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APU adopted the domestic MLRS "Verba"

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine have adopted the Ukrainian-made Verba multiple launch rocket system (MLRS). This was reported by the ArmyInform news agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine with reference to a statement by the head of the military-technical cooperation department and the formation of a special defense department of the Department of military-technical policy, development of weapons and military equipment, Colonel Vladislav Shostak.


APU adopted the domestic MLRS "Verba"


According to the portal, the Verba MLRS was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, already this year the first full-time units will be formed, which will be armed with this system. Serial production of MLRS "Verba" will be carried out at the state enterprise "Shepetovsky repair plant".

As previously reported, the new Ukrainian MLRS Verba is a modernized Soviet 122-mm MLRS 9K51 Grad. The modernization was developed by the Kharkov Design Bureau. A. Morozova. According to the developers, the MLRS is equipped with digital systems that allow the crew to control fire, aim and control the reload process in automatic mode, without leaving the cab. Ammunition consists of 40 rockets of the caliber 122 mm with a range of destruction of targets up to 40 km. Recharging a full package takes up to 10 minutes.

According to the statement of the Ukrainian military department, the MLRS vehicles are equipped with modern digital communication systems for the secure transmission of information.

Ukroboronprom announced the start of serial production of this MLRS at the end of February this year. At the same time, nothing was reported about the planned number of manufactured cars.
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  1. Mihail42
    Mihail42 9 November 2019 16: 40
    -1
    And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?
    1. demo
      demo 9 November 2019 16: 42
      +6
      "These" will find.
      Although they say - "God does not give horns to a vigorous cow", but that mistake of the Almighty came out.
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 November 2019 16: 59
        +14
        Quote: Michael42
        And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?


        They are already at war with their own people.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 9 November 2019 19: 12
          -4
          So this is their own people from only two regions, and there are still six more regions in line for entering New Russia !!
          There will not be enough Nazis with Bandera for such a number of Russians and Ukrainians, the sovereign neg (oops!) Will have to use the MLRS! laughing
          1. Ptrz
            Ptrz 9 November 2019 19: 45
            -8
            Wow! Already as many as 6 areas in line? And where and where in the queue? To New Russia ??? What is this? Where is it?? Also the Nazis? Stop drinking, lie down, sleep
            1. Grits
              Grits 10 November 2019 07: 10
              -1
              Quote: PtrZ
              Wow! Already as many as 6 areas in line? And where and where in the queue? To New Russia?

              Forget about Novorossia already - the train has left. in its place appears Neobanderia. And thank you to our guarantor and his government with its KhPP.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 10 November 2019 14: 09
                -1
                Nope.
                Today Fashukraine has only one thing left to live!
                Well, if the Chargé d'Affaires (from the USA) intervened with his guidelines, then for us this means FULL untying of arms and legs up to the introduction of troops and compulsion to execute Minsk pieces of paper.
                And Russia is vitally interested in preserving Novorossia precisely in that composition and under the NAME in which it was designed and created by Catherine the Great, and not some kind of bastard!
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 9 November 2019 18: 17
        +2
        Although they say - "God does not give horns to a vigorous cow", but that mistake of the Almighty came out.

        Lukashenko helped. Chinese technology. God does not need to remember in vain. hi
        40 km is a lot. Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.
        1. demo
          demo 9 November 2019 19: 09
          -2
          What is there in the bust !!!!!
          So the neighbors who award us?
          Without HIS participation, nothing happens.
          And you! In the bustle!
          There is no need to remember, but pray is necessary.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 9 November 2019 19: 14
          0
          So, so as not to talk idle :: what caliber does the Tornado have?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 10 November 2019 11: 46
            0
            So, so as not to talk idle :: what caliber does the Tornado have?

            What Tornado do you mean? Tornado-G is a development of the City with all that it implies.
            Tornado-S and Tornado-U - Tornado and Hurricane, respectively. So what are you asking? hi
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 10 November 2019 13: 59
              0
              Question removed: Lopatov has already answered.
        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 November 2019 20: 07
          +4
          Quote: Alex777
          Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.

          For a brigade-division level vehicle, 20 km is too much. And for long-range shooting, there are such systems as "Uragan-1M" and "Tornado-S" Well, for shooting at smaller TOS-1A
          1. 30hgsa
            30hgsa 10 November 2019 00: 20
            +2
            In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass. Tornado-G has new shells with new gunpowder and a detachable warhead. There are no devices for induction input right there. Ukraine does not normally produce gunpowder even for riflemen.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 November 2019 00: 27
              +2
              Quote: 30hgsa
              In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass

              That's not the point. The higher the maximum, the greater the minimum. And when the MLRS of the brigade level can not hit targets on the front line and in the immediate rear of the enemy, this is a strange situation.
              1. 30hgsa
                30hgsa 10 November 2019 00: 32
                +1
                Well Tornado-G declared the ability to shoot at 40 km. The question is due to what and how it is implemented. The increase in the minimum range may not be critical. Yes, and the old shells remain - if you have a choice of what you can shoot further, and what you can shoot closer - it will always be better. Only yes, it seems that in any case it’s nobody to use Grads at a distance of 40 km. and even 30 km. will not be. What for? Grad is a massive and cheap MLRS. Make corrections for shells - in the caliber of 120 mm there are mines that can be adjusted, but it will not be massive and not cheap. The meaning is lost. At 40 km, it’s easier to cheat already a point. At a point in terms of mass, the warhead will come out just like the Grad package.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 10 November 2019 15: 51
                  +1
                  it’s Grad nobody to use at a distance of 40 km. and even 30 km. will not be. What for?

                  To understand the topic, and not just the buttons pressed. There was an episode at the front when APU Pions pecked the city with impunity, and because of the range of these Pions there was nothing to suppress them.
                  So a special operation was carried out: at night, the Grads went into the neutral zone and worked out the position of the Pions at maximum range. If my memory serves me - 3 gun mounts and the entire ammunition were destroyed. The shelling ceased. hi
            2. svp67
              svp67 10 November 2019 04: 13
              +2
              Quote: 30hgsa
              In this case, 40 km can be realized only by reducing the warhead mass.

              No, not only. The range can be increased by replacing the fuel in the engine. For a long time, in the manufacture of powder charges for these missiles, the so-called "obsolete gunpowder" was used.
              Decree of the Council of Ministers of February 12, 1971 NII-6 was assigned to develop charges for the "Grad" from a mixture of "obsolete" ballistic and pyroxylin gunpowders. RCI-MBP gunpowder was created at NII-6, 76,6% of which consisted of obsolete gunpowder and only 23,4% of fresh components. The charge 9X111MZ was created from the gunpowder RSI-MBP. Tests of these charges were carried out from September 1973 to November 1974. 9X111MZ charges were used in Grad shells with an index of 9M21U2
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        5. svp67
          svp67 10 November 2019 04: 02
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          40 km is a lot. Tornado-G barely reaches for some types of shells.

          Likewise, the "Verba" will shoot at 40 km the same ONLY SOME types of projectiles.
    2. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 9 November 2019 16: 51
      +3
      For the fifth year, they are fighting with common sense! Have you not noticed?
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 November 2019 17: 00
        +2
        Yeah, they shoot at their own feet, and they hold their heads under the armpit ...
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 9 November 2019 23: 27
        +3
        You are ironic in vain! Until now, all Ukrainian military men say that they are at war with Russian units, they speak of fire from the Russian side.
        This is not funny ... They say, like the Nazis from the National Battalions and ATO veterans and like some Poroshenko channels on television. The nationalists say that they have a war with Russia, that the war with Russia has been going on for the fifth year ... And this bastard, Old Man, they supply fuel, and everything you need ...
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        2. hydrox
          hydrox 10 November 2019 14: 22
          -2
          Yes, in fact, Russia doesn’t give a damn about the fact that there are galloping bullies there, puffing to show their significance and significance. Here is how 3-4 regions will remain at their disposal, they will not need a willow, but an automated installation for express-hardening cement stones for slings and slingshots, and Russia will break their arms and legs if these masons go to Kuban or Voronezh to fight - at the same time fresh blood will fall into a sick ethnic group ...
    3. 210ox
      210ox 9 November 2019 17: 03
      0
      With themselves ... Civil war, their mother ..
    4. Russia
      Russia 9 November 2019 17: 10
      -1
      The instruction manual states everything. smile
    5. sabakina
      sabakina 9 November 2019 18: 08
      +1
      Quote: Michael42
      And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

      What's the difference?
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 9 November 2019 23: 16
        0
        Name ... sister, name?
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    6. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 November 2019 18: 19
      +4
      Quote: Michael42
      And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

      Weird question. And if you don’t gather with anyone, then the question will arise: why do we need armed forces?
    7. svp67
      svp67 9 November 2019 19: 27
      +1
      Quote: Michael42
      And who are Ukrainians going to fight with?

      they don’t hide what’s wrong with Russia.
    8. Sofa Patriot
      Sofa Patriot 9 November 2019 19: 46
      -14
      With those who visit this
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 November 2019 04: 19
        +2
        During the Spanish Civil War, more than 2 tons of Soviet soldiers and officers fought on the Republican side, and the USSR supplied tanks and even aircraft to the USSR, but the war was still civilian, and in Korea and Vietnam too!
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 10 November 2019 09: 18
        -1
        These are not guests, but help, exactly the same as this -




        if it were guests, everything would have ended long ago. The guests would have burned the Bandera geeks just like the Ishilians in Syria from the air.
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      1. APASUS
        APASUS 9 November 2019 23: 19
        +1
        Quote: Sofa Patriot
        Or with those who visit this

        What do you not understand ram from this video? The video is not for Putin lovers at all, but the essence here is stated quite clearly, for which Ukrainian boys die, for which the population of Ukraine suffers!
        A colony cannot flourish by definition, well, it's probably generally higher mathematics for you, but I at least tried to explain
      2. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2019 04: 19
        +8
        Quote: Sofa patriot
        With those who visit this

        Quote: Sofa patriot
        Or with those who visit this

        They somehow manage to fight more with those who ride this ...


      3. race
        race 10 November 2019 20: 14
        0
        Quote: Sofa patriot
        Or with those who visit this

        And sho ce for a shushpantser after all?
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      1. The comment was deleted.
  2. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 9 November 2019 16: 42
    -3
    Repainted hail. Carapace Food
  3. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2019 16: 44
    -1
    In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note
    1. asv363
      asv363 9 November 2019 17: 37
      +1
      In the upper row, two guides are closed from the lens with a yellow-black flag.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 9 November 2019 17: 46
      0
      A normal bandera habit - stolen, but the newest, unique, unparalleled.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 29
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note

      Well, 8 pieces have already been stolen and exchanged for "vodka".
    4. svp67
      svp67 9 November 2019 19: 29
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      In fact, in the photo, a launcher with 32 pipes, and not with 40, as written in the note

      And count again ...
  4. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 9 November 2019 16: 51
    -2
    Interestingly, the trunks are new or moved from decommissioned hail to the Krazov chassis?
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 November 2019 17: 31
      0
      Most likely it is, in order to do something new, we need specialists and machines, and in my opinion they have nothing.
    2. rhino
      rhino 10 November 2019 00: 07
      -2
      Decommissioned of course. Where did Ukraine get new ???
  5. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 November 2019 16: 51
    -2
    Nothing new, as always, another copy!
    1. knn54
      knn54 9 November 2019 17: 14
      +4
      Sergey Sergeyevich, and does not bother that CORRECTED ammunition is used, which allows them to be distributed for different purposes.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 November 2019 17: 22
        -4
        And what from this? It is still unknown how they will actually prove themselves. They already had them, their vaunted mortars, which from a shot, scattered to shreds.
        1. Xenofont
          Xenofont 9 November 2019 17: 43
          +1
          Then a couple of days ago in the zone of the atoms a mortar Molot, as a result of ill-treatment, declared himself a "shahid" and rushed: two into the "box", three to the hospital. It's time to rename this drinomet to "In Memory of Poroshenko"
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 November 2019 17: 45
            -3
            Yes, and this installation is not better, for a show, they gathered a couple to report on finances.
          2. rhino
            rhino 10 November 2019 00: 06
            -6
            Fake, about the explosion of the Hammer.
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 10 November 2019 08: 49
              0
              Quote: Nashorn
              Fake, about the explosion of the Hammer.

              What do you prove? Or so, I decided just blah, blah, blah and nothing more.
              1. rhino
                rhino 15 November 2019 21: 44
                -1
                We have every media in the Donbas reported by all the media, both TV and Nat. You can’t hide anything. Even if the MO tries, nothing will come of it.
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 9 November 2019 18: 56
        +4
        Quote: knn54
        Sergey Sergeyevich, and does not bother that CORRECTED ammunition is used, which allows them to be distributed for different purposes.

        Adjustable? By whom, how and how? Do not you fantasize? Correction in 120 mm is problematic in itself, and from a 40 km launch point it’s fantastic at all.
        This MLRS has no adjustable shells. All the differences in the automation of the preparation for shooting. In fact, it is an analogue of the Russian Tornado-G. Only our crew has 2 people, and the Ukrainian has 5, for them they made a special cabin for 5 seats.
        The only fundamental difference from Tornado-G is the presence of a transport-loading machine for automatic reloading of PU. We have such a machine for Tornado S.
        1. Grits
          Grits 10 November 2019 07: 27
          +2
          Quote: abc_alex
          The only fundamental difference from Tornado-G is the presence of a transport-loading machine for automatic reloading of PU.

          Personally, I do not understand these gestures with transport-loading machines. Intert I do not understand something, let smart people judge. But I see so.
          We have - 1 PU and 1 TZM
          One launcher per minute releases its shells (40 pcs.), TZM drives up to it and within 10 loads 40 more shells. Which PU again produces in a minute. All. the shells are over. Both cars turn around and stumble to the base.
          Total. 12 missiles fired in 80 minutes.
          And if so.
          We have - 2 PU and 0 TZM
          Two launchers per minute release their shells (80 pcs.). All. the shells are over. Both cars turn around and stumble to the base.
          Total. 2 missiles fired in 80 minutes.
          What is the meaning of TZM then?
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 10 November 2019 09: 52
            -1
            Quote: Gritsa
            Personally, I do not understand these gestures with transport-loading machines.


            I also did not quite understand, what for it is necessary in real life. But not like Muscovites?
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 November 2019 19: 17
        +8
        Quote: knn54
        ADJUSTABLE ammunition is used, which allows them to be dispersed for different purposes.

        What are you talking about? belay Most likely, you confused the "fork with the bottle" ... or the 122-mm Nurs MLRS "Verba" with the 300-mm, really corrected, rockets "Alder" ...
      4. 30hgsa
        30hgsa 10 November 2019 00: 15
        +1
        This willow has no adjustable shells.
        She doesn’t even have programmable shells - there are no devices for entering programs on the machine.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 31
      +1
      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      Nothing new, as always, another copy!

      Well KRAZ all the same Ukrainian.
    3. rhino
      rhino 10 November 2019 00: 08
      -1
      And what new can be in the pipes of the City ???
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 November 2019 16: 57
    -2
    "Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names laughing
    In general, I hope this miracle of engineering will befall the fate of the famous "Hammer" wassat
    1. Glory Ponomarev
      Glory Ponomarev 9 November 2019 17: 16
      +5
      We called the submarine bppa Poseidon, and the Americans have an anti-submarine aircraft fellow
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 November 2019 19: 19
        +3
        Quote: Slava Ponomarev
        We called the submarine bppa Poseidon, and the Americans have an anti-submarine aircraft

        That's why I "voted" for "kraken"!
    2. Karaul14
      Karaul14 9 November 2019 18: 23
      -5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names
      Willow is more in Ukrainian, in Russian this tree is usually called willow, although willow is also correct.
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 9 November 2019 18: 36
        +2
        Quote: Karaul14
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        "Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names
        Willow is more in Ukrainian, in Russian this tree is usually called willow, although willow is also correct.

        About how it is launched. what request Can’t you distinguish a weeping willow from a willow? How will a whale be in Ukrainian if a cat is a whale in Ukrainian? wink
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 37
          +1
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          How will a whale be in Ukrainian if a cat is a whale in Ukrainian?

          Nobody knows, there are no whales in Ukraine, only cats.
        2. Sofa Patriot
          Sofa Patriot 9 November 2019 19: 40
          0
          Grew up. the whale is Ukrainian. whale (read Kyt), grew. the cat is Ukrainian. kit (read kit)
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 9 November 2019 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      "Verba" is a new Russian MANPADS ... of high altitude. They can't do anything of their own. Even invent names laughing
      In general, I hope this miracle of engineering will befall the fate of the famous "Hammer" wassat

      We are also weak with imagination. Dagger hypersonic and "dagger" air defense system of the ship
  7. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 November 2019 17: 05
    +1
    They rivet the maximum battery, and then there will be denyuzhki Western friends beg))
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 9 November 2019 17: 21
    +1
    If you do not try the product for export, then this will not help the economy at all.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 November 2019 20: 11
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      If you do not try the product for export, then this will not help the economy at all.

      To put it mildly, export prospects are near-zero.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 November 2019 21: 08
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        To put it mildly, export prospects are near-zero.

        Nothing outstanding ... whoever has the money will choose better.
        Those who are constrained by means can not deliver to Kukuevsky on credit, but under the guarantee of someone not poor ... so who will give them that?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 November 2019 22: 30
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Nothing outstanding

          Now the flagships in the MLRS area are Chinese and Serbs. The former can give a big credit, the latter share technology (for example, with Turkey)
          Plus Israel and Slovaks. Plus "independent work" like the Poles or Belarusians, when they replaced the basic "Ural"
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 November 2019 17: 30
    +2
    According to their doctrine of decommunization, all the achievements and weapons of the times of the USSR must be destroyed. Here ghouls, here I play, I do not play here, and here the fish was wrapped. Ugh on idiots.
    1. Antares
      Antares 9 November 2019 19: 55
      -6
      Quote: Ros 56
      According to their doctrine of decommunization, all the achievements and weapons of the times of the USSR must be destroyed.

      decommunization in general has nothing to do with weapons.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 9 November 2019 20: 17
        +3
        And why then on the old Soviet mortar sights change the nameplates?
        1. Antares
          Antares 9 November 2019 23: 33
          -6
          Quote: Spade
          And why then on the old Soviet mortar sights change the nameplates?

          nameplates, labels, wrappers do not affect TTX
          at least three times wrap the flag and surround with tridents as icons in the minibus ...
          from this performance characteristics do not change.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 November 2019 23: 42
            +5
            Quote: Antares
            nameplates, labels, wrappers do not affect TTX

            Exactly. Only this saves Ukraine.
            Replace on a 44-year-old scope, bought in Eastern Europe, a nameplate with a sickle and a hammer, thereby carrying out "decommunization" and RUNNING NEWESTUkrainian own development

            Interestingly, this "decommunization" how many times increased the cost of the sight? Two, three, five?
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 November 2019 09: 04
        +1
        Antares, well, you can’t be as direct as a stick, because under the current decommunization Natsik means giving up all Russian and it would be beneficial for them, they would have demolished the Dnieper hydroelectric station. They destroy only those objects that do not directly affect their income. If something serious is destroyed, then nothing new will be done and not built. This legendary cunning and duplicity of banderlogs is well known, they are simply afraid that the whole world will turn away from them, as if they were plague, and they would look at them like crazy. They seem to support it in the eyes, and they twist it with a finger at the temple.
  10. bars1
    bars1 9 November 2019 17: 37
    +1
    knn54Why did you decide that "Verba" uses corrected PCs? Do you confuse "Verba" with "Alder" for which the adjustable PC is really developed?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 41
      -3
      Quote: bars1
      Are you confusing "Verba" with "Alder"

      What's the difference, Willow, Alder, Birch - it's still a tree, and it burns well in the stove.
  11. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2019 18: 08
    -1
    Quote: asv363
    In the upper row, two guides are closed from the lens with a yellow-black flag.

    Thank. I did not look carefully ...

    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Most likely it is, in order to do something new, we need specialists and machines, and in my opinion they have nothing.

    They have both specialists and machines. A couple of months ago at the VO there was an article about the EMNIP Shostka event. With photo. They also have specialists, and there are machines. If they have covered themselves with high-tech enterprises, such as aircraft and shipbuilding, in a copper basin, others still exist. And in particular related to artillery and missiles. Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 November 2019 18: 16
      -3
      If, as you say, everything is there, then they don’t start it all, but buy it abroad?
      Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old
      Suppose: if they cannot start mass production, and then what, they do not start single issues, if they have everything and buy everything from the Westerners?
      1. rhino
        rhino 10 November 2019 00: 17
        -1
        Well, one could guess that for mass production it takes time, and Ukraine is in time trouble. Weapons are bought in other countries for which there is a large quantity of ammunition and personnel who can control it.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 10 November 2019 08: 46
          0
          it takes time for mass production
          And where did it go from them? They cannot produce single products, and you are already talking about some kind of mass production.
          Weapons are bought in other countries for which there is a large quantity of ammunition and personnel who can control it.
          Something is inconspicuous for them to buy weapons for the caliber of shells that they have. They do the opposite.
          1. rhino
            rhino 15 November 2019 21: 42
            -1
            1. By the time we also need funds for the development of products. MO winds as it can.
            2. Why ??? BMP-1, self-propelled guns 122mm.
  12. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 18: 11
    0
    Well now what to do - accepted and accepted. It comes to war, there and check how good this MLRS is. Hey Ukrainians, are you sure you want this?
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      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 November 2019 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: bio robot
        it would be nice if this came to your home, I would not mind

        Why are you so mean. Let’s people exist peacefully, it’s not necessary to be friends, but we need to exist.
      2. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 9 November 2019 19: 47
        -1
        Well .... I'll send it to you, and you to me ... You know, there is one flaw in your logic, you are trying to prove yourself tolerant, but by sending shells to my home you essentially put yourself on a level with me. You are not a good person, as in principle I am.
  13. IL-64
    IL-64 9 November 2019 18: 38
    +1
    I understand correctly that for automated loading you need an automated transformer transducer? And where is she?
  14. Old26
    Old26 9 November 2019 19: 04
    +2
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    If, as you say, everything is there, then they don’t start it all, but buy it abroad?
    Maybe they are not able to mass-produce something new, but they can still upgrade the old
    Suppose: if they cannot start mass production, and then what, they do not start single issues, if they have everything and buy everything from the Westerners?

    All is not all, but there is. Do not think that Ukraine is a steppe in which there is nothing. There are enterprises, albeit not always a complete cycle, but we also have not always and not everything was localized on the territory of Russia

    They do something themselves, they buy something. For example, I have not heard that they bought something in the west from rocket artillery or rockets. ATGMs yes, partially purchased. They have their own anti-aircraft systems and are undergoing modernization, if necessary.
    You contradict yourself by talking about (asking the question about) why they do not produce single copies. These are just single copies they produce. The same MLRS "Vera", "Alder"., "Bastion-01," Bastion-02 "," Bastion-03 "
    For sure, there is still a single copy of the "Neptune" launcher.
    But "Bastions", like "Verba", are planned to be mass-produced at the Shepetivka plant from the end of 2019. So they are still capable of piece production of such products. To do airplanes - perhaps no longer and never will. Everything else: shooters, armor, artillery - they do it by pieces. Maybe not always these are original products, but copies from others, but nevertheless.

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    They rivet the maximum battery, and then there will be denyuzhki Western friends beg))

    Maybe less. At least "Bastions" they made 7 pieces of various modifications. Will the series go and how many will be in the series - ХЗ
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 November 2019 20: 21
      0
      and manage the reload process in automatic mode

      How's that?
      The matyugalnik on the cockpit and "Uh ... bodies ... accelerated with loading ..."?
      laughing
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 9 November 2019 23: 01
      0
      ATGMs yes, partially purchased.

      That is, the ATGM developments in ... a deep crisis. But the ATGM could also generate Zasyadko. Tea is not a PCR with a "head", a product at the branch level.
      The bourgeoisie overcame Merlin, but the Ukrainians want Darts to tears. Output? Simple! Merlins work on the defensive, from prepared positions, at intersections and bridges. What about Darts? Good on the offensive, - "shot and forgot."
      Well, I must admit that Merlin is not a little ATGM, but nonetheless ....
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      2. rhino
        rhino 10 November 2019 00: 22
        -8
        Just for ATGMs, we have no crisis. Stugna is an example. In the APU there are already many. We want to buy the Javelins in those presented.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 10 November 2019 18: 44
          0
          Just for ATGMs, we have no crisis. Stugna is an example.

          Alexander. Stugna is also a little wrong. Agree that the calculation should take a position a little earlier than the goal appears there.
          Why does the APU not beg the Merlin? Not needed?
  15. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 9 November 2019 21: 12
    -3
    Normal modification of ordinary hail. Put on their base, put the OMS. The same Tornado-G.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 9 November 2019 22: 49
      +4
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      The same Tornado-G.

      "Tornado-G" does not have a "package" of Gradov. In addition, the Tornado-G is equipped with an induction data entry system into the RS.
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        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 November 2019 23: 38
          +3
          Quote: bio robot
          tornado g, really sounds so for popuas

          Mindflow?
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            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 9 November 2019 23: 43
              +5
              That is, the stream of consciousness in its purest form. Accepted.
      2. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 9 November 2019 23: 42
        -4
        "Tornado-G" has the usual Gradovsky package. And the data entry system in the PC can be put on anything
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 November 2019 23: 51
          +4
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          "Tornado-G" has the usual Gradovsky package.

          No.
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And the data entry system in the PC can be put on anything

          Can. But the Strange Ukrainian Machine does not have this.

          I think so, they wanted something like the RM-70 or the Yugoslav M-77, with a quick loading system in hydraulics. But they could not give birth to a normal base. So it turned out the product of a gloomy Ukrainian genius with a transport-loading machine, the use of which requires a very experienced driver (there are few of them in the Armed Forces) and sober (there are even fewer of them, and they work either on the rear or carry drunk generals)
          1. 30hgsa
            30hgsa 9 November 2019 23: 57
            -1
            Honestly, I don’t understand why MLRS like Grad TZM. The city is as simple as a Kalashnikov assault rifle. The projectile is relatively light - to work with it. It will be cheaper and more efficient to make 2 combat vehicles than 1 BM and 1 TZM.

            And with STZM for hail, I basically do not understand the logic of reloading it with TZM, TZM will be more complex and more expensive than the BM itself. At the same time, mobile BMs that, having shot a packet, will remain in position, and ammunition will be transported to TZM for each battery back and forth? And first they will be loaded into the TZM? Isn’t it easier in the case of Grad to immediately load a truck into a combat vehicle?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 November 2019 00: 23
              +2
              Quote: 30hgsa
              Honestly, I don’t understand why MLRS like Grad TZM.

              Ukrainians are just strange guys ...
              At one time they tried to do "like the Belarusians, only better", as a result, "Bastion-02" made through the back seat
              We tried to do "like the Czechs, Serbs, Chinese, only better", and we got an even stranger "Willow".
              It's scary to think what they will give birth, trying to do "like the Serbs, Israelis, Turks, only better" Which with replaceable packages of guides that can be charged in the field laughing
        2. 30hgsa
          30hgsa 9 November 2019 23: 53
          +1
          Look at the exterior of the Tornado-G and Willow and find the differences, I advise you to pay attention to the ends of the guides and the fungus on the roof of the cabin.
  16. 30hgsa
    30hgsa 9 November 2019 23: 44
    +2
    What time do they take hail into service? There were already bastions, now a willow and everything was taken into service in 1 copy.
  17. Max Chervon
    Max Chervon 10 November 2019 01: 40
    0
    By the new year, you look at the DPR and LNR to get hold of gifts. And to be honest all this is sad, how many people will die again
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  18. phair
    phair 10 November 2019 02: 46
    0
    "We need different willows". I thought MANPADS hit the ukrobabuins. And this will be missed (bad) or sold (good).
  19. DDT
    DDT 10 November 2019 03: 00
    -6
    That's really really ... How many years have been ruining the Ukrainian defense industry, the Ukrainian army ... And no! wait for especially impatient "krymnasham" until it completely collapses .... So no, hurry up. drinks
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 November 2019 08: 06
      0
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    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 November 2019 09: 30
      0
      Quote: DDT
      no, hurry up.

      Who told you such nonsense?
      Let it be known to you, even the Syrian militants have learned to change the base of the "Grad". Well, I hope we will not speak about the "developed Syrian industry," no?
      1. DDT
        DDT April 23 2020 21: 34
        0
        Well, judging by Lavrov's peace-loving statements, they were in a hurry with the "complete collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry". And strong. Despite all the sarcasm and cons hi
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 23 2020 22: 32
          0
          Quote: DDT
          Well, judging by Lavrov's peace-loving statements, they were in a hurry with the "complete collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry". And strong. Despite all the sarcasm and cons

          No, are you ... Giants.
          The Ukrainian arms industry is so powerful and large that Ukroboronprom has to be disbanded. Sorry, optimize.
          Well, speaking about the subject of discussion ... In 2020, not a penny was allocated to the Pavlodar plant, people began to dismiss.
          MLRS without rockets does not happen.
          Or do real Ukrainian patriots not need rockets?
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 10 November 2019 07: 08
    0
    What idle nonsense ... Have they finally mastered the production of missile shells? Or are they still hoping for remnants from the USSR?
  21. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 November 2019 09: 20
    0
    What is interesting about the ammunition for these cities? Do you have your own production of shells for Grads in Ukraine?
  22. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 10 November 2019 09: 51
    0
    Moscow-Kremlin nihrena weapons and missiles was postponed on Ukra after the collapse of the USSR, that even taking into account the burnt out warehouses, they can’t spend it all, but how much was sold to the armory Baron N. Cage))
    1. Max Chervon
      Max Chervon 10 November 2019 11: 35
      0
      Not to the Baron but to Viktor Bout !!!
  23. Old26
    Old26 10 November 2019 12: 36
    -2
    Quote: Spade
    I think so, they wanted something like the RM-70 or the Yugoslav M-77, with a quick loading system in hydraulics. But they could not give birth to a normal base. So it turned out the product of a gloomy Ukrainian genius with a transport-loading machine, the use of which requires a very experienced driver (there are few of them in the Armed Forces) and sober (there are even fewer of them, and they work either on the rear or carry drunk generals)

    Bastion-02 is basically such a system. Transportable BC - 80 rounds on an extended base Kraz
  24. race
    race 10 November 2019 20: 27
    0
    New to me too! I understand that if they presented something completely new: with a different caliber, different shells. If there weren’t any brains, then they would take the Yugoslav MLRS (128 mm), Turkish, Chinese or some NATO as the basis - then at least there would be something to see and discuss. But what about the declaration of transition to NATO standards? Some words - blah blah blah.