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The breeding of forces in the Donbass did not take place: the National Corps broke into Zolotoye

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In the Donbass, in the Zolotoy district, the breeding of forces was once again foiled. According to the representative of the LPR in the Joint Center for the Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire (JCCC) Mikhail Filiponenko, the Ukrainian side has not confirmed its readiness for breeding.


The breeding of forces in the Donbass did not take place: the National Corps broke into Zolotoye


According to the representative of the LNR, the LNR NM in 12: 00 launched a white signal rocket as a sign of readiness for the withdrawal of forces, but there was no response from the APU. This information was also confirmed by OSCE representatives, fixing that after signaling the readiness for the withdrawal of forces by the LPR, the Kiev side did not react in any way within an hour.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian media reported that nationalists drove into the Zolotoy district, where the separation of forces was to take place, in order to disrupt the agreements on the separation of forces. Ukrainian law enforcement officers standing at a checkpoint in Kremenny in the Luhansk region could not detain the “Natsiks” and let them in the direction of Zolotoy. Several “shots in the air” and a couple of clashes were reported, after which a column of nationalists proceeded further.

Earlier, the "National Corps", created on the basis of the nationalist battalion "Azov", announced a protest against the withdrawal of troops on the demarcation line. According to them, they are going to stay on the line of clash until the Ukrainian authorities abandon Steinmeier’s formula. If the withdrawal of troops takes place, they intend not to leave their positions and defend the village.

At the same time, Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andrii Zagorodniuk said that Kiev did not intend to implement the Minsk agreements regarding the use of the full amnesty mechanism for the militias involved in the conflict in the Donbass.

In no scenario does anyone see an amnesty for terrorists and criminals who fought against ours, and especially those who committed crimes. The Minsk agreements were signed in 2014 under very serious pressure, and now the situation has changed

- he told reporters
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 October 2019 15: 07
    +6
    So we are reaping the fruits of our toothless Kremlin policy towards the Donbass. The Kremlin was supposed to help, and actively help, in the formation of the republics as part of not ukroin.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 9 October 2019 15: 13
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      the Kremlin should

      Why does a state with minimal external debt all seem to have to?
      In addition to obligations, there are rights. And the main thing is the right to send pseudo-creditors away. And to defend their own national interests.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 9 October 2019 15: 28
        +25
        Thrall - because on the lands belonging to Russia they kill Russians under the joyful screeching of the West and the United States.
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 9 October 2019 15: 19
      +19
      The Republic of Donbass in 2014 held a referendum at which they decided to become part of Russia. And in the Kremlin’s offices they decided that it would be better for them to be gradually exterminated by the ukronazists than the ruling oligarchy in Russia would fall under the confiscation of its capital stored in the West ...
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 15: 26
        0
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The Republic of Donbass in 2014 held a referendum at which they decided to become part of Russia. And in the Kremlin’s offices they decided that it would be better for them to be gradually exterminated by the ukronazists than the ruling oligarchy in Russia would fall under the confiscation of its capital stored in the West ...

        Write even "bolder" ... And there are no sanctions against us. Probably because of the oligarchs.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 16: 02
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          And there is no sanction against us.

          Do they have any? Not difficult to list? And then compare with Iran or Cuba, and understand that there are sanctions, and that swaying a finger and words - did not go awry.
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 9 October 2019 20: 03
            +2
            and that swaying a finger and words - the little girl didn’t shawl.

            July 16
            The first sectoral sanctions were introduced. The list includes Rosneft, Novatek, Vnesheconombank and Gazprombank, as well as military corporations Almaz-Antey, Kalashnikov concern, NPO Basalt (produces air bombs) and Uralvagonzavod (manufacturer of tanks)
            Occasion: Ukraine

            July 18
            European Investment Bank has stopped financing projects in Russia

            July 29
            Sanctions were imposed against the state-owned banks "Bank of Moscow" (at that time it was in the process of being absorbed by VTB), VTB itself and "Rosselkhozbank". Also introduced sanctions against the United Shipbuilding Corporation
            Occasion: Ukraine

            July 30
            8 individuals and 3 legal entities have been added to the list - the Russian National Commercial Bank, the Almaz-Antey concern and the Dobrolet airline. A ban was introduced on investments in the infrastructure, transport and energy sectors of Russia, as well as on the production of oil and gas on the territory of the Russian Federation. European companies are prohibited from supplying equipment for these sectors, as well as providing financial services to companies from the infrastructure, transport and energy sectors of Russia
            Occasion: Ukraine

            July 31
            Sanctions were introduced against Sberbank of Russia, VTB, Gazprombank, Vnesheconombank, and Rosselkhozbank. Also introduced an embargo on the import and export of weapons to Russia, a ban on the export of dual-use goods and technology for military use
            Occasion: Ukraine

            6 of August
            Russia has banned the supply of equipment for deep oil and gas production, the development of the Arctic shelf and the extraction of shale oil and gas reserves. Deliveries of drilling platforms, parts for horizontal drilling, underwater equipment, marine equipment for working in the Arctic, software for hydraulic fracturing are also prohibited.
            Occasion: Ukraine

            on September 12
            The financing of three Russian companies is prohibited: Rosneft, Transneft and Gazprom Neft. Restrictions on loans to five Russian state banks have been tightened: Sberbank of Russia, VTB, Gazprombank, Vnesheconombank, and Rosselkhozbank. Prohibited financing of three defense concerns: "Uralvagonzavod", "Oboronprom", "United Aircraft Corporation". The sanctions list includes nine Russian defense concerns: Sirius, Stankoinstrument, Khimkompozit, Kalashnikov Concern, Tula Arms Plant, Mechanical Engineering Technologies, NPO High-Precision Complexes, Almaz-Antey and Basalt ... 24 individuals added to the list of persons subject to sanctions
            Occasion: Ukraine

            on September 12
            Sanctions were introduced against Gazprom, Lukoil, Transneft, Gazprom Neft, Surgutneftegaz, Novatek and Rosneft. American companies are prohibited from supplying them with goods and technology. The assets of five Russian defense companies were blocked: the Almaz-Antey corporation, the Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Engineering, the Mytishchi Machine-Building Plant, the Kalinin Machine-Building Plant and the Research and Production Center in Dolgoprudny. Also, access to the capital market for 6 Russian banks is limited - Sberbank, Bank of Moscow, Gazprombank, Rosselkhozbank, VTB and Vnesheconombank
            Occasion: Ukraine

            20 December
            Investments in Crimea and Sevastopol are prohibited
            Occasion: Ukraine

            And this is only 2014. If this is just "wiggle a finger", then someone lives in the world of their own fantasies or just a troll
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 20: 54
              -1
              Quote: Designer 68
              If it's just finger wiggle

              Actually, yes. Just add up.
              1. The ban on financing, sales of components and technologies to our defense industry. Um ... No, are you serious? To enter into an open conflict with the country, and demand from it to supply you with weapons? Get involved with drugs. Harmful.
              2. Cut off access to long loans. Banks working with state programs. Um ... No, are you serious? To enter into an open conflict with the country, and demand from it to finance the confrontation? Get involved with drugs. Harmful.
              3. Cut off the oil industry and gas industry access to their technologies. Um ... See point 2.

              And now about the sanctions. Real ones. Iran. Blocking assets (do you have foreign exchange reserves? Oh ... how deeply mistaken are you), a ban on transactions (which transfers? Load bucks with barrels), a ban on the purchase of mattress bonds (we owe you? Forget), a ban on the export of chemical products (sell strictly crude oil), closing markets for crude oil (were you allowed to change your mind?), banning Iranian ships from entering ports, banning the use of Iranian currency (does your bank have an ryal exchanger? are we covering your bank).
              Should I continue? There is still a lot of things. Or guess what real sanctions are? Now try on the situation in Russia. When they close all borders and all trade. And even China will buy and sell very little, and very carefully. And even finding a seller you can’t buy. For there is money, but there is no money to transfer. Then there will be sanctions. In the meantime, they threatened it with a finger. And left without sweets.
              1. Constructor68
                Constructor68 10 October 2019 11: 45
                +3
                To enter into an open conflict with the country, and demand from it to supply you with weapons? Get involved with drugs. Harmful.

                If drugs have settled where, then only in your head. Since the comrades are not brothers, being not just in conflict, but in general in the war (according to their assurances), they manage to ask the aggressor for trade preferences. And what conflict did the Russian Federation and the United States enter? Borderline? Attacked US territory? On the territory of the Russian Federation oppress US citizens? Or God forbid they are forcibly kept in the Gulag? And who else writes about drugs lol
                3. Cut off the oil industry and gas industry access to their technologies. Um ... See point 2.

                If you think with your head, and not with the nth place, you can find out that this is not only about YOUR technology and not only in the oil industry.
                2. Cut off access to long loans. Banks working with state programs. Um ... No, are you serious? To enter into an open conflict with the country, and demand from it to finance the confrontation? Get involved with drugs. Harmful.

                Dear, your patriotic love for the United States is understandable, of course, but you don’t need to translate the talk into a bazaar squabble in which you are seen to be strong.
                In what open conflict with the United States entered the Russian Federation? Where are the troops storming Indianapolis? Or perhaps the "Adtsky Sotana" missiles are already in your imagination already flying straight to Rind to incinerate the local church of the Confederation? Tin. It's not even drugs that are to blame, but you can see a wooden bench, which they kissed on when they knocked themselves off the stove in childhood.
                By the way, well, Russian banks would be credited with the hero of the occasion. And then European banks are also forbidden.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 9 October 2019 15: 56
        -8
        they were asked not to. the president urged personally.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 9 October 2019 16: 52
          +9
          The personal president swore he swore that he would not allow the destruction of Russian speakers in Ukraine.
          People did not even think that this is balabolstvo.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 32
            -1
            and he allows? recall the chronology of the conflict? August 14?
        2. V.I.F.
          V.I.F. 9 October 2019 18: 54
          +6
          Who is this "president personally" when the decision was made "personally" by the Russian people?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 48
            0
            there is a difference you understand between the Russian and Russian people. and substantial. I understand you and believe me, I would also like it to end. I just understand that nothing will be so simple. we are not alone in the world and not everyone understands us.
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            2. V.I.F.
              V.I.F. 10 October 2019 14: 57
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              there is a difference understand between the Russian and Russian people

              Does this somehow prevent you from understanding what I said?
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 9 October 2019 16: 45
        +6
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The Republic of Donbass in 2014 held a referendum at which they decided to become part of Russia.

        Not true. A referendum with such a question has never been held in the Donbass. The only question in two languages ​​(Russian and Ukrainian) was submitted to the referendum: "Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk People's Republic?" There was no talk of joining Russia. You, apparently, confused with the Crimea. hi
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 9 October 2019 17: 10
          -4
          originally went and then they called from the Kremlin and the question was changed
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 9 October 2019 17: 47
            -1
            Quote: Kronos
            originally went and then they called from the Kremlin and the question was changed

            As if you were sitting on the Kremlin telephone wire and heard all this? There is no need to retell fables a la "bulk news" here.
      4. Constructor68
        Constructor68 9 October 2019 19: 43
        +1
        The Republic of Donbass in 2014 held a referendum at which they decided to become part of Russia. And in the Kremlin’s offices they decided that it would be better for them to be gradually exterminated by the ukronazists than the ruling oligarchy in Russia would fall under confiscation of its capital stored in the West

        Low-respected provocateur with the Angloxon name "Greg Miller", at the 2014 referendum. there was no question about the desire to join the Russian Federation. In fact, there was one question: "Do you support the Act on State Independence of the Donetsk People's Republic."
        And about the exterminating ukronazists - I advise you to go there and prove your position in relation to them, in the trench, with a gun in your hands
        1. Geo
          Geo 9 October 2019 21: 49
          -1
          Quote: Designer 68
          Dear provocateur

          Quote: Designer 68
          I advise you to go there ... in the trench, with a gun in hand

          Ktr is a provocateur here - visible with the naked eye
      5. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 9 October 2019 20: 52
        0
        Even before 2014, I had a chance to read about a detailed operation developed by the Russian military against Ukraine under the code name: "Mechanical Orange" 3 options were considered there, the return of Crimea, the return of the Russian-speaking southeast, and in general the whole of Ukraine to Russia. Everything was described in detail when and which military unit on our side should be involved and against which Ukrainian one. Maybe our young guys will search the Internet.
        1. Dart
          Dart 10 October 2019 00: 25
          0
          Yes, that's exactly what happened. Plans existed from the beginning of the partition of the USSR. And this is normal, the military should always have a plan. 2014 showed that this was not improvisation.
    3. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 15: 20
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      So we are reaping the fruits of our toothless Kremlin policy towards the Donbass. The Kremlin was supposed to help, and actively help, in the formation of the republics as part of not ukroin.

      Gumkonvoi-ruble zone-distribution of Russian passports.
      Is this in your opinion a "toothless" policy of Russia?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 9 October 2019 15: 26
        +4
        Andrei Chistyakov, do you know how many specialists, under various pretexts, didn’t let people into the Donbass, capable of creating an army in a short time, able to defend their lands? I talked with some of them, and I agree that all this was done intentionally, so that the Kremlin could show the West that it stands for the integrity of Ukraine. And the authorities did not want to think about the mass genocide of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          Andrei Chistyakov, do you know how many specialists, under various pretexts, didn’t let people into the Donbass, capable of creating an army in a short time, able to defend their lands? I talked with some of them, and I agree that all this was done intentionally, so that the Kremlin could show the West that it stands for the integrity of Ukraine. And the authorities did not want to think about the mass genocide of the Russian-speaking population of Donbass.

          I know. And the fact that Donbass has been "drained" for 5 years too.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 9 October 2019 15: 52
          -2
          and the Kremlin at least once said something about the fact that he does not consider it Ukrainian land? Well, at least once was this? or didn’t ask not to hold this referendum? you may either like or like what they are doing, but the facts are that you never promised anything. and nevertheless, throughout all these years they have been actively helped.
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 9 October 2019 17: 04
            +12
            That is why we have practically no friends in the world now. There are not even allies, and so, there are a few "temporary fellow travelers". Who are ready to leave us immediately, as soon as they smile from the West.
            Well, if we are not ready to protect the Russian population in the Donbass (or rather, the Kremlin is not ready), that is, our half-hearted ones, what kind of rest do the rest hope for us?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 40
              -5
              what kind of protection are you talking about? politically and militarily they do not help? or invasion of a neighboring state do you want? the walk was not there and never will be. will have to grind tens of thousands of people and the losses will be large on both sides. to enter Rosguardia there so that the cleared territory would be taken under control. specialists to filter the population. Do you want this in the form of protection? After that, it’s not just that there will be no friends and companions left. just everyone who is fenced off from us with fences. this is a new time and new types of war. and you have to do everything thinking and quietly.
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 9 October 2019 16: 55
          +3
          Quote: Thrifty
          didn’t let people into Donbass capable of creating an army in a short time, capable of defending their lands?

          Well, tell more tales. I served in NM. All senior officers are staff officers from the Russian Federation.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 9 October 2019 15: 29
        -10
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Quote: Thrifty
        So we are reaping the fruits of our toothless Kremlin policy towards the Donbass. The Kremlin was supposed to help, and actively help, in the formation of the republics as part of not ukroin.

        Gumkonvoi-ruble zone-distribution of Russian passports.
        Is this in your opinion a "toothless" policy of Russia?

        How many Russian passports were distributed to residents of Donbass in 5 years can you tell?
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 15: 33
          +5
          Quote: Greg Miller
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Quote: Thrifty
          So we are reaping the fruits of our toothless Kremlin policy towards the Donbass. The Kremlin was supposed to help, and actively help, in the formation of the republics as part of not ukroin.

          Gumkonvoi-ruble zone-distribution of Russian passports.
          Is this in your opinion a "toothless" policy of Russia?

          How many Russian passports were distributed to residents of Donbass in 5 years can you tell?

          Since March 2016, residents of the DNI 170t.-LNR 150t. And the queue is worth it.
          1. Greg Miller
            Greg Miller 9 October 2019 15: 38
            +5
            The population of LDNR is about 3 million people .... for another 10 years, such passports will be issued at such a pace ... As for me, residents of LDNR deserve Russian citizenship more than residents of any Chechnya ... they fought and are fighting for the right to be Russians with ukrofashistami, unlike those who killed the Russian ...
            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 15: 39
              +1
              Quote: Greg Miller
              The population of LDNR is about 3 million people .... for another 10 years, such passports will be issued at such a pace ... As for me, residents of LDNR deserve Russian citizenship more than residents of any Chechnya ... they fought and are fighting for the right to be Russians with ukrofashistami, unlike those who killed the Russian ...

              You asked specifically. I also answered you.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 9 October 2019 16: 01
              -1
              But how to do it faster? give out to everyone in a row? without intelligence checks? so that passports could be obtained by those who then will spoil here? I’m 200 percent sure that Ukrainian terrorism will come to us soon. present. and these all can be disposed of only in the event of a real war, or that they themselves would make their night of long knives. the second option, whatever one may say, is more correct and possible in all respects. not the same war they declare which will not end in any good.
            3. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 9 October 2019 16: 58
              +3
              Quote: Greg Miller
              LDNR population of about 3 million people

              And how many of them are those who have the right to get a passport and want to get it? And if 4 tons in 320 months, what kind of 10 years do you write about?
      3. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2019 15: 29
        +9
        Certainly toothless. Yes, help. But when they kill a brother, sister ... What, we must bring humanitarian aid, distribute documents, so that in case of something we can move out? We criticize Amezians, Israelis. But in the case of a military threat, the death of loved ones, they act harshly. And here is Chekhov's "man in a case."
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 9 October 2019 15: 45
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Certainly toothless. Yes, help. But when they kill a brother, sister ... What, we must bring humanitarian aid, distribute documents, so that in case of something we can move out? We criticize Amezians, Israelis. But in the case of a military threat, the death of loved ones, they act harshly. And here is Chekhov's "man in a case."

          Dmitry welcome hi . For the leadership of Russia, brothers and sisters are those oligarchs who may suffer because of American sanctions. And the inhabitants of Donbass for them is an extra biomass that needs to be taught, treated, fed, and paid pensions. The Kremlin leadership and in Russia itself have enough of this in abundance ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox 9 October 2019 15: 52
            +5
            Gregory hi We have a guy working in the department from there, from Donbass. He worked at the ZuGRES power station .. Life became unbearable, they just left as a family. Some say they are moving closer to Kiev, others closer to Moscow. Now, with the issuance of passports, this movement will be even more simplified This is support. Yes, of course, for them, a Russian passport is good. But who will stay there?
            1. Greg Miller
              Greg Miller 9 October 2019 15: 57
              +1
              There will be one who cannot leave, i.e. old men...
        2. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 10 October 2019 00: 51
          0
          Who, as physically can act, does so. Information available to senior management will never be in the public domain. Lacking this information can only be judged retrospectively in cases, but even in this case it is very difficult to give a true assessment of how and why managers did so and not otherwise. Whatever they may be in relation to ordinary citizens, they too may be mistaken, it is not true to interpret the information they have. In addition to all this, there is a constant struggle for power at the top.
      4. ultra
        ultra 9 October 2019 16: 01
        +6
        All this is wonderful, but shells and mines still fall on the heads of the inhabitants of Donbass.
      5. Lelek
        Lelek 9 October 2019 17: 58
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Gumkonvoi-ruble zone-distribution of Russian passports.
        Is this in your opinion a "toothless" policy of Russia?

        hi , Andrew.
        Our supreme also stated that if at least one Russian citizen suffers in the Donbas, then ... uuuhhhh! And now imagine that the UDA bandits under the leadership of Biletsky and Yarosh, who sent their hetman "to the macaque", tomorrow will begin shelling Russian citizens (who have received passports of the Russian Federation) and one of them will die. What will be the reaction of the Russian leadership? Should we start hostilities or "express concern"? I personally cannot predict the reaction, can you? And Putin? request
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 18: 05
          -2
          A lion. When it starts, then we'll see. You will argue that if August 24, 2014
          volunteers didn’t help the militias would not destroy them? Two boilers again. So let's not discuss what we both don't know. If, by logic, we’ll surrender the Donbass, then we’ll talk about the Crimea ... Or is it not clear?
          Read the book by Z. Prilepin "Some will not go to hell". Much will become clear immediately.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 9 October 2019 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            You will argue that if August 24, 2014
            volunteers didn’t help the militias would not destroy them?


            Argue? Yes, not my God. The situation was completely different then. And in my repost I am talking about something else - in short, about our guarantees of protecting OUR citizens in the SE of the former Ukraine. And the Natsiks are tuned in to the war with the LPNR, which means there will be victims. I do not exclude that this is a large-scale provocation in order to test the new leadership of the Ruins "for lice", and Russia for its readiness to protect its citizens and teach this to the West as "another act of Russian aggression."
            1. Andrey Chistyakov
              Andrey Chistyakov 9 October 2019 18: 19
              -1
              Quote: Lelek
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              You will argue that if August 24, 2014
              volunteers didn’t help the militias would not destroy them?


              Argue? Yes, not my God. The situation was completely different then. And in my repost I am talking about something else - in short, about our guarantees of protecting OUR citizens in the SE of the former Ukraine. And the Natsiks are tuned in to the war with the LPNR, which means there will be victims. I do not exclude that this is a large-scale provocation in order to test the new leadership of the Ruins "for lice", and Russia for its readiness to protect its citizens and teach this to the West as "another act of Russian aggression."

              Well, you see. So we'll see what is called.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 9 October 2019 18: 25
                +1
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                Well, you see. So we'll see what is called.


                We will be. However, there is something. Here from the last - what will Svidomo use a gas stove in the future:

                And one more is ours:

                And now - for a sip of tea yes
      6. V.I.F.
        V.I.F. 9 October 2019 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Gumkonvoi-ruble zone-distribution of Russian passports.
        Is this in your opinion a "toothless" policy of Russia?

        Exactly. It's like jawing toothless jaws.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 9 October 2019 15: 27
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      the Kremlin was supposed to actively help in the formation of the republics as parts of not ukroin.

      How specifically did not help?
      They did not destroy Radu and the presidential administration with a missile strike, nor did they defeat the dill army in the Donbass by the forces of the Republic of Armenia, i.e. didn’t lead a big war against nenki? With all the consequences ...
      Russia needs not so much "the formation of republics as part of not Ukraine", but the collapse of the entire Bandera state, incl. and with the assistance of the DLNR, because the dashing trouble is the beginning.
      Right now, the confrontation between banderlogs and geyropeytsy begins inside them. And it is right! And the reason is the presence of an unbroken Donbass.
      You look and there are a number of insoluble contradictions, fortunately, there are enough preconditions and the square will crumble as an "ugly product" of the collapse of the USSR.
      Part of it will return to Russia, and let part of the wide-minded people jump as they like and wash the pots of their own accord.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2019 15: 45
        +6
        There will be no destruction of the Bandera regime. And the matter is not in the Donbass or in Russia .. And the point is the absence of a good example. The level of life here and in LNR is not better than in the past .. Wait until the ruin falls apart? Are they frozen in winter without gas? they didn’t freeze and didn’t fall apart. And they don’t fall apart, because we show our toothlessness when people are burned in Odessa, peaceful people are killed in LDNR .. And we are waiting ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 9 October 2019 15: 57
          -2
          This is a long game. There are only two options. or war or like that. which one do you like more?
          1. Tavi
            Tavi 9 October 2019 17: 03
            -1
            totally agree with you. And how many victims would there be if troops were brought in? And how would the population of Ukraine react to this (eastern / middle / western)? and where to send troops? to Kiev? Most likely, the terror would begin constant bombings and killings all over Ukraine, and not only there, but also on the territory of the Russian Federation all this crawled. And who would pay all Ukraine pensions? ... some questions that are scary to look for answers.
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 9 October 2019 17: 16
            +2
            While you play, be in a long time with the DPR and LPR just no people left
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 42
              -3
              but how else? declare war and start liberating? so nothing will remain of the population after that.
          3. 210ox
            210ox 9 October 2019 17: 41
            +4
            You're right, this is a game .. Not a solution to a problem.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 9 October 2019 18: 38
              +5
              Quote: 210ox
              But not a solution to the problem.

              hi , Dmitry.
              There is a solution that is not painless, but, IMHO, the only thing is to carry out acts of recognition of the independence of the republics, conclude agreements with them, hold referendums in them on the Crimean version and do not care about all the squeals of external and internal "opponents".
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 43
                -4
                of course have. that's just the field of this standard of living will collapse completely in the country and are we ready for this? simple solutions are not always correct.
          4. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 9 October 2019 20: 39
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            This is a long game. There are only two options. or war or like that. which one do you like more?

            Life is not a computer where there are only ones and zeroes. When they say "there are ONLY two options", then most likely they either lie, or do not want to think, or they fish in troubled waters, or they are trying to cover up some other abomination.
            Do you think that the USA in Ukraine developed only TWO options for 5 billions? They acted in a very diverse and very broad front. Does the Russian Federation lack such a desire or something else?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 9 October 2019 22: 12
              0
              I agree with you. but I see these options only. my opinion. maybe they are more, but I don’t know about them and don’t understand.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 9 October 2019 16: 00
        +1
        If the Russian leadership wanted the destruction of the Bandera state, then not only the Crimea, but the entire South-East of Ukraine would be part of Russia back in 2014.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 9 October 2019 16: 07
          -4
          on what damn basis? Is this a game for you? in the 21st century, just taking territory from a neighboring country? after this, such sanctions will come to us all together ofigee. Crimea is a necessary necessity. and be honest we forgave him. they didn’t harshly respond as they could. now everything has begun to calm down, but taking those lands would have scared everyone in Europe. and it’s not enough for us, I assure you.
          1. Marconi41
            Marconi41 9 October 2019 17: 27
            -4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            and it’s not enough

            That's right. Moreover, we could get sanctions from the UN as an aggressor country, and this is an exception to the Security Council with all the consequences. And I assure you that no China would intervene for us. Who would veto then? Then we would definitely kirdyk.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 9 October 2019 18: 11
              +2
              Quote: Marconi41
              we could get sanctions from the UN as an aggressor country, and this is an exception to the Security Council with all the consequences.

              ====
              and the United States in Iraq as a peacemaker? a coup d'etat took place in Ukraine, the legal president fled to rf. than you do not have a reason to send troops, or really help dissenting citizens to restore power. but after restoration of the constitutional order, welcome to negotiations, etc. etc.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 9 October 2019 19: 45
                -3
                the US has an advantage. bases around the world and manual re-singing. who will understand us when in their yard the armed forces of another state have dug in and do what they want?
              2. Marconi41
                Marconi41 9 October 2019 19: 54
                -3
                Quote: Victorio
                and the United States in Iraq as a peacemaker?

                No, of course, but if something happens, they will be insured by the United Kingdom and France, who also have the right of Veto, as has happened more than once. And who will vote for us in the Security Council? However, you only hear yourself. I would also like the accession of Little Russia, but so far this is not possible.
      3. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 9 October 2019 17: 04
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        And the reason is the presence of an unbroken Donbass.

        This is a subtle geopolitical game, but it’s hard to explain it to some members of the forum who have been yelling about 5 years ago. They do not bring any veils about the protection of Donbass, they just need to criticize the authorities.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 9 October 2019 17: 17
          +2
          While you play, people die and trust is lost which you can’t restore later
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 9 October 2019 17: 25
            -1
            Quote: Kronos
            While you play, people die and trust is lost which you can’t restore later

            I do not just play, I fought against the Natsiks, it’s not for you to tell me about the deaths in the Donbass. But I understand perfectly well that in the 21st century, one cannot just invade another country. Crimea was the AR and had rights; therefore, they forgave us for it. Everyone in Europe understands that he has always been a part of Russia. And Donbass, thanks to the Bolsheviks, became the regions of the pseudo country of Ukraine.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 9 October 2019 17: 27
              +4
              Is it always 200 years old? You can invade if you want anywhere as they do - Americans, Turks or Jews without snot
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 9 October 2019 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: Kronos
                Is it always 200 years old?

                Are you few? And how much do you think should be? Despite the fact that most of the population there are Russian.
                Quote: Kronos
                You can invade if you want anywhere as they do - Americans, Turks or Jews without snot

                It is one thing to invade, another thing is to seize territory. The US was only invading. Turkey and Israel only struck. Israel, even with the occupied territories, is smaller than the Donetsk region. And these countries are for the west. It is clear that they will not be hard pressed as the Russian Federation or Iran.
      4. freddyk
        freddyk 10 October 2019 02: 32
        +2
        Quote: Alekseev
        How specifically did not help?
        They did not destroy Radu and the presidential administration with a missile strike, nor did they defeat the dill army in the Donbass by the forces of the Republic of Armenia, i.e. didn’t lead a big war against nenki? With all the consequences ...

        Why, everything is much simpler. It was just necessary to recognize the Republic legally, as Abkhazia and Ossetia.
  2. demo
    demo 9 October 2019 15: 12
    -1
    Did anyone doubt it?
    Until there are (if any) healthy forces in Ukraine, this will be so.
    If not worse.
    The only hope for hunger and cold.
    They tune in a constructive way faster.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 October 2019 15: 19
      +6
      Quote: demo
      The only hope for hunger and cold.

      So it will be said that the oaths were blamed for this and will further increase the hatred of the Maydan people for Russia.
      1. demo
        demo 9 October 2019 19: 54
        0
        You are right.
        Santa Claus and Hunger Aunt are purely Russian characters.
        I don’t know about Muscovites, but Ustyug is the birthplace of a cold man, but hunger — I don’t know where.
    2. iConst
      iConst 9 October 2019 15: 20
      +4
      Quote: demo
      The only hope for hunger and cold.
      They tune in a constructive way faster.

      Yes, damn it, those who support it all from cold and hunger do not suffer. Equipment and supplies for the "activists" will be found.

      And the main sane people will sit quietly in apartments. Well, scolding Putin, more like Stockholm syndrome.
    3. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 9 October 2019 15: 20
      +2
      Wait. Gazprom will soon agree to pump gas through Ukraine and it will become warm.
    4. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 9 October 2019 20: 45
      0
      Quote: demo
      The only hope for hunger and cold.
      They tune in a constructive way faster.

      What an abomination! Be ashamed!
      If there are no brains for something more intelligent, it would be better just to keep silent.
      1. demo
        demo 9 October 2019 22: 23
        0
        Vladimir Glavaty
        Especially for you.
        A messenger comes to the general.
        He holds out the envelope and says - tebe package!
        The general answers that - not tebe, but you!
        That’s mine again.
        So a few times.
        General in hearts - what is it! They send normal messengers to all, but to me a chock!
        The messenger answers - to normal - normal, and me to tebe.

        My post, with an absent meaning, with an absent brain, vile and shameless was addressed to people like you.
        And you reacted so briskly to him.

        Don’t worry so much.
        Russia is kind.
        After all the words that she heard in her address, she will also warm, feed, and let her rest on her chest.

        Thank God that the authorities in our country are not like me.
        After a year, Bandera would be remembered only in fairy tales.
        And then in a whisper.
        And in the ear.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 9 October 2019 15: 15
    +1
    and now the situation has changed

    So let's write it down.
    Really.
    There is nothing to do to the independent Nazis in the occupied territories.
  4. polpot
    polpot 9 October 2019 15: 24
    +5
    Until they dispose of the Natsik it will continue indefinitely.
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 9 October 2019 16: 28
      +4
      Quote: polpot
      Until they dispose of the Natsik it will continue indefinitely.

      And who will recycle them? The Ukrainian authorities themselves are afraid of them. Russia will definitely not. Most likely, the state of neither peace nor war will continue for quite some time. Sorry for the people of LDNR.
  5. K-50
    K-50 9 October 2019 15: 53
    +1
    Urkaina has again demonstrated its complete incapacity for negotiation, as well as to comply with earlier obligations. Well "what is the pop, so is the arrival." That it is impossible to agree with pin dos nikami about anything, then also with their current slaves. lol
  6. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 October 2019 16: 12
    +2
    Ukrainian law enforcement officers, standing at the checkpoint in Kremennoye in the Luhansk region, could not detain the "Natsiks" and let them in the direction of Zolote.
    And where is the power? Where is the army, the SBU police and all the power structures. It turns out bandit formations in Ukraine rule the show. A state that cannot protect itself and its people is no longer a "404 error", but a "wild field".
  7. Kontrik
    Kontrik 9 October 2019 16: 28
    +6
    It is useless to play with the Nazis in a truce .. Russophobia and hysteria are their bread ..
    Now you won’t make them work, only if you cut down the forest somewhere in the taiga .. soldier
    1. yehat
      yehat 9 October 2019 18: 44
      +1
      no, don’t need them in the taiga
      let it be better to bring down the brushes in Poland's toilets.
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 9 October 2019 19: 15
        0
        Quote: yehat
        no, don’t need them in the taiga
        let it be better to bring down the brushes in Poland's toilets.

        So before the Maidan, they did just that ... or the goats were grazed in the Western Outskirts .. And then they were given a chance (to become heroes and free then gobble and devour) after all they were brought to Kiev directly by echelons .. negative
        In Poland they really hate them and most are simply afraid to speak a mov (usually Russian), they are beaten by the Poles ....
        So these "heroes, glory" will sit in trenches in Kiev to the last.
        They will be cleaned up anyway (I hope the special forces of Donbass will not be from these mercies), with the support of .. well, you know who .. soldier
        And Zelensky, this is a transition .. so that the main ones can be dumped in Israel with looted bags .. Let the bloody bastards run.
        Probably the fertile land has already begun to be exported to Germany again? The rest is ALL destroyed and looted
  8. vnord
    vnord 9 October 2019 16: 33
    -3
    Quote: Greg Miller
    The Republic of Donbass in 2014 held a referendum at which they decided to become part of Russia. //

    Well, when was the referendum with such a formulation of the question? There was a referendum on federalization within Ukraine ..
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 9 October 2019 18: 26
      0
      Quote: vnord
      There was a referendum on federalization within Ukraine ..

      ====
      https://ria.ru/20140512/1007491897.html
  9. high
    high 9 October 2019 16: 49
    0
    The reality is:
    On Monday, October 7, the head of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine Vadim Pristayko said that the withdrawal of forces in the Petrovsky and Zolotoy areas of the Donbass was postponed, since there were shelling by the enemy on the part of the separation of forces and assets in the area of ​​the settlement of Zolotoye from an anti-tank grenade launcher and small arms.
  10. yehat
    yehat 9 October 2019 18: 43
    -4
    Quote: Sergey1987
    I served in NM

    What is NM? Nenko Mattress? or some couturier's trading house?
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 October 2019 19: 25
      +2
      No need to carry a blizzard. Everyone knows that NM is the People’s Police. And who does not know, that is fabulous ... and there is nothing to talk about with this.
      And yes, I also served in NM.
      I read the fierce srach above, just a hand-face, as far as people are not in the subject.
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 October 2019 10: 43
        0
        you will be surprised, but many people are not at all in the subject
        maximum 3 words heard - Donbass and National Battalions
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 10 October 2019 15: 11
          0
          The main thing is not to: "I don't know anything, but I judge about (b)"))
          1. yehat
            yehat 10 October 2019 15: 58
            0
            I have nothing against it, until it comes to "approve"
  11. Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 9 October 2019 20: 57
    +3
    If the withdrawal of troops takes place, they intend not to leave their positions and protect village.
    Damn it, it seems that in the penultimate word they made a mistake with one letter - instead of Ch they wrote S. yes These "warriors" on the peaceful come off much. And so it was nothing out of the ordinary - there was no doubt about the failure of the next attempt at reconciliation.
  12. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 9 October 2019 23: 31
    0
    My opinion. Donbass is obliged to decide. 1) Remain in Ukraine, in any capacity, but they (Donbass) will be part of Ukraine negative 2) Reunite with Russia (Crimean version good ), why Crimea was able to "leave", and Donbass has been listening to the tale about "White Bychka" (Minsk Agreements) for 5 years ... 3) To become an "independent" state, but first the LPR needs to unite with the DPR into one single state and regain itself occupied by Kiev (Ukraine) lands of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Peace will be after Victory yes
  13. sgr291158
    sgr291158 10 October 2019 06: 18
    +1
    It was necessary to finish the reptiles back in Debaltseve, and not sign the Minsk agreements.
  14. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 10 October 2019 07: 32
    0
    The Minsk agreements were signed in 2014 under very serious pressure, but now the situation has changed

    Well, it’s necessary to arrange and pressurize a couple more boilers, then everyone will sign it.