The death penalty 2019. The time has come?

Over the past month, a series of tragic criminal incidents took place in Russia, again raising the question of the effectiveness of our law enforcement system and the return of such a form of punishment as the death penalty.




October 2019


In early October in Saratov previously convicted of robbery, theft and rape cases, 35-year-old Mikhail Tuvatin murdered nine-year-old girl Liza Kiseleva.

The death penalty 2019. The time has come?

Rapist and Infanticide Mikhail Tuvatin



And he killed Lisa Kiseleva nine years old


According to the killer, he killed the girl because she allegedly went to the garage and asked him if it was his garage. According to official figures, the forensics have not recorded any signs of sexual violence on the girl’s body, but where is the guarantee that he did not enjoy the murder process itself? And is there anyone who believes that a nine-year-old child voluntarily approached a degenerate with a question? For me personally, there is no doubt that he committed the crime, indulging the needs of his vile essence.

During interrogation, Tuvatin stated that he repents of the crime. Of course, they always repent and shed crocodile tears, the question is, what is the significance of the remorse’s remorse, and indeed, what is the significance of remorse when committing such crimes? Residents of the city tried to commit lynching on the killer, but they did not succeed. The killer faces from 20 years in prison to life. If you get the minimum, it will be released in 55 years, it may still have time to be noted.

31 October in Naryan-Mar During a quiet hour, the 39-year-old chronic alcoholic Denis Pozdeyev entered the Fairy Tale kindergarten and killed the sleeping six-year-old Kirill Savenkov with a knife. The offender explained his actions by reading a spell in the book about eternal life and wealth, and for its execution it was required to kill a small child. Given the fact that the child killer was previously treated by a narcologist, one should not be surprised at the fact that he is generally recognized as insane and, having treated a couple of years in a madhouse, they will be released as healed.


Infanticide Denis Pozdeev


In the Kirinsky district of the Transbaikal Territory on October 27 2019 four schoolchildren, two of whom were 15 years old, and two more were 16 years old, entered a private house where they killed an 40-year-old man before his death and raped his wife with a poker and a bottle. Despite their age, two of the juvenile delinquents were already convicted.


Transbaikal geeks. Seemingly ordinary children


Considering that for some reason, life imprisonment is not assigned to women, as well as to persons who have committed crimes under the age of eighteen, and men who have reached the age of sixty five by the time the court pronounces, geeks will receive a maximum of 10 years of imprisonment and “for good behavior ”will be released in 20-25 years. They have a long life ahead of them, the question is how many more times in their life will they be in the zone and how many corpses and cripples will be left behind?

Such "News"Can be found on hundreds of articles, here are a few excerpts from criminal news:

On 18 of September 2019, a Sverdlovsk court sentenced him to life imprisonment in the colony of the special regime of Nikolai Ageev, who was sentenced to 2006 years in prison in 16. After his early release in 2017, he managed to attack several stalls, hammer his friend and rob the murdered woman. After he beat to death an accidental passerby, and then raped and drowned the nine-year-old stepdaughter.

In mid-August 2019, investigators opened a criminal case after the death of a two-year-old child as a result of beatings in Primorye - the 21-year-old stepfather beat the girl to death.

In August 2019, a verdict was passed on the 44-year-old resident of Bratsk, who killed a nine-year-old schoolgirl. He lured the girl into the garage, where he raped and killed her. “The court sentenced the defendant to punishment in the form of 20 years of imprisonment with the sentence being served in a maximum security colony.” Why not lifelong?

In late July, a resident of Transbaikalia was sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of a stepson. A drunk man beat a five-year-old boy with a fly swatter for refusing to learn to read. After that, he also threw the child to the floor several times. Earlier, the killer regularly beat his roommate. The court also found him guilty of three thefts.



Summary of crimes committed in the 2019 year. On the website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation the number of violent crimes, including those committed against minors, is not disclosed


The question arises: to what extent does society need to go to understand that existing measures to combat such crimes are practically inoperative?

The death penalty


When someone speaks of the death penalty, then immediately there is someone else who says that crime must be fought with other methods: to increase the detection rate, the standard of living of citizens, to prevent and prevent crimes. All this is absolutely correct and necessary, just like "world peace." But what if the situation is neglected, if it is out of control?

Outpatient treatment is always more attractive than surgical, but if gangrene has begun, amputation is necessary, otherwise the body faces death. Nationally, the rise in crime can be compared to the occurrence of gangrene.

The main objection to the death penalty is the risk of its execution in relation to the innocently convicted. Such a risk does exist, but there are quite real ways to minimize it.

First, it is necessary to ensure the absolute transparency of the investigation and sentencing. Currently, these materials are often closed to the public. If we exclude specific crimes in the field of state security or the economy, then there is no reason to hide information about the investigation of the crime from the moment when the case was sent to court.

Secondly, to postpone the execution of a sentence of 5-10 years. An innocent in this case can make every effort to prove his innocence, while the real criminal will count the days before execution (although he certainly will try to get an acquittal).

Thirdly, to sentence to unconditional capital punishment after three violent crimes with consequences that entailed damage to the health of moderate and lesser gravity, sexual crimes against minors. Probability theory works here. Even if police officers were incompetent or corrupt, it is impossible to imagine a combination of circumstances when an innocent person managed to be jailed for such crimes three times.

There is one more “humanistic” objection to the death penalty, based on the assertion of the pricelessness of human life and reasoning in the style of “not you gave, not for you to take away”.

What can be said about this? Human life is priceless at the moment when a person receives it, i.e. in a newborn child, and then some period of time remains as such. Further, by his actions and way of life, a person either confirms the value of his life, or refutes it. To speak of the invaluable nature of human life for all, without exception, is to equate those who treat people, put out a fire or bake bread, to rapists, pedophiles, murderers and other sub-degenerates.

There is still such a “defensive” statement that life imprisonment is a more severe punishment than the death penalty. And life-long prisoners themselves say that it would be better if they were shot. But all this is nonsense. None of them, almost none, voluntarily choose the death penalty as an alternative to life imprisonment. Man is a creature that adapts to everything. So the “lifelong” ones adapt - eat, sleep, come to faith in God, somehow entertain themselves and hope, be sure to hope to go out, for which they write to the high authorities petitions for clemency.

Some cite the absence of the death penalty in Europe and the lower level of crimes in them compared to the Russian Federation. But there are other examples of countries that are more similar to Russia in terms of territory, number and composition of the population in which the death penalty is actively used and no one is going to abandon it.

As for the countries of Europe, although this is sad, but hordes of wild migrants may well raise the level of crime to the level where in these countries they will also think about the return of the death penalty.


The death penalty in the world. Data for 2011 year



The death penalty in the world. Data for 2011 year


Separately, we can mention the financial side of the issue. At the end of 2015, the Federal Penitentiary Service (FSIN) spent 303 billion rubles. budget funds. Expenditures from the federal budget per one prisoner in 2015 amounted to 469 thousand rubles. (according to the FSIN, formally the content of one prisoner costs about 60 thousand rubles). The most significant funds go to prisoners serving life sentences or serving sentences in maximum security colonies. Huge amounts of money that can be used for health and education go to the maintenance of rapists and murderers.


FSIN Budget Indicators for 2015-2018


In general, the attitude of the state on this issue is completely incomprehensible. Well, let’s say that toughening anti-corruption legislation may contradict the interests of certain groups, after all, bees against honey and all that, but what are the arguments of those who defend the right to life of infanticides, rapists and sadists? After all, the return of the death penalty will have a positive effect on the rating of trust in the government, which has been thoroughly spoiled recently.

What measures should be implemented when returning the death penalty?


1. To exclude the joint placement of prisoners serving sentences for violent crimes and non-violent crimes, delimiting them not only with cameras, but also with zones / prisons / colonies, completely excluding contact between these groups of prisoners. A similar distinction should be made by age categories: 14-18 years, 18-50 years, 50 and more years.

2. Exclude all restrictions such as “life imprisonment is not assigned to women, as well as to persons who have committed crimes under the age of eighteen years, and men who have reached the age of sixty-five by the time the court pronounces”. Everyone should be equal before the law, it is not clear why a woman, teenager or sixty-year-old man should receive less punishment for the atrocious crime than the rest. Are we encouraging them to commit these crimes?

3. Reduce the minimum age for committing serious crimes to 14 years. It's sad, but the monstrous increase in juvenile delinquency leaves no other choice. This has already been done in the USSR, and there are no prerequisites for the fact that this cannot be done now in Russia.


Vladimir Georgievich Vinnichevsky 1923 year of birth. The youngest serial killer in the USSR, sentenced to death and shot in 17 years by the sentence of a Soviet court. Convicted of eighteen attacks on children aged two to four years in 1938-1939 years, eight attacks of this number ended in killings



Arkady Vladimirovich Neiland of the 1949 year of birth, who committed a double murder in Leningrad and in 15 years was sentenced to death by the Soviet court for this. He committed the murder of a woman and a three-year-old child in 14 years, the day before his fifteenth birthday.


4. Ensure absolute transparency of the investigation and sentencing from the moment of transfer of materials to the court. And if there is no threat to the investigation, then at all stages of the investigation. This will provide an opportunity for public scrutiny and reduce the likelihood of conviction for an innocent.

5. Create an official state Internet resource on which all materials of the investigation into the case of a person sentenced to death will be openly published. Materials about the victims (photos, real names, etc.) should be published with the consent of the victims or relatives. Similarly to the previous paragraph, this will provide the possibility of conducting public control, reduce the likelihood of a guilty verdict being pronounced against an innocent, and will also give moral legitimacy to the sentence.

6. Provide a delay in the execution of a sentence of 5-10 years. This will make it possible to minimize the execution of the sentence (death penalty) in respect of the innocent.

7. Sentenced to unconditional capital punishment after three violent crimes with consequences resulting in harm to the health of moderate and less serious, sex crimes against minors. These are repeat offenders, they are incorrigible, they will not stop. In the zones sits a huge number of pedophiles, rapists and murderers with two or more sentences for committing violent crimes. Their destruction will give not only an unambiguous message to those who are just about to embark on this path, but also significantly reduce the burden on law enforcement agencies. In the future, if this practice shows effectiveness, sentence to unconditional death after two such crimes.

8. The main means of executing the death penalty should be the execution. In some cases, for committing crimes against minors and crimes committed with particular cruelty - hanging. The execution process should be published on the official state Internet resource in accordance with paragraph 5.

What are the consequences of the return of the death penalty?


1. Less will be nonhumans, physically less.

2. Crimes will be less, especially violent and serious. No matter how the criminals roam, they really want to live. In any case, the direct effect will be, i.e., they will commit crimes, but less often and more carefully, trying not to fall under the firing squad.

3. There will be fewer repeat offenders. Even if someone committed a crime, the chance to get a bullet after a relapse will stop, if not all, then many.

4. The load on law enforcement agencies will be reduced, which will increase the efficiency of crime detection and the quality of sentencing.

5. The conditions of detention in prisons will improve, which in theory should re-socialize the criminals, and not prepare them for new crimes.

6. Significantly reduced financial costs for the maintenance of criminals in proportion to the actual decrease in their number. The saved money can be allocated to a separate fund, which can be directed, for example, to orphanages or to treat children who are now raising funds throughout the country.

7. Russia will be expelled from PACE. It’s also not bad, we’ll save money on dues and business trips of officials.

8. The faith of Russian citizens in justice will increase. It is not easy to quantify, but it is extremely important from the point of development of civil society.

In conclusion, I would like to quote a few paragraphs about the applicability of the death penalty for killing a child from the wonderful book "Star Troopers" by American writer Robert Heinlein:
“In appearance, this Dillinger was the same as everyone, his manners and documents did not inspire any suspicion. It seems that he was one of those pathological personalities about whom they write: "At first, they are no different from normal people."
Well, if it was impossible to keep him from doing such things, then there really is an opportunity to prevent him from repeating them. She was found.
If Dillinger understood what he was doing, although it was impossible to believe in it, then he probably should have understood what he would do for it. It is only a pity that he suffered much less pain and anguish than his victim - he did not suffer at all.
Well, if he was - which is more like the truth - just nuts and did not realize what he was doing? As then? Well - mad dogs are being shot, right?
Yes, but madness is still a disease ...
Here I saw only two exits. If he is incurable, then it is better for him to die - and others are safer. Or it can be cured. In this case, he would be cured so that he would be acceptable to society ... and would understand what he had done while he was ill - what would he then have to do except suicide? How could he get along with himself ?!
And if he had escaped before they could cure him, and again did something like that? Or maybe the third time? What then could be said to parents who have lost children?
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  1. solzh 8 November 2019 15: 06 New
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    I am with both hands for the return of the death penalty. The bastard who killed or committed violence against the child does not have the right to life, even in life imprisonment.
    1. Voyager 8 November 2019 15: 11 New
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      This is, frankly, a question. The worst punishment for killing children should be used so that these freaks do not even have thoughts because of fear of consequences, but is such a quick death penalty?
      1. Spartanez300 8 November 2019 15: 20 New
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        Definitely, the death penalty should be introduced for all kinds of maniacs and other ghouls. To kill a person means to die himself. Of course, with some exceptions, such as self-defense.
        1. APES 8 November 2019 15: 46 New
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          perpetrator of child abuse
          - such people do not live long, they are sentenced "by definition"
          I would introduce the automatic death penalty for the 3 condemnation (crime) - regardless of the severity
          I would introduce automatic sending to a maximum security camp for any 2 conviction
          "stumbled" for the first time depending on the severity - according to the decision of the carrier commission (and in any case at 101 km) personal responsibility for this "person" - the main thing is to exclude their communication with the "repeat offenders"
          1. raw174 8 November 2019 16: 43 New
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            Quote: APES
            I would introduce the automatic death penalty for the 3 condemnation (crime) - regardless of the severity

            Just to wave a saber ... A peasant is a fan of drinking, in principle it is usually harmless, but drunk he gave a drinking companion in the face, albeit with a stick, here he was given 115 hours. 2 Criminal Code was fined, then he took and stole an aluminum bed from his neighbor, for hours 1 tbsp. 158 they give him a half or two probation, after he went to the store to steal a bottle of vodka, the seller saw him, called out, but he ran away, and this is already Art. 161 of the Criminal Code, grave, they will give real, taking into account past "merits", two years in common ... But do you propose to shoot him? .. Is it not excessive? ..
            1. pv1005 8 November 2019 18: 03 New
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              Quote: raw174
              Do you propose to shoot him? ..

              Do you offer to understand and forgive? request
              1. raw174 8 November 2019 21: 11 New
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                Quote: pv1005
                Do you offer to understand and forgive?

                No, planting for 3-4 years or more is enough ...
            2. gvozdan 8 November 2019 19: 34 New
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              Such a peaceful drunk later switched to spice and killed a child in kindergarten.
              1. raw174 8 November 2019 21: 17 New
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                Quote: gvozdan
                Such a peaceful drunk later switched to spice and killed a child in kindergarten.

                Yes, it may or may not go over ... We have not yet invented the time machine and we cannot find out in advance ... Do you think it is normal to execute people by assumption? A quiet alcoholic lives near me, drinks every day for many years. It doesn’t do anything bad to anyone, let’s execute, he’ll suddenly think of something when he’s drunk! He was awarded the medal "For Courage", 1 Chechen ...
                1. exalibor 9 November 2019 08: 03 New
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                  so it’s like I understand that he doesn’t steal and doesn’t kill anyone ... there are no complaints against him ... so this is not an example ...
            3. g1v2 9 November 2019 00: 51 New
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              These are comrades like this little man who have been poisoning the lives of all neighbors for years. I do not think that such people should be shot, but to isolate them from society is definitely. Any mines, sawed, northern latitudinal passage or something else. Let them work for the good of the country.
              And on the death penalty, in principle, I agree with the author, except for the execution for 3 crimes. The death penalty is a serious deterrent to a professional lesson. It’s clear that she’s not a hindrance to a maniac, but she doesn’t want to catch the sub-firing article for the robber. When choosing - kill a random witness and risk the tower or intimidate and risk the term, he can choose the risk of the term.
              And of course, I don’t see the point of keeping for decades several thousand nonhumans at the expense of the state. If they still worked, then okay. But just keeping them in a cage in my opinion is pointless. The highest measure of social justice and the nameless grave.
              Well, about innocence. You can enter a mandatory check after the sentencing or before the truth serum or something else. SP-117 for example. request
          2. olegfbi 8 November 2019 17: 47 New
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            "stumbled" for the first time depending on the severity - by decision of the carrier commission (and in any case 101 km)

            I bet on anything that applies to you personally and to me, and to almost any citizen, with the exception of minors and non-judges, you can find and apply the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
            Yes, of course, this is the very application \ attraction depends on so many circumstances, and first of all on the honesty of law enforcement, BUT it is possible!
            Are you ready to personally apply everything written to yourself ...?
            Because minus and bold.
            p \ s Essentially the article. I am for lifting the moratorium on the death penalty!
            1. APES 8 November 2019 19: 31 New
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              The essence of my thought is that percent of 90 crimes are committed by the same people - who enter the institute, and someone receives education in other places. For example, hazing in the army in its most perverse form appeared after a decision was made to call on criminals. My opinion is that you need to shoot a rabid dog, shoot wolves too, and give undecided fools a chance to put a collar on them. You took everything too literally
              1. APES 8 November 2019 19: 45 New
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                I will supplement with an example:
                After Hitler came to power, the SS detachment checked the tickets in the tram; everyone who was without a ticket was put to the wall. The next day everyone bought tickets.
                1. New Year day 8 November 2019 20: 30 New
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                  Quote: APES
                  After Hitler came to power, the SS detachment checked the tickets in the tram; everyone who was without a ticket was put to the wall. The next day everyone bought tickets.

                  convincing example, no words. Then, as a test, you can try on embezzlers. For embezzlement in a particularly large size, the tower relied and with confiscation. It is significant to shoot a thief and take everything away from grandparents, aunts. Then there will be no colonel-billionaires. In the meantime, the more he stole from us, the shorter the time, and then they will also give the order.
                  1. Deck 9 November 2019 07: 07 New
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                    And who will conduct this execution? After all, at least not treasuries are needed. And why only those who get into the pocket of the state. And those who rob ordinary citizens? You meet them every day on the road. And for those who feed at enterprises, cafes, shops, farmers, factories? Colonels - will billionaires be shot by lieutenant colonels millionaires?
                    1. New Year day 9 November 2019 10: 01 New
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                      Quote: Deck
                      And why only those who get into the pocket of the state. And those who rob ordinary citizens?

                      with whom to start!
                      Quote: Deck
                      Colonels - will billionaires be shot by lieutenant colonels millionaires?

                      Do you think that there are no honest people left in Russia?
                      1. Waddimm 10 November 2019 11: 40 New
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                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Do you think that there are no honest people left in Russia?

                        Honest in Russia no less and no more than in other countries!
                        However, the system is built in such a way that the honest ones either become dishonest or leave the system!
                  2. Sergei71 11 November 2019 05: 25 New
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                    otherwise they will give the order.

                    St. Andrew the First-Called. wink
                2. Doliva63 9 November 2019 18: 49 New
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                  Quote: APES
                  I will supplement with an example:
                  After Hitler came to power, the SS detachment checked the tickets in the tram; everyone who was without a ticket was put to the wall. The next day everyone bought tickets.

                  I often heard this nonsense in Germany, but when asked about confirmation at least with a thread, they simply shrugged. laughing
                  1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 17 New
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                    Alas, no: my wife’s grandmother spent the entire occupation in Poltava (Ukraine). The Germans literally a couple of days after the occupation began in September 1941, restored the rails and resumed the movement of suburban trains. Well, they arranged a check of tickets on local trains. Two caught unlucky people were shot and put to stand in the cabinets with glass walls as a warning to the residents ... How much they stood, the grandmother does not remember exactly, but for about a week for sure. And - there were no “hares” in trains until the evening of September 22, 1943, and at dawn on September 23, 1943, Poltava was released. There are photographs (a mixture of b / w and color) of occupied Poltava, but I don’t remember exactly this fact in the photo; By the way, on the Internet, these photos can also be seen - there are few of them, something about 15-20 pcs.
                    1. Doliva63 13 November 2019 19: 39 New
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                      Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                      Alas, no: my wife’s grandmother spent the entire occupation in Poltava (Ukraine). The Germans literally a couple of days after the occupation began in September 1941, restored the rails and resumed the movement of suburban trains. Well, they arranged a check of tickets on local trains. Two caught unlucky people were shot and put to stand in the cabinets with glass walls as a warning to the residents ... How much they stood, the grandmother does not remember exactly, but for about a week for sure. And - there were no “hares” in trains until the evening of September 22, 1943, and at dawn on September 23, 1943, Poltava was released. There are photographs (a mixture of b / w and color) of occupied Poltava, but I don’t remember exactly this fact in the photo; By the way, on the Internet, these photos can also be seen - there are few of them, something about 15-20 pcs.

                      We are here for Germany. But I was not in Poltava, I can’t judge.
                  2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 20 New
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                    In Germany, people are law-abiding since the Middle Ages - the authorities and the church with the Holy Inquisition did not educate people in this regard, so such measures after Hitler came to power, I think, were superfluous.
                3. Rzzz 11 November 2019 19: 38 New
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                  It is believed that this is a bike. It is painfully actively retelling.
            2. Petrol cutter 8 November 2019 21: 03 New
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              * I’m betting on anything that applies to you personally and to me, and to almost any citizen, with the exception of minors and non-judges, you can find and apply the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. *
              The true truth. With my great desire, it’s possible to apply so many articles to me personally that the execution (as a whole) is simply the grace of the Lord.
          3. Kosta153 8 November 2019 19: 58 New
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            - Such people do not live long, they are sentenced "according to the concepts of" Who is sentencing? Yes, do not give a damn to everyone. You touch this, and they immediately run into an asset - you’ll grab grief. Who needs an appendage? Believe me, I know what I'm writing about.
          4. Petrograd 8 November 2019 23: 00 New
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            Quote: APES
            and in any case 101 km

            Andrei, and beyond the 101st km., Don’t people live ???
            1. Geo⁣ 9 November 2019 01: 07 New
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              Yes, here they write in the subject, such a feeling, half of some fictional world. A strange sensation from reading their comments
        2. xax
          xax 8 November 2019 23: 37 New
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          An article on self-defense is the most “defenseless” in our Criminal Code. For it to work as it should - a public outcry is needed, dad is a deputy, a lot of money or a miracle. Do you have any of the above?
          First you need to edit this article, then work out its enforcement, accumulate practice and edit the content based on the experience gained. And only then you can talk about something like your proposal.
      2. Cut Samshitov 8 November 2019 15: 22 New
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        Very beautifully said about openness and transparency. The Soviet system was also considered the most transparent and fair. And now let's recall how many people were sentenced in the Chikatilo case. I am definitely for the increase in LIFE sentences, so that ki are expelled from society, but that there is an opportunity to correct the mistake.
        1. ilimnoz 8 November 2019 16: 21 New
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          at whose expense the banquet. let relatives pay for the maintenance, even for the bullet for the execution of the sentence. it’s easier to keep a couple of executioners than the thousands of guards.
          1. 210ox 8 November 2019 17: 12 New
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            Not bad idea. Because there will be no return to execution. And then suddenly in the near future, the current arbiters of fate will be at the last line? Yes, and entail problems for them in the present. After all, they will expel him from the geyser, and there are sweet business trips.
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          3. Tavrik 8 November 2019 19: 53 New
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            At their expense. To do this, revive the penal institution. To work from morning to night with the prospect of “gluing fins” in five to six years.
            1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 23 New
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              I support it! This is very correct!
          4. Geo⁣ 9 November 2019 01: 01 New
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            Quote: ilimnoz
            at whose expense the banquet. let be

            Komrad wrote to you about the possibility of a system error and the non-zero probability of executing an innocent. Lifetime - the opportunity to correct the mistake and release the innocent into the will. And the innocent - who? An ordinary taxpayer is the same as you. Those. who will not be executed by mistake in case of what? Yes you!
            Komrad wrote to you about the benefit of society from the isolation of scum. And who is this society for you in the first place? You. It means good for you.
            And if you are the beneficiary in all cases, then who should you pay? You. Those. ordinary taxpayer.

            Everything is simple and clear. Is not it?
          5. pudelartemon 9 November 2019 22: 36 New
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            By the way, they did in fascist Germany.
        2. raw174 8 November 2019 16: 59 New
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          Very beautifully said about openness and transparency.

          In criminal proceedings, transparency comes sideways, it is harmful. Firstly: in most cases, the victims do not want publicity, especially for wear and tear, etc., and for property crimes people do not want publicity ... Secondly: the publicity will reveal witnesses who can be pressured at any stage affairs, both by society and by the party of the offender. Thirdly, transparency will give rise to a lot of opinions of deletants who do not see the forests behind the trees, but who will harass and introduce the same deletants into the fog.
          In general, I am for the death penalty, mainly for economic reasons, but only for a narrow series of articles, such as infanticide (depending on the identity of the perpetrator and motives), crimes against sexual integrity, and especially serious ones.
        3. krops777 10 November 2019 08: 27 New
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          Very beautifully said about openness and transparency. The Soviet system was also considered the most transparent and fair. And now let's recall how many people were sentenced in the Chikatilo case.


          So the author speaks about improving the system of punishments in order to eliminate a mistake. To give a tower only at 100% proof, if even the slightest doubt changes the term for life.
          1. Cut Samshitov 10 November 2019 14: 57 New
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            Quote: krops777
            Very beautifully said about openness and transparency. The Soviet system was also considered the most transparent and fair. And now let's recall how many people were sentenced in the Chikatilo case.


            So the author speaks about improving the system of punishments in order to eliminate a mistake. To give a tower only at 100% proof, if even the slightest doubt changes the term for life.

            How many I saw people who went to court with a bank agreement on hand and 100% confident that they were right ..... Who will give a conclusion about 100% evidence? The prosecutor and the judge, whom the authorities said "understand in two weeks?"
      3. Horon 8 November 2019 15: 57 New
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        Execution by "quick death" is a warning to potential criminals, but not a punishment for the executed. It also guarantees the protection of other citizens from further crimes of this organism.
        PS In my opinion, it’s not worth it! After his fault has been precisely determined and all the deadlines have come out, close them for a month in a steel chamber without food and water, alone with himself or with the same organisms. Somewhere in the depths. Whatever they were invisible, inaudible, and if God forgives them - does not allow them to die without water and food, then it can be transferred to life. And so ... if he really realized, he would smash his head against the wall, no - no one killed him, he died!
        1. To be or not to be 8 November 2019 19: 39 New
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          25 August 2019, 15: 16
          Alena Makarenko
          A moratorium on the death penalty was imposed on Russia and destroys the country. This was stated by the deputy of the State Duma from the LDPR, Alexander Sherin. He shared his opinion in a conversation with the Telegram channel “Rise”.
          The official agreed that it is necessary to lift a moratorium on the death penalty, since it is imposed on Russia.

          “All these things, imposed on our country under the pseudo-human values ​​that Europe promotes, are done deliberately to destroy our country,” Sherin said.

          According to him, a moratorium on the death penalty destroys the country. Despite this, the deputy refused to raise the issue, since the president should deal with it. "" "
          https://360tv.ru/news/obschestvo/deputat-gosdumy-vystupil-za-otmenu-smertnoj-kazni/
          1. MrFox 10 November 2019 10: 18 New
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            Destroy the country is not maniacs but thieves. This topic is another attempt to distract people's attention from what is really important.
      4. Svarog 8 November 2019 18: 38 New
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        This is, frankly, a question. The worst punishment for killing children should be used so that these freaks do not even have thoughts because of fear of consequences, but is such a quick death penalty?

        My attitude is absolutely the same as yours. the kov who kill rape children and other maniacs must be executed ... but somehow very sophisticated .. so long and painfully .. In relation to all other crimes, I am against. Especially considering our "perfect" justice ..
        You shouldn’t shoot the embezzlers .. let them work it out, complete confiscation including all relatives on the seventh knee and work in uranium mines, cut down the forest with a jigsaw ..
        1. sharp-lad 8 November 2019 19: 01 New
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          hi The embezzlers are the most sophisticated killers! It seems that they didn’t stand nearby, didn’t point to anyone, but simply stole the opportunity to save the lives of many people. (For example, there was not enough money for expensive and effective drugs.)
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            hi The embezzlers are the most sophisticated killers! It seems that they didn’t stand nearby, didn’t point to anyone, but simply stole the opportunity to save the lives of many people. (For example, there was not enough money for expensive and effective drugs.)

            I agree, it’s not long to die .. but to work it out, and even with the confiscation of all relatives .. here it’s the most ..
            1. sharp-lad 8 November 2019 23: 10 New
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              To work out? This is vryatli. Highly paid posts will no longer be shining for them, and what they offer will not be enough even to pay for protection. hi
        2. TokarevT 8 November 2019 19: 03 New
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          Greetings!
          How about opening Detachment 731 for them?
          Immediately a lot of advantages:
          1. The rational use of living biomaterial;
          2. Creating a background on which similar subjects will not only not be haunted, so that they, at the first temptation (symptom), immediately run away to inform themselves so as not to become a "log".
          3. The positive religious component is also on the face: the judgment of God is worse than the human one, and here they will take care of the salvation of their soul: they will be cleansed for the Lord through maximum bodily suffering for the full entry of the purified soul into his kingdom.
          4. For society, there is great benefit, in addition to the natural science, in terms of complete moral satisfaction with regard to the inevitability of retaliation.
          1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 26 New
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            By the way, also an option!
        3. Lyuba1965_01 10 November 2019 20: 29 New
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          In some ways, embezzlers are worse than murderers, because they corrupt society, ruin the country, its economy.
      5. Rostislav Prokopenko 8 November 2019 20: 21 New
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        So they offer a delay of 5-10 years after the sentence.
    2. Nestorych 8 November 2019 15: 16 New
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      Even under the Soviet system, which was decent enough, 4 people were allowed to spend in the Chikatilo case !!
      1. bk316 8 November 2019 16: 45 New
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        in the Chikatilo case, 4 people were allowed to spend !!

        This is how the story is distorted; you don’t even have to lie, you just need to completely say a phrase.
        CORRECTLY SO:
        in the Chikatilo case, 4 people were allowed to spend, who committed several killings.
        What is wrong with that, when searching for Chikatilo, several more maniacs were discovered and eliminated?
        1. 210ox 8 November 2019 17: 15 New
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          As far as is known, one was executed by an innocent from Vitebsk
        2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 27 New
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          No, alas, there were a couple of innocents ... The police then did not even apologize to their relatives.
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    4. Vend 8 November 2019 15: 32 New
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      I am with both hands for the return of the death penalty. The bastard who killed or committed violence against the child does not have the right to life, even in life imprisonment.

      For such, death is too easy a punishment. It is necessary that they also be raped, every day, so that they themselves crawled into the noose.
      1. APES 8 November 2019 15: 51 New
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        [quote] death is too easy a punishment [quote]

        fortunately, a simple layman does not know what is happening in the White Swan
        1. APES 8 November 2019 15: 54 New
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          and most importantly - the inevitability of punishment
          and justice !!!
          and it happens like this:
          "The fatal accident that occurred in late February 2019 in the very heart of St. Petersburg shocked many. The black BMW X6, flying out onto the sidewalk, knocked passers-by like skittles. Then five people were under the wheels of a foreign car, two of whom died. The culprit of the fatal accident on Nevsky Avenue was arrested, but after serving six months, was again at large. Such a decision was made by the Kuibyshevsky District Court of St. Petersburg. "
        2. Lyuba1965_01 11 November 2019 23: 30 New
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          Whatever happens, but as long as a person is alive, he hopes.
          He still lives, albeit poorly, under guard.
          But those killed by these creatures do not live at all, they died a terrible death and lie in the ground.
          Of the parents live with the thought of a child who is no longer there.
          And I understand the desire of relatives that these scum cease to live and breathe at all.
          But these criminals are also supported by the taxes of the parents of their victims.
          As Catherine said: "In addition to the law, there must also be justice."
      2. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 34 New
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        Quote: Wend
        For such, death is too easy a punishment. It is necessary that they also be raped, every day, so that they themselves crawled into the noose.

        You can take the Chinese punishment for serious crimes.
      3. pv1005 8 November 2019 18: 07 New
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        Quote: Wend
        They must also be raped every day

        Who will rape? You?
        1. Vend 11 November 2019 10: 17 New
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          Quote: pv1005
          Quote: Wend
          They must also be raped every day

          Who will rape? You?

          Show off? Have you come up with a smarter one? Feel better? There are enough people in the zone who can do this. However, the administration ensures that there are no such cases. But if they do not follow, and this will be officially allowed for people convicted under such articles.
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            Quote: Wend
            Quote: pv1005
            Quote: Wend
            They must also be raped every day

            Who will rape? You?

            Show off? Have you come up with a smarter one? Feel better? There are enough people in the zone who can do this. However, the administration ensures that there are no such cases. But if they do not follow, and this will be officially allowed for people convicted under such articles.

            You are really nice people decide how you want to live by law or by concepts? yes
            1. Vend 14 November 2019 10: 00 New
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              Quote: pv1005
              Quote: Wend
              Quote: pv1005
              Quote: Wend
              They must also be raped every day

              Who will rape? You?

              Show off? Have you come up with a smarter one? Feel better? There are enough people in the zone who can do this. However, the administration ensures that there are no such cases. But if they do not follow, and this will be officially allowed for people convicted under such articles.

              You are really nice people decide how you want to live by law or by concepts? yes

              Yes, I have no problems with the definition, but you don’t know how to read, learn to understand what is written by the opponent.
      4. TokarevT 8 November 2019 19: 16 New
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        Analogue of Detachment 731 for them, I think, would be quite enough. Such a decision would surely satisfy the most demanding of the most diverse sectors of society.
      5. ver_ 10 November 2019 05: 40 New
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        ... put on the organs - at least it will be of some use ..
    5. neri73-r 8 November 2019 16: 51 New
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      I am for the death penalty, but not at the present time, since the quality of work of the operational, investigative, supervisory authorities and the court today is lower than the plinth. If the quality rises even to the USSR level of the years 80-85, then yes it is necessary to introduce for murderers, rapists and traitors, in short, as before.
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        Quote: neri73-r
        not at present, since the quality of work of the operational, investigative, supervisory authorities and the court today is lower than the plinth.

        An interesting opinion, but can a concrete example of an illegal court sentence be? Just to reinforce your words ... But it is advisable with reference to the decision, and not by the principle: "I know a person whose acquaintance I heard somewhere ..."
        1. neri73-r 8 November 2019 17: 30 New
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          Quote: raw174
          Interesting opinion

          I have been in this system since the beginning of the 90's and I know what I'm talking about, I understand that for you, most likely, my opinion is an empty phrase, but I expressed it (my opinion), you can not accept or accept it, it's your business. And if you continue the discussion, what do you mean by -
          Can a concrete example of an illegal court sentence be possible?
          ? If purely from a legal point of view, then any canceled or amended court verdict is illegal! So what do you mean by “illegal”? Let's define the concepts.
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            Quote: neri73-r
            Quote: raw174
            Interesting opinion

            I have been in this system since the beginning of the 90's and I know what I'm talking about, I understand that for you, most likely, my opinion is an empty phrase, but I expressed it (my opinion), you can not accept or accept it, it's your business. And if you continue the discussion, what do you mean by -
            Can a concrete example of an illegal court sentence be possible?
            ? If purely from a legal point of view, then any canceled or amended court verdict is illegal! So what do you mean by “illegal”? Let's define the concepts.

            If you have been in this system since 90's, why don’t you lift it above the baseboard? I have enough friends and classmates who say the opposite.
            1. neri73-r 8 November 2019 19: 40 New
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              Quote: Wend
              If you have been in this system since the 90s, why don’t you lift it above the baseboard?

              Sorry, it didn’t work out for me! laughing Law enforcement and judicial systems, like others, are a mirror of society, which society they are. Unfortunately, since 1986, about a year our society began to roll down. I’m not sure that the downward movement has stopped now, maybe it has only slowed down so far.

              Well, your question
              If you have been in this system since 90's, why don’t you lift it above the baseboard? I have enough friends and classmates who say the opposite.
              from the series - myself.
          2. olegfbi 8 November 2019 18: 10 New
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            I have been in this system since the beginning of the 90s and I know what I'm talking about

            If you know, then answer the simple question: What are the real chances for the investigator to terminate the criminal case due to the absence of an event or composition?
            In principle, I know the answer - Strive for absolute zero!
            Educational program about the principles and objectives of criminal proceedings? I can tell you, for example, to establish objective circumstances, expertise is required that can be carried out only in the framework of a criminal case. Not research or expert opinion, namely EXPERTISE!
            And today, the trail simply can’t stop the matter, because this is an EXTRAORDINARY EVENT! The bosses will “gobble up” the trace ... The statistics showered, the opera worked badly, they’ll deprive bonuses, etc. etc.
            What do you think?
            1. neri73-r 8 November 2019 19: 57 New
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              Quote: olegfbi
              If you know, then answer the simple question: What are the real chances for the investigator to terminate the criminal case due to the absence of an event or composition?

              You run a little bit, it does not need to be excited, then to stop. The problem with the termination of this is what they require to initiate "reinforced concrete" cases, which are dear to the court. Yes, indeed, in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is such a problem because of the stick system, discontinued cases are actually forbidden to cease, since this is a bad indicator for them, such as they did not inspect during verification actions (earlier 109, now 144 Code of Criminal Procedure). There are cases in which it is necessary to initiate a case and conduct a series of investigative actions (not only examinations) in order to verify whether there is a crime, but there are few of them and they are mainly in the RF IC system. The problem is wider and does not stand in the initiation and termination of cases, the problem is in the quality, in the training of specialist operas, investigators, prosecutors and judges. I have the opportunity to compare the level of training of these specialists then and now. There is an abyss between them. As an example, when I came to work, there was no opera in the regional department younger than 33 years old, they were the youngest, the average age was closer to 40! Now these are boys of the 21st 24 years old, 30 years old this is an old man. And, now, imagine a bandit with 8 convictions for robberies so under 46 and this opera of 24, what kind of conversation can there be between them ??? Who is there who will stab lol I’ll tell you more, they can’t get into the entrance, they won’t let me in, and it’s not that they would enter into the apartment to "talk" heart to heart! And so throughout the system - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Investigative Committee, the prosecutor’s office, the court, with the latter even worse, they recruit secretaries for judges, zero education, graduated from some legal vocational schools, ambitions beyond measure, came to beat off their bribes for study and / or getting a job ! For example, I do not want these "experts" and victims of the exam to judge me and I do not want you! This is so brief. hi Not to mention the use of the death penalty.
              1. olegfbi 8 November 2019 20: 05 New
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                Yes, indeed, in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is such a problem because of the stick system, terminated cases actually prohibit terminating

                the problem is in the quality, in the training of specialist operas, investigators, prosecutors and judges.

                This problem is global! But it does not follow from the fact that the oprera, the trackers (youth) are bad. The problem is in the SYSTEM !!!
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                  Quote: olegfbi
                  This problem is global! But it does not follow from the fact that the oprera, the trackers (youth) are bad. The problem is in the SYSTEM !!!

                  One helps the other roll down! The system can be quickly changed, but education and mentality, alas, no. In a brothel, if customers stop walking, they don’t move furniture, rearrange them, but they change staff! (with) love
                  1. olegfbi 8 November 2019 20: 15 New
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                    The system can be quickly changed, but education and mentality, alas, no.

                    It's right. But another thing is also true - the System “bends” people under itself and makes them useful to itself. Unsuitable “human material” system chews and disposes.
                    It’s simple, in my opinion, that something is wrong in the system, and people (opera, investigators, prosecutors) simply obey the current "rules of the game." It’s worth changing these rules and people will change quickly, and whoever doesn’t change will be “grinded” (they will put them in prison, kick them out ...).
                    1. neri73-r 8 November 2019 20: 37 New
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                      Quote: olegfbi
                      The system "bends" people under itself and makes them useful to itself.

                      And there it is!
                      Quote: olegfbi
                      Unsuitable “human material” system chews and disposes.

                      And how!
                      Quote: olegfbi
                      It’s simple, in my opinion, that something is wrong in the system, and people (opera, investigators, prosecutors) simply obey the current "rules of the game." It’s worth changing these rules and people will change quickly, and whoever doesn’t change will be “grinded” (they will put them in prison, kick them out ...).

                      I will be glad if so. But who will change? And you can only change from above, and try to break through to the top, THEY of those who can change can smell a mile away, like bears, they will not let you approach a cannon shot.
                      1. olegfbi 8 November 2019 21: 09 New
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                        THEY of those who can change can smell a mile away, like bears, for a cannon shot will not let you come.

                        This is the problem !!!
                        I agree with you on 100% !!!
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                        THEY of those who can change can smell a mile away, like bears, for a cannon shot will not let you come.

                        This is the problem !!!
                        I agree with you on 100% !!!

                        I understand that I am not well versed in this issue, and I also understand that one case does not change the trend. But however, my comrade, he served in the zone, immediately set himself a high human bar. And when the head of the zone (the owner) changed, then my friend was sent for further training at 3 of the month. He returned to the duty station already with the new chief, and even received the captain, without having a higher education. In this rank and retired.
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              Yes, perhaps I will agree with you. In mentovka now there is really only one youth, they are not bad guys, but there is little experience in both service and life ...
              1. neri73-r 9 November 2019 23: 25 New
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                Quote: raw174
                Yes, perhaps I will agree with you. In mentovka now there is really only one youth, they are not bad guys, but there is little experience in both service and life ...

                Of course, these are the realities of life, for example, I have not seen better, from my point of view, than the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, as well as comments and article-by-article material about them. There are no double interpretations, everything is clear, it is a pity that we were led to Anglo-Saxon transformations in the field of criminal justice. I was at a seminar organized by the judicial department of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2003, where there were gentlemen from the USA who did not hide the fact that they had written the Criminal Procedure Code to us on the “order of the Russian government” !!! am I ask them why you didn’t write to us what you have. Why can our crooks be silent (Article 51 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation) as you have, but you can also sing fables, like I was on the moon at the time the crime was committed, and you try to prove it otherwise. After all, with them, you can remain silent, but if you began to talk and lie, then you deceived the court and for this a separate article, with a separate term !!!!!!! fellow Secondly, I’m telling them why you didn’t prescribe the possibility of detaining the witness until he was interrogated in court (in the investigating authorities) so that he would not hide, he would disappear! Type gave testimony and is free, it's about homeless people and the same social group. And to me, without blinking, this fat one (US citizen, McDonald’s has not been canceled) states, ---- WE SURE FORGOTTEN! And he thinks where, sss ..., this native knows and thinks something! In short, they are holding for morons.
                And to everyone who wrote that there are normal people and young capable guys in the system, of course it is! good But unfortunately. they are not a critical majority, or rather they are not a critical minority that can "change the world." It is necessary to change the attitude towards people, it seems to me that the system that was under IVS, I’m not completely sure when you could be in prison, and then you were entrusted with the design bureau or the ministry, it was an interesting time !!! wassat But I’m not ready to live in it yet ....... maybe it’s ready! winked
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            Banned already!
        2. raw174 8 November 2019 21: 27 New
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          Quote: neri73-r
          So what do you mean by “illegal”?

          If we are talking about the canceled sentences, as part of the appeal, then it is normal practice when the system itself corrected its mistakes, this is prescribed by law. And an example when they unfairly punished (imprisoned) and did not justify there later? I'm sure this happens sometimes, is it often? Is it regular how some people talk about it? ..
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            Quote: raw174
            And an example when they unfairly punished (imprisoned) and did not justify there later? I'm sure this happens sometimes, is it often? Is it regular how some people talk about it? ..


            And how to identify them, there are a lot of cases when someone else takes theft, they take it on one, the opera is persuaded to take several episodes. Then he writes a complaint that during the theft he was sitting, for example, in a special detention center or for days. Check, the sentence is canceled. And if you go into the zone, then all the innocents are there. good
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 31 New
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        By the way, the guys shot in Belarus for allegedly a terrorist attack on the subway were obviously innocent, but it was necessary to find the guilty and Belarusian cops and their GB found suitable ones, convicted and shot. Here is an example, alas ...
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      Absolutely sensible remark.
      In the issue of the death penalty, as in many others, related to coercion and power, without an adequate national policy that determines, from the standpoint, first of all, of a nation-forming nation, what is good and what is evil, nothing at all.
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    Too bad I’ll call abruptly. The bastard who doused with alcohol and set fire to the cop in Budenovsk - the cop was guilty of opening fire from a service weapon - Makarov's pistol. realizing that there is an attack of terrorists ON Maternity hospital!
    And it would be better if the basayk was like a rainbow:
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      I would put the radish on the balance of the biological laboratory, I would bring a lot of benefit, and at the same time I would work out my paradise.
  3. Shelest2000 8 November 2019 17: 14 New
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    If these points were also supplemented:
    - from the second intentional crime of lines automatically doubles
    - triples from the third
    - fourth - Navy
    - "title" of a thief in law - automatically assigned to the Naval Forces
    1. Pessimist22 8 November 2019 17: 51 New
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      I am for the renewal of the sentence to hard labor of 10 years, this is the topic, 20 years of hard labor, it is worse than death.
  4. To be or not to be 8 November 2019 17: 47 New
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    In Nizhny Novgorod, taxi drivers beat a passenger to death for refusing to pay - video
    11:20 / 08.11.2019Stalin1 2080
    In Nizhny Novgorod, three taxi drivers killed a passenger for refusing to pay. The incident occurred on General Shtemenko Street on November 7 at about 17 p.m. As it became known, a taxi car with a passenger arrived at the destination address. The man refused to pay, after which the driver pressed the SOS button. Two colleagues came to his aid. As a result of the ensuing brawl, the passenger was beaten to death. Https: //e-news.pro/in-russia/00-v-nizhnem-novgorode-taksisty-do-smerti-zabili-passazhira-za-otkaz-platit-video.html
    In the video - Passenger staggers, obviously under the shaf. good .7 November !! A taxi driver saw someone getting into a car. And three of us for some smelly pieces of paper to kill the Beast!
    A moratorium on the death penalty, the novorishes, are afraid not to fall under such an article = billions are often stolen from the state. There are lots of examples in the media ...
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      Quote: To be or not to be
      In Nizhny Novgorod, taxi drivers beat a passenger to death for refusing to pay - video
      11:20 / 08.11.2019Stalin1 2080
      In Nizhny Novgorod, three taxi drivers killed a passenger for refusing to pay. The incident occurred on General Shtemenko Street on November 7 at about 17 p.m. As it became known, a taxi car with a passenger arrived at the destination address. The man refused to pay, after which the driver pressed the SOS button. Two colleagues came to his aid. As a result of the ensuing brawl, the passenger was beaten to death. Https: //e-news.pro/in-russia/00-v-nizhnem-novgorode-taksisty-do-smerti-zabili-passazhira-za-otkaz-platit-video.html
      In the video - Passenger staggers, obviously under the shaf. good .7 November !! A taxi driver saw someone getting into a car. And three of us for some smelly pieces of paper to kill the Beast!
      A moratorium on the death penalty, the novorishes, are afraid not to fall under such an article = billions are often stolen from the state. There are lots of examples in the media ...

      What, also love to ride in a taxi for free?
      And taxi drivers - they live every liter of gasoline per kilometer. Maybe the last refueled. You don’t know. And he needs something else to feed his family for dinner.
      Capitalism, what. What we dreamed about laughing
  5. karabass 8 November 2019 17: 55 New
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    So almost everyone was for - to punish the brutal criminals need BUT !!! canceled due to cattle trash - as one example - when they caught Chikatilo, it turned out that two of his crimes were shot and one was sitting. The last straw was when they didn’t have time to shoot (were sentenced to the highest degree) FIVE teenagers - hooligans (from one gang) But shortly before the execution they caught a maniac who committed this crime and all five of them confessed!
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      Karabass. Ivan, I invite March 29 to Perm or Berezniki. They will explain about cattle-garbage in detail and in detail. But it can be painful.
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      And if you recall June 1937, how quickly Tukhachevsky and his company confessed that they were enemies of the people and worked for German, English, French, Chinese, Guatemalan (and further on the list) intelligence. Well, it would be necessary, and that the maniacs would also confess! The system for the last and present century has not changed much, alas.
  6. bandabas 8 November 2019 19: 17 New
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    I agree with you completely. Only our DAMA and others like her will resist to the last. Because their offspring do not live in our kingdom-state.
  7. Rzzz 11 November 2019 21: 26 New
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    I have some doubts about how the matter was in Saratov. Too somehow quick and easy. Just a couple of days later, the villain was caught and he confessed everything.
    This is where the doubts come from. Indeed, the authorities and the police are most interested in such a quick and “accurate” decision. What prevents you from taking an arbitrary antisocial personality from the street that no one will defend, pumping hallucinogens to extract a confession, and drawing all the necessary evidence?
    Guys, I do not believe in our courts and law enforcement agencies.

    And I categorically do not like the excitement that began to unwind around this topic. Even the church joined - one of the supreme churchmen said some time ago that it was necessary to execute not only those who had committed crimes against people, but also those who were against the government. Moreover, this statement was immediately after the August rallies. It seemed that they were probing the topic. And it frightened us, because we had already learned how to conduct an investigation in one day, make a court decision too, it remained to return the “troika”, and article 58.
  • Livonetc 8 November 2019 15: 12 New
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    Question to the author.
    Andrei.
    And how do relatives of the murdered girl relate to the publication of her photograph?
    1. Shopping Mall 8 November 2019 15: 56 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      Question to the author.
      Andrei.
      And how do relatives of the murdered girl relate to the publication of her photograph?


      I thought about this issue, but a photo of the child has already been published in many media. I would definitely ask permission if I had contact details of my relatives and would be willing to delete it or retouch it upon request. I believe that for a better perception of the essence of what was done, people should see a contrast between the criminal and his victim.
      1. Livonetc 8 November 2019 16: 11 New
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        The contrast between the criminal and the victim is clear to every sensible person.
        And especially in the case when the victim is a child.
        My subjective perception.
        At least spread the location of the photo.
        The neighborhood, even virtual, of the bright image of the child and the disgusting infanticide is disgusting.
        1. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 38 New
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          Quote: Livonetc
          The neighborhood, even virtual, of the bright image of the child and the disgusting infanticide is disgusting.

          No need to injure relatives and other children with photographs of the victims. In Soviet times, it was limited.
      2. Geo⁣ 9 November 2019 10: 05 New
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        Article 4 "Media Law".
        Paragraph on juvenile victims.
        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_1511/

        Next.
        Quote: AVM
        ready to remove it or retouch on demand

        Do not wait until someone forces you to obey the law. It is necessary to execute it independently, guided by a civilian conscience, and not by rods in the hands of the overseer.

        Quote: AVM
        photo of the child has already been published in many media

        You don’t have to equal others either. You don’t know their situation - maybe they have permission from their parents or they’re just not averse to commit this crime
  • Mcar 8 November 2019 15: 13 New
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    Marginals showed. And where are the handsome economic crimes? Chubaysyatina there is different. For starters, it would not be bad to shoot everyone who warmed up their homeland from 10 lyam greens. That's right from the main tower and start. Well, if uprooted, so from the very root, from the very core.
    1. Voyager 8 November 2019 15: 17 New
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      Quote: McAr
      That's right from the main tower and start.
      Well, if uprooted, so from the very root, from the very core.

      If they started offering, speak directly, who exactly, under what article request
      1. Mcar 8 November 2019 15: 20 New
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        Quote: Voyager
        Quote: McAr
        That's right from the main tower and start.
        Well, if uprooted, so from the very root, from the very core.

        If they started offering, speak directly, who exactly, under what article request

        That is the consequence and the court. What did you think about?

        In my opinion, anyone who has stolen us with 10 lyam greens is worthy of a wall. But this is my subjective.
        1. stalki 8 November 2019 15: 35 New
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          In my opinion, anyone who has stolen us with 10 lyam greens is worthy of a wall. But this is my subjective.
          Not only yours, I join. And especially for children, especially at a cost.
      2. Mestny 8 November 2019 15: 28 New
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        And most importantly, specifically for what with the evidence.
        ... These wrestlers with rezhym are so greyhounds only until the same ones come to them. Dispose of in the name of revolution.
      3. Agieros 8 November 2019 15: 38 New
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        Article 285.1 paragraph 2. Now you can get the maximum on it for 5 years, just change to execution.
    2. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 43 New
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      Quote: McAr
      Chubaysyatina there is different. For starters, it would not be bad to shoot everyone who warmed up their homeland from 10 lyam greens.

      So we have two opinions on our site. I read and it seems that both are right. So this is not a simple question. One question, of course, should be without a doubt a priority, it is infanticide.
      1. Ruslan_1976 8 November 2019 22: 42 New
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        Chubais recently blurted out that people in the USSR were drunkards and parasites. This is so by the way
  • Nestorych 8 November 2019 15: 15 New
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    In today's investigation, the prosecutor's office and the court? !!! No. stop

    Now, after they throw off today's insignificance, for them, as a “whip” for restructuring the state bureaucratic system, for curbing banditry that has not been eliminated, and invariably raises its head during the period of the weakening state, it will undoubtedly be needed!
    An introduction for mere mortals, only after a complete reform of the investigation, prosecutors and the courts!
  • knn54 8 November 2019 15: 18 New
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    Saltykov-Shchedrin .. "The rigor of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-bindingness of their implementation."
    First you need to "cure" society.
    And how many "majors" were put in. For example, for an accident with a tragic outcome.
    I, too, for the "tower". And for traitors, incl.
    1. Mestny 8 November 2019 15: 30 New
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      How to cure him?
      Then out of 20 comments, two are already raving with foam at the mouth.
      Here only 3 MB will help, or what kind of virus.
      1. DEDPIHTO 8 November 2019 16: 10 New
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        Some never recognize that they are pathogenic microbes of a disease in society. And what the past decades has hurt society, if not selfishness and greed, everything else is only a consequence. Therefore, I am for the death penalty with an expanded list of candidates and, of course, not with the existing vicious system, where 40 !!! policemen easily shoot an obviously sick (strange behavior) Afghan veteran with two working machetes that did no harm to anyone.
    2. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 46 New
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      Quote: knn54
      I, too, for the "tower". And for traitors, incl.

      And who will be responsible for the anathema during the storming of the "White House".
      1. Doliva63 9 November 2019 19: 22 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: knn54
        I, too, for the "tower". And for traitors, incl.

        And who will be responsible for the anathema during the storming of the "White House".

        We have been answering for so many years. And others only get fat. Well yes. It’s their own fault that they bought cheap rhetoric. But the death penalty in our current unhealthy society is too much. First, it is necessary to abolish privatization, then punish those responsible for it, then re-educate people for about 10 years, and only then - the death penalty, is mandatory.
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          I agree with you, except one thing: how do abolition of privatization and the death penalty for pedophiles fit together?
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            I agree with you, except one thing: how do abolition of privatization and the death penalty for pedophiles fit together?

            Just like the death penalty for all others. For a certain amount, anyone can make a pedophile. That is, you must first remove such risks. And they are present in the consumer society by definition.
            1. Lyuba1965_01 11 November 2019 22: 34 New
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              Caught red-handed - the death penalty with a delay of one year.
              Caught a second time on this - the death penalty without trial.
              And who needs to be given money to put this bastard who abused the child and then killed him?
              Or who needs to be given money to land, who killed Lisa?
              Are they businessmen, politicians who interfere with someone and need to be removed?
  • hhhhhhh 8 November 2019 15: 19 New
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    Just start.
    First maniacs, then killers, etc. Judge and jury then also be shot if they made a mistake? How many people were shot while the chekatil was caught.
    The threat of punishment will not stop maniacs and drunkards.
    We are to blame for the rampant gangs of children. They wanted capitalism. Have a full spoon.
    1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 15: 40 New
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      What does capitalism have to do with it ?! children scumbags have always been. just now everything is open and you can’t hide anything. people are shocked at the amount of information that pours on it. understand they are not from TV or something else like that. there 90 percent is heredity.
      1. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 49 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        there 90 percent is heredity.

        Of course you are right in some ways, but you cannot introduce the Lombroso theory into the courts.
        1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 18: 19 New
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          Well this is already particular) I just reacted to the fact that it was capitalism that was to blame.
          1. hhhhhhh 8 November 2019 20: 26 New
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            In the USSR, the state needed children and there were circles and a school. Today it’s all for the money. Not everyone has them. And Russia needs only 5 million, the rest does not need either small or old.))))
      2. Doliva63 9 November 2019 19: 41 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        What does capitalism have to do with it ?! children scumbags have always been. just now everything is open and you can’t hide anything. people are shocked at the amount of information that pours on it. understand they are not from TV or something else like that. there 90 percent is heredity.

        I don’t remember the scumbag children in the 60-70s, I remember the children of the pioneers, the Red Rangers, the members of the DDPD, the Green and the Blue Patrols, and 2 sports sections for each. We still had a children's patrol that kept order in the yards. And now society is sick with capitalism - this is the whole thing, everyone must survive for himself. And the state is happy for this, because "the health of everyone is the health of the country" is already on his drum. In general, a long topic. Its quintessence is: capitalism is a dead end. And living in a dead end, you have to be careful, because tomorrow you will be let down under the article if you have a successful business, for example.
      3. Lyuba1965_01 10 November 2019 20: 59 New
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        No, not really.
        In the USSR there were, of course, scumbags.
        Only now they were afraid to show themselves.
        And they found the council at school, in the police.
        And now the lights have clogged everyone and are not afraid of anyone.
        Previously, at least somehow teachers, school principals were afraid
        Now you can calmly fry the teacher and there’s nothing to be snot for that, for he has hundreds of psychologists on his guard who will justify all his actions and expose the teachers to blame.
        Parents from this Yu are afraid once again to make a remark to the child.
        Raise children according to ugly manuals that say that a child should not be prohibited.
        It turns out that the teacher is completely powerless, parents are busy making money for a new car, an apartment, a trip to Turkey, the latest iPhone model for their beloved little one, so that it is no worse than others.
        Children from childhood are divided into grades: poor, rich.
        And the poor do not dare to sit down at the table with tea, if your parents did not give money for a cup of this cheap tea or did not chip in new curtains.
    2. Vladimir_2U 8 November 2019 15: 41 New
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      As it turned out, not a single one !! The only one whom you can somehow pull into this business is Kravchenko, but he was still a ghoul, fortunately he was.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 8 November 2019 15: 23 New
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    Serious question ... very serious. But this question is not for me, but for Yeltsin. Damn him forever and ever.
  • alavrin 8 November 2019 15: 31 New
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    Retribution should be necessary, but knowing how we like to increase the percentage of detection and of high-profile crimes, he doubted something ... I remembered how before the capture of Chikatilo two or three were sent to the next world as maniacs, and most importantly, they confessed everything. )
  • Agieros 8 November 2019 15: 35 New
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    I would say so, I am for the return of the death penalty, but not under the existing judicial system and not under the existing government. It’s just that at the moment it will simply become one of the levers of manipulation that is objectionable - now they’re just being planted, but they will be shot. And without any 5 years to wait, they’ll just somehow dodge how they change our laws by which it is possible to build shopping centers on cultural heritage sites. And without actually three attempts, one is enough. And it’s better to just hand out weapons to people and allow them to protect their lives and do not put them down for it.
  • carstorm 11 8 November 2019 15: 35 New
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    About transparency there is one but a very big BUT. the families of the victims do not need this. 99 percent will be against open investigations and courts. and they can be understood.
  • New Year day 8 November 2019 15: 38 New
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    In the choice of punishment, the most important question is for the police and the investigating authorities. How do they work now? They will shoot half the country with their success. There is no faith in their purification and optimization. With what daring they plant drugs undesirable, with the same daring they will attribute to anyone a murder. And with the venality of ships! There is no single answer
    1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 15: 46 New
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      Yes, now there is no such thing in droves as to throw drugs. it is fraught with employees who will go for it. the prosecutor’s office will be quicker on them than on a person who has never taken from whom zero in blood and even no prints on the packaging. it won’t reach the court. and operas who took this very strongly will pose. forget it.
      1. Tsoy 8 November 2019 16: 02 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        it is fraught with employees who will go for it.


        Yes? But what journalist did they plant drugs for them? Maybe fired? There was a photo of the drug laboratory and evidence of a wagon and a small cart, and then it turned out that everything was fabricated ...
        1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 16: 08 New
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          firstly, let's not confuse the order for which they pay and tossing drugs to everyone. it's different. the order is paid and the amount can beat off the brain to some, which basically happened. secondly was the result? no. it turned out to be enough just to raise the hype and everything was cool. ordering anywhere in the world can do the same. units can pay for it. but just so that it would be impossible to cut down a stick as it was years ago. just arranging it is long and expensive.
          1. Tsoy 8 November 2019 16: 14 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            units can pay for it.


            Well, you did not answer the question. Have you been punished by the opera? Are prosecutors excited? Not. And the difference is whether it was an order or not. The journalist was lucky, he is a public man. Many stood up for him. A simple guy from the province what will he do?
            1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 16: 24 New
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              I have no idea. I did not follow this. but at least I think everyone took off from work. and a simple guy who needs someone to pay for it? you did not hear me. firstly, for a case that will be brought on this seizure and will not be brought to court will be given a hat. if in court they lose they will give a hat. even a miserable lawyer for this seizure will destroy this case in court. to make it work you need to bind a person to this drug. find her at home or find traces of her at least. if you don’t use it, it means it sells. prove the fact of implementation. who needs this, tell me for the sake of some guy?) and someone journalist decided to punish him apparently and got confused. Sorry, the drug also costs money and not the smallest.
              1. Tsoy 8 November 2019 16: 32 New
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                They didn’t want to take the washings off the journalist. He would have been really imprisoned if the mass support action had not begun. And you say traces of drugs. He even suddenly found a drug laboratory, but then it turned out that it was not in his apartment but somewhere there, but after that it was a photo from another place but connected with the same case. You don’t hear me either. No one will order a simple guy, but if they want to put him in, neither the lawyer, nor the prosecutor, nor the court will help. And no matter why. Raise indicators or improve statistics. If even in such a high-profile case the counterweight system did not start working and the prosecutor's office kept silent until the last, then what can we talk about? Does the police mean everything is so corrupt? Not. I saw normal policemen. But one lousy dog ​​is an occasion to think.
                1. carstorm 11 8 November 2019 16: 59 New
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                  you leave this journalist already well. I repeat once again and who did it says that there was a specific order and a perl drill. their consequences were of little concern and apparently the price wasn’t the point. in theory, you can substitute anyone. it’s just very expensive and very difficult. As for statistics, I’ll repeat it again — operas can be taken, I don’t argue with that. and then what? will the investigation go to break the court later? there is no evidence, but will you plant him? for the sake of some do not understand anyone or statistics? it’s even different departments. ask any policeman you know. he will do it or not for the money even. he’ll twist a finger at your temple. it was and it is a fact, but now it is not. isolated cases. the error is no more. the judicial practice of evaluating the evidence necessary to convict a person of possession of drugs has become very tightened. This means that the mere fact of taking the drug from your pocket has long been completely insufficient. Other evidence needed
                  1. Tsoy 8 November 2019 18: 53 New
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                    You write as it should be, but in reality everything is somewhat different. Need more evidence? Who needs them? A journalist is just the same indicator. And here they didn’t go ahead, but did as usual just after it all surfaced. Don't like the journalist’s business? You are welcome. Now the man is being tried for the fact that the bottle thrown by him at the rally frightened three policemen. Well, how will a lawyer or prosecutor’s check help you in this matter? Understand that there has long been no separation into law enforcement. All for one. To tell how many courts pass acquittals in the Russian Federation? 1,5 percent. Under Stalin, there was 3. This means that if you are accepted then 98,5 percent of 100 you will receive a deadline. Such a thing as abuse of authority or insufficient evidence works only for officials and those in power. Otherwise, forward to the stage and it doesn’t matter a little or a lot of evidence.
                    1. carstorm 11 9 November 2019 01: 26 New
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                      what does it have to do with it? firstly, what about the drug cases in question? and secondly, I don’t give a damn about those who throw bottles at the meetings at the police. judge and do right. and third, where does the officials or those in power have to do with it? Decide to whom you have a complaint already. to the police that is looking bad for them? or to a court that should condemn you without them? You know, I live among people and not in the forest, and somehow they don’t plant or close anyone. Do not condemn and are not taken to stages. Do you understand?
            2. Andrey VOV 9 November 2019 07: 45 New
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              Dismissed operas and department heads
          2. karabass 9 November 2019 11: 54 New
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            This summer, a kelher was stolen from a woman, a deputy of the regional Duma, in Dubovka, Volgograd Region. The case was quickly opened and a criminal was brought to her dacha (a man of about 30). When she interrogated him, she quickly found out that it was not he who had stolen. After she arranged a terrible distribution of operas, she called the chief of the Internal Affairs Directorate and scolded him.
            SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO INTRODUCE THE DEATH PENALTY WITH OUR BODIES How many innocent people are shot at - it’s scary to think!
        2. AU Ivanov. 8 November 2019 16: 50 New
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          Are you sure that the cops planted substances for this scribbler? In general, he stepped on a lot of corn and he had more than enough ill-wishers.
        3. Local from the Volga 8 November 2019 22: 03 New
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          Dismissed, at the personal request of the Minister to the President!
      2. New Year day 8 November 2019 16: 39 New
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        operas who took this very strongly in the pose of

        Moscow walks and even sue Glavk for dismissal. The investigation has abated. This is in Moscow with such a resonance. But in Russia, the farther from Moscow, the more “lawful” justice is.
    2. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 54 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      With what daring they plant drugs undesirable, with the same daring they will attribute to anyone a murder. And with the venality of ships!

      So far in punitive bodies a big argument decides the "golden calf" early to introduce the Navy.
    3. Svarog 8 November 2019 18: 43 New
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      In the choice of punishment, the most important question is for the police and the investigating authorities. How do they work now? They will shoot half the country with their success.

      good that's for sure .. all the unwanted, put to the wall ..
    4. Doliva63 9 November 2019 19: 46 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      In the choice of punishment, the most important question is for the police and the investigating authorities. How do they work now? They will shoot half the country with their success. There is no faith in their purification and optimization. With what daring they plant drugs undesirable, with the same daring they will attribute to anyone a murder. And with the venality of ships! There is no single answer

      Don’t lie! The authorities said that with the policemen this is impossible, this is not the police! And as long as the people vote for it (power), it is so!
    5. saigon 10 November 2019 09: 31 New
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      I read the comments and quietly roam! People understand to shoot, not to shoot the second question, but the phrases about delaying the conduct of the death penalty due to the police, the UK, and the courts are just scary.
      Distrust of the right to the guards is over the top, that’s where the problem is and how to fix it is not clear.
  • d.olegov44 8 November 2019 15: 41 New
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    The death penalty 2019. The time has come?


    Суду доверяют 14% россиян (https://www.rbc.ru/society/22/05/2018/5b04004f9a7947693c8553c5).

    69% of Russians favor the return of the death penalty (https://ria.ru/20191101/1560486013.html).

    What is the name of this disease?
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      What is the name of this disease?

      schizophrenia
  • Thrifty 8 November 2019 15: 42 New
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    I completely agree with the author on the main issue - mortal
    , execution must be restored as soon as possible.
  • Ezekiel 25-17 8 November 2019 15: 45 New
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    There must be inevitability of punishment and equality before the law. Situations when a daughter, say a judge, receives conditionally for two corpses should not be. As for the death penalty, it certainly must be present in the Criminal Code, but applied in the commission of military crimes in wartime. And for ordinary criminal practice, I would introduce her darling, BUT with a replacement for PLC without the right of pardon, with the content alone. Something like this.
  • nikvic46 8 November 2019 15: 56 New
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    There are those who, when asked how they will behave freely, they say that they will continue to kill. There are no such questions. If I were sure that only the guilty people were sitting with me, I would agree with the death penalty (shooting )
  • nikvic46 8 November 2019 16: 04 New
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    You can go another way. In absolute secrecy, imitate the death penalty. And in the press to inform that the sentence has been executed. Even if you introduce a decree on the death penalty, but not execute, it will reduce such crimes. Another stupidity.
    1. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 17: 59 New
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      You can go another way. In absolute secrecy, imitate the death penalty. And in the press to inform that the sentence has been carried out.

      All the same, when it comes up, the reaction will have very negative consequences. The court imposes punishment, not a measure of intimidation.
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 November 2019 11: 47 New
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      No it's not that. Suggest more options!
  • The leader of the Redskins 8 November 2019 16: 11 New
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    No no and one more time no! The death penalty is irreversibility. The history of Soviet and Russian jurisprudence knows examples when innocent people were condemned and executed for especially grave crimes "for show" or under pressure from above, from which confessions were simply gouged out.
    If such an innocent convict was serving a life sentence, then a citizen would have been returned to society, and not a piece of paper with an apology. So my opinion is NO!
    1. Saxahorse 8 November 2019 20: 49 New
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      If such an innocent convict was serving a life sentence, then a citizen would have been returned to society, and not a piece of paper with an apology. So my opinion is NO!

      And some are surprised why American judges sometimes jail for 400-500 years .. And so as not to return to parole without having served half!

      I am for the sharp expansion of life, both by age and by article. For any serious violent crimes committed repeatedly - in a cage. And since 12 years at least. But the tower, it is irrevocable. Even in "democracies", in just 20 years, they are justified. Because the more atrocities in a particular case, the more they demand to find and punish someone guilty.
    2. Jingibi 9 November 2019 05: 17 New
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      Here are directly "innocent" completely executed? The lion's share of those who received capital punishment, through grateful testimony, were repeat offenders or persons who had terms for heavy articles. Yes, they could not commit this crime for which they were executed, but they were not “innocent” either
    3. Lyuba1965_01 10 November 2019 21: 04 New
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      If you talk like that, you don’t have to do anything at all, because a mistake can always be.
      And the doctor should not treat the patient, because he may be mistaken and the patient will become worse as a result or he will die at all.
      However, we are being treated and recovering.
  • Ross xnumx 8 November 2019 16: 16 New
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    You know. The question of lifting the moratorium on the death penalty should be decided in a referendum. But I agree with the view that in today's judicial system this cancellation is premature. If a judicial machine gives real judicial terms for an abandoned paper cup and a banner, and for open calls for the physical elimination of dissidents, absolutely no reaction follows, if a kilogram of heroin found can be simply forgiven, if torture with a stun gun can be “repaid” with an oral apology , then who will give you guarantees that instead of a true killer or criminal, an innocent person will not be executed.
    Here the issue is complex and requires complete clarity. Somehow, one hundred percent evidence of involvement, the deadline for appeal, the severity and public danger of the crime. If everything indicates a criminal, then there must be one punishment for murderers of children and rapist-pedophiles - death.
    As for the 602200 convicts (data for 2018), the penal system should provide for the addition of sentences for all crimes, the convicts for the first time should be kept separately from the rest. Serving sentences should take place in closed MSW processing plants (free labor for the common good quickly ennobles. Such work does not require special qualifications, and the maintenance will be paid off with interest. Even if they make “red” plants ...
    The most important thing in our life is the inevitability of punishment and the absolute transparency of sentencing.
    1. tihonmarine 8 November 2019 18: 11 New
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      Here the issue is complex and requires complete clarity. Somehow, one hundred percent evidence of involvement, the deadline for appeal, the severity and public danger of the crime.

      I agree that the issue is very complicated. Here it is necessary to combine the systems of detention of criminals, investigation, defense and court. It is also necessary to divide all serious crimes into crimes against the state, against the individual, economic crimes. The old model in the version that was during the USSR was not particularly suitable. It is necessary to develop a new model. I'm not a lawyer, I can be wrong, but this is my opinion of a simple person.
    2. Alexzn 8 November 2019 21: 06 New
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      Strange logic ... why in a referendum not to decide whether income tax is needed? How to perform coronary artery bypass grafting?
      Maybe some issues can only be solved by experts in these matters?
  • Victorio 8 November 2019 16: 27 New
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    standing with a poster judicial machine gives real judicial terms,

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    where is it?

    murders are different, and judicial errors, too. that would further tighten the responsibility for the killings on the roads
  • AU Ivanov. 8 November 2019 16: 36 New
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    Lifetime labor in a particularly hazardous industry. Let the criminal finally benefit society. Cartridge, it costs money.
    1. Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 17: 31 New
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      You simply cannot imagine to what extent this is a squinting, degraded element.
      1. AU Ivanov. 8 November 2019 17: 54 New
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        Carry a wheelbarrow and comedians will come down.
  • Jerk 8 November 2019 16: 37 New
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    The strength of the law is not in its severity, but in the inevitability of punishment
  • Sun say 8 November 2019 16: 38 New
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    I think that the overwhelming majority of citizens of the Russian Federation would advocate such a measure! The government is aware of this, but due to political grounds, hands are tied in the implementation ...
  • Basarev 8 November 2019 16: 38 New
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    Against. While judging by hahalev courts, as long as there is a norm on sticks, while forgeries, tosses, farms and appointment of guilt flourish - I will be against execution, as it will become a means of eliminating objectionable ideas, execution will be silenced by execution. Until corruption in the law enforcement system is completely eliminated, I will be against execution. Because miscarriage of justice - we have a constant practice. And the victim is not entitled to any compensation for all the harm done. And no responsibility for the mistake. In such circumstances, only madmen will stand for execution.
    1. New Year day 8 November 2019 20: 21 New
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      As long as Hahalev courts are judged, as long as there is a norm for sticks, while forgeries, tosses, farms and the appointment of guilt flourish

    2. depressant 8 November 2019 21: 50 New
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      I read the forum to your comment, Basarev, and I support you fully.
      Honestly, the article scared. Really scared. Law enforcement officers do not do their job, and the criminals are completely unbelted, insolent to impossibility ...
      They say we have no ideology? Not true! She is! Tolerance of evil, violence, crime - this is a new ideology. Be arrogant, be angry, work with your elbows - otherwise you won’t get through. Gnaw your opponent's throat - otherwise you won’t get through! Dare to walk on corpses - otherwise you will not get through !! Do you have any vices? Craving for violence and murder? So do not slow down, it's your time! Conscience? And what is it? See what TV and the press relish! Read what authorities, nouveau riche and the so-called elite allow themselves! And are you still slowing down? You are not liberated? If so, you are a weakling and a potential victim of liberated people.
      The time of the realization of Evil.
      Gradually, this undeclared, but really existing ideology climbs out and streams from everywhere. The imposed Evil spreads in a thin haze in the atmosphere. And now maniacs, potential killers, fiends, rapists, breathing in the miasma of Evil, feel: their time has come! Something like a night of long knives.
      But the same Evil and law enforcement officers breathed in and the judicial system ...
      After all, what is the main thing here? The fact of the death penalty. But maniac, he is a maniac! Is the execution of a man like him stopping him in an atmosphere saturated with permissiveness of Evil? Yes, never! But millions of respectable citizens shudder from the fact of execution. Publicly shouting "That's right! So him!", They, respectable, left alone with themselves, passionately pray: "Lord, save and have mercy! Carry this cup past me!" Because they hear the Evil poured into the atmosphere grinning: “You say that you weren’t? Just passing by? Nu-nu ...” And what if reports of executions and relishing of details are made almost daily? In such an atmosphere, many will begin to feel a noose around their neck. Or wait for a meeting with a maniac ...
      One cannot bring society to cruel decisions in an atmosphere of triumphant Evil. Do not execute, do not have mercy - only cruel justice! Justice by law. But this is difficult, isn't it? In an atmosphere of Evil is almost impossible. It is much easier and simpler to bring society to a wild rampage of crime, and then pile on the conscience of citizens a referendum on the death penalty.
  • neri73-r 8 November 2019 16: 50 New
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    I am with both hands for the return of the death penalty. The bastard who killed or committed violence against the child does not have the right to life, even in life imprisonment.

    I am for the death penalty, but not at the present time, since the quality of work of the operational, investigative, supervisory authorities and the court today is lower than the plinth. If the quality rises even to the USSR level of the years 80-85, then yes it is necessary to introduce for murderers, rapists and traitors, in short, as before.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 November 2019 16: 58 New
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    I understand that I will rake in a bunch of minuses, but I have a question for the author of the article and all forum users who are in favor of returning the death penalty: "Friends, what about a miscarriage of justice ???" Here is the situation, the man was accused, convicted, shot. After a while it became clear: the error came out, innocent !!! So what???? What we are going to do???
    Who will we shoot then? Investigator? Judge? The prosecutor? Jury?
    And with the innocent executed, what shall we do?
    Friends, are you not afraid to make such proposals (on the return of the death penalty) knowing the level of corruption and mediocrity of our law enforcement officials and the court?
    1. Million 8 November 2019 17: 30 New
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      So do not immediately execute that ... So in 10-15 years
  • faterdom 8 November 2019 17: 12 New
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    The value of life should not be evaluated on its own in a vacuum, but only from the point of view of human society.
    At the same time, humanity did not hesitate to kill millions and millions of innocent people in its history, but now it stumbles on some next modern chikatilo like this Denis Pozdeev. Which even for itself does not represent any value, he is not a social being, moreover, an anti-human being.
    Yes, the current "humanitarian" politicians do not want to take responsibility for the "killing". At the same time, while continuing to kill in the thousands and millions on far-fetched pretexts, only the politicians of the first echelon - over the past two decades - Hussein, Gaddafi, Milosevic, Assad were preparing the same fate. About smaller people who already there will remember.
    No guys - it's not like that! And you know that, you just keep on fooling around, muttering false mantras, which are like “not affected”. Everything affects, and everyone in the world understands this perfectly.
    You don’t want to bite your hands - even if you launch them into outer space without a spacesuit, even though you don’t have a bathyscaphe in the Mariana Trench, the Novosibirsk Islands are again not populated.
    Spankers will survive - that’s how they will at least serve the benefit of science: how they could, what mutations are useful ... But no, rightly so: you don’t like people - people don’t love you. You are superfluous, you are not needed.
  • Berkut24 8 November 2019 17: 21 New
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    I don’t know how the rest, but it’s cheaper for me, as a taxpayer, to pay one 9mm cartridge once, than to feed this scum for life, preserving all the conditions for a normal life, including soldering with the required number of calories and doctors.
  • Oleg Zorin 8 November 2019 17: 25 New
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    The death penalty does not affect crime prevention. I will explain with examples. The state has successfully destroyed the LTP system. Yes, she was imperfect, but at least somehow restrained the witches. Now a man is getting drunk, and a dog with him is not interesting to anyone. In psychiatry, there was a special accounting system. Patients prone to violence were put on special account. For their forced hospitalization, consent was not required. Safely poher in Russia. There was a juvenile crime prevention system. Now all this is formal. There was a censorship system in the media and TV. Now this is not. What nonsense on TV do not show. Truly a zombie creator. And then the public sincerely wonders where these come from? So the state produces them in commodity quantities. The state exists not only for the collection of taxes from citizens.
  • Million 8 November 2019 17: 29 New
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    Putin will not do this.
  • Vadmir 8 November 2019 17: 45 New
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    but where is the guarantee that he did not enjoy the murder process itself?
    If he enjoyed, then he is crazy and the death penalty, as well as the term in the area does not threaten him, they are sent to a mental hospital.
    Crime cannot be eradicated; it exists everywhere, including in those countries where there is the death penalty. Crime was even when for any premeditated murder, they were automatically hanged. Crime was even when hands were chopped off for petty theft.
    An example of the United States shows that at the risk of the death penalty, criminals go into the "business" with firearms and put these weapons to use.
    A low crime rate is observed where people have a high standard of living, high social benefits, low unemployment and not too big a gap between the rich and the poor in income.
  • Galleon 8 November 2019 17: 45 New
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    Before you start talking about the return of the death penalty, you need to start talking about the quality of the courts, remember less than 1% of acquittals, and make an absolutely adequate law on self-defense and protection of your loved ones or just a victim of an attack and protection of your property. Anyone who goes into a robbery, intrudes into someone else’s possession for the purpose of violence or robbery, or who shows aggression on the road should know that he is going out of the protection of the law and that any citizen can apply the measures of violence that he considers necessary to neutralize it.
    Otherwise, for self-defense, they will begin to give us the death penalty, like sweets on a children's birthday.
    Those who dream of the death penalty should first of all try on one or another situation of condemnation to death. Since childhood, I remember about a friend of a guy who passed by the entrance where the murder took place. They detained him as he got and beat out a confession !! And the 18-year-old kid went for 10 years.
    That's what you need to be afraid of, and not that the killer will sit 10-12-25 or for life.
  • Galleon 8 November 2019 17: 50 New
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    Serving sentences should take place at closed MSW processing plants (free labor for the common good quickly ennobles. Such work does not require special qualifications, and the maintenance will pay off with interest. Even if they make “red” plants ...

    You are my friend! Make an appeal to the authorities with this initiative. I will sign!
  • faterdom 8 November 2019 17: 58 New
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    Since childhood, I remember about a friend of a guy who passed by the entrance where the murder took place. They detained him as he fell and knocked out a confession !! And the 18-year-old kid went for 10 years.

    This is called "in non-obvious conditions." Yes, non-obviousness is an obstacle to the death penalty, this can be left so. But what about the obvious and the defiant? With the shooting of educational institutions?
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      What are the conditions of non-obviousness with signed confessions, when a person was tortured by torture ??? What are you speaking about?
  • nikolai.kolya 8 November 2019 18: 01 New
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    The author would first look at the statistics of acquittals, then he would develop a critical attitude towards the judicial system and then write an article
  • tanelorn 8 November 2019 18: 02 New
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    As a senior criminal investigation opera (in the past) with two hands FOR.
  • edelweiss968 8 November 2019 18: 07 New
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    EXCEPT FOR CASES OF SELF-DEFENSE, ANYONE WHO TAKES OUT ANOTHER'S LIFE SHOULD BE LOST OWN,
    and the Navy for the first drug-related business. and do not waste bullets, acid eliminates all the errors of nature
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    I agree, maniacs, child murderers, pedophiles, criminal bandits, terrorists, as well as rats "... in especially large ..." - at a cost
  • Ros 56 8 November 2019 18: 21 New
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    Some insurance may be the initiation of a case against the investigator (s) and the judge, through whose fault they condemned the innocent and the dime for each unfortunate law enforcement officer. Then they will feel responsibility not at the level, oh I made a mistake, I'm sorry, but in full.
  • Ryaruav 8 November 2019 18: 33 New
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    while catching chikatilo, 20 people slammed, and a dozen of these were worth spanking, but the rest didn’t care at all, and now let's remember about education, because what doctors are the same followers and Army officers, for being determines the consciousness, I don’t mind but measure and cut seven times
    1. Andrey VOV 9 November 2019 07: 49 New
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      Do not write nonsense about 20 people
  • rocket757 8 November 2019 18: 37 New
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    The question is complex and even scary.
    It is necessary to isolate geeks from society, but to get rid of them radically is a question of questions, since with the investigation and the judicial system we do not have everything as it should, as we would like.
  • bear 8 November 2019 18: 38 New
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    Rapists, pidofilov, and officials of embezzlers the bullet in the head.
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      Rapists, pidofilov, and officials of embezzlers the bullet in the head.

      start with embezzlers. Let's see what comes out. Then, according to the result, you can think of others. The guilt of embezzlers is much easier to prove. In the meantime ...
  • Ezekiel 25-17 8 November 2019 19: 12 New
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    If the author has already raised the issue of the death penalty, we will try to discuss it here on the forum, openly and impartially: Does Ravil Shamsutdinov deserve the death penalty for the intentional killing of 8 people?
    1. Evil echo 8 November 2019 19: 58 New
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      Definitely, a subhuman should not live.
      1. depressant 9 November 2019 00: 34 New
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        Deserves what is worse than the death penalty. An icy, cramped loner with a tiny window under the ceiling. Without electricity. One-time meager meals. Skinny mattress on the crib. No books, TV, walks, mail, broadcasts, any communication - nothing! Complete, absolute loneliness in absolute silence. It's like a grave. Three months later - a loss of reason. Checked in the royal army. And so on until the end.
        She wrote and shuddered. Am I so cruel? No, I'm not cruel. Therefore, I withdraw my offer. A bullet is more humane.
        I am not cruel, but anger boils in me, even rage. For a soldier-killer - in the second place.
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          Oh, well, you started dreaming.
          But what about the committee to protect the rights of convicts?
          What about the human rights committee?
          How can a criminal be kept in such inhuman conditions, this is not just an ordinary person, but a CRIMINAL !!!
          And his rights must be respected!
  • samarin1969 8 November 2019 19: 12 New
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    It is scary that the level of legal "fraud" is simply out of place. Substituting a person for pedophilia or murder is technically uncomplicated. "Truth seekers" for custom affairs exist only in base serials. ... The problem is underpunishment in the early stages: amnesty, small and unreasonable, "special circumstances" ....
  • gvozdan 8 November 2019 19: 48 New
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    It is high time. At the same time, the tower should be assigned to the cops for fraud in criminal cases
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      it would be more correct for the proved official forgery to police, prosecutors and judges to give an adequate measure to an unlawfully convicted person on time, and if an unlawfully convicted person was executed, then he would be sentenced to
  • Jager 8 November 2019 19: 53 New
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    I am against the death penalty in the current judicial system.
    But! According to the results of the referendum, the death penalty itself should nevertheless be returned in separate articles for repeated murders with particular cruelty, relapse in pedophilia, etc. Plus, apply the penalty to psychos, frostbitten teenagers, and in exceptional cases to women. A roof that has gone must not be 100% protected. The same Bobokulova, who cut off the child’s head, is quite able to cut down the forest. Killers are usually always in good shape.
    An alternative to execution or a loop can be: work in extremely dangerous jobs (why ruin normal healthy people?), Medical experiments (in some areas of science they are necessary), donation - sorted out into organs, saved the lives of others.
    For lifelong alternative - hard labor. Let them search for and extract minerals beyond the Arctic Circle. In Oymyakon he was able to stretch 25 years - the term is removed, but without the right to leave.
    But while there is no reinforced concrete equality before the law and an absolute guarantee of the absence of errors, it is too early to introduce such a practice.
  • Evil echo 8 November 2019 19: 57 New
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    FOR, only FOR, it's high time to return the highest measure.
  • mark_rod 8 November 2019 20: 04 New
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    Very beautifully said about openness and transparency. The Soviet system was also considered the most transparent and fair. And now let's recall how many people were sentenced in the Chikatilo case. I am definitely for the increase in LIFE sentences, so that ki are expelled from society, but that there is an opportunity to correct the mistake.

    One thing bothers me - but what, the entire population of our country - pensioners, workers (I do not take parasites of officials into account), should keep these criminals on their neck?
  • mark_rod 8 November 2019 20: 06 New
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    Quote: Galleon
    Before you start talking about the return of the death penalty, you need to start talking about the quality of the courts, remember less than 1% of acquittals, and make an absolutely adequate law on self-defense and protection of your loved ones or just a victim of an attack and protection of your property. Anyone who goes into a robbery, intrudes into someone else’s possession for the purpose of violence or robbery, or who shows aggression on the road should know that he is going out of the protection of the law and that any citizen can apply the measures of violence that he considers necessary to neutralize it.
    Otherwise, for self-defense, they will begin to give us the death penalty, like sweets on a children's birthday.
    Those who dream of the death penalty should first of all try on one or another situation of condemnation to death. Since childhood, I remember about a friend of a guy who passed by the entrance where the murder took place. They detained him as he got and beat out a confession !! And the 18-year-old kid went for 10 years.
    That's what you need to be afraid of, and not that the killer will sit 10-12-25 or for life.

    But self-defense in your home should be completely excluded from the Criminal Code!
  • Sergei71 8 November 2019 20: 06 New
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    Yes, of course, now the topic of death penalty will be thrilled and anxious, Syria has ended, Ukraine is not in trend. It is necessary to think with a head, and not an antagonistic-located place. This is not a problem, maniacs and near-like were and always will be. But when inadequate in power .... sorry, much worse.
  • U-58 8 November 2019 20: 19 New
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    I have always believed that even without slaughter, you can SO plant a geek, that he will be shot for the miracle of the Lord ...
    But now I’m talking with two retired FSIN majors.
    One served in a zone, another - in a pre-trial detention center.
    Both (without saying a word) - for the death penalty of scumbags.
    Departure now on any "regime", in their opinion, is almost a pioneer camp.
    They live, read, eat 3 times a day, do not work, get high, or even make money ...
    The human rights movement has put criminals in a very privileged position.
    Employees of special institutions are even afraid to sneeze aside a lesson.
    It is just right to change the pros and cons of being in prison on the contrary.
    That is, it’s not pity for the Goremyk-sitters, but their guards.
    I heard about many cases when, on a reservation lesson, the employees were fired, or even planted.
    And this is only because they tried to force the most notorious villains to order.
    So we need to consider this topic from all sides.
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