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In China: J-20 fighter has become more expensive than the American F-35

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The Chinese media have noted the fact that the mass production of American F-35 fighters has led to the fact that the Chinese J-20 is now more expensive than the fifth-generation American fighter. Recall that in China it is believed that today only J-20 is the only competitor in the field of implemented technologies to the aforementioned American aircraft.




It is noted that in connection with the implementation of a new contract for several hundred F-35A and F-35B, the price of an American-made aircraft can drop to 70 million ("or even lower") dollars per unit.

This is significantly cheaper than the J-20, which suggests the following: even if China decides to enter the international market with a new generation fighter, then American competitors will have a significant price advantage.

J-20 began to lose to the American fighter at a price, it just became more expensive

-state in China.

However, it does not say which country in the world the Chinese could offer the purchase of J-20. In any case, someone who would like to buy a Chinese J-20 is unlikely to enter the market for Americans to sell their F-35.

A weekly column in the Chinese military analysis TV shows that China “should focus on the domestic market, but at the same time look for opportunities to make the J-20 fighter cheaper.” It is added that the combat aircraft "must not lose its effectiveness."

Recall that earlier Chinese experts proposed the option of purchasing several Russian Su-57 - "for the study of technology."
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 1 November 2019 09: 14
    +6
    What have our engine prices raised for them? laughing
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 1 November 2019 10: 11
      +3
      I see no reason to count their money. They, unlike us, have them. On the development of the state and the army, and not on the heels of a handful of the elect.
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 November 2019 09: 16
    +4
    Well, for starters, China needs to replace a number of aircraft with the J20m, as in the USA it replaces the F16, F15, A10, F18 ... then there will be mass.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 1 November 2019 09: 28
      +5
      Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American ones. Although, of course, the dependence of the price of the aircraft is also high on the volume of orders.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 November 2019 09: 33
        +2
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American

        Higher than in America, the Chinese began to receive? You are mistaken greatly .. While this is not so. The Chinese earn more than ours, but they are still far from the United States.
        1. Son of sorts
          Son of sorts 1 November 2019 09: 53
          -5
          The Chinese do not earn more than ours, as was and remains $ 170 on average per month. What they write $ 330, this is because there are one millionaire, multimillionaire or billionaire per thousand Chinese people, the number of rich in China has increased, not salaries.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 November 2019 09: 58
            +2
            Quote: Son of Rod
            The Chinese do not earn more than ours, as was and remains $ 170

            Here you have a look, the average salary in Russia is $ 527, we are in 66th place, near Peru .. we are ahead of Namibia, Guatemala .. China is in 43rd place with an average salary of $ 888 ..
            https://bcb.su/srednyaya-zarplaty-v-mire.htm
            1. vadson
              vadson 1 November 2019 10: 26
              +6
              Good day, the measurement in dollars is from the evil one, basically. you need to take the consumer basket of the average citizen and measure it first in rubles and the same in China and then measure it. but it turns out if you measure in maybach, for example, then the percentage of all taxes in this product will be very large. Well, or for example, how much does a loaf of bread cost and how much is in China. and then see how much bread you can buy in local currency per month
              1. Antipatr
                Antipatr 1 November 2019 20: 09
                -2
                The dollar measurement is correct. It provides a comparison not only of quantity, but also of the quality of goods and services. For example, a Chinese and an American each have one house and one car. But it will be DIFFERENT houses and cars. If a loaf of bread in America is more expensive, then its price includes high salaries and pensions for bakers, drivers, sellers, farmers, the quality of roads, etc. Even the cost of the F-35 is included! The lowest prices in Africa, Afghanistan and Bangladesh, and so what?
            2. Stalllker
              Stalllker 1 November 2019 10: 46
              0
              Are you raving ???
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 1 November 2019 11: 11
                +4
                Quote: Stalllker
                Are you raving ???

                You rave, he speaks correctly! For example, compare the amount of utility costs in, for example, Germany and ours, as well as taxes and then consider the remainder and convert to rubles, I'm afraid you will be surprised!
            3. GibSoN
              GibSoN 1 November 2019 19: 26
              -1
              average salary in Russia - $ 527
              Yah?! Responsibly declare! Race! Even for people with qualifications.
              Although regarding the topic of RFP in China, there are no special complaints. We are the bottom.
      2. Cut Samshitov
        Cut Samshitov 1 November 2019 11: 08
        0
        [/ quote] [quote = bessmertniy] Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American. Although, of course, the dependence of the price of the aircraft is also high on the volume of orders.

        Do you seriously think that the Chinese worker gets more than the American?
        1. GibSoN
          GibSoN 1 November 2019 19: 31
          -2
          Do you seriously think that the Chinese worker gets more than the American?
          Are you serious about being so simple about this topic? Which worker? What exactly is he doing? What type of income does he have - a deal or an hourly one? There are many questions. Why, let’s say no one is surprised that in Russia there are more RFPs in Rosskosmos than in NASA? It would seem, what does this analogy have to do with it? After all, a worker in China, receiving 0.1 bucks for each assembled gadget, cannot receive more than a worker in the USA, receiving 1 bucks for each assembled gadget?
  3. Jerk
    Jerk 1 November 2019 09: 16
    +6
    able to drop to 70 million
    And they sell for 200 ..
    even if China decides to enter the international market with a new generation fighter, then American competitors will have a significant price advantage.
    Once again, the price tag is 200!
    Psi: and 70 apiece - they PROMISED that the F-35 would cost that way - but it just didn't work.
    1. thinker
      thinker 1 November 2019 11: 50
      +4
      Quote: Jerk
      Once again, the price tag is 200!

      And where are the price tags? request

      https://vpk.name/news/341768_f35_desheveyut.html
  4. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 1 November 2019 09: 18
    +3
    The Chinese media say that the mass production of American F-35 fighters has led to the fact that the Chinese J-20 is now more expensive than the fifth-generation American fighter


    It is noted that in connection with the implementation of the new contract for several hundred F-35A and F-35B, the price of an American-made aircraft can drop to 70 million ("or even lower") dollars per unit.


    Everything is quite logical.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 1 November 2019 09: 35
    +13
    The Americans are building their plane in the hope of justifying the costs of it by obligatory sale to the NATO bloc and other buyers, showing a big fist.
    China is promoting its aircraft to prove its involvement in the process, without any plans to sell to the foreign market.
    Russia remains to engage in its own development and prove to the world (the market) that it is the Russian aircraft that meets the stated characteristics and is the best in terms of price / quality ratio.
    The Russian people must be sure that the borders of their homeland are under reliable protection.
    And the rest ... Let them walk there in the deserts, let them split their ass into two halves and rule, let them sit on the banks of the river and wait ... We have our own goals and means.
    1. armata_armata
      armata_armata 1 November 2019 10: 02
      +2
      The Russian people must be sure that the borders of their homeland are under reliable protection.

      For this you need more than 76 su-57
      1. aleks26
        aleks26 1 November 2019 12: 25
        0
        Quote: armata_armata
        For this you need more than 76 su-57

        What for? What tasks to solve? He will not replace the Su-34. It will not replace the MiG-31. This is not a workhorse like the Su-35. He has his own niche. And why did you decide that the MO will stop at 76 units? Not all at once.
        1. armata_armata
          armata_armata 2 November 2019 01: 03
          0
          What for?

          Then, that the borders of the Russian Federation are the longest in the world and forgive 400 fighters (counting already with the concluded contract for Su-57) for the whole country this is a miser. No, if you are going to defend exclusively Moscow and Leningrad Region then yes
          This is not a workhorse like the Su-35
          The SU-35 fighter is a 4 ++ generation and is already morally obsolete, just like the SU-30 and the entire SU-27 platform. However, even these workhorses (SU-35 and SU-30) are only 200 pieces, which is negligible for the Russian Federation.
          And if our Air Force wants in the 20-30s of the 21st century not to repeat the current fate of the Russian fleet, then the su-57 should become really the main horse and in the amount of at least 300-500 vehicles
          And why did you decide that the MO will stop at 76 units? Not all at once.

          Even if production of 76 fighters is not stopped in 10 years, chickens laugh and are clearly not enough for the Air Force
  6. V1er
    V1er 1 November 2019 09: 57
    +2
    The cost of a contract for 76 Su-57 fighters for the formation of three air regiments, according to the Kommersant newspaper, is 170 billion rubles, which is approximately $ 2,6 billion at the rate of 65 rubles for $ 1, or about $ 35,6 million for one aircraft. Various analysts and experts both in Russia and in the West were extremely surprised at such an uncharacteristically low cost of the fighter.
  7. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 1 November 2019 10: 01
    0
    Where's the price tag for a Chinese plane? It should be in RMB, this is most likely a lie. China can do it cheaply.
  8. Terenin
    Terenin 1 November 2019 10: 02
    +4
    It is noted that in connection with the implementation of the new contract ...

    It is significantly cheaper than the J-20, ...

    The question is more trade and financial than comparing the performance characteristics of competing aircraft.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 November 2019 10: 13
    0
    Is there a market for the J-20 other than China and maybe Pakistan?
  10. vanavatny
    vanavatny 1 November 2019 10: 22
    +1
    nothing, now they will finish ... twenty J-20 factories and everything will be fine with them
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 1 November 2019 12: 53
    +1
    The Chinese can consider anything, this does not mean that they are right.
  12. ig67i
    ig67i 1 November 2019 14: 00
    0
    product (craft) - dead end in terms of set goals
  13. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 1 November 2019 15: 30
    +1
    QED
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  15. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 1 November 2019 21: 43
    0
    Something I do not personally believe in Chinese aircraft.
    Even the fu-35 seems to me more promising, the Americans have a lot of experience in aircraft manufacturing.
  16. sH, arK
    sH, arK 2 November 2019 19: 21
    0
    It is nonsense to compare a heavy strike twin-engine fighter with an F-35 penguin.