In China: J-20 fighter has become more expensive than the American F-35

The Chinese media have noted the fact that the mass production of American F-35 fighters has led to the fact that the Chinese J-20 is now more expensive than the fifth-generation American fighter. Recall that in China it is believed that today only J-20 is the only competitor in the field of implemented technologies to the aforementioned American aircraft.

It is noted that in connection with the implementation of a new contract for several hundred F-35A and F-35B, the price of an American-made aircraft can drop to 70 million ("or even lower") dollars per unit.

This is significantly cheaper than the J-20, which suggests the following: even if China decides to enter the international market with a new generation fighter, then American competitors will have a significant price advantage.

J-20 began to lose to the American fighter at a price, it just became more expensive

-state in China.

However, it does not say which country in the world the Chinese could offer the purchase of J-20. In any case, someone who would like to buy a Chinese J-20 is unlikely to enter the market for Americans to sell their F-35.

A weekly column in the Chinese military analysis TV shows that China “should focus on the domestic market, but at the same time look for opportunities to make the J-20 fighter cheaper.” It is added that the combat aircraft "must not lose its effectiveness."

Recall that earlier Chinese experts proposed the option of purchasing several Russian Su-57 - "for the study of technology."

Comments

[Svarog]

What have our engine prices raised for them?

[Lexus]

I see no reason to count their money. They, unlike us, have them. On the development of the state and the army, and not on the heels of a handful of the elect.

[Zaurbek]

Well, for starters, China needs to replace a number of aircraft with the J20m, as in the USA it replaces the F16, F15, A10, F18 ... then there will be mass.

[bessmertniy]

Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American ones. Although, of course, the dependence of the price of the aircraft is also high on the volume of orders.

[Svarog]

Quote: bessmertniy

Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American

Higher than in America, the Chinese began to receive? You are mistaken greatly .. While this is not so. The Chinese earn more than ours, but they are still far from the United States.

[Son of sorts]

The Chinese do not earn more than ours, as was and remains $ 170 on average per month. What they write $ 330, this is because there are one millionaire, multimillionaire or billionaire per thousand Chinese people, the number of rich in China has increased, not salaries.

[Svarog]

Quote: Son of Rod

The Chinese do not earn more than ours, as was and remains $ 170

Here you have a look, the average salary in Russia is $ 527, we are in 66th place, near Peru .. we are ahead of Namibia, Guatemala .. China is in 43rd place with an average salary of $ 888 ..
https://bcb.su/srednyaya-zarplaty-v-mire.htm

[vadson]

Good day, the measurement in dollars is from the evil one, basically. you need to take the consumer basket of the average citizen and measure it first in rubles and the same in China and then measure it. but it turns out if you measure in maybach, for example, then the percentage of all taxes in this product will be very large. Well, or for example, how much does a loaf of bread cost and how much is in China. and then see how much bread you can buy in local currency per month

[Antipatr]

The dollar measurement is correct. It provides a comparison not only of quantity, but also of the quality of goods and services. For example, a Chinese and an American each have one house and one car. But it will be DIFFERENT houses and cars. If a loaf of bread in America is more expensive, then its price includes high salaries and pensions for bakers, drivers, sellers, farmers, the quality of roads, etc. Even the cost of the F-35 is included! The lowest prices in Africa, Afghanistan and Bangladesh, and so what?

[Stalllker]

Are you raving ???

[neri73-r]

Quote: Stalllker

Are you raving ???

You rave, he speaks correctly! For example, compare the amount of utility costs in, for example, Germany and ours, as well as taxes and then consider the remainder and convert to rubles, I'm afraid you will be surprised!

[GibSoN]

average salary in Russia - $ 527

Yah?! Responsibly declare! Race! Even for people with qualifications.
Although regarding the topic of RFP in China, there are no special complaints. We are the bottom.

[Cut Samshitov]

[/ quote] [quote = bessmertniy] Labor in China began to be paid higher - that’s what makes planes more expensive than American. Although, of course, the dependence of the price of the aircraft is also high on the volume of orders.

Do you seriously think that the Chinese worker gets more than the American?

[GibSoN]

Do you seriously think that the Chinese worker gets more than the American?

Are you serious about being so simple about this topic? Which worker? What exactly is he doing? What type of income does he have - a deal or an hourly one? There are many questions. Why, let’s say no one is surprised that in Russia there are more RFPs in Rosskosmos than in NASA? It would seem, what does this analogy have to do with it? After all, a worker in China, receiving 0.1 bucks for each assembled gadget, cannot receive more than a worker in the USA, receiving 1 bucks for each assembled gadget?

[Jerk]

able to drop to 70 million

And they sell for 200 ..

even if China decides to enter the international market with a new generation fighter, then American competitors will have a significant price advantage.

Once again, the price tag is 200!
Psi: and 70 apiece - they PROMISED that the F-35 would cost that way - but it just didn't work.

[thinker]

Quote: Jerk

Once again, the price tag is 200!

And where are the price tags?

https://vpk.name/news/341768_f35_desheveyut.html

[Jack O'Neill]

The Chinese media say that the mass production of American F-35 fighters has led to the fact that the Chinese J-20 is now more expensive than the fifth-generation American fighter

It is noted that in connection with the implementation of the new contract for several hundred F-35A and F-35B, the price of an American-made aircraft can drop to 70 million ("or even lower") dollars per unit.

Everything is quite logical.

[Ross xnumx]

The Americans are building their plane in the hope of justifying the costs of it by obligatory sale to the NATO bloc and other buyers, showing a big fist.
China is promoting its aircraft to prove its involvement in the process, without any plans to sell to the foreign market.
Russia remains to engage in its own development and prove to the world (the market) that it is the Russian aircraft that meets the stated characteristics and is the best in terms of price / quality ratio.
The Russian people must be sure that the borders of their homeland are under reliable protection.
And the rest ... Let them walk there in the deserts, let them split their ass into two halves and rule, let them sit on the banks of the river and wait ... We have our own goals and means.

[armata_armata]

The Russian people must be sure that the borders of their homeland are under reliable protection.

For this you need more than 76 su-57

[aleks26]

Quote: armata_armata

For this you need more than 76 su-57

What for? What tasks to solve? He will not replace the Su-34. It will not replace the MiG-31. This is not a workhorse like the Su-35. He has his own niche. And why did you decide that the MO will stop at 76 units? Not all at once.

[armata_armata]

What for?

Then, that the borders of the Russian Federation are the longest in the world and forgive 400 fighters (counting already with the concluded contract for Su-57) for the whole country this is a miser. No, if you are going to defend exclusively Moscow and Leningrad Region then yes

This is not a workhorse like the Su-35

The SU-35 fighter is a 4 ++ generation and is already morally obsolete, just like the SU-30 and the entire SU-27 platform. However, even these workhorses (SU-35 and SU-30) are only 200 pieces, which is negligible for the Russian Federation.
And if our Air Force wants in the 20-30s of the 21st century not to repeat the current fate of the Russian fleet, then the su-57 should become really the main horse and in the amount of at least 300-500 vehicles

And why did you decide that the MO will stop at 76 units? Not all at once.

Even if production of 76 fighters is not stopped in 10 years, chickens laugh and are clearly not enough for the Air Force

[V1er]

The cost of a contract for 76 Su-57 fighters for the formation of three air regiments, according to the Kommersant newspaper, is 170 billion rubles, which is approximately $ 2,6 billion at the rate of 65 rubles for $ 1, or about $ 35,6 million for one aircraft. Various analysts and experts both in Russia and in the West were extremely surprised at such an uncharacteristically low cost of the fighter.

[Herman 4223]

Where's the price tag for a Chinese plane? It should be in RMB, this is most likely a lie. China can do it cheaply.

[Terenin]

It is noted that in connection with the implementation of the new contract ...

It is significantly cheaper than the J-20, ...

The question is more trade and financial than comparing the performance characteristics of competing aircraft.

[Pavel57]

Is there a market for the J-20 other than China and maybe Pakistan?

[vanavatny]

nothing, now they will finish ... twenty J-20 factories and everything will be fine with them

[Ros 56]

The Chinese can consider anything, this does not mean that they are right.

[ig67i]

product (craft) - dead end in terms of set goals

[7,62x54]

QED

[Lord of the Sith]

Something I do not personally believe in Chinese aircraft.
Even the fu-35 seems to me more promising, the Americans have a lot of experience in aircraft manufacturing.

[sH, arK]

It is nonsense to compare a heavy strike twin-engine fighter with an F-35 penguin.