best case, as the author correctly noted, this will be a variant of Finland as part of the Russian Empire.

      let’s do it somehow ... even though the federation even the region ... tired of waiting already ...
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        let's get something.

        But is that what I decide? request
  • Provincial_71 13 November 2019 09: 08 New
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    Started for health, and finished for peace ...
  • oracul 13 November 2019 09: 10 New
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    Do not confuse Lukashenko with the elite and the Belarusian people. The main reason for the elite’s hesitation and throwing is the desire to be in power. An example of this is the former Union republics, where national elites finally seized power, and given the factor of the capitalist system, it means money. The union state will have a different alignment and not all current statesmen will remain in their posts. The EU gives them a chance to stay in their current form for a while, since the number one task now is to tear Belarus away from Russia, and then everything is extremely simple: democratic elections in which liberals and generally new people oriented to the West will win. There will come free market competition within the EU, which will undoubtedly destroy the industrial potential of the republic, people will have the freedom to go to prosperous Europe to work, where qualified personnel are needed. Western technologies are not just worked out, but polished. This can be seen in the examples of the countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic states. The main thing is not to pretend that nothing is happening, not to try to hold on, especially with money and handouts, but to draw lessons and raise Russia.
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    They won’t become Russia again ?! Poland and Lithuania will be torn apart !!!
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      Maybe . Such entities cannot be independent.
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      Poland and Lithuania will be torn to pieces !!!

      )))) Yes, Lithuania is tearing .... really there is someone who is afraid))))
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    "Why in 20 years a full-fledged Union State of Russia and Belarus did not appear"
    So oligarchic capitalism is the same. Ktozh foreign oligarchs voluntarily let himself ???
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      In my opinion, this is half the reason. And the whole reason is the power and money of the Belarusian elite.
      1. Maks1995 13 November 2019 13: 31 New
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        This is oligarchic capitalism.
        "power and money of the Belarusian elite" against
        "power and money of the Russian elite"
        And if you look from this point of view, then a lot of things become clear.
  • 2112vda 13 November 2019 09: 32 New
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    I must admit that Lukashenko acts very sensibly without entering into an alliance with modern Russia, he remembers history, he does not need a “Trojan horse”.
    Unfortunately, it must be noted that in Russia now there is a whole herd of “Trojan horses” in power in the form of our “valiant government” and a thought with the Federation Council. The "herd" of the roofing felts has eliminated itself, the roofing felts themselves are members of this herd, and it doesn’t matter. A herd of "Trojan horses" rushes across Russia, trampling pastures, at the same time rustling, crap everywhere. But this is a common thing "the law of the cavalry", "shit and gallop." Some excessively brave citizens who tried to stop the herd get hooves in their forehead and teeth. There are three options for further developments:
    1. The people will continue to remain “patient”, then let them not be offended;
    2. A miracle will happen or the herd will feel the discontent of the people and rush off to the fat meadows abroad where they already have warm stalls, hay and oats are stocked. This is the best option;
    3. The people will be angry, chasing the herder, and the herd will be put on horseback sausage. This herd cannot be used for work, they have become fat and, in principle, it is not possible to travel around, and it is not necessary. This scenario will lead to a serious shake-up.
    So Lukashenko, for all his shortcomings, is doing the right thing and pragmatically, sorry for him in the green meadows of Belarus.
    1. Selevc 19 November 2019 11: 24 New
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      The people will continue to be "patient", then let not be offended;
      So you constantly say that people are people - and who listened to the voice of the people in 1991, when the Soviet people voted to preserve the USSR ??? Politicians of the 90s constantly spat on the opinion of their own peoples !!! Political villains of all stripes and levels are hiding behind and wiping people !!!
      How often in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus referendums are held ??? To at least listen to the opinion of these peoples themselves ??? The people know how to drive power under the bench - and moreover, does it regularly and everywhere !!!
  • vitvit123 13 November 2019 09: 57 New
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    Have you already bought MAZ, MZKT and MTZ?
    Or did you stop your PCM combine?
    Or some tractor in the Russian Federation resuscitated?

    And this is not important (because this is not enough high-tech products). It is important that this is terr. Education now exists at the expense of the Russian Federation. (sales market, loans, nuclear power plants, etc.) so if you unite, then ordinary people will definitely not live worse. And believe me, they will buy everything that is needed (if necessary), because the chieftain does not have a gold reserve, he has nowhere to go if they want to squeeze it.
  • Dmitry Gundorov 13 November 2019 10: 00 New
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    No State will be reported. Read what Belarusians write on forums and in a well-known social network. Belarusians had an example of LDNR and that brand created in Russia
  • To be or not to be 13 November 2019 10: 05 New
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    That the "Russian" oligarchs did not rob Belarus?

    Alexander Grigoryevich, are you ON? wink
  • Mikhail3 13 November 2019 10: 08 New
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    How did you manage to build the USSR? And the USA? At the center of everything is a simple answer. The governing structures of these conglomerates have shown their determination and, most importantly, their effectiveness. Under the leadership of the US federal government, this state has become a leader on the planet. Under the leadership of the Soviet governing structures, the USSR was second in this ranking table. It was visible globally, and it was visible locally, every day. The USSR did not give its citizens personal wealth, but for all people, absolutely, it provided such opportunities to break the wrong obsolete shackles that hindered development that for its existence, the citizens of the USSR won the worst war in the history of mankind.
    And what does joining Russia give? How is Russia governed? What success awaits those who join? What is better than the rest of our governing structure? Hehe ... What Russia is able to offer in the world in bulk. And the United States can do much more and this is much better organized. The championship among scum has already been won, and no one needs a second position in such a competition. There is a godfather, and all the rest are either terpils or sixes.
  • Alex66 13 November 2019 10: 39 New
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    We have capitalism, this is when a person is a man of the WOLF, in Belarus socialism, when a friend, comrade and brother. What could be the Union, the wolves will devour those who are brotherly to them. We do not have common ideas for what to unite. Only trouble can unite us when the wolves run into their dens abroad to lay down.
  • Avior 13 November 2019 10: 52 New
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    So, the Union State in Russian is a single confederate state, with a single leadership and all the attributes of the state. To put it even easier, Belarus will have to become another constituent entity of the Russian Federation with a special status. A sort of Finland in the Russian Empire.

    The author is disingenuous on a large scale, and by this he betrays himself. Or has a vague idea of ​​what the Treaty consists of.
    This phrase of his shows that the Kremlin does not really want to implement the Treaty on the Creation of the Union State.
    The union agreement provides for completely equal relations between Belarus and Russia.
    Article 3

    1. The Union State is based on the principles of sovereign equality of the participating States, voluntariness, and conscientious fulfillment of their mutual obligations.

    2. The Union State is based on the delimitation of objects of competence and authority between the Union State and the participating States ....
    Article 6

    1. Each State Party shall retain, taking into account the powers voluntarily transferred to the Union State, sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity, state structure. Constitution, state flag, coat of arms and other attributes of statehood.

    2. Member States retain their membership in the UN and other international organizations. The possibility of a single membership in international organizations and other international associations is determined by the participating states by mutual agreement.

    As you can see, nothing similar to that described by the author.
    http://www.soyuz.by/about/docs/dogovor5/
    It can be seen from real documents that Lukashenka is seeking to fulfill the signed agreements, Belarus is clearly profitable, Belarus has the right to veto at least any decisions.
    But the Kremlin does not really want to fulfill them.
    Of course, I understand the difference in the weight of Russia and Belarus, and the fact that such equality in this case looks strange, and I understand that no one in the Kremlin is interested in such equality because of the completely different scales of the states.
    But, one asks, why did they sign it, if this contradiction was obvious from the beginning !?
    Similarly with the economic sphere.
    Article 20

    Member States create a single economic space. In the Union State, there is a unified and then uniform legislation governing economic activity, including civil and tax legislation.

    It is further detailed that the enterprises of Belarus and Russia should be in exactly the same conditions.
    It is clear that this completely excludes any preferences of one of the parties, including in terms of energy resources.
    But the people close to the Kremlin don’t like this state of affairs. Why do they need proximity if they cannot use it? And in Belarus they are not averse to taking advantage of their Kremlin ties.
    Whatever Lukashenko would say, and he also has enough nonsense, he formally achieves just that — so that the conditions for the enterprises of Belarus and Russia are the same, as recorded in the Treaty.
    If this does not fit, then one more time asks why they signed it?
    It is necessary to directly state that this and this does not fit and the Union State will not exist in this form, and not be a hypocrite and not blame Lukashenko.
  • Ivan Brovkig 13 November 2019 11: 01 New
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    after the collapse of Kievan Rus into feudal principalities, Tatar spies traveled all of them and before the invasion reported to Khan Batu, the princes live there, like wolves bite among themselves and it will be very easy to conquer them ..... now they threaten the invasion to Kaliningrad, then to The Arctic is then flung to the whole country ... and some princes, hiding behind the American flag, wait for Russia to fall apart, others swear to eternal friendship, holding a stone in their bosoms ... history has not taught anything ... Ivanov, who do not remember of their kinship and ready to lick boots for the interventionist and conqueror for 30 Judaic silver men ...
  • EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 06 New
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    Because the Old Man is a new prince in ON. And all his talk about the "oligarchs" is just a cover, because he himself is the main oligarch, who has become a monarch on his plot of land. And the same Poroshenko is much closer to him.

    And yes, RB - now just a parasite. An incomprehensible bottomless hole, the same as Chechnya, but even Chechens, at least in height. armies serve.
  • Million 13 November 2019 11: 12 New
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    Probably each of us, if Lukashenko was in place, would not unite with Russia in its current form
    1. EvilLion 13 November 2019 11: 51 New
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      Oh, I immediately remembered a lingering fan fiction about a character from my profile picture. “If you are Nightmare Moon, then you’ll act like Nightmare Moon. Even if you don’t want to.” If you were in the place of Lukashenko, then you would be Lukashenko with all his interests in preserving personal power in a personal principality.
  • Mikhail Drabkin 13 November 2019 11: 16 New
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    Why in the 20 years a full-fledged Union State of Russia and Belarus did not appear

    —- Such is the truth of the moment: only a truly common danger, a direct and immediate threat .... can lead to unity, the Union State with an acceptable justification.

    —- At first, the general in the Soviet people was more powerful than the private in the republics. Republican elites were mobile in the Soviet and party dimensions, and sought and made their way, or "by acquaintance" - to the capital. This unconditionally acted in the BSSR and the USSR, and of course - the RSFSR ....
    —- The centripetal forces in them acted much stronger than centrifugal ones. We can talk about unity and a single elite in the three Slavic republics of the USSR. As state-forming peoples of the USSR.
    —- The catastrophe accentuated and fetishized the individual and personality. Everything is common, if you remember. ridiculed as reactionary ...
    —- Irreversibility of the catastrophe .... 1989 - the fall of the Wall is the moment of the need for the demarcation of the elites. And after the Bialowieza - a moment of inadmissibility of unity of the elites.

    —- For 30 years after the rampant catastrophe, the elites went in different directions, completely separated. And the current time is working against the unity of the elites, and therefore against the unity of peoples. The challenges to the Russian elite and the Belarusian elite are different and diverging.
    —- Kocharyan and Bobrov thought in general categories, and threats and achievements by them were understood coherently.
    —- Putin and Lukashenko (both guarantors to their elites), as we see, think in different categories. And Lukashenko accentuates .... bait to the West.
    —This is the truth of the moment: it is a long time outside Lukashenko and Putin, they are much closer to the general than the local elites .... Only a truly common danger, a direct and immediate threat .... can lead to unity, the Union State with an acceptable justification.
    1. Mikhail3 16 November 2019 16: 35 New
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      The namesake ... The cadavric structure of the USSR, introduced because Lenin talked so much about the "prison of peoples" (so that he would once again be given a hot skillet to lick), created the very problem of "national elites". Unfortunately, Stalin also played an important role here. He was able to masterfully quarrel with each other parts of this wild "elite" building, and he used it with might and main. But in order to do this, one must be a genius like him!
      In most "union republics" power was selected on a national basis, and absolutely nothing shone in the capital of this power. The only exceptions were the USSR and BSSR. All other "elites" were assigned to their places because their national associations (teips, etc.) at the time of their appointment were stronger and played out a more cunning intrigue.
      It was impossible to appoint a Chechen to somewhere in Tyumen, he absolutely didn’t understand the management! All the work was done by Russian, Belarusian or Ukrainian deputies and pomps. Some of the ministerial places where real work was needed at the moment were occupied by Russians, because the "national elites" did not even try to work. Their limit was, as now, simple theft and beging for money from the Moscow center. As they found more and more moves to the rapidly decrepit Moscow elite, the RSFSR deteriorated, giving up to the "fraternal peoples" everything to the penny, and on the periphery loafers were poured more and more unearned.
      Perestroika freed them from the "hated dictatorship" of Moscow, but they did not become smarter from this. The peoples of the "fraternal republics" live worse and worse, but now it is much more convenient to rob them. Local "elites" will never, for no reason, under any circumstances, voluntarily join the unification. Let all their peoples rest. They do not care, most importantly - THEIR accounts. And when united, Moscow sharks will devour some Turkmen or Kazakh “elitists” within six months. Why are they doing this?
      By uniting peoples, Russia gave local elites freedom and a place. “New” Russia cannot give such guarantees in principle, since the present “Moscow nation” does not have honor as a concept. Crawlers succeed in vile tricks, but they don’t have faith! And there is no place for new "elitists" either.
      Previously, the elites ruled the life of their peoples, defended them, organized, directed. And the current "elites" can only steal. Prince Bagration fought for Russia as a large (and as badly needed) military leader. Thousands of princes, leaders, nobles of peripheral nations became part of the management system of a single country. And now? Is there a shortage of thieves in Moscow? Thieves are distinguished by the fact that one of them can be replaced by any of the millions of others. There is no difference whatsoever. Both Golikova and some Ukutikova can carry out some kind of optimization with the same result, the result will be exactly the same. Why give a place to "newcomers"?
      There will be no "union state". Nobody needs it, except for the "population". And our elders don't care about him a long time ago ...
  • Sapsan136 13 November 2019 12: 20 New
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    Because all the countries of the former USSR built their independence on Russophobia and Lukashenko is no exception ... Lukashenko is a typical post-Soviet tsar-parasite who wants to live at the expense of Russia and to spoil her
  • evgen1221 13 November 2019 12: 49 New
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    Why is there no unification of countries and what is stopping me? Yes, the mentality of the hapka and the small-prince prince (in my garden I myself am a king and a god). There is no desire to seriously implement this, and the roasted cock does not bite yet.
  • Anatoly 288 13 November 2019 13: 29 New
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    Stop biting your nails! There would be a desire and political will, the issue would be resolved within a week! And so, this is all cognitive dissonance
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2019 14: 55 New
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    Perhaps it’s not in the “elite and the elite,” Let's reason soberly. For all the time that has passed since the collapse of the Union, we have become different. Different nations and different countries. Different youth and different economies. The only thing that unites us is a common history, the Second World War. And a low bow to the Belarusians and the leadership of the Republic of Belarus, that they did not betray our common history, did not betray the memory of our fathers and grandfathers, unlike most Ukrainian brothers, Well, time has shown what the fraternal peoples are capable of. But as regards the Union State, this question should be very deliberate, balanced. Even our so-called “elites” must think it over well — do they need Belarusians with their ,, Bentley’s, and how do they feel about these, “elite” citizens .. Yes, and Belarusians need to weigh everything and decide- Are they ready for all new changes, from the economy to the moral ... All this is complicated. One must be wise, both to the people and the government.
  • Alexga 13 November 2019 15: 42 New
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    "So, the Union State in Russian is a single confederate state, with a single leadership and all the attributes of the state. To put it even more simply, Belarus will have to become another subject of the Russian Federation with a special status. A sort of Finland in the Russian Empire."
    Author, this is how ??? Is federation and confederation the same thing? Therefore, most likely, consideration of the issues of the structure of the SG is rather strange. But it is interesting to read. Everyone has the right to their opinion.
  • IS-80_RVGK2 13 November 2019 19: 17 New
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    Author, the reasons are clear and lie on the surface. The interests of the Belarusian capitalists do not coincide with the interests of the Russian. And there is nothing to philosophize crafty.
  • VeteranVSSSR 13 November 2019 19: 22 New
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    Are you asking me? In the 1991 year, everyone was told that your country was no longer there, someone objected. So it’s better to ask yourself how the Minsk grandmothers will react when they see the new Russian pensions, they will tear apart all the opponents of the Minsk region in the Russian Federation in advance.

    In general, I believe that Russia has every right to the entire territory of the USSR, without any republics or anything else. All the Russian language, all to the Russian army, all Russian salaries and pensions, from all the same demand as from the Russians. And then they got used to live at the expense of the Russians.

    Okay ... I'll give you a parabellum ...
  • vitvit123 13 November 2019 20: 11 New
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    Quote: www3
    how the Russians go to work in Belarus)) -https: //finance.tut.by/news653068.html

    Yes, even if they go, there is Russian money ..... but Belarusian in Russia ... and the statistics of Russians traveling take into account those who are going to build nuclear power plants for you with Russian money?
  • Valery Nikolayevich 13 November 2019 20: 23 New
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    As long as Putin and his "dear friends" are in power in Russia, there will be no union state! Yes, it is not necessary. If the Belarusians were stupid and agreed to a real state, Belarus would no longer be there. There would be a “subject” of the Russian Federation, not a completely federal state.
  • Sergey Obraztsov 14 November 2019 00: 12 New
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    In fact, everything is simple and complex at the same time. The Union essentially implies the union of two equal (in this case) political and economic forces of the parties. But with all due respect to the Belarusians, their country does not make any comparisons with Russia in these parameters. Accordingly, in any situation, under any conditions on paper, this will be an absorption. And naturally, Belarusian elites will resist this to the last. There is nothing wrong or unnatural in this. This is the structure of this world and the human thirst for power. From this follows the desire of a “gentle calf” to suck from two queens. And to continue to be friends with Russia, getting various "buns", and to flirt with the West, balancing the scales in the hope, again, to get preferences from them.
    Ukraine itself could feel very comfortable today with such a policy. And she would have succeeded. But there was not enough endurance and modesty in the upbringing of the new generation of "patriots of their country", which eventually turned into extreme right-wing nationalists.
    1. Trifon 14 November 2019 14: 54 New
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      In fact, the Union State is an association of states with equal rights.
      And no political or economic weight of the parties matters. By the way, remove energy and it will be difficult to say about the superiority of the industrial potential of the Russian Federation over Belarus. By the way, if in the 90s the Russian authorities really decided to unite as planned, it is quite possible that then the president of a real Union state
      became comrade Lukashenko. And GDP is, at best, the mayor of Peter.
      Today, Belarusians think not about a federation, but about a confederation, and it is on these conditions that they are ready to unite. By delegating to the center the right to military defense, financially monetary policy and general economic development with a partial delegation of rights to international politics, leaving behind a political and economic structure, in other words putting a barrier to the expansion of our oligarchy. Actually something like the USA.
      I think that it is precisely to look at the union of states and the readiness for such a union that is necessary through the prism of profitability or non-profitability of one of the high contracting parties.
      In the 90s, the association was beneficial for Belarusians, today it is beneficial for us. And each pursues its own interests, whether they are selfish or not is another issue.
  • Vikxnumx 14 November 2019 08: 31 New
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    And what did the gentlemen of the patriots dislike in the comments about the plants ???
    Refusal to sell Belarusian?
    Or maybe the collapse of the Russian? Do you know the fate of the Krasnoyarsk combine?
    Yes, the harvester PCM is not closed, but for now, production has simply stopped!
    So in the USA and Canada, the factories of the company PCM in Russia do not now produce equipment.
    And the reason is simple - buyers have no money!
    The Russian government removed subsidies to agricultural producers (not all) and gave money to banks "to help agriculture." How are banks used to helping us?
  • bairat 14 November 2019 09: 58 New
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    They did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
    "The incident with the detention in Minsk of Anna Bogacheva, who fell under US sanctions in the case of" interference "in the election, can be regarded as betrayal by Belarus. This was stated to RIA Novosti by a member of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Viktor Vodolatsky."
    Upon request, Carl! Can you imagine a situation that, for example, in Germany, at our request, a US citizen will be arrested?
    So here we are allies.
    1. Trifon 14 November 2019 15: 14 New
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      Not at the request of the US but interpol.
      No need to be fooled.
      By the way, what do you not resent when our courts extradite people who participated in the defense of Donbass to Ukraine, knowingly sending them to death? Do you think this incident is not a violation of rights and freedoms? And then, the manner of diverting attention from internal problems, for example, the struggle for the freedom of one or another of our representatives, such as, for example, Butina, is interesting. It’s clear to the horse that she is not involved in any espionage activities, but I think that they didn’t give her horns in the USA for this activity either.
      And about Germany, they can arrest them at the request of the interpol, but they are unlikely to give us away.
      In Europe, both our runaway oligarchs and thieves are not really given out, if there is such a request,
      especially from England. And it seems that the point is not so much in politics as in money. By the way, the United States does not bother extradition, kidnap and export without any permission.
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    Friendship and even cooperation is always based on mutual interest. Both quickly pass when interest turns into one-sided. Give, give and give ... What is happening.
    As for the Union State.
    The integration of Belarus and Russia is insurmountably hindered by the different interpretation of the very concept of the term "STATE".
    The Russians understand it, like the entire educated world, as politically, economically, militarily and in other areas THE ONE WHOLE construction of state structures!
    The Belarusian state structure, including the President and the Government, interprets the concept of the “Union State” (SG) as the “Union” of states. And above all, and only (!!!) in the economic (!) Zone. Moreover, they are looking for a unilateral (!) Benefit.
    With the Belarusian interpretation, the conclusion of the Treaty is sufficient. However, both at the state level, and between enterprises, firms, etc. for specific trade relations.
    With this approach, SG does not happen ...