Sohu: The Black Hole submarine is not a Russian patent, the quietest ones are the US Navy Seawolf

In the Chinese segment of the network came out material that is devoted to "quiet" submarines. In particular, it considers the atomic attack submarine Sea Wolf.

We are talking about the Chinese resource Sohu, in the military section of which the author declares literally the following:

The “Black Hole” submarines are not a Russian patent, the quietest nuclear submarine in the world, in fact, is the American class of submarines “Sea Wolf” (“Seawolf”).

Recall that “Black Holes” abroad are often called diesel-electric submarines of the 636 project “Varshavyanka” (actually a joint project with the Soviet 877 “Halibut”). This "nickname" of Russian (Soviet) submarines is associated with their low noise and difficulty in detecting the enemy.

From material in the Chinese edition:

Although the Sea Wolf is expensive, it should be said that the Sea Wolf class nuclear submarine is the quietest nuclear submarine in the United States and even in the world. The Seawolf submarine has low noise and therefore a low probability of being detected. Seawolf nuclear submarines are capable of diving twice as deep as the Russian Black Holes (Varshavyanki) - 610 m versus 300 m. The nuclear submarine of the Sea Wolf class can go under water at a speed of 20 knots, and its opponent is very hard to find with sonar.

These statements cause some kind of bewilderment among experts. Firstly, the Americans called the Black Holes Russian submarines (PL) of the Varshavyanka project. Secondly, it is somewhat strange to say that Russia claims to have some kind of “patent” in relation to low-noise submarines. Thirdly, it is generally strange to compare diesel-electric submarines and nuclear submarines.

It must be recalled that the Varshavyanki is also operated in the Chinese Navy. According to the latest data, in the PLA Navy there are about 10 DEPL projects of 636 and 636М.

Comments

[Thrall]

The housekeeper made rice vodka for the author from "Sohu"

[novel66]

and messed up something with the recipe ...

[Prisoner]

Merry mushrooms shifted.

[hrych]

Quote: Captive

Merry mushrooms shifted

Then the "white Chinese" covered ...
Comparison of nuclear submarines and diesel-electric submarines is still possible and necessary. Before arming with universal devices under the nickname Caliber, including strategic ones, Kilo had an essential function - namely, anti-submarine defense, so that all sorts of Sivulfs would not reach the line of attack of our military-political objects, well, protection of communications, formations, etc., including covering for leaving for nuclear submarine patrolling with ICBMs. Nooo, the presence of the Sivulf reactor cannot give silence less battery life. The reactor is extremely noisy, you can never turn it off, there is no way to hide, knocking out all the noise and hanging with zero buoyancy, or quietly go to the bottom. But Kilo can lie low, most importantly as a start-up, so as not to flick ... The submarine's underwater speed is also a unmasking factor due to turbulence. And Sivulf is forced to trudge no faster than Kilo, where the advantage is leveled. And also the dimensions again add noise, even if they move at the same speed, and Sivulf is stupidly larger and significantly. Immersion depth? And where is it on the shelf, where is the boundary of our anti-submarine defense. And the shelf is distinguished by the fact that there the depths are shallow and the size of Sivulf with its deep water is LACK and large. Also, the Black Sea (although there is a two-kilometer depression, but the Bosphorus ...), the Baltic and our coastal seas separating the Pacific and Arctic oceans from the firmament are also shallow and Kilo reign there. But the depths of the East China Sea reach 2,7 kilometers, and in the South China Sea as much as 5,5 kilometers, with an average of more than a thousand meters, and here Siululf, Ohio from the Kyrgyz Republic, Virginia and ... Indian Pike-B, everyone can use their trump cards against diesels in full. Those. and speed, and depth, and striking power, and size, which gives the payload, and VNEU, which is a nuclear power plant, and also a place swarming from wooden junks to tankers, with the highest density of shipping, where poor acoustics do hard labor. This is not the Laptev Sea, where the main noise is the farting of polar bears ..

[Sibiriya]

The Sohu article is pure provocation. Designed to attract attention to achieve a rating and, accordingly, raise the bubble.

Seawolf nuclear submarines are capable of diving twice as deep as the Russian Black Holes (Varshavyanki) - 610 m versus 300 m. A nuclear submarine of the Sea Wolf class can go under water at a speed of 20 knots, and its opponent is very hard to find with sonar.

What side does this refer to low noise?

[Thrifty]

Thrall, the Chinese are raving, for they themselves have nothing to boast about in this aspect. Their submarines roar so that the Yankees hear them for hundreds of miles.

[knn54]

It just doesn’t work to copy

[Civil]

Times go, times change. So change your mind)

[YOUR]

She insisted on snake venom.

[Livonetc]

When he was serving urgently, they cantered and rested in the homes of lonely old women.
In exchange, they helped them with the household repair of the garden and the like.
The grandmother from whom I was based and my friend drove self-esteem and insisted on it ....
on hemp.
I shunned this cocktail, preferring to consume moonshine to tincture.
But my friend used it.
The town is small.
Then for some time rumors came about his adventures from all over the city.

[YOUR]

What is it like ....

Quote: Livonetc

When served urgent, dining and relaxing

[Avior]

Ofigel too
Could it be like that? Why no one said?

[Livonetc]

He served in the construction battalion.
During the day they worked at civilian facilities.
In the evening, part to the verification.
Between the end of work and verification, they were just obtained from civilians.
On weekends, outside the events on park management and any preparations, also through the fence.
In general, the construction battalion had its advantages.

[Leopold]

Not at all surprised. An urgent brother also served in the construction battalion near Vyazma. I went to him, then I was surprised, now no. That is exactly what happened.
Gennady

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Livonetc

The grandmother from whom I was based and my friend drove self-esteem and insisted on it.

It is better to take moonshine separately, and hemp separately. How many times have you said "Ruff is harmful to your health."

[cost]

classics of the genre - what else to write to the "yellow" press, no matter how about the "black" hole

[Greg Miller]

Anyway, it’s somehow strange to compare the noise of a nuclear submarine with a diesel-electric submarine ...

[Far East]

this. it's not the same for everybody!

[Alexander I]

To get angry, and letting us go to the bunk, the foreman screamed so that we would come to dinner in the dining room, rather than hungry around the city

[Livonetc]

So we supplied the families of officers with sugar, yeast, cheese, sausage and other products.
They worked throughout the city at a bakery, a meat (sausage) workshop, a dairy, and a procurement office.
In the apartments of the officers they made repairs, various structures were built in private areas, and not for free, but at a reasonable price.
Everyone was profitable.

[synodontis]

Prague, Wenceslas Square, shop. Freely sold vodka on hemp Kanabis. Cannabis seeds float in vodka. Vodka is expensive. No special effects. vodka can be freely transported to Russia (no more than 3 liters of alcohol)

[7,62x54]

Insisted on chicken droppings

[NEXUS]

Quote: Thrall

The housekeeper made rice vodka for the author from "Sohu"

Sivulf is really one of the most technologically advanced and quietest submarines in the world. And then the Chinese did not say anything new. But ... two points. The first who measured the noisiness of Sivulf and his subscribers? And the second moment, why did the Chinese think that Borey or Ash in terms of noise inferior to Sivulf? I'm not talking about submarines from VNEU Germans and Japanese.

[sir_obs]

I'm not talking about submarines from VNEU Germans and Japanese.

VNEU certainly has nothing to do with noise, but simply makes it possible to stay under water longer, which positively affects stealth, and noise at the same level as before.

[Thrifty]

The copier country quickly became an "expert" in literally everything. And if the United States returns production from China to America, the Chinese economy will collapse in a maximum of three years.

[Cut Samshitov]

I remember VO was inundated with materials from the "iksperd" from the "national interest". Have you decided to replace American inadequates with Chinese?

[Avior]

Recently, they began to add to the Serbian

[Greenwood]

And the Vietnamese were celebrated.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Thrifty

The copier country quickly became an "expert" in literally everything.

The yellow rabbits quickly became insolent. I believe that the main enemy of Russia will not be the Anglo-Saxons, but a half billion photocopiers.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Siberia 75

Anglo-Saxons, and a half billion photocopiers.

Exactly! Anglo-Saxons are far away. And these right here, behind the fence (which is not).

[K-612-O]

Yes, even a comparison. Compare MPAL with a diesel engine, only how many wolves have been built (3!), And how many Varshavyanks are being built. About the fact that these boats have diametrically different tasks, I generally keep quiet.

[rocket757]

Nothing stands still .... and no one intends to share his secrets!
Today it is, but tomorrow it will be different ... especially in the military sphere there is a lot of fog, assumptions, guesses, outright disinformation and of course "the sandpiper praises his own, and even someone else's swamp ... there leeches / frogs are tastier"!

[Uncle lee]

Sohu: Submarine "Black Hole" is not a patent of Russia

and Sohu itself is so yellow, there is nowhere more yellow!

[rocket757]

Quote from Uncle Lee

and Sohu itself is so yellow, there is nowhere more yellow!

That's for sure ... a sandpiper cloister looking for a swamp with the most delicious leeches ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Uncle Lee

and Sohu itself is so yellow, there is nowhere more yellow!

Well, let's call it "Yellow Hole".

[Observer2014]

So we’ll break off the Russian segment of the Chinese network!
"Black plague" !!! -

Children's fantasies, doodles PACDA -

Remind me how "Armata was supposed to look? And what was it that they spent years on the websites?"

And other numerous dope retype from site to site And so in any network segment. Waterfall of all kinds of experts. And other network slag. What to pay attention to any stupid heresy?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Observer2014

Waterfall of all kinds of experts. And other network slag.

And what in reality, nobody knows. Who will share secrets in the "world Putin".

[Leopold]

Vlad Never mind. Russia sheltered him, that’s what she hates her for that.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leopold

Russia sheltered him, that’s what she hates her for that.

Well, who loves "shabes".

[Leopold]

And what are these "animals"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leopold

And what are these "animals"?

Shabesgoys, those who work on Saturdays.

[Leopold]

There it is. But I didn’t know. Thank. Only he washed away with non-fallow. Although ... maybe. It does not interfere.

[Professor]

1. An atomic submarine is by definition noisier than an atomic submarine. In the nuclear submarine always, something spins, sways and so on.
2. Non-nuclear submarines are less noisy than ancient diesel engines.
3. Chinese article is left. This is like the Messenger of Mordovia or the National Interest.

[K-612-O]

The Messenger of Mordovia will be more authoritative than Interest, and if you read it, it’s better. Military-industrial courier.

[rocket757]

Quote: professor

An atomic submarine is by definition noisier than an atomic submarine. In the nuclear submarine always, something spins, sways and so on.

It's like a "look"! Those. than the crew was fed, and then from beans, and from peas, such a cacophony of sounds can ... break out, oh - oh - oh!

[Professor]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: professor

An atomic submarine is by definition noisier than an atomic submarine. In the nuclear submarine always, something spins, sways and so on.

It's like a "look"! Those. than the crew was fed, and then from beans, and from peas, such a cacophony of sounds can ... break out, oh - oh - oh!

When I would be the commander of the emergency rescue party, the instruction on the diving case wrote about the ban on eating legumes for divers. This phrase really amused us. I do not think that legumes are included in the diets of divers.

[rocket757]

We did not recommend sauerkraut either .....
And beans, traditional food for many Yankees, spied on in the movie "Remove the periscope"! It is, of course, a comedy, grotesque, but it was fun to see it!

[Leopold]

Victor As far as I remember - a klikuha at the cook in that movie "Lentils"

[rocket757]

Sergey welcome
Cool film, in the old, Sanaevsky translation, there is a lot to hear!
By the way, lentils, as a product, cereals, are my favorites! Food for the "gods" ... or Indians. And Yakiy Indian does not like lentils.

[Leopold]

I like him too. There is also a comedy on a military theme - "Sergeant Bilko". If you haven't watched it, I recommend it.

[rocket757]

Ha ha ha .... I had such a period in those very dashing 90s.
I was engaged in video salons \ rental, "culture", mainly amerskoy, to the masses .... revised a lot of things. Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd and many others .... "ray of light" in our "dark kingdom" HA - HA - HA.

[Leopold]

So I also remember those times. Nostalgia, however.

[rocket757]

Quote: Leopold

Nostalgia, however.

It was in every way and fun too .... all the same, they were younger, later and could, could, much more.

[K-50]

Sohu: The Black Hole submarine is not a Russian patent, the quietest is the Navy's Seawolf. The nuclear submarine "Seawolf" has a low noise level and, accordingly, a low probability of being detected. The Seawolf submarine is capable of diving twice as deep as the Russian Black Holes (Varshavyanki) - 610 m versus 300 m. The Sea Wolf class nuclear submarine can go under water at a speed of 20 knots

When it comes to low noise, then where does the immersion depth and underwater speed?
Instrumental measurements of noise at a certain speed in the "studio" and nothing else will need to comment.
And then blah blah blah and not any specific information.

[VALERIK_097]

Alexey, specific information only in the "first" section, and judging by the request, at least with the second form . Do not you know.

[Pacifist]

Judging by the interpretation, there are also problems with the translation of the source material. But generally it’s really strange to compare that. It’s the same as comparing a tank with an armored personnel carrier ... of course, but what’s the point?

[Basarev]

And in some ways the Chinese are right. Since an atomic boat is comparable in silence with a diesel one, there are only two options: either the creators of the atomic have achieved truly outstanding successes in low noise, or the diesel is not so quiet. What my old suspicion only proves: our boats and still roaring cows, Varshavyanka is only the quietest of the domestic ... But at the same time it remains a roaring cow against the background of truly quiet boats. The true level of Russia's lag in such high technologies is immediately visible. And pretend to be a superpower, damn it.

[Vlad.by]

Associative logic? Third or fifth order of associations?
You, my friend, do not need a VO forum, but a closed institution, where you will be treated. Maybe...

[Ross xnumx]

Sohu: The Black Hole submarine is not a Russian patent, the quietest ones are the US Navy Seawolf

A strange statement by "experts". Isn't there anything Chinese in the segment of low-noise nuclear submarines?
The pleasure is the expertise that is based on realities. I'm just sure that the Russian military department did not disclose all the secrets to the "partners" who are sitting on the riverbank and waiting ...
American analysts, British scientists, German specialists, Chinese representatives of Sohu ... Who else wants to speak out about the quality of the Russian Federation's weapons without trying all its "charms" and "dignities"?

[Greenwood]

Quote: ROSS 42

Who else wants to speak out about the quality of the Russian Federation's weapons without trying all its "charms" and "dignity" on themselves?

Like who? Hindus of course. And followed by Vietnam and Bangladesh.

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: Thrall

The housekeeper made rice vodka for the author from "Sohu"

the Chinese drive their liquor out of Gaolyan (such a reed). but Japanese sake, yes, rice

[Avior]

sake is not driven, so he is not vodka

[Potato]

Well, for that matter, the quietest should be Japanese boats with lithium-ion batteries. Japanese diesel engines are better than ours in all respects, except for the cost to us. And electric motors are better.

[Azazelo]

Well, even if there is something China stole ... it doesn’t mean at all that the submarines are identical

[rotmistr60]

Firstly, the Americans called the Black Holes Russian submarines (PL) of the Varshavyanka project. Secondly, it is somewhat strange to say that Russia claims to have some kind of “patent” in relation to low-noise submarines. Thirdly, it is generally strange to compare diesel-electric submarines and nuclear submarines.

That, in my opinion, says it all. Did they write in Sohu?

[Charik]

An atomic submarine of the Sea Wolf class can go under water at a speed of 20 knots, and it’s very difficult for an enemy to find it with a sonar. So, many submarines can

[Lesorub]

Sohu: The Black Hole submarine is not a Russian patent, the quietest ones are the US Navy Seawolf

The author of the article, needs less access to this Chinese resource - he is too incompetent and clearly wants this Chinese news portal in terms of armaments.

[7,62x54]

We will sit aside, have a smoke. And you, Chinese comrades, please go ahead.

[Sailor]

Well, no one argues with the fact that Sea Wolf is the quietest nuclear submarine, but it is somehow strange to compare boats of different classes. I suppose Varshavyanka is not the quietest among the diesel-electric submarines either; there are Japanese, well, Germans and the Swedes are building very quiet boats with the Swedes.

[Ham]

Chinese Sohu - local WO branch

[Nitarius]

obviously eaten mushrooms))

[sir_obs]

A nuclear submarine of the Sea Wolf class can go under water at a speed of 20 knots, and it’s very difficult for an enemy to find it with a sonar.

The author seems to have little idea of ​​what noise is, since it connects it with sonar.
And at a speed of 20 knots, it will be heard on the other side of the ocean.

[Avior]

Sivulf advertise just for the alleged opportunity to go quietly at a relatively high speed - the Chinese about this, as I understand it.
and as for the sonar, then the quality of the translation should first be asked.
lame in anonymous articles often.

[sir_obs]

You can advertise anything you want, but reality has little to do with it.
In practice, cowardly you can move at a speed of 6-8 knots, higher problems already begin not only with the fact that they will hear you, but also that your own noises make it impossible to hear the enemy.
A high speed nuclear submarine is needed just for that. to quickly get out of the attack when you have already been discovered and there is no point in further portraying the invisibility.

By the way, as far as I remember, water cannons from the British Trafalgar were installed on the Sivulfs, so this is more of an advertisement for them.

[Avior]

Not only is it advertised there.
I myself, of course, did not check, but they write the following, for example

Seawulf has 600 sensors that determine and measure the levels of its own noise (for comparison, there are seven such devices on the previous generation boats of the Los Angeles type). A qualitative increase in stealth, and this is, first of all, a sharp decrease in the noise level of the boat - such a task was set before the designers and builders of the "Seawulf". And it looks like they have achieved this goal.
The submarine's hull has an almost ideal hydrodynamic shape (length-to-width ratio - 8,8) has internal and external acoustic coatings that "do not release" its own noises and "absorb" the pulses of enemy search sonars. Reportedly ... on the Seawulf-class boats, active acoustic energy damping devices are installed ... transform the ship's acoustic field in such a way that it merges with the background ... the boat seems to "dissolve" in a cacophony of random sounds. .... The Seawulf has a significant diving depth of about 600 m and a high 20-knot tactical speed, at which the submarine's acoustic system is capable of detecting enemy submarines. And the total submerged speed of the ship exceeds 33 knots. It is provided by the S6W water-moderated nuclear reactor and the original "pump-jet" propulsion unit of the water-jet type.
If it is extremely difficult to detect the noise "Seawulf", as already noted, then he himself "hears" very well thanks to seven acoustic antennas. This complex is capable of detecting, classifying and tracking up to 1800 acoustic contacts. This information is processed by the AN / BSY-2 automatic combat control system (ASBU), into which all the ship's electronic systems are integrated ...

and what is there to believe, what is not, who knows ....

[sir_obs]

Typical advertising article on a convex naval eye, in fact, everything is much more complicated.
What they achieved there and how well the crew is well versed in this can only be found in real combat.
Even in relatively peaceful times, the discovery of a submarine does not exclude the fact that she has been watching you all this time.
But when you destroy it, and you dangle afloat yourself, there’s nothing to argue about.

[Resistance]

Maybe Sohu doesn’t know that there is a difference of 26 units between our and the decibels? This is like Faringate and Celsius. To the noise of the ships of the US Navy you need to add 26, and then compare with the noise of ours.

[Ros 56]

This Sokha has long been breathing unevenly in our direction, the dog barks, and the caravan moves on.

[pafegosoff]

Sohu "- a resource of Chinese" Komsomol members. "Masters of Shanghai.
Who are the "Komsomol members" of China? The same as ours, Maidans and others ... liberals, top officials and oligarchs. The Chinese "Komsomol members" are often educated in the USA, World Bank, France.
The attitude towards Russia is "enemy number 1".

[Sapsan136]

A sea wolf is a nuclear submarine, and a nuclear submarine is noisier than a nuclear submarine, so this is another fable of the Pentagon ... In addition, the cost of a sea wolf submarine turned out to be exorbitant, even for the United States, and they had to limit the series to only 3 submarines of this type ... Virginia submarines were created as a simplified project and there are decent problems with noise ...

[gggddddsssccc]

the most silent are submarines with a diesel propulsion system combined with an air-independent propulsion system, the Germans have very good type projects - 214, a record of 20 days at 4 knots, and project 636 Varshavyanka 3 days at three knots.
this means 3555 km for the Germans without surfacing, for the "Varshavyanka" 400 km without surfacing until the batteries are discharged.
nuclear boats are noisy so it's funny to talk about "quiet running".

[sharp-lad]

Now, I definitely won’t be able to distinguish without the signature of NI from Sohu!