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Lithuania asks NATO to deploy air defense systems in the country

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Lithuanian leaders had previously informed the North Atlantic Alliance that they were aware of the importance of the Baltic Air Patrol mission and NATO’s Advanced Frontline Presence program, but considered them ineffective to contain Moscow. Last week, this statement was made again during a visit by German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to the Rukla military base, where 550 German troops are stationed as part of the alliance program.




“The foundation has already been created, but we need to build something on this foundation,” said Lithuanian Minister of Defense Raimundas Karoblis on October 10 during a press conference with Kramp-Karrenbauer. “The assistance of the Allies is extremely important for us now.” Requests for NATO functionaries to deploy air defense systems in Lithuanian territory were voiced.

The Lithuanian minister also noted that the commanders of the NATO combat group in Lithuania requested ground-based air defense systems in order to be able to defend their units.

Kramp-Karrenbauer assured her Lithuanian counterpart that Berlin remains committed to existing missions. However, any decisions on their expansion or strengthening should be decided within the framework of the entire alliance. Reforming the air patrol mission “could be” one of the future steps.

Lithuanians themselves believe that the difference between the current state of the mission and its hypothetical future lies not only in terms.

“At present, the NATO air patrol mission is a peacetime mission,” a spokeswoman for the Lithuanian Defense Ministry told Defense News. “It is necessary to create appropriate mechanisms to turn it into an air defense mission in the event of a crisis.” In her opinion, if we begin such preparation right now, "NATO’s constraining capabilities in the region will increase significantly."

However, when it comes to ground-based air defense systems, the European countries of NATO begin to feel insecure. “We have nothing to place in the Baltic countries,” says retired Lieutenant General Heinrich Braus. Previously, he was involved in planning at the NATO office, and is now an analyst at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin.

Even our existing battle groups are not fully staffed.

This is a logical consequence of the fact that for the last 20 years ground-based air defense systems have been an expense item that was cut down in the first place. Conflicts in Kosovo and Afghanistan did not pose a threat to Europe from the air, says Braus. Only now investments in this sphere are starting to grow gradually, including in Germany, as NATO countries are taking measures in connection with the INF Treaty’s rupture.

The multi-year agreement between the United States and Russia ceased to exist in the summer, after the parties accused each other of non-compliance. The treaty prohibited the deployment of medium-range missiles in Europe, and this, in turn, freed the Europeans from the need to create their own air defense shield.

After Lithuania, the German Minister of Defense went to Latvia, where the issue of strengthening the coastal defense of the region was also raised. “We consider the important problem not only to patrol airspace, but also air defense and the protection of our shores,” said Latvian Minister of Defense Artis Pabriks. He also noted that Latvia’s security depends on whether the alliance looks united in the eyes of Russian leaders. “This would avoid an armed conflict in the Baltic countries,” said Pabriks.
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  1. Agronom
    Agronom 15 October 2019 18: 09
    +10
    Balts, you do not mind your population? Why don't you live in peace? What are you doing then from your anger ..
    Or are you hoping for looting in a future conflict again?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 15 October 2019 18: 33
      +5
      Lithuania asks NATO to deploy air defense systems in the country

      This is the only reason why Lithuania and the Baltic states are needed by Europe and the USA .. to deploy air defense or offensive weapons ..
      Quote: Agronom
      Balts, you do not mind your population? Why don't you live in peace?

      They are not sorry, especially since according to statistics, there will be no population in twenty years from now .. well, although Arabs can be brought in ..
      1. Agronom
        Agronom 15 October 2019 19: 03
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        They are not sorry, especially since according to statistics, there will be no population in twenty years from now .. well, although Arabs can be brought in ..

        At the expense of migrants, they can easily do this .. So you have to be tolerant, accept for treatment "great warriors against bearded shuravi for treatment" hehe .. And in fact they will. negative
        I feel the genes will be so on the outskirts as well ..
        And then forgive Christ for the sake of .. soldier

        The impulse of the Russian soul "with a curse sealed" can no longer be contained by NOBODY! soldier
        1. krot
          krot 16 October 2019 07: 11
          0
          The striped ones will be supplied with "Patriots" and "Aegis", which the Saudis have)) Excellent and well-proven technique! )))
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 16 October 2019 17: 57
            0
            What are you saying?
            Yes, if that happens, the Americans will forever lose the "Best Gunsmith" brand.
    2. Stils
      Stils 15 October 2019 21: 27
      -5
      Air defense weapons of defense, so it’s quite suitable, what's wrong with that? A little bit of protection against raids. What is evil in this? Is there air defense in the Kaliningrad Oblast, right? and powerful, but why can’t the Baltic states?
      Quote: Agronom
      Balts, you do not mind your population? Why don't you live in peace? What are you doing then from your anger ..
      Or are you hoping for looting in a future conflict again?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 October 2019 22: 29
        +3
        Quote: Stils
        Air defense weapons of defense, so it’s quite suitable, what's wrong with that? A little bit of protection against raids. What is evil in this?

        Yes, it’s nothing evil, but who will raid them? Where we stood, we stand there. We have enough of our land. Once we have already rebuilt the industry for them, and for the second time let them not hope
        Quote: Stils
        Is there air defense in the Kaliningrad Oblast, right? and powerful
        Well, after all, it was not we Kaliningrad that pulled NATO towards the borders, but NATO came close to our borders, and therefore we are strengthening. Especially here the other day one of NATO nonsense quite openly talked about what NATO forces would be able to break into the defense of Kaliningrad. Therefore, it is not in vain that we are strengthening ourselves.
        Quote: Stils
        why can not the Baltic states?
        Because these do not muddy the Balts, but muddy mattresses through the Balts. If the United States proactively installs its air defense systems there, this is fraught with aggravation between the United States and the Russian Federation, and the topic of placing similar weapons in Cuba or Venezuela becomes more than relevant and promising, and here the Balts seem to be "afraid" of all claims to the Balts. At one time, at one of the briefings, when asked by journalists about the possible deployment of Russian military bases in Cuba and Vietnam, the GDP answered - "Why? Who do we need anyway," but everything changes and the appearance of the Russian Federation in these countries, although does not pose a serious threat to the United States, it will be a strong annoying factor.
        1. Stils
          Stils 15 October 2019 22: 45
          -6
          I agree with you, you wrote a lot and everything is correct. But forgive me, purely legally no one violated anything and does not violate. Do you probably understand what oral promises are? The Baltic states have the right to deploy air defense, as well as Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s post there, if we are allowed to, let's compete who is bigger and better to place, and here the benefit will be, alas, not in our favor, and if there is enough money.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 15 October 2019 23: 03
            +1
            Quote: Stils
            The Baltic states have such a right to deploy air defense
            But who argues, of course. Only if these systems, through tricky manipulations, cannot be converted into drums.
            Quote: Stils
            let's compete who is bigger and better to place, and then the benefit will be, alas, not in our favor, and then if there is enough money.

            The issue of money is certainly far from the last in this matter, but the matter is not only in the number of deployed systems, but also in their very arrangement and the effectiveness of their application. The territory of Russia allows you to place air defense systems and strike systems inland, and you yourself know the territory 1/6 of the land, while the delivered systems in Europe neither deep nor wide, and therefore they are more vulnerable, and already on initial stage of hostilities.
            1. Stils
              Stils 15 October 2019 23: 15
              -7
              Nobody has canceled the cunning manipulations; for that they are cunning; to find fault with this is legally very difficult.
              The NATO's air defense component in the Baltic, North and Norwegian seas has not been canceled by anyone, and it can be increased by an order of magnitude, including with the help of KUG and AUG. As for missile defense, the same calibers are capable of firing carrier-based aircraft with conventional aircraft guns
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              2. hydrox
                hydrox 16 October 2019 18: 39
                0
                What a storyteller you are - just lovely!
                Quote: Stils
                NATO's maritime defense component in the Baltic,

                Forget about the marine component of air defense in the Baltic Sea once and for all: it exists only until that moment. until it was ordered to suppress it. Of course, all land launchers of the Patriot type are also subject to immediate destruction, including PSUs with small-caliber nuclear warheads.
                The trick is that you alone in the entire VO do not know that Patriot launchers can be used to launch strike weapons, therefore they will be destroyed WITHOUT saving ammunition, using high-precision power supplies and taking into account the losses of the local population.
                But AUG in the Baltic is allowed to be presented only to patients with a well-known room. laughing
      2. serg v stock
        serg v stock 15 October 2019 23: 52
        0
        You are talking about the legal aspect, but there is a monetary aspect - Lithuania cannot be closed by one patriot, you need 5-6 pieces. On the ground, complexes need to be defended. A set of personnel and maintenance personnel exceeds one thousand. The personnel must sleep, eat, fuck, this is infrastructure, which means a lot of money. Those Balts in this way asked for money.
        1. Stils
          Stils 16 October 2019 00: 05
          -6
          Of course. Balts asked for money, Syrians asked for money, Belarusians, etc.
          1. serg v stock
            serg v stock 16 October 2019 00: 19
            0
            Here! Only Belarusians do not ask, but demand, the Syrians provide a full-scale training ground, it is expensive in rubles and in lives. What the Balts may require or provide a damn!
            1. Stils
              Stils 16 October 2019 00: 29
              -3
              Debatable. The Balts only with their attitude towards Russia and its borders are of particular value. Small bug, but smelly. And again, in the event of war, it diverts resources, an outpost, this is obvious.
              1. serg v stock
                serg v stock 16 October 2019 00: 43
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                Are you seriously? What Makar to deliver equipment to, at least a dozen divisions. How long will it take? Where will they intrude further? Is there a road for this? And in general there are a lot of questions about the possibilities of invasion from the Baltic states. It’s easier to push Ukraine, the Japanese, in a pinch, promise a carrot to China. But in general, there will be no ground invasions, they will bring a bunch of dough and just try to buy power.
        2. greenegro
          greenegro 16 October 2019 01: 39
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          Someone will bring down patriots .. It is necessary to make special goals especially for patriots, so that at least some probability of a hit appears.
    3. Moore
      Moore 16 October 2019 05: 12
      +1
      Requests for NATO functionaries to deploy air defense systems in Lithuanian territory were voiced.

      But what, the hopes for the development of the Norwegian air defense systems have melted after the demonstration of the skills of their own hand-guns?
      Quote: Agronom
      Or are you hoping for looting in a future conflict again?

      Traveling east in the wagon train of another contender for Russian nishtyaks as a schutzman-scale battalion is a cherished dream of all the Baltic Natsiks.
    4. PROXOR
      PROXOR 16 October 2019 10: 28
      0
      The shorter the distance to the front lines, the shorter the flight time for calibers.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 16 October 2019 19: 10
        +1
        Gauges are too expensive for tribals.
        We don’t need to keep their infrastructure?
        It’s not necessary, therefore, it’s not enough to bawl over the Tornado complex and it doesn’t matter that the spread is large (make 2 volleys instead of one): where we can’t reach Kaliningrad, we work from the territory of Belarus :: the mongrels do not understand that they themselves set targets for our missiles at OWN land.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 October 2019 18: 24
    +1
    Yes, buy them an iron dome at their expense. You can place your patriot flies on the coast, you still have no other.
    1. Agronom
      Agronom 15 October 2019 19: 18
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Yes, buy them an iron dome at their expense.

      They have no accounts, for a long time .. laughing And there are few Jews there .. hi Chilly and SS legionnaires marching constantly bully
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 16 October 2019 19: 12
      0
      the Americans will not give them a Patriot, they have gotten into trouble with him at KSA, and in Lithuania their work will not be more effective (i.e. ZERO! laughing )
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 15 October 2019 18: 27
    0
    We have nothing to place in the Baltic countries

    Good excuse. They do not trust the notorious Russophobia. Just a little bit, so right now the ax is heading for Limitrofam
  4. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 15 October 2019 18: 29
    +3
    “The foundation has already been created, but we need to build something on this foundation,” said Lithuanian Minister of Defense Raimundas Karoblis

    In addition to troubles, the Balts will not increase anything on their pink buttocks.
    It's funny that they themselves understand all this, but they bend lower and lower ....
  5. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 15 October 2019 18: 31
    +2
    ... however, they are considered ineffective for containing Moscow.

    But effective - this is, please take the faithful tribaltes somewhere to Florida, let them calm down.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 October 2019 18: 52
      +4
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      please pick up faithful tribalt somewhere in Florida

      It is too close to Russia. Antarctica. And better, Mars. Only there will the Baltic feel safe.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 15 October 2019 18: 54
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        And better, Mars.

        I vote for Mars!
        1. Dmitry Zadorozhniy
          Dmitry Zadorozhniy 15 October 2019 20: 04
          +1
          Not not not, what are you? Which Mars? Only Mercury. I'm ready to chip in for Bulava delivery. Field distance, it is possible with full load. Well, or the old "Satan" by NATO qualifications to dispose of.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 15 October 2019 22: 47
            0
            Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
            I'm ready to chip in for Bulava delivery. Field distance, it is possible with full load. Well, or an old "Satan"

            I am sure. Kuzhegetovich will be against it. A counter proposal, I’m ready to spend a hard-earned ruble on the delivery of the Baltic states (not all, but stubborn) simply into orbit after the Minutmen with the Tridents. It will be better and cheaper for American comrades
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 16 October 2019 00: 48
          +1
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          vote for Mars!

          There will have to agree with Aguzarova - her patrimony. yes wassat
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 22: 18
      +1
      Hey, Mars is actually ours!
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 16 October 2019 07: 02
        0
        Quote: Quadro
        Hey, Mars is actually ours!

        So all the same - Mercury ...
        At whose expense is the dispatch?
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 October 2019 18: 32
    +1
    In her opinion, if we begin such preparation right now, "NATO’s constraining capabilities in the region will increase significantly."
    Install faster, faster Russia installs an umbrella from "Calibers", breathing will immediately become easier.
  7. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 15 October 2019 18: 32
    0
    Apparently, common sense left the population of the whole region.
  8. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 15 October 2019 18: 32
    0
    Does the alliance look uniform in the eyes of the Russian leaders. And we are working hard on this.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 October 2019 18: 33
    0
    Yes, it's all like that ... who needs to bomb them? We will break through the corridor to Kaliningrad, at the same time we will cut off the entire Tribaltic from Poland ... And with our air defense we will block the sky both over Poland and these empty creepers. Why do they need air defense?
  10. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 15 October 2019 18: 44
    +2
    NATO's air patrol mission is currently a peacetime mission

    That is, someone wants a war.
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 15 October 2019 18: 45
    +3
    Well, air defense systems will not help anyone, it’s the Baltic states. No air defense system will fulfill its task if it is within reach. Latvia has about 500 km from the border with Russia to the Baltic. Lithuania from the border to the Baltic - a maximum of 450 km. Estonia 400km. This means that when deploying systems at least in the center of the country, they will be destroyed by tactical multiple launch rocket systems. First of all, and without loss of the attacker.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 15 October 2019 19: 53
      +2
      Alexey, I thought the same thing. Everything is too miniature for them. For them, the construction of bomb shelters, just in case, is much more relevant than the deployment of air defense systems.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 15 October 2019 21: 23
        +2
        For them, the construction of bomb shelters, just in case, is much more relevant

        I agree. Capturing and checking passports is easier, when everything is on the heap and there is only one way out.
  12. Mouse
    Mouse 15 October 2019 18: 55
    0
    However, when it comes to ground-based air defense systems, the European countries of NATO begin to feel insecure. “We have nothing to place in the Baltic countries”

    Let me smoke, well, at least drag out ... or do you smoke everything yourself?
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 15 October 2019 18: 57
    -1
    Therefore, it is necessary to repeatedly strengthen the leveling system of NATO air defense in Lithuania by the garrisons of the Pskov and Kaliningrad regions.
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  15. rocket757
    rocket757 15 October 2019 19: 30
    0
    Everything is logical, first the complexes, and then the soldiers, to protect them! You look and they throw a few silverfish .... otherwise they will completely disappear when the people finally run away from this ......... or they will start throwing them to hell.
    You look at the attacks of the alliance with the Commonwealth, but Svidomo stir up. It is of course stinking dregs, but under the patronage of the big brother striped ..... it means the stink will be vigorous.
  16. askort154
    askort154 15 October 2019 19: 33
    +1
    Lithuania asks NATO to deploy air defense systems in the country

    Wait a little. Soon the SA, after Putin's visit, will buy the S-400, and will give its American "patriots" to you for free, as a donation to a beggar who incredibly loves everything American.
    1. GRF
      GRF 15 October 2019 20: 00
      +1
      incredible love must be proved by serious financial injections up to complete impoverishment!
      protection costs a lot of money because
      defenders will rip off territory from beggars for their services, but where they will then send stupid beggars, but who needs them, who remembers them ...
      free gifts will not be just for something, and this is not necessarily money.
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 October 2019 01: 42
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      American "patriots", will give you free, ... incredibly loving everything American.

      Ee no respected, no one promised for free. Only the initial set of equipment was fitted for them: it’s not cheap of course, but it’s only computers, and everything else, radars, data lines, infrastructure - it’s all for your grandmother. A set of donated equipment is one and a half times cheaper than one radar, but you need several radars per country. Question: who was the first to rush in to radar?
      Very simple and intelligible from
      Quote: GRF
      incredible love must be proved by serious financial injections ... there will be no free gifts just for something, and this is not necessarily money.
  17. Piramidon
    Piramidon 15 October 2019 20: 25
    +1
    Lithuania asks NATO to deploy air defense systems in the country

    The question is, how many Iskander and Calibers will be required for these complexes to cease to exist along with this quasi-state named Lithuania?
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 October 2019 01: 32
      +1
      At least three: the control center in estonia, in latvia and, of course, in the Lithuanian Zokniai - through it all this integrated Baltic "joy", supposedly air defense, closes in on Europe. And there, if the information stops flowing, they will simply turn on the stopwatches and start a "countdown" - how much they have left ... Destruction of survey locators at will, maybe a dozen more targets
  18. evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 October 2019 20: 28
    +1
    Here are the raw-like they first want to die, I want to)))
  19. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 15 October 2019 20: 29
    +1
    This deb ... stupid people just decided to commit suicide. In the event of a conflict, air defense will be destroyed in the first place, well, and they will be slammed at the same time.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 October 2019 01: 27
      +1
      Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      . stupid people just decided to commit suicide. In the event of a conflict, air defense will be destroyed first

      They made their choice in the fall of '96, when the Americans offered them to subscribe to the Regional Airspace Initiative, allegedly to improve the surveillance and airspace management system, and at the same time to move the detection line of Western Europe's air defense to the east. But they were warned, but a political decision was made .. the choice was made
  20. 2Albert
    2Albert 15 October 2019 22: 20
    +1
    Fuhrer, Romania entered the war, ok, send 3 divisions. But she joined the war on our side! Donnerwetter send 10 divisions to protect them! For NATO, the Baltic states turn into Anna on the neck
  21. aries2200
    aries2200 15 October 2019 23: 00
    -1
    or maybe, within the framework of good neighborliness, cast-iron pots at the uralmash plant in Yekaterinburg for the entire population of Lithuania and give them .. for their inner peace ?! wink fellow
  22. Military77
    Military77 15 October 2019 23: 37
    0
    Suicides
    1. Tommy
      Tommy 16 October 2019 00: 55
      +3
      Who will bury them?
  23. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 16 October 2019 04: 01
    +1
    You can ask! But who will pay? No money, solve your problems yourself .. In NATO, with financing, the crisis is brewing
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 16 October 2019 22: 21
      +1
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      ... solve your problems yourself .. In NATO, with financing, the crisis is brewing
      Uh, no, in the first part of your statement, you are sorry - they’re wrong: no one promised them a freebie, you must read the proposed documents