"Modernization after the events in the Crimea": the Bundeswehr received the first modernized tank Leopard 2A7V

German tank troops received the first modernized tank Leopard 2A7V. The modernization was carried out by specialists from KMW (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann GmbH), about 49% of which is owned by Siemens.

In the German press it is noted that after the end of the Cold War, the concept of the Bundeswehr was actually aimed at abandoning heavy armored vehicles - at creating lightly armored maneuverable vehicles. However, "because of events in the Crimea," as German military experts write, "the German military department was forced to return to the previous concept and develop it with the help of modernizing tanks."

It was for this concept that Krauss-Maffei Wegmann received a contract to upgrade the 104 tanks already in service with the Bundeswehr.

Among those that fell into the modernization program are 20 Leopard 2A7 tanks. They are upgraded to the version of “Fau” (V) - from the word “verbessert”, which can be translated as “improved”.

Improved German Leopards receive an updated weapon control system and the ability to fire DM11 programmable ammunition from Rheinmetall.

Also, the first tank, which returned to service after modernization, is equipped with an updated engine with increased power, a new navigation system and a thermal imager, a laser range finder and an on-board computer.

In total, the German treasury modernization of more than a hundred tanks will cost approximately 760 million euros.

Comments

[nPuBaTuP]

And here they attributed Crimea ...
What nafig events?
Our Crimea and where does the Bundeswehr with its plans for modernization?

[Zeev Zeev]

Moreover, Crimea, that after 2014 your country again became a likely adversary, for confrontation which does not need light armored vehicles for antiterrorist operations, but tanks. Be proud.

[Hunter 2]

No, we are just laughing what is the confrontation ??? What are you talking about? Manstein there is still not going to clone, to command the modernized tank wedges to strike in the Crimea ???
And let Big Bert be rebuilt ...

[novel66]

we all remember the fierce tank attacks in Crimea .... Leo is not ready for them ...

[Leopold]

Novel Just the other day, two articles came out about the Germans and the French starting a joint development, but what about modernization? As I understand it, that project will drag on for 10 years and it is not known how it will end. In the meantime, a hundred Leo2 upgrade?

[novel66]

Earrings so of course - while developing and adopting - half a life will pass

[Hort]

And what is wrong? Ours, too, T-72 and T-90 modernize and deliver to the troops, although there is Armata

[Nycomed]

You remember? And how old were you then?

[novel66]

in 2014???? 48 as follows from the nickname, it is still in memory

[Zeev Zeev]

What are tank wedges? Which Bertha? The twentieth century ended long ago.

[vadson]

but in the Donbass they don’t know, everyone is fighting in the old fashioned way

[Zeev Zeev]

Even in the Donbass they didn’t fight like that during the period of active battles.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Even in the Donbass they didn’t fight like that during the period of active battles.

Tady, why are these 200 tanks of which 100 modernized? Bundeswehr detachments? Enough for the day of war.

[Igorpl]

Full day is not enough. Even if you consider only what is nearby.

[knn54]

Success, victory is not ensured by the caliber of the gun or by the thickness of the tank armor in conjunction with the protection. We need a CLEAR system of coordination of interactions between motorized riflemen, tanks, artillery and aviation, the initiative of the commanders, the resilience of the fighters. Well, effective provision. There must be "order in the tank forces"

[novel66]

and in aviation, order is not needed

[Amurets]

Quote: Hunter 2

And let Big Bert be rebuilt ...

And where there is "Big Bertha" with its caliber 420mm. If the Germans deployed a 807mm Dora cannon near Sevastopol

and mortars "Karl" caliber 600mm
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ad62528fd96b135b7cf6cbe/molot-germanii-orudie-dora-5af2ee26f031739aeef3b5e6
https://topwar.ru/19033-poslednie-v-svoem-klasse-samohodnye-mortiry-karl.html

[novel66]

Chinese caliber 420 mm satellites wanted to shoot

[Aviator_]

"Dora" was outright junk, shot from Bakhchisarai and only once got into an ammunition depot. "Karl" really helped the Germans a lot - he destroyed the 30th battery of Alexander and destroyed a lot of things in our Sevastopol defense.

[d ^ Amir]

You are sorry a little about that !!!! 7,6 million euros per piece of Leopard !!!! who shouted that Armata is expensive ????? 7,6 !!!! a piece!!!!

[Crimea26]

And so the Germans urgently built a number of automobile plants of well-known brands with all the technology at a potential enemy? Will undermine from the inside!)))))

[Zeev Zeev]

Partial localization screwdriver plants.

[MMX]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Partial localization screwdriver plants.

Full production, up to engines.

[abyssal]

Quote: MMX

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Partial localization screwdriver plants.

Full production, up to engines.

And what engines are assembled in Russia? Do not send to Google.

[polar fox]

Quote: Crimea26

And so the Germans urgently built a number of automobile plants of well-known brands with all the technology at a potential enemy?

what is there for technology? special screwdrivers? look less kissel tv.

[Catfish]

Yes, our country has always been, since the time of Ivan the Terrible, if not earlier, an adversary for them, and by no means probable. Why be surprised.

[VIT101]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

after 2014, your country again became a likely adversary

Are you afraid that we will recapture East Germany and revive the GDR? By the way, no one held a referendum on the entry of the GDR into the FRG and did not ask the people for their wishes. So there are legal grounds. So, a fake alien!

[Voyager]

Our country was a likely adversary until 2014, moreover, it is mutual and the fault lies entirely with Western countries. Russia has repeatedly proposed a constructive conversation based on mutual respect, but in return receives only provocations, NATO advancement and color revolutions in neighboring countries.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Russia did not capture Crimea, Crimea itself decided to be part of Russia according to the results of the referendum.

Exactly the same referendum as Ukraine itself was held in 1991.

Do not recognize the referendum in Crimea, well, be consistent and do not recognize the referendum on the separation of Ukraine from Russia.

Do not twist the Crimea - part of Russia, has been and will be forever!

[Lbt21]

Everything mixed up in your head and horses and people ....))) do not tell me on the basis of the legislation of which country In Crimea there was a referendum and how much this legislation was followed! And what kind of referendum was this about the separation of Ukraine from Russia? In 1991?)))

[Tersky]

Quote: Lbt21

There was a referendum in the Crimea and how much this legislation was followed!

Based on the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, in particular, in accordance with paragraph 7 of the first part of Article 18 (participation in matters relating to Crimea) and paragraph 3 of the second part of Article 26 (decision on holding a republican (local) referendum).

Quote: Lbt21

And what kind of referendum was this on the separation of Ukraine from Russia in the year 1991?

First, Ukraine declared independence. And only a few months later, Ukraine held a referendum on independence. But not about the exit.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

In Crimea, after 2014 your country again became a likely adversary

Crimea was a response to the next step of Western policy aimed at weakening Russia.

[SOF]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Your country has again become a likely adversary

... what kind of nonsense? ....
.... why don't you stop lying and tell the truth that: "Your country was appointed probable adversary ".... and appointed by one person, someone all ... including the most gifted of your lands ...

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

For you, our (my) country is always an enemy. Ever since the days of the knight-dogs. And what is surprising is that Russia never started a war with you first. These are the aggressors. By the way, and you won't tell me where, for whose money and for what purpose and in what camps they trained "onizhedey" ... Pharisaism, by the way, is punishable by God. He is far away - we will have to again ... (Probably)

[mavrus]

You will have a good laugh ... That is, before the Crimean events, Russia was not considered an enemy, and NATO tribals, Poles were accepted to fight North Korea ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Moreover, Crimea, that after 2014 your country again became a likely adversary, for confrontation which does not need light armored vehicles for antiterrorist operations, but tanks. Be proud.

Did you want Crimea to join NATO? And did NATO and the United States completely control the western regions of Russia? Now there are no fools, the same as "Misha Labeled", who was hung noodles or spaghetti on his ears, as you like.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Be proud.

Believe it or not, we are proud. But what does Crimea have to do with it? The Crimeans sat down, consulted (held a referendum) how to be and what to do, and decided - and let's ask to go to Russia, Ukraine itself yells - "suitcase, station, Russia", we will satisfy her wishes. All the "fault" (and this is the fault?) Of Russia is that it ACCEPTED Crimea in its composition, ie SATISFIED the request of the Crimeans in view of the danger for Crimea to remain part of Ukraine. And so that the Crimeans were not prevented from consulting and making a decision, Russia took appropriate measures. And that's it! But all of you, who bear the same surname De Bill, do not manage to understand this. Well, what can you do? Probably God's providence here.

[Stas 2rep]

And Transnistria held such a referendum much earlier, the result was "0". Yes, and with Donbass somehow it does not turn out nicely. Probably the wrong Russians live there.

[lukewarm]

Thank. We are proud. Let's get there))). But our country has never ceased to be a likely adversary. She was a defeated adversary. But no more equal than our politicians would like then. So you are right - everything has returned to normal. And there - life will show.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Your country has again become a likely adversary. Be proud.

We will be. Unlike various "citizens of the world", we have a country, it is OUR country, and not a "jump airfield" on the way to the lost paradise, yeah.
So, as John Vasilievich used to say: sharpen the count, the boyars - I can see you through and through.

[Alexey Sommer]

Incidentally, the modernization of almost 8 million euros per pc.
This is good for us. They won’t do much.
Let them go broke.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Let them go broke.

yes that's something since the age of 45, everyone will not go bankrupt .... they have industry in order and finances are stable .... that's just transgender people in power)))

[Alexey Sommer]

Do you think this is connected?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Do you think this is connected?

what exactly?

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Tiksi-3

industry in order and finances are stable .... that's just transgender people in power)))

It!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Do you think this is connected?

Quote: Alexey Sommer

It!

that this power is successful in terms of the economy?

[Alexey Sommer]

No!
Transgender people in power and a sustainable economy?
You wrote it. I want to clarify.
I draw such a conclusion from your comment.

they and industry in order and finances are stable .... that's just transgender people in power)))

[Tiksi-3]

you didn’t understand from the word at all! ... they are doing well, except for many homo sapiens in power, that's what I wrote

[Voyager]

Homosapiens means intelligent man ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Voyager

Homosapiens means intelligent man.

read above, I can’t write obscenities here

[Amurets]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Incidentally, the modernization of almost 8 million euros per pc.
This is good for us. They won’t do much.
Let them go broke.

So in Germany, the Ministers of Defense are women, the former gynecologist, the current political scientist. And this is very far from the tanks, but it is close to the money.

[Bykov.]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And here they attributed Crimea ...
What nafig events?
Our Crimea and where does the Bundeswehr with its plans for modernization?

At the same time somehow justify the cut budget. Everything is like people have.

[Thrall]

I’m leaving the house this morning. And on the street the first snow fell and the car iced up. What ... think the hell? Then I remembered about the events in the Crimea - everything immediately fell into place

[Cut Samshitov]

Somehow, after the Crimean events, the Wehrmacht was already reformed. Bundeswehr next in line?

[Civil]

The Germans also entered the Arms Race. I wonder whose budget will take ours or NATO.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Civil

I wonder whose budget will take ours or NATO

Russia is not going to measure budgets. The principle of "necessary sufficiency", which was voiced by the Supreme about ten years ago, has not been canceled.

[svp67]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And here they attributed Crimea ...
What nafig events?
Our Crimea and where does the Bundeswehr with its plans for modernization?

As an JUSTIFICATION. It is necessary to somehow explain why so much money is allocated. Do you want this excuse to sound like: "We are tired of riding old tanks, we want modernized ones"?

[venik]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And here they attributed Crimea ... What the hell are the events?

=========
WHAT is the difference in FIG? There would be a REASON! If there were no Crimea, there would be Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Serbia ..... And you never know? The MAIN THING is to "squeeze" competitors (first of all - Russia!).
Well, REASON ..... REASON - so here you are!
There would be no Crimea ..... Well, would find anything else!
Here after all the main thing - PLUG competitors! The rest is "little things"! In the fight for world leadership - ALL means are good! So what if Russia doesn't claim "world domination"? The main thing is to PRESS your competitors! Really - NOBODY noticed that this process began AFTER the Russian Federation began to defend its national interests?
Why am I surprised?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nPuBaTuP

And here they attributed Crimea ...
What nafig events?
Our Crimea and where does the Bundeswehr with its plans for modernization?

Despite the fact that until 2014 the Bundeswehr was quietly dying.
No, from the outside, everything looked just great - the conditions of service improved, tolerance increased and all that - but as an armed forces, the Bundeswehr was rapidly degrading. For in order to increase the costs of social and cultural services, and even with a constant reduction in the defense budget, it was necessary to get this money out of other items of the military budget. And the Bundeswehr began to literally cut it alive, sacrificing operational and strategic considerations to finance. For example, the number of MBTs was reduced to 225 Leopards, along the way having sold all the mobilization stocks of equipment. The second line of attack of accountants was the maintenance of the combat capability of equipment. As of 2015 (when the Bundeswehr had just begun to exit the crisis):

... the Luftwaffe is in the most deplorable state. So, 40% of the 114 Eurofighter fighters available are under repair and cannot be used. Of the remaining 68 aircraft, only 38 are fully operational (55%, or only 30% of the total fleet). In the case of military transport aircraft C-160 Transall, out of 37 available units, only 21 can take off, while the total number of aircraft of this type in the Air Force nominally reaches 50 aircraft. Of the 93 Tornado aircraft “on the lists,” 66 can actually be used, of which 29 are combat ready (44%, or also about 30% of the total fleet).
For the aviation of the ground forces and the navy of Germany, the situation does not look so depressing, with the exception of helicopters. So, of the 40 “listed” NH90 helicopters, only five can immediately fly into the air, that is, 22%. The situation with Tiger combat helicopters is not better, out of 43 machines on the lists and 23 in real availability, only seven are in flight condition. Of the 41 Sea King helicopters of naval aviation, only five flew this year.
The total number of Leopard 2 tanks in the Bundeswehr reaches 244 units, of which 170 are in parts and 126 are fully operational, that is, a decent level of 74% has been reached.

© bmpd. Report of the Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, General Volker Vicker.

And then Crimean events broke out. They were literally a salvation for the general of the Bundeswehr, who immediately began to cry at all angles about what brought this planet pancreas to the planet what the Bundeswehr brought to Frau the gynecologist (see the above quotes from the report). A moth-bogged Russian bogeyman was immediately pulled out, with whom they began to knock money out of the Bundestag. However, the Frau gynecologist, as a true politician, quickly changed her shoes - and led the movement to restore the power of the Bundeswehr that she had recently killed.

In short, Crimean events turned out to be excellent excuse (not a reason, namely a pretext) for the military of almost all NATO countries to declare the need to increase defense spending and the turn of society towards the armed forces defending advanced democracies from the Russian threat.

[Nycomed]

It remains only to find the "guilty" in all this ...

[andrewkor]

I apologize for getting in, I'm not talking about Crimea.
They caught my eye - 7AV is the first tank of the German Empire in the PMV.Vot, which means honoring traditions!

[Pavel57]

The A7V (also the Sturmpanzerwagen A7V, literally translated from it. The A7V assault armored vehicle) is a German heavy tank from World War I.

[rotmistr60]

"Because of events in the Crimea" ... "the German military department was forced to return to the previous concept and develop it with the help of modernization of tanks."

That, they were in no way afraid of the possibility of the GSVG-2 (Group of Soviet Forces in Germany) appearing, especially since Merkel and the German media directly run into a conflict with Russia. But seriously, the real German military understood what the Bundeswehr had reached (to the pen) and that there was no reason to expect help from the United States in the event of a real conflict. The salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.

[kolkulon]

High power engine. He has 1500 hp stock. I wonder how much now?

[mark1]

Maybe, after all, modernization after the events in Syria?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it's simple, the midwife or having a difficult birth or my brother’s brother got sick, he asks for soup, it’s quite something both

[Alexey RA]

Quote: mark1

Maybe, after all, modernization after the events in Syria?

No, for the modernization of "Leo" the whole movement began before Syria. The contract for the first batch of 2A7V was issued in May 2017.

... in May 2017, the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW, as the main contractor) and the Rheinmetall group received a contract worth € 760 million for modernization for the German army in the new Leopard 2A7V modification of the first 104 tanks of the Leopard 2 family, with the start of deliveries modernized Leopard 2A7V tanks to the German Bundeswehr in 2020 and ending in 2023.

And Crimea ... Crimea just became an excellent excuse to inflate the "Russian threat" and, under this sauce, start increasing the military budget and increasing the combat readiness of the Bundeswehr.

[Retvizan 8]

And we have citizens who are surely starting to howl at such news: why do they invest millions in order to modernize old things, it would be better if they spent money on old people ...
Something like that.

[Tzar]

Do not forget about the second category of whineers - "And we have one old thing! The Indians have more T-90s than we have! Where are the armata, why so few? We need 100500!"

[Retvizan 8]

Interestingly, some spiteful critic for all the comments went to the article and instructed the minuses, now he ran in his wake and all of whom he could get out.

[Horst78]

In total, the German treasury modernization of more than a hundred tanks will cost approximately 760 million euros.

No need to upgrade 7,6 euro lemon for

weapon control system and the ability to fire DM11 guided munitions from Rheinmetall

. Maybe it’s easier for Koreans to take new ones?

[Alexey RA]

There were a lot of plans originally planned - after all, 2A7V they wanted to do mainly from 2A4:

Upgrading to the Leopard 2A7V variant was subject to 68 Leopard 2A4 vehicles, 16 Leopard 2A6 vehicles and 20 Leopard 2A7 tanks. However, only the last 20 tanks of the Leopard 2A7 are now part of the Bundeswehr. According to previously published information, 68 Leopard 2A4 vehicles were purchased for modernization from the presence of the Swedish army, and 16 Leopard 2A6 tanks were similarly acquired from the presence of the Dutch army. This will make it possible to implement the plan for strengthening the Bundeswehr by 2016 announced by the Minister of Defense of Germany, Ursula von der Layen, announced in April 2020, according to which the number of tanks of the German army should be increased from 225 to 320 units.

According to the initial design, Leopard 2A7V tanks were supposed to be equipped with a new upgraded 120 mm L55A1 high-capacity smoothbore gun, however, according to known data, in fact, only tanks converted from Leopard 55A1 modification vehicles (having old L2 guns) will receive L4A44 guns, and tanks upgraded from the Leopard 2A6 / A7 modifications will retain their L55 guns.

Improvements to the Leopard 2A7V should also include the installation of a climate control system, a 17-kilowatt auxiliary Steyr M12 diesel generator set, the Thales SOTAS intercom system, the IFIS combat information control system, advanced commander and gunner sights using Airbus ATTICA thermal imagers; Saab Barracuda multispectral masking system; enhanced mine protection, MKM programming system (Munitionskommunizierungsmodul) for firing high-explosive programmable shots DM11. For the rest (including armor protection), the tank must comply with the Leopard 2A7 level.

© bmpd

[Mavrikiy]

"Modernization after the events in Crimea": the Bundeswehr received the first modernized tank

In Crimea, they burned so many tanks, including Leopards, that they needed to be modernized. And 08.08.08 on the side, Yugoslavia, Gaddafi, Syria were not impressed, the Germans have steel eggs ? And the Americans flowed from Syria.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

And the Americans flowed from Syria.

In fact, this is a "cunning Trump move". They will not leave Syria anywhere.

[Nycomed]

"In Crimea, so many tanks were burned, including Leopards"
Oh! And detail?

[vanavatny]

and how will they respond to hypersound? maybe forced modernization of relations? and for the Bundeswehr, well, not that I’m glad, but it’s just some kind of shame: they don’t know how to fight with the weak, they can’t fight the strong, they don’t hold parades, why are you? crawling around the world for the Americans with the rest of the crowd, occasionally cheering on the inadmissibility of the “Minister of Defense” to their own assets, for the Sultan was offended by the fact that this mother muttered a half-platoon of German infantrymen, something else, like burning like candles of German tanks, the same Turkey bought ... and from the current beloved European wife of the United States, Poland, an uneven hour to rake ...

[Nycomed]

"and how will they respond to hypersound?"
And they will respond to hypersound with "hypersound", only Bangladesh does not have it now. Perhaps it will be tomorrow.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Rheinmetall DM11 guided ammunition shooting ....... chuckled, the author of the article clearly confuses between programmable and controlled, this device is not controlled but programmable, controlled by Invar, it’s interesting how the Star of David’s tank UR Lhat passed tests ???? the price is too tough for a midwife

[Horon]

And what, in the Crimea were tank battles? Did I miss something?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Horon

And what, in the Crimea were tank battles? Did I miss something?

there were many, though in 41-45gg ....

[Horon]

About those, I remember, but if because of them, then somehow too late! They would now study the experience of Syria and Yemen, and not the experience of the 2nd World War. There, after all, almost partisans burn tanks. The clashes of the serious, well-armed armies, with the use of tanks, it seems like there were no recent years, especially in the Crimea.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Horon

The clashes of the serious, well-armed armies, with the use of tanks, it seems like there were no recent years, especially in the Crimea.

so it’s all the journalists turned upside down, dragged the Crimea ...

[Aviator_]

The battles were from the fall of 1941 to the spring of 1944, then everything. And you already wrote about 1945.

[svp67]

Quote: Horon

And what, in the Crimea were tank battles? Did I miss something?

What other. At the time of the transfer and dispatch of tanks to Ukraine, there were such "battles and battles" with that "scrap metal", and with each tank. They stood for so many years without moving ...
Something like this ... it's not some nerves that aren’t enough, and then a choking exhaust
In general: "The war in the Crimea, everything is in smoke and NOTHING is visible ..."

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Moreover, Crimea, that after 2014 your country again became a likely adversary, for confrontation which does not need light armored vehicles for antiterrorist operations, but tanks. Be proud.

For us, Germany has always been a likely adversary. And, especially when it finally fell under the overseas, allowing the storage of nuclear weapons. When the Bundeswehr began training in a nuclear bombardment that they did not have. Therefore, we always had good knockers against these naive peace-loving and not suffering revenge burghers. Just in case. And let them not connect modernization with Crimea there. Be proud, tactical nuclear-charged Iskanders are ready for use. The Caliber, starting from the Urals, doesn’t care whether this beast is modernized or not.

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

In Crimea, not a single shot was fired from a tank, and the tanks themselves were not used. On the basis of what intelligence the Bundes were based on, the Germans decided that their tanks did not meet modern requirements and they needed to be modernized. I would like to remind our German partners that in 1941-1945 their "armored cats" were unable to fulfill their dream of world domination for the Germans. Our tanks drove the Winners across Berlin, not the German ones across Moscow. Maybe the Germans decided that the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those who defeated European fascism have forgotten how to burn the "German miracle of technology"? No, Hansa and Adalf's Herrs have not forgotten and have not forgotten how to do it. It's in our "blood", in our genes !!! So think about what to say, otherwise the Victory flag will fly over the Reichstag again.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal

Based on what Bundes of intelligence the Germans decided that their tanks do not meet modern requirements and they need to be modernized.

It's not about combat experience and not about intelligence, but about money under "protection from the Russian threat." "Crimea" for NATO warriors is a money-picking stick for the military budget.

[Vladimir_2U]

For 42 years the Germans did not have "cats", at least among the tanks.

[faterdom]

That's right, it is necessary to transfer modernized "Leopards" to country "U" free of charge. Because of the "events in the Crimea."
There, the guys will find someone to secretly sell, and they will at least become a bit richer. Spiritually richer.

[Atlant-1164]

in principle, the position of the Bundeswehr is clear. what if tomorrow it will rain in Crimea, and in the Bundeswehr "leopards" are not equipped with rubber galoshes.
- here the Turks sent their "leopards" to Syria without .. "MOSCOW Grid ANTI-CAT 1325X490". So what?? they were all knocked out there.)

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

What are tank wedges? Which Bertha? The twentieth century ended long ago.

That's it. The time has come for tactical (for Europe) nuclear weapons. We will beat hard and finally.

[Andrey83]

What kind of modernization is this? 7.5 ml Euro per tank! A new tank is not easier to do?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What is his defense ?! Why do Germans ignore DZ and KAZ?

[Swed]

However, "because of events in the Crimea," as German military experts write, "the German military department was forced to return to the previous concept and develop it with the help of modernizing tanks."
And why not because of the events in Yugoslavia?

[Aviator_]

So in Yugoslavia they won.

[Zoomlion]

You naive) this is another "good" reason to cut the dough. It's simple. And mythical military threats, the tenth thing)

[Moskovit]

The cost of T-90 is about 5 million dollars. It turns out the modernization of the Leopards is more expensive than the new Russian modern tank.

[NF68]

Quote: Moskovit

The cost of T-90 is about 5 million dollars. It turns out the modernization of the Leopards is more expensive than the new Russian modern tank.

760 million euros for the 328 upgraded A7V. This is about 2,32 million per tank.

[Moskovit]

The article writes about 104 pcs. So according to arithmetic 7.3 million. In principle, this is not surprising. Since the Leopard is the most expensive tank in the world, somewhere under 20 million.

[NF68]

Quote: Moskovit

The article writes about 104 pcs. So according to arithmetic 7.3 million. In principle, this is not surprising. Since the Leopard is the most expensive tank in the world, somewhere under 20 million.

You can write a lot of things. But it would not hurt to understand what exactly was written. 104 tank is the first batch of upgraded tanks. Modernization will be carried out from 2019 to 2023 years.

Mit den zusätzlichen Kampfpanzern des Typs Leopard 2 A7V soll die durch die Ministerin festgelegte Stückzahl von 328 Fahrzeugen erreicht werden. Damit folgt das BAAINBw der Trendwende Material hin zur aufgabenorientierten Ausstattung. Die 32 zusätzlichen Leopard 2 A4-Fahrgestelle werden zunächst eingelagert, um künftig als Basis für weitere Fahrzeuge der Leopard 2 Familie, wie etwa den neuen Brückenlegeenzer,

Die ersten Fahrzeuge sollen im Jahr 2019, die letzten in 2023 ausgeliefert werden. Die Übergabe an das Deutsche Heer erfolgt nach Auslieferung und nach Abschluss der notwendigen Überprüfungen durch das BAAINBw. Das Auftrags volume beläuft sich auf etwa 760 Millionen Euro. Für die Erstellung des Vertragswerks wurde erneut das neue Vertragsmanagementhandbuch des BAAINBw angewandt.

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[Moskovit]

On the one hand, you are right, on the other hand it is written very vaguely - approximately 760 million. Moreover, the specific amount for one tank is not written.

[NF68]

Quote: Moskovit

On the one hand, you are right, on the other hand it is written very vaguely - approximately 760 million. Moreover, the specific amount for one tank is not written.

The cost of upgrading to the A7V option for the previously released versions will not be the same for all upgraded tanks, as the A6, A6M and A7 will upgrade and the amount of improvements for these options will vary .. In addition, the next batch of A7V in 104 units will be stored 32 tank chassis of the A4 variant was taken and finalized. Here, as it were, it was not necessary to make new towers at all, or again you have to bring the towers of the A4 variant to A7V, and this is a much larger amount of improvements than for the A6, A6M and A7 variants.

[Zaurbek]

This is after the Crimea in World War II?

[Sergey Medvedev]

And what does the Crimea have to do with it? Recently, Leopards (Turkish) burned only in Syria.

[Pavel57]

“After this - it means for this reason” (lat. Post hoc ergo propter hoc) - a logical ploy in which a causal relationship is identified with a chronological, temporal one: “If event X occurred after event Y, then event Y is the cause of the event X. "

[Kibl]

I’m not catching up with what’s going on in people's heads !? Well, where does the modernization of tanks and Crimea!

[Ros 56]

I don’t understand, did the Germans gather in Crimea again? How to link these two concepts - German tanks and Crimea? I remember that in the forties, last century they had already been there, how it ended, everyone knows. So, what is next?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ros 56

I don’t understand, did the Germans gather in Crimea again? How to link these two concepts - German tanks and Crimea?

It is very simple: if there were no Crimea, the Bundeswehr would not have money for modernization. This is the only connection.

[Ros 56]

And what, Crimea was not there before?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ros 56

And what, Crimea was not there before?

Crimea used to be whose need.
In order to knock money out of the Bundestag, a "Russian threat" was needed. From the 08.08.08 war, it was not possible to launch a wide campaign "Russians are coming". But from the reunification of Crimea - yes.

[Ros 56]

It is not for nothing that Dr. Sosnowski left for Germany; psychiatrists are also required there.

[Evil 55]

104 vehicles, only three battalions ... crunched the Fritzes and, you see, they were terrified, not even knowing the peculiarities of the Crimea relief .. For modernization for it should include wings, wheeled landing gear and a ton of diapers "just in case"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Angry 55

104 cars, just three battalions .. crushed the Fritz

Until recently, their entire tank fleet was 225 Leo-2. Now it is being increased up to 320 tanks.

[lukewarm]

Programmable ammunition - modern. "Cool". In the programs I saw. I don’t know what it gives in a real battle, its effectiveness (preferably in comparison with the price). And what are we doing on this topic?

[Ax Matt]

No, well, do not dismiss workers at the enterprises !? Let them do it: dig a hole, dig a hole, dig a hole, put it to sleep ... Whatever the child was amusing, if only the budget was ...

[Ros 56]

Will budget revenues be dug out of the pit? And who will bury them there?

[NF68]

In total, the German treasury modernization of more than a hundred tanks will cost approximately 760 million euros.

I heard a ring, but I don’t know where he is? Not more than a hundred tanks, but a very specific figure in 328 units.

[DeathFromBelow]

It is interesting, but what exactly did the Germans see in Crimea that the idea of ​​modernizing tanks seemed to them necessary?

[Vladimir_2U]

By the way about the "Leopards", from the 1st to 4th modifications they had box towers a la "Tiger" and the tank was considered the best in the west (in total) and was certainly too tough for a 125 mm tank gun ( according to Western experts), but suddenly on 2a5 we see a SHARP thickening of the frontal armor of the tower and a change in its shape from a straight vertical to a wedge-shaped one (and this, among other things, the formation of the so-called zaman, which showed itself sharply negatively on the Panthers).
I have not come across an explanation anywhere, but in my opinion it is simple: the Westerners got the arsenals of the GDR and after experimental shooting from 125 mm T-72 cannons by not the latest shells, it became clear that the armor of the Leopard-2 was thin. I draw your attention to the fact that the shells were for export, i.e. worse than standing and being adopted by the SA.

[mvmptzna]

However, "because of events in the Crimea," as German military experts write, "the German military department was forced to return to the previous concept and develop it with the help of modernizing tanks."

- In fact, it is. Strength is equal to counteraction; Newton's law.