APU adopted the domestic MLRS "Verba"

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have adopted the Ukrainian-made Verba multiple launch rocket system (MLRS). This was reported by the ArmyInform news agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine with reference to a statement by the head of the military-technical cooperation department and the formation of a special defense department of the Department of military-technical policy, development of weapons and military equipment, Colonel Vladislav Shostak.

According to the portal, the Verba MLRS was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, already this year the first full-time units will be formed, which will be armed with this system. Serial production of MLRS "Verba" will be carried out at the state enterprise "Shepetovsky repair plant".

As previously reported, the new Ukrainian MLRS Verba is a modernized Soviet 122-mm MLRS 9K51 Grad. The modernization was developed by the Kharkov Design Bureau. A. Morozova. According to the developers, the MLRS is equipped with digital systems that allow the crew to control fire, aim and control the reload process in automatic mode, without leaving the cab. Ammunition consists of 40 rockets of the caliber 122 mm with a range of destruction of targets up to 40 km. Recharging a full package takes up to 10 minutes.

According to the statement of the Ukrainian military department, the MLRS vehicles are equipped with modern digital communication systems for the secure transmission of information.

Ukroboronprom announced the start of serial production of this MLRS at the end of February this year. At the same time, nothing was reported about the planned number of manufactured cars.

Comments

[Mihail42]

And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

[demo]

"These" will find.
Although they say - "God does not give horns to a vigorous cow", but that mistake of the Almighty came out.

[cniza]

Quote: Michael42

And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

They are already at war with their own people.

[hydrox]

So this is their own people from only two regions, and there are still six more regions in line for entering New Russia !!
There will not be enough Nazis with Bandera for such a number of Russians and Ukrainians, the sovereign neg (oops!) Will have to use the MLRS!

[Ptrz]

Wow! Already as many as 6 areas in line? And where and where in the queue? To New Russia ??? What is this? Where is it?? Also the Nazis? Stop drinking, lie down, sleep

[Grits]

Quote: PtrZ

Wow! Already as many as 6 areas in line? And where and where in the queue? To New Russia?

Forget about Novorossia already - the train has left. in its place appears Neobanderia. And thank you to our guarantor and his government with its KhPP.

[hydrox]

Nope.
Today Fashukraine has only one thing left to live!
Well, if the Chargé d'Affaires (from the USA) intervened with his guidelines, then for us this means FULL untying of arms and legs up to the introduction of troops and compulsion to execute Minsk pieces of paper.
And Russia is vitally interested in preserving Novorossia precisely in that composition and under the NAME in which it was designed and created by Catherine the Great, and not some kind of bastard!

[Alex777]

Although they say - "God does not give horns to a vigorous cow", but that mistake of the Almighty came out.

Lukashenko helped. Chinese technology. God does not need to remember in vain.
40 km is a lot. Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.

[demo]

What is there in the bust !!!!!
So the neighbors who award us?
Without HIS participation, nothing happens.
And you! In the bustle!
There is no need to remember, but pray is necessary.

[hydrox]

So, so as not to talk idle :: what caliber does the Tornado have?

[Alex777]

So, so as not to talk idle :: what caliber does the Tornado have?

What Tornado do you mean? Tornado-G is a development of the City with all that it implies.
Tornado-S and Tornado-U - Tornado and Hurricane, respectively. So what are you asking?

[hydrox]

Question removed: Lopatov has already answered.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Alex777

Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.

For a brigade-division level vehicle, 20 km is too much. And for long-range shooting, there are such systems as "Uragan-1M" and "Tornado-S" Well, for shooting at smaller TOS-1A

[30hgsa]

In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass. Tornado-G has new shells with new gunpowder and a detachable warhead. There are no devices for induction input right there. Ukraine does not normally produce gunpowder even for riflemen.

[Lopatov]

Quote: 30hgsa

In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass

That's not the point. The higher the maximum, the greater the minimum. And when the MLRS of the brigade level can not hit targets on the front line and in the immediate rear of the enemy, this is a strange situation.

[30hgsa]

Well Tornado-G declared the ability to shoot at 40 km. The question is due to what and how it is implemented. The increase in the minimum range may not be critical. Yes, and the old shells remain - if you have a choice of what you can shoot further, and what you can shoot closer - it will always be better. Only yes, it seems that in any case it’s nobody to use Grads at a distance of 40 km. and even 30 km. will not be. What for? Grad is a massive and cheap MLRS. Make corrections for shells - in the caliber of 120 mm there are mines that can be adjusted, but it will not be massive and not cheap. The meaning is lost. At 40 km, it’s easier to cheat already a point. At a point in terms of mass, the warhead will come out just like the Grad package.

[Alex777]

it’s Grad nobody to use at a distance of 40 km. and even 30 km. will not be. What for?

To understand the topic, and not just the buttons pressed. There was an episode at the front when APU Pions pecked the city with impunity, and because of the range of these Pions there was nothing to suppress them.
So a special operation was carried out: at night, the Grads went into the neutral zone and worked out the position of the Pions at maximum range. If my memory serves me - 3 gun mounts and the entire ammunition were destroyed. The shelling ceased.

[svp67]

Quote: 30hgsa

In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass.

No, not only. The range can be increased by replacing the fuel in the engine. For a long time, in the manufacture of powder charges for these missiles, the so-called "obsolete gunpowder" was used.

Decree of the Council of Ministers of February 12, 1971 NII-6 was assigned to develop charges for the "Grad" from a mixture of "obsolete" ballistic and pyroxylin gunpowders. RCI-MBP gunpowder was created at NII-6, 76,6% of which consisted of obsolete gunpowder and only 23,4% of fresh components. The charge 9X111MZ was created from the gunpowder RSI-MBP. Tests of these charges were carried out from September 1973 to November 1974. 9X111MZ charges were used in Grad shells with an index of 9M21U2

[svp67]

Quote: Alex777

40 km is a lot. Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.

Likewise, the "Verba" will shoot at 40 km the same ONLY SOME types of projectiles.

[Black_Vatnik]

For the fifth year, they are fighting with common sense! Have you not noticed?

[cniza]

Yeah, they shoot at their own feet, and they hold their heads under the armpit ...

[VO3A]

You are ironic in vain! Until now, all Ukrainian military men say that they are at war with Russian units, they speak of fire from the Russian side.
This is not funny ... They say, like the Nazis from the National Battalions and ATO veterans and like some Poroshenko channels on television. The nationalists say that they have a war with Russia, that the war with Russia has been going on for the fifth year ... And this bastard, Old Man, they supply fuel, and everything you need ...

[hydrox]

Yes, in fact, Russia doesn’t give a damn about the fact that there are galloping bullies there, puffing to show their significance and significance. Here is how 3-4 regions will remain at their disposal, they will not need a willow, but an automated installation for express-hardening cement stones for slings and slingshots, and Russia will break their arms and legs if these masons go to Kuban or Voronezh to fight - at the same time fresh blood will fall into a sick ethnic group ...

[210ox]

With themselves ... Civil war, their mother ..

[Russia]

The instruction manual states everything.

[sabakina]

Quote: Michael42

And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

What's the difference?

[DED_peer_DED]

Name ... sister, name?

[1976AG]

Quote: Michael42

And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

Weird question. And if you don’t gather with anyone, then the question will arise: why do we need armed forces?

[svp67]

Quote: Michael42

And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

they don’t hide what’s wrong with Russia.

[Sofa Patriot]

With those who visit this

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

During the Spanish Civil War, more than 2 tons of Soviet soldiers and officers fought on the Republican side, and the USSR supplied tanks and even aircraft to the USSR, but the war was still civilian, and in Korea and Vietnam too!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

These are not guests, but help, exactly the same as this -

if it were guests, everything would have ended long ago. The guests would have burned the Bandera geeks just like the Ishilians in Syria from the air.

[APASUS]

Quote: Sofa Patriot

Or with those who visit this

What do you not understand ram from this video? The video is not for Putin lovers at all, but the essence here is stated quite clearly, for which Ukrainian boys die, for which the population of Ukraine suffers!
A colony cannot flourish by definition, well, it's probably generally higher mathematics for you, but I at least tried to explain

[svp67]

Quote: Sofa patriot

With those who visit this

Quote: Sofa patriot

Or with those who visit this

They somehow manage to fight more with those who ride this ...

[race]

Quote: Sofa patriot

Or with those who visit this

And sho ce for a shushpantser after all?

[Armata T-14]

Repainted hail. Carapace Food

[Old26]

In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note

[asv363]

In the upper row, two guides are closed from the lens with a yellow-black flag.

[TermNachTer]

A normal bandera habit - stolen, but the newest, unique, unparalleled.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Old26

In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note

Well, 8 pieces have already been stolen and exchanged for "vodka".

[svp67]

Quote: Old26

In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note

And count again ...

[Scharnhorst]

Interestingly, the trunks are new or moved from decommissioned hail to the Krazov chassis?

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Most likely it is, in order to do something new, we need specialists and machines, and in my opinion they have nothing.

[rhino]

Decommissioned of course. Where did Ukraine get new ???

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Nothing new, as always, another copy!

[knn54]

Sergey Sergeyevich, and does not bother that CORRECTED ammunition is used, which allows them to be distributed for different purposes.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

And what from this? It is still unknown how they will actually prove themselves. They already had them, their vaunted mortars, which from a shot, scattered to shreds.

[Xenofont]

Then a couple of days ago in the zone of the atoms a mortar Molot, as a result of ill-treatment, declared himself a "shahid" and rushed: two into the "box", three to the hospital. It's time to rename this drinomet to "In Memory of Poroshenko"

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Yes, and this installation is not better, for a show, they gathered a couple to report on finances.

[rhino]

Fake, about the explosion of the Hammer.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Nashorn

Fake, about the explosion of the Hammer.

What do you prove? Or so, I decided just blah, blah, blah and nothing more.

[rhino]

We have every media in the Donbas reported by all the media, both TV and Nat. You can’t hide anything. Even if the MO tries, nothing will come of it.

[abc_alex]

Quote: knn54

Sergey Sergeyevich, and does not bother that CORRECTED ammunition is used, which allows them to be distributed for different purposes.

Adjustable? By whom, how and how? Do not you fantasize? Correction in 120 mm is problematic in itself, and from a 40 km launch point it’s fantastic at all.
This MLRS has no adjustable shells. All the differences in the automation of the preparation for shooting. In fact, it is an analogue of the Russian Tornado-G. Only our crew has 2 people, and the Ukrainian has 5, for them they made a special cabin for 5 seats.
The only fundamental difference from Tornado-G is the presence of a transport-loading machine for automatic reloading of PU. We have such a machine for Tornado S.

[Grits]

Quote: abc_alex

The only fundamental difference from Tornado-G is the presence of a transport-loading machine for automatic reloading of PU.

Personally, I do not understand these gestures with transport-loading machines. Intert I do not understand something, let smart people judge. But I see so.
We have - 1 PU and 1 TZM
One launcher per minute releases its shells (40 pcs.), TZM drives up to it and within 10 loads 40 more shells. Which PU again produces in a minute. All. the shells are over. Both cars turn around and stumble to the base.
Total. 12 missiles fired in 80 minutes.
And if so.
We have - 2 PU and 0 TZM
Two launchers per minute release their shells (80 pcs.). All. the shells are over. Both cars turn around and stumble to the base.
Total. 2 missiles fired in 80 minutes.
What is the meaning of TZM then?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Gritsa

Personally, I do not understand these gestures with transport-loading machines.

I also did not quite understand, what for it is necessary in real life. But not like Muscovites?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: knn54

ADJUSTABLE ammunition is used, which allows them to be dispersed for different purposes.

What are you talking about? Most likely, you confused the "fork with the bottle" ... or the 122-mm Nurs MLRS "Verba" with the 300-mm, really corrected, rockets "Alder" ...

[30hgsa]

This willow has no adjustable shells.
She doesn’t even have programmable shells - there are no devices for entering programs on the machine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

Nothing new, as always, another copy!

Well KRAZ all the same Ukrainian.

[rhino]

And what new can be in the pipes of the City ???

[Mountain shooter]

"Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names
In general, I hope this miracle of engineering will befall the fate of the famous "Hammer"

[Glory Ponomarev]

We called the submarine bppa Poseidon, and the Americans have an anti-submarine aircraft

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Slava Ponomarev

We called the submarine bppa Poseidon, and the Americans have an anti-submarine aircraft

That's why I "voted" for "kraken"!

[Karaul14]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names

Willow is more in Ukrainian, in Russian this tree is usually called willow, although willow is also correct.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Karaul14

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names

Willow is more in Ukrainian, in Russian this tree is usually called willow, although willow is also correct.

About how it is launched. Can’t you distinguish a weeping willow from a willow? How will a whale be in Ukrainian if a cat is a whale in Ukrainian?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

How will a whale be in Ukrainian if a cat is a whale in Ukrainian?

Nobody knows, there are no whales in Ukraine, only cats.

[Sofa Patriot]

Grew up. the whale is Ukrainian. whale (read Kyt), grew. the cat is Ukrainian. kit (read kit)

[1976AG]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names
In general, I hope this miracle of engineering will befall the fate of the famous "Hammer"

We are also weak with imagination. Dagger hypersonic and "dagger" air defense system of the ship

[Lord of the Sith]

They rivet the maximum battery, and then there will be denyuzhki Western friends beg))

[rocket757]

If you do not try the product for export, then this will not help the economy at all.

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

If you do not try the product for export, then this will not help the economy at all.

To put it mildly, export prospects are near-zero.

[rocket757]

Quote: Spade

To put it mildly, export prospects are near-zero.

Nothing outstanding ... whoever has the money will choose better.
Those who are constrained by means can not deliver to Kukuevsky on credit, but under the guarantee of someone not poor ... so who will give them that?

[Lopatov]

Quote: rocket757

Nothing outstanding

Now the flagships in the MLRS area are Chinese and Serbs. The former can give a big credit, the latter share technology (for example, with Turkey)
Plus Israel and Slovaks. Plus "independent work" like the Poles or Belarusians, when they replaced the basic "Ural"

[Ros 56]

According to their doctrine of decommunization, all the achievements and weapons of the times of the USSR must be destroyed. Here ghouls, here I play, I do not play here, and here the fish was wrapped. Ugh on idiots.

[Antares]

Quote: Ros 56

According to their doctrine of decommunization, all the achievements and weapons of the times of the USSR must be destroyed.

decommunization in general has nothing to do with weapons.

[Lopatov]

And why then on the old Soviet mortar sights change the nameplates?

[Antares]

Quote: Spade

And why then on the old Soviet mortar sights change the nameplates?

nameplates, labels, wrappers do not affect TTX
at least three times wrap the flag and surround with tridents as icons in the minibus ...
from this performance characteristics do not change.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Antares

nameplates, labels, wrappers do not affect TTX

Exactly. Only this saves Ukraine.
Replace on a 44-year-old scope, bought in Eastern Europe, a nameplate with a sickle and a hammer, thereby carrying out "decommunization" and RUNNING NEWESTUkrainian own development

Interestingly, this "decommunization" how many times increased the cost of the sight? Two, three, five?

[Ros 56]

Antares, well, you can’t be as direct as a stick, because under the current decommunization Natsik means giving up all Russian and it would be beneficial for them, they would have demolished the Dnieper hydroelectric station. They destroy only those objects that do not directly affect their income. If something serious is destroyed, then nothing new will be done and not built. This legendary cunning and duplicity of banderlogs is well known, they are simply afraid that the whole world will turn away from them, as if they were plague, and they would look at them like crazy. They seem to support it in the eyes, and they twist it with a finger at the temple.

[bars1]

knn54Why did you decide that "Verba" uses corrected PCs? Do you confuse "Verba" with "Alder" for which the adjustable PC is really developed?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bars1

Are you confusing "Verba" with "Alder"

What's the difference, Willow, Alder, Birch - it's still a tree, and it burns well in the stove.

[Old26]

Quote: asv363

In the upper row, two guides are closed from the lens with a yellow-black flag.

Thank. I did not look carefully ...

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

Most likely it is, in order to do something new, we need specialists and machines, and in my opinion they have nothing.

They have both specialists and machines. A couple of months ago at the VO there was an article about the EMNIP Shostka event. With photo. They also have specialists, and there are machines. If they have covered themselves with high-tech enterprises, such as aircraft and shipbuilding, in a copper basin, others still exist. And in particular related to artillery and missiles. Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

If, as you say, everything is there, then they don’t start it all, but buy it abroad?

Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old

Suppose: if they cannot start mass production, and then what, they do not start single issues, if they have everything and buy everything from the Westerners?

[rhino]

Well, one could guess that for mass production it takes time, and Ukraine is in time trouble. Weapons are bought in other countries for which there is a large quantity of ammunition and personnel who can control it.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

it takes time for mass production

And where did it go from them? They cannot produce single products, and you are already talking about some kind of mass production.

Weapons are bought in other countries for which there is a large quantity of ammunition and personnel who can control it.

Something is inconspicuous for them to buy weapons for the caliber of shells that they have. They do the opposite.

[rhino]

1. By the time we also need funds for the development of products. MO winds as it can.
2. Why ??? BMP-1, self-propelled guns 122mm.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well now what to do - accepted and accepted. It comes to war, there and check how good this MLRS is. Hey Ukrainians, are you sure you want this?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bio robot

it would be nice if this came to your home, I would not mind

Why are you so mean. Let’s people exist peacefully, it’s not necessary to be friends, but we need to exist.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well .... I'll send it to you, and you to me ... You know, there is one flaw in your logic, you are trying to prove yourself tolerant, but by sending shells to my home you essentially put yourself on a level with me. You are not a good person, as in principle I am.

[IL-64]

I understand correctly that for automated loading you need an automated transformer transducer? And where is she?

[Old26]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

If, as you say, everything is there, then they don’t start it all, but buy it abroad?

Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old

Suppose: if they cannot start mass production, and then what, they do not start single issues, if they have everything and buy everything from the Westerners?

All is not all, but there is. Do not think that Ukraine is a steppe in which there is nothing. There are enterprises, albeit not always a complete cycle, but we also have not always and not everything was localized on the territory of Russia

They do something themselves, they buy something. For example, I have not heard that they bought something in the west from rocket artillery or rockets. ATGMs yes, partially purchased. They have their own anti-aircraft systems and are undergoing modernization, if necessary.
You contradict yourself by talking about (asking the question about) why they do not produce single copies. These are just single copies they produce. The same MLRS "Vera", "Alder"., "Bastion-01," Bastion-02 "," Bastion-03 "
For sure, there is still a single copy of the "Neptune" launcher.
But "Bastions", like "Verba", are planned to be mass-produced at the Shepetivka plant from the end of 2019. So they are still capable of piece production of such products. To do airplanes - perhaps no longer and never will. Everything else: shooters, armor, artillery - they do it by pieces. Maybe not always these are original products, but copies from others, but nevertheless.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They rivet the maximum battery, and then there will be denyuzhki Western friends beg))

Maybe less. At least "Bastions" they made 7 pieces of various modifications. Will the series go and how many will be in the series - ХЗ

[Lopatov]

and manage the reload process in automatic mode

How's that?
The matyugalnik on the cockpit and "Uh ... bodies ... accelerated with loading ..."?

[Kerensky]

ATGMs yes, partially purchased.

That is, the ATGM developments in ... a deep crisis. But the ATGM could also generate Zasyadko. Tea is not a PCR with a "head", a product at the branch level.
The bourgeoisie overcame Merlin, but the Ukrainians want Darts to tears. Output? Simple! Merlins work on the defensive, from prepared positions, at intersections and bridges. What about Darts? Good on the offensive, - "shot and forgot."
Well, I must admit that Merlin is not a little ATGM, but nonetheless ....

[rhino]

Just for ATGMs, we have no crisis. Stugna is an example. In the APU there are already many. We want to buy the Javelins in those presented.

[Kerensky]

Just for ATGMs, we have no crisis. Stugna is an example.

Alexander. Stugna is also a little wrong. Agree that the calculation should take a position a little earlier than the goal appears there.
Why does the APU not beg the Merlin? Not needed?

[Zeev Zeev]

Normal modification of ordinary hail. Put on their base, put the OMS. The same Tornado-G.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

The same Tornado-G.

"Tornado-G" does not have a "package" of Gradov. In addition, the Tornado-G is equipped with an induction data entry system into the RS.

[Lopatov]

Quote: bio robot

tornado g, really sounds so for popuas

Mindflow?

[Lopatov]

That is, the stream of consciousness in its purest form. Accepted.

[Zeev Zeev]

"Tornado-G" has the usual Gradovsky package. And the data entry system in the PC can be put on anything

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

"Tornado-G" has the usual Gradovsky package.

No.

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And the data entry system in the PC can be put on anything

Can. But the Strange Ukrainian Machine does not have this.

I think so, they wanted something like the RM-70 or the Yugoslav M-77, with a quick loading system in hydraulics. But they could not give birth to a normal base. So it turned out the product of a gloomy Ukrainian genius with a transport-loading machine, the use of which requires a very experienced driver (there are few of them in the Armed Forces) and sober (there are even fewer of them, and they work either on the rear or carry drunk generals)

[30hgsa]

Honestly, I don’t understand why MLRS like Grad TZM. The city is as simple as a Kalashnikov assault rifle. The projectile is relatively light - to work with it. It will be cheaper and more efficient to make 2 combat vehicles than 1 BM and 1 TZM.

And with STZM for hail, I basically do not understand the logic of reloading it with TZM, TZM will be more complex and more expensive than the BM itself. At the same time, mobile BMs that, having shot a packet, will remain in position, and ammunition will be transported to TZM for each battery back and forth? And first they will be loaded into the TZM? Isn’t it easier in the case of Grad to immediately load a truck into a combat vehicle?

[Lopatov]

Quote: 30hgsa

Honestly, I don’t understand why MLRS like Grad TZM.

Ukrainians are just strange guys ...
At one time they tried to do "like the Belarusians, only better", as a result, "Bastion-02" made through the back seat
We tried to do "like the Czechs, Serbs, Chinese, only better", and we got an even stranger "Willow".
It's scary to think what they will give birth, trying to do "like the Serbs, Israelis, Turks, only better" Which with replaceable packages of guides that can be charged in the field

[30hgsa]

Look at the exterior of the Tornado-G and Willow and find the differences, I advise you to pay attention to the ends of the guides and the fungus on the roof of the cabin.

[30hgsa]

What time do they take hail into service? There were already bastions, now a willow and everything was taken into service in 1 copy.

[Max Chervon]

By the new year, you look at the DPR and LNR to get hold of gifts. And to be honest all this is sad, how many people will die again

[phair]

"We need different willows". I thought MANPADS hit the ukrobabuins. And this will be missed (bad) or sold (good).

[DDT]

That's really really ... How many years have been ruining the Ukrainian defense industry, the Ukrainian army ... And no! wait for especially impatient "krymnasham" until it completely collapses .... So no, hurry up.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

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[Lopatov]

Quote: DDT

no, hurry up.

Who told you such nonsense?
Let it be known to you, even the Syrian militants have learned to change the base of the "Grad". Well, I hope we will not speak about the "developed Syrian industry," no?

[DDT]

Well, judging by Lavrov's peace-loving statements, they were in a hurry with the "complete collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry". And strong. Despite all the sarcasm and cons

[Lopatov]

Quote: DDT

Well, judging by Lavrov's peace-loving statements, they were in a hurry with the "complete collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry". And strong. Despite all the sarcasm and cons

No, are you ... Giants.
The Ukrainian arms industry is so powerful and large that Ukroboronprom has to be disbanded. Sorry, optimize.
Well, speaking about the subject of discussion ... In 2020, not a penny was allocated to the Pavlodar plant, people began to dismiss.
MLRS without rockets does not happen.
Or do real Ukrainian patriots not need rockets?

[Evil 55]

What idle nonsense ... Have they finally mastered the production of missile shells? Or are they still hoping for remnants from the USSR?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What is interesting about the ammunition for these cities? Do you have your own production of shells for Grads in Ukraine?

[Yaro Polk]

Moscow-Kremlin nihrena weapons and missiles was postponed on Ukra after the collapse of the USSR, that even taking into account the burnt out warehouses, they can’t spend it all, but how much was sold to the armory Baron N. Cage))

[Max Chervon]

Not to the Baron but to Viktor Bout !!!

[Old26]

Quote: Spade

I think so, they wanted something like the RM-70 or the Yugoslav M-77, with a quick loading system in hydraulics. But they could not give birth to a normal base. So it turned out the product of a gloomy Ukrainian genius with a transport-loading machine, the use of which requires a very experienced driver (there are few of them in the Armed Forces) and sober (there are even fewer of them, and they work either on the rear or carry drunk generals)

Bastion-02 is basically such a system. Transportable BC - 80 rounds on an extended base Kraz

[race]

New to me too! I understand that if they presented something completely new: with a different caliber, different shells. If there weren’t any brains, then they would take the Yugoslav MLRS (128 mm), Turkish, Chinese or some NATO as the basis - then at least there would be something to see and discuss. But what about the declaration of transition to NATO standards? Some words - blah blah blah.