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In Poland, they called mistakes during the training of GROM special forces in urban conditions

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In Poland, they spoke about the training of GROM special forces. It is reported that one of the most important components for commandos at the moment is the development of operations in urban areas.


In Poland, they called mistakes during the training of GROM special forces in urban conditions


Training takes place at a training ground in the city of Wenjin.

From the statement of the commander of one of the GROM units:

It is important for fighters to practice tactics of military operations in an urban environment. But we do not practice assault missions. We do not storm buildings. We provide support to the unit, which solves the task assigned to it at this site. It reminds a situation when money is delivered to the bank. The task of protecting the bank is to ensure the security of money from all directions. Our task is to take control of the sector in the city and defend it so that the enemy could not interfere with the implementation of the main phase of the operation from the outside.

During one of the trainings, Polish commandos were tasked to advance to the designated area. On the way, as reported by the Polish media, an introductory message about an attack on special forces was received. Polish soldiers took refuge in the building and took up a circular defense, "turning the building into a real fortress for 24 hours."

Unit Commander:

Our task is for the main power units in the combat mission area to feel that we are ensuring their safety.

It is not entirely clear how this statement fits in with the words that the GROM unit attacked the conditional enemy during the passage to the operation area, from which they actually had to hide in a separate building for about a day.

After operations within the training course, results are summarized. In particular, a number of errors have been reported. Here are a few of those listed by the Thunder Command:

the fighters, being in the building, came too close to the window openings, often completely blocking the windows with their bodies and becoming easy prey, for example, a sniper (this was due to the fatigue of the fighters for 24 being in the building);

the fighters of one unit were very dispersed, missing the opportunity to cover their comrades.

The command notes that the fighters who are going to stay in the GROM cage should work on the mistakes.
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  1. Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 31 October 2019 13: 56
    +1
    In fights in urban conditions, not classic special forces are needed, but specially trained squads, snipers and ATGM calculations ... that's all
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 31 October 2019 15: 45
      0
      It is the assault, which does not need to free the hostages.
      1. Saboteur Holuy
        Saboteur Holuy 31 October 2019 16: 10
        +1
        Well, yes, assault squads of up to 600 people in each squad where the squad itself was divided into small mobile groups from 3 to 10, depending on tasks ... The main thing here is to have a stable and well-protected radio communication, and good interaction brought to a synchronism between snipers, ATGM calculations and the groups themselves ... Somewhere you need stationary positions for snipers, somewhere you need to redo it, you need to divide the city into sectors ... I think right now you can already capture Kiev with three such units, the main thing is to cut a road to the city is from the airport, but BTGs from the Airborne Forces reinforced by tanks are already needed here, the assault troops themselves must enter the city directly on this road ...
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 31 October 2019 16: 44
          0
          Quote: Saboteur Holuay
          I think right now, Kiev can already be captured by three such detachments, the main thing is to cut a road to the city from the airport, but BTGs from the airborne forces reinforced by tanks are already needed here, the assault detachments themselves must enter the city directly ...

          Holy, Holy with you, last century! Now this is not fashionable, and there will be many civilian casualties. Destroy the entire infrastructure, as civilized and elected do, and then .... talk. hi
          1. Saboteur Holuy
            Saboteur Holuy 31 October 2019 19: 20
            +2
            I think there would be no big problems during the capture, in the first hours the main garrison would surrender, but with further resistance they could be crushed quickly. Snipers in the very first hours would have knocked everyone out, and the headquarters in the basements of houses with massive explosions can be destroyed, only good is needed radio direction finding ...
        2. Jerk
          Jerk 31 October 2019 16: 51
          0
          You can capture it, but then what to do with it? For different Turchinov and Gavrilyukov - veterinarians do not stock up
          1. Saboteur Holuy
            Saboteur Holuy 31 October 2019 19: 14
            +3
            I think I’ll find such people to transfer power to the Ukrainians who want to be with Russia. I recall that when the GKChP was only planning, the KGB conducted special training, on the first day of the GKChP, the heads of Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and Kravchuk from Ukraine were ready to recognize the GKChP, recently there was a direct interview on TV they were shown from that time, but Besides the KGB and Kryuchkov, everyone in the GKChP turned out to be cowards ... if the spirits were enough, the USSR could resist, and a little blood would be shed ...
  2. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 31 October 2019 14: 06
    0
    They don’t think about it, like other NATO countries and those licking them.
    1. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 31 October 2019 15: 01
      +1
      Correctly say, they need to study ZOMP.
  3. Tests
    Tests 31 October 2019 14: 07
    +2
    We will not forget to take sappers, aircraft controllers, signalmen, flamethrowers or grenade launchers into specially trained ones, it’s not a sin to take machine gunners, and those who know how to operate with "Needles" would not be forgotten. And in order not to carry everything on oneself - the cart, at least whatever, would not be forgotten.
    1. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 31 October 2019 14: 55
      +1
      Quote: Tests
      In specially trained

      it was associated with the fatigue of the fighters for 24 being in the building
      Do you speak trained? They are tired in the building 24 hours be, and if you had to fight, then they would be tired after how much time? what
  4. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 31 October 2019 14: 10
    0
    Yes, they themselves are like a mistake when they gave their army and country to the minke whales, and what then can be expected from the Thunder unit. You need more skills and experience, then they will cope with all the tasks, and not look at the whales.
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 October 2019 14: 34
    +5
    Urban battles require special complex drills. We once had only one company training on battles in the city, the seizure of houses, etc. This is not enough. Therefore, our reservist infantry battalion did not receive certification for "urban battles" - only certification for "battles in the open area"
    In this sense, I understand the commander of this THUNDER.
    1. venik
      venik 31 October 2019 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      City battles require special complex exercises.

      =======
      Alas! During the Second World War, "engineering assault units" were created in the Soviet Army. They were also called "engineering assault sapper brigades":

      As a matter of fact, it was THEY who stormed Königsberg, and then Berlin! Well distinguished there! soldier
  6. knn54
    knn54 31 October 2019 14: 41
    +3
    It seems that "Thunder" is not the same.
  7. novel66
    novel66 31 October 2019 15: 09
    +1
    the main mistake - not a single liquor store was captured!
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  9. Kibl
    Kibl 31 October 2019 17: 18
    +1
    What ?!! Tired of the day, ah, ah! Yes, it's not Jacob Pavlov and his famous house in Stalingrad!
  10. Tests
    Tests 31 October 2019 23: 36
    +1
    venik (Vladimir), dear, I think that my neighbor would not agree with your statements. Königsberg, he stormed from the north-west on ISU-152. He was a brother-soldier of Alexander Kosmodemyansky. According to his stories "Katyusha" and "Vanyusha" trees and an earthen cushion were removed from the forts in 30-40 minutes, and all the German artillery was destroyed. The scouts worked for almost a week before the assault, since the rain helped the intelligence work. Then the guns of the RGK began to break the fort's bricks. Then their regiment, battery-wise, 5 cars each, went to the line of opening fire, to direct fire, and calmly, like on a training ground, fired ammunition at the machine-gun embrasures of the fort. , opened fire. They slowly cleaned, replenished the ammunition and again to the line of opening fire. So 1,5 or 4 times. Through their heads continuously, 5-2 hours, guns of the RGK and guns and mortars of a smaller caliber fired. When the penalty box broke into the fort, many Germans were bleeding from their ears, and many prisoners were taken. In his words, when they went west from the city to the Zemland peninsula, the Germans fought desperately there. And in the city, the artillery simply grinded everything into dust and the infantry, with the support of the SU-3 (Georgy Mikhailovich called them "Voentorg"), went forward very quickly. Not long ago I found it on the "Feat of the People": http://podvignaroda.mil.ru/?#id=76&tab=navDetailDocument