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Published footage with the attacker in the kindergarten "Tale" Naryan-Mar

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The Investigative Committee of Russia published a video from October 31 of the current year with a captured man who is the main suspect in the attack on the kindergarten of the city of Naryan-Mar and the killing of an 6-year-old boy.

Published footage with the attacker in the kindergarten "Tale" Naryan-Mar


We are talking about the 36-year-old Denis Pozdeev, who, reportedly, admitted his guilt during the investigation. This is the same person who, after the arrest, stated that he had read a certain book in which "they promised eternal life." Police officers tried to find out from the detainee what book was in question.

The footage shows how a man approaches the entrance to the Fairy Tale kindergarten during the day, tries to enter, but the door is locked. Then he rings the intercom and the door is opened to him. Investigators in the Arkhangelsk region and the Nenets Autonomous Okrug found out that the guard did not even leave his premises and opened the door of the kindergarten remotely to an unknown man. The guard himself stated the following:

Thought it was one of the parents.

Further on the frames from CCTV cameras it is seen how an attacker rises to the second floor, looking for a door that “needs to be entered”.
Law enforcers say that one of the teachers tried to block the entrance to the children's restroom, but this did not stop the attacker.

The video shows how an attacker is taken out of the building of a kindergarten by police officers. The investigating authorities say that while the offender was in the children's rest room, the second teacher ran to call for help. One of the employees of the preschool institution pressed the “panic button”. The same guard began to rise to the second floor, and he opened the door to the stranger. But while all this was happening, the attacker had already inflicted a fatal stab wound on the boy.

From the report:

He (the suspect) explained to the investigator that on the eve of the indicated events he used alcohol. A stationary complex psychological and psychiatric examination has been assigned to the accused. It has been preliminary established that the accused is not convicted; he was previously under the supervision of a psychiatrist-narcologist in connection with alcohol addiction. He lived alone. The place of residence is characterized by mediocre, silent, secretive, did not communicate with anyone.

A criminal case was also instituted against an employee of OP Svyatogor LLC, who opened the door to an attacker. The guard partially pleaded guilty. A criminal case has also been instituted on the fact of negligence of officials of the Kindergarten “Fairy Tale”.

The video also shows investigative actions with the accused in the kindergarten building.

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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 5 November 2019 12: 45 New
    +6
    The patient is on his head.
    1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 5 November 2019 12: 54 New
      +1
      The patient is on his head.

      Yes, it’s clear that the patient. It is not clear what the guard was doing?
      In our kindergarten, no "leftist" will go. Only when the parents introduce the director of the kindergarten "uncle", "aunt" or "grandfather and grandmother."
      Only after this, the guard misses and the educators allow the child to pick up. And often they immediately call their parents and warn them who came for their child.
      I don’t know exactly why we have such an order, but there were no definite killings or abductions.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 November 2019 12: 56 New
        36
        Being determines consciousness. No security will help. They will simply cut or beat on the street. It was during the Soviet era that children in wheelchairs were left on the street. And in 1991 we exchanged the key under the rug for sausage ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 5 November 2019 13: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          And in 1991 we exchanged the key under the rug for sausage ...

          In principle, you can agree, but you can’t exaggerate so much - the key under the rug, like building locks with number keys, began to disappear in the late 60s. About the sausage, it was noticed correctly, only for it received iron doors with eyes and bars on the windows ... lol
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 5 November 2019 13: 10 New
          +9
          It was during the Soviet era that children in wheelchairs were left on the street.

          My brother moved me over the fence, I went to "surrender" to the teacher, and he went to school. They were given back after the child "recognized" the "picker". They took me to school only for the first time (when we moved), then myself.
        3. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 5 November 2019 13: 13 New
          +9
          I don’t quite agree with you. Yes, the general situation was more friendly according to the memories of 3-5 years of age.
          BUT We should not forget about the state control of the media. I doubt very much that such a case would have been told not only in the Vremya TV program, but even in the local regional newspaper. It is difficult to imagine the media in the USSR who would drive "chernukha". A newspaper called "Red Crime". And about such a case would be known only in this city and a limited circle outside it.
          So a quiet life in the USSR had two components: well-established work of the relevant departments + censorship.
          1. Qwertyarion
            Qwertyarion 5 November 2019 14: 33 New
            -4
            That's right, there were psychos and bandits at all times, there was just censorship in the "scoop", only bravado about achievements was allowed.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 5 November 2019 16: 01 New
              +6
              Quote: Qwertyarion
              That's right, there were psychos and bandits at all times, there was just censorship in the "scoop", only bravado about achievements was allowed.

              Do not write what you do not know !!! In Soviet times, the cucumber was lying in the holster of the policemen and I did not see rubber batons.
              Everything crawled out at the end of the hunchback.
              1. Nadrub
                Nadrub 5 November 2019 17: 18 New
                +6
                That's for sure !
                Any case with the use of a firearm in the USSR, immediately a schucher right up to the minister. And now ...
        4. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 5 November 2019 15: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Being determines consciousness. No security will help. They will simply cut or beat on the street. It was during the Soviet era that children in wheelchairs were left on the street. And in 1991 we exchanged the key under the rug for sausage ...

          On sausage with wild preservatives, so as not to disappear from the word at all, and with soy instead of meat.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 5 November 2019 13: 08 New
        17
        In the USSR there was no protection, passes, etc. Patients all sat in special institutions, pedophiles, rapists and other mr .. they were planted for a long time, or destroyed. And now we have democracy.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 5 November 2019 13: 35 New
          14
          Patients all sat in special institutions, pedophiles, rapists and other mr .. they were planted for a long time, or destroyed. And now we have democracy.

          And tolerance. If you do it as it should, you will have to significantly "thin out" the pro-government structures on the subject of "lovers of" underage "models", to seat "southern" and gypsy "traditional" families in cells (#), and some preachers from the cell to the "crowing" corners move.
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 5 November 2019 13: 11 New
        -2
        this is normal in fact. those who dealt with this issue fellows. the fact is that parents are often divorced, and one child can’t be picked up and asks for a new family member, and there dad comes and a showdown. or grandmother will take the child and forget to tell parents, etc. etc. my mother was so distinguished, I almost blew the garden. and not because my mother was given Lerk, but because she hadn’t been there before and just said that my grandmother and hello. so it’s impossible. there is a similar situation. the guard does not understand his functions and is responsible for what. there, not only him, but the entire security company, will most likely be brought in for instructing the employees their work as well as their selection.
      4. Tank hard
        Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        It is not clear what the guard was doing?

        Apparently the guard - 25-year-old John Rambo, a master of sports in all kinds of martial arts and a black belt for those that are not recognized as sports, indulged in thoughts about where he would spend his vacation, because with his salary of $ 5000. he can allow a lot ... repeat
      5. Gray brother
        Gray brother 5 November 2019 13: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        . It is not clear what the guard was doing?

        There is such a job - click on the button. I take it seriously.
        There is still no access system there.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 42 New
          +5
          Quote: Gray Brother
          There is such a job - click on the button.

          There often for such a salary, those who even cannot press a button are able to work, and there are often no buttons. I take it seriously. yes
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 5 November 2019 13: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            and buttons, often not.

            There is a button, even two - one door opens, and the second alarming.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: Gray Brother
              There is a button, even two - one door opens, and the second alarming.

              I met something that does not exist at all, or does not work, which is equivalent to the fact that there is no button.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 5 November 2019 13: 52 New
                -2
                Quote: Tank Hard
                I met something that does not exist at all, or it doesn’t work,

                I don’t go to kindergartens, I was only in two, one in the USSR - there wasn’t even protection there, except for a night watchman / janitor (and the buttons were even more so), and I took it from the second child under capitalism - it was like that , and other.
                And why are you hanging around on them and even push the buttons there without asking?
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Why are you hanging around on them?

                  Rudeness is not an indicator of reason, never ... repeat
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 5 November 2019 13: 59 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Rudeness is not an indicator of reason, never ...

                    My mind is enough for your words to cause distrust.
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 05 New
                      +1
                      [quote = Gray brother] My mind is enough so that your words cause distrust. [/ quote]
                      A dubious statement, well, believe what you want ...
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                      3. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 5 November 2019 14: 17 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        . Well, if you understand what I mean.

                        No, I don’t understand.
                        So for what purpose do you go to kindergartens?
                        You write:
                        I met something that does not exist at all, or does not work

                        I also met, during the USSR - there were no panic buttons, this is not a savings bank. But to understand what does not work, you need to click at least.
                        You write as if you were in many institutions of this type and personally checked.
                        Unconvincing.
                      4. Simargl
                        Simargl 5 November 2019 19: 14 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        during the USSR - there were no panic buttons
                        Were
                        Remote control, sort of.
                        They even put it in apartments.
                        Uncle, when he left for the Far East, he did it.
                      5. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 5 November 2019 19: 16 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Console security

                        Well, not in kindergartens.
                      6. Simargl
                        Simargl 5 November 2019 20: 21 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Gray Brother
                        Well, not in kindergartens.
                        In DS did not see the panic button, but all objects with material value (at least) could be connected to the "console".
                      7. Gray brother
                        Gray brother 5 November 2019 21: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        but all objects with material value (at least)

                        It goes without saying.
                        In Moscow, they have now made it possible to get to the territory of the kindergarten with a magnetic key, I have a neighbor who goes with a card.
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    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 5 November 2019 13: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: loki565
      Equip a checkpoint, run according to passports

      Issuing children by numbers, as in a wardrobe. For good, it would be necessary not to let anyone into the territory at all.
  • loki565
    loki565 5 November 2019 13: 47 New
    -1
    Equip a checkpoint, run according to passports, or do not launch outsiders into the territory at all. Presented a passport, the security guard checked the list, issued the child. It seems that such fences are rather good than bad.

    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 November 2019 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: loki565
      Presented a passport, the security guard checked the list, issued the child. It seems that such fences are rather good than bad.

      Previously, even in LTP there were no such fences, it will soon come that schools will need to be protected as nuclear power plants. Now all law enforcement agencies are working to protect businessmen and their children's schools. The punishment system for rapists and murderers of children does not work.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 5 November 2019 20: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Previously, even in LTP there were no such fences
        "Y" tongue lol
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 November 2019 13: 42 New
    +6
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    It is not clear what the guard was doing?

    Have you seen the guards in kindergartens? Who can they stop? Farce, not guard.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Have you seen the guards in kindergartens? Who can they stop?

      Honestly earned a plus.
    2. loki565
      loki565 5 November 2019 13: 50 New
      -1
      No need to open. presses the panic button will arrive GBR, for this Rambo is not necessary
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 00 New
        0
        Quote: loki565
        No need to open. presses the panic button will arrive GBR, for this Rambo is not necessary

        Often, these very GBRs cannot really do anything, pistols - they can carry carbines, but use them is a separate conversation. The button must be displayed to the police, and sometimes they may not respond ... request
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 5 November 2019 14: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Often, these very GBR cannot really do anything,

          Dragging is now there Rosguard. All of them can.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            All of them can.

            Yeah, they may come, they may not come, it depends on the significance of the object and who is in charge, but you do not believe me. wink
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 5 November 2019 14: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Yeah, they may come, they may not come

              Set the alarm in your apartment and without disconnecting it go home. Check your statement)))
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Set the alarm in your apartment and without disconnecting it go home. Check your statement)))

                Do not confuse soft with warm. I'm talking about the human factor, and you're talking about the alarm. I worked and work with educational institutions, security is an integral part of them. One could tell a lot, but with rude individuals, the dispute is not interesting. Believe in the alarm. Tailwind. hi
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 5 November 2019 14: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Believe in the alarm.

                  Why should I believe in her? They come to the next entrance once a week stably)))
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  One could tell a lot, but with rude individuals, the dispute is not interesting.

                  Suitable drain. Have a good trip.
        2. loki565
          loki565 5 November 2019 14: 18 New
          +2
          The police will arrive in a year, the RBG after 5 minutes, they have it prescribed by contract, and then they will decide for themselves or request reinforcements.
          can’t do anything

          they can, but they are afraid to use a time sheet, even if the offender is with a knife. Although the police in such cases are drawn to the last.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: loki565
            The police will arrive in a year, the RBG after 5 minutes, they have it prescribed by contract, and then they will decide for themselves or request reinforcements.

            I worked in one of the youth sports schools, it was late in the evening and the guard began to lock the front door, when an inadequate body appeared from the darkness, it was evident. that under some kind of intoxication, he tried to get into the premises, demanded various absurdities, threatened to break the windows, the guard (a strong man of 40 years old) politely did not let him in, but could not touch the inadequate, the instruction did not allow, he became more inadequate, threatened to beat the parked cars . The guard pressed the panic button, the button went to the private security company and the RRG. Already 20 minutes have passed, but the GBR did not arrive, the door kicked inadequately, the guard called the police, talked about himself for about 5 minutes, just did not give fingerprints on the phone. So, in the 30th minute there appeared a GBR, two fighters, reminiscent of the extinct mammoths by age, one with a stomach almost to the ground, and the other lame and stunted, without weapons and walkie-talkies, began to talk with inadequate, as he just did not swear. We had already gathered ourselves to deal with this inadequacy, and even the cleaning lady took a mop and inquired. how long the guards will tolerate this inadequacy. After an hour of swearing, inadequate with the GBR retired in an unknown direction. Everyone left work, and the next day they told me to continue. The police never arrived, and the State Security Bureau took the inadequate address to the address like a taxi, if only he wouldn’t stir. And there have been such cases ... repeat
            1. matross
              matross 5 November 2019 17: 27 New
              +2
              [quote] the button went to the chop and gbr. [/ quo
              This is the reason for your whole story. If the "button went" to the OVO of the Russian Guard, a normal outfit would arrive in 3-5 minutes and resolve the issue.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 5 November 2019 17: 34 New
                -1
                Quote: matRoss
                That's the reason for your whole story.... If the "button went" to the OVO of the Russian Guard, a normal outfit would arrive in 3-5 minutes and resolve the issue

                If only mine, I’m afraid of a huge amount ... I’m only for a button on the PSB of the Russian Guard, but the reality is different, like the amount of cash flows, someone’s interest, and the constantly reduced number of police ... request
        3. Glory1974
          Glory1974 5 November 2019 16: 30 New
          +2
          Often, these very GBRs cannot really do anything, pistols - they can carry carbines, and use them is a separate conversation.

          If the GBR is from a private security company, no one will use weapons, it’s more expensive for themselves. Now the security guard can even put on handcuffs only after the offender himself agrees. Otherwise, a complaint to the prosecutor's office about abrasions in his hands and to the unfortunate guard is a criminal article.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 5 November 2019 17: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: glory1974
            If the GBR is from a private security company, no one will use weapons, it’s more expensive for themselves. Now the security guard can even put on handcuffs only after the offender himself agrees. Otherwise, a complaint to the prosecutor's office about abrasions in his hands and to the unfortunate guard is a criminal article.

            Actually, I’m talking about that. It makes sense to set the panic button when working with the police. Private security has no rights, only they collect money. request
    3. Nadrub
      Nadrub 5 November 2019 17: 24 New
      +2
      Victims of public procurement, who will offer the cheaper and the object of protection :) they put there whoever is often a watchman from the deaf, there is no training, there is no selection, and everyone is happy at least
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 November 2019 14: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    I don’t know exactly why we have such an order, but there were no definite killings or abductions.

    To what we have reached, it's even scary to think! For me, a person who graduated from school in the 60s, now it looks like nonsense. Then the locker rooms were not closed, only the hangers were in the foyer, and one "technical" grandma cleaned and rang a bell at the beginning and end of the lessons. Why we have become cruel, cynical and indifferent. For these beasts, there is only one VMSP punishment.
    1. region58
      region58 7 November 2019 11: 40 New
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Now it looks like nonsense

      I support. Instead of taming a dozen inadequate (figuratively) and living calmly, we began to enclose everything that was possible from them with fences. It turns out that ordinary people have to sit behind the fence - a sort of prison on the contrary. Bullshit is golem. We are turning into a country of fences and guards.
  • raw174
    raw174 5 November 2019 16: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    I don’t know exactly why we have such an order, but there were no definite killings or abductions.

    It’s just that the leader fulfills the requirements of the law in full, this should be the norm. In our kindergartens and schools there is no physical protection at all. My daughter, she goes to school herself from the first grade (now in the second), we drive his son to kindergarten, he is 2 years old, he himself will not reach ...
  • smart ass
    smart ass 5 November 2019 12: 56 New
    -3
    I hope he prepared a cauldron in hell with a guard
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 5 November 2019 14: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: Gray Brother
    The patient is on his head.

    But for some reason this "sick in the head" does not injure himself, does not beat his head against the wall, but kills the CHILD!
    A tower to him, without any psychiatric examination.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 November 2019 15: 37 New
      +2
      A moratorium in our liberal state on the tower. Everything under Europe is mowing.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 5 November 2019 19: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      A tower to him, without any psychiatric examination.
      What for? It can dump in the organ market.
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 5 November 2019 12: 46 New
    16
    That's for this, when the entire evidence base is present without any options for error - the execution is unambiguous. Who agrees?
    1. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina 5 November 2019 13: 12 New
      15
      In discussions about the death penalty, this very act is incorrectly defined as a PUNISHMENT. There can be no punishment or revenge in the death penalty. This, in my opinion, should be "the highest measure of social PROTECTION" and should be present in the criminal code. It's just that a person who has ceased to be a person should be destroyed as a threat to normal people. A miscarriage of justice can be eliminated by delaying the execution of the sentence for 5 years.
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 5 November 2019 13: 26 New
      +7
      I am for. It is clear that there are judicial errors and cops. But it is necessary to leave the death penalty in the case when the fault is beyond doubt. And this is just such a case. And the past case of the murder of a schoolgirl is the same. And Krasnodar cannibals, too. And there are many such things in the country.
      Usually, such a statement is countered by saying:
      Would you shoot him yourself? Yes. He would shoot without a doubt.
      And if such a charge were brought against you? If such a charge is brought against me, and as evidence there will be a video on which I will do similar. The only thing that needs to be done is to shoot me.
    3. Simargl
      Simargl 5 November 2019 19: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      shooting clearly. Who agrees?
      I'm against! Earthlings need organs.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 November 2019 12: 47 New
    -7
    Is there a tower in any way? Guard one hat, drive with a yellow ticket. Check for familiarity with the freak.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Guard one hat, drive with a yellow ticket.

      Will you go to his place?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 5 November 2019 20: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Guard one hat, drive with a yellow ticket.

        Will you go to his place?

        Never.
        Are you for subscribing, but not responding? So we have shootings in the army, there is a crust, but the horse is not mine, I am from 8 to 5.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 5 November 2019 20: 24 New
          -2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Are you for subscribing, but not responding?

          What does it mean to subscribe and not respond? I am in my place and doing my job, and I do it well (sometimes I get diplomas sometimes) and I am always responsible for my own affairs. You are ready to drive everyone with a yellow ticket. Well kicked out so what? Who will work under such conditions? I will not, you will not. Who! At least I’m not screaming here to drive everyone, when there’s nobody to work, unlike you. request
  • Lexus
    Lexus 5 November 2019 12: 47 New
    +5
    I cannot imagine such an atrocity in the Soviet Union. Probably, it is necessary once again to increase the MuVeDe and the "national guard", and more private security companies. It's easier than fighting sects and isolating the insane at the expense of the state from society.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 November 2019 13: 13 New
      0
      with the story of an infant eater, as I understand it, you are not very familiar.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 5 November 2019 13: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: lexus
      I can not imagine such atrocities in the Soviet Union

      In the USSR, there was censorship and information security. There was no internet and YouTube.
      And all sorts of books where it says that you will go to heaven if ....
      But there were all kinds of crimes against children. It just was not covered.
      1972 year. In one of the Moscow maternity hospitals, state of emergency. Someone literally in front of everyone is killing a midwife. Employees of the institution do not have time to recover from shock when it turns out: a newborn baby has been abducted from the ward.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTuTNanaeZU
    3. loki565
      loki565 5 November 2019 13: 29 New
      -1
      I can not imagine such atrocities in the Soviet Union

      In the Soviet Union, this was hushed up and rumors began to creep around the city worse than the yellow press. Plus mistakes, so instead of Chikatilo ten people arrested and executed two.
    4. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: lexus
      I can not imagine such atrocities in the Soviet Union.

      Have you been there (in the USSR)? I remembered something about Chikatilo ... repeat
      1. region58
        region58 7 November 2019 11: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Have you been there (in the USSR)?

        I'm from there. There was, of course, anything. But, the question is in quantity. Which turns into quality. And one precinct (usually unarmed) was enough for everyone in the district to be "polite to diarrhea (s)".
    5. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 5 November 2019 18: 21 New
      0
      You probably have not heard of Chikatilo? And about Mosgaz? Creamy? This one was a communist. Another thing is that the Soviet media did not write about this - the Union was still good.
    6. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 5 November 2019 20: 23 New
      0
      Quote: lexus
      I can not imagine such atrocities in the Soviet Union.

      And it is true. This was not the case in the USSR. Murders, I mean targeted, children ... I don’t know about that.
      So why does this outrage us today, but not surprise? The answer is simple - the socio-political system has changed. Socialism was replaced by capitalism, with all that it implies. How many men today are engaged not in productive work, which is extremely necessary, but in the "protection" of kindergartens, schools, hospitals. And the number of crimes not only has not decreased, but on the contrary is growing.
      And after that, someone will argue to me that the Soviet Government was bad? Not perfect, yes, but nothing is perfect. And in comparison with the current authorities ...
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 6 November 2019 12: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And it is true. This was not the case in the USSR. Murders, I mean targeted, children ... I don’t know about that.

        If you do not know about this, it does not mean that this was not. It’s just they didn’t tell you about it, as I correctly noticed
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        In the USSR, there was censorship and information security.
        .
        In the winter of 1986, being a police officer of the PPS, he received an orientation towards a criminal named "Fisher" (he accidentally found it in old personal papers), so that orientation did not say anything that he was a pedophile murderer. Subsequently, probably five years later, after his arrest, he learned his last name - Golovkin, in Moscow he killed boys of 8-10 years old, kept them in the garage, mocked, killed, dismembered bodies and hid them in the garage. At the time of receiving the orientation, no one told us that a pedophile was wanted, although we were police officers. So everyone knew what he was supposed to know. Maybe this is right, the less you know - you sleep better. And so the employee shared his orientation with his wife, and she said to a neighbor, a colleague at work and rushed ... "And like flies here and there rumors go home" (c) V. Vysotsky
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 5 November 2019 12: 48 New
    +5
    It is a pity. Abolished the death penalty.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 5 November 2019 13: 02 New
      +3
      Borisdalf the Blue imposed a moratorium because he was afraid that he would be "leaned against the wall." Although, examining the "system", all the collapse, nepotism and total corruption of the investigative and judicial authorities, I can assume that, in most cases, anyone will be killed, but not a criminal. Then they will be kicked out of the "PASSE", and we have already "brought in" there, and some will have nowhere to "go on business".
    2. knn54
      knn54 5 November 2019 13: 24 New
      +2
      The death penalty "sick in the head" will not stop.
      I agree, it is necessary to start with the media. And to ban ALL sects.
      1. kokaINru
        kokaINru 5 November 2019 14: 09 New
        0
        Cut off the head in the square. So that when they "cure" no one else will suffer.
  • RaptorF22A2
    RaptorF22A2 5 November 2019 12: 48 New
    +2
    Tin-plate am Children are virtually defenseless am From protection No sense am
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: RaptorF22А2
      From protection No sense

      What laws and payment, such protection ... request
  • GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 5 November 2019 12: 48 New
    +2
    One more. Previously, during the Union in LTP I would have sat myself and talked with voices under a barn lock. And now what to do, execute only. Protection is awful, of course ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 November 2019 12: 51 New
    +4
    Divorced ... a typical scourge ... He read a book. Is he able to read? When I hear about such people, I feel very sorry that we have a moratorium on the death penalty ...
  • bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 5 November 2019 12: 52 New
    +1
    And how the earth wears such freaks! And as in this case, without a tower, if he earned it!
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 November 2019 12: 55 New
    -1
    In fact, it is simply vital to restore the death penalty in the country, and, publicly, like in China, it’s unreasonable to shoot like that.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 5 November 2019 18: 23 New
      0
      What for? A cartridge of money is worth it. Let him inject 14 hours a day in especially dangerous jobs until he dies. You look and bring benefit to society.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 November 2019 13: 16 New
    +3
    It is clear that you can’t save enough time at all kindergartens, but back in the late sixties you could send your child to kindergarten, looking after him from the balcony, but you could pick it up ahead of time only with the permission of the teacher. And, if she did not know the visitor, she would ask the child who this was. If any hitches occurred, the child was not given.
    The fault of the guard is that he launched the visitor without even asking either his name or surname, nor did he come for anyone. Wow - remote security ... Fuck him for criminal negligence at the very grave ...
    All those who support the death penalty for such Sadughs support unequivocally.
    The fact that impunity has created glaring permissiveness is understandable without explanation. Such geeks cannot be called sick. A mad dog must be destroyed ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 November 2019 13: 21 New
      0
      not enough of this. those who hired him and then put him there instructions generally conveyed to him? or put the first one and let him sit? the tea teacher chases generally in another place. the children are alone at bedtime. there everyone excelled. and all must be punished without exception.
    2. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 5 November 2019 13: 23 New
      +3
      Yes, he didn’t even bother to tear off the fifth point !!
      Thought it was one of the parents.
      The city is small, the kindergarten is even smaller, for sure there everyone knows each other in person ...
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Everyone who unanimously supports the death penalty for such Sadugs

      With two hands behind.
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 13: 38 New
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It’s clear that you don’t get enough of all the kindergartens of sentries,

      "Accordion". request
  • Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 5 November 2019 14: 17 New
    +2
    As a person who has something to do with private security, a couple of questions arose.
    A) Why is a kindergarten in Naryan Mare in need of protection? Does the region seem to be not known for rampant terror or in the kindergarten are the children of oligarchs who are being hunted for ransom?
    C) If there is already security, why the hell is the guard not sitting at the entrance? Who invented a security system if the security guard does not have the ability to physically prevent entry through the door?
    C) What size is this garden, if the security guard did not manage to run away and save the child upon receiving the alarm?
    D) How does a person working in kindergarten not know the parents in the face, or at least not ask who the visitor came to?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 November 2019 14: 46 New
      +1
      on the first point, I think a strange question. Any places where children are should be guarded. just such a case is an example of that. there is no protection from fools and psychos. where he may appear not to guess. It is better to waste money than then read condolences. and for the rest just questions to the security company. which ensured the safety of the object by planting some kind of woodpecker which does not even understand its functions.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 November 2019 14: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      A) Why is a kindergarten in Naryan Mare in need of protection? Does the region seem to be not known for rampant terror or in the kindergarten are the children of oligarchs who are being hunted for ransom?

      As is clear from what happened, inadequate came into the kindergarten, nobody and nothing are guaranteed from such. Protection of children's institutions is a common practice in Russia.
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      C) If there is already security, why the hell is the guard not sitting at the entrance? Who invented a security system if the security guard does not have the ability to physically prevent entry through the door?

      This is the trouble, the human factor has not been canceled.
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      C) What size is this garden, if the security guard did not manage to run away and save the child upon receiving the alarm?

      Gardens come in various sizes, like the physical and mental conditions of the guards, in my opinion, many are simply not able to not only run, but also to walk. Healthy, strong, smart and prepared do not delay or do not go to work at all for such a salary.

      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      D) How does a person working in kindergarten not know the parents in the face, or at least not ask who the visitor came to?

      There are many factors, including all of the above.
    3. Avior
      Avior 5 November 2019 18: 05 New
      +2
      I think he works in a security company, not in a kindergarten.
      And she doesn’t know her parents in person.
      The system should be organized so that parents can get in only in the presence of the teacher.
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 5 November 2019 18: 13 New
        +1
        Usually a guard works constantly at some facility. And if he came at once, then he should let in only in the presence of one of the garden workers. This is how it works for us in Israel.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 5 November 2019 18: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And if he came at once, then he should let in only in the presence of one of the garden workers. This is how it works for us in Israel.

          In general, I would take a lot from Israel, as an example of very high-quality security of citizens.
          1. Zeev Zeev
            Zeev Zeev 5 November 2019 19: 23 New
            +1
            Actually the question is in the quality of labor and teaching methods. Even the oldest and most creaky security guard at the school knows all his duties very well, because they shove him every six months without fail at one-day trainings. And checks are arranged constantly. Although now there are practically no guards in kindergartens, they cost a fence, an intercom and a couple of armed guards on motorcycles
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 5 November 2019 20: 16 New
              -1
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              Actually the question is in the quality of labor and teaching methods. Even the oldest and most creaky security guard at the school knows all his duties very well, because they shove him every six months without fail at one-day trainings. And checks are constantly arranged

              Everything is true, but the guards in Russia, in most cases, are not motivated in any way. For example, at the school where my son studies, the guards receive about 10000 rubles, these are old pensioners, they would have to get a change. Tests for knowledge and aptitude are carried out periodically, they are paid, if you do not fit into the standard, you undergo retraining at your own expense, undergo a medical examination, for money. I was told that in the exam questions, there are such. how under what conditions and temperature should rubber sticks be stored, why is it necessary? During the test for speedy dressing of a bulletproof vest, a vest of an outdated design, where it is fastened not with Velcro, but with a tape for a pair of metal rings, and when the guard with shaking hands finally hits the rings with the tape, the examiner tells him - "you did not meet the standard, 1 second" ... A retake follows, for money and retraining, for money. Sometimes it runs in the amount of 15000, with a salary of 10000. Isn't that cool? laughing
              1. Zeev Zeev
                Zeev Zeev 5 November 2019 20: 32 New
                +1
                It's not cool, it's a thick northern fox. We have for the security guards of educational institutions (schools mainly) all one-day retraining (once every six months, one hundred rounds, one and a half hours of basic hand melee, a lecture on the rules of conduct, rights and obligations of the security guard) is at the expense of the company in which he works. Moreover, this day is paid. And the basic weekly rate is also paid by the company. And no one remembers bulletproof vests or sticks; the guard has a gun for protection.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 5 November 2019 20: 37 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Zeev Zeev
                  It's not cool, it's a thick northern fox.

                  I don’t know how much grief and misfortune is still needed for something to move in Russia in the field of protection and safety of citizens, in my opinion this is a serious problem that needs to be solved the day before yesterday. request
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 5 November 2019 20: 57 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    It's not cool, it's a thick northern fox.

                    I don’t know how much grief and misfortune is still needed for something to move in Russia in the field of protection and safety of citizens, in my opinion this is a serious problem that needs to be solved the day before yesterday.

                    Do not confuse the warm with the soft ...
                    In the Russian North, in the regional centers of Pomerania, sometimes they don’t close houses at the castle. This is not Arab lawlessness for you, that is in the promised land, that in the main European shelter center of the poor and unjustly affected.
                    The case is monstrous. But exceptional.
                    PS In our cities in the evenings you can walk, without fear of becoming a victim of immigrants from Gaza, Palestine or Afghanistan.
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 5 November 2019 21: 15 New
                      -1
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      In the Russian North, in the regional centers of Pomerania, sometimes they don’t close houses at the castle. This is not Arab lawlessness for you, that is in the promised land, that in the main European shelter center of the poor and unjustly affected.
                      The case is monstrous. But exceptional.
                      PS In our cities in the evenings you can walk, without fear of becoming a victim of immigrants from Gaza, Palestine or Afghanistan.

                      So you're lucky (at least for now). I have never been to such places (except Cyprus (and I won’t say it now) and San Marino)).
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 5 November 2019 21: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        So you're lucky (at least for now). I have never been to such places (except Cyprus (and I won’t say it now) and San Marino)).

                        What do you mean lucky? Moreover, "bye"?
                        "I won't tell you about the whole of Odessa ..", but this is a normal state of affairs even in regional centers, when residents can afford to walk in the city center, on the embankment.
                        Without fanaticism, I inform you that the PPP does not bypass the handful of representatives of the non-indigenous nation. And on the occasion of the developed GSM network, to a call about a non-standard situation, the police may not react immediately, but rather quickly. The notorious "90s" are a thing of the past.
                        When I visit the port cities of Germany, I prefer not to leave the ship unnecessarily at night. This also applies to the rest of the countries that have accepted with open arms "refugees" and other "unfortunate". And Germany, which until the 90s of the last century was the standard of cleanliness and order on the streets, today in this regard has rolled back close to Albania.
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 5 November 2019 21: 48 New
                        -1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        What do you mean lucky? Moreover, "bye"?

                        That is exactly what it means.
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 5 November 2019 21: 55 New
                        -1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The notorious "90s" are a thing of the past.

                        In some places in Russia.
                      4. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 5 November 2019 22: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        In some places in Russia.

                        It remains to recall "Once in America", "Once in Russia", etc.
                        I explain on the fingers.
                        Crime is a social disease of any society.
                        Street crime is its most revealing form.
                        That one. In this regard, you involuntarily impose true street crime in Germany, especially in its large cities, on modern Russian reality.
                        I didn't want to remind you, but that famous "New Year's Cologne Night" has already entered the history of modern Germany.
                        And the problem is that today's Russophobic hysteria, picked up by the "inappropriate" mass media of "democratic Europe", implants in the minds of respectable citizens the axiom that everything is very bad in Russia.
                        In fact, everything is very bad with you. There, in the "free" world of Germany, Scandinavia. The lawlessness of visiting "refugees" reaches an unacceptable level. And the party "Alternative for Germany" arose precisely thanks to the "phenomenon" of refugees, "to infringe on the rights of which" - God forbid ...
                        Learn Farsi. It will be useful ...
                      5. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 5 November 2019 22: 30 New
                        -1
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Explain on the fingers

                        I live in Russia, Ilyich. hi
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        In fact, everything is very bad for you

                        I love intellectuals. laughing
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Learn Farsi. Useful ...

                        In Russia, Turkic languages ​​are more relevant ... repeat
                        It happens that the gypsies come up with a question, I answered them: "Men are a Russian belme" and they quickly leave, learn languages, it may come in handy. wink
                      6. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 5 November 2019 22: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        I love intellectuals.

                        Sorry.
                        Everything is normal with a sexual orientation.
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        I live in Russia

                        Live ...
                      7. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 6 November 2019 07: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Everything is normal with a sexual orientation.

                        Glad for you, I won’t be more interested in intelligence. repeat laughing
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 5 November 2019 21: 59 New
                -1
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                The notorious "90s" are a thing of the past.

                Another islet of security (believe me, there are a lot of such things, because it didn’t affect you, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t, you just got lucky) repeat
        2. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 5 November 2019 21: 09 New
          0
          In order for something to change in this regard, the attitude towards people must change.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 5 November 2019 21: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Zeev Zeev
            In order for something to change in this regard, the attitude towards people must change.

            I do not argue.
  • BAI
    BAI 5 November 2019 14: 25 New
    +1
    For such people, it is necessary to introduce the death penalty by special decree.
    1. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 5 November 2019 14: 52 New
      0
      In this case, the mutant can get off the asylum.
      But who organized such a leaky security system in a child care institution than what gets off?
      In addition, not all kindergartens have security.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 November 2019 14: 33 New
    +2
    Today I went into the kindergarten one by one, I went to the nurse for clarifications, I didn’t even press anything, I just walked after the employee. That's natural, how to live that? Freaks more and more.
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 5 November 2019 14: 39 New
    0
    After the events in Kerch, everyone vigorously discussed the need to strengthen the protection of institutions associated with the mass presence of people.
    No one made conclusions ... and will not do it now.
  • parkello
    parkello 5 November 2019 14: 48 New
    +1
    they must be shot or given to the parents of the child to be torn to pieces. nothing else can be ... no psychiatric hospitals and analyzes, put in public in public, as under Ivan the Terrible. otherwise they will often appear. from impunity. killed a child, no pity for this ku !!! or on a count or a quarter. the same thing for betrayal .yu ... and the higher the position, the more severe the punishment should be. and then lit up the ghouls ... sort it out for spare parts ... to whom is the liver, to whom are the kidneys ... but that he would no longer live ... enough is enough for how long he lived.
  • Oleg (Kharkov)
    Oleg (Kharkov) 5 November 2019 15: 41 New
    0
    Right under Stalin they planted books, promising eternal life!
  • Elephant
    Elephant 5 November 2019 15: 44 New
    0
    Often in the contract with security companies it is written that the guards do not bear any responsibility for children and people in the kindergarten, but only for the property of the institution. Now, if someone had taken out the printer, the guard would certainly have reacted. In general, in our country it is necessary to return a firing squad and at night to show the execution of sentences in relation to all kinds of freaks and maniacs in 4K on TV (as an alternative to horror movies). am
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 5 November 2019 15: 49 New
    -1
    Yeah, do not let in, close, pass and chip in the ass. But mnu had a very recent story, a neighbor got into an accident, nothing serious, but hung there, asked for a small one and cartoons with candy to arrange, called the ward, warned, like all the rules. But the guard is a stubborn, not comin and scribe. He explained the situation, it’s all through the negotiation desk at the gate, I tell the educator tell me, she is in the know. But he rested his horn - it wasn’t all right, even though the count on the head is comic. Until he got through to the supervisor for half an hour, he stood dumb at the gate. It's me that there are enough sheep of all sorts ...
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