Polish experts reacted to Chinese media articles about the "capture of Kaliningrad"

In Poland, they reacted to the materials of the Chinese media, in which they considered the possibility of a NATO attack from Poland on the westernmost region of Russia - the Kaliningrad region.

It is noteworthy that two major Chinese media resources, which cover, among other things, military topics, decided to consider this issue at once. Recall that in one PRC media it was announced that NATO could capture Kaliningrad in two weeks, and in another - in two days at all. At the same time, both publications noted that Russia "will not leave this unanswered and may launch a missile strike on a number of European capitals - for example, Warsaw and Berlin."

Polish experts noted that this kind of material is more of an attempt at a media surge by Chinese authors. In particular, it is noted that NATO continues to consider "the threats emanating from Russia, but at the same time does not pose tasks of an offensive nature."

It is also noted that "Poland is not a springboard for a NATO offensive." The deployment of the NATO contingent on Polish territory is called the “deterrence factor”.

Polish government officials did not comment on materials in the Chinese press regarding the “possible attack on Kaliningrad”.

On the eve of the publication in the Chinese media, they reacted to the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation. So, Senator Vladimir Lukin, who represents the Foreign Affairs Committee, noted that there is freedom of speech, while adding that "the spoken word should always be better than silence." Also in the Federation Council recalled history, noting that at one time Adolf Hitler also hatched a plan to capture the USSR in a few weeks. What it ultimately resulted in is known to all.

Recall that over the past few years, a battalion of American troops has been deployed in Poland, an element of the American missile defense system is being created, in addition, Warsaw invites the United States to deploy an American division to the countries.

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[svp67]

In particular, it is noted that NATO continues to consider "the threats emanating from Russia, but at the same time does not pose tasks of an offensive nature."

Yeah, and increases the number of offensive weapons, the same tanks, at the very borders of the Kaliningrad region ...

[Spartanez300]

Poland will play out in the "deterrent factor" by deploying American troops on its territory. Gearing mattress mats is one thing, and putting your people in jeopardy is too much. At least sometimes you need to turn on your brains and look at your actions one step ahead.

[hydrox]

The Chinese promised, probably, to Przekuasam several barrels of glass (or coral) beads, and these are already glad to arrange a Russophobic coven.
But I think that these non-glazed glycs did not understand the difference between the vitrified surface and the filled layer of ice - where they decided to glaze, there is no ice, there are only Hiroshima from Nagasaki, only the Pshekuas think that they will have an analogue of "December on the Rotterdam canals "

[krot]

capture of Kaliningrad in two weeks

Funny strategists among the Anglo-Saxons and the West as a whole .. Hitler also planned to capture the USSR in two months! And only Brest Fortress stayed a month!

[Pavel57]

Comparison with the Brest Fortress is not entirely correct: the excessive concentration of troops in the Brest Fortress was not only unjustified in the context of the approaching war, but illiterate and criminal.
This does not detract from the heroism of its defenders.

[Sibiriya]

Not quite so, part of the troops in the fortress broke through, part reached their own, part in partisans. It’s bad that they didn’t have time with the directive in the troops in the call.

[Amurets]

Quote: hydrox

The Chinese promised, probably, to Przekuasam several barrels of glass (or coral) beads, and these are already glad to arrange a Russophobic coven.

The Chinese will not arrange anything in vain, but they can probe the options for the "Silk Road" in the Baltic region. The option through the Baltics is no longer possible, there remain Russian ports in the Baltic and the option through Belarus to Poland. And what is happening in Russian-Chinese trade relations, the results of the WEF are a deep secret. << 2018 promised to be an important milestone in the development of Russian-Chinese regional cooperation - primarily in the Far East, which, according to the well-known statement of Vladimir Putin, is "Russia's national priority for the entire XNUMXst century" https://www.eastrussia.ru/ material / kak-kitay-budet-razvivat-dalniy-vostok /

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Spartanez300

Poland will play out in the "deterrent factor" by deploying American troops on its territory. Gearing mattress mats is one thing, and putting your people in jeopardy is too much.

In principle, Poland used to expose its people to attack, being in the Warsaw Pact, now it exposes the people to NATO. Apparently the role of the Poles is to be someone else's target.

Quote: Spartanez300

Although sometimes it is necessary to include brains and view their actions a step further

They had such a unique chance to turn on their brains when the VD collapsed and had not yet had time to get into NATO. A non-aligned status and geographic location with access to the sea would give it a number of advantages, since bargaining on this interest from Russia and the United States, it could milk both powers for itself "for joy", which it would bargain with the EU and live like "with ship to the ball ", but apparently the state" of fire, but into the fire ", when the fifth point is constantly burning, it is closer to her. Masochists in one word.

[hydrox]

Quote: Nyrobsky

In principle, Poland used to expose its people to attack, being in the Warsaw Pact, now it exposes the people to NATO. Apparently the role of the Poles is to be someone else's target.

This nature is so servile: the Poles are satisfied with being a litter in peacetime, and cannon fodder in wartime.
In the peaceful stage, the population is restored and unsecured ambitions grow immensely (that is, "show-off"), in the military stage, the population sharply decreases, but the fertility of the land rises, and out of nowhere, the responsibility of the country's leadership is cut through (you just need your head think before!).

[Hagalaz]

It is only Polish experts who do not see Poland as a bridgehead of NATO against Russia. Everyone else needs it only in that capacity. Otherwise, the price is worthless.

[svp67]

Quote: Hagalaz

It is only Polish experts who do not see Poland as a bridgehead of NATO against Russia.

If real experts did not consider it in this person, then Poland would not build up its Armed Forces

[hydrox]

And what, perhaps 2-3 YABGs will be interested in the number of pshekuas against which these YABGs will be used.
YBGs do not have brains, and this is their advantage over the Pshekuas, who imagined that they have a powerful cerebral apparatus, but at the same time cannot distinguish the brains in the head from the dish "Brains with green peas with lentil sauce", but the dish is also used in the head, therefore that they also eat with their heads ...

[Pessimist22]

Well polished the Poles

[Scoun]

Quote: Pessimist22

Well polished the Poles

But we must understand that today "Pole" is a diagnosis.
Among them, of course, there are normal people in power, but absolutely frostbitten people who cannot live without "aggressive" Russia.

[210ox]

Yes, he tensed nobly .. Before filling his pants ... But what if???

[Evil echo]

That’s why they are in power, if they saw Russia as a friendly state, they would have long been mixed with guano.

[Herman 4223]

Well, what were these threats from Russia to Poland? We can promise to capture Warsaw, or can tanks move to the Baltic states? Polish people are fooled, they are turned into cannon fodder, and they are not even a house. Hitler also collected an army in Poland, type for protection, he sounded even more convincing. In order not to receive a blow from the USSR during the operation against England.

[rocket757]

It is also noted that "Poland is not a springboard for a NATO offensive." The deployment of the NATO contingent on Polish territory is called the “deterrence factor”.

To "dream" ourselves, to show off your ambition, is one thing. Sing along to someone other than striped, this is nizya ...
Moreover, about our missiles and arguments vigorous, those who are supposed to, do not forget NEVER!

[Vladimir_2U]

It would be kindly to declare, officially, that the bases of the hostile bloc in any territory are automatically taken on the sight of nuclear weapons, but the partners, so as in the joke, aim at where "ours" are not .. (((

[Moskovit]

I think the Polish military command is well aware of this. Like the Baltic generals. But politics there is higher than common sense.

[Vladimir_2U]

Generals are generals, but when the locals are aware of this, then on the ground there is a frail struggle against these bases (it was), as in Italy, etc. in the 80s of the last century. Let the hedgehog into his pants with hostility then did not hesitate, not like the current ones.

[Moskovit]

Been there. The older generation still has the rudiments of reason and understands how this will end and, in principle, for the normalization of relations with Russia. But the youth are all intoxicated. For her, Russia is a clear enemy, which is also to blame for the fact that the economies of these countries are not in the best condition.
In addition, you will begin to express a pro-Russian position, you will really have problems at work. I’ll keep silent about civil servants, immediately dismissal and blacklisting.

[anjey]

It is also noted that "Poland is not a springboard for a NATO offensive."

That is why only Poland has been this centuries, this real bridgehead, for attacks on the East.

[Herman 4223]

Not only. Under Peter the Great, Poland was our ally against the Swedes.

[hydrox]

Aha :: you just need to figure out who sold the first Russian Swedish Carla - skakuazy or pzhekuasy.

[Herman 4223]

Nobody even heard about the skakuas. There were Cossacks Zaporozhye. But they considered themselves Russian.

[hydrox]

I see that you don’t even know who Mazepa was at that time and what role he played in the Pshekuas court - but it’s excusable to you ...
Cossacks, on the other hand, spoke on the South Russian surzhik, but no one was concerned about the nationality of either Sich or Don, and, moreover, they tried to hide her.

[Herman 4223]

Anyone who is at least a little interested in history has heard about Mazepa. In Poland, there was a civil war in fact. King Augustus opposed the Swedes along with Peter. But the Swedes entered Poland, and put their king. Poland was divided, two kings, two armies fighting each other. So at what Polish court did Mazepa play his role? There were two of them.

[hydrox]

Then let's start from the end: that the Cossacks, that the Poles were considered "allies" of Peter.
And the end is this: neither the Pshekuasy nor the Skakuas participated in the battle of Poltava :: the Cossacks, under the leadership of Mazepa, cheated on the Russians and went to Karl, but the Psheks did not want to fight at all. True, Skoropadsky brought some of the Cossacks back, but they did not participate in the hostilities (who will count on the traitors?).
Well, and as whom do you order to number both those and others (by the way, related by blood, what are the Bandera people trying to boast of now)?

[Maverick78]

The overwhelming minority left Mazepa. And the Cossacks were in the garrison of Poltava, and in the garrisons of other towns ... are they also skakuasy?

[Nikolai Korovin]

Another that ally was the Saxon-Polish king Augustus. And so Stanislav Leshchinsky ally ... Dismiss. And who was there at that time who actually had a king? Yes, Lyakh knows them. In general, Peter I there constantly carried out operations to enforce peace. More trouble from such allies.

[hydrox]

That's only of all the Polish conquests more or less it took root under Pshekia only ON (and then they were singled out separately to the Russian Empire), the rest of the psheks were only kicked ...
And for what did Stalin reward them with German lands (probably to have a sanitary laying thicker (in those days they thought the criteria of past wars))?

[rotmistr60]

at the same time does not pose offensive tasks

But at the same time, there is an increase in armored vehicles, preparation of infrastructure, constant large-scale exercises at our borders, an increase in reconnaissance flights, etc. And what is necessary in this case to think about, if not about systematic preparation for possible military operations against Russia. All these tales about the planned attacks of our country on the Baltic states, Poland, and, of course, Ukraine are bullshit. And the fact that many European and American politicians have long gone brainless is a medical fact.

[knn54]

Libya. Yugoslavia, Iraq-NATO is fighting for peace so much that there is no stone unturned ..

[Nikolai Korovin]

It has been known for a long time. Some of the Roman historiographers (forgot who) wrote about their compatriots: "They sow devastation and call it the world." They are all the heirs of the first Rome of the first stage.

[Fedorov]

Poland is a bozka uterus, a drana baba. - Bargaining chip for a couple of centuries. Together with their ikspers. The first "Iskander" will get it if something happens ... What do they think there .. or do they have a neck extension instead of a head ..? But there is also a nuclear "Babai.

[aszzz888]

Fedorov (Valery) Today, 07: 28 NEW
+1
Poland - Bozka uterus, Drana Baba. - Bargaining chip for a couple of centuries. Together with their ikspers. The first "Iskander" will receive if something happens ... What do they think ...or they have a neck extension instead of a head there..? But there is also a nuclear "Babai.

... they eat it

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The eternal passage yard, all armies. But ambition, like a stupid farmer.

[cniza]

It infuriates them, and I really want laurel wreaths, but there can only be others ...

[hydrox]

So, spruce, also with swagger ...

[Chingachguk]

2 weeks to capture Kaliningrad? Yes, during this time, Russians themselves will rename Poland itself and most of the European Union will go under Putin's jurisdiction! In order for Russia to become bigger, you just have to try to touch it! And all ..... This can be used as a hint to start living in the Russian Empire faster!

[cniza]

They don’t remember history at all, though now the puppeteer - the United States does not want a big war and at the same time is afraid ...

[Fedor Sokolov]

Poland will someday play out other people's geopolitical games, which in the end, as it happened, will be paid more than once by its sovereignty, or even physical existence, on the world map.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It’s not in vain that Schickelgruber said that Asia begins in Poland. And did not feel much love for the Poles.

[Nikolai Korovin]

They had sovereignty in 1939. They were going to Berlin. Led by Marshal Rydz-Smigly. Collective security proposals were rejected. The French (!) Ambassador was not allowed into the Foreign Ministry - just around August. In order not to get underfoot, Berlin did not stop taking it. So the attack on the radio station in Gleivitz is, in fact, would not hurt to figure out whose provocation is actually. Maybe Polish.

[cniza]

Recall that over the past few years, a battalion of American troops has been deployed in Poland, an element of the American missile defense system is being created, in addition, Warsaw invites the United States to deploy an American division to the countries.

And this is the bridgehead and let the Poles not dissemble.

[hydrox]

And they never cunning (this was the prerogative of the gentry) :: Pshekas were simply servile ALWAYS brazenly lying.

[Barmaleyka]

all these fictitious nonsense
KT has not once said what the meaning of capture is, if it is a full-fledged military conflict, then KO is only part of the general military operations, but is presented as a war for KO

[Chaldon48]

An American battalion is stationed in Poland. That's interesting, but is there an airfield with an appropriate number of transport aircraft nearby?

[Wedmak]

In vain are you writing about YABCH. No one will throw them in a densely populated Europe without a VERY critical situation for the Russian Federation. An attempt to capture Kaliningrad will result in a Russian missile attack on advancing units, bombing, air battles, air defense, electronic warfare, MLRS, naval battles, point-and-point attacks on command in neighboring countries ... In general, tons of explosives of various types are attacked in the panama.
All that is, except for the nuclear arsenal.
Who after this will be better is another question. NATO never climbed into war without multiple superiority over the enemy. And here is a real chance to get brutally in the face in the very first hours of aggression.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Wedmak

In general, tons of explosives of different varieties are advancing in panama.

The area is surrounded ... In the event of a real conflict, there is no chance. Yes, we can inflict losses on the enemy, but survive without help from the mainland, no . Now, ours have begun to restore HF in the region, but compared to what was here under the Union, it’s a drop in the bucket. With two days, the Chinese got excited, but the term of 2 weeks (without help) is real. After, only focal defense and partisans.
P \ S. I like the forest in the Polessky district ... Marshes (peat), felled forests, access to the Curonian lagoon and the (old) route Kaliningrad - Sovetsk. If it starts, I'm there.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: LiSiCyn

If it starts, I'm there.

not for long in our forest area there are NO big groves in which even summer cannot survive without speaking about winter, only our idiotic mushroom pickers can get lost there, in addition, there can be no separate war for KO

[LiSiCyn]

Vladimir,
As I understand it, you are a "fellow countryman" (Alma-Ata - Kaliningrad)? From 98th to 2000th I lived in Polessk and I am more, less oriented in that area. 20 years ago, with my own eyes, I saw a German tank on an island in the middle of a swamp. Summer was dry, 70-100 meters fell short. I will not lie that the Tiger, maybe the T-4, but not the Panther. Koresh said that there is still. In addition, the terrain is difficult enough for counter-partisan actions. And the presence of a large number of reservoirs (canals, rivers, ditches, gulf) increases the chance of finding food.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: LiSiCyn

increases the chance to find food.

C'mon, you’re not a Frenchman, you won’t last long on frogs.
and not 42 in the yard to hide in the woods is almost impossible

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Barmaleyka

C'mon, you’re not a Frenchman, you won’t last long on frogs.

Relatives say that there is a particle of "Gallic" blood. They dug up that the name Supes is from the Huguenots.
I'm not squeamish about food. I ate and cooked, in due time, frogs, and snakes, and turtles ... I can fish too, in different ways.
In addition, I do not plan to stay long, 2-3 months. After that, it will be clear whether we will live or not.

Quote: Barmaleyka

not 42 in the yard to hide in the woods is practically not realistic

If you approach wisely ... Besides, I have relatives and friends in Polessk ... Why do I need to sit in the forest all the time.

[Wedmak]

Yes, we can inflict losses on the enemy, but survive without help from the mainland, no

And who says there will be no help? On land there is a little more than 500 km, for the Kyrgyz Republic it takes 40 minutes, well, an hour, bypassing the air defense zones. Remember the war with the Georgians? It took about 8 hours to make decisions and aviation began to bomb objects and a little more 14 for the first ground troops to pass the Roki tunnel. And this is in conditions when the army was, frankly, not in the best condition.
Now, you know, the army’s capabilities have increased greatly.
What will be really difficult to say there, but 100% in the General Staff already have detailed action plans.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Wedmak

It took about 8 hours to make decisions and aviation began to bomb objects and a little more

compare war 080808 and full-fledged conflict with NATO to say the least unprofessional

Quote: Wedmak

, but 100% in the General Staff already have detailed action plans.

may well lie in which, among other things, there may be the option of withdrawal and regrouping with subsequent possible release in a year or two

[Wedmak]

compare the 080808 war and full-fledged conflict with NATO

Why not compare? There were local showdowns, here at first it will be the same. But whether this conflict will go global and will depend on the reaction of the Russian Federation. If you fucking hard, I give a tooth, the Americans and the Shaving will merge. They won’t climb directly, they will substitute their mongrels from the Baltic states, Poland, Romania ... They will get them in wort, NATO will not climb at all because it understands that a full-fledged invasion will be followed by a full-fledged answer.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Wedmak

Why not compare?

did you seriously ask this question ?!

Quote: Wedmak

There were local showdowns, here at first it will be the same

Kindergarten

Quote: Wedmak

They won’t climb directly, they will set up their mongrels from the Baltic states, Poland, Romania ...

[Nychego]

Quote: LiSiCyn

The area is surrounded ... In the event of a real conflict, there is no chance.

Yes, it still depends on the nature of the conflict, the volume and configuration of the forces and means deployed at the time of its inception, decisions made by the command and political leadership of the participants.
The region has a chance as a result of being both an excellent bridgehead on the right flank of the attacking "eastern" and a thorn in the left flank of the "western". Of course, it is not excluded that the "skid", albeit with a lot of blood, but will be pulled out, but now it is extremely premature to guess about it - this is purely entertainment and earnings for experts.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Nychego

As a result, the region has a chance to turn out to be an excellent springboard on the right flank of the advancing "eastern"

Step from here while no one else The forces concentrated in the area are not enough. The grouping is increasing, more "in words" ... Yes, there is a slow replacement of old equipment.

Quote: Nychego

and a thorn on the left flank of the "western".

You, yourself answered above ... I feel, if it starts, they will beat from all the "trunks". Especially in Baltiysk.

[lukewarm]

It's not for nothing that this is "zhu-zhu-zhu" © Winnie the Pooh I have already read several "fantastic" books about the war with NATO, where the action takes place in the Kaliningrad region. Really very vulnerable ... I don't want to say enclave ... region. Cut off from RF by Baltic satellites. At the same time, the deployment of Iskander makes it possible to keep Poland and the American missile defense under attack there, and it will probably reach Germany as well. And if NATO wants to carry out a "peacekeeping operation" there, for example, "Baltic Freedom", then the KOR itself will not survive for long. We'll have to break through to help him through the Baltic states (they, essno, will not let the troops through). Here is the act of aggression of the Russian Federation and here is the 5th article of NATO.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: unwillingly

Will have to break through to help him through the Baltic

through Belarus it is much closer

[lukewarm]

I'm not a strategist. Played, to be honest, that I read.

[anykin]

Quote: unwillingly

And if NATO wants to conduct a "peacekeeping operation" there

Write easier - Attack the Russian Federation.

[Elephant]

But NATO tanks in Poland are not for deterrence, but really serve for an offensive strategy. This is evidenced by regular military exercises of the bloc near the Russian borders.

[AAK]

The most interesting thing is why it was precisely the Chinese who suddenly became concerned about the security of Kaliningrad from the Polish threat, not otherwise they themselves cherish certain ideas ...

[Amurets]

It is noteworthy that two major Chinese media resources, which cover, among other things, military topics, decided to consider this issue at once. Recall that in one PRC media it was announced that NATO could capture Kaliningrad in two weeks, and in another - in two days at all. At the same time, both publications noted that Russia "will not leave this unanswered and may launch a missile strike on a number of European capitals - for example, Warsaw and Berlin."

Pay attention to where these materials come from.
What do the Chinese want? The Chinese will not do anything in vain and talk too. So we need to look for "Who benefits from it." And most likely the PRC. IMHO To delay US interests, to a possible conflict in Europe.

[jaroff]

A waste of time on articles about the upcoming war of the Russian Federation and NATO. And about the so-called cannon fodder. There will be no such war.
Is the example of the USSR forgotten? A country with nuclear weapons and armed to the teeth with conventional weapons broke up without a single shot! That's what you need to think about! After all, everything goes in a circle. The same hysteria that we are in the ring of enemies will not attack, but the retaliatory blow will be crushing, rally around and not give to enemies and spies, we will tighten the regime of secrecy so that the enemy does not ... And so on.
Meanwhile, somewhere the texts of the new Belovezhi are already being prepared, the ink is tucked into Parker pens. Something like this.
Summary. Fear the enemy of the inside.

[shinobi]

In general, I’m interested in how an NATO bloc can attack Russia. Those who, in all seriousness, argue, should immediately be forcibly hospitalized in the PND. Any military, and just a sensible person who has served in the army knows that any more or less significant accumulation of manpower automatically becomes a target for hit by heavy destruction systems, nuclear weapons in particular. And without concentration of force in the direction of the offensive, it’s alpha and omega of military science, it’s simply impossible. It was imperceptible to collect the shock fist Of course, earlier, let alone modern technologies, satellites, the Internet, and so on, when anyone with a smartphone has a potential intelligence spy. With the advent of nuclear weapons, the era of global battles of the million-strong armies has sunk into the summer, and thank God. All that remains is an indirect war and participation in local local conflicts.

[Ros 56]

And it seems to me that everything is much simpler, just the Poles want to add an element of adventurism inherent in the striped to their gene pool and thus become their prototype in Europe.

[nnz226]

The Germans (!!!) - the Wehrmacht, and not some kind of psheks, Americans and other snakes on 22.06.1941/2/XNUMX, suddenly attacking, could not take the Brest Fortress for a week, and this with an overwhelming advantage! And in the fortress for another month, our focus was on the defensive, and then plans to take the Kaliningrad region in XNUMX days !? Game of Thrones is a more realistic scenario ....

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Spartanez300

Poland will play out in the "deterrent factor" by deploying American troops on its territory. Gearing mattress mats is one thing, and putting your people in jeopardy is too much.

In principle, Poland used to expose its people to attack, being in the Warsaw Pact, now it exposes the people to NATO. Apparently the role of the Poles is to be someone else's target.

Quote: Spartanez300

Although sometimes it is necessary to include brains and view their actions a step further

They had such a unique chance to turn on their brains when the VD collapsed and had not yet had time to get into NATO. A non-aligned status and geographic location with access to the sea would give it a number of advantages, since bargaining on this interest from Russia and the United States, it could milk both powers for itself "for joy", which it would bargain with the EU and live like "with ship to the ball ", but apparently the state" of fire, but into the fire ", when the fifth point is constantly burning, it is closer to her. Masochists in one word.

If we compare the risks of a war in conditions of practical equality of forces with conditions when forces are not equal, then now the Poles risk much more. Russia is not the USSR. And it has neither the human resources of the USSR, nor mobilization, nor industrial and financial. Hence, one can see the temptation to end the existence of Russia on the part of its Western friends. But, at the same time, and for the same reasons, Russia has no choice but to use its nuclear tactical potential, which will undoubtedly destroy everyone and even more who want to get something from the collapse of Russia. And we just have to carefully tell Europe how and how we will dissect them, in case the next Napoleon decides that "TIME!"