Russian marines are being reformed into expeditionary forces of Russia

The Ministry of Defense is changing the training program for marine officers, introducing five-year training for them. The "extra" year was needed for a more in-depth study of a foreign language and other subjects. This is reported "News" with reference to the military department.

The Ministry of Defense has adjusted the training program for officers of the Marine Corps with a simultaneous extension of the training period to five years. These changes are associated with the reform of the Marine Corps, according to which the "black berets" become the expeditionary forces of Russia, capable of performing tasks anywhere in the world. Accordingly, an in-depth study of foreign languages ​​and some other specific subjects necessary for actions outside the territory of Russia is introduced into the curriculum.

A new concept for the use of the Marine Corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy will deliver them. At the same time, the tasks assigned are not limited to the conduct of hostilities, now the “black berets” will be assigned peacekeeping missions, the evacuation of Russian citizens from dangerous regions, actions in the interests of their country in local conflicts far beyond its borders, etc.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the Marine Corps officer will not only have to be able to competently conduct military operations, but also have the skills of a diplomat and speak foreign languages ​​to pursue Russia's policy in that part of the world where he will be sent to solve problems.

Earlier it was reported that since this year all naval warships in each campaign are accompanied by fighters of the marine corps, the composition and size of each group depends on the type of ship. The Black Berets will on an ongoing basis fulfill the tasks of protecting ships from terrorists and saboteurs, and will carry out the tasks of inspection groups. If necessary, marine corps fighters will be involved in guarding ships in foreign ports.

Recall that officers for the formations and units of the Marine Corps are trained only in two educational institutions - in the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School (RVVDKU) and the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School (DalVOKU).

Comments

[pros000007]

better give them modern weapons
otherwise they still have weapons from Soviet times

[Lexus]

We were already killed with all these "change of signs". I will not be surprised if more funds are "used" for this business than for rearmament.

[Bogatyrev]

If this implies a new order of application and service, then this is no longer just a change of sign.

[Salty]

Quote: lexus

Have already been pulled up with all these "changes of signs"

If you read at least a couple of lines after the headline, you would not have such a thought.

The Department of Defense is changing the training program for Marine Corps officers, introducing five years of training for them. "Extra" year was needed for a more in-depth study of a foreign language and other subjects

Where is the "sign change" here?

[Evil echo]

and lechus tries to "spoil" any event

[Leopold]

The Russian Admiralty sent an Expedition - discovered Antarctica. Maybe they will find Atlantis?

[lukewarm]

Quote: SaltY

Where is the "sign change" here?

It seems like this

These changes are associated with the reform of the Marine Corps, according to which the "black berets" become expeditionary forces of Russia, capable of performing missions anywhere in the world.

It is she who is.

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: unwillingly

"black berets" are becoming Russian expeditionary forces capable of performing missions anywhere in the world.

Tasks anywhere in the world ?? !! Why not galaxies at once? Apparently they don't need modern weapons, communications and intelligence equipment for such events? I am generally silent about a fleet appropriate for such tasks. (profi00007) asked about it, and not the chatter of the MO. Remind me under what circumstances did Russian servicemen die in Syria? Wherever the Marines have not been thrown for the last 30 years, in fact, the most difficult tasks fell on their shoulders and they showed themselves from the best side. The losses are high. But losses should not be without conclusions and actions that increase efficiency and survival. It seems that in Russia so many people who call themselves "patriots adhering to the line of power" have gone through the army, or are simply proud and admired by the armed forces of Russia, but something is not very visible pressure on the Defense Ministry, the military-industrial complex, the government, so that finally "something" is not done , not only was said, but specifically, at least something of the statements and single copies from exhibitions and parades appeared in the army. God forbid some kind of conflict like Chechnya is another and again 25. Of course, a lot of things have been done in general .., but for me this is not worth those poured sums, it should be much more and better.

[lukewarm]

If you carefully read my comment - so I about the same. You quoted my quote, and I quoted it from the author. And he generally answered the post about changing the sign. I am writing just for clarification, as I agree with all of you.

[Marconi41]

Quote: lexus

Have already been pulled up with all these "changes of signs"

Yes, the sign does not change. The MP will remain the Marine Corps, but the excess will be hung on them.

[venik]

Quote: Marconi41

Yes, the sign does not change. The MP will remain the Marine Corps, but the excess will be hung on them.

========
Yes, this is, as it were, not quite "extra" ...
".....aboutnor should they be prepared to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy takes them. At the same time, the assigned tasks are not limited to the conduct of hostilities, now peacekeeping missions, the evacuation of Russian citizens from dangerous regions, actions in the interests of their country in local conflicts far beyond its borders will be entrusted to the "black berets", etc...... ".
Interesting, and WHEN they (Marines) by that DO NOT DO ???
Strengthen the training of officers .... So what is bad in this?
Morpechi - it was always SERIOUS! They will cook better - well, it means even BETTER !!!

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: lexus

We were already killed with all these "change of signs".

Quote: SaltY

Where is the "sign change" here?

"signboard" okay, now Europe will come out of liquid droppings from this appointment of our "black berets"

[RUSS]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

signboard "okay, now Europe will come out of liquid droppings from this appointment of our" black berets "

They will not find out about this, because they are not interested in this one. Even Khokhlov anyway

[Cut Samshitov]

But what is Soviet bad about? in the USA still fly at 52. Year of release is not an indicator of quality.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

-In fact: Marines will be trained for a year more. Everything else is from the same newspaper about which “There is no Truth in Izvestia ...”.
—- Here the other day there is the same: .. ”I want to draw your attention to the fact that this is a stereotype that something is falling. We have been standing and not falling for a long time, ”Rogozin quotes.
Pearl!!!

[Observer2014]

pros000007 (pro 00007)

better give them modern weapons

To call these troops expeditionary. They need vehicles. In the form of the unreceived "Mistral" at least. And the American large landing ships of the "America" ​​type at most. Although, of course, you can go on a military expedition on anything. From a balloon and a bicycle to a spaceship So the name fits in principle. Especially about the "Mistral" and "America" ​​I mentioned, we will be frank for a long time not to see.

[Lexus]

To call these troops expeditionary. They need vehicles.

If nothing changes in shipbuilding, it will be fit to send them on charter flights to perform a combat mission.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Observer2014

To call these troops expeditionary, they need vehicles

You put the cart in front of the horse. First, it is necessary to formulate a concept of whether Russia has a need for expeditionary forces, what goals they will fulfill, most likely there is a need for such units. And after that form those base. Only this is not a quick process

[Salty]

Quote: Siberia 75

Most likely there is a need for such units

Probably yes.

Quote: Siberia 75

And after that form those base. Only this is not a quick process

Well, at least that year that was added to the training program, there is definitely something to it.

[Vladimir16]

The first expedition must be sent to Ukraine. To clear the Russian land of Nazi evil.
To do this, you do not need to learn a language and Mistrals are not needed.

Do we have diplomats transferred? Nah.rena military diplomats are going to do?
You ate up on the top of shit?
The military and diplomats speak different languages.
The military has power. For this, the army is needed.

Apparently, the author of this idea is a liberal victim of the exam.

[Salty]

Quote: Vladimir16

The first expedition must be sent to Ukraine

Probably, the Moscow Region does not think so. Incidentally, I agree with the MO here.

And anyway - what about the Marine Corps for the liberation of Ukraine? There everyone will find work, if that.

Quote: Vladimir16

The military has a language of strength

Not only, as it turns out. With such changed tasks - far from only the "language of power":

The new concept of using the marines boils down to the fact that they must be ready to operate independently anywhere in the world where the navy delivers them. At the same time, the assigned tasks are not limited to the conduct of hostilities, now the "black berets" will be assigned peacekeeping missions, the evacuation of Russian citizens from dangerous regions, actions in the interests of their country in local conflicts far beyond its borders, etc.

I especially like that "etc." here.

Quote: Vladimir16

You ate up on the top of shit?

Are you talking to me? Then to the wrong address, not "above" me.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Vladimir16

The military and diplomats speak different languages.
The military has power. For this, the army is needed.

Where diplomats cannot agree, the military continues to talk.
So diplomats need to be taught more thoroughly!

[Simargl]

Quote: Vladimir16

Nah.rena military diplomats are going to do?

Why do you dislike simplified military diplomacy, such as: "- Opponent! Surrender, or I can handle it myself!"

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Vladimir16

the author of this idea is a liberal victim of the exam

Is this to enhance the effect? Plus sign to get? So this is no longer fashionable, now a different trend.

[Leopold]

Military attachés are inextricably linked with diplomacy. The military becomes diplomats (for a while) when they offer the enemy surrender instead of destruction. And this mission is far from always safe. Why is such a negative then?

[Observer2014]

Siberia 75 (Alexey) S

Most likely there is a need for such units. And after that form those base. Only this is not a quick process

Bravo! You just described everything with one sentence. And the problems with the lack of ships to development prospects. Well, it is clear that the marines as such in the current state of affairs in essence have only one name. And that's all. And they bring this infantry to the place of battles and conflicts. not on traditional means for the Marine Corps. Although the Marines are trained in everything. But the fact is the fact. When did our marines engage in real combat not in exercises, landing by sea? Special operations by small forces do not count.

[Deck]

.When did our marines engage in real combat not in exercises, landing in a sea way?

Then, when the Airborne Forces parachuted. Probably during the war with Japan

[New Year day]

Quote: Siberia 75

Does Russia have a need for expeditionary forces, what goals will they fulfill

there is a need? How did this need differ from that of the USSR?

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Silvestr

there is a need? How did this need differ from that of the USSR?

Is it possible for you, a stupid person, as it seems to me, to tell the difference between the USSR and Russia

[New Year day]

Quote: Siberia 75

tell the difference between the USSR and Russia

I know the difference. I can’t understand the difference in tasks before the MP then and now. Under the Union, we saved all of Africa and Asia. Now the list is smaller, and the possibilities too. But, nevertheless, they are reforming. Reform for new tasks, usually. So I want to understand these tasks

[Marconi41]

Quote: Siberia 75

First we need to formulate a concept of whether Russia has a need for expeditionary forces, what goals they will fulfill

Everything is correct. So it happened, and not the last role here was played by Syria. It is obvious.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Marconi41

and not the last role here was played by Syria. It is obvious.

Yes you are right. I remember what at least surprise (I write tactfully) caused the beginning of the operation of the Russian Armed Forces in the SAR)))

[Leopold]

Alexey So the objectives of the operation were not disclosed at first. Secrecy. Therefore it was not clear. Now and then it is not completely clear to the townsfolk, although much has been clarified.

[Rabioso]

And what vodka has not yet done ... expeditionary marines will help to make ... reduce population. Patriotism is good. It’s only better to help demolish their people to live well and then the rest.

[Astronaut]

we will be honest for a long time not to see.

I am always amused by your allegations

[tatarin1972]

Indeed, the Russian Marine Corps needs delivery and landing vehicles. What kind of corps can be if we have forces and means of delivery in the North, Pacific, Baltic to the battalion, without reinforcements (on each), and two battalions in the Black Sea Fleet.

[lukewarm]

I agree that in order to be called that, one must have an appropriate fleet and weapons. So far, only on moral and strong-willed and training. In general, who thought, and why expeditionary troops? To catch up and overtake America again? Duck the wrong pocket ... There was the SSR, there was the navy. One of the strongest. And the infantry, without too much fanfare, "expedited" where necessary. And not only the infantry. Operation "Anadyr" is worth it! To do this, one must first of all have political will and sovereignty. And then the fleet. And so - one concussion and provocation. Now the "partners" are screaming about our aggression.

[Bratkov Oleg]

They have the best weapons in the world, and much more?

[Livonetc]

Hopefully the Marine Corps name is retained.
Marines it sounds.
And the forwarders?

[Lexus]

And the forwarders?

Almost like a "freight forwarder" ...

[VeteranVSSSR]

No, express delivery ,, Wet ankle boots / kirzachi '' ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Livonetc

And the forwarders?

Well, we didn’t have such troops, what is it that I tried to find on the web and everywhere everything is like this

troops intended for military operations (expeditions) of a relatively small size and mainly in a remote country. Often, colonial wars and interventions of capitalist states take the form of expeditions.

Based on this, this is not very suitable for Russia. Marines will leave, there will be forwarders, as a former Marine, I would not want to become a "forwarder." Although I was doing exactly what is written in all WIKIs, etc. Maybe the Marine Corps and its formations will remain, and the troops will be called "Expeditionary", it will be possible to include m other formations, temporarily or permanently, but the Marines are the main unit. Then there is no problem.

[Evil 55]

THERE ARE NO EXPERIENCES ..You EAT, or you never were ..

[Observer2014]

Livonetc (Gennady)

Hopefully the Marine Corps name is retained.
Marines it sounds.
And the forwarders?

Yes, most likely we are on the verge of "simplifying" the Airborne Forces. And motorized rifle units. In one universal name and tasks. Back in the late 80s, I read about it. The army is becoming universal. It's not for you to raise pigs in military units to feed your HF . And do not peel potatoes in outfits. And not a parade ground endlessly revenge. With a clipping of ordinary grass shears in front of the barracks. And a thumping officer in a locker with ensign. Do you recognize yourself? Find out.
The army should be able to fight. Always and everywhere. In any climatic conditions. There will be a reorganization of the army under modern realities. And its real economic opportunities.

[Livonetc]

Of course I will.
I served in the construction battalion.
And the pigsty was also a vegetable store.
In general, we were on full cost accounting.
They themselves earned everything.
We were deducted from our salaries for maintenance.
The Thousand stayed transferred to a personal account.
From the service he brought one and a half thousand rubles.
There were only two pigs.
Worked on a variety of civilian facilities.
Moreover, they were attached to the Ministry of Land Reclamation, although they did not often work at their facilities.

[Observer2014]

Livonetc (Gennady) I apologize to you. I didn’t want to. Get me right. This was not only in the construction battalion. It was everywhere and everywhere. It’s just read, they are sitting and sniffing in two holes. And the soldiers who worked on building shops as loaders worked in the still zero Internal Troops. Policemen ! And they scrambled around the district. Svyazisty I’m talking about my district. Now the Chichi officers are sitting, they have read and think that it’s not about them. Let them think. And you don’t need to tell tales here (This is not Genady for you). There will be a reorganization of the army / And whatever they call. And what they do not decide for them.

[Livonetc]

So what a grudge.
Another colorful touch.
One warrior from my company worked in a kindergarten.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Livonetc

And the forwarders?

yes, you are right, almost like exhumators.

[Leopold]

I do not agree. They bury the enemy, and not vice versa. The exhumators are dug up. Well, it’s better to talk with a handsome officer of the MP of the Russian Federation over a cup of coffee than to meet on the battlefield.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Leopold

I do not agree. They bury the enemy, and not vice versa.

Well, I'm actually talking about the consonance of the name, and not about the meaning. I've seen enough of the work of the exhumators in the Czech Republic, that's enough.

[Leopold]

I also had the concept of "supercargo" in my mind, but I was ashamed. Although there is something in common.

[Doliva63]

This is how we gradually turn into an imperialist power

[g1v2]

And thank God. At last.

[Freeman]

Quote: Doliva63

This is how we gradually turn into an imperialist power

And we are turning like Mongolia.
She at one time - "Jumped from feudalism to socialism, bypassing capitalism."
We, too, are jumping into imperialism, bypassing capitalism.
/ sarcasm /
Shl. Now everyone understands what the Mistrals were for?

[Bratkov Oleg]

Mistral, Mistral, drank everything, pissed everything ..
And then the "Calibers" suddenly flew not 300 km, but fifteen hundred kilometers away, and nevertheless the clever guys in the Pentagon immediately noticed that the Calibers did not reach the target on their last gasp ...

[faterdom]

Any itching to rename? Either the police to the police, then the BB to the National Guard (this is after Ukraine, then), now the marines are in executives ...
Does all this nonsense seem to me costly trolling?

[Cut Samshitov]

Whisker is elementary. The extra year of study is new posts, an increase in staff, colonel posts are becoming generals. As military schools were renamed the academy at the time, there was a chief major general, he became a lieutenant general.

[ushakorv]

So no one is going to rename. The concept of training is changing. Rethinking their actions and purpose.

[RUSS]

Quote: faterdom

Any itching to rename? Either the police to the police, then the BB to the National Guard (this is after Ukraine, then), now the marines are in executives ...
Does all this nonsense seem to me costly trolling?

Renaming will not be.
Only new tasks and goals

[knn54]

Serdyukov left, but "Serdyukovism" remained.

[KVU-NSVD]

Then the Airborne Forces officers need to be trained in the same way, because there are countries where the ship will not sail, and missions must be fulfilled and at the same time interact with the local ones .. In general, a good undertaking and the proposed additional knowledge for distant countries are important, but there is no need to rename the marines - tasks can be adjusted, and traditions should remain.

[Thunderbolt]

They will have a new item --- "Manners and customs of savages".

[Lexus]

Well, yes, in order to participate in the expeditions, you will have to become scientific associates ... receive academic degrees.

[Thunderbolt]

Eh ... let them get "advanced degrees" better on tatami and in shooting galleries. And in the case of diplomatic tricks, they will always be saved by natural Russian ingenuity and self-confidence! Well, this is the first impression, of course, from the news. And so, if you judge, then it is the right time to introduce such innovations. When the Red Army entered the territory of the newly liberated Europe, the political departments, to the best of their strength and talents, tried to bring to the attention of soldiers and officers the subtleties of behavior with foreign civilians. I don't know about Afghanistan, but they probably instructed too. And here the area of ​​special attention is called "The whole world." This means that a competent officer should know exchange rates in Arab countries, verbal etiquette when entering a village lost in the jungle and effective ways to hunt penguins. In a word, the Russian marine of the XXI century will know a lot.

[cat Rusich]

My opinion. In the army, there are military translators for foreign languages ​​(at least 2 foreign languages). At school, they study a foreign language ("inyaz" - English, German, French, Spanish) and what are the results? I'm talking about the fact that without practice, all "foreign languages" will FORGET after graduation. What "foreign languages" will the Marines study? - translators have 38 foreign languages. About cultural etiquette and diplomacy, there is no need to "open your mouth" to the "bread" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (you can introduce the faculty of military attaches - what are they doing today?). A Marine commander must be able to land at any latitude, in any weather, and hold a foothold ... for "the rest of the knowledge" professional professionals are needed. You can learn how to effectively hunt penguins, but you will definitely be "sent" to the Sahara ...

[Leopold]

Is it bad if an officer of the RF MP tells the leader of the pygmy tribe that it is easier to remove the Kus-Kus SVD than to take it off with a wind pipe and deliver it to the village in the Urals, and not on his shoulders. And what if it gets across without an accent?

[ROSS_51]

Quote: faterdom

Any itching to rename? Either the police to the police, then the BB to the National Guard (this is after Ukraine, then), now the marines are in executives ...
Does all this nonsense seem to me costly trolling?

VV to the National Guard? Marines in executors? And is all this trolling?
-What kind of porridge is in your head?

[tracer]

People don’t even understand your post. It seems that the senile dementia of some is intertwined with the general lack of mind in some young people. Weaving in ecstasy clapping on the keyboard of meaninglessness. Though get out of my way ...

[Vladimir61]

Does anyone touch the name? This is not about renaming parts of the MP, but about reforming! This is practically and legally justified. Professional training will improve, year + - this is strong, and legally, there will be no point in hiding the marines "under deck", as it happened in the Soviet Union.

[tracer]

The one who thinks naturally understands this. But comets merge into one, and on any news. "MONEY STEALED ALL PARALOVORY" and so on almost any news. You noticed ?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: tracer

You noticed ?

Yes, I noticed. Moreover, where you need to peep "everything is gone ...", there are a lot of one-time commentators, or those who are more than themselves, nowhere and nothing noted. A sort of systemic, always dissatisfied and sleeping until the right moment "swamp" biomass.

[Nikolaevich I]

Here's an example of the "rapprochement" of the Russian Navy and the USMC!

[tracer]

And I will tell you so, in terms of discipline it would be nice. There is nothing to write nonsense.

[rocket757]

Well, it wasn’t on you either! There will be squealing and homegrown squealing now, about aggressive politics and orientation ....
And did we need it?
Parroting with foreign "partners"? In the USSR, they did not stoop to this, they did it as it should, as it should, and did not soar for terms.

[Lexus]

In the USSR, they did not fall before that

There were enough real, visible, tangible reasons for pride in the country, so there was no need to invent "castles in the air." And there was no time to be engaged in a mouse fuss, and for imitation of violent activity it was possible to get "in the neck".

[rocket757]

"Effective managers" should indicate their importance / effectiveness, by any means!
The list of achievements behind them is somehow not particularly visible, so at least SO.

[Vadmir]

There will be squealing and homegrown squealing now, about aggressive politics and orientation ....
And did we need it?

Will screech anyway. But when there is something, it’s less offensive.

[rocket757]

It is truth too ....
In the history of the Russian Empire, something like that happened.

[Terenin]

Russian marines are being reformed into expeditionary forces of Russia

A. If you add, "in the spheres of influence of the United States" !?

[Salty]

Quote: Terenin

Russian marines are being reformed into expeditionary forces of Russia

A. If you add, "in the spheres of influence of the United States" !?

Don't, it's better that way. Without specification - "Rape. Up to cattle".

[Terenin]

Quote: SaltY

Without specification - "Rape. Up to cattle."

well, then without specifying part of the second article? "deadly"

[Salty]

Quote: Terenin

then without specifying part of the second article?

Naturally

[Lopatov]

Recall that officers for the formations and units of the Marine Corps are trained only in two educational institutions - in the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School (RVVDKU) and the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School (DalVOKU).

This is not entirely true.
For example, Here is the oath in the Mikhailovsky Artillery

[Okolotochny]

I agree. And air defense officers for the MP and Airborne are not trained in Ryazan and Blagoveshchensk, but in Pushkin.

[Laksamana besar]

Various specialties, at Mikhailovsky, engineers are preparing engineers for the use of artillery in the MP and the Airborne Forces, innovations are not for them, they have been studying there for five years, and here we are talking about command schools.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Laksamana Besar

and here we are talking about command schools.

Just the same Mikhailovskoe is precisely the command school. Technicians are being trained in Penza, "Artillery Engineering Institute"

[Laksamana besar]

"Mikhailovskaya military artillery academy".

[Lopatov]

Well...
In St. Petersburg, the commanders, in Penza, techies.
In Penza "institute" because they are a branch of the Military Academy MTO

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Recall that officers for the formations and units of the Marine Corps are trained only in two educational institutions - in the Ryazan Higher Airborne Command School (RVVDKU) and the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School (DalVOKU).

This is not entirely true.
For example, Here is the oath in the Mikhailovsky Artillery

And in RVVDKKU marines have never been trained. Another thing is that no, no, and someone flew in to plug the vacant holes in the DShB MP. My friend from his youth "got" so, he still remembers with a shudder - like, who came up with these non-military forces ?! The DShB grew up to a zambomat, however, then went to other troops.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

And in the RVVDKKU the marines were never prepared.

Now they are cooking. Which is clearly not particularly adequate. Marines away from the sea, Mountain unit commanders away from the mountains ... Lyapota ... They will show on fingers

By the way, they didn’t seem to prepare svyazyuk either, in a normal school of communication

[mavrus]

Quote: Vladimir61

Does anyone touch the name? This is not about renaming parts of the MP, but about reforming! This is practically and legally justified. Professional training will improve, year + - this is strong, and legally, there will be no point in hiding the marines "under deck", as it happened in the Soviet Union.

The militiamen were renamed into the police, what has changed? But they also said something about the concept ... Apparently, more funds from the budget go to the "concept". And it sounds more solid than "rename".

[ZVS]

This is a complete Arctic fox! The Russian armed forces, which were intended to protect the territory of the country, are becoming a tool for the seizure of foreign territories. Guys, does our leadership plan to make Russia a colonial country? What are the expeditionary forces from the marines ?! What is going on in the country? The police are renamed the police, the guards are given the name of the armed formations, called to fight their own people, Now the expeditionary forces!
It was not Putin and Shoigu who created the Marine Corps, which covered itself with glory on the fields of the Great Patriotic War, and they did not rename this glorious military branch, erasing from the people's memory the exploits of the heroes of the Marines.

[Dart2027]

Quote: SU

The Russian armed forces, which were intended to protect the territory of the country, are becoming a tool for the seizure of foreign territories.

You need to protect your country as far as possible from its borders, otherwise then you will have to restore the destroyed for a long time

[Doliva63]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: SU

The Russian armed forces, which were intended to protect the territory of the country, are becoming a tool for the seizure of foreign territories.

You need to protect your country as far as possible from its borders, otherwise then you will have to restore the destroyed for a long time

Do you really think that someone other than NATO is threatening our borders? Or are you sure that the expeditionary forces will prepare exclusively for landing on the coast of the United States and Great Britain?
Stupidity, in general, by golly.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Doliva63

Do you really think that someone other than NATO is threatening our borders?

Do you really think that NATO will go into direct conflict with a country possessing nuclear weapons? Can't you think of anything stupider?
Our time is the era of wars such as in Syria or the Donbass.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Doliva63

Do you really think that someone other than NATO is threatening our borders?

Do you really think that NATO will go into direct conflict with a country possessing nuclear weapons? Can't you think of anything stupider?
Our time is the era of wars such as in Syria or the Donbass.

It's nonsense to think that wars like the Syrian will save us from something. All decisions are made, it is known where, there it is necessary to fight - hybrid, network-centric, as you like, but - there. The rest is money down the drain. Although, of course, people's money, I’m not sorry.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Doliva63

All decisions are made. It’s known where, where it is necessary to fight.

Do you propose starting a nuclear war? Hmm ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Doliva63

All decisions are made. It’s known where, where it is necessary to fight.

Do you propose starting a nuclear war? Hmm ...

No, I mean, even our fastest-victorious war with a thread of Mozambique will not affect the attitude of the West towards the Russian Federation.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Doliva63

will not affect the attitude of the West towards the Russian Federation

Of course it will not be reflected. It’s just now that they are fighting in order to seize another resource base from the enemy, and not like in 41 - to Berlin. And for such wars, the MP will prepare the army.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Doliva63

will not affect the attitude of the West towards the Russian Federation

Of course it will not be reflected. It’s just now that they are fighting in order to seize another resource base from the enemy, and not like in 41 - to Berlin. And for such wars, the MP will prepare the army.

And when they will bring their troops into the next resource base, do you propose to start a nuclear war? Yeah

[Dart2027]

Quote: Doliva63

And when they will bring their troops into the next resource base

But because of this, no nuclear explosives will begin. Actually, this is nothing new, so they fought in the 70s and 80s of the last century.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: SU

It's full

Oh, one more ... It seems today is a general gathering.

Quote: SU

What is going on in the country?

Autumn has come, and inadequate rushed to graze - someone on the street anneals, and someone on the net.

Quote: SU

It was not Putin who created the Marines with Shoigu, the leadership plans to make Russia a colonial country?

Even interesting - is it a hysteria or an ordinary train of thought?

Quote: SU

fight with your own people

If the "people" are a bunch of inadequate people carrying heresy, while not having the slightest idea about the subject, then for such a "people" there are enough orderlies and a doctor in charge with a set of necessary drugs.

Quote: SU

and they don’t rename this glorious kind of troops,

And here is the "cherry" for this crazy "comment cake". Oh, trouble, trouble ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: SU

It was not Putin and Shoigu who created the Marine Corps, which covered itself with glory on the fields of the Great Patriotic War

Very touching, but the MP was created in 1705 by Sovereign Peter Alekseevich, and not by the Communists at all, so its history began much earlier than the Second World War.

[Atlant-1164]

here are the keywords .. expedition, and knowledge of foreign languages.
-this is like if you are "invited" to so that they know the local language)

[faterdom]

Quote: Atlant-1164

here are the keywords .. expedition, and knowledge of foreign languages.
-this is like if you are "invited" to so that they know the local language)

Are you saying that in 45 our grandfathers did not know enough German when they were "invited" to Germany?
Normal volume for infantry: "Hyundai hoh! Hitler kaput!" - all! Enough!

[Avis-bis]

Quote: faterdom

Normal volume for infantry: "Hyundai hoh! Hitler kaput!" - all! Enough!

Little bit more. :)

[Leopold]

And where is "Halt! Ver de Schiessen!" ?

[APASUS]

Preparing the actions of marines to carry out peacekeeping missions, evacuating citizens, and acting in the interests of the country is impossible without the availability of modern Navy. As long as we equip the fleet with coastal defense systems only, we do not have modern expeditionary forces.

[Alexey from Perm]

can then give MGIMO graduates black berets?

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

can then give MGIMO graduates black berets?

For MGIMO graduates, it’s just right to give out black servants for attendants, what kind of berets do they take?

[Geo⁣]

Where is the first expedition?)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Geo⁣

Where is the first expedition?)

Stupid question
Rogozin in white on Russian pointed: to the moon.
What else is not clear?

[VeteranVSSSR]

And rinse sopagi in the Indian Ocean? ... or am I missing something?

[Lopatov]

Quote: VeteranVSSSR

And rinse sopagi in the Indian Ocean? ... or am I missing something?

At Vladimir Volfych wanted. Long. But this is not an expedition. So, PCBs are common

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Spade

to the moon.
What else is not clear?

It is not clear why Rogozin should share laurels with some marines. Itself will fly, most likely.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Geo⁣

He will fly

Caution with threats to the official 8)))

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Geo⁣

Where is the first expedition?)

Stupid question
Rogozin in white on Russian pointed: to the moon.
What else is not clear?

Wait a second! And then what foreign language will they learn?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Doliva63

Wait a second! And then what foreign language will they learn?

Judging by the results of Rogozin's work, English and most likely Chinese

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Doliva63

Wait a second! And then what foreign language will they learn?

Judging by the results of Rogozin's work, English and most likely Chinese

English and Chinese - so that local guides on the moon understand what?

[Lopatov]

Local centenarians

[Old26]

Quote: Vladimir16

Nah.rena military diplomats are going to do?
You ate up on the top of shit?

"Civilian" diplomats may not always be in place. And the Marines will have to resolve issues at the diplomatic level. An acquaintance of mine once evacuated our specialists from the Horn of Africa, from Yemen. And according to him, sometimes you had to be a diplomat

[Lopatov]

Quote: Old26

And the marines will have to resolve issues at the diplomacy level.

A lot of people have had to, have and will have to. So now, call all the RF Armed Forces "expeditionary"?
By the way, we have as many as two brigades have peacekeeping training, where are they now?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Old26

And the marines will have to resolve issues at the diplomacy level.

A lot of people have had to, have and will have to. So now, call all the RF Armed Forces "expeditionary"?
By the way, we have as many as two brigades have peacekeeping training, where are they now?

In the marines. Ugh, damn, these ... forwarders!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Spade

So now, call all the RF Armed Forces "expeditionary"?

Well, the likelihood that any motorized rifle battalion from near Moscow or Smolensk will be sent abroad very low. But the Marines are going (or already) to carry on all ships and ships of the Navy.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, the likelihood that any motorized rifle battalion from near Moscow or Smolensk will be sent abroad very low

Question: Where do the officers come from in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Transnistria, Armenia, Tajikistan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia? From damp wind up?

By the way, OGRV PRRM are subordinate to Western Military District, and earlier to Moscow. So fly overseas once to spit.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Spade

By the way, OGRV PRRM are subordinate to Western Military District, and earlier to Moscow.

Yes, where does submission? Simply, the MP will be more actively involved in actions abroad, but not in the neighboring countries of which you speak.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dart2027

Yes, where does submission?

How? Guess once, where did they get officers for units related to Western HE?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Spade

where do they get officers for units related to Western HE

From MP? And I really didn’t know.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Dart2027

From MP?

Most likely it will be necessary now from there. Or, as I indicated initially, declare all the RF Armed Forces in their entirety as "expeditionary".

[7,62x54]

Wagner can't handle it?

[Salty]

Quote: 7,62x54

Wagner can't handle it?

The tasks are different.

[Evil 55]

I do not advise you to touch the DVOKA, because it is the "Alma Mater" of many worthy officers of all branches and types of troops. The only school, both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation, which trains command personnel from the units of the surface (submarine) forces of the Navy and the Ground Forces, but, it is quite possible, and the VKS ... and to introduce a 5-year compulsory education for the sake of studying a couple of non-working conventions and treaties, and expanding the knowledge of the language of a potential adversary, I think it is unreasonable, because it is best to study the language and jurisprudence within the framework of stimulating forms for young officers ..

[Doliva63]

Quote: Evil 55

I do not advise you to touch the DVOKA, because it is the "Alma Mater" of many worthy officers of all branches and types of troops. The only school, both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation, which trains command personnel from the units of the surface (submarine) forces of the Navy and the Ground Forces, but, it is quite possible, and the VKS ... and to introduce a 5-year compulsory education for the sake of studying a couple of non-working conventions and treaties, and expanding the knowledge of the language of a potential adversary, I think it is unreasonable, because it is best to study the language and jurisprudence within the framework of stimulating forms for young officers ..

I was pleased to give a plus for language and jurisprudence, but did not understand what relation DVOKU has to the surface (submarine) forces of the Navy, so there is also the position of "commander of a motorized rifle platoon"?

[Evil 55]

Yes, there are admirals who have graduated from the TWO ..

[Doliva63]

Quote: Evil 55

Yes, there are admirals who have graduated from the TWO ..

On wikipedia, among the famous graduates of the admirals was not, write to them, poor, post correct

[Aviator_]

And not such schools were dispersed. Where is the Orenburg flight named after Polbin? Well, okay, they liquidated under EBNe in the fall of 1993, it was a long time ago. And the Orenburg anti-aircraft gun? - This is already under the Most Serene.

[Gardamir]

The Kremlin gentlemen borrowed the idea of ​​an expeditionary force from their owners from the State Department. In Russia, there is already nothing to cut, but abroad the field is not plowed, sawn wood. Syria, Venezuela, Libya, how many more places on the planet where there is money for the next palace and not only with ducks.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

The Kremlin gentlemen borrowed the idea of ​​an expeditionary force from their owners from the State Department. In Russia, there is already nothing to cut, but abroad the field is not plowed, sawn wood.

You will decide on the owners, because if they exist, then why would they give the "gentlemen from the Kremlin" ole unplowed, unplowed firewood, instead of taking them for themselves

[Vasyan1971]

A new concept for the use of the Marine Corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy will deliver them.

But what about the Airborne Forces-shnoe "Nobody but us!"? As for me, the only difference is in the means of delivery. And so - the guys are specific, that some, that others.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Vasyan1971

A new concept for the use of the Marine Corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy will deliver them.

But what about the Airborne Forces-shnoe "Nobody but us!"? As for me, the only difference is in the means of delivery. And so - the guys are specific, that some, that others.

From concreteness, only memories remained of the time of the 90s, beginning of the 2000s. However, maybe I don’t know what.

[Old26]

Quote: Spade

By the way, we have as many as two brigades have peacekeeping training, where are they now?

Well, peacekeeping is still a little bit wrong. Their task is to separate

[Chaldon48]

Where will they be delivered to the place, by submarines, or how, under Khrushchev, to Cuba in the holds of dry cargo ships?

[Boozer]

I recalled an episode from the film "Peculiarities of the National Hunt", where the general spoke Finnish ...

[fa2998]

Yes, at least 10 years, train any airborne landing officers. Can we teach many foreign languages, how will we deliver the expeditionary forces? They are now guarding naval bases, turned into coastal defense.

[Tank hard]

Quote: fa2998

You can teach many foreign languages ​​-

This is a complex issue, not everyone is capable, often this ability is from birth ...

[Tank hard]

Why take part of the GRU special forces functions on the marines?

A new concept for the use of the marine corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where they will be delivered

acting in the interests of their country in local conflicts far beyond its borders, etc..

and speak foreign languages ​​to pursue Russian policy in that part of the world where he will be sent to solve problems.

GRU special forces no longer needed? Can not manage? Is he not there?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank Hard

GRU special forces no longer needed?

Special Forces acts secretly, and the MP is open.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dart2027

Special Forces acts secretly, and MP openly

So what?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank Hard

So what?

You do not know the difference between the actions in the open and quietly?
To make it easier to understand, let's take a game about Assassins - you can quietly eliminate the target and quietly leave, so no one will notice you, but you can take it by storm killing all the guards.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dart2027

take a game about Assassins

Who about what, and you about games ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank Hard

and you about games

That is, it has now become clear.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, it has now become clear.

take a game about Assassins - you can quietly eliminate the target and quietly leave, so nobody noticed you and you can take by storm killing all the guards.

After this "work" of yours, something became clear to me and more your opinion on these issues, to me personally - not interesting ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Tank Hard

After this your "work", something became clear to me

I am glad that I was able to convey to you this information in a language accessible to your understanding.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Michael Drabkin

-In fact: Marines will be trained for a year more. Everything else is from the same newspaper about which “There is no Truth in Izvestia ...”.
—- Here the other day there is the same: .. ”I want to draw your attention to the fact that this is a stereotype that something is falling. We have been standing and not falling for a long time, ”Rogozin quotes.
Pearl!!!

And what, to juggle the knowledge of old anecdotes is the very thing. Check out the Pravda newspaper. And Rogozin is like a stop signal to a hare. To the place and to the time. So it seems to you. But not to everyone else.

[Der visch]

Two hands "for" with a small comment (from personal experience). He studied for 5 years in a school, first a flight 2 course, then in a navigator. He did well in theory, two months after entering the flight school, he was appointed commander of the squad, then (in the navigator's) - the zakomv platoon. As a lieutenant in the regiment, he had to go in various outfits. Once being in charge of the squadron (it was during the fight against bullying in the 90s - he must be present in the barracks after dinner until lights out, monitor the daily routine and monitor discipline, avoiding the manifestation of "hazing") after lights out for violation of discipline an ordinary Georgian by nationality to wash the floor in the barracks. He started, washed and washed, then yelled something, threw the mop and without outer clothing (it was winter) rushed out of the barracks somewhere. Reported to the squadron commander. He raised the alarm on all the officers of the squadron of more than a hundred people and searched for this fugitive for several hours. I ended up with my fellow countrymen in a stoker. In a conversation with me, the political officer explained that I very much humiliated this fighter, forced him to do women's work, which is not accepted by them. But I did not know, by the simplicity of my soul, so to speak, pushed a person to a crime. I was no longer put in charge of the squadron. But I made a conclusion for myself - they also have special characteristics and they must be taken into account. My sergeant skills were weak compared to reality. There were only three titular nationalities in the school (or rather, four, considering the Jews). And there were no special problems. So that's it. After the second year I propose to send all cadets for a 3-month internship as squad commanders for training. At the moment, all conscripts in the Russian army are admitted through a 6-month training course. There they are taught the primary skills of military service and are weaned from the "mother's skirt". I am sure everyone will benefit.
And further. Again from my own experience. He studied German at school for seven years. Score - 5, but not in a tooth with a foot. I studied German for 5 years at the school - the same result. He entered the Air Force Academy in Monino in 1994 (by that time he had forgotten everything except the German alphabet). But, lucky. The teacher, Valentina Ivanovna, a deep bow to her, the only woman of all the teachers at the academy, taught her to speak German in two or three months. She literally explained the principles of constructing sentences on her fingers (and it turned out to be so simple, this language) and everything worked out. It's all about the Teacher. Back in the fifties of the twentieth century, she began to teach foreign languages, running around distant garrisons after her husband, a pilot. Both her experience and our abilities (memory in the first place) made the seemingly impossible. Two or three months later, just like our fellow listeners, the sons of officers who served in Germany, and who spent several childhood years surrounded by German-speaking citizens, and by the time we entered the academy, who were "spanking" like true Germans, communicated in German with our teacher. Classes began with oral conversations: the teacher asked questions - we answered only in German. Later the textbooks were opened and the training continued according to the program.
I’ll add directly to the topic of the article. The training program needs to be adjusted not in terms of instilling the ability to be able to speak the language of international communication or a potential adversary, but in a slightly different plane. The training program for officers in Soviet times was replete with excessive (in my opinion) saturation of theoretical knowledge in many areas of both science and politics (social studies, scientific communism, political economy and other Talmudistics ...). A lot of time can be reserved for learning the necessary applied skills by reducing the time spent on ideological pumping. To study the experience of training officer personnel in the USA, Israel, Japan and apply the best of everything with us. And for the training of officers of the Marine Corps and the Airborne Forces, it is necessary first of all to use a psychophysiological filter when enrolling in a school. Then, already in the process of training, to instill the skill of independence, to be able to make decisions and be ready to answer for them in any situations, both in battle and in everyday life. The peculiarity of these schools is that officers should be issued ready for independent actions singly or commanding units of various composition not only behind enemy lines, but also in any other difficult circumstances, even in case of an emergency of a natural nature, for example. This is the main thing .....

[Tank hard]

Quote: Der Visch

The training program needs to be adjusted not in terms of instilling the ability to be able to speak the language of international communication or a potential adversary, but in a slightly different plane

What is it like? Only officially recognized UN languages ​​- six! And the likely opponents of Russia, and in general, the sea is draft ... You are going to staff the expeditionary corps, well, so that they would know a bunch of languages ​​and the fighters are excellent?

Quote: Der Visch

To study the experience of training officer personnel in the USA, Israel, Japan and apply the best of everything with us. And for the training of officers of the Marine Corps and the Airborne Forces, it is necessary first of all to use a psychophysiological filter when enrolling in a school. Then, already in the process of training, to instill the skill of independence, to be able to make decisions and be ready to answer for them in any situations, both in battle and in everyday life. The peculiarity of these schools is that officers should be issued ready for independent actions singly or commanding units of various composition not only behind enemy lines, but also in any other difficult circumstances, even in case of an emergency of a natural nature, for example

But the boys did not know ...

Quote: Der Visch

In two, three months, we’re already just like our fellow students, sons of officers who served in Germany and spent several childhood years surrounded by German-speaking citizens and by the time they entered the academy, "spanked" like true Germans,

As a person directly communicating with linguists and especially "German-speaking", I agree with the phrase attributed to Stanislavsky K.S. - "I do not believe!".

[nnz226]

If regular baboons capture some ship with Russian sailors, will our marines be freed, with the heads of the baboons on the platter? Or again there will be only diplomatic chatter?

[Basarev]

Therefore, Russia still has foreign interests. And for their protection, aircraft carriers are still needed. And a trifle will not work.

[Simoom]

Expeditionary, "breed" blacks, the olegarchs to look for and protect new prey. You will be a colonial country.

[Berkut24]

The world is changing and the tasks of the Marines are changing in an interesting way. It seems that the slogan "our area of ​​responsibility is the whole world" is beginning to appear in the United States.

[Chess knight]

I read the versions and assumptions of commentators ... I will not say that part of the law, and part of the wrong ...
my personal opinion...
It is high time...
MP with a population of 15000 is not clear what and where, but now it is becoming clear:
- Airborne forces reserve of the Commander-in-Chief - mainly on the territory of Russia (well, it’s clear that according to the situation, if necessary)
- Marines - outside of Russia, where is the likeness of ILC mattresses.
Given the fact that the number is three times less than the Airborne Forces, then the selection can be stricter (in the MP), in principle it turns out, - "bulls" with health A + not everyone wants to learn one or two foreign ones, but "physics" and skill very suitable for the Airborne Forces, and the category of "diplomats" with health A + in the MP.
Who wants a fleet "here and now" alas .. not now! But the commander-in-chief said that we will be a maritime world power! Unfortunately or fortunately, such things are not done in one year ... But the concept of what will be done and the goal to which you need to go is.
Now it is!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Chess Knight

then the selection can be stricter (in the MP), in principle it turns out that way - not everyone wants to teach one or two foreign "bulls" with health A +, but "physics" and skill are very suitable for the Airborne Forces, and the category of "diplomats" with health A + in MP.

Yeah, at the faculties of foreign languages ​​wake up to look for what you called them - "" bulls with health A + "?

Quote: Chess Knight

Now it is!

Nothing yet, but traditionally some people like to pass off wishful thinking ...

Quote: Chess Knight

But the commander in chief said that we would be a maritime world power!

Duc, like since the time of Peter 1 already, no?

Quote: Chess Knight

my personal opinion...

This is yes ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Let reform, but leave the name ... This is the Marine Corps.

[Avior]

Not quite clear.
There is, for example, the United States ILC. Independent branch of service.
This is the expeditionary force.
He has the structure, staff and training appropriate, high level of combat readiness and mobility.
In the USSR, the Airborne Forces were used for similar purposes, although without parachutes as a rule. There were a lot of them, and the states and their structure disposed to mobile actions.
But the task of the MP in both the USSR and Russia is the classic marines — the capture and retention of bridgeheads for the landing of naval assault forces, and the defense of the coast. With expeditionary goals is very weakly connected.
States, quantity, organizational structure - nothing corresponds to the mobile corps, which is able to reach the other end of the Earth and fulfill the assigned tasks on a rather large scale.
The MP platoon on the cruiser is not an expeditionary force.
And you can’t sit down anymore, it’s not a cruise liner, seats for passengers are not very provided for.
So the question arises, why is the expeditionary force created on the basis of the MP, and not the Airborne Forces?
Tracing paper from the USA? So their marines have been an expeditionary force for a very long time, and their structure is very different from the classic marines with their specific range of tasks.
But the Airborne Forces are just fine with this.

[Olezhek]

So the question arises, why is the expeditionary force created on the basis of the MP, and not the Airborne Forces?
Tracing paper from the USA?

That's exactly what it looks like.
Marines in Russia and Marines in the USA are two big differences.

[Avior]

Here I am about the same.

[Radical]

A new concept for the use of the Marine Corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy will deliver them.

As they say, with all the fibers - for! And, (without irony, and trolling) - do we have a fleet that will deliver them there?

[Olezhek]

Do we have a fleet that will deliver them there?

This is a separate issue.

[Radical]

Quote: Avior

Not quite clear.
There is, for example, the United States ILC. Independent branch of service.
This is the expeditionary force.
He has the structure, staff and training appropriate, high level of combat readiness and mobility.
In the USSR, the Airborne Forces were used for similar purposes, although without parachutes as a rule. There were a lot of them, and the states and their structure disposed to mobile actions.
But the task of the MP in both the USSR and Russia is the classic marines — the capture and retention of bridgeheads for the landing of naval assault forces, and the defense of the coast. With expeditionary goals is very weakly connected.
States, quantity, organizational structure - nothing corresponds to the mobile corps, which is able to reach the other end of the Earth and fulfill the assigned tasks on a rather large scale.
The MP platoon on the cruiser is not an expeditionary force.
And you can’t sit down anymore, it’s not a cruise liner, seats for passengers are not very provided for.
So the question arises, why is the expeditionary force created on the basis of the MP, and not the Airborne Forces?
Tracing paper from the USA? So their marines have been an expeditionary force for a very long time, and their structure is very different from the classic marines with their specific range of tasks.
But the Airborne Forces are just fine with this.

True, but someone (in the RF Ministry of Defense) again has a reformist itch, someone wants to designate their "knowledge" ....

[BossM]

Evacuation * - read as liquidation))

[Olezhek]

These changes are associated with the reform of the Marine Corps, according to which "black berets" become expeditionary forces of Russia, capable of performing tasks anywhere in the world

Sounds like a social ad ...
Who needs it, why?
Who awaits us on the far shores?
What does "anywhere in the world" mean?
Does Fort Knox also come in here?

[Langf]

We must assume that ekranoplanes are already on the way, otherwise "expedition" on the oars will somehow not be handy. The initiative is remarkable. Now the enemies will wake up, taste the prospects and, I am sure, there will be a squeal - Mama do not cry.

[Eug]

And the number will increase accordingly, or how?

[grumbler]

Maybe in our time the division into "marines", "airborne troops", "motorized riflemen", etc. is generally irrelevant? And they should be replaced by some "universal mobile forces"? Trained to disembark from aircraft / helicopters / envelopes, and from landing craft / hovercraft / self-propelled barges / boats and boats.
And act both on foot and on vehicles (from horses and mules, to buggies, snowmobiles, trucks and armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles). They are seconded to where they are needed.

The difference may be in the "bias" in preparation (mountains, deserts, tropics, Siberia, the Arctic, ...), there are different uniforms, equipment, tactics, survival techniques, specific medicine.
And, of course, some of the officers will have to be specially trained in areas (Asia, Arabia, Africa, ...) - geography, ethnography, languages ​​of religion and customs. In order not to cause unnecessary complications with the population, customs and religion (this is very important - not to climb right away "Gulchatay show your face" - we remember how it ended for the poor fellow; to be able to enter the local house correctly, with respect - whom to greet first, with whom later ; do not rush headlong to establish equality in Swedish, barely entering the village, etc. "subtleties of the East").

But "take and drain" the Airborne Forces, marines, etc. - it will not work right away. Managment structure. Financing. Traditions, ambition ("we are our blue / green / speckled / gray-brown-crimson ... we will not change berets for another color!"), Individual ambitions of bosses. (Look, with articles about the fleet, they write that they need a repaired "naval aviation" - but how difficult everything is. Or in the US, the Army is fighting with Aviation for the right to decide whether to have attack aircraft or not. This is nonsense, but a fact). So, it seems to me, and they are trying in stages, "so as not to offend anyone."

Although purely for reasons of "optimization" I would make "generalists" and change the delivery methods and equipment.
But that's the 'imho' of the civilian dilettante.

[Dart2027]

Quote: grumbler

Maybe in our time the division into "marines", "airborne troops", "motorized riflemen", etc. is generally irrelevant?

The MP and the Airborne Forces are possible, although the difference in training is not going anywhere, so it is rather possible not to unite them into one military branch, but to unite into a single rapid response corps.

[Radical]

Quote: Olezhek

Do we have a fleet that will deliver them there?

This is a separate issue.

This is not a separate, but a completely interconnected issue.

[Radical]

Quote: grumbler

Maybe in our time the division into "marines", "airborne troops", "motorized riflemen", etc. is generally irrelevant? And they should be replaced by some "universal mobile forces"? Trained to disembark from aircraft / helicopters / envelopes, and from landing craft / hovercraft / self-propelled barges / boats and boats.
And act both on foot and on vehicles (from horses and mules, to buggies, snowmobiles, trucks and armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles). They are seconded to where they are needed.

The difference may be in the "bias" in preparation (mountains, deserts, tropics, Siberia, the Arctic, ...), there are different uniforms, equipment, tactics, survival techniques, specific medicine.
And, of course, some of the officers will have to be specially trained in areas (Asia, Arabia, Africa, ...) - geography, ethnography, languages ​​of religion and customs. In order not to cause unnecessary complications with the population, customs and religion (this is very important - not to climb right away "Gulchatay show your face" - we remember how it ended for the poor fellow; to be able to enter the local house correctly, with respect - whom to greet first, with whom later ; do not rush headlong to establish equality in Swedish, barely entering the village, etc. "subtleties of the East").

But "take and drain" the Airborne Forces, marines, etc. - it will not work right away. Managment structure. Financing. Traditions, ambition ("we are our blue / green / speckled / gray-brown-crimson ... we will not change berets for another color!"), Individual ambitions of bosses. (Look, with articles about the fleet, they write that they need a repaired "naval aviation" - but how difficult everything is. Or in the US, the Army is fighting with Aviation for the right to decide whether to have attack aircraft or not. This is nonsense, but a fact). So, it seems to me, and they are trying in stages, "so as not to offend anyone."

Although purely for reasons of "optimization" I would make "generalists" and change the delivery methods and equipment.
But that's the 'imho' of the civilian dilettante.

This is beautiful, only you accidentally did not confuse the Russian Federation with the USA?

[grumbler]

Please plz what you need to laugh at, I also want :)
Do you mean that I attribute US ambitions to Russia? (so it seems like I did not come up with it, but the Commander-in-Chief comrades). Or in the sense that it is too "American" in terms of organization? (so modern military logistics clearly forces to use approaches with "architecture", "encapsulation", "slots", "interfaces", etc. - are we worse than that?). And, yes, excuse me - "professional dislocation" of the brain :) The IT industry is "American" in its approach to work.

[weddu]

the plan is clear, the "Sherpas from Dubenok" will rule everything ... if the God's chosen ones were imposed ...

[Radical]

Quote: grumbler

Please plz what you need to laugh at, I also want :)
Do you mean that I attribute US ambitions to Russia? (so it seems like I did not come up with it, but the Commander-in-Chief comrades). Or in the sense that it is too "American" in terms of organization? (so modern military logistics clearly forces to use approaches with "architecture", "encapsulation", "slots", "interfaces", etc. - are we worse than that?). And, yes, excuse me - "professional dislocation" of the brain :) The IT industry is "American" in its approach to work.

I agree that most likely you didn’t come up with, but what does it change ...?

[Radical]

Quote: Olezhek

These changes are associated with the reform of the Marine Corps, according to which "black berets" become expeditionary forces of Russia, capable of performing tasks anywhere in the world

Sounds like a social ad ...
Who needs it, why?
Who awaits us on the far shores?
What does "anywhere in the world" mean?
Does Fort Knox also come in here?

[Sergei71]

First of all, you need to change the color of the beret and come up with a new chevron. The rest is secondary.

[dirk182]

Some kind of nonsense and nothing more. Not in the sense of a training program. Extra knowledge never hurts. But “expeditionary”......analogue of PMCs under the Ministry of Defense

[Diviz]

Why are we being petty? Air Force became VKS these are large-scale plans.

[grumbler]

Above, I fantasized about some “universal mobile forces”.
Apparently it is born? - “The group of “universal officers” completed additional training taking into account the experience of combat operations in Syria,” http://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2019-11-28/100_191128news4.html

“Based on the best experience in combat operations, including in Syria, this unique experimental program for additional training of officers was developed and its testing was organized,” Yevkurov noted for his part.
...
During additional training, officers received the necessary knowledge and skills by completing seven special combat training missions in a difficult tactical situation, each time sequentially going through four elements - land, water, fire and air.

As part of a special forces unit, future “universal officers” mastered landing from helicopters in an assault style, overcoming difficult sections of the mountainous landscape, crossing water obstacles (on boats, ropes and under water), organizing ambushes, equipping temporary bases, using drones, performed live firing exercises from various types of small arms, mortars and howitzers.

Those. there is a clear desire for “multi-domain” (“ambush”, “landing from helicopters in an assault style, overcoming difficult sections of the mountain landscape” - this is from the domain “highly mobile units”, “special forces”, “mountain units”, etc. , and “equipping temporary bases and firing howitzers” is from the “combined arms” domain). And to the “many-medium” (“land, water, fire and air”).
They are training officers, and they will lead the units. It is very important to organize the training of high-quality petty officers.

But if Systems Engineering Approach (even with such a superficial, purely amateurish look “from the sofa”) gives conclusions that are generally similar to those developed based on the results of military operations, it seems that it's time to introduce a course in Systems Engineering in all military academies. Moreover, there is a methodological basis: under the auspices of Rosatom, VNIIAES the Russian Institute of Systems Engineering operates, publishes educational manuals and translates the best foreign textbooks. Projection of S.I. methods for military affairs, can produce results comparable to the use of S.I. when creating complex systems (IT, nuclear power plants, shipbuilding, astronautics) and in managing large-scale business processes (corporate and government management, production, logistics, etc.).

[grumbler]

To follow up: the methodology may also be useful for the military to solve these systemic problems TRIZ (Theory of Inventive Problem Solving) adapted for the military field. Like any methodology, it is not capable of making an Edison or a Korolev out of any engineer, but a Suvorov or Rokossovsky out of any officer. But it allows you to systematize the approach to solving difficult problems, narrow the direction of the search (based on the so-called “matrix of contradictions”) and indicate when to resort to “perpendicular” solutions. Which can reduce the time it takes to find solutions and improve their quality.

In my opinion, the huge advantage of the TRIZ methodology is that it was developed by G. Altshuller and his colleagues based on an analysis of the patent database. Those. by its nature it is based on data-mining technology. Using a similar approach today (but using data-mining technologies and machine learning), it is possible to develop a matrix of contradictions for military science. And based on this matrix of contradictions, further develop algorithms that help partially automate the search for solutions in military automated control systems and automated control systems.

[Chaldon48]

In order to accommodate marines on each ship, free space and additional supplies of food and water are needed. I wonder if they will be on submarines too?

[Pavel Amarok]

That is, they want to make the Marine Corps what it should essentially be? Bravo, damn it, very timely! Will they at least forget to update the material part?