The parliament proposed to return the previous retirement age for the Far East

An idea was born in parliament about how to turn the tide with a decrease in the population of the Far Eastern regions. Today, the Far Eastern Federal District is the most sparsely populated among all the federal districts of the country. In the vast territories, only about 8 million people live. At the same time, the population of the Far Eastern Federal District continues to decline; many simply change their place of residence, moving to other districts of Russia. There are many reasons: economic and transport are among the main ones.

To change the situation, the State Duma proposes to return the old retirement age for the Far Eastern Federal District: 60 years for men and 55 years for women.

About this newspaper writes "News"referring to the chairman of the parliamentary committee on regional politics and the problems of the North and the Far East Nikolai Kharitonov.

According to Kharitonov, the Far East is a special territory with severe climatic conditions. The parliamentarian notes that for Russians living in the Far East it is necessary to introduce some privileges. One of these “privileges” could be the option of retirement according to the past age system.

Nikolai Kharitonov notes that after the pension reform, the outflow of the population from the Far East has increased significantly. People lose confidence that in harsh conditions they will be able to refine to new age levels that allow them to retire “in old age”.

Comments

[Boris Nevzorov]

... Clowns, return the previous retirement age for all residents of Russia!
Return the disability that was removed from the disabled to patients!

[Uncle lee]

60 years for men and 55 years for women.

Actually, on Sakhalin there was a retirement at 55/50. The navy still five years earlier .....

[olhon]

Yes Yes. Give us back 55/50 But seriously, they won’t return nifiga. To nobody.

[Trotil42]

A provocation in order to divide the people according to geography ...I am from Siberia ... and the Far East minus 60 sniffed? And that Siberia is not dying out?

[kjhg]

Quote: Trotil42

And that Siberia is not dying out?

And Siberia is dying, and the North is dying, and even Central Russia is dying. The thing is different. From the Far East, people are leaving for other regions of Russia. If in the central part of Russia, where people also move to large cities, especially Moscow and St. Petersburg, this is not so noticeable, then in the Far East it is very seriously noticeable.

[Trotil42]

Until I saw the dying Moscow .. Crimea ... Krasnodar .. Chechenov ..

[Vladimir16]

Experiment in Moscow, gentlemen, Duma assessors.
They created a separate state for themselves, Moscow, and put experiments on yourself.

At first they (the rulers) trynd all over the world as well in Moscow, and their pay is higher and their pensions higher. Higher at times !!! than in other regions of the country.
And world-class infrastructure. And holidays and fireworks and other amusements.
Brick houses are demolished in order to build new ones. Salvage nowhere to go.
And this at a time when in other regions of the house (wooden) water washes away !!!

Youth looks, compares and brings down Moscow.

And now they (the rulers) thought, why?

Turn on the brain !!!

Leave the rest of Russia alone.
Let live, even without constant change.
We do not expect changes, we wish stability.

The experimenters got it.

And return the retirement age to ALL.

Give men LIVE retired !!!

[kjhg]

Quote: Vladimir16

We do not expect changes, we wish stability.

This stability is more like guaranteed poverty and doom for the vast majority of the population, with the unprecedented theft of the ruling elite.
And now it’s not stability at all, but degradation, poverty and endless lies about stability.

[Spartanez300]

Than the rest of the people of Russia are not worthy of this or did not come out with mugs. Which one ... didn’t even think of raising the retirement age. Already at 40 - 50 they do not take to work, but about 60 there is nothing to say.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Spartanez300

What a bad person even came up with to raise the retirement age. Already at 40 - 50 they do not take to work, but about 60 and there is nothing to say

I don’t know who invented it, but I know who signed it and I ask you to treat this with understanding.

[Stas157]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Spartanez300

What a bad person did come up with raise retirement age

I don’t know who inventedbut I know who signed

I don’t know how it happened, but I know who vowed not to raise the retirement age, at least while he is president.

Then this did not cause any doubts. They believed then, they believe now. After all, there is no one to trust in our vast country! Is not it?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Stroporez

treat this with understanding.

This phrase has already become a meme!
They raised my subscription fee for the phone by 150 rubles and at the end signed: Treat this with understanding!

[Sling cutter]

Quote from Uncle Lee

This phrase has already become a meme!

Our managers are able to cast granite

Quote from Uncle Lee

They raised my subscription fee for the phone by 150 rubles and at the end signed: Treat this with understanding!

Wait, soon something else will be put under the tree, such as raising tariffs, taxes and other "amenities".

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Stroporez

and other "amenities".

They don’t index my pension ... Prices and gasoline are getting more expensive, but housing and communal services are like a New Year's gift to us ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote from Uncle Lee

They don’t index my pension ... Prices and gasoline are getting more expensive, but housing and communal services are like a New Year's gift to us ...

Dear colleague, don’t rock the yachts, we have a falling growth, stable stabilizer, staples, megatons of oak bark and ohrinillion of fallen leaves barrels

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Stroporez

bark of oak

You forgot about picking mushrooms and berries under license!

[Sling cutter]

Quote from Uncle Lee

You forgot about picking mushrooms and berries under license!

To mushrooms and berries, you also need to add a tax on a summer residence and a hotbed, compulsory home insurance, well, and as the top of the tops of lawmaking, CHEBURNET! And I want, as in Singapore

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Stroporez

summer clos tax

And fines for your planting material .....

[hydrox]

Quote: Spartanez300

Than the rest of the people of Russia are not worthy of this or did not come out with mugs. Which one ... didn’t even think of raising the retirement age. Already at 40 - 50 they do not take to work, but about 60 there is nothing to say.

No matter what the initiator is (of itself from the authorities!) He was already late - the cannibalistic pension reform will lead to such poverty that the people of life in such bestial conditions can not endure, but liberoids need blood to indicate their place to the electorate.

[Metlik]

"Experiment in Moscow, gentlemen of the Duma assessors."
These experiments are being invented in Washington, and not in Moscow.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: kjhg

And Siberia is dying, and the North is dying, and even Central Russia is dying.

The whole country is dying out and even migration is no longer leveling statistics. If you count from the 93rd year, it turns out that we lost about 20 million people, and this is offhand, i.e. We are 120-125 million people, although in 2011 a huge scandal erupted. Young girl Ekaterina Ulitina, who was then an employee of the Central Analytical Center of the registry office, told the whole world that According to civil registry data as of June 1, 2010 in the Russian Federation according to documents of the living population there were 89 million 654 thousand 325 people. The government is aware of this, as each quarter records CAC reports, but in reality it publishes completely different figures. After Catherine Ulitina revealed to all these terrible facts about the real number of living Russians, she was immediately fired from the Central Analytical Center of the registry office.
By the way, the census of the 10th year is under the "stamp" and just after this census began a massive influx of migrants.

[Xnumx vis]

Power is oppressive, the law is just a mask,
Taxes stifle unbearable.
No one rich pointer
And you will not find rights among the poor.
Pretty state right,
Hear the Equality Testament:
From now on, we have only the right,
Equals have no laws. It’s enough to give us a dope!
Goodbye military drill!
To the peoples - peace, war - to tyrants!
Strike, soldier, time to go.
When will the cannibals be ordered
We all heroically kill -
Then according to our generals
Fly your own bullets! -----

[snake]

Quote: kjhg

And Siberia is dying, and the North is dying, and even Central Russia is dying.

It's only the beginning...
https://www.mk.ru/social/2019/11/07/k-2024-godu-ubyl-naseleniya-rossii-stanet-kolossalnoy.html
And here's another "great" news:
https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/11/06/v-gosdumu-vnesut-proekt-ob-uproshhennom-poluchenii-grazhdanstva.html
Soon citizenship of the Russian Federation can be obtained without abandoning previous citizenship. They turned Russia into a landfill of uranium, and not only waste ...

[Amin_vivec]

People are leaving the Komi Republic, Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and the Murmansk Region. Vorkuta will soon become a ghost town. To return - so to return to all northerners, or at least regionally - polar and subpolar territories. For us, too - 60 degrees is not a curiosity. We do not see solar light for 3-4 months. Summer is the month of the year.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Amin_Vivec

People are leaving the Komi Republic, Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and the Murmansk Region. Vorkuta will soon become a ghost town.

My friends live in Vorkuta, they can’t even go to the middle lane, they don’t have the means, but you can’t sell housing there, you don’t need anyone. So they, like you, are hostages of the system.

[Amin_vivec]

Open on Avito - buy an apartment in Vorkuta, these apartments are sold furnished with appliances, prices ... - almost for nothing .... only nobody needs ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Amin_Vivec

Open on Avito - buy an apartment in Vorkuta, these apartments are sold furnished with appliances, prices ... - almost for nothing .... only nobody needs ...

When I say to fools that Russia is dying out, the territories are deserted by the Far East, Siberia, about the north, and I generally keep quiet, the Urals and even the Central Federal District, they scream that this is not true. And I immediately want to take what thread of the maskvastan or St. Petersburg scribbler and weave with a nose into the Russian castle, weave heavily, poke, as taught.

[Amin_vivec]

Russia is dying, and St. Petersburg is growing, production is being taken out of there, factories are being shut down - and they are getting richer and richer ...

[Igorpl]

So far, but they want to cancel.

[Svarog]

Quote: Boris Nevzorov

... Clowns, return the previous retirement age for all residents of Russia!
Return the disability that was removed from the disabled to patients!

That's when people take to the streets, like 5 or 10 million, then everything will be returned right away ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote:

To change the situation, the State Duma proposes to return the old retirement age for the Far Eastern Federal District: 60 years for men and 55 years for women.

Correct replica:

Quote: Svarog

That's when people take to the streets, like 5 or 10 million, then everything will be returned right away ..

And then there is the problem of remoteness and isolation from Moscow - apparently the laws need to be changed so that the regions share their profits with Moscow in the same way as they used to pay "tithe". It is possible to organize direct flights to all the nearest countries of the world from each regional center, and not only through Moscow. Apparently, industry should be revived and people should be given conditions for education and normal health care ...
By the way, there is also the North ...
But most importantly, it is a good kick to the deputies of the State Duma and the "bright prospect" of their own retirement, without parliamentary allowances, without parliamentary benefits. Stop feeding this semblance of legislative power, in fact - a branch of power ruled by oligarchs.

[carstorm 11]

will you ever suffer for your tongue. by God it’s not a threat but good advice.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

will you ever suffer for your tongue. by God it’s not a threat but good advice

That is, the guy writes everything right! And people support him. And such "well-wishers" like you will only have to squeeze out hidden threats from their underheads, clothe them in the form of benevolence.

[carstorm 11]

this is called not breaking the law. you want, your business. You can write and say whatever your heart desires. but I believe that such things should be paid attention to and punished. I am not good-natured and not threatening. There are special services for this. if you think that breaking the laws is normal then good luck.

[UserGun]

Quote: carstorm 11

this is called not breaking the law. you want, your business. You can write and say whatever your heart desires. but I believe that such things should be paid attention to and punished. I am not good-natured and not threatening. There are special services for this. if you think that breaking the laws is normal then good luck

And if the law tells you to walk naked, will you do so?

[Guards turn]

Would you like to be like in Bolivia? True, they did not find a golden loaf and a toilet in Evo Morales' house, but Trump has already been praised by the Bolivians for the victorious "democracy" ... his departure "preserves democracy in the country." Trump added that the United States admired the people of Bolivia for "demanding freedom." The head of the White House noted that the resignation of Morales is a signal for Nicaragua and Venezuela.

[New Year day]

Quote: Guards turn

Would you like to like in Bolivia?

Your idol talked about Ukraine. Change plate

[Guards turn]

And where does your ukroin? the IMF forbade you to strain and work hard on the economy. Only shrink and shrink.

[New Year day]

Quote: Guards turn

And where does your ukroin?

Quote: Guards turn

the IMF forbade you to strain and work hard on the economy. Only shrink and shrink.

Are you talking about Russia? It’s strange to hear such words

[Guards turn]

George Soros in an interview with Gardian said that of all his projects, he is most proud of the progress made in Ukraine, that is, Soros publicly confirmed that his project was Maidan, and not some kind of independence.

[New Year day]

Quote: Guards turn

George Soros in an interview with Gardian said that of all his projects, he is most proud of the progress made in Ukraine, that is, Soros publicly confirmed that his project was Maidan, and not some kind of independence.

and I from which side to Soros and to Ukraine?

[Guards turn]

The Soros Foundation finances worldwide non-profit organizations whose activities are aimed at the collapse of states and traditional values ​​and the promotion of aggressive liberalism at all costs.

[New Year day]

Quote: Guards turn

Soros Foundation finances non-profit organizations worldwide whose activities are aimed at the collapse of states

so, what is next...?

[Guards turn]

And then ... the destruction of countries, Ukraine is the most successful project.

[Van 16]

Yes, which of them are clowns? From good clowns the mood rises, but from these negative one. Enemies of the people are they.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Made for men 65 years old, who will survive with our chemical nutrition, dirty water and terrible free hospitals!?

[Vend]

Quote: Boris Nevzorov

... Clowns, return the previous retirement age for all residents of Russia!
Return the disability that was removed from the disabled to patients!

It will probably be so. The calculations did not materialize.

[Paul Siebert]

The next president of the Russian Federation in 2024 will be a candidate to head his election campaign with the slogan: "Immediately return the previous retirement age to Russian citizens!"

[Qwertyarion]

Why open cards, it’s not interesting, the surprise should be unexpected

[rocket757]

It is not necessary to allocate territories to some kind of especially patronized enclaves, but to create NORMAL living conditions for people. At least EVERYWHERE, where possible!
And then we have a special capital-private enclave to the detriment of the rest of the country ....
The Far East is no worse than many more of our territories, just as the capital is not much better, deserved than everyone else!
In short, you need to think carefully, and not clatter your tongue for nothing!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

And then we have a special capital-private enclave to the detriment of the rest of the country ....

And then we have a special capital-enclave enclave, FAT to the detriment of the rest of the country ...AND LIVING BECAUSE OF BEATING REGIONS TO THE LAST KOPEY

[rocket757]

Quote: ROSS 42

And then we have the capital of a special-enclave enclave, fattening to the detriment of the rest of the country ... and living at the expense of beating regions until the last penny

This, of course, is not something special that is not found anywhere else ... and wherever some reasonable rules and restrictions are not observed, people who do not live in "special" territories are indignant.
Even for the USSR it was, de facto. It’s just that now it’s sticking out so much for show !!! Therefore, the indignation of people over the edge ... but in fact, nothing will change.
The "squeak" of individual people, even territories with many people, is never heard above!
And a loud roar that can turn even the deaf-deaf to shiver, we, individually, will never succeed!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

Even for the USSR it was, de facto.

In the USSR, de facto was the provision of the capital with food and goods to the detriment of the regions (especially nearby), but there never was NEVER!!! so that pensioners-Muscovites make allowances for pensions or establish salaries of state employees higher FACTOR OF!!! than in the regions.
And, believe me, the lack of goods in Russian stores was due to the fact that the goods needed (in demand) in the RSFSR Stupid !!! went to the republic, where (like in Vyborg, for example, or some Frunze) you could buy a fur coat, and in Siberia at that time they sold skullcaps and panama.
I had a workmate Mikhail Cherkasov, (from the Kuril Islands, if memory serves) - I would not say that he was very upset that his parents lived and worked there ... And I went to them on vacation and was very pleased.
He himself completed an internship in Primorye. For a week we "grubbed" at a relative of one of our colleagues (Vladivostok). Back then, people were not upset about living in the Far East and were joyful and welcoming.
And now people are outraged only by the fact that they have been abandoned by the state to the mercy of fate ... The question is, why such a state that is more interested in the fate of African blacks and African Americans in the United States than in the fate of regions that are openly "dying" from lack of money and unemployment.

[rocket757]

Quote: ROSS 42

In the USSR, the de facto provision of the capital with food and goods was to the detriment of the regions (especially the nearby ones), but there was never Nothing!

There was a gradation of pensioners, the length of service was different, but this was not so noticeable and was not connected with the separation of territories. However, officials then loved themselves very much, but not so brazenly. Party control, it was not a joke and vigil in all directions, in all respects.
About supply .... and it was different, in capitals, in republics, and the categorization of cities played a role.
I traveled the whole country, from the end of the 70s to those dashing ones. The imbalance was ... but not as catastrophic as it is now .....
It is clear who has money, he can work out everywhere, only with the people the money is not ah, very many.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

It’s clear, whoever has the money, he can work well everywhere, only with the people’s money is not ah, very many.

When I read this, in my head the phrase itself builds up:
We used to be the poor not very rich, and then they also robbed us ...

[cosmonaut]

it’s bad that you don’t have Stalin. but another time will come, people will come and take everything from you

[Black_Vatnik]

Almost everything that people come to take away, by then it will have long been transported abroad)

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

That’s right, but in Siberia and in the North the situation is not better, then it can be better done all over the country. And for those citizens who want and have places to work in retirement, let them continue to do so.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

This is right, but in Siberia and in the North the situation is no better, then it can be better done all over the country.

You just need to restore what was in the USSR - price zones:

Depending on this, there were salaries and premiums for savagery. If in Moscow a nurse in a polyclinic (treatment room) received 69 rubles, then in Kemerovo - 86 rubles ... Therefore, in Moscow they did not "fatten" much and pensions were not indexed there at the all-Russian expense ...

[Potato]

That's why Soviet power in Moscow fell apart) not in Kemerovo)))

And now this will not happen - now everything is the opposite

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

If in Moscow a nurse in a polyclinic (treatment room) received 69 rubles, then in Kemerovo - 86 rubles ... Therefore, in Moscow they did not "fatten" much and pensions were not indexed there at the all-Russian expense ...

That was right, from here the influx of population was also played after distribution.
ROSS 42 (42 region), and now these procedures will no longer help, for example, taking Chukotka or the North there salaries are several times greater than in the West of the country, and living conditions are much better (it’s easier to buy an apartment), but people still don’t go there live.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

but people still don’t go there in large numbers to live.

The north is not a priori adapted for mass living. In the USSR, they tried to solve this issue in another way. A living (working) person in the North had a service (departmental, temporary) apartment (housing) and a permanent one in the middle lane (south). Salaries were such that when working for 10-15 years, you could buy an apartment (build a house) in almost any region (with the exception of cities of national importance). That is how the population of the regions was formed.
In places tolerable by climatic standards, people settled on a permanent basis. But you must admit, to remain living in the regions (without the opportunity to buy (grow in your own garden)) food is extremely problematic. This is what happened with the destruction of the supply system of these places in the 90s of the Yeltsin revolution. Abandoned settlements, abandoned enterprises, neglected communal services, healthcare, education - the main reasons that:

people still don’t go there to live in large numbers ...

PS Murmansk region at the same latitudes, though the climate and nature are better there ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Abandoned settlements, abandoned enterprises, neglected public utilities, healthcare, education - the main reasons that:
people still don’t go there to live in large numbers ...

Everything is clear with this, but hospitals, schools and many other enterprises that need specialists are still left in these regions. And at the same time, the salary is the same as in the West of the country, and somewhere even higher. But people still do not stay there to live and work in these jobs, but go to the West. And at the same time, if after studying, they remain there to live, they are also given a million for an apartment. Despite all the pluses, people still leave, and there is no mass flow to their place, they constantly need personnel, and at the same time, there are more advantages than living in the West of the country (you can immediately buy an apartment, give a hectare of land for free and much more).

PS Murmansk region at the same latitudes, though the climate and nature are better there ...

They go to Murmansk because he is in the West of the country, if he had been in Siberia or the Far East, no one would have gone there.

[Potato]

And voice these teachers' salaries, which are higher than in the west of the country? You are mistaken at the expense of salaries

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

And voice these teachers' salaries,

How can I voice them to you if this is CONFIDENTIAL information. You do not write anywhere that you did not smoke or drink something legally? This is your personal confidential information, if you are interested, go to the website of the labor exchange and there is a price tag there. This is the first.
Secondly, I didn’t write that they are higher, I wrote about: A SOMEWHERE SALARIES AND ABOVE. This does not mean that it’s teachers, it can also be sawmills or teachers of private schools.

[Potato]

About the secret of salaries - look "Adam spoils everything: the secrets of salaries"))) and where does it have legal and illegal? You are stirring up something, comrade! Personally, I have never been involved in illegal things) and you have not been able to voice and give examples of the salaries of teachers and doctors higher than in the west of the country!

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

but you still couldn’t voice and give examples of teachers and doctors' salaries higher than in the west of the country!

Why should I bring them? I do not do statistics.

[VALERIK_097]

ROSS 42 (42 region) Today, 09: 33P.S. The Murmansk region is at the same latitudes, although the climate and nature are better there ...
Oh well, I didn’t know. Open a geographic map and spend 69 fingers on a parallel, do you find many cities?
Gremikha (ZATO Ostrovnoy) is the ultimate dream, with its wonderful microclimate and picturesque nature.
R.S. will begin to darken in two hours.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Oh well, I didn’t. Open a geographical map

Why should I open it?
Murmansk region, pos. Pechenga (1985 - 1996)
See where Chukotka is and where the Gulf Stream ends. That is why in the Murmansk region on the same parallels with Chukotka it is somewhat warmer ...

[VALERIK_097]

In Norwegian Finnmark this month a record -31 degrees was recorded.
According to the local NRK, the previous record was recorded in Troms on November 30, 1988. Then the air temperature was -29 degrees.
In addition, Norwegian weather forecasters note that by the end of this week in Norway the temperature will still drop.
More details: https://severpost.ru/read/86669/
Well, than Pevek with its population of 5 thousand people. Murmash almost reached -29. And you are the Gulf Stream. (North Atlantic Current). Over the past 20 years, the climate has changed significantly.

[hydrox]

But they don’t come to live for a very simple reason: the authorities have already been disgraced many times with the possible return of the Kuril Yupps and the people are not at all sure that Siberia and the Far East will be under Russian rule - even today's power (not Russian at all!) May be better than Japanese or Chinese - this power does not give either stability or confidence in the future ... - our opinion is violet only for our authorities - that’s why it is silent about the prospects of life in Siberia and the Far East, which is not sure of its strengths and capabilities.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

But they don’t come to live for a very simple reason: the authorities have already been disgraced many times with the possible return of the Kuril Yupps and the people are not at all sure that Siberia and the Far East will be under Russian power - even today's power (not Russian at all!)

And in the West, the same thing, but it’s not strange, people go to live in large numbers.

people are not at all sure that Siberia and the Far East will be under Russian rule

When and where did these population polls carry out so they said this? They always said and say the opposite.

[Chaldon48]

The carrot and stick method in action.

[Basarev]

Yes, Dalny needs to be reduced even less - like warriors, to 40. And prices should be equalized, reducing the proportion of "income-cost of living" at least to the Moscow level ... In general, in an amicable way, one should pay extra simply for the fact of living there. No one voluntarily lives in the Far East. Most are simply locked up there, not even having money for a ticket from those frozen lands.

[Trotil42]

But the Siberians do not need? Have you minus 60 sniffed at yourself? And what do we have crazy income? A miner in Kuzbass 50 thousand is very good ... at the same time ... it will fill up in the mine .. it will explode ..

[Potato]

A teacher in Moscow - 60 thousand))) and you stay there. Good luck, health!

[hydrox]

And this is because the teacher on the Garden Ring at hand is much more dangerous for the authorities than thousands of machine builders, miners and metallurgists far, far in Siberia and the Far East.
You can put RosGuard against hard workers, and there is no one to put against the teacher under the lens of the Western media

[Basarev]

And the Siberians are similar. You correctly caught the idea: all of Russia is needed. But this means the loss of special status by Moscow, the center of life in the country, and Muscovites will never agree to this.

[vadimtt]

Muscovites will not go? And who are the Muscovites here? Putin with Medvedev and Sobyanin chtol?
Let them make the capital in St. Petersburg. Otherwise, it’s impossible to get past the “best representatives of the regions, who have come in large numbers,” and it turns out that any Muscovite is guilty that Russia is starving outside the Moscow Ring Road, ugh.

[Potato]

The Muscovite is already guilty of the fact that in spite of the impoverished Russia, everything suits him. And even the flow of migrants suits. I’ll hide the hut of a real Muscovite - that is, in the center of the Motherland, in its capital, Moscow

[Far East]

yes, smelled! (it will fill up in the mine .. it will explode ..) why are they measured by the genital organ! heard about the sailors !? nine months flight, 12 through 8 shift (factory) so, you still have to eat, go to the bathhouse, chat and play cards, out of these 8 hours of rest, 4-6 hours are left for rest! there are (storm fires and all sorts of emergencies. very hard work is associated with risk! not to mention crab-catchers, shrimp-breakers! where you fall in the "alifinka" RAW in the longitudinal direction, and fall asleep while you "run" until the next shipment! how do you like such LIFE!

[Trotil42]

Hide your child-bearing organ ... I didn’t write about this at all ... but what do Ural people living with radioactive tailings have no right to reduce their retirement age? Or residents of the most environmentally dirty cities? Basically, Siberia ... the city of Kiselevsk (Kuzbass) even turned to the Canadian Prime Minister to provide political asylum ... snow gray is impossible to live .. and breathe ... the fact is that people are trying to share handouts .. or do you think the minimum pension is right in Kuzbass in the amount of 12.500 rubles. and in Moscow 19.500r?

[Far East]

this is whose opus (you minus 60 sniffed at yourself? And what do we have crazy incomes? A miner in Kuzbass 50 thousand is very good ... at the same time ... it will fill up in the mine .. it will explode ..) do not write, sho only you have frosts! and how hard it is for the miners to work! I gave an example of the work of a Russian sailor! I am generally silent about radiation, there are maps on the Internet where the dumps of radioactive waste are located. The Tatar Strait is no exception! so lives the majority of the population of Russia! (Hide your genital organ.) Appreciated! cleverly! (even turned to the Prime Minister of Canada to provide political asylum ..) good luck!

[carstorm 11]

C'mon?))) you are in Vlad or Khabaru get stuck. from the number of Kruzak and Lexus head ache) the weather yesterday it rained for example) DV is also different

[Potato]

So in Moscow, Lexus mixed with homeless people and Gaster. Life is always contrasting. And we have rains and damp

[Far B]

Japan is near. How many of these used cars that are sometimes cheaper than the domestic auto industry? And how many were brought in half?

[carstorm 11]

have you been in the markets for a long time?) Yes, 80 percent are frank soap dishes because customs clearance is cheaper))) the halves are no longer relevant since you put out her figs) I know a couple of places in Vlad where they have been rotting for dozens of years, it’s the same way to circumvent laws but they were closed as 5 ecu for example at 90-00)

[Far B]

You are talking about the situation in the markets, although you started talking about the situation on the roads. These are two different situations. They stand on the markets - this is not an indicator at all. My son-in-law occasionally drags cars from Japan. And sometimes not the most expensive brands can not be sold for six months or a year. This is a situation on the market. And the designers, floaters, beating and so on. That was brought in at the time on the cheap and brought to mind already here, is quite running around on the roads - this is precisely the situation on the roads.

[Mountain shooter]

It was utter stupidity to change the retirement age. With a simultaneous budget surplus ... IMHO, they will gradually "correct" the mistake made, here and there, then by territory, then by profession ... The obvious stupidity must be corrected ...

[Sergei 23]

Everything will be corrected by transferring power to ,, own hands ,,. I think so.

[hydrox]

Don't be fancy: since 2012, the power has been in "its own hands," but these are not the hands of the people.

[DEDPIHTO]

The budget surplus is being blown away for emergency plugging of holes and the construction of Potemkin villages (national projects and propaganda) for the electorate for the presidential election, they will give them something to the social network. It is said the same sunshine that, they’ll drive away from paternalism,

[hydrox]

Paternalism as a symbol of a social state for the nation of the state for liberoids is just as hateful as the Stalin meme.

[Far B]

Something in that parliament, no matter how many ideas were born, and the population with the Far East flows out a full-flowing river. Anyway, the idea that the parliament gives birth does not somehow inspire confidence. Maybe it's in parliament?

[hydrox]

Are you reassuring yourself?
Do not do this :: You know perfectly well who and what is wrong with the Russian authorities ...

[carstorm 11]

I don’t know what the parliament has to do with it, but all my acquaintances that people were leaving pretty well in life and they are just bored to stupidity there. outgrown these places. stopped in development. here they really move the business and leave it for their own pleasure in the west. you just have to admit that the province cannot give young pretty people what they need right now. Vlad saves. there, nevertheless, the rhythm of life is slightly different and the weekend there is charged for a month.

[Far B]

So I, too, FIG knows, what does the parliament and your friends, leaving for the West. What the fuck outgrew these places? Always, in any period of human history, undeveloped territories gave more chances to prove themselves, especially to enterprising people, which, according to your words, are your acquaintances. But - they are leaving, despite the fact that the Far East is undeveloped, and, in theory, is Klondike. But this is in theory. The prose of life spun the idea on a threaded pin. By the grace of laws passed by parliament. And who or what pushes them to this ...

[carstorm 11]

everything is simple. there are resources but they don’t know where to spend them. here the working week is over. and the weekend like a carbon copy is always. going to the same places. the same people and entertainment. it tires more than work. monotony. It's not about mastering it at all. but in the rhythm with which you live and with what you really want to live. with age it goes away of course. that's why they leave until this drive has passed.

[jaroff]

In fact, having a large selection of entertainment in Moscow is a myth. For an ordinary working person. Most of the workers, albeit indigenous, at least recently arrived, live in a rut: the road to work, work, the road from work, on the way to the grocery store, dinner at home, TV, sleep.
At the weekend, maximum to a large shopping center. All!
I have been working all my life at a Moscow enterprise since the Soviet era, believe me that someone on Monday shared how he or his family visited a museum or a new exhibition or theater, there isn’t such a thing. TV and sofa. And they are the same in the capital, and in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

[carstorm 11]

I'm not talking about entertainment as a species, but about their differences. those groups that I like to play in the Far East will not go as an example. and my daughter, who every year asks for the Kremlin Cup, I don’t bring to the Far East. etc. etc.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'm not talking about entertainment as a species, but about their differences. those groups that I like to play in the Far East will not go as an example. and the daughter who every year asks for the Kremlin Cup to bring together I do not bring to the Far East. etc. etc.

Yes, Dmitry. Your problems would be, but the bulk of the population. And you won’t believe it, the bulk of the people have slightly different, albeit certainly not, global problems like yours (I hope you won’t be offended that you ) - how to hold out from paycheck to paycheck and what to choose, purchase a medicine or buy a better product, after paying a mortgage (or simple) loan.

PS Kremlin Cup

[Crimean partisan 1974]

TV and sofa. And they are the same in the capital, and in Komsomolsk-on-Amur .----- not true. in Komsomolsk there is entertainment. mostly fishing and flood control

[Bongo]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

TV and sofa. And they are the same in the capital, and in Komsomolsk-on-Amur .----- not true. in Komsomolsk there is entertainment. mostly fishing and flood control

Hello Volodya! This is a rafting on the Limuri River in the 2012 year. In 7 days 120 km passed. Fishing was gorgeous!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Seryoga a huge hello, yes, with Lemuri. I revise these pictures constantly, through the TV set, my class. read about missile defense syaopintsev. . I can’t understand, this is where you can dig up all this

[Bongo]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Seryoga a huge hello, yes, with Lemuri. I revise these pictures constantly, through the TV set, my class.

So you had a chance to get to this river, I do not lose hope that you will come again. Although now everything has become much more complicated. Everywhere they strangle, the rivers are leased and carried there foreigners, and the locals are charged with huge fines for "illegal fishing". The impression is that everything is being done to make the population leave the Far East.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

read about missile defense syaopintsev. . I can’t understand, this is where you can dig up all this

Simply, you need to at least understand a little what you write. The next part will be about the current state of the Chinese missile attack warning system. Yes, yes, I had to dig deep and sift the information. Well, use a little professional skills ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The next part will be about the current state of the Chinese system ... and then on VO you can not keep up with the main "editorial"

[Bongo]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

The next part will be about the current state of the Chinese system ... and then on VO you can not keep up with the main "editorial"

Required!
I read about Chinese SNF?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Have you read about the Chinese strategic nuclear forces? .... but of course. ... noted with surprise that the Xiaoping "horizons" are looking in our direction and not an eastern friend, but a lot of interesting things

[Bongo]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

Have you read about the Chinese strategic nuclear forces? .... but of course. ... noted with surprise that the Xiaoping "horizons" are looking in our direction and not an eastern friend, but a lot of interesting things

I threw links to you at Agent.
I’ll have dinner and rest. Tomorrow on duty.
Before communication!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I understand, I’m reading, I will wait for Timurk to study, because I can’t go to the soap without him

[Wildcat]

The next part will be about the current state of the Chinese missile attack warning system.

HOORAY!!!!

[Kelwin]

This is about how to take the keys to the toilet, and tomorrow with the appearance of a benefactor to return them - the receiver is hackneyed ...

[Mavrikiy]

The parliament proposed to return the previous retirement age for the Far East

Yes, then in the north, in Siberia, in the Urals, throughout the country, with the exception of Moscow.

[Well done]

The site seems to be called "VO"?

[Potato]

We don’t know anything - we normally live in Moscow. DV is where?))))

[kjhg]

Provocateur? Read the site rules.

[Potato]

Didn't break anything and provocation is a powerful technique to draw attention to the problem)))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I have a feeling that in our country, only in Moscow people live. Far East, Siberia, this is so .. for budget revenues .. So it turns out that the Far East, Kuriles, is a solid, wasteland, on the map. Let's play .. Japs chop off and quickly learn everything. And they will set up roads and housing, and factories .. Just not for us .. But we will continue to develop the MKAD,

[Potato]

Here I asked friends - but whose are these Kuril Islands? They say - Japanese. Let them return to the Japanese - we don’t need them - nobody lives there anyway. And Russia will give money))))

Moscow (s)

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Potato, and you do not communicate with fools. Then you won’t be surprised. Although, without fools, boring .-)

[Potato]

They are not fools. They just don't care. These Kuriles of yours have no time to delve into - you need to make money and get rich. And such - the majority. They do not care

[Tank hard]

Quote: Potato

They are not fools. They just don't care. These Kuriles of yours have no time to delve into - you need to make money and get rich. And such - the majority. They do not care

They just become "Europeans" ...

[carstorm 11]

and before it was different? due to temporary bonuses there were thousands. pension and adyu worked.

[Potato]

I propose to return the retirement age in Moscow. That no one was hurt

[monster]

I love my country so much and I hate STATE !!!

[Maks1995]

Behind MKAD there is no life?

[rotmistr60]

Trotil42
... and the Far East minus 60 sniffed?

Rough and in the absence of school knowledge. You at least looked at the map or something. Following your tone - did Siberians smell 90-100% humidity? Parents from Siberia, where they have been more than once, are a native Far Easterner himself, but I don’t ask who and what “smelled”.

[carstorm 11]

yeah. 100 percent humidity and in the heat under 40 is still a pleasure. especially when the strawberry ripened))))

[Tank hard]

Quote: rotmistr60

and Siberians sniffed 90-100% humidity?

Why not? 80% in frosts at 30, this is a very cool combination ...

[Stalnov I.P.]

A complete failure of the pension reform, soon people will not only flee from the Far East, they will also move from other regions and republics. It was necessary so much ... to understand what kind of cow’s cake they got into. Everyone will run to Moscow and St. Petersburg, what should the powers that be do? Yes, with professionalism, a complete failure, with moral standards, too. Fairy tales, fairy tales, fairy tales are not very good, not very smart and funny, just like the storytellers themselves. It turns out Soviet galoshes are much better than Russian bast shoes.

[Mcar]

To change the situation, the State Duma proposes to return the old retirement age for the Far Eastern Federal District: 60 years for men and 55 years for women.

Dead poultices.

Redid the Far East and to the retirement genocide. So why would something change?

In order for the Far East to come to life and become a part of the people, completely different incentives are needed. Well, for an example:
- free flight / travel to anywhere in the Russian Federation once a year to all family members
- minimum salary of 10 minimum wages
- minimum pension of 5 minimum wages
- each child, starting from the first - minus 25% of the main body of the mortgage loan
- 5 children - a free minibus (large, beautiful, passable, and not just anything)
I would have thrown something else, but it’s already bread.

[Potato]

Do you want to be president after Putin? I vote for you!))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I would have thrown something else, but it’s already bread .... .... advance to the next post of the head of state. I will vote for you, and since I have a patriarchy in my family, then all 4 votes will be. so don’t forget about the Vostochny Cosmodrome and the Gagarin Aircraft Plant and the submarine ferry in Komsomolsk for the future

[Mcar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

I would have thrown something else, but it’s already bread .... .... advance to the next post of the head of state. I will vote for you, and since I have a patriarchy in my family, then all 4 votes will be. so don’t forget about the Vostochny Cosmodrome and the Gagarin Aircraft Plant and the submarine ferry in Komsomolsk for the future

Is that a banter?

Russia will lose both the Far East and Siberia, if everything goes as it goes. It's a question of time. And if anyone doubts this, who does not see it, you are from the majority. So far from the majority. To prevent this from happening, very serious, significant reforms are needed. Such reforms, so that the itch in the country goes to Siberia and the Far East. Can you imagine how significant these reforms should be in order for people to stretch from Moscow to the east? If not, everything is empty.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

so that people stretch from Moscow to the east? ........ you are out of your mind. it is hardly worthy of even discussion. and at the expense of the rest is absolutely no banter. I will even attract more people from the acre family. move forward

[Mcar]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

so that people stretch from Moscow to the east? ........ you are out of your mind. it is hardly worthy of even discussion.

Yes, to Moscow and to the east. And I'm out of my mind. I remember how BAM was built. We traveled including from Moscow.

As you said there - the head of state? If you do it differently now: a teacher in Moscow - 80 tr, a teacher in Khabarovsk - 20 tr, and vice versa?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I remember how BAM was built. ....... and not only BAM, how many cities were founded in the East and North during the Soviet era. youth was primarily driven by adventures in uncharted territories and there was no material issue, at the moment everything is exactly the opposite. they go there where software is better, for example, I am a Crimean, and many of my ketos left for a long ruble. some in Moscow, some in St. Petersburg, some in Tyumen and some in Yakutsk, no one in the Far East yet, although there is a friend in Komsomolsk

[military pensioner]

It remains to return free education, free health care, free housing, factories and workers, collective farms and state farms and other achievements of SOCIALISM. Then the State Duma will receive the respect of the people. But, alas, this will never happen NEVER ...

[Whisper]

Patching holes and provocation! The government needs to be checked for disability and legal capacity!

[Galleon]

Bullshit full in deputy motivation. Do you want people to go there - give a good job and a decent salary! First of all, those who live there now !!! Today already - give it! But then others will look and stretch to those edges. But no, those at the helm of power are not capable of giving anything. To promise and to take is trained. And to give is to show weakness, to deflate.

[Demon_is_ada]

The state can only give money, or rather redistribute from Muskvabad somewhere, alas, the people must do the work and so on ... And in order to force the people to do something, you need a plan, an idea, an ideology, and so on. with this, everything is hopelessly bad for "our" leadership I watched a meeting of GDP with the ministers of education, neighing like a horse in a pale finger at the moment when about budget places, so there our guarantor repeated the question four times - the answer is the same with bulging eyes and a memorized phrase - we are oriented towards the averaged ones shown in the industry Well, he is hinting at the GDP - but why the hell do you reorient? ... and silence in response and here you understand - here it is, the end of the world and the decline of civilization ...

[Berkut24]

But what about the constitutional equal rights of Russians? What about the flight and subsequent extinction of the villages? What about the inability to find work in major cities?
I understand that the retirement age will be lowered when the whole country falls for the cordon? For several years there has been an accelerating decline in the indigenous population of Russia. How all this is similar to the experiments of freshmen from Honey over a sick person.

[Potato]

Well what are you? These gentlemen are entirely candidates of economic sciences! True, with diplomas from the 90s. And you call them students))))

[Berkut24]

A candidate for a doctor is not a doctor. All Honey students are candidates for a doctor. But many of them have to become pathologists.

[Potato]

PhD in Economics is the name of a degree. Award is awarded for candidate work in economics. In the 90s - a hot commodity - as well as fake university diplomas. In those, and even in those times - a Ph.D. degree is a necessary condition for advancement in civil service. A major official could only be a Ph.D., or even better - a doctor) but it cost a lot more))))

You will be surprised, but we have the head of state, and all those close to him are scientists, candidates of science)))

[Berkut24]

You may be surprised - but I am aware of all this. I just gave an analogy. A candidate is, as it were, "not up to ..." Such are the decisions of our destinies. By the way, the "candidate" was most often obtained simply by taking part in some kind of general development, which was simply torn apart, writing them between the dissertations of employees. And the leader, as a rule, already being a "candidate", "wrote" his doctoral dissertation.
My father was simultaneously writing himself a Ph.D. dissertation and a doctoral supervisor.

[Potato]

Here! A penny is worth such a scientist and such a science. But this infection is everywhere, wherever you spit.

[rocket757]

Quote: ROSS 42

When I read this, in my head the phrase itself builds up:
We used to be poor and not very rich, and then we were also robbed ...

We used to be ... united, for the most part! If it will be necessary to choose, only this way or that, I will choose it as before ... although I still have all the rules, but I’m not sure about the future of my descendants.

[New Year day]

the authorities are doing everything for mutual hatred in the country: fines in Moscow are higher than in Russia, and now retirement in the Far East should be earlier. That's how it pits everyone against everyone

[AU Ivanov.]

Is it okay that under the Soviet Union, the inhabitants of the Far North retired earlier? Whom did "people's power" play against there?

[Mestny]

Expected to see massive troll sobs and tear streams in the comments.
You did not deceive my expectations.
You are impenetrable.
The only decent thing I can do for you is to ignore you.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Mestny

Expected to see

And what did not expect to see?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Mestny

The only decent thing I can do for you is to ignore you.

Sergei, aren't the attempts of the "parliamentarians" to change the situation in the Far East ridiculous, and this "shnyaga" with a hectare? That would have transferred the capital city to Khabarovsk, maybe something would have changed, but so ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Mestny

The only decent thing I can do for you is to ignore you.

the fact that you are stuck suggests otherwise. It's easier to ignore you

[Crimean partisan 1974]

According to Kharitonov, ...... that’s interesting, where was the chairman of the parliamentary committee on regional politics and the problems of the North and the Far East when everyone voted in favor of amending the pension reform ???? everyone knows that it’s impossible to fix anything by indulgences perhaps the cancellation of amendments and all. and so. language as pomelo

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

It is clear to everyone that it is not possible to correct anything by indulgences.

They understand this, but they cannot step on the throat of their own song.
Here is such an embarrassment however ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Here is such an embarrassment, however ....... yes, what an embarrassment. an ordinary pig feeder, that would not go to the slaughterhouse, you have to grunt

[koksalek]

Well, if the Far Eastern hectare did not save the situation, then the parliament with one pension stroke will change life dramatically. You can not even doubt it. There are no fools in parliament, they know better from the chair and who remembers their cant with an increase in retirement age

[faterdom]

I understand that Kharitonov is "on the affairs of the Far East" ... But we only need to raise the question of returning everything to the state before May 18.
When the current prime minister was proposed and approved and the obscene proposal for pension reform was immediately put forward.
First, let them report on the old "reform", tell what happened, who was punished, and how the idea of ​​creating a pension fund came true in general, so that it multiplied, and pensioners rolled like cheese in butter ... Something did not come true, it remains to find out - the concept erroneous, or were the performers so-so? And who was personally responsible for this?
And then we start asking for handouts, like, in general, it's not bad, but just change the awl for the old soap ...
But we must demand: "Stop the car! Full back!"

[16112014nk]

Our anti-people government acts on the principle of:
- How to make a person well?
Do him bad first
and then return it as it was.