The standard of living of Ukraine and New Russia. Exponential comparison

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It is more expensive to eat in Ukraine


Not so long ago, a video thundered on the network in which authors compare prices in supermarkets in Kiev and Saratov. The results were very unpleasant for Ukrainians. Food in Russia is much cheaper than in Ukraine. Moreover, the most interesting thing is that even vegetables and fruits in Ukraine, which only recently claimed the status of an agricultural giant, are more expensive.





Of course, the hype surrounding this video caused a natural desire to compare the cost of products in LDNR and Ukraine. The results were approximately the same, which is not surprising, since the prices for food in Novorossia are not too different from the Russian ones, although the products themselves are much better in taste, as they are more natural. An exception is the so-called socially significant products, the prices of which are restrained in order to maintain their accessibility for socially vulnerable layers of the population.

It is also worth noting that Ukraine has significantly higher prices for fuel, alcohol and cigarettes, not to mention housing and communal services tariffs. When comparing living standards in the republics and Ukraine, the tariff factor is often decisive.



How much is life?


The average salary in the DPR according to official figures is 11,5 thousand rubles. Minimum - 4 813 rubles. In Ukraine, the minimum wage is significantly higher and amounts to 4173 hryvnia. As for the average wage, there are certain discrepancies. If you believe official Kiev, then it reached 10,1 thousand hryvnias, but this figure seems somewhat overestimated. Probably, it is relevant for large cities (Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, etc.). As for the periphery, they call a much smaller figure - 6200-6500 hryvnia.

The situation is leveled out thanks to housing and communal services tariffs, which in Ukraine have reached record heights and continue to grow (in 2020, prices are expected to rise at the level of 20%). Even after raising tariffs this fall, the average payment for housing and communal services in Donetsk is about 600 rubles. After the start of the heating season, it will grow to 800-1000 rubles. Compared to Ukrainian tariffs, it’s just manna from heaven. If you believe the Ukrainian publication Liga.net, the average payment for utilities for a two-room apartment is 4-5 thousand hryvnias. At the same time, on October 1, new rules for obtaining subsidies came into force, after which hundreds of thousands of beneficiaries will remain without help.

By the way, the DPR government kept its promise. Raising tariffs in Donetsk, they promised to raise salaries for housing and communal services employees with these funds. Just the other day on official channels passed newsthat the increase still took place.

Why did the Maidan ride?


As predicted, the standard of living in Ukraine and New Russia is gradually coming to a common denominator. The republics are gradually raising social standards, the authorities are restraining, as they know, price increases, and thanks to the help of Russia, the cost of electricity and gas, the main components of payment systems, remains at a pleasantly low level. At the same time, in Ukraine, in accordance with the IMF's precepts and the rules of a market economy, prices are soaring.

At the same time, the choice made by Ukraine in the 2014 year affects the standard of living. It was not necessary to conquer the EU markets, but the Russian market was lost. As a result, agriculture contracted before the cultivation of wheat and a number of industrial crops, and vegetables and fruits have to be imported, which stories "Square" has never been. It ordered production to live for a long time, whole industries collapsed ... It is not for nothing that Ukrainians are so actively moving around the world - the number of migrant workers is estimated from 5 to 8 million people.

Not much time will pass, and the standard of living of a Ukrainian living on the periphery, outside the Kiev region and regional megacities, will equal, and then begin to lag behind the standard of living of LDNR residents. And, perhaps, this will be a significant defeat for Kiev.

However, Ukrainians will not know about this: TSN and the 5 channel will tell them that in Russia they eat the last hedgehogs, and in Novorossia they will eat each other, and they will believe together. Such a riddle: when Ukrainians go to Russia to earn money, they don’t believe that hedgehogs are eaten there, and how they return home they immediately begin to believe. Nothing to do about.
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  1. +6
    21 October 2019 15: 11
    That's cool! We are better than living in Ukraine and our prices are cheaper .. And what would happen in Ukraine if they had gas and oil? Would the situation be in our favor in this case?
    But the point is not even that, but that it is necessary to compare with progressive countries, and not with those where it is complete ..
    With respect to Afghanistan, we are generally cool .. so the bottom is still far away .. They want to tell us this when they compare with Ukraine?
    1. +31
      21 October 2019 15: 15
      Come to Vladivostok "nicely" you will be surprised.
      1. +5
        21 October 2019 15: 20
        All of these price comparisons are akin to the average temperature in a hospital. And the bookkeepers will count anything "right" for the money.
        1. +1
          22 October 2019 10: 02
          Quote: lexus
          All of these price comparisons are akin to the average temperature in a hospital. And the bookkeepers will count anything "right" for the money.

          In general, specific figures, not average indications, have given you. And what accountants are there? These are real prices in LDNR and dill.
    2. +21
      21 October 2019 15: 19
      Just got the news The number of adult dollar billionaires in Russia for the year increased from 74 to 110 people in mid-2019, and the number of dollar millionaires - from 172 thousand to 246 thousand people, follows from a review of the Credit Suisse Research Institute research structure.
      Quote: Svarog
      But the point is not even that, but that it is necessary to compare with progressive countries, and not with those where it’s complete.
      So Russia will not hit the dirt in front of rich countries. As for the poor - the bulk of the population, then who cares about their problems? For them, there’s a good Ukraine, there is someone to compare with.
      1. +4
        21 October 2019 15: 22
        Quote: kjhg
        The news has just appeared. The number of adult dollar billionaires in Russia for the year increased from 74 to 110 people in mid-2019, and the number of dollar millionaires - from 172 thousand to 246 thousand people.

        So the rate of robbery is how it increased .. not surprising ..
        1. +12
          21 October 2019 15: 26
          Quote: Svarog
          So the rate of robbery is how it increased .. not surprising ..

          As some people have noted: "If earlier Putin at least tried to pretend that he was in favor of improving the welfare of citizens, then after the last re-election he went into a rage."
          1. +3
            21 October 2019 15: 31
            Quote: kjhg
            "If earlier Putin at least tried to pretend that he was for improving the welfare of citizens, then after the last re-election he went into a rag."

            This is amazing .. how sharply he turned to the electorate with an indecent place .. thanked the "believers" .. but he still has gunpowder in the flasks and something suggests that not all the "charms" have yet been realized .. there is a feeling that somewhere straight everyone was in a hurry .. as if tomorrow the end of the world and to take out as much as possible need to be in time ..
            1. +23
              21 October 2019 17: 07
              I really liked the explanation of the GDP regarding the extremely high salaries of top managers in state corporations: if they pay less, they will quit. Ahaha. Chubais quit? Then piss off.
              1. -27
                21 October 2019 17: 25
                Are you ready to personally replace Chubais? And who else? The country has an acute shortage of capable business executives .. That is why the economy is barely warm.
                1. +15
                  21 October 2019 17: 39
                  I will easily replace the nanochubais, which promised to provide schoolchildren with cheap domestic nanoplates.
                  We have more than enough capable managers who have plundered the country. But honest day with fire you will not find. In addition to Gabriel Popov, no one comes to mind.
                  1. 0
                    22 October 2019 04: 13
                    Gavriil Popov? But is he still alive? Do you mean the first Moscow mayor?
                    1. +6
                      22 October 2019 10: 35
                      Yes, it is him. He told EBN that he would not participate in this muck, and resigned as mayor of Moscow. And he went to teach. And vice-mayor Luzhkov became mayor and began to communize Moscow.
                  2. -3
                    23 October 2019 12: 05
                    Popov may have been honest, only the useless economist.
                    Luzhkov who replaced him was exactly the opposite.
                    Balance is difficult to maintain.
                2. NKT
                  +4
                  21 October 2019 18: 14
                  There is an acute shortage of capable business executives in the country

                  We have no shortage, it is only upstairs.
                  1. +8
                    21 October 2019 22: 22
                    Lies, the shortage of qualified managers is large, and it is the middle management, right now if you remove your "relatives", then there will be a lot of vacancies, Mom, do not worry.
                    1. NKT
                      -4
                      22 October 2019 13: 07
                      The deficit is artificial. Describe to me how you see a portrait of a modern, skilled middle manager.
                      1. 0
                        22 October 2019 16: 59
                        Do the next year.
                      2. NKT
                        -1
                        22 October 2019 17: 18
                        Thank you, of course, for the offer, but my technical specialty is quite fine with me
                3. +2
                  22 October 2019 04: 11
                  Come on, deficit .... Deficit is people close to the leader. Verified and connected by family ties or mutual responsibility.
                4. +2
                  26 October 2019 08: 23
                  Quote: Victor N
                  Are you personally ready to replace Chubais?

                  I'm ready! I think that the results of my leadership will not be worse than under Chubais. And I promise that as Chubais I will not sit at the post for a long time. A year is enough for me.
              2. +11
                21 October 2019 17: 37
                Weird! And why didn’t he say: ** Let them leave! On the street is the turn of those who want to their place! **? Although his answer is very eloquent and says a lot. They work there not for the welfare of the country, but for the personal. We have both officers and janitors working for a much lower salary and not quitting.
            2. 0
              22 October 2019 11: 33
              You are mistaken, he never turned to the people. This was acting, but his face ... It was not the people who elected him, but he thanked Sobchak and everyone who moved him and is still grateful.
          2. -11
            21 October 2019 16: 14
            Mom taught: "do not hang out with bad boys, do not listen to nonsense." Forgot?!
          3. +1
            27 October 2019 17: 25
            I’m waiting for years ... ,, Well, this year I’ll start BUSINESS dealing with ... Well, it can’t be, because it looks like ... ,, But no, nothing happens year after year. All the same, STABLE and confidently lead the country to disaster. And Putin ... he is such a collective image of the Russian-speaking big bourgeoisie controlling the country of Russia. If he hadn’t, there would have been Butin or Mutin. It would not be easier for you and us. Department ,, Rusland ,, TNC ,, Global Intetation ,,. Like that. ,, I twist and twist, I want to confuse you ... ,, Money from the country is pumped out REAL, and life in the country is REALLY PAID. What is present in RK (,, Russian Capitalist ,,)? Army? Here are only 8 corpses, without guilt, without war,. There was no investigation yet, but in the ,, training ,, MO of the RK, they already know what a little strange ,, behavior ,, of a soldier with the service was in no way connected. Artful (to say the least) guys around. ,, Law enforcement officers, rape a colleague, and dismiss her. .. ,, Because you can’t be so beautiful ... ,,? ,, The pedophile maniac was nervous, he didn’t like the question of the 9-year-old girl, ”assured deft, law enforcement officers, ... Defenders of Russian citizens?! It’s not enough to put on a uniform for well-fed uncles and fat little aunts and give them service weapons - from that they do not become OFFICERS and OFFICERS. What is the present in this ,, kingdom-state ,,? Education? Teachers are deliberately turned into an empty place. Profanity, bullying, alcohol, ,, light ,, drugs and ,, energy ,, sex life from the age of 14 ... ,, School years are wonderful ... ,,? Is the medicine real? The country of the Republic of Kazakhstan encourages individuals (!) to invest in the treatment of children in Russia. Do they care about the old people? The Republic of Kazakhstan cannot help in the country; what kind of CONCEPTUAL assistance to Novorossia can be? For five years, they’re pushing water in a mortar. Five years! The union during this time brought Germany and its allies to Japan and their allies ... During the five-year period, new cities were built with all the infrastructure, schools, hospitals ... Makhov, as usual, he lives in his world. Like Alice in ,, Wonderland ,,. No fantasy. Ukraine lives better than ,, middle Russia ,, (Moscow and St. Petersburg are not considered). And Novorossia ... Guys who are not, lit up in the, popular police, are going to work in Kiev. There, a taxi driver can earn more than an officer of NM LDNR (without combat). ... Security guards go to Moscow to work, families drop out of service. From a good life?
        2. +1
          21 October 2019 15: 31
          So the rate of robbery is how it increased .. not surprising ..

          The government believes that it is not enough. We decided to speed up the "pre-privatization", otherwise they suddenly won't have time. They have already reported to the IMF.
          https://topcor.ru/11556-pravitelstvo-gotovit-ambicioznyj-plan-novoj-privatizacii.html
          1. +18
            21 October 2019 16: 35
            First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, on the sidelines of the meeting of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, said that the next stage of privatization would begin in Russia.
            According to Siluanov, the government must once again compile a list of state assets in which the Russian state does not need to remain.
            The list of investments that are not determinative, are not key for our country, I mean how, maybe, oil and gas or banking sector
            - specified Siluanov.
            https://topcor.ru/11556-pravitelstvo-gotovit-ambicioznyj-plan-novoj-privatizacii.html

            Siluanov with his young henchman-promoter Oreshkin is the same "market man -MVFovets" as Kudrin.
            Siluanov, Oreshkin, Nabiulina are "kudrinyats" and the successors of the Kudrin cause in the financial block of the Russian government of Medvedev, including the Central Bank of Russia.

            Kudrin is not just a liberal "mole" of Washington in the pro-American-colonial power in the Russian Federation, but in fact he is an "agent of the US Federal Reserve with his agent network" in Russia since the Yeltsin era. Otherwise, all of them cannot be appreciated.
            1. +14
              21 October 2019 16: 53
              Tatyana, what to expect from rats on a ship? Who gnaw communications, destroy supplies and are always ready to flee when there will be nothing to profit.
            2. +2
              22 October 2019 11: 37
              Again redistribution of property! Not everyone has been looted yet. Fresh power generation also wants dough, they do not want to meet their old age with the same pension. Although they are all there secret advisers and labor veterans and order bearers naturally. Only mother will equalize the earth and turn it into compost. Here in it we will be exactly equal.
          2. +2
            21 October 2019 18: 20
            Quote: lexus
            We decided to speed up the "pre-privatization"

            That is window dressing. The sweetest pieces, a feeling that for someone they save from year to year. We will see )
            1. +2
              21 October 2019 18: 27
              The sweetest pieces, a feeling that for someone they save from year to year.

              Before "grabbing", "the hog is always fattened" at the expense of the state budget. And money is convenient to "master" and "launder". wink
              1. +2
                22 October 2019 11: 43
                This is an endless process, the elite, she wants to eat! So they privatize, deprivatize. What is called a crop rotation of the forage base for the elite.
                Then they will cry, everything is there, only eternal life for themselves they cannot arrange, ghouls.
        3. +6
          21 October 2019 19: 47
          More coming soon. The government is approving a new plan for the next stage of privatization. Some strategic enterprises, for example, OZK, will go under the hammer. There is no desire even to comment. Robbery of the country.
        4. 0
          26 October 2019 06: 23
          You shouldn’t be so ....) They are just successful managers, and the rest do not want to work normally.)
        5. +2
          27 October 2019 22: 12
          Quote: Svarog

          So the rate of robbery is how it increased .. not surprising ..


          Would you esteem as billionaires think
          This is not income, this is not property in the form of all sorts of palaces
          This is the share price of the property. Which grows when the economy grows. And falls wildly with her.
          When the economy fell after 13 years, their number also fell. 30 people fell.
          And in the 90s in Russia there were no dollar billionaires. In 2000, when the average RFP in Russia was at the level of countries like China - Russia also did not have dollar billionaires
      2. +11
        21 October 2019 15: 42
        A person who has 65 million rubles can be safely considered a dollar millionaire at the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation ..... in Moscow at a market price a lot of apartments cost so much and people live in them, it can even be old apartments, inherited .. so they are millionaires .. their list takes into account?
        Is it possible to honestly earn a million dollars now? What do you think?
        1. +6
          21 October 2019 16: 22
          A person who has 65 million rubles can be safely considered a dollar millionaire at the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation ..... in Moscow at a market price a lot of apartments cost so much and people live in them, it can even be old apartments, inherited .. so they are millionaires .. their list takes into account?

          Think "right". wink "Golikova's department" has already taken care of the "correct count" of the "poor" and the "poor" - according to the same principle, what kind of "poor" or "needy" is, if he lives in an apartment in the "center" costing, for example, - 10 RUB 000000? Let him sell it and move to another city, or "to the outskirts" to an apartment worth, for example, 3 rubles, and he will have 000000 more! and he is no longer poor, but a "rich" man! So, if you count, according to this principle, then just half of those who are now considered "poor" will automatically move to the lists of "well-to-do" and voila! - "With a flick of the hand" - the president's program to reduce the "poor" in Russia into 7 times done "! - straight" without getting up from the couch ... Yes
          1. +5
            21 October 2019 16: 25
            If it’s without sarcasm, and what is the methodology of these ratings of rich people? All this is crafty, it would be better to honestly calculate how many really poor people whose lives do not depend directly on courses and other ratings ...
          2. +2
            21 October 2019 16: 36
            Duc in the US GDP is considered to be .. And nothing is normal, all the financial institutions of the world are happy ..
        2. -4
          22 October 2019 10: 52
          In a few years, making money is quite real.
      3. +3
        21 October 2019 18: 15
        Quote: kjhg
        For them, there’s a good Ukraine, there is someone to compare with.

        They live well where we are not.
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      4. 0
        21 October 2019 22: 09
        and if you add here the owners of apartments, in which the cache is stored in tons, then we finally shut up our overseas bourgeoisie
        1. +3
          21 October 2019 22: 15
          Quote: protoss
          and if you add here the owners of apartments, in which the cache is stored in tons, then we finally shut up our overseas bourgeoisie

          It is what it is. Only I would not say that this is a reason for pride. Rather, it is a shame on our current living arrangements.
      5. -1
        22 October 2019 10: 16
        Quote: kjhg
        As for the poor - the bulk of the population

        Since when is 12% of the population the majority? And another question is how many of them are in envelopes zp gets.
    3. +6
      21 October 2019 15: 20
      Quote: Svarog
      And what would happen in Ukraine if they had gas and oil?

      They have both gas and oil, there is no one to develop deposits bully
      And they produce gas in the region of 20 billion cubic meters annually.
      1. kin
        +6
        21 October 2019 21: 07
        I'm from Kazakhstan. There is oil and gas and a lot of other things, but it's like in the movie "I'm not afraid with you", remember? - this is not your tooth and not even mine ... and our prices are higher than in Novosibirsk and the choice is richer there. And food and clothing. The only thing is gasoline, and they want to raise the price for it, otherwise all the Russians will buy. So they write.
    4. -2
      21 October 2019 16: 09
      The situation in the economy is not in favor of Ukraine: LDN is in blockade. This is the author and I wanted to say .. But arrogant may not read.
      1. +6
        21 October 2019 20: 00
        Quote: Victor N
        The situation in the economy is not in favor of Ukraine: LDN is in blockade. ..
        Oh how. And who closed the ring? On the one hand, Dobrobaty and APU, of course. And on the other? Not really FSB detachments?
        1. -2
          23 October 2019 12: 08
          And you are not in the subject? Or has Russia already recognized?
          1. 0
            23 October 2019 16: 51
            Quote: Victor N
            Or has Russia already recognized?

            In the subject. Russia has not recognized, and through the efforts of the insignificants representing it, it is ready to push LDN VNA on similar conditions. But that would arrange a blockade ... Even for insignificants too.
            1. -2
              24 October 2019 07: 37
              Russia cannot supply / buy goods LDNR. And Ukraine. But there are no other neighbors.
      2. +2
        22 October 2019 04: 20
        It’s interesting that the author has been to LDNR for a long time? And I’ve been. People leave from such a life. What does anyone have relatives in Ukraine to go there? I know the case when the family went their separate ways — sons to Russia, parents to Ukraine.
    5. +4
      21 October 2019 16: 13
      This is how to compare.
      If they compare, bureaucrats and deputies ... whose families do not come out of London, then in euros and dollars in our country and in / in Ukraine everything is so cheap that itching your hands to raise prices even higher. But if you compare how much you can buy for a salary or pension (that is, in rubles or hryvnias, which the rest of the country lives on), then something and prices are several times higher than European and the feeling that we are not moving to Europe, but to Afghanistan ...
    6. +11
      21 October 2019 16: 55
      And here's another question: I was recently on a business trip in Kazakhstan. so there our gasoline "Rosneft" AI-95 costs there 27,5 in terms of rubles. I do not think that Mr. Sechin has no profit from Kazakhstan. It turns out that picking fellow citizens is much more pleasant than some Kazakhs.
      PS I have nothing against the Kazakhs.
    7. -6
      22 October 2019 02: 30
      Ukraine lives on credit. Russia - increasing gold and foreign exchange reserves.
    8. +1
      22 October 2019 08: 49
      If there were oil and gas, then Azerbaijan could be an example. Or Turkmenistan slipping into wild feudalism. And most of all in the world of oil in Venezuela, do not recall how they live there now, and how successfully Chavez ordered the time when he could row superprofits for oil?
    9. +2
      22 October 2019 08: 53
      Svarog (Vladimir)
      That's cool! We are better than living in Ukraine and our prices are cheaper .. And what would happen in Ukraine if they had gas and oil? Would the situation be in our favor in this case?
      But the point is not even that, but that it is necessary to compare with progressive countries, and not with those where it is complete ..
      With respect to Afghanistan, we are generally cool .. so the bottom is still far away .. They want to tell us this when they compare with Ukraine?

      compare two countries, the former parts of the USSR, located in close geographical and climatic conditions, at the start of which have similar levels of industrial development and scientific potential. What does Afghanistan have to do with it? Svarog, do you even have any idea to use the gray matter in your skull when writing comments?
    10. +1
      22 October 2019 18: 19
      With respect to Afghanistan, we are generally cool .. so the bottom is still far .. They want to tell us this when they compare with Ukraine? [/ Quote]
      Can you feed your wife and 5 children for a Russian salary?
    11. +1
      23 October 2019 10: 33
      Let's wait for a comparison of living standards in Finland and Russia?
  2. +8
    21 October 2019 15: 41
    In the Russian Academy of Sciences, the salary of an employee with a Ph.D. degree is 7000 rubles.
    The salary of an ordinary tax employee is 11000 rubles.
    And after that, we expect a technological breakthrough and success in the fight against corruption.
    1. +11
      21 October 2019 15: 52
      Actually, they say in Ukraine, the minimum wage is $ 171
      I found such on the internet, here, the data on the minimum wages in Latin America and in Russia (I don’t know how true they are):
      Costa Rica - $ 438
      Chile - $ 418
      Uruguay - $ 415
      Ecuador - $ 386
      Guatemala - $ 356
      Paraguay - $ 355
      Panama - $ 318
      Bolivia - $ 300
      Argentina - $ 295
      Peru - $ 278
      Honduras - $ 252
      Colombia - $ 245
      Brazil - $ 244
      Russia - $ 166
      https://subscribe.ru/group/rossiya-today/15440893/
      Well, it is clear that in Ukraine they "jumped" (and galloped) .... but for what, then, if the numbers given in the list are correct, in the early 90s they "jumped" in Russia? Moreover, some even now - "jump" and "drown" for ""? .... winked
      1. 0
        21 October 2019 18: 35
        Quote: Monster_Fat

        https://subscribe.ru/group/rossiya-today/15440893/

        Source: Alena Popova laughing
        Infa for clinically gullible people, seasoned with a gag from the author about sn in Ukraine.
        1. +1
          21 October 2019 21: 06
          I don’t know how in Peru or Bolivia, but in Ukraine the official minimum wage is 4173 hryvnias.
          The hryvnia today is 24.9 per dollar.
          That is 168 US dollars.
        2. -3
          21 October 2019 22: 28
          I agree - the source is "dumb" and "not trustworthy" - some "Alena Popova" - "phi" only the "truth" .... Yes
      2. +2
        21 October 2019 18: 58
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Moreover, some even now - "jump" and "drown" for ""?

        Nice for our ear when strangers "jump".
      3. -3
        22 October 2019 08: 52
        Have you considered that the dollar is more than double now? However, if you think that living in Ecuador is better than ours ... Well, try a trip. Interestingly, Brazil on this list is the only highly developed country in Latin America that even makes airplanes, and it obviously lives better than any of its smaller neighbors.
    2. +6
      21 October 2019 16: 41
      Lies and the Academy of Sciences and the tax. Minus for misleading people. My wife works in tax. Simple inspector. 32000 r s / n At the university, a friend teaches, a member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences. For from 80000
      1. +2
        21 October 2019 17: 17
        Information directly from employees.
        I myself work in a different field.
        Well, a university professor, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, is not an employee of the academy.
        I will not put a minus to you.
        1. -4
          21 October 2019 17: 53
          Here is the "how much" scientists receive, and not only in different places:
          http://skolko-poluchaet.ru/skolko-poluchayut/skolko-poluchaet-nauchnyj-sotrudnik.html
      2. +5
        21 October 2019 18: 31
        Quote: aiden
        member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences

        Shame him, or something. Read what is RAEN - and shame.
    3. +4
      21 October 2019 18: 27
      Quote: Livonetc
      In the Russian Academy of Sciences, the salary of an employee with a Ph.D. degree is 7000 rubles

      RFP for a full rate cannot be less than the minimum, and the minimum for Moscow time is 17 mp, chtoli. So you are nonsense, please do not write. It’s bad to lie. Descredits it all.
      1. -1
        21 October 2019 18: 33
        The Academy of Sciences does not apply to MSCs.
        This is a federal office with all the consequences.
        Again.
        Information from employees directly.
        I have no reason not to trust these people.
        1. +4
          21 October 2019 20: 33
          Quote: Livonetc
          The Academy of Sciences does not apply to MSCs.

          So what? The minimum salary by law is still Moscow, and indeed there is no minimum anywhere in Russia where the minimum salary is 7 tr.
          Quote: Livonetc
          Information from employees directly.
          I have no reason not to trust these people.

          But we have an obvious reason to distrust you specifically. You are lying really stupid.
    4. -1
      21 October 2019 19: 24
      Quote: Livonetc
      In the Russian Academy of Sciences, the salary of an employee with a Ph.D. degree is 7000 rubles.


      You probably do not know, but in Russia the salary cannot be less than 11 rubles. , and in Moscow, where the RAS is located, can not be less than 200 18 p. Why are you telling fairy tales to the people?
      1. -5
        21 October 2019 19: 43
        You are already the third indignant.
        The wife of my colleague.
        Salary of 7 thousand.
        PhD.
        In the tax 11 thousand information from a friend for a period two years ago.
        Well, to the heap that would already bring all the impressionable and principled to the affect.
        This friend works in tax.
        Pays 400 thousand rubles for a mortgage. per month.
        For sim, allow me to leave dear fellow citizens. hi
        1. +2
          21 October 2019 19: 49
          Quote: Livonetc
          The wife of my colleague.
          Salary of 7 thousand.


          It is simply not possible. Only for work at a fraction of the bet Get on the forums of scientists. In 2019, the task was set to bring zp scientists up to 200% of the average for the region. And it will be executed, do not hesitate.
          For publications and citation indexes, copayments are quite good (50 to 100 thousand each).
        2. +4
          21 October 2019 20: 38
          Quote: Livonetc
          Salary of 7 thousand.

          You claimed that the salary is 7t.r.? Now the salary)).
          Salary can be anything, allowances, etc. it is brought to a minimum to a minimum - and it turns out that on hand, less than a minimum at a full rate does not work. You deliberately tried to mislead people by disseminating knowingly false information - you must be punished for this.
        3. xax
          +2
          21 October 2019 20: 53
          Quote: Livonetc
          Salary of 7 thousand

          The salary is approved by the staffing table, and if the staffing was written 20 years ago, then the salaries in it will be appropriate. But with an increase in the minimum wage, the amount of the salary is brought to the minimum wage (minimum) by any allowances, etc., because the minimum wage is the law, and the staffing is an internal piece of paper of the organization.
          Do not mislead people.
        4. Ren
          +1
          22 October 2019 06: 25
          Quote: Livonetc
          You are already the third indignant.
          The wife of my colleague.
          Salary of 7 thousand.
          PhD.
          In the tax 11 thousand information from a friend for a period two years ago.
          Well, to the heap that would already bring all the impressionable and principled to the affect.
          This friend works in tax.
          Pays 400 thousand rubles for a mortgage. per month.
          For sim, allow me to leave dear fellow citizens.

          Salaries in thousands, but you do not specify what - usd, euro? laughing
          Mortgage - 400 thousand rubles per month, i.e. 4 rubles / year with a salary of 800 * 000 = 11 cu / year. belay
          If cu = rubles, then your friend in the tax office is a terrible thief and a bribe taker am (no more grandmother to get from where), working in tax at 0,25 / 0,5 rate.
          If cu = usd (let's take roughly 65 rubles at the conversion rate), it turns out 132 * 000 = 65 rubles / year, which is more or less like the truth (mortgage payments turned out to be about 8% of the income).
          The bank will not give you a loan if the volume of payments to the bank is more than 50% of a person’s income. hi
          1. 0
            22 October 2019 18: 26
            Quote: Ren
            The bank will not give you a loan if the volume of payments to the bank is more than 50% of a person’s income.

            If you have already paid half your apartment at Sberbank, you seem to be given a mortgage without confirmation of your earnings.
        5. 0
          22 October 2019 08: 58
          The wife of my colleague.

          This friend works in tax.

          In short, everything is clear with the sources of information. The level of "BBS" (grandma said to grandma)
      2. 0
        21 October 2019 21: 07
        This is done simply. Transfer to a partial bid.
    5. +3
      21 October 2019 19: 59
      What is it like? Minimum wage only 11 TR
      1. +2
        21 October 2019 20: 39
        Yes, he lies without a hitch. As it turns out - it's about a bare salary, and not about the final salary.
    6. 0
      21 October 2019 21: 31
      I don’t know where you got the candidate’s salary, but the first-year student scholarship of the Novosibirsk University, who passed the Unified State Examination for good points and excelled in 21000 rubles in olympiads. (see the official website of the uni)
    7. 0
      22 October 2019 10: 58
      You pour it to the grandmothers on the bench - 7000 rubles salary at the RAS.
  3. +6
    21 October 2019 15: 46
    No, do not starve! But the choice between eating either good, high-quality, or acquiring things necessary for a normal life, above the average price group, is acute, even among the average hard worker!
    Extremes are not even worth considering. There could be anything.
    Yes, by the way, PAIN, for example, is VERY CONTRAINDICATED, for financial reasons.
    1. -3
      21 October 2019 15: 59
      No, do not starve!

      Why, you forgot (missed) - "and a bunch of cars at the entrances, on the roads from personal vehicles you can't push through" ..... Yes
      1. 0
        21 October 2019 16: 09
        But is that not true?
      2. -13
        21 October 2019 16: 10
        What kind of cars? These are illusions, hungry hallucinations. Coupons for hedgehogs can not be bought, before cars?
      3. +4
        21 October 2019 16: 45
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Well, you forgot (missed) -

        What to compare with? In the meantime, when there were just a few cars?
        By the way, do not push through the fact that the infrastructure was not designed for so many cars.
        Another thing that people have reached the previously limited, loans and a lot of auto junk, is that come true dreams come on E-ta!
    2. 0
      21 October 2019 16: 20
      Yes, by the way, PAIN, for example, is VERY CONTRAINDICATED, for financial reasons.

      That's right. At the hospital, the appointment begins with determining the patient's solvency.

      M / f "The Adventures of Funtik Pig"
      1. +2
        21 October 2019 16: 52
        Quote: lexus
        In the hospital, the appointment begins with determining the patient's solvency

        There is, of course, free medicine, but it is also not so simple there ... besides, what are we treating with? By the fact that it’s cheap or because ... the doctor has appointed! And it can be very expensive.
        It is difficult to say for sure whether we are being treated or money, in paid medical institutions they are pulled, pulled.
        There is no single answer, because there are both.
    3. -5
      21 October 2019 16: 20
      Yes, you can feed a cat with duck and spirulina only every other day. Not enough for an iPhone - at least go to hairdressers!
      1. +3
        21 October 2019 16: 56
        Quote: Victor N
        Yes, you can feed a cat with duck and spirulina only every other day. Not enough for an iPhone - at least go to hairdressers!

        But where did you see all this? In the center cities? So this is not the whole country.
        In many regions, people live a lot more frugally, they are forced ... youngsters can still jump, look for where it is "sweeter", and older people live on finances, the majority.
        1. -9
          21 October 2019 17: 42
          Of course, revenues vary widely. But: the volume of television advertising indicates a very high demand. Consequently, poverty is far from being as widespread as some argue: hungry will not buy expensive food for cats and dogs.
          1. +5
            21 October 2019 18: 56
            Quote: Victor N
            Consequently, poverty is far from being as widespread as some argue

            Therefore, you must either see for yourself how people live, away from capitals, or look for TRUE statistics ... but this is generally difficult, if possible at all.
            Quote: Victor N
            hungry will not buy expensive food for cats and dogs

            About expensive food, these are fairy tales, I SEE every time I get BONS, SCRUBS, for dogs, like the same grandmothers, they buy almost the same thing, for myself and for my cat, dog, it's a fact ......
            They, too, do not starve to death, but eat MAKOROSHKI, Krupy and pick fruits from a box that I will not even look at!
            That's how it is in our province!
            By the way, we have a quite working, not backward region.
            Not an oilman, of course, but there is also work to do. Not for the great soldiers, if you are not the boss, but you can live, but do not flaunt and feed the cat a turkey.
            The country is large, just enough of it.
            1. 0
              22 October 2019 10: 48
              How sick of you with your hypocritical condolences to the old women !!
              - I'm writing a menu for the New Year. (we meet together with a friend). A friend looked: "Do you remember last New Year? Cross out half - we will not eat the rest"
              - I love "dead" bananas and frozen persimmons. And you don't need to sympathize with me - I SO love!
              - I do not buy cucumbers and tomatoes in winter - they are "glass". I don't buy sausage at all - I buy meat at a familiar farm store.
              - I buy sweets no more than 200 grams (sympathize with the poor old woman!) Because how much I buy - I eat so much in one day and it’s not by age.
              - I order food for my dog ​​on the Internet at once 15 kg bag. The boy brings and puts in the specified place - very convenient.
              I am satisfied with everything? Including the size of your pension? Of course not. Only the dead are satisfied with everything. I have a lot of unrealized plans, but standing on the porch with outstretched hands and complaints of supposedly poverty is not included in them.
              1. +1
                22 October 2019 10: 54
                Quote: Tatiana Pershina
                How sick of you with your hypocritical condolences to the old women !!

                I wish you also not to be ill.
    4. +2
      21 October 2019 19: 05
      Quote: rocket757
      No, do not starve! But the choice between the fact that either eat well, with high quality, or acquire things necessary for a normal life,

      The main thing is to put the children on their feet, to have their own, although a small angle, and tolerably well, without frills, and the rest is already, as God sends.
      1. 0
        21 October 2019 19: 19
        Quote: tihonmarine
        and the rest is as God sends

        Hope for God, but you yourself must work hard, otherwise God will not help, will not send.
        1. +1
          21 October 2019 19: 41
          Quote: rocket757
          Hope for God, but you yourself must work hard

          We will try to the best of our ability and salary.
  4. +4
    21 October 2019 16: 03
    Compare two poverty. And they themselves do not live, and do not give others.
  5. +2
    21 October 2019 16: 08
    The average salary in the DPR according to official figures is 11,5 thousand rubles. Minimum - 4 813 rubles. In Ukraine, the minimum wage is significantly higher and amounts to 4173 hryvnia. As for the average wage, there are certain discrepancies. If you believe official Kiev, then it reached 10,1 thousand hryvnias, but this figure seems somewhat overestimated. Probably, it is relevant for large cities (Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, etc.). As for the periphery, they call a much smaller figure - 6200-6500 hryvnia.

    Here is a flick of the author’s keyboard
    1. +2
      21 October 2019 22: 00
      Quote: Avior
      Here is a flick of the author’s keyboard

      if only he lied about this (well, he didn’t lie - he “forgot” about the rate 2.5. Well, the magic of numbers, she charms. The salary is the same in rubles and hryvnias. And the rate is well ... But housing and communal services are more expensive. from the official salary, but in ORDILO no one is lying, considering the average salary.
      Donetsk region, by the way, is the highest paid region (namely the region not counting Mr. KIEV) in Ukraine! those 2/3 that are not ORDILO. But Donetsk is not there. That's what Machov needed to compare.
      Honestly, I want to point out the whole lie of the author .. But this is an obvious lie at the prices.
      A comparison of the RFP did not translate at all. And there is 3 times the difference.
      And the conclusion, of course, is simple ORDILO is booming, Ukraine is rotting. See our life is better.
      Damn --- where are the columns of refugees in ORDILO ?????
      They give a passport of the Russian Federation, ZP Makhov says more! Food, Makhov writes - cheaper !!!!
      Housing and communal services thanks to the Russian Federation (and the fact that ORDILO does not pay a dime to Ukrainian suppliers) is low.
      Author - show us a video of the border - a bunch of Ukrainians are being stormed there with requests to provide them with ORDILO all of which you write!
      In reality, everything is good, why did everyone run to the same Ukraine and the Russian Federation, where everything is more expensive and worse.
      And macaroni for 80 rubles is 32 UAH .. Italian probably. Today I just saw whole grains and Pasta Zara is just standing .. I'm glad that Italian macaroni are so cheap in ORDILO .. Because I don’t like ours for 12 UAH kg (36 rubles). I like spaghetti for 18 UAH (900 gr) - something about 45 rubles
      chicken in ORDILO is probably food for the poor .. the rest eat at least veal.
      I buy it at 52 UAH kg (130 rubles) the carcass is ready, but here it’s generally cheaper.
      In general, I am happy for ORDILO. But the question remains - why do people flee from paradise?
      1. +2
        23 October 2019 12: 17
        Because the war. You would also have escaped from Kiev if the "Russian occupants" had been shelling the city for so many years.
  6. +1
    21 October 2019 16: 24
    To measure prices is a thankless task. Anyone in Russia and Ukraine will say that "they" have lower prices and better products. The question is different. There is a deep systemic crisis on the territory of the formerly most economically developed republic of the Soviet Union - Ukraine. However, instead of fighting for better living conditions, lower prices, higher wages, an empty idea of ​​"war with Russia" was imposed, and history was replaced by historical myths and fairy tales.
    1. +2
      21 October 2019 16: 57
      Since the beginning of 2016, over three years, salaries in Ukraine and the average and minimum have grown by two and a half, three times, with a stable hryvnia exchange rate. The average increased from 4500 in hryvnias to 10000 at the beginning of 2019.

      Inflation, however, has also grown, but there is still a constant and noticeable increase in real wages.
      1. -1
        21 October 2019 19: 52
        Quote: Avior
        Since the beginning of 2016, over three years, salaries in Ukraine and the average and minimum have grown by two and a half, three times, with a stable hryvnia exchange rate. The average increased from 4500 in hryvnias to 10000 at the beginning of 2019.

        Inflation, however, has also grown, but there is still a constant and noticeable increase in real wages.

        In 2009 he was in Kharkov. According to the then Governor ( wink ), the salary on the Kharkov tank was 200 dollars (and that, I suppose, was embellished).
        10 thousand hryvnia, now at the rate - 250 dollars.
        An increase of 50 dollars, in ten years - progress "on the face".
        Although, if you take me personally, then in 2009, the salary is about $ 800.
        - In 2019 - about 650 (defense industry, Moscow.).
        - Also, "progress on the face".
        1. +3
          21 October 2019 20: 02
          Ukraine’s average 10000 hryvnias, a little more in fact, is $ 400, approximately 26 rubles.
          Kharkov region is not the highest paid, and certainly it is far from Moscow.
          There was a big salary failure in 2015 due to the depreciation of the hryvnia, since 2016 the hryvnia has been stable and salaries have been growing steadily.
          This is the Ukrainian Ministry of Finance, there is a table and a graph
          https://index.minfin.com.ua/labour/salary/average/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0/
          1. +1
            21 October 2019 20: 21
            Quote: Avior
            Ukraine’s average 10000 hryvnias, a little more in fact, is $ 400, approximately 26 rubles.

            hi Sorry. Blunt with "arichmetics".
        2. +2
          21 October 2019 20: 09
          There, on the site, I looked at the average salary in Kiev.
          The latest data is August 2019, the salary is 15694 hryvnias.
          This is 40 thousand rubles, or about 630 dollars.
        3. 0
          23 October 2019 12: 19
          Are you buying products in dollars?
          Our currency is so fucking stable, but prices are rising and rising.
          1. 0
            23 October 2019 16: 47
            Quote: mister-red
            Are you buying products in dollars?
            Our currency is so fucking stable, but prices are rising and rising.

            Products are not. I take domestic, for rubles.
            But manufactured goods, still mainly imports - so their ruble price depends on the dollar.
    2. -4
      21 October 2019 17: 00
      once the most economically developed republic of the Soviet Union - Ukraine.

      The most economically developed republics of the USSR were the RSFSR and the BSSR. Only they produced more than they consumed, all the other republics were subsidized.
    3. 0
      21 October 2019 19: 12
      Quote: 1536
      However, instead of fighting for better living conditions, lower prices, higher wages, an empty idea of ​​"war with Russia" was imposed

      The formula is the same "There is no external enemy, look for an internal one."
  7. +9
    21 October 2019 16: 32
    The author is strong.
    Here is a flick of the keyboard
    The average salary in the DPR according to official figures is 11,5 thousand rubles. Minimum - 4 813 rubles. In Ukraine, the minimum wage is significantly higher and amounts to 4173 hryvnia. As for the average wage, there are certain discrepancies. If you believe official Kiev, then it reached 10,1 thousand hryvnias, but this figure seems somewhat overestimated. Probably, it is relevant for large cities (Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, etc.). As for the periphery, they call a much smaller figure - 6200-6500 hryvnia.

    First, the salary in the DPR from 6-7 thousand rubles, which he himself wrote about more than once, turns into 11,5 thousand, and the average salary in the Donetsk region near Ukraine, which is 12 thousand hryvnia, that is, 30 700 rubles today rate, and with which it is just logical to compare the salary in the DPR, in fact, this is one region, suddenly jumps to the average in Ukraine, and which the author forgets to translate into rubles and turns it into 6200 hryvnias with the justification "probably" - this is a very strong justification.
    Why did the author have to do so, yes, because in the Donetsk region near Ukraine there are no large cities of the Donetsk level, the main part is rural areas, and the invention of the meaning of salaries does not work.
    And even so, the average salary in the Donetsk region is 5 times higher than the DPR.
    But a few years ago, it was Donetsk that was the record holder for salaries in Ukraine and went right after Kiev.
    Honestly, the remaining figures on housing and communal services in Ukraine are the fruit of frank inventions, it was only recently discussed here in detail, the real price for three rubles is two thousand hryvnias in the heating season and 600-700 not in the heating season, that is, 5 months a year up to 5200 rubles, and 7 months - 2000 rubles.
    Why this frank writing, perfectly in the DPR know what prices and patches are in Ukraine. And which in the DNI is also no secret.
    And instead of doing something, it's easier to compose fables that no one believes in
    1. +4
      21 October 2019 16: 47
      Why don't they believe in how "bad in Ukraine" and how. Look, what a "chorus" in the Russian media every day "blows" for: "Look how bad it is in Ukraine", "Look at how funny, stupid these Ukrainians are", etc. This is done in order to maintain the unclouded faith of the Russian people in "long-playing" HPP in Ukraine and everything else, that "Russia has already risen from its knees" and Ukraine was driven into debt and ruin, that "all those who are better with Russia" and so on ... And in the "return" - "want it to be like in Ukraine"? look - there are "clowns" in power and crooks in business, robbing their own people ", and in Russia -" there are no oligarchs, but there are socially responsible entrepreneurs "and the government, who is pleased with the popularly elected" president ", denounced by the full confidence of the people, with sky-high rating "... and so on and so forth. It is simpler, much easier, instead of raising the welfare of its citizens, to tighten the screws for them and at the same time constantly poke at a neighbor, pick his difficulties with a stick and say, look, why are you crying and whining? out, the neighbor's got worse! Only here ... the neighbor's is just not nearly as bad as they are trying to suggest.
      1. +1
        21 October 2019 19: 15
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Look, what a "chorus" in the Russian media every day "blows" for: "look how bad it is in Ukraine", "look at how funny, stupid these Ukrainians are"

        Well, that’s the media, they’ll shout that it’s bad for us, and for whom it’s good?
      2. 0
        23 October 2019 12: 22
        You will not believe it - I am from Moldova and I know 100% that you have become much worse than even ours. Do not compare yourself with Russia, probably have not been there for a long time. I was literally a couple of weeks ago, and not only in Moscow.
  8. +2
    21 October 2019 16: 38
    . The results were approximately the same, which is not surprising, since the prices for food in Novorossia are not too different from the Russian ones, although the products themselves are much better in taste, as they are more natural.
    Bullied with these stories about delicious and healthy! In the Russian Federation, all sanitary standards are much tougher, no fairy tales, tired of ..
    1. +2
      21 October 2019 19: 18
      Quote: max702
      In the Russian Federation, all sanitary standards are much tougher, no fairy tales, tired of it.

      In Russia, there are still normal products, you just have not seen bad ones.
    2. +1
      22 October 2019 08: 40
      And where does the sanitary standards? From the point of view of sanitation, soy protein is much better than meat, for example! )))
  9. +6
    21 October 2019 16: 40
    interestingly, the author of the price where he took in Ukraine? I honestly did not see such prices, especially pasta, eggs, milk, buckwheat, etc. maybe it’s somewhere in some food boutiques?
    1. +13
      21 October 2019 17: 18
      I look at the prices in the article. Then in Kiev (the site of the Metro supermarket). Then I remember the prices in Gorlovka. Then I ask the question why Yegor hangs noodles on our ears, it's easy to check everything. Does he consider us here as stupid people? This is not good.
    2. 0
      21 October 2019 22: 06
      Quote: Glum
      maybe it's somewhere in some food boutiques?

      we have Food boutiques - where organic is sold.
      And there are elite supermarkets (such as our Santima) to quite find the price.
      No one will be offended if you give more.
      Makhov probably wrote prices from Santim to Sabansky. There the quality is high, but the prices are simply unrealistic.
  10. -2
    21 October 2019 16: 47
    Nahai be girsche, but inshe!
    Free translation: Let it be worse, but in a different way.
  11. -5
    21 October 2019 16: 49
    The difference between Ukraine and Novorossia is that Ukraine has no future, but Novorossia has !!!

    Kiev again turned away from the rest of Russia, they forgot 1240 in Ukraine. They want to sit out again, they think their danger will not be affected.

    The history of the deuce does not set, it severely punishes those who forgot her lessons!
    1. +4
      21 October 2019 19: 24
      Novorosia may have a future, but tell me about the future of a 15-year-old resident of LDNR. Where he will receive a passport, where to go with this passport to study, where and by whom to work later. How to buy a car for sale, how to get a driver’s license.
      1. -11
        21 October 2019 19: 27
        He will receive a Russian passport and forth.
        1. +4
          21 October 2019 20: 16
          Then where does the new Russia?
      2. -1
        22 October 2019 13: 43
        15 year old resident of LDNR
        met such people at a train station in Belgorod, studying at Belgorod educational institutions. no problem, and they will receive a Russian passport
      3. 0
        22 October 2019 15: 55
        You can get a passport of the republics, but you can also get a Russian one and it will give no less opportunities than Ukrainian.

        You do not need freedom and the opportunity to speak your native Russian language and live in your native Russian culture to sell for imaginary bonuses that will give the passport of Bandera Ukraine.
        1. 0
          22 October 2019 17: 19
          the ability to speak native Russian

          there is already LNR patriotism, a relative went to a football match of unrecognized republics - Lugansk with Abkhazians, the LPR anthem began to play and almost all the spectators stood up, some of them sat demonstratively. Plus, relatives have a familiar family, the guy refused to play in a Russian football club, they didn’t want to take it with an LC passport, they say you’ll come with a Russian one and then .. and study in Russian, for whom it is important that he appreciated
  12. +1
    21 October 2019 17: 45
    and what, you can eat hedgehogs? they are tasty?
    you need to fuck stew from the ryatina - there are a lot of them running around)))
    1. -5
      21 October 2019 17: 59
      and what, you can eat hedgehogs? they are tasty?
      you need to fuck stew from the ryatina - there are a lot of them running around)))

      Bon Appetit. Spines from their skins can be used to make fun of guests, neighbors, work colleagues .... But actually, be careful with hedgehogs, as they are one of the most common distributors of rabies, along with foxes .....
      1. +3
        21 October 2019 18: 06
        I'm already mad, it won’t be worse
    2. -3
      21 October 2019 18: 57
      Gypsies eat, this is their national dish - baked hedgehog.
      1. 0
        21 October 2019 21: 13
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Gypsies eat, this is their national dish - baked hedgehog.

        Why was the "sleeper" thrown to a person? Corrected.
        A special traditional gypsy dish is hedgehog (fried or stewed). This is a dish of Gypsy Sinti, Polish and Baltic Gypsies,associated with long forced life in the forests during the time of the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
        / wiki /

        According to the Internet media of Belarus (albeit "liberal"), who interviewed about the life of Belarusian Roma, they admitted that the older generation that lived before (and during) WWII used hedgehogs for food.
        Now they are (practically) not consumed.
  13. +12
    21 October 2019 19: 22
    Do propagandists generally understand what they are comparing? A great country with great Putin, with the largest reserves of oil and gas and other diamonds and a feyled state, under the control of the junta, waging a war, having lost a significant part of the territory and population, subordinate to either Europe or America. And what do we see? The people turn out to live approximately the same, and all the greatness of Russia in the number of billionaires?
    1. +5
      21 October 2019 20: 15
      Quote: mikle1999
      Do propagandists generally understand what they are comparing?

      But why?
      “We are not seeking the truth, but the effect”
      Joseph Goebbels.
      1. +1
        21 October 2019 22: 08
        Quote: Karabin
        “We are not seeking the truth, but the effect”

        the main thing is efficiency! It works!
        People always know what is worse in Ukraine and discusses it every day.
        Evidence is not even needed. The effect of faith is achieved only by a picture.
    2. -3
      21 October 2019 20: 16
      The people live as they deserve.
      It was the people who brought up the dictatorship, rejoiced in its strengthening, dutifully watched how enslaving it, and many (if not most) still consider slavery and poverty as a gift of God, and “human rights” as demonic heresy without understanding why rot is needed if there is a master. In addition, the Russian Orthodox Church approves this point of view, so everyone will go to heaven.
  14. +1
    21 October 2019 22: 06
    in the summer I drove to Kremenchug to my relatives) yes everything was there, type top! I liked it. It’s already long time to forget the topic about Ukraine. Well, I’ll come to the Dnieper. My neighbors from Lugansk arrived it was really hard there.
  15. +1
    21 October 2019 22: 12
    Incidentally, this is not the first article where Makhov set out to show that Ukraine is worse than ORDILO.
    Moreover, the arguments are the same, but the numbers are already noticeably shuffled.
    Something does not work, of course. But with each article, life goes better and better in ORDILO laughing . The main thing is to skillfully submit the numbers.
    Soon we all will go there (both Ukrainians and Russians). Because there is paradise. Mach will not let lie.
    It is strange that people do not believe in paradise. Why, stupid, probably, Makhov writes that there to live and live .. and they move to Ukraine where everything is getting worse and in Russia where everything is more expensive ..
    advice to Makhov. Write better as before. Fighting your shortcomings. Blatant slogans and cheap appeals are easily verified. Trying to hang up noodles with a "better life than there" is fraught with exposure. The information age has long come.
    1. +1
      22 October 2019 13: 41
      those who wanted to leave already, nephews went to school, suddenly it was necessary to create an extra 1st grade at school, feeding is free; scourge - low salaries, my mother-in-law's pension is 4000 rubles \ 1500 UAH at a new rate, but social products and a communal apartment bring the pensioner's standard of living on par with Ukrainian.
  16. +1
    22 October 2019 08: 25
    Every year my wife goes to Vinnitsa to visit her grandmother (every year she speaks, probably the last time, my grandmother is already 93)). So she tells the exact opposite. Products are cheaper (especially meat and milk) and are much better in quality than in our supermarkets. I somehow believe her more ...
    1. -2
      22 October 2019 13: 37
      There is nothing easier than comparing prices on the Internet for popular supermarkets. But the quality is yes, the Ukrainian one is much higher, the Belgorod (?) Sausage from the meat-packing plant "DUBKI" could not eat. Milk is still powder diluted
  17. 0
    22 October 2019 13: 34
    I completely agree with the article. Potatoes in our Kharkov region are twice as expensive as in Belgorod, cottage cheese is a bit cheaper, but a little - it never happened, bread = bread in Sevastopol but three times as much as in Lugansk. Salo 120 UAH / kg i.e. 320 rubles.
    And you can't say the sacramental - "Muscovites z`ili our fat"
  18. 0
    22 October 2019 16: 50
    Call Chelyabnsk
  19. +1
    22 October 2019 21: 33
    Quote: Svarog
    That's cool! We are better than living in Ukraine and our prices are cheaper .. And what would happen in Ukraine if they had gas and oil? Would the situation be in our favor in this case?
    But the point is not even that, but that it is necessary to compare with progressive countries, and not with those where it is complete ..
    With respect to Afghanistan, we are generally cool .. so the bottom is still far away .. They want to tell us this when they compare with Ukraine?

    You need to compare CLOSE, and not with advanced ones. What is the use of comparing Russia with Monaco? Various EVERYTHING.
    Here, compare, say, continental China with Taiwan. Fair. Ukraine BEFORE Maidan with Ukraine AFTER.
    They themselves gave an example of a stupid comparison with Afghanistan
  20. +1
    23 October 2019 10: 03
    This article is a clear indicator of what lies pouring into readers' ears. Akin to Goebbels propaganda.
    But why lie about ordinary things - it is not clear.
    For prices in Ukraine are much lower than in Russia.
    I speak not by hearsay)
    So, I ate oatmeal in Mumu (Cow) in Moscow - a portion costs 165 rubles. The same portion in Puzata Hut (Kiev) cost 9 hryvnias (i.e. 25 rubles). And what for example is the price of a vodka in a supermarket in the Dnieper at 89 hryvnias? Do you find vodka with us for that kind of money?
    For the sake of interest, I took some price tags, and it can be seen from them that the prices at the Odessa sea resort (Sochi level) are much lower than in any Saratov. I can present.
    So the statement that prices in Ukraine are higher than in Russia is just as much a lie, as is the phrase that "4173 hryvnia is significantly higher than 11500 rubles."
    4173 times 2,5 (how much is the hryvnia now) how much will it be, the same 11 thousand? laughing
    So liars. And it couldn’t be otherwise, since Ukraine has lower incomes and, accordingly, prices
  21. -1
    23 October 2019 10: 57
    hmm ... an article like a litmus test ... a rare Kaklyak troll will pass by such a topic wassat
  22. +1
    27 October 2019 22: 21
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Actually, they say in Ukraine, the minimum wage is $ 171
    I found such on the internet, here, the data on the minimum wages in Latin America and in Russia (I don’t know how true they are):


    That's all lies, they have an average salary in some countries below the "minimum" (because the "minimum" is only for a select circle of professions)
  23. +1
    27 October 2019 22: 24
    Quote: Corn
    The people live as they deserve.
    It was the people who brought up the dictatorship, rejoiced in its strengthening, dutifully watched how enslaving it, and many (if not most) still consider slavery and poverty as a gift of God, and “human rights” as demonic heresy without understanding why rot is needed if there is a master. In addition, the Russian Orthodox Church approves this point of view, so everyone will go to heaven.


    Something Ukraine did not help democracy