Opponents of the world. "Anti-Steinmeier" Maidan is being prepared in Ukraine

Weak hope for peace

Participants in the contact group, including Donetsk and Lugansk, signed the long-suffering Steinmeier formula. Initially, this document was a step towards a peaceful settlement of the armed conflict in the Donbass. So far, individual political forces have not tried to distort the meaning of this (albeit symbolic) gesture to fool and fool Ukrainian society.

On the whole, the results of the meeting of the participants in the contact group were positively evaluated in the foreign affairs agencies of Russia, Germany, and France. A step on the road to peace was welcomed in the self-proclaimed republics of the DPR and LPR. Still would! The harmonization of the document revived the Minsk agreements from the ashes, opened the way to the negotiations of the "Norman Four" in Paris and gave little hope for peace.

Exposing the “Kremlin” conspiracy

This alignment of affairs did not suit a separate handful of Ukrainian people's deputies who saw in the “formula” a conspiracy and “Putin’s ingenious plan” to grant LDNR a special status on Russian conditions. In particular, the leaders of the political parties “European Solidarity”, “Fatherland”, “Voice” accused Zelensky of trying to surrender the territory of Russia, and equated the “formula” with a threat to national security and an attempt to undermine the country's sovereignty. These are the results of the verbiage Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Parubiya in the Verkhovna Rada of 2 October.

Oil was added to the fire by local journalists, who called for recognition of the defeat of Ukraine in connection with the signing of the "surrender act" in Minsk.

However, activists of nationalist movements are not yet ready to capitulate and have launched violent activity against the "anti-state solution" and personally against Zelensky. On the night of 1 on 2 October, the action “No surrender” began on the streets of Kiev. Several hundred activists from the "National Corps", "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), VO "Freedom", as well as ATO veterans picketed government buildings and the territory of law enforcement agencies.

Protests took place in Kharkov, Mariupol, Lviv. In the Dnieper (former Dnepropetrovsk), the radicals turned up at the local branch of the SBU, demanding to present the document signed by Kuchma. Activists in Cherkasy made similar demands, where they drove car tires to the SBU.

The “National Corps” and the Azov volunteer battalion are sure that the “Steinmeier formula” is a kind of Trojan horse in Kiev, which will allow pro-Russian power to be established in the DPR and LPR as a result of the elections. At the same time, Ukrainian patriots for some reason forget about Minsk-1 and Minsk-2, where even the previous president agreed to vote in the Donbas according to Ukrainian laws.

New Maidan in the name of the fighting in the Donbass

It can be assumed that opponents of the “formula” are not interested in peace negotiations and are considering only a forceful option to return the lost territories. It seems that the deputies in the "European Solidarity" or "Fatherland" still do not care about civilians who continue to die in the course of hostilities.

Today, the document signed in Minsk is considered by political opponents of Zelensky as an opportunity to strengthen their own positions.

For Poroshenko, for example, protest moods and nationalistic statements are a chance to enlist even more support from the radicals and thereby delay the prosecution by the Prosecutor General.

But Pyotr Alekseevich must understand that even if a new Maidan happens in the country, no one will give him the presidency anymore. Enough. They ate.

Comments

[Tatyana]

Several hundred activists from the "National Corps", "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), VO "Freedom", as well as ATO veterans picketed government buildings and the territory of law enforcement agencies.

That's always like that! Practice correctly shows that for a coup d'etat and a change of power in the country, it is enough to activate only 6% of the population EXACTLY in CENTRAL cities - in response to non-response of the armed forces in the country!
And a handful of SCREAMS with a population of only up to 6% of the population will literally sit on the neck in life for all the other 94% of the country's inhabitants and will dictate their totalitarian-ultimate living conditions to them!

[Vladimir16]

Come on, Madame, get nervous and blow bubbles - coup, coup ....
How is your script different from "legal"?
For the elections, you need to connect the media (this is less than 6% of the population).
As a result, the people themselves will "choose" a leader with whom they can meet in the media.

True popular power is not a priori. They rule over the people, but not vice versa.

Elections have the option of giving legitimacy (now it’s fashionable to say legitimacy ) the power of a group of persons over the entire population of the country.

The people can only rebel if they understand that there is no more strength to endure this very legitimate authority.
But the most interesting thing is that it is impossible to predict the actions of the new government. Therefore, we (the people) will again "legally" choose a pig in a poke.
The cat will introduce us to the media.

Zelensky elected legally?
Let them deal with their legitimate authority themselves.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vladimir16

How is your script different from "legal"?

Bloodshed!

[Vladimir16]

1. How do you feel about the 1917 Revolution of the year?
2. If the government changed without bloodshed, but as a result of the action of this "legitimate" government, the population of the country was reduced by several million people, this is not "bloodshed"?
3. Is the extinction of the population "legal"?

And the last question for you:
- Is the resistance of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR "legally" to the elected authorities in Ukraine not "legal"?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vladimir16

1. How do you feel about the 1917 Revolution of the year?
2. If the power was replaced without bloodshed, but as a result of the action of this legitimate "power" the country's population was reduced by several million people, this is not "bloodshed"?

Who told you that power in Petrograd changed without bloodshed?

[Alexander Suvorov]

"There is no exact information about the losses of the sides. It is surely known that six soldiers and one shock woman were killed [25]." Although I do not like to refer to "Aunt Vika", but nevertheless ... You must admit that this is minuscule for a change of power in the country. In 1993, many more people died in Moscow.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

"There is no exact information about the losses of the sides. It is surely known that six soldiers and one shock woman were killed [25]." Although I do not like to refer to "Aunt Vika", but nevertheless ... You must admit that this is minuscule for a change of power in the country. In 1993, many more people died in Moscow.

You simply did not read the factorological materials of resistance to the Bolshevik coup by the so-called. "White Guard", formed in the days of the October Revolution of 1917 in the same Moscow. Many young people aged 18-19 were killed and simply killed there - mainly cadets and students, as well as 1/3 of the officers of army and military schools.

"Junkers are the last knights of the Empire."

[Alexander Suvorov]

I did not write about the events in Moscow. The revolution took place in Petrograd. The events in Moscow, these are the actual consequences, then one can already consider the victims of the outbreak of the Civil War. So, according to the same logic, we can also count the losses after the collapse of the USSR, those who, according to the scoundrel Chubais, “did not fit into the market” ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

I did not write about the events in Moscow. The revolution took place in Petrograd.

For a revolution (or coup d'etat) to take place, it is necessary that it be recognized at one time throughout the country. And only then can one claim that the revolution has truly happened.
There, in Venezuela, a pro-American coup was also recently announced with an attempt to oust the President of Venezuela Maduro, but this coup was never recognized.

The events in Moscow, this is actually the consequences, then we can already consider the victims of the outbreak of the Civil War.

It was not a civil war. In a civil war, everything is much larger. And it was a matter of military fulfillment of allegiance to their oath. Do not confuse these two things!
Second. You compared the events of October 1917 of the year with the events in Moscow of the 1993 of the year.

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

"There is no exact information about the losses of the sides. It is surely known that six soldiers and one shock woman were killed [25]." Although I do not like to refer to "Aunt Vika", but nevertheless ... You must admit that this is minuscule for a change of power in the country. In 1993, many more people died in Moscow.

I answered this comparison to you.
In Moscow, 18 thousand people took part on the side of the White Guard, and on the side of the Bolsheviks 25 thousand were soldiers of the Russian army, who, under the propaganda of the Bolsheviks, did not want to go to the front to continue WWI to defend their homeland.
Only one of these soldiers was officially killed in those days in Moscow and 260 people were buried near the Kremlin wall.
And according to official data from the Russian Federation, in 1993 in Moscow, 150 people died during the White House’s defense (supposedly less than 200 - I don’t remember the exact number now).

[Alexander Suvorov]

For a revolution (or coup d'etat) to take place, it is necessary that it be recognized at one time throughout the country.

[B] [/ b] Don’t tell me ... Who asked whom when the coup d'etat took place in 1991, and then in 1993. Everything was decided in Moscow and in no other cities more. The same thing happened in Petrograd in 1917. This is a classic situation briefly described by V.I. To Lenin: when the tops can no longer, and the lower classes no longer want.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

This is a classic situation briefly described by V.I. Lenin as: when the tops can no longer, and the lower classes no longer want.

Just do not forget that agents of foreign influence can deliberately create such a situation in the country - "when the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes no longer want" as a guide to action in the interests of third countries.
Therefore, do not throw this phrase of Lenin "to the right" and "to the left"! It is necessary to take into account the historical peculiarities!

[Beringovsky]

Who asked whom, when did the coup d'etat take place in 1991?

Even more. According to the results of the referendum held on the eve of the collapse of the USSR, the people unequivocally supported the preservation of the Union. So Yeltsin and his sidekicks essentially committed a coup.

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Vladimir16

How is your script different from "legal"?

Bloodshed!

To avoid bloodshed in Ukraine, Vladimir Vladimirovich "Yeltsin-2" had to solve the problem of Ukraine back in 2014 ...

[nickname7]

Bloodshed!

Tatyana do not worry, riot police are watching.

[Beringovsky]

Riot police

At 17m, too, many were vigilant ... and watched, on their own head.

[New Year day]

Quote: Vladimir16

Come on, Madame, get nervous and blow bubbles - coup, coup ....
How is your script different from "legal"?

How do you calculate: Belovezhie is a coup or revolution? Everything was legal and what was the% support of the population?

[Alekseev]

Quote: Vladimir16

Come on, madam, get nervous and blow bubbles

That's right!
Another thing is more important to us ... Is the fight between the wide banderlogs and the so-called geyropeytsy bad or good?
Given that each other is worth it, you do not need to worry much. If ardent (broad) banderlogs win. And they can winonly by force although this is unlikely! They are still only a tool. Well, still, let them win. Will go to the "offensive" in the Donbass. You can safely defeat them, using all the power of aviation, OTRK, etc. The entire independent power will collapse, New Russia will be reborn as a federal district of the Russian Federation, and this is great.
Clamp banderlog? This is the autonomy of the Donbass, the cessation of the war and further to the collapse of the historical and cultural principle. Also not a shit, but only long and tedious.
As for the victims, then, of course, it is desirable that they not be at all. But who on the Maidan, etc. asked the desire of the victims?
They sinned as an anti-Russian sin hundreds of years ago, they sinned both during the collapse of the USSR and on the Maidan, "hey, don't jump ...", and sin is expiated not only by repentance. Often, "until the blood is shed," there is no way to atone for sin.

[nickname7]

just activate only 6% of the population

You have forgotten one more sufficient condition - law enforcement officers must dissolve themselves, either accept neutrality, or the authorities will not give an order to disperse. And, in principle, the latter can happen, as with Yanukovych, who was promised to arrest property. stored abroad, if he disperses the Maidan.

[vkl.47]

Everyone on the front line. And cover art with shelling.

[Geo]

This alignment of affairs did not suit a separate handful of Ukrainian people's deputies

All of Ukraine does not have the right to vote on its fate, especially since it does not have some bunch of people's deputies. If in Ukraine someone is doing something, it means that it was indicated to them by their respective owners. No need to cheat.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Geo

All Ukraine does not have voting rights

Do not be deceived by yourself, and do not mislead others.
Everyone has a voice in Ukraine.
Zelensky was elected by a majority vote. This is democracy.

Are you hurt that Ukrainians think differently from you?

Well, these are their problems. Why are you trying on their headache?

If in the legal elections of the President of Ukraine in Donbas all residents vote against Zelensky, then all the same Zelensky will rule. This is the right of the majority - democracy.

I saw such democracy in a coffin.
And the inhabitants of Donbas also do not want to speak a foreign language.
That is the right of the majority - democracy.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Vladimir16, I agree with you. Complementing ...
When Ukrainians say that they are not “to blame but the government is to blame”
I ask the question, "Who chooses the power ,,? And in response, silence ..

[revnagan]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

When Ukrainians say that they are not “to blame but the government is to blame”
I ask the question, "Who chooses the power ,,? And in response, silence ..

And if in this sentence the word "Ukraine" is replaced by the word "Russia", will something change? Who is to blame for the taiga burning? Who is to blame for the fact that the National Guard dislocated his arm and convicted an innocent? Who is to blame for the pension reform? then everything is in the text. Or in Russia, the power is chosen not by the people, but by the Ukrainians? They come, you know, and in spite of the Russians choose such power for them. And then they quickly leave, right? Or in Russia, voters, nodding their heads, sadly say to each other: "Yes -yes, the reform, the National Guard, the forest is on fire, incomes are falling ... But what can we do, we are to blame, we chose this power ... "Is that so with you? If so, you are certainly right. Oh, these Ukrainians themselves they chose for themselves, and they themselves cry, naive. It's good that this is not the case in the Russian Federation, and even quite the opposite.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

We started talking about Ukraine, if I'm not mistaken. But it’s better to let the taiga burn than the tires.

[revnagan]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

We started talking about Ukraine,

... and how different is it from Russia (for the worse, of course, .And gave a vivid example of how much. Because in Russia, everything is different!

[beeper]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Vladimir16, I agree with you. Complementing ...
When Ukrainians say that they are not “to blame but the government is to blame”
I ask the question, "Who chooses the power ,,? And in response, silence ..

Honestly, on the whole, Andrey Nikolaevich, I see from other comments that you seem to be an adequate person, but it is difficult to agree with this "fad" of yours - an obvious "misunderstanding" of the real situation in Ukraine!
Take the same Zelensky - although he turned out to be the leader of the protest vote under the motto "let it be better for a" green "comedian, but not a" cynical Bandera "Guts with his" army "of punishers - an endless civil war," vira "- a Christ-selling tomos and "-Rusophobic ethnocide!", but in percentage terms of low voter turnout to the total number of capable citizens, both admitted by the "Maidan authorities" to the elections, and not admitted (millions of inhabitants of the LDNR, as well as millions of Ukrainian citizens temporarily or permanently residing in the territory RF), then it turns out that a little more than 20% of the capable Ukrainian citizens who voted for him are funny, that's all! And for other "candidates" and even less, much!
So, dear Andrey Nikolaevich, to your "incorrect" question to the a priori unfree population of the amerokolony "Ukraine" I answer as a Ukrainian voter (yes, in Ukraine, everyone knows this answer, even "stubborn" Natsiks get it or have already got it, but not all admit to themselves and others! ):
The "Maidan power" - the occupation administration is chosen by the Kiev Amero-Ambassador-Gauleiter "Ukraine", because only those who meet the criteria of the American neo-colonial occupiers, in one way or another, the Ameroholui "candidate" are allowed to "democratically choose" local aborigines! But even if none of us had come to these quasi "elections", then in this case they would follow the new "Maidan laws" (including the "electoral" one, urgently adopted in 2014, immediately after the "reversal" of the anti-popular coup d'etat in Kiev!) "would be considered valid and the most" democratic in the history of independent Ukraine "!
So, it must be admitted, asking this allegedly "cunning question" of yours to any of the adequate Ukrainian citizens, you, dear Andrey Nikolaevich, deliberately present yourself as a banal victim of Banderonazi propaganda, from among the respectable Russian inhabitants who uncritically perceive the information put into their ears, therefore -that and in response to you "silence" -that to talk to such a thing ?!, in Ukraine, after all, there are also enough of the same inhabitants, duped by "ukropropaganda", who do not get everything through the "upper brain", alas!
Apparently in such an intimidated Pro-Bander disinformation of the Russian inhabitants, a large role was played by the systematic "information and discussion programs" on the Central Television of the Russian Federation with the participation of allegedly Moscow "Ukrainian political scientists" such as Kovtuns-Karasevs-Yakhns ??!
For the money of Russian taxpayers and in the most watchable time pouring cave Russophobia and ukrophobia from TV screens, flying the "Maidan regime" imposed by Washington, with all its occupying "troubles" and showing engaged freaks-Russophobes, as allegedly "representatives of broad layers of the Ukrainian population" In the minds of the majority of Russian TV viewers, the line of difference between the pro-American Kiev "occupation administration" with its lackeys-apologists (a parasitic evil handful of "Ukrainian" thieves and opportunists!) xenophobia and servile readiness to sell into the service of any Western "pan" - the obsequious, humiliated, groveling before the "common people" - the collective West!) "!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Pishchak, thanks for the compliment :-) but why did you decide that the majority of the population ,, do not share the Galician values ​​of the Maidan ,,?
In the summer, I went to the Independent Square myself and I can tell you with confidence that I’m quite divided, and feel great. They manage to swear to Russia and blame her for everything, and at the same time, they travel to Russia very well and earn money.
In addition, do not forget that universal, insight, came after the loss of the Crimea, Donbass. But, they didn’t add love to Russia to them, and one can understand why. But the fact that the reason for the loss of territories, the outbreak of war, impoverishment, served precisely as the Maidan, they stubbornly do not want to believe.
Yes, sorry. Yes, they understand. But admit their guilt, categorically refuse. They simply do not pay taxes, bear bribes to each other, do not even pay taxes for auto-rubbish brought from the EU, but blame their own “corrupt” authorities. According to the principle: everyone is to blame, but not me.

[beeper]

Plus for your sparkling sarcasm! After all, you have just listed almost all the "collective cliches of thinking" of a certain part of the Russian inhabitants, from those who do not think with their own heads at all!
Where are you, Andrey Nikolayevich, so you have been to Ukraine, you have met some "stoned" ones, where you have found such, in the Western region or in the Center (although, to be honest, now we have such people in the South-East, too have been fooled by Bandera propaganda, there is no alternative propaganda and is not planned ?!) ?!
Thugs - "Euroblazers", most of the "atoshny" Banderva - "professional patriots", even blocked international routes last fall, trying to prevent the adoption and enforcement of laws obliging them to pay for customs clearance! But now, according to the current law, they are obliged to clear the imported "Euro junk" within a month, otherwise they will pay a huge (more than for a car customs clearance !!!) fine! So they pay taxes now, how cute!
The same is with the alleged "general tax evasion" - all who work legally, all hard workers regularly pay taxes - try not to pay! But, probably, entrepreneurs, in order to somehow survive, bear bribes to extortion officials, not without that, alas! And now we have practically all medicine just for money- "reformed" by an American nurse-maidan minister of health, nicknamed "Doctor Death"! ... And so that we "bribe each other" is you for the "word of mouth" that whether ?!
Maybe you are an acquaintance of someone from the parasitic "ukropolitikum" or kleptoligarchs- "f / Bandera" ?! Here are those, yes, "en masse" evade paying taxes, taking to the "offshore" the loot, allegedly "earned by overwork." Benya Kolomoisky said hoping that "Only weaklings pay taxes (or, as he said earlier, as if justifying his incompetence and obvious helplessness, one, rather" high-ranking ", but uncorrupted, Russian official about the same:" ... if we will impose a progressive tax on their super profits, then they will find ways not to pay taxes in Russia at all! "?! ), here's what to take from him "innocently guilty" of the ameromarionet "Maidan authorities", who walk in front of him in cyrlahs, are afraid that they will "knock down" and "fill up" any of them, for their "offshore" ?! This is how it turns out with such large "general tax evaders" as in the joke about "the elusive Joe"!
I see no reason to answer the rest of your "questions", since any denial of Russian aggression or the ownership of Crimea, the loss of Donbass is for me a criminal offense under the new "Maidan laws", as, incidentally, for all your Ukrainian interlocutors who would say the opposite would shine criminal prosecution! And our Ukrainian compatriots, if not enemies to themselves, their own lives and health, well-being, the fate and health of their loved ones, would not deny Russian aggression even in a conversation with a rare Russian guest who came and left, and we live here, have big troubles (or even get into the "zindan" of "ISBUs"!) because of a frank conversation with a Russian (suddenly, somewhere, such a "foolish" Russian Andrey Nikolayevich, will casually boast in "social networks" of personal revelations of his Ukrainian relatives and friends , and this, at a bad hour, will "catch the eye" of those "who need it", and it can "come out sideways" to a "peerish" Ukrainian-resident of Ukraine, you are unattainable for them, and we are all "under the hood" walking distance "!) none of us wants!

So, dear Andrei Nikolaevich, do not be such a Russian victim of the occupying Galician Bandera propaganda (representing all of us, Ukrainian residents, allegedly Russophobic enemies, "non-brothers"!), A victim of those who want to embroil the MULTINATIONAL Russian population with the MULTINATIONAL Ukrainian, reject your "templates" and turn on your own head, think for yourself, or at least "filter" the information that you from all sides (even from Moscow itself - "latent" banderlogs that are in the Central Television of the Russian Federation ) the Americanoids and their anti-Russian "posipaki" (in Russian they are ~ "accomplices", I just could not resist, too "savory" and "characteristic", if in Ukrainian) ""!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Dear Pishchak! Sorry, I don’t know your name and patronymic. I am not at all a victim of propaganda, as you put it. A simple person, not. In all I try to be objective and without emotion.
As for Soloviev’s programs, it’s just a political talk show. It is interesting for the average layman to laugh at the opinion of, expErDs, from Ukraine. Laughter is money. But this transfer has its own rational kernel.
Now, with regards to ,, templates ,,
Sorry, but in Ukraine they still live according to ,, templates ,, and dreams of ,, independence, ”Since 1992. Nothing changed. In all curse ,, Muscovite acupuncture ,,.
The conversation is long and everyone has their own point of view. But still, the citizens of my country do not flee to Ukraine, for a piece of bread. And vice versa ..
Something like this ... Sorry for the style, I'm not writing at home ..

[beeper]

Thank you for your reply, dear Andrei Nikolaevich!
Do not worry about the "style" - we are not on a refined literary forum, because on VO "everyone writes how they breathe, without trying to please"!

Apparently you really communicated in Ukraine only with very marginal subchiks who, it is necessary, still, in our "Ukrainian realities", rave about "nezalezhnost" and the alleged "Moscow occupation" - yes, and among my not so "distant" "There are such relatives too, alas!
Before all these perturbations with "nazalezhism", some of them even were "members of the CPSU" and regularly paid party fees, attended party meetings and "in a single formation with progressive humanity" branded "the intrigues of capitalism and nationalism", and then, in the same way, "suddenly saw their sight "," threw them on the table (although later, on the morning of August 19, 1991, such "Natsik" -neophytes stood in line to the party organizer and humiliatedly, shedding tears, asked the "abandoned" party card to return, understand and forgive, assuring that were fools, made a mistake and "it will never happen again, I swear by my mother and children" ... ) "their membership cards began to stigmatize" Sovietism ", glorifying" capitalism with nationalism ", that is, there were and remain" perevevertnyams (werewolves) "unprincipled opportunists - come back to the USSR and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, will again climb into" members "and will spit on" nezalezhism "....
Adequate Russian hard workers, and not parasitic anti-Russian Jews of all sorts, even if the border guards and the "bezpak" are suddenly allowed in, they will not be returned back (as I have seen more than once in the post "Euromaidan" years), it makes no sense "to run to Ukraine for a piece of bread" , since labor earnings in Russia, on average, are slightly higher than ours, and in some places even much higher (and civil life itself is quieter under the protection of the Russian state)!

The only time when I (and, in conversations with Ukrainian compatriots, many of us Ukrainian workers at that time felt the same as me), really, I already began to be proud of our Small Motherland-Ukraine - this is in the summer of 2004. Then, finally, they began to pay wages at the plant on time, without months of delay (and prices for food and essentials were very affordable relative to the average wage), and even twice a month, advance payment and pay, as in the good Soviet times (long-term wage arrears of the 90s, although many times depreciated, we also began to pay off a little!)!
I thought then, "did the life of ordinary people in the" square "begin to improve after the bandit lawlessness and lawlessness, the dastardly deriban of the national property by all sorts of crooks (from among the" changed shoes "comrades," red directors "and their hangers-on), hungry and penniless 90s? ! ".
But no, it just seemed so! Already in the fall of 2004, the Galicia banderva crawled to Kiev and arranged its own anti-national and anti-state "orange maidan", and the United States, then "chose" us, planted their completely unconstitutional, "third-year" president-marginal Nazi Dioxin with a look from the State Department , ahead of time attached to this "jumped out" farmer as a wife ... and that's it, all "nezalezhism" of Ukraine ended there and the hope for a normal life for the Ukrainian working people disappeared forever, which had emerged!

Those people are "nespovna rozuma" and obviously "fell out of the oak" who still (as you, dear Andrey Nikolaevich, say after your "summer visit this year"), despite the current amerocolonial "Ukrainian life" of the Banderonazi style, he still consoles himself with stupid illusions about allegedly "nezalezhnisti" and allegedly "the possibility of" the current Russophobic "unitary derzhavi" in some incomprehensible way to get out of the deadly peak of civil war and self-destruction, into which Ukraine and all of us together with it were sent eternal lackeys-zapadenskie Banderonatsik with "Ukrainian" klepto "w / Bandera" at the head!

[Geo]

Quote: Vladimir16

Everyone has a voice in Ukraine.

What is the colony's voice? Are you in yourself? Ukraine is a completely non-self-contained piece of land. All the processes of political struggle in it are the result of fuss between the political clans of the colonialists, or just a theater for the near-by Ukrainian public, designed to portray democracy.

[nickname7]

Zelensky was elected by a majority vote. This is democracy.

Are you hurt that Ukrainians think differently from you?

The fact that Zelensky was elected, no one argues with you. But it is not the president who decides the mainstream of politics, he is the executor and the persona sitting in the president’s chair does not matter.
I recall the main direction of the existence of Ukraine - the sanitary cordon (cordon sanitaire)
This is the official term for Western geopolitics. The cordon's duties include escalation, tension, provocation, and damage to the Russian Federation.

[Beringovsky]

Do not be deceived by yourself, and do not mislead others.

Do not interfere with the person retelling the news that he watched on the TV show!

[Ros 56]

The more various clashes in Kiev and throughout the country of Banderlog, the more mess, the more likely that normal people will eventually come to political life. Alas, one big minus in this situation is human sacrifice.

[Evdokim]

New Maidan in the name of the fighting in the Donbass

The moment of truth has come. Let's see what Monica Zelensky is worth. He or mice, that is, Natsik racers and other Piglets, Tymoshenko, Turchinov, etc. etc..

[Vadim T.]

Recent events in Ukraine once again show how deeply divided society is. It would seem that five years of war, tens of thousands of victims, devastation and poverty should reason even the most stubborn and lead to the understanding that one cannot live on like that. The fact that the new government is beginning to take timid steps to resolve the Donbass problem in a peaceful way can only be welcomed and supported. But no: someone is very thirsty for the continuation of the slaughter and new blood. It is clear that these are not ordinary citizens, but certain political forces and oligarchs who profit from human grief and suffering. As they say, to whom the war, and to whom - the mother is native ...

[210ox]

As for the deep division of society into you, you are mistaken. Over the past five years, most of society has been united there under the false slogan of protecting the fatherland from external aggression.

[Vadim T.]

No, I’m not mistaken. Of course, for many people, propaganda in the media and TV was brainwashed, but it is difficult to fool sensible people, and there are quite a few of them. Yes, not everyone is ready to openly express their position, especially if it diverges from the official one. But they certainly will not support the killer course for the continuation of the war and the destruction of the country.

[nickname7]

It would seem that five years of war, tens of thousands of victims, devastation and poverty should reason even the most stubborn

Nobody asks them, they are obliged to fight to the last Ukrainian. What about the problems?
So the sheriff was never worried about the blacks.

[svp67]

Stop wearing rose-colored glasses. The very fact of signing something, unfortunately, THIS IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF PERFORMANCE of this by Ukraine. What is a vivid example of the twice signed "Minsk Agreements" and no concessions to Kiev will help, it is time for Russia to impose sanctions against Ukraine with the "wording": "For not fulfilling" the Minsk Agreements "

[Ravik]

That's for sure! Natsik will never do anything ... they will sign another 10 papers and will get out on various pretexts ...

[revnagan]

Quote: Ravik

Natsik will never do anything ... they will sign another 10 papers and will be twisted on various pretexts ...

And when will Russia begin to implement the Budapest memorandum? After all, it was signed a long time ago, but it hasn’t ratified it. It’s very convenient, and you don’t have to get out under various pretexts. We already wanted to fulfill it ... But then you understand, the problem wasn’t ratified. everything is fair, huh?

[beeper]

So if the Ukrainian ZRada itself (that is, Verkhovna Rada-BP) did not bother to ratify the "Budapest Memorandum", the Washington owners of the current "Ukraine" also did not ratify it, then what are the claims on this, none of the interested parties (Ukraine) - signatories has not been ratified worthless "memorandum", from completely ignorant "revanagans" to Russia ??!

Himself "ukroprez number one" -Leonid Kravchuk frankly admitted that without sending the Ukrainian nuclear arsenal to the territory of Russia, no "independent Ukraine" would exist, would not have taken place, since the United States would not agree to its legalization, he personally warned the then Ameroprez George Bush Sr., who was by no means a supporter of the spin-off of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan from Russia, including because of the threat of the "spread" of Soviet nuclear weapons in several "independent" states!

And "Revanagan" (like many Pro-Bander amerosetebots, such as "daughters of officers", "real Russian patriots", "Russians", "Russians" on other Russian sites "told" and "told"! ) "To readers of VO more than once" fairy tales "he tells and writes about this" Budapest memorandum ", allegedly" violated (unsigned) "by Russia -" not Copenhagen ", is it completely or anti-Russian biased ??!

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

if the Ukrainian ZRada itself (that is, Verkhovna Rada-BP) did not bother to ratify the Budapest Memorandum, the Washington owners of the current Ukraine did not ratify it either, then what are the claims on this, by none of the interested parties (Ukraine) -signers

Well, Russia would have demonstrated an Act of Goodwill, with a personal example, so to speak. The fact that she made the "kidok" of Ukraine TOGETHER with America does not make Russia better than America.

Quote: pishchak

Himself "ukroprez number one" -Leonid Kravchuk frankly admitted that without sending the Ukrainian nuclear arsenal to the territory of Russia, no "independent Ukraine" would exist, would not have taken place, since the United States would not agree to its legalization, he personally warned the then Ameroprez George W. Bush,

Is it possible to prove the proof to the studio? Not Kravchuk’s words about Bush’s words about Ukraine, but a document? But it turns out interesting: the Union has already disintegrated, Ukraine has ALREADY been created, but suddenly Kravchuk remembers what Bush told him ... Not convincingly. (Let me remind you. , The memorandum was signed on December 5, 1994!).

Quote: pishchak

And "Revanagan" (like many Probander amerosetebots - a kind of "daughters of officers", "real Russian patriots", "Russians", "Russians" on other Russian sites "told" and "told"!) "

Oh mercy-mercy, you flatter me .

Quote: pishchak

"told" and "tell"! ) "To readers of the VO more than once" fairy tales "he tells and writes about this" Budapest Memorandum ", allegedly" violated (unsigned) "by Russia-"

And they tell and tell, and tell and tell, and tell ... fairy tales, yeah. In this dispute, the conversation is about relations between Russia and Ukraine, about treaties, negotiability, about who began to dodge first and who has more reason not to trust neighbor and take an example from him. There will be a conversation about America, let's talk about how she "threw" Ukraine, having got everything she wanted. But for now, about Russia.

[beeper]

And what is it, jealous, what kind of "self-limiting" ("yourself" or others, me, you are trying to manipulatively drive me into a one-sided narrow "frame" ??! ) "refusal to consider the" Budapest problem "holistically and holistically, that you are all relying on Russia, because only the United States was the sole decisive" hegemon "at that time, the other" pole "- the USSR was defeated ?!
The words of the then President of Ukraine, which were not protested by anyone and more than once publicly pronounced and published in the media, aren't they authoritative enough for you ?!
Or, dictating his will from the position of the winner, the ameroprez George Bush Sr., was it illogical about the control over Soviet nuclear weapons when he categorically demanded from the neo "independents" its 100% export from the territory of Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan to the completely "sub-Soviet "To the Americans, Yeltsin's (EBN, it is symbolic, first of all reported to the President of the United States, and not to the President of the USSR Gorbachev, about the accomplished Belovezhskaya betrayal, is this telling you something, Revanagan ?!" ) Russia, where the United States at that time had everything "under control" and did not need the trouble of decentralizing the management of its post-Soviet colony ?!
And what other "proofs" to you, jealous, funny You, however, arrogantly think that I will now rush-I will waste my time looking for them, so that somehow you, obviously anti-Russian, confirm that and so to me is known during those events ?!
Just take note and, if you wish, make sure that all the newly formed "independent states", before their recognition by the United States, completely surrendered their nuclear arsenals to Russia, that is, they listened to the urgent recommendations of the "hegemon", which our direct participant of "rozbudovy nezalezhnisti" -pan Kravchuk (this "proof", by the way, even in memory, and even appears in the media with "teachings" - with a really sincere desire to "get to the bottom of the truth", jealousy, you can always refer to this living "primary source" -I recommend!)!
Directly in 1991, George W. Bush personally spoke in Kiev before the then ZRada and expressed his vision of the structure of the post-Soviet space, with an emphasis on the undesirability and inexpediency of Ukraine's secession into an "independent voyage" - as we see now, after almost three decades, he ( including as the former director of the CIA!) you cannot deny insight and wisdom, as Mr. George looked into the water, after all, nothing sensible from this nationalist "square" did not work, without its own Foundation-Russia, its "spun off" parts - "independent "Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan are rapidly degrading in all respects, including as state subjects!
The UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT itself, the seemingly most interested party in it, figuratively speaking, went to this "BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM" and did not ratify it! So what is the demand from other signatory countries, which undoubtedly saw such a disregard for the "interested parties" themselves ?!
What are your, jealous, "claims" to Russia, if Ukraine itself with this "memorandum", again figuratively speaking, in passing "worn out" as unnecessary, what is your interest in this many times "sucked", wretched Maidan network bots, knowingly stalemate for them (and for you) the "topic" - in a simple way, on "neponyatki", trying to "powder the brains" of the Russian forum users, who a priori do not know the "Budapest" context, have never delved into patamushta, too, because they are unnecessary ??!

In general, summarizing the above, all yours, invented by the Goebbelsuchs "Statsya (and even not them, but" trisechki ranish "!)", "Budapest claims", "be a weasel", address the national ZRada and the American owners " Ukraine "is their 100%" jamb "- there was no need to pro-American ramaydanivat and Russophobic bander Ukraine!

[revnagan]

Mnogabukaff, means little sense. Nevertheless:

Quote: pishchak

The words of the then President of Ukraine, which were not protested by anyone and more than once publicly pronounced and published in the media, aren't they authoritative enough for you ?!

No, they are not authoritative enough. These are just words, not confirmed by anything. Besides, what kind of "authority" of Kravchuk can we talk about? What is the authority of Judas? Another point that you first mentioned, and now avoid. But I will return to him-Ukraine at the time of the signing of the Budapest Memorandum WAS ALREADY. HAS BEEN. Therefore, allegedly the words of Bush from the words of Krachuk are just a bunch. According to the Budapest Memorandum, the signatory parties assumed certain obligations. It is about the fact that for their implementation, the document must first be ratified parliaments of the signatory countries, did not go. Ukraine honestly fulfilled its obligations to partners and without any ratifications. Nuclear weapons gave away. When it came to the obligations of the "partners", they ("partners"), realizing that Ukraine no longer has nuclear weapons and you can now do whatever you want, just "got away" from fulfilling their obligations. Say, the parliament (the Supreme Council or the Duma there, it doesn't matter) did not ratify, therefore the Russian Federation (America) its part of the obligation They shouldn't carry out their statements in front of Ukraine. Just like in a joke: he brought the toilet bowl and showed his ass, but they still didn't sell toilet paper. But if you think that there is no deception by Russia (America) of Ukraine behind the verbal casuistry, you are deeply mistaken. After such a scam on the part of Russia and Ukraine, now it has every right to refuse to fulfill any previously signed document under a far-fetched pretext like "but the Rada has not ratified ...".

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

funny, however, you presumptuously think that I’ll rush, I will lose my time looking for them, so that somehow you, obviously anti-Russian, will confirm what I already know in the course of those events ?!

That's what I didn't count on. But not for the reason that you wrote, but because they (proofs) do not exist in nature. Only to the yellow press, from where they have migrated already in the form of "facts" into your imagination.
As for the anti-Russian mood ... If you take the trouble to get acquainted with my posts at least 3, and preferably 5 years ago, you will see that everything was completely wrong there, but those like you did your best to change my point of view .All this dirt that you pour on Ukraine (not on the scum that seized power, but on the whole Ukraine), all these statements about how well and correctly Russia and Ukraine do what all the traitors are here that are not happy the fact that Russia took away Crimea from Ukraine, which villains inhabit the Ukrainian territory Russia, and what historical rights Russia has to this territory, and what to do with these villains, who came from somewhere unclear (on the primordially Russian lands!), did their job. Such Russia is an old-fashioned Russia, justifying its claims to neighbors ridiculous pretexts, the oligarchic-capitalist, the bourgeois, I’m definitely not a friend.

[beeper]

Yeah, you have a hard time on this topic, jealous?
It’s so easy to offend you and offense then it catches your eyes, it hinders you from adequately understanding what is read ?!
My Ukraine is a multinational country of free and equal workers, in which there should be no place for xenophobia, ethnocide, plunder and deriban of public property, and, of course, there should be no place for Western Banderon-racism-racism!
And yours, Revanagan, and such, Ukraine is, in fact, a Banderonazi American colony, through the mouths of American functionaries - "failed state (that is, even American" common people "do not recognize that such a" state has taken place "!)" Ukraine ", where the "Ukrainian" parasites- "w / Bandera and their singers spread rot a large part of the working population and unleashed a bloody civil war with the" wrong (only by their and your cave banderonationalist standards!) "population of Eastern Ukraine!

When you write about the alleged "betrayal of Ukraine", then remember that first of all the so-called "Ukraine" betrayed the majority of its working citizens, us! I well remember the assurances and appeals of Judas (in this I completely agree with you, although you and I have different reasons to think so!) Kravchuk to the citizens of the ex-Ukrainian SSR that the "nezalezhna derzhava" that is being created will be a good Mother to ALL its inhabitants and especially that there will be no discrimination based on ethnicity in it!
And then what did we see ?! This slander of workers and ethnic discrimination, alas, began almost immediately!

Apparently you do not remember well (or you only know from diaspora "textbooks" and other nationalist "tales" ?!) those times, but in this case Kravchuk knows well what he is talking about, under the obligation to export nuclear weapons to Russia, the Americans (Washington on the destruction of strategic missile-carrying aircraft on the territory of Ukraine, and thank God! They also offered, though for quite ridiculous money, one million dollars, to ukroprez Yanukovych and Prime Minister Azarov to destroy 1500 old Soviet tanks located in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and stored at storage bases, but those they did not buy at such a cheap price, and now these, not cut for scrap in 2013, tanks are killing our fellow citizens in the Donbass, and the Jews of Mazepa, Janek and Azarov, live and don’t think that they’re human blood ?!) agreed to the existence of an “independent” Ukraine (independent Belarus and Kazakhstan) "!
The facts are obvious - this time, arguing the opposite - you, jealous, confuse the cause with the effect, and thirdly, how is it for you (and I have already been talking about this since 2014, exactly from the anti-Ukrainian "euromaidan" it is not regrettable, but Ukraine, as an independent "state", did not take place and, most likely, will not take place, since it has become torn apart by deep internal contradictions (generated by the militant Bandera Nazi internal and external "policy" - under the long-term supervision of the United States!), the anti-Russian amerocolony "Ukraine", fully acting in the wake of the interests of the American neo-colonialists - absolutely contrary to the interests of the Ukrainian labor population and the interests of the Ukrainian statehood!
Yes, in general, from the very beginning, the wrong "ambushes" of the very "rozbudovy nezalezhnisti" were laid, a wrong understanding of the real essence of statehood and its state-forming path (and after all, the foundations and resources for building a truly flourishing and prosperous country, in Ukraine -exUSSR, which was one of the top ten economies of Europe, on a par with France, at that time there was a huge surplus-a huge National Property was left to us by our entire Soviet Union-for three decades, "w / Bandera" robbed and deribanilized, just profited, and also and left, but already a little, of those Soviet reserves - thanks only to these "soviet (as now mankurt say!)" reserves, the anti-popular "Yukreinushka" parasitizing on them lasted so long!) - now they "came" to disastrous "results "that hasty" historical choice "made behind our back by a vile bunch of insidious self-serving Natsiks and comrades like Iudomazepines Kravchuk with his" Shevchenkivska hatynka "!

[revnagan]

Well, why so "mnogabukaff"? Are you trying to prove your innocence where it is not? What does Ukraine have to do with its citizens? Are you trying to open my eyes or jump off the topic? All post-Soviet states have betrayed their citizens. With the exception, perhaps, of Belarus. devastating reforms have not passed in the Russian Federation, the loudest of which is pension? Why did you decide that MY Ukraine is exactly what you saw in your imagination? My Ukraine is practically the same as yours, without Galitsaev-Bandera. Self-sufficient, worthy a country that chooses its own trading partners. But my Ukraine calls a spade a spade. If it has taken away its territory, production capacity, then it’s called robbery. If Ukraine fulfilled its obligations, and the "partners" refused to fulfill their obligations to Ukraine under whatever excuse, then this is a kidok, whatever you call it. What happened are the Dobanderaites are to blame? So fight them! Close their factories in Lipetsk, arrest accounts, shoot Finally, go to your place of residence! Instead of “tailoring” my country ”by the right of the strong“ under the pretext “you have fascists there.” How can you name people who are doing such experiments with their people? , which is just looking at how to steal from weakened neighbors something valuable under the pretext "it was ours, this is for your own good", better than Ukraine? Yes, there are Nazis in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But are all the Armed Forces of Ukraine Bandera? which should defend the interests of the state by force in Ukraine, and even if the Ukrainian Armed Forces are completely cleansed of Natsiks, they will still shout in the Russian Federation that there are only Bandera, because they do not allow to rob Ukraine, and in Ukraine, there are only Bandera because they wish well Ukraine, not Russia. And for this everyone needs to be killed. So I don’t believe the words of Russia about friendship and cooperation after their deeds. The whole policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at weakening Ukraine as a state, and not at weakening the ruling class or its specific representatives .And this specifically affects citizens, about whom you are so worried, and whom, as you said, Ukraine has already betrayed (and the politicians have betrayed them). And only because I see and understand all this, am I a Bandera member? Well, well ...

[beeper]

Yeah, jealous, just like a groovy parrot, repeat the same thing, designed for the consciousness of Russian inhabitants.
Now I realized that you are not Ukrainian and, most likely, you are not writing from Ukraine, and the fact that voluminous texts are in Russian (however, in Ukrainian words, as in the context of modern Ukrainian history, you clearly "float" - "movoy" at all, perhaps, do not own-trainee "neophyte" ?! ) are overwhelming for you (but at the same time, "don't hesitate", you yourself operate with "multi-letter" posts, mostly composed of standard templates)! Habits and speech markers reveal you enough, not to mention other, figuratively speaking, nuanced "stainless steel wires" ...
Don't broadcast your fabulous "tolerations" about Ukraine to me! : smile

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

Now I realized that you are not Ukrainian

Quote: pishchak

"stainless steel wires" ...

How did you reveal me, huh ?! Pure Starinov, not otherwise. That is, in fact, you have nothing to "cover" with? Of course, not from Ukraine, and the city of Shostka, Sumy region, is not my hometown, in which I have not been living non-stop for ten years already! ... the sky! According to the texts, as it "comes around", so it will respond. I tried to reach out to your consciousness with my mother's tongue, but ... alas. It is useless to throw pearls .... By the way, in your texts phrases, sentences and punctuation, too, give rise to doubts as to who they claim to be.

Quote: pishchak

Don't broadcast your fabulous "tolerations" about Ukraine to me

Not an offer-shine!
I will not "broadcast", you know the situation in Ukraine FROM THERE better than me from here.

[beeper]

Well done, jealous, I see that it’s very easy to get you out of balance, resentment, your eyes are obviously clogged and it hinders you from correctly understanding what you read.
WHERE FROM THERE, do you suffer from bander-legged "narcissism" - "there is my opinion and wrong!" ??!
PS Colonel Starinov, although he was a Saboteur from God, but a specialist in completely different "delays"!

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

"I have a wrong opinion!" ??!

In my opinion, your view of things is similar. And you are trying to impose your opinion as the only correct one, ignoring the arguments of the opponent. Besides, an attempt to conduct a discussion from the position of the prosecutor (I accused you, and you come on, make excuses) with me will not work. It’s easy to get me out of balance, yes, it’s only the third day that I’ve been trying to reach out to your consciousness, but from your side only one thing sounds: “But nothing is sick, but the chicken is happy.
With Starinov, you perfectly understood what was meant. Or do you want to be compared with the counterintelligence service of SMERSH? Yes, please, I do not mind. However, we avoided the original topic of the dispute. So, Ukraine fulfilled its part of the Budapest memorandum without any ratifications, and when it was the partners' turn to carry out their part, the “dismounts”, “loops” and “scams” ​​began for completely far-fetched reasons, including from Russia. So now the Ukrainian side, seeing the incapacity of the Russian Federation, has the full right to refuse to fulfill any agreements signed with the Russian Federation, if they are not beneficial to Ukraine at the moment, under any far-fetched pretexts (the Rada did not ratify) .It's fair, don't you think? By the way, why don't you continue the topic of the post-Soviet states' betrayal of their citizens ? And also other interesting topics that you raised, and hastily switched to my humble Bandera personality?

[beeper]

Oh, jealous, Good wound! To tsykh fe ne ne slurping ?!
To me, these small-town troubles with the "Budapest memorandum", as well as to the Americans, as well as to the banderlog at the "helm" - up to one place!
He wrote that all this was "sucked" even when the topic was intensely exaggerated by banderobots on Russian sites in the spring of 2014 (and in our Ukraine, in "get-togethers" with the natsyuk, we periodically pulled it out, also from their "feed", and discussed "until blue in the face" much earlier, you apparently did not have time for those discussions, and this dead topic of the "memorandum", with which now only the most uninformed and narrow-minded farmers marginalized, and neophyte Nazis from among the Russian-speaking Maydauns, seem so fresh to you , some life-giving "ultimate truth" ?! "Memorandum" in your hands, my friend, find people like you who are new to this, but it is unlikely that you will find such a topic among Russians, this topic is generally very distant, like everyone else is not " svidobots "! ).
About "other post-Soviet countries" is you writing, and I specifically about Ukraine, its nationalist government, I wrote, which brazenly and cynically betrayed us, its working fellow citizens!
Your "modest Bandera personality (you confirm this is my only assumption, perhaps ??!)" I am absolutely not interested, as well as your very prominent "complexes" and BanderaLies "cliches of consciousness (for some reason you call them" arguments " , with which you "reach out (there is also a more obscene version of defining your virtual actions, but we are not swearing words, right ?!)" to my mind) "!

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

He wrote that all this was "sucked" even when the topic was intensely exaggerated by banderobots on Russian sites in the spring of 2014 (and in our Ukraine, in "get-togethers" with natsyuk, we periodically pulled it out, also from their "feed", and discussed "until blue in the face" much earlier, you probably did not have time for those discussions, and this dead topic of the "memorandum", with which now only the most uninformed and narrow-minded farmers' marginals, and neophyte Nazis from among the Russian-speaking Maidowns, seem so fresh to you , some life-giving "ultimate truth" ?!

Nichrome yourself an offer! You should turn to a specialist, or something. Otherwise, you have a "haircut", and you - "shaved." The fact that you were there when you discussed with someone, it is certainly very interesting. In essence, Russia's failure to fulfill its own, voluntarily Do you have something to say about the undertaken obligations, or is there a lack of understanding that if the Russian Federation can do this, then Ukraine also has the right to do so?

[beeper]

Otti Bose, znov, jealous ?! I am not a doctor, so I don’t presume to make medical diagnoses, but your obsession with an insignificant detail, without realizing the general post-Maidan collapse of Ukraine and its complete loss of state subjectivity, is already a “diagnosis”, alas (regardless of whether you are “shaved”, Revan , or "haircut")!
The same "diagnosis" of yours shows through in your obvious anti-Russian bias - after all, as I understand it, you have no complaints about other "Budapest" countries, and besides, "nizzya" ?!
However, these are your personal medical and philosophical problems!

[revnagan]

Quote: pishchak

Otti Bose

Wow, infantility as a clear sign of impending insanity?

Quote: pishchak

Your fixation on an insignificant detail

The devil is in the little things .

Quote: pishchak

to other "Budapest" countries you have no complaints, and "nizzza" ?!

"No way" is where? On this site ? And why do you so want to "switch the arrows" to others? Let's first finish with the fake from the Russian Federation (others are no better). However, why be surprised. In modern Russia, capital rules the ball, but as old man T. Joseph Dunning said: " Capital fears a lack of profit or too little profit, as nature fears a void. But once there is enough profit, capital becomes bold. Provide 10% and capital is willing to use it, at 20% it becomes animated, at 50% it is positively ready to break his head, at 100% he tramples on all human laws, at 300% there is no such crime that he would not risk, at least under the penalty of a gallows. "(cit.) Now it remains to prove to his citizens and the whole world that the Russian Federation has acted Right. But the trouble is that the citizens of course believe, and everyone else ... as it is not very. But this is understandable, you can impose anything on your citizens, "people are eating", but try to impose an obviously biased opinion on the citizens of neighboring countries .. ...

Quote: pishchak

However, these are your personal medical and philosophical problems!

As one famous movie hero said: "Not ours, but yours ..." I hope you still realize them and see them clearly. All the best to you.

[beeper]

I see, jealous, that you are not "second-handed" ?!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Pots, buckets, have risen sharply in price.
At last! There’s nothing to watch on TV. Let's have fun on the Independence Square. :-)

[rocket757]

A pan on the head, this is a diagnosis .... also jumpers, Schaub polish the result.

[restless]

If they are at a rally against the world, then why are they not at the forefront, make a rotation, gallop to the front, and the front to the rear, but no, they will not go to the front, because they pay them in the rear to stir up the war ...

[demo]

And I had such a thought.
Even the verse rhymed.

I put on a pan
Went to fight
To the land of Donbass
Give to the Nazis

[sniperino]

Quote: demo

I put on a pan

Allotment. Dress Hope; put on clothes. A pan in this context is clothing, so it is worn.

[demo]

You're right. The brain is to blame. I didn’t choose it.
Paronyms, you understand.

[Vladimir61]

As always! Maidan paid. The truth is that the West has nothing to do with it now. Poroshenko personally announced the payment of 2000 UAH (5000 rubles) to all opponents of the latest Minsk agreements. Translated into ordinary language, everything is on the Maidan, everything will be paid.
Fools are not enough that he, having made money in the war, pays the blood of those who are killed on it.

[prior]

Hahly with hahly fought.
Hahly hahlov killed.
The less hahlov in Hahland
The cleaner the air. Be healthy.

[O. Bender]

The world in the Donbass, according to the formula of the shtanmatser for all the opposition, those who merged in the fight against Zey, is just an excuse to try to turn the mince back. With this power block, they are trying to use radicals, nationalists and all the BP’s rabble. Maidan version 2.0, it’s quite possible, with financial infusions of wealthy successors left overboard. In principle, such an option as Maidan is somewhat beneficial to Russia, civil unrest, the collapse of the country, federalization, and now not only the Donbass, but also some areas will try to integrate into Russia. Tell me a fantasy? At first glance, yes, but we wait and see, although it’s more accurate to say, we live to see. The process of state death is not fast, it takes a lot of time and many circumstances and conditions.

[Sapsan136]

The truth is that Ukraine managed to spoil relations with all its neighbors, its wild small-town nationalism and nothing will save it from collapse

[Li17]

Quote: Vladimir16

Everyone has a voice in Ukraine.
Zelensky was elected by a majority vote. This is democracy.

in general, at all Ukrkanals, politicians and invitees say that it was not Ze who won, but the people opposed Poroshenko! Here "democracy" is very simple, although Ze won, but the external government of Ukraine is working quietly! So Ze is the same puppet in essence. The fact that he was given the exchange of prisoners does not mean that he will be allowed to change the status of his colony!

[Yury Siritsky]

When the bulk is silent like a fish, a bunch of scumbags rule the ball.