The tank did not cope with the hill in the exercises in Sweden

Videos from maneuvers appeared on the network, in which skill was tested tank crews of the Swedish army. We are talking about exercises - a kind of Swedish version of "tank biathlon".

After leaving the plain, the tank crew faces a peculiar obstacle in the form of a hill. "Leopard" is taken at low speed to "storm" this hill, the length of which is several tens of meters. The visual elevation angle is up to 30 degrees. Moreover, the coating, apparently, consists of concrete slabs.

The tank, having gone a few meters "uphill", eventually begins to slide down. The crew took measures so that the armored car would not be deployed sideways during an unplanned descent backwards. As a result, the tank rolled down, as they say, to its original position. He could not cope with the hill. There were no crew injuries and damage to the armored car itself.

It can be stated that for a multi-ton tank, the tracks did not cope with the task - from the physical point of view, the necessary friction (adhesion) indicators were not achieved. In this regard, questions arise about the combat effectiveness of an armored car in a real battle, where obstacles may turn out to be different, including the option of coverage.

Link in the video.

Comments

[Same lech]

It was necessary to climb diagonally ... well, even though there was no big rain ... it would be even worse.
Situations are different ... sometimes it’s easier to go diagonally than directly.

[cniza]

There was a basic error:

After leaving the plain, the tank crew faces a peculiar obstacle in the form of a hill. "Leopard" is taken at low speed to "storm" this hill, the length of which is several tens of meters.

[Lexus]

The rubber track shoes were purchased from the Chinese for Volvo by offset.

[cormorant]

You just had to shoot at the hill. Then the adhesion appeared with this "coating option".

[figwam]

The Swedes have long been testing our tanks, preparing ...

[YOUR]

We are talking about exercises - a kind of Swedish version of "tank biathlon."
Look at the first photo, there you can climb only along the highway. And most likely this is a condition of the exercises. Pass the indicated route without turning off.

[Berkut752]

Look carefully, the tilt angle is not 30, but 40-45 degrees, this is first. Secondly, the weight and speed, the driver did not take into account. They like to belittle potential opponents. It is necessary to really evaluate the enemy, then we will not stare at the field in surprise.

[Alexey Brylev]

There are no 40-45 degrees there ... There as much as they wrote. Check the goniometer directly on the screen if you can’t stare correctly.

[Alexey Brylev]

And the driver, who had not guessed to take the altitude at speed, was just an ignoramus and humiliated himself and his aircraft himself ...

[bk316]

Look carefully, the tilt angle is not 30, but 40-45 degrees, this is first.

Valentine Valentine there 40 degrees is not close.
In general, most people do not know how to determine the angle.
There is a simple technique for determining 45 degrees for a skier of average height. Become vertically take a ski pole in your hand and extend one hand horizontally. if the stick lies on a slope angle greater than 45 degrees. In the picture, the angle is less than 30 degrees. I would say about 25. To an unprepared person, 45 seems to be a vertical wall. And even on road signs, the slope is not in degrees but in percent

[mmaxx]

In addition. At 40 degrees, no equipment will ever jam itself. There are a couple of ski slopes with such a slope. There the snowcat (!!!) drives the winch when ramming the slope. And there the lugs are not tank at all.

[bk316]

There are a couple of ski slopes with such a slope.

Yeah, and even in France, on such 45 degree slopes, signs are like cars - 100% My favorite reel and toast to one hundred percent skiers

[mmaxx]

The site swears that the text is short. Again

[YakimovSS]

And you can be a little more detailed, I lost my thought on "stand upright".

[bk316]

And you can be a little more detailed, I lost my thought on "stand upright".

1. stand upright and not perpendicular to the slope
2. extend your hand with the stick horizontally

a right triangle forms
one leg - your torso
second leg-stick with a stick
hypotenuse - the section of the slope between your leg and the place where the stick touches the slope

if the angle of 45 degrees the triangle should be isosceles
your torso to the shoulder and the arm with the stick are of exactly the same length, i.e. the end of the stick should touch the slope

[mmaxx]

Yes, you do not worry. Then one of my kament failed.
So 30 degrees is very cool. It’s hard even to climb such a mountain on foot. Concrete tanks are even more difficult. Yes, and I doubt that there are 30 degrees.
The rule is simple: stand at the top, look down. If the slope seems steep, then 30 degrees. That is, the slope represents one line to the eye. Steeper - it's really scary.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Berkut752

Look carefully, the tilt angle is not 30, but 40-45 degrees, this is first.

Um ... 45 * along this diagonal (red line) will be. And here is less than 30, unless of course the operator is more or less exactly level. And I drew a normal square.

[bk316]

Um ... 45 * along this diagonal (red line) will be.

This is if the operator was shooting strictly perpendicular to the direction of movement, and since the picture is clearly from the front view, THEN 45 DEGREES IS ALSO ABOVE YOUR LINE.

[svp67]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

It was necessary to climb diagonally ...

Why not a zig-zag? What is there to philosophize slyly, just before storming this height it was necessary to ACCELERATE and the force of inertia would bring the tank to the top of the hill. Mechanic - LEARNING

[bk316]

it was necessary to ACCELERATE and the force of inertia would carry the tank to the top of the hill.

Afraid of pecking a gun at an inflection. Perhaps and correctly I saw such pecks with grave consequences.

[svp67]

Quote: bk316

I was afraid ...

Yes, this is the main thing that prevented the crew of this tank from overcoming this obstacle.

[Catfish]

And what prevented the crew from turning the turret "cannon back"? Or was there, according to the terms of the assignment, only one mechanic drive was there?
Although they write that "the crew of the tank." If so, then the commander there is no better than a mechanic.

[cniza]

The tank, having gone a few meters "uphill", eventually begins to slide down. The crew took measures so that the armored car would not be deployed sideways during an unplanned descent backwards.

It was already in history, only without tanks.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

It was already in history, only without tanks.

No wonder the slopes \ earthen ramparts of the fortresses licked and watered with water! It was especially spectacular in the winter!

[cniza]

Therefore, in winter, they did not foot to us, but then they still fell under the snow.

[rocket757]

OH YEAH!!! General Frost, he buried more than one "civilized army" himself! Exactly, our ALLY, still dear ... i.e. endless destinations!

[cniza]

In a terrible dream, they could not imagine the length of our roads, or rather the size of the state.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

But was it not their fate to look at the map? :) And anyway - tired of these terrible links to frost. Whoever goes to Russia - Napoleon there or Hitler - so for everyone the revelation is that in Russia, it turns out to be cold in winter

[NKT]

So they didn’t have Marya Ivanovna in the school to explain this at a geography lesson

[rocket757]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

But was it not their fate to look at the map? :) And in general

The costs of education ... someone skipped geography and natural history !!! or so taught!

[I must]

it was a special secret action. when maps were drawn with intentional distortion over distances. on the map to Moscow just a stone's throw, like from Paris to Versailles, they thought they would be there in two weeks, but it turned out that by the November holidays they barely ripened

[novel66]

the question to the chiefs of general staffs is their work

[Berkut752]

And what would you suggest to our aggressor.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

To admit honestly what we received from the Russian (during the USSR-Soviet) people by the tinsel and not to make nonsense about General Moroz.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Whoever goes to Russia - Napoleon there or Hitler - so for everyone the revelation is that in Russia, it turns out to be cold in winter

Hmmm ... maybe our housing and communal services are also equipped with invaders? Because for these guys, winter also always comes unexpectedly: none of them can even imagine that, for example, it might snow in late November and the streets will need to be cleaned.
Spawn this did not happen, and again the same! ©

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

And our housing and communal services is worse than the Tatar-Mongol yoke. With that, at least it was clear how to fight, but at the housing and communal services no Donskoy would be enough. It seems to me that I’m a filthy idol is not an old Russian allegory on the housing and communal services?

[Mephody]

If generals Moroz and Rasputitsa served in the Red Army, then they should have been shot (c)
Noticed by sensible military historians. Our troubles also suffered to the full.

[ser56]

Quote: cniza

Therefore, in winter they do not foot to us

remember Batu ...

[Sergei 23]

Work moment. What is the article about ???

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Agree to 100%.

[Vol4ara]

The campaign is generally a pipe, since this is published

[Ural-4320]

Do our tanks try on such a concrete slope? I think ours will climb, based on the smaller mass.

[Sayan]

Yes, it seems that a leopard can do it, as they say here - "it was not a bobbin"))))

[bar]

Our will get. Our caterpillars are not so glamorous, spiked.

[Ural-4320]

I always believed that these tracks with inserts, so as not to spoil the asphalt. And are they regular?

[oldzek]

and we had it, it’s been a long time ago .. in 68 saw one young man unable to climb 30 degrees on t-62. and as for the hard surface, the tank on it was like a cow on ice. We went to Prague in 68 maximum speeds and I saw how cars flew into ditches. I suppose that everything here depends on the skill of the driver IMHO

[Ural-4320]

Exactly! Last year, at the Tank Biathlon, the crew took off in a U-turn on a concrete plateau. The tank was almost overturned. This is the "cow on ice".

[oldzek]

I don’t watch this biathlon. I'm afraid nostalgia is tormenting me and inadvertently

[Ural-4320]

And you look, there are very skilled crews who work wonders with technology.

[bk316]

as for hard surface, the tank on it is like a cow on ice.

That's right, say it all. This applies to almost all tracked vehicles.

[Republican]

VO and maybe not only about the jambs of the western armed forces, but we will write about ours too? And the feeling that the site is stupidly slipping into anti-Western propaganda of all stripes and genres. I remind you that for such things, in the Russian Federation there are federal channels that work in the style of Goebbels. As interest already disappears, it enters the channel where there is only one anti-western stream!

[Cruorvult]

Rofl, that is, "hypersound - Kremlin cartoons" and "Posedion does not exist" type of anti-Western propaganda. "Works in the Goebbels Style" shows that you are in trouble.

[Same lech]

IN and maybe not only about the jambs of the western armed forces, but we will write about ours? And it feels as if the site is stupidly rolling into an anti-Western

Don’t be upset ... everyone has the right to their opinion ... submit your articles and opinions to the forum from the opposite point of view ... prove your postulate on the fingers of our readers.
I’ve been at VO for a long time and I’ll say that the site really lost its beauty with censorship ... when readers posted interesting videos and photos about what was happening in the war zone ... now of course everything is filtered and cut to disgrace ... something is impossible by present analyze ... constantly someone's ears come out in different articles and the information is usually truncated.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I’ve been at VO for a long time and I’ll say that the site truly lost its beauty with censorship

What are you speaking about? There has always been censorship of VO, and the most active commentators have always complained that VO is no longer the same.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Well, I partially agree with you, I do not watch TV in trash practically, but there is an alternative, and there are questions to V.O.

[Same lech]

but there is an alternative

There is ... it’s not strange to get information everywhere, including in enemy resources ... comparing the data with them and from our resources you can see an interesting picture of the world ... that does not fit into the official interpretation.
Therefore, I am not surprised that the Russian segment of the Internet will soon begin or are already installing special devices to block unwanted information for users of our Internet ... hehe heh world information gateways are too big ... someone really wants to turn them into a controlled trickle.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Nuuu, VO writes a lot about his jambs, it's you in vain

[swnvaleria]

go west and look at their channels one anti-Russian and anti-east stream! the only difference is that there is not a single gram of truth.

[Spambox]

Anything happens in the teachings. That's why they are exercises to prepare the crews. We saw how our tanks were drowned, overturned, pecked into the embankment with a cannon, stuck into the escarpment, slid on a slope, but no one draws a conclusion about the "effectiveness in real battle" T72, based on the incidents during the exercises. Do not underestimate the enemy, it will come out sideways.

[Mouse]

did not try to spike caterpillars ???

[hydrox]

Well, yes.
And wash the plates with shampoo so that the lumps do not slip ...

[novel66]

and garnish rosin

[Leopold]

Basil This is not ice, but concrete.

[Mouse]

depends on the spike! otherwise it’s not only concrete, but the rock can give in ...

[Leopold]

What strength should he have? I saw somewhere Abrams drives into such a hill, stops, and then rolls back. But he had rubber pads on the tracks.

[Mouse]

Quote: Leopold

But he had rubber pads on the tracks.

rubber is needed in other cases ....

[Leopold]

It is difficult to challenge this fact.

[novel66]

no need to narrow the scope of tasks

[novel66]

Serge !! climbing shoes seen?

[Leopold]

Why do I need it? I don’t have mountains either. You take an interest in the Kyrgyz, he climbs our mountains.

[novel66]

It was necessary to run away !!!

[Masha]

Hello, Roman!
If the body does not act, then it can only move without acceleration. On the contrary, the effect on the body of the force leads to acceleration, and the acceleration of the body will be the greater, the greater the force. The sooner we want to move the trolley with the load, the more we will have to strain our muscles. As a rule, two forces act on a moving body: accelerating - traction force, and braking - friction or air resistance.
in short ... it was necessary to give a kick !!!

[novel66]

Hello, hello all true, but no one canceled the inertia

[Masha]

so an inertia push is needed! that is, a voiced kick under ....

[novel66]

uh no! since we finally switched to physics - a kick is an impulse of force, and inertia is accumulated energy, I'm not only a philologist

[Masha]

a hedgehog is also a bird ... only proud! until you kick it will not fly !!!

[novel66]

By the way, it refers to many, here’s the wife who thinks so about me

[Tank jacket]

Roman, I welcome, and what if you deploy the tower, fire a shot and use the recoil momentum of the gun?

[novel66]

Ruslan, the kindest !!! there was such a topic !!

[Tank jacket]

Wow, wonderful, sparkling cartoon, Roman, amused

[novel66]

you are always welcome, you can call me

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tank jacket

Roman, I welcome, and what if you deploy the tower, fire a shot and use the recoil momentum of the gun?

Giggles ... pomnitsa, at the Snails in the Tundra "Shilka" with a knocked-out engine when the turret turned aft and zero elevation angle began to crawl forward briskly when fire was opened.

[Tank jacket]

I am very glad that you have such pleasant memories of KGM

[Flatter]

The tank is on high-quality concrete, like a pedestrian on ice. I watched one day when a tracked ATL at good speed jumped onto a wide freeway, several revolutions, like a skater, and into a ditch.

[novobranets]

If "city" tracks with rubber shoes do not go, then steel lugs in general will slide like on ice.

[rocket757]

In connection with these questions arise for the combat effectiveness of an armored car in a real battle, where obstacles may turn out to be different, including the option of coverage.

The plates had to be painted with oil, oil !!! to enhance the effect.

[novel66]

and water it, snickering maliciously Victor, hi

[rocket757]

Quote: novel xnumx

and water it, snickering maliciously Victor, hi

Hello Roman
Initiative fools - RI - ki not only we have! They chose the color to taste, Schaub's eyes pleased the authorities and go!

[Prisoner]

Either the concrete is good, or the tracks are bad. As an option, a mechanical driver is a dropout.

[Spambox]

This happens when an obstacle is new from fresh, uncut plates. They will roll it up, gouge it, send it with a zemlyok, the driver will kick in the ass, and there will be norms, they will fly.

[Strashila]

What can be the heights for the tank from the EU, the autobahn and only the autobahn.

[Avior]

Do other tanks have non-metallic tracks?
They do not slip metal on concrete, if you have too much gas?

[Karabas]

It can be stated that for a multi-ton tank, the tracks did not cope with the task - from the physical point of view, the necessary friction (adhesion) indicators were not achieved.

I was always amazed at the glamorous look of European gusli, there were always suggestions that to the detriment of the functionality. Now confirmed.

[Forest]

Therefore, they are embarrassed to come to the tank biathlon)

[Oquzyurd]

They are used to shooting at targets from 4-5 km, and the biathlon is max 1800 meters. They are apparently not interested.

[garri-lin]

This is what leo can get from 5 km? And why? Yes, and for a long time stob habit developed?

[Oquzyurd]

We are silent about the A7. Even the already old Leopard 2 A6 (2001-2003) is a Leopard 2 A5 with a 120-mm cannon with a barrel length of 55 calibers. Shell DM53 with an initial speed of 1750 m / s. Fire with these shells can be conducted at ranges up to 5000 m. The high efficiency of the projectile for the PURPOSE is achieved due to its large length, mass, flight speed and high-strength material used to produce the projectile. It is made continuous from a special alloy based on depleted uranium.

[garri-lin]

Can you indicate speed at a distance of 5 km? Or 3 km? And about uranium in more detail in the German shell.

[KPblC]

OBPS has an average speed loss of 30-50 M / S per kilometer.

[Mephody]

Aren't you confusing Leopard with Abrams? Repeatedly slipped information that the Germans just refrained from using depleted uranium.

[Forest]

5 km of rough terrain, the tank will not even be visible, the result is obvious Ours can shoot 5 km, but work out this distance, because it is necessary for military operations, and not for advertising a heavy target)

[Den717]

Obviously, the tank got stuck on the obstacle of a standard tank training facility. Usually at a tank-launch site, all obstacles are not made the same as they are found on an unprepared area of ​​the terrain, but are additionally fortified, because a large number of vehicles must pass through them with minimal destruction of the obstacle. So they dressed the slope with concrete slabs. At one time, when I was in command of the MSR, I had a ward tanker, where we also contrived to make obstacles stable in the passage of tracked vehicles. For example, an anti-tank ditch (obstacle No. 1) was equipped with a descent and ascent with concrete slabs, logs were laid on top, and the track was lined with tank caterpillar belts. the side walls were reinforced with logs. This obstacle was enough to train 300 BMP driver-mechanics during a 5-month training course. The BMP drove over this obstacle 2-3 thousand times. If there were bare concrete, our machines would be in trouble. The tankers with their tank training grounds were full of grief. This is understandable, tanks destroy any device. Here, in the article, there is obviously a freshly finished "fresh". IMHO

[Berkut24]

Somehow I doubt that in a real battle the Swedes during the assault will get perfect concrete coverings.

[kamikaze]

and how are they going to fight in the territory of RUSSIA, these MIRACLES of the UDO Swedes even if they have not overcome the small hill that the Soviet old UAZ-66 can climb

[brom]

And UAZ-66 - is it something like this?

[Sasha_rulevoy]

Quote: kamikaze

how are they going to fight on the territory of RUSSIA

Sweden has no common borders with Russia.

[Rusj]

Here are the freaks! At the training ground, simple conscripts simply did not even notice such inclines! This is what Europeans have become and what they have become! Great warriors who conquered a planet! Tolerastia kills countries!

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

In the American review of tanks of all time, T-34 took third place - it is easily repaired, Abrams - second, power and beauty, Leopard - first, Americans were struck by sound-absorbing internal insulation, anatomical crew seats on air bags, and a media center, video and stereo.

[gafarovsafar]

Tolerastia kills countries! [/ Quote]
call a spade a spade not pelerasty

[Ilya_Nsk]

Stunned? There is 45 °! Not a single tank will ever come into contact .. This one might have stopped if it had been a ground lift ..

[bk316]

There is 45 °!

there are no 25

[nivander]

the caterpillar has nothing to do with it - the water driver stuck the wrong speed and got scared

[Fonmeg]

It was a Christmas tree! Christmas tree !!!

[Pavel57]

Get up with a Christmas tree song and a ladder.

[tank64rus]

This indicates a lack of chassis and crew training.

[Rocj]

I think the driver did not calculate and began to rise at 2 speeds, instead of the first. it's my opinion. I don’t think there is such a weak engine

[1970mk]

[gafarovsafar]

and at the very top of this hill, a grenade launcher was waiting for a tank but apparently didn’t wait