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USA refuse flights to ISS on Soyuz

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Roscosmos, according to a previous decision, will send only two Soyuz manned spacecraft next year to the ISS. This is due to the fact that the United States did not apply for a third ship, while the Russian Federation does not feel the need for it.




Even if NASA changes its mind, this alignment cannot be changed, as time has already been lost for the manufacture of the device. As explained in Roscosmos, the production of one ship takes 2,5-3 of the year. The United States “reserved” only one place with the expectation that their astronaut would be on the ISS in the spring of 2020. It is assumed that subsequent delivery will be carried out by our own devices.

However, the deadlines for the implementation of private flight programs, which are implemented by Boeing and SpaceX, and which NASA expects, have been repeatedly postponed since 2014. And this is not to mention the trial operation of the Starliner and Crew Dragon ships, without which it is difficult to talk about the safety of their use. There is a possibility that they may not be in orbit in the 2020 year.

To launch the third "Union", it must be done. In principle, this would be a way out if we had thought about it before. Anticipating such a situation, having ordered such a ship, one could have reserves

- said Sergey Krikalev, who oversees manned programs in Roscosmos.

But the Americans ignored Moscow’s repeated calls not to rush to refuse her services and to play safe. As a result, already in the fall of 2020 of the year on the ISS for the first time in stories exclusively Russian crew will fly. Moreover, it will not consist of two cosmonauts, but of three, since it was decided to increase their number at the station. Thus, there will be no place to place an American on this ship. As a result, a replacement for an astronaut already working at the station may not arrive in time.
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  1. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 4 October 2019 10: 06
    +25
    Well, to hell with them, with American astronauts.
    The main thing is not to change your mind yourself.
    We decided only to send our own, so act in the end.

    If it doesn’t work out for the Americans, then they’ll shoot a movie. Or the bus will be launched into space.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 4 October 2019 10: 10
      +3
      No one will grieve and will not, let's see when and on what they will send their astronauts to the station.
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 4 October 2019 10: 13
        +12
        Quote: Spartanez300
        No one will grieve and will not, let's see when and on what they will send their astronauts to the station.

        Prala! Fewer Yankees on the ISS - fewer holes in its hull! yes
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 4 October 2019 16: 04
          -1
          +.
          I wish the RD-180 wouldn’t be sold to them!
      2. Ascold1901
        Ascold1901 4 October 2019 11: 33
        +3
        Ragozin already answered this question - on a big trampoline ....))))
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 4 October 2019 12: 15
        +6
        Quote: Spartanez300
        let's see when and on what they will send astronauts to the station.


        1) Crew Dragon is not the only threat: in parallel with SpaceX, the manned Starliner spacecraft, by order of NASA, is also developing Boeing, flight tests began in 2019. These two ships - Crew Dragon and Starliner - should completely solve the problem of delivering astronauts to station and rid NASA of its dependence on Roscosmos.
        2) Creation of cargo "Dragons" reduced the number of flights of Russian "Progress" transports, which, by the way, were also partially paid by the USA. Market competition is curtailing the number of Russian commercial satellite launches.
      4. swnvaleria
        swnvaleria 4 October 2019 13: 03
        -3
        let them go on balloons or start from the catapult, trampolines are already taken by someone, and return by parachute
    2. FenH
      FenH 4 October 2019 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Well, to hell with them, with American astronauts.
      The main thing is not to change your mind yourself.
      We decided only to send our own, so act in the end.

      If it doesn’t work out for the Americans, then they’ll shoot a movie. Or the bus will be launched into space.

      And NASA seems to disagree with the article wink
      https://ria.ru/20191002/1559340327.html
      1. slipped
        slipped 4 October 2019 10: 44
        +4
        Quote: FenH
        And NASA seems to disagree with the article wink
        https://ria.ru/20191002/1559340327.html


        But it doesn’t matter whether it agrees or not. They have only one seat reserved. And we have a lot of VCS planned for next year and we need a third crew member of the ISS RS. We are talking about subsequent years.
        1. FenH
          FenH 4 October 2019 11: 18
          +1
          Quote: slipped
          Quote: FenH
          And NASA seems to disagree with the article wink
          https://ria.ru/20191002/1559340327.html


          But it doesn’t matter whether it agrees or not. They have only one seat reserved. And we have a lot of VCS planned for next year and we need a third crew member of the ISS RS. We are talking about subsequent years.

          So already the Russian space system is only collecting two rockets, so it is likely that only the Russian crew will remain on the ISS by the end of the year
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 4 October 2019 11: 22
          +7
          The delivery of one astronaut to the International Space Station on Soyuz spacecraft costs the United States $ 85 million. This was stated by US Vice President Michael Pence, speaking at a forum organized by the Politico newspaper,

          According to him, American citizens are disappointed that the United States cannot independently launch its astronauts into space, being fellow travelers with the Russians.

          “We pay about $ 85 million per seat,” Pence said.
        3. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 4 October 2019 19: 35
          +1
          But it doesn’t matter whether it agrees or not. They have only one seat reserved.

          But I completely agree with this (in continuation of the dialogue in another news;)). With all my sincere respect for Elon Musk, it was very rash to chop off a branch without the right of a safety net. I know from myself: I created a laboratory at my enterprise in order to transfer work from another institute closer to myself, it would seem - start, and the bosses are hoofing "come on already", I had to explain for a long time that first it was necessary to test everything in a test mode, and then if the puncture comes out, it will not seem a little. First, they will express their dissatisfaction that this is another six months postponement, they will think for a day or two, then they give the command to "reinsurance".
      2. lwxx
        lwxx 4 October 2019 11: 54
        +6
        The Americans give the back (will it really work out), but how about the Europeans? They immediately declared that they would use only the shtatovskih carts. America once again framed Europe, well, they’re not used to it. Although it’s time to start thinking with your own brains.
        1. FenH
          FenH 4 October 2019 11: 58
          +1
          Quote: lwxx
          The Americans give the back (will it really work out), but how about the Europeans? They immediately declared that they would use only the shtatovskih carts. America once again framed Europe, well, they’re not used to it. Although it’s time to start thinking with your own brains.

          Europeans will carry with Kuru in unions, you just need a little, modernize the spaceport drinks
          1. lwxx
            lwxx 4 October 2019 12: 16
            0
            It is unlikely. Even assuming, hypothetically, the timing. This means that in the coming years Europe will not see the ISS. Well, if only through a telescope. wink
            1. FenH
              FenH 4 October 2019 13: 18
              0
              Quote: lwxx
              It is unlikely. Even assuming, hypothetically, the timing. This means that in the coming years Europe will not see the ISS. Well, if only through a telescope. wink

              Everyone is still pitching with water, at the end of October they plan to launch without a crew, and in the spring with the crew, as they say, the tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. People, this is not a car, so let's take a look request
    3. Thrall
      Thrall 4 October 2019 10: 11
      -3
      Americans make a good face on a bad game. With manned flights on their own, they are now not at all very good and the prospects are still foggy.
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 4 October 2019 12: 37
        +2
        Ours needs to bring to mind their many-sized ship, regardless of whether the Americans want to fly with us or not, it is better to seduce the Indians.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 October 2019 10: 22
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir16
      We decided only to send our own, so act in the end.

      We decided one thing, and maybe it will turn out another - our two amers. Money determines everything.
    5. smart ass
      smart ass 4 October 2019 10: 39
      -20
      Well done striped, jammed Roskosmos, Rogozin hi !!! Sewing trampolines
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 4 October 2019 10: 52
        0
        Broadcast from the former Ukraine?
        Or simply?
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 4 October 2019 10: 57
          -20
          Actually, what’s the matter with you? I’m a patriot of my country.
          1. Ascold1901
            Ascold1901 4 October 2019 11: 44
            +8
            Which country?
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 4 October 2019 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: Clever man (Vasya)
        Well done striped, jammed Roskosmos ...

        And this is Vasya. Just Vasya. Says that smart guy request

        Quote: Clever man (Vasya)
        I manage the assortment in a network of construction stores, the direction of the tool

        There are no words yes
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 4 October 2019 11: 03
          -17
          We will laugh together when the Americans will carry on their ships)) hello
      3. thinker
        thinker 4 October 2019 11: 39
        +8
        Not jammed, but show off, and now on the heels -
        October 2 - RIA Novosti. US National Aeronautics and Space Administration wants buy extra seats from Russia on board the Soyuz spacecraft for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS after spring 2020.
      4. Shuttle
        Shuttle 4 October 2019 12: 22
        +6
        Quote: Clever man
        Well done striped, jammed Roskosmos, Rogozin hi !!! Sewing trampolines

        Excuse me, but why are they jammed? Dragon with people will fly definitely not in the spring of 2020. At this time, only a test of the rescue system is scheduled. And knowing that SpceX is organizing on Agile, it can be said with a high degree of probability that they will not be in time in the spring. Because Dragon’s design, as Dmitry Konanykhin aptly remarked on his cozy little YouTube channel, the design is hipster. Those. there is not a problem with the check valve, but with the basic structure of the ship and its rescue system. And this is for a long time.
        1. zlinn
          zlinn 4 October 2019 16: 44
          0
          test of the rescue system scheduled for November 23, and the ship and the rocket are already at the spaceport
          Of course there will be transfers, well, maybe it will fly in January, and then there are no any preferences for a flight with a crew in the spring
          1. Kazbek
            Kazbek 4 October 2019 20: 31
            +3
            It will take very brave astronauts. It will be a pity if they crash right at the start. I wouldn’t fly on such a raw ram ...
            1. zlinn
              zlinn 4 October 2019 20: 40
              0
              astronauts are generally brave people. and all the apparatuses were once raw, but they were tested and exploited, today dragons are much more ready to fly than shuttles, Apollo, gemini, unions and east, but they all flew
          2. Shuttle
            Shuttle 5 October 2019 08: 16
            0
            Quote: zlinn
            test of the rescue system scheduled for November 23, and the ship and the rocket are already at the spaceport
            Of course there will be transfers, well, maybe it will fly in January, and then there are no any preferences for a flight with a crew in the spring

            Will not be. No, not if the tests are successful. If!
    6. RUSS
      RUSS 4 October 2019 11: 16
      +14
      Quote: Vladimir16
      Well, to hell with them, with American astronauts.

      For Russia, the delivery of American astronauts to the ISS is a very profitable business. Earlier, Moscow has repeatedly said that it is ready to continue cooperation. But the United States for several years to the question of extending the contract did not answer unambiguously. The fact that there will be no new contract with NASA, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov officially announced only at the end of August this year.

      The current contract for $ 490 million involved six rounds of flights - to the ISS and back. In just the past three years, the United States has paid Russia almost $ 1 billion ($ 935 million) for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. At the same time, the price for one seat in the "Union" for the Americans was constantly growing. In 2008, it cost Americans $ 21,8 million, and in 2018 - already $ 82 million. Over 10 years, the price has almost quadrupled.

      It is not surprising that, against such a background, the Americans thought about an alternative to the Russian Soyuz. NASA launched a program for the development of private manned spacecraft - more than $ 8 billion was allocated for it.As follows from the 2016 NASA presentation, companies such as Boeing and SpaceX are ready to send Americans into space much cheaper than Roscosmos - for $ 58 million.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 4 October 2019 11: 21
        +2
        Do not tell them the truth zaminusut))) you need to shout uraaa
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 4 October 2019 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: Clever man
          Do not tell them the truth zaminusut))) you need to shout uraaa

          There is such a thing))))
      2. Aqr009
        Aqr009 4 October 2019 11: 39
        +12
        At the same time, the price for one seat in the "Union" for the Americans was constantly growing. In 2008, it cost Americans $ 21,8 million, and in 2018 - already $ 82 million.


        It's just that the Americans used to be thin, but now they are too hungry. It is because of them that the Soyuz capacity has to be constantly increased laughing
      3. Maxwrx
        Maxwrx 4 October 2019 12: 32
        +2
        Not quite so. We began to bend prices to them when they said that they would refuse our delivery. And when we are monopolists and there is nothing left to lose, we raised prices and did the right thing. Prior to this, price increases were for the domestic market. Yes, and 22 million per place - it is indecently cheap. As for the price of American ships, you are disingenuous, Boeing and Spaceics are ready to send 6 astronauts at that price, but in reality, according to their plans, they have no more than 4, but they can easily cost 3. 1-2 people flew unions 4 times a year, which is much more convenient for crew rotation than flying 2 times a year. Therefore, the price of 58 million (spaceix, Boeing more expensive) must be multiplied by 1,5 / 2 times. The reliability of the union is tested and it is very high! Of course it is outdated, but it performs its functions and most importantly - reliably! The essence of rejecting us is certainly not in the economy.
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 4 October 2019 15: 06
          +6
          After all, the United States is a rich country, and if so, tickets for them should be more expensive, according to a progressive scale! yes So everything is chin-chin !!! wassat soldier
    7. regulus
      regulus 4 October 2019 16: 26
      0
      This is another hole in the Roskosmos budget ...
  2. AICEMAN1988
    AICEMAN1988 4 October 2019 10: 07
    +8
    And right !!!! Well done mattress ... There is nothing on the ships of the eternal aggressor of the warriors of light to send into orbit .... Let them sit at home)
    1. vadsonen
      vadsonen 4 October 2019 12: 08
      0
      And what are you doing from the xoxlov? Those are also evil grandmother's ears freeze. The Americans paid a lot of money for delivery, supported Russian rocket science. Soon they will stop. Urrryaya !!!
  3. usr01
    usr01 4 October 2019 10: 09
    +1
    ... indefinite time ...

    Well then - we will deliver them food, water, air .......
    BUT! at a completely different price!
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 4 October 2019 11: 01
      -23
      It's simple when you sit exactly on the pope, and the competitor develops, you fly out of the market)) which I sincerely wish Roskosmos))
      1. Nikolka
        Nikolka 4 October 2019 11: 29
        +12
        You just do not spray the clave with saliva. Well-wisher ...
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 4 October 2019 14: 07
          -6
          My words should be taken as constructive criticism, the problem in the industry was about 5 years ago and no one was doing anything, and now who is to blame ?! Vasyaayaya !!!!!
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 October 2019 10: 15
    0
    USA refuse flights to ISS on Soyuz
    When they get down to business then. And when will we abandon the ISS?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 October 2019 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      When they get down to business then. And when will we abandon the ISS?

      Yes, that he is not glued here.
      1. axiles100682
        axiles100682 4 October 2019 10: 41
        +6
        Well, this is not a business matter. Most likely they want to squeeze out everything that is possible from the ISS, but then each of them will build their own "mansions". It saddens me more that we gave our "partner" something that cannot be returned, this is an invaluable experience of construction long-term space stations, experience in their maintenance, etc., etc.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 4 October 2019 11: 07
          +7
          So it's hard to pull your station. Plus there is no understanding why. That is, in its current form - the ISS is working in a strong minus. Now there are many concepts of the stations of the future.

          Tourist is a small hotel. Here's an example of this:


          Or assembled from separate rooms - like this, here the truth will be expensive 200 for a day, provided that it is fully loaded.


          Another option is a research station. It assumes the constant presence of personnel who are engaged only in the maintenance of the station and are generally freed from scientific work.

          At the same time, scientific units must be equipped with modular equipment + large volumes. The essence of the concept is the implementation of a mass of experiments by various institutes and companies:
          - a set of equipment is imported into the scientific module and the personnel mount it.
          - A passenger ship flies next with 3-4 scientific staff who trained 3-5 for weeks.
          - They have been working for several months on their research program. Complete it.
          - the equipment is packed and flies away on a truck.
          - 3-4 employee fly home.
          - A new truck carries a new set of experiments.
          - A new passenger ship carries a new team of scientists.

          That is, it is necessary to achieve:
          - a large volume and high opportunities for the transformation of the scientific module.
          - optimize the passenger training program, reduce its cost, and expand health tolerances.
          - Form a pool of scientific work for the maximum load of the station.
          1. axiles100682
            axiles100682 4 October 2019 11: 19
            +1
            Well, they kept the WORLD in the worst years to the last. You can go this route. And earn money from tourists, and do science from tourism. Yes, and whoever wants to develop their own space program? The same Turkish cosmonauts can be trained or Jewish.
            1. zlinn
              zlinn 4 October 2019 16: 48
              0
              The world to the last was kept at the expense of the Americans, and the world-shuttle program, which by and large simply saved the Russian cosmonautics,
              1. slipped
                slipped 4 October 2019 20: 10
                0
                Quote: zlinn
                The world to the last was kept at the expense of the Americans, and the world-shuttle program, which by and large simply saved the Russian cosmonautics,


                Like the American shuttles from the cessation of their flights 20 years earlier.
          2. axiles100682
            axiles100682 4 October 2019 11: 21
            0
            There are also small countries that would like to do science in space, but there will never be the opportunity to do it yourself
          3. smart ass
            smart ass 4 October 2019 14: 09
            -7
            Rogozin has more options, I think))) only all options like a skyscraper of Roskosmos to build higher)))
        2. Brturin
          Brturin 4 October 2019 12: 36
          +1
          Quote: axiles100682
          . Most likely they want to squeeze out everything that is possible with the ISS

          It will survive, of course, only while it is necessary to squeeze it, but here the docking system failed, they will change, and such a "knot" requiring replacement in terms of resource is not alone ... to fly to the ISS is one thing ... but what after 2024 ... last February Trump promised to "privatize" the American segment. They promise that the launch of the Nauka module to the ISS will take place in November 2020 ... in 2015 - "The configuration of a multipurpose laboratory module (MLM), a nodal module (UM) and a scientific energy module (NEM) allows creating a promising Russian orbital station to solve the problems of ensuring Russia's guaranteed access to space "... The states will fly themselves, let them fly, the main thing is that our flights are useful (science, tourism ...) and there are more of them ...
          1. axiles100682
            axiles100682 4 October 2019 12: 51
            -1
            Am I really against separating from the Americans? I don’t like this idea from the ISS from the very beginning. I just suggested why we are still holding on to the ISS. Well, and new modules in which case it will be possible to defend and dock to the MIR-2 station. time already trash flood nafig.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 4 October 2019 10: 25
      -10
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      USA refuse flights to ISS on Soyuz
      When they get down to business then. And when will we abandon the ISS?

      Refuse the computer, it is obviously enemy wink
      1. Prutkov
        Prutkov 4 October 2019 10: 52
        +8
        He is Chinese. The Chinese, it seems, are not enemies.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 4 October 2019 13: 29
          -7
          Quote: Rods
          He is chinese

          Well, turbopatriots have everything that is not domestic until the last screw - it is hostile.

          Quote: Rods
          The Chinese, it seems, are not enemies.

          More accurately, not everyone here also thinks laughing
        2. UserGun
          UserGun 4 October 2019 13: 36
          +2
          What Chinese is he ?! Let's take it apart and it turns out ... If it is a laptop, then it means Intel or AMD CPUs (striped scum), RAM pagan American, South Korean or Japanese, screw from Thailand, display matrix South Korean or Japanese, video card again pagan American or Canadian, north and south bridge again theirs wink LG plastic laughing At best, the assembly is only Chinese.
        3. smart ass
          smart ass 4 October 2019 14: 19
          -6
          And the software you have is not Windows accidentally aaaaa ??? Do not know how to be clever do not start)))
          1. UserGun
            UserGun 4 October 2019 16: 10
            +1
            Basically, yes, the good old Windows, it often happens under Linux, has to do it by occupation. And what?
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 4 October 2019 21: 06
              -2
              And the fact that Windows Made in California
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 4 October 2019 10: 28
    +7
    Now it is sad / too late to change. The locomotive is gone, but the "trampoline" ... will / will not do it, we'll see.
  6. Prutkov
    Prutkov 4 October 2019 10: 50
    +2
    The global trend, however, is the development of national projects and the rejection of international ones. Therefore, it makes no sense to “click with a beak” on Ilona Mask, and create your long-term space exploration programs for years to come.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 5 October 2019 08: 35
      -3
      No need to create programs, just look for extreme
  7. HAM
    HAM 4 October 2019 11: 05
    +2
    This is the case with the Yankee flight to the moon: as a man in the street, they convinced me that they were there ... But as an engineer, no. Having such a base, you can't even fly into orbit ... a paradox. , if they just didn't exist). So with Musk, so far only promises and PR / ... flights and "bounces" are not convincing.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 October 2019 11: 35
      -5
      "well, all the developments could not disappear without a trace, if they simply did not exist" ////
      ----
      Nothing is gone. But outdated. In museums and two rockets with engines,
      and landing modules, and lunar modules (which remained unused).
      You can see everything if you come to the States as a tourist. And if you are an engineer,
      then more of these posts in the style of "flat earth", I hope you will not write.
      ----
      But the junk cannot be pulled out of museums, but new ones should be done. These are new projects.
      1. ultra
        ultra 4 October 2019 13: 32
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Nothing is gone. But outdated. In museums and two rockets with engines,
        and landing modules, and lunar modules (which remained unused).

        As we flew on "chemical" engines, we fly. Musk's engines are inferior in characteristics to their Soviet 60s, but this does not prevent your brothers from carrying it on their hands, as a source of progress in space.
        1. zlinn
          zlinn 4 October 2019 16: 02
          -1
          So after all, they are just not inferior in characteristics, moreover, they are reusable, and raptors generally have no analogues
      2. isker
        isker 4 October 2019 13: 54
        +3
        burn yet! especially about the rockets in the museum ...)))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 October 2019 18: 30
          -5
          Here she is. Saturn V at Kennedy Space Center
        2. Harry.km
          Harry.km 4 October 2019 20: 31
          -2
          Quote: isker
          burn yet! especially about the rockets in the museum ...)))

          21 century in the yard. It would seem that all these silly “theories” should have disappeared long ago in the darkness of time. But no, each time, like the heads of a hydra, they again, time after time, climb out again and again to the surface. And well, somewhere in YouTube or classmates ... no! They crawled out even here, on a seemingly resource for people not deprived of their minds.
          Americans have long realized that it makes no sense to fool themselves with stories about the cosmic void. They are pragmatic people. They no longer need fairy tales about giant rockets ... It’s enough that they have rockets on our RD-180. With these missiles, the satellites retransmitters and fasten to the firmament, 23-mm two-component anchor nano-bolts.
          I don’t understand why you need to invent extra entities when there is such a simple and understandable device as an anchor bolt.
          By the way, in our Roskomos we realized that it makes no sense to deceive compatriots and came up with a robot Fedya, so he apparently should be engaged in tightening the anchor bolts. So all of us earthlings are fine. But just to know all the same, the edge of the earth is steep or gentle ...
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 4 October 2019 14: 21
        -7
        Straight from the tongue took a well done)
  8. RUSS
    RUSS 4 October 2019 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: Rods
    He is Chinese. The Chinese, it seems, are not enemies.

    What about software?
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 4 October 2019 14: 22
      -5
      Do not bother, he does not know what software is))) he is one of those who calls the system unit processor)
  9. Errr
    Errr 4 October 2019 11: 25
    +4
    ... in the fall of 2020, for the first time in history, an exclusively Russian crew will fly to the ISS.
    Did I miss something? Japanese Akihiko Hoshide will not fly? In fact, it is he who should fly in the spring of 2020, and the American Christopher Cassidy - only in the fall.
  10. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 4 October 2019 11: 27
    +3
    Moreover, it will not consist of two cosmonauts, but of three, since it was decided to increase their number at the station. Thus, there will be no place to place an American on this ship.
    If the Americans change their minds and pay, then I guess that there is a place ... Just ours will not fly, and that’s it ...
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2019 11: 29
    +6
    Americans ignored Moscow’s repeated calls not to rush to refuse services and play safe
    Moscow's calls are clear - money is never superfluous. But in the matter of flights to orbit, let the Americans have a headache, and it is really high time for us to stop trying to persuade anyone (especially the Americans) on various issues. There are big doubts that after 2020 the United States will cope with this task, because before that, they had repeatedly announced their refusal to fly on Soyuz, and to use exclusively their own delivery vehicles, but they postponed everything.
    1. armata_armata
      armata_armata 4 October 2019 11: 38
      -1
      But on the issue of flying into orbit, let Americans have a headache

      All run into finance, if Roskosmos can exist without foreign funds, there are no questions, if it can’t ....
      There are big doubts that after 2020 the United States will cope with this task.

      If they need to cope, moreover, the fact that they will refuse the services of Roskosmos is far from news, all this was known in advance
  12. Prutkov
    Prutkov 4 October 2019 11: 52
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Rods
    He is Chinese. The Chinese, it seems, are not enemies.

    What about software?

    Unlicensed Windows or Linux of unknown build? Don't be sad about it. If I were in the place of the government of the Russian Federation, in response to the American sanctions, I would create a kind of "licensed offshore" - a territory free from American licensing law. It is possible to create such a zone in Crimea. And they would not have sculpted "Windows", but, say, "Panels", not "Office", but "Office", etc.
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 4 October 2019 16: 28
      -1
      Quote: Rods
      It is possible to create such a zone in Crimea. And they would not have sculpted "Windows", but, say, "Panels", not "Office", but "Office", etc.

      in response, all products released on unlicensed software will be blocked throughout the European Union, and they will be able to block all over the world simply by filing lawsuits in local courts ...
  13. valley64
    valley64 4 October 2019 12: 00
    -1
    Let them fly my Starliner and Crew Dragon trampolines with the striped flag in their hands
  14. Zefr
    Zefr 4 October 2019 12: 12
    +2
    Yes, it will be very necessary, the Americans will simply offer a double price, and our cosmonauts will leave their own, because it suddenly turns out that something is not ready for them
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 October 2019 12: 18
    -3
    Under this "brand" it would not be bad to stop selling our rocket engines to "these chosen ones", at the same time it would be enough to supply Boeing with Russian titanium; business and nothing personal-Competition in one word gentlemen !!!
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 4 October 2019 16: 31
      -2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Under this "brand" it would not be bad to stop selling our rocket engines to "these chosen ones", at the same time it would be enough to supply Boeing with Russian titanium

      so it’s not your engines, but a private office that made an order and bought the rights to these engines. Well, if you really want to violate your own constitution (although lately they have been wiping their feet about it). Well, here is the question of who else will twist their hands, if a Boeing prohibits the supply of spare parts, then everyone sailed.
      As for titanium, the idea is ingenious, only suppliers are enough without Russia.
  16. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 4 October 2019 13: 11
    +2
    So it begs on the tongue: "I don't like it at the Unions - fly to the Apollo."
  17. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 13: 18
    +4
    Quote: Clever man
    Well done striped, jammed Roskosmos, Rogozin hi !!! Sewing trampolines

    How the newspaper Pravda mutilated you. Plans are indistinguishable from reality. the Americans have not yet launched a single crewed ship, even a wooden one. The certification of the rescue option in case of an accident at the start has not been carried out. The ability to save people is well shown on the F-35 catapults. Efficiency in the region of half. Either he will be alive, or not. Freight launches are not the same as with crews. The acceleration is different. And throttling the engines to reduce acceleration consumes fuel at a different rate. Don't have chaff in your head ...
    1. isker
      isker 4 October 2019 13: 57
      +1
      Americans will NEVER build their ship fit for the flight of PEOPLE ... NEVER!
      start building them right now - they will only need 5-7 years for testing equipment, provided that they know the future parameters ... karochi - bullshit is everything!
      only - they can buy from the Chinese, for localization ... but pride will not allow them to do this, so it's time to tie up with myths ...
    2. zlinn
      zlinn 4 October 2019 16: 56
      -4
      The Americans have done so far the most manned launches, and people were transported into space three times as many as Russia-USSR, well, they got a timeout lasting 8 years, so what’s the result of the drink will fly again, it's just a pity time was not used by the Russian space industry for anything useful for the future
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 4 October 2019 18: 08
        0
        Quote: zlinn
        The Americans so far have made the most manned launches, and people were transported into space three times more than Russia-USSR ...

        ... and they laid the people down - also more than Russia-USSR ... Maladians, to some people request

        PS: about "more launches" - in more detail from now, plz yes
        1. zlinn
          zlinn 4 October 2019 21: 32
          -1
          Well, 6 Mercury, 10 Gemini, 15 Apollos and 135 shuttles, and that 166
        2. zlinn
          zlinn 4 October 2019 21: 53
          -1
          6 east, 2 sunrises, and 141 alliances, and that 149, maybe I missed a couple, but still the staff has more
  18. Old26
    Old26 4 October 2019 13: 25
    +5
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: FenH
    And NASA seems to disagree with the article wink
    https://ria.ru/20191002/1559340327.html


    But it doesn’t matter whether it agrees or not. They have only one seat reserved. And we have a lot of VCS planned for next year and we need a third crew member of the ISS RS. We are talking about subsequent years.

    I have a question for you, comrade. Two ships per year (manned). Is there enough. In that sense, how long can Soyuz be in orbit in a docked state?
    1. slipped
      slipped 4 October 2019 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: Old26


      I have a question for you, comrade. Two ships per year (manned). Is there enough. In that sense, how long can Soyuz be in orbit in a docked state?


      Yes, everything is simple. At the station, if there is a crew on it, 2 Soyuz spacecraft should be docked as "lifeboats." This is due to the fact that the station can be "pulled" by only six people for more than two weeks, otherwise its coolant will die. The Soyuz MS spacecraft can be in the station for about six months and there is a possibility that this period will be increased. In addition, their number is sufficient for three people of the Russian crew. In the course of the flight, other ships may arrive at the station, bringing another 6 people and a store for them with him on short visits of two weeks. Thus, it is possible to bring "space tourists" and astronauts of other agencies back and forth on short-term programs.
  19. Esaul
    Esaul 4 October 2019 13: 31
    +1
    So next years we will be alone at the MSC, and the Yankees will be looking up at the sky
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 4 October 2019 16: 58
      -1
      It is hardly possible to operate the ISS without Americans
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 4 October 2019 17: 35
      -2
      Quote: Esaul
      So next years we will be alone at the MSC, and the Yankees will be looking up at the sky

      Americans will be able to create their own station, for example Skylab-2.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 4 October 2019 21: 10
        -1
        Well, why do you spoil the mood for yourselves, you profiled space, you need to find the fault, and who is this? Of course, you!!!! Well, I still ruined him as I could.
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 4 October 2019 13: 46
    +3
    Quote: RUSS
    Crew Dragon is not the only threat: in parallel with SpaceX, the manned spacecraft Starliner, by order of NASA, is also developing Boeing, flight tests began in 2019. These two ships - Crew Dragon and Starliner - should completely solve the problem of delivering astronauts to the station by 2021 rid NASA of its dependence on Roskosmos.

    It is said that the issue should be resolved in 2020, and not by the 21st. In addition, a year for flight safety testing is some kind of not-so-realistic figure, IMHO.
  21. Berkut24
    Berkut24 4 October 2019 14: 24
    +2
    No matter how the last Union did not have to send a barn lock to the ISS.
  22. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 14: 36
    +4
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: slipped
    Quote: FenH
    And NASA seems to disagree with the article wink
    https://ria.ru/20191002/1559340327.html


    But it doesn’t matter whether it agrees or not. They have only one seat reserved. And we have a lot of VCS planned for next year and we need a third crew member of the ISS RS. We are talking about subsequent years.

    I have a question for you, comrade. Two ships per year (manned). Is there enough. In that sense, how long can Soyuz be in orbit in a docked state?

    The number and duration of residence at the station have little to do with the life of the ships themselves. If the ship lives less than the flight plans of the crews, then who prevents to change the ship and dock a new one, to replace the aging one in the station. The main thing is not to leave "extra" people at the station for a second, without providing them with urgent evacuation at any time on the ship. The rule is not shaky - how many people are at the station, the same number of seats should be on ships docked to the station. You witnessed the execution of this law - it was not possible to dock the machine to the station. there was an offer to dock it to another port. But he was busy with the ship. It was not directly done to undock and redock it to another port in order to free this port for the machine. They put people on the docked ship, docked the ship with them to another port, freeing it for the machine gun. So, we have everything thought out with these matters.
  23. Dikson
    Dikson 4 October 2019 15: 45
    +1
    I will not be happy in general. For there isn’t much to do with it .. Less flights, less work. Both on Earth and in space. The question is different. There will be supposedly no Americans for a whole year on the ISS .. And who will monitor the status of their modules? And will our cosmonauts have access to any modules other than Russian ones? Any problems in the ISS systems will suddenly start? Well, there, computers suddenly begin to break down, the lights blink .. Again, some holes will be drilled ... I think that the Americans simply will not allow Russia to use the ISS alone. There are reasons or circumstances.
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 16: 05
    +3
    Quote: Clever man
    We will laugh together when the Americans will carry on their ships)) hello

    Laughs well one who laughs without consequences.
    Get started. We will fly there on an equal footing, both ours and American. So what are you going to, and where?
  25. Baikonur
    Baikonur 4 October 2019 16: 09
    0
    "The USA refuses to fly to the ISS on the Soyuz"
    H.SNMiiiii
  26. Lontus
    Lontus 4 October 2019 16: 14
    +1
    What's again?? (with)
    For many years, such stories have been laid out several times a year - but always break off, since the Americans cannot launch a manned space capsule.
    And now, only everyone spread this "news" as NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine said that due to constant delays in the first launches of new American spacecraft with crews, the agency will most likely have to buy additional seats on Soyuz in 2020 to ensure the presence of their astronauts on the ISS.

    The only thing that surprises is something else - very many do not compare the facts and each time they react with pathological clown enthusiasm to the next statements about "refusing to fly to the Union."
  27. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 16: 20
    -2
    Quote: Dikson
    I will not be happy in general. For there isn’t much to do with it .. Less flights, less work. Both on Earth and in space. The question is different. There will be supposedly no Americans for a whole year on the ISS .. And who will monitor the status of their modules? And will our cosmonauts have access to any modules other than Russian ones? Any problems in the ISS systems will suddenly start? Well, there, computers suddenly begin to break down, the lights blink .. Again, some holes will be drilled ... I think that the Americans simply will not allow Russia to use the ISS alone. There are reasons or circumstances.

    Yes, these are just your assumptions. Things are much more serious and not hypothetical, but real. The fact is that the ISS, no matter how it was in Space, but a slight residual atmosphere nevertheless slows down the station, and it gradually decreases. And several times a year it needs to be raised a little higher. At 100, approximately, kilometers. If this is not done, then after just two or four years of non-interference, it will simply enter the denser layers of the atmosphere and fall.
    Next.
    It can only be lifted by docking to the Russian block located at the root of the station, in the geometric center, and located in the center of mass. You cannot pick it up from any other place. It will twist and the solar panels may crumble. But for this, the docking station, engine characteristics, etc. must correspond to the parameters of our ship. Let's see how our sworn friends will manage to manage ... If they continue to be rude, we have the right to refuse to participate and undock our blocks, creating our own station from them separately, albeit in a truncated form. The ISS without our blocks, the foundation of the entire structure, is not suitable for anything. It cannot even be safely de-orbited and drowned, as we drowned our silent Mir station, and it will fall on our heads entirely and into an unpredictable place on Earth.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 October 2019 18: 40
      -2
      "undock your blocks, creating your own station from them separately,
      albeit in a truncated form "///
      ----
      Will not work. Electricity is generated by American blocks.
      Everyone needs the station equally. drinks
      1. slipped
        slipped 4 October 2019 20: 52
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Will not work. Electricity is generated by American blocks.


        This is actually possible. For example, to install an additional SB on SM "Zvezda", as was installed at one time on the BB of the OPS "Mir". But then of course the ISS AS kirdyk and international cooperation in space. At the same time, the SM flew off its warranty period in space and there is no point in making a station on its basis. Hypothetically, it is possible to make a station based on new modules that are just getting ready for launch. MLM-U, UM and NEM-1 are quite autonomous in combination. Moreover, there is also an option to upgrade them with additional modules.

        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 October 2019 21: 12
          -5
          At the station, in fact, now (in recent years) an interesting
          research work. And applied technological research.
          They brought 3-D printers, raw materials, an opportunity
          return products to the Dragons Mask back to Earth.
          1. slipped
            slipped 4 October 2019 21: 19
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Actually, at the station (in recent years), an interesting research work is underway. And applied technological research.


            She was always there. You just somehow did not know about it. laughing Technology does not stand still.

            Quote: voyaka uh
            They brought 3-D printers, raw materials, an opportunity
            return products to the Dragons Mask back to Earth.


            There would be something to return. With the appearance of MLM-U at the station next year, Russia will also have its own GVK, since this module can be used for pilot production. In the meantime, ready-made experimental materials of our 3-D Bioprinter, as well as the results of other experiments, can be returned to the Soyuz MS.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 October 2019 22: 05
              -6
              "It was always conducted there. It's just that you somehow didn't know about it" ///
              ----
              Somehow I read something about it. smile
              The main scientific work was: astronauts from boredom fotkali
              Earth through the portholes. There were devices with a gulkin nose.
              Then the Japanese became interested in all kinds of films and substrates
              for electronics in zero gravity. They are leaders in this field.
              And they brought there really interesting devices.
              And now it's like a "factory". And not alone. And the products are lowered onto reusable
              Dragons.
              1. slipped
                slipped 4 October 2019 23: 55
                +3
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Somehow I read something about it. smile


                You read something wrong and not there. laughing

                From 2000 to today, experiments and studies have been conducted on the ISS RS in the following areas:

                - Biomedical research
                - Geophysical exploration
                - Research of the Earth's natural resources
                - Space biotechnology
                - Cosmic ray research
                - Space technology and materials science
                - Physico-chemical processes and materials in space
                - man in space

                In addition, contract work is carried out, including with foreign customers.

                A list of all experiments and the results on them is available on the network both on the RKK website and on the TsNIIMash website.
    2. Arturov
      Arturov 4 October 2019 20: 07
      -1
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      If they continue to get lame, we have the right to refuse to participate and undock our blocks,

      they haven’t been able to start a laboratory for 20 years already, the trampoline genius has been added, do not console yourself with illusions, without amers, they cannot support the station in Rogozmos, alone.
  28. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 4 October 2019 16: 39
    +3
    Hmm .. In my memory, they have repeatedly declared oneta refusal to fly on Russian carriers..We will see what happens now ... In general, you need to put this device on the ISS and build your own ...
  29. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 17: 32
    +1
    Quote: zlinn
    The Americans have done so far the most manned launches, and people were transported into space three times as many as Russia-USSR, well, they got a timeout lasting 8 years, so what’s the result of the drink will fly again, it's just a pity time was not used by the Russian space industry for anything useful for the future



    An illiterate scumbag doesn't know how to look at facts.
  30. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 17: 53
    +1
    Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
    Hmm .. In my memory, they have repeatedly declared oneta refusal to fly on Russian carriers..We will see what happens now ... In general, you need to put this device on the ISS and build your own ...

    And what to build it? It is more than 90% finished. Undock your blocks, add two under construction for 20 years, and assemble them in orbit from them. And let the trash left by the ISS tumble there until it falls on its head, it is not clear where and to whom. Our blocks are the foundation of the ISS. Without them, this is a set that neither lift nor move.
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 4 October 2019 20: 12
      -3
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      And let the trash left by the ISS tumble there until it falls on its head, it is not clear where and to whom. Our blocks are the foundation of the ISS. Without them, this is a set that neither lift nor move.

      who will give you this nonsense to disconnect on the JOINT PROJECT without the permission of other partners and not only the USA ?? And what will you start the blocks on, on the trampoline?
  31. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 20: 13
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "undock your blocks, creating your own station from them separately,
    albeit in a truncated form "///
    ----
    Will not work. Electricity is generated by American blocks.
    Everyone needs the station equally. drinks

    Electricity sufficient to undock, and functioning autonomously enough. Can you tell me how the Russian part flew at the beginning almost a year before the assembly of the main part of the station? Two blocks, lying on the Earth for many years, to complete and run. While they were in agreement, they were treated by strangers, and did not finish theirs. When necessary, finish it.
    There is little science, intelligence, and limited experiments in the interests of the Defense Ministry, there are enough resources.
  32. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 4 October 2019 20: 41
    +2
    Did Ragozin really become a prophet and would the Americans really need to use a trampoline?
  33. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 4 October 2019 21: 37
    0
    Quote: Arturov
    Quote: Vkd dvk
    And let the trash left by the ISS tumble there until it falls on its head, it is not clear where and to whom. Our blocks are the foundation of the ISS. Without them, this is a set that neither lift nor move.

    who will give you this nonsense to disconnect on the JOINT PROJECT without the permission of other partners and not only the USA ?? And what will you start the blocks on, on the trampoline?

    The property will allow. The blocks are Russian and no one will interfere with using them at our discretion. As we cannot control the Japanese module, the Canadian, the American, in the same way they are. It is only possible on lease use time. Projects that involve JOINT use. They are not here.
    Blocks of the Russian part were displayed on Russian media. And they will, if they are needed and will be ready.
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 5 October 2019 00: 31
      -4
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      The property will allow. The blocks are Russian and no one will interfere with using them at our discretion.

      will not allow, like the Americans to disconnect their blocks. This is not provided for by the contract, and is technically impossible.
  34. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 5 October 2019 09: 29
    0
    Quote: Arturov
    Quote: Vkd dvk
    The property will allow. The blocks are Russian and no one will interfere with using them at our discretion.

    will not allow, like the Americans to disconnect their blocks. This is not provided for by the contract, and is technically impossible.

    Do not sculpt humpbacked.
    In the case of a decision to end the operation of the station, it is planned to bring it out of orbit. At this time, financing and operation of the ISS for 2024 inclusive has been agreed, a further extension cycle to 2028, 2030 is being considered. The proposals of the separation of the Russian segment of three modules from the ISS in 2024 (the “laboratory module”, the nodal module, the “scientific and energy module”) and the creation of a national space station on their basis were considered. Technically possible. Legally possible. We stop financing, and undock.

    Planned:
    In 2020. [36] It is planned to dock the Russian 25-ton multifunctional laboratory module (MLM) Nauka to the ISS. It will fall into place of the Pier module, which will be undocked and flooded. Among other things, the new Russian module will take over the functions of the Pier.

    After docking the Nauka module with the ISS, it is planned to dock the nodal module with additional docking nodes [2022] to the Russian segment in 36, as well as the NEM-1 science and energy module (in 2022) [36], and the module was also previously planned "NEM-2" [37].


    If a decision is made to end the cooperation, new blocks can already be docked to the Russian station.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 5 October 2019 09: 49
      0
      Since the possibility of extending the operation was considered, the resources of iron were therefore not fully exhausted. No one will risk doing this without confidence. You need to think with your head, not your ass. And from the available information to choose the truth. Russia, in the end, can remember what it is and send everyone to ..... And make it a goat’s face there.
  35. DPN
    DPN 5 October 2019 21: 11
    0
    “We pay about $ 85 million per seat,” Pence said.
    Yes, for that kind of money, our oligarchs themselves fly on an excursion.
  36. Basarev
    Basarev 5 October 2019 21: 33
    -2
    Russia also needs a new ship. The elderly triple Union looks ridiculously against the background of the seven-seater Dragon.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 6 October 2019 04: 53
      +2
      I will answer you this way, the Soyuz ship has already taken place as a reliable ship a long time ago, but Dragon is not a ship at all yet, because it has no statistics at all! The operation of the Dragon will show if there is any reason for laughter. The fact is that the loud laugh from the use of shuttles, as you know, ended in bitter tears ..