In Kiev, announced their intention to restore passenger communication with the Crimea

Kiev intends to restore state passenger traffic between Ukraine and the Crimea. It is reported by Radio Liberty with reference to a statement by the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Vladislav Krikliy.

According to the minister, the country's president has set the task of restoring passenger traffic between Ukraine and Crimea. Currently, he explained, the construction of two checkpoints entry-exit (CPVV) Chongar and Kalanchak. Construction is carried out by Ukrzaliznytsia (Ukrainian Railways). In the future, it is planned to identify official carriers that will organize passenger transportation.

CPVV, of course, we are building. Now there, due to certain problems, the construction was transferred and Ukrzaliznytsia became the customer. They are now engaged in this project. I think that in time, as the president set the task, it will all be built - CPVV Chongar and Kalanchak

- said Krikliy, adding that the official carriers will determine the local authority.

However, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine forgot to specify exactly which message - bus or rail - is going to launch Kiev.

Note that in spite of the mass arrival of Ukrainians on the peninsula during the holiday season, in Ukraine there is no official passenger connection with the Crimea. The former government, led by Poroshenko, sharply opposed the trips of Ukrainian citizens to the territory of the "occupied peninsula."

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

It remains to restore air traffic with Moscow. And stop bombing Donbass. And remove the "frostbitten" Natsik to where they belong - to prison ... And to investigate the murders on the Maidan and in Odessa. And finally hang Turchinov and Poroshenko for the massacre in Donbass ... And, and, and ...

[Pavel57]

And the time will come.

[bukhach]

Sorry to joke, this will not happen in the near future, except that our authorities will not bend. However, Russia had not only victories.

[krot]

They will go with the trunks to sell their Sumerian cucumbers))

[Evdokim]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It remains to restore air communication with Moscow.

But they forgot to ask Russia, maybe it (the message) and we don’t need to at all, let them walk across the border on foot, and walking with the Chumadans is good for health.

[alexmach]

But they forgot to ask Russia, maybe it (the message) and we don’t need to at all, let them walk across the border on foot, and walking with the Chumadans is good for health.

I believe that Russia and specifically Crimea will only benefit.

[stalki]

I believe that Russia and specifically Crimea will only benefit

First, let the water return to Crimea, and there they scratch the tongue. This, of course, is only for the benefit of people. But we must look for conscience, where it was lying around?

[alexmach]

Water is a completely different matter. Yes, of course, water is more important than transportation, but there’s no PR.
But the minister has already changed his mind and turns his statement over.

[Deathmaker]

In 404 there are few solvent. The bulk of the rides on the car and removes Deshman shacks.

[alexmach]

The bulk goes to cars

Yeah .. precisely because

In 404 there are few solvent

and takes off Deshmanic shacks.

Of which in Crimea, 80 percent of the housing stock ..

[Zaurbek]

And they are not cheap

[New Year day]

Quote: Evdokim

But they forgot to ask Russia, maybe it (the message) and we don’t need to at all, let them walk across the border on foot, and walking with the Chumadans is good for health.

my classmate’s mother, 78 years old, walks with a trolley full of clothes and crosses the neutral lane to catch a train to Dnepropetrovsk. The same movements and in the opposite direction. Half of Crimeans have relatives on the other side, order not to communicate?

[sabakina]

Sylvester, what if one day the train will be "filled"? Is there not enough Volgograd railway station?

[New Year day]

Quote: sabakina

and if one day the train will be "stuffed"? Is there not enough Volgograd railway station?

I hope that the corresponding services do not eat bread for nothing. After all, matches in the house can cause a fire

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: sabakina

Sylvester, what if one day the train will be "filled"? Is there not enough Volgograd railway station?

Are you not afraid of your shadow for an hour? Was at least one Ukrainian citizen of the terrorist attacks that took place in Russia? No. All our southern "brothers", but for some reason you are not afraid of them, but the Ukrainians are already scared themselves, and even scare others. This is not good.
I do not exclude the possibility of a terrorist attack from Ukraine, but it is not worth exaggerating this probability.

[New Year day]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I do not exclude the possibility of a terrorist attack from Ukraine, but this probability should not be exaggerated.

In fairness, it must be said that several years ago one gutsul in Rostov was taken while preparing for the terrorist attack

[ananias mudishev]

And the murders of Russians in the Donbass, is this not a terrorist attack?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Ananias Mudishev

And the murders of Russians in the Donbass, is this not a terrorist attack?

In the Donbass, not only Russians are killed, but also Ukrainians. Therefore, this is not a terrorist attack, but a civil war.

[AAK]

Well, why, remember the Ukrainian DRG’s breakthrough across the border in Crimea in 2016, when 1 soldier of the Airborne Forces and 1 officer of the FSB died during repression,

[Lipchanin]

Yes, at least one of this Zelenkin will do, it will be his last action as President of Ukraine

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Lipchanin

In Kiev, announced their intention to restore passenger communication with the Crimea

Who would let him do this? already tried to start his game, quickly put him in his place, where he should be and what to do.

[tihonmarine]

Note that in spite of the mass arrival of Ukrainians on the peninsula during the holiday season, in Ukraine there is no official passenger connection with the Crimea.

Well, let them sit at home in an independent building, there’s nothing for the occupiers to rest on a ride.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tihonmarine

Note that in spite of the mass arrival of Ukrainians on the peninsula during the holiday season, in Ukraine there is no official passenger connection with the Crimea.

Well, let them sit at home in an independent building, there’s nothing for the occupiers to rest on a ride.

They come to earn money in Sevastopol .... A lot of people from Ukraine are in the city ... Let them work, watch, and see clearly ..

[novel66]

fuck you need, all sorts of shepherds will be rummaged around Crimea

[cniza]

Even now they are roaming around, and so they will roam in droves.

[Lelek]

Quote: cniza

Even now they are roaming around, and so they will roam in droves.

Let them come to the RUSSIAN CRIMEA, spend money, gain intelligence under the pans, But the FSB will add more work. And the status of Crimea (albeit indirectly) is also confirmed by the "lady" with a scythe:

[Lipchanin]

Quote: novel xnumx

fuck you need, all kinds of shepherins will be rummaged around Crimea

Only drown

[alexmach]

fuck you need, all sorts of shepherds will be rummaged around Crimea

Why is it necessary? Well, the most commonplace is there are people, families who live on opposite sides of the border, here they need it.
It will again be easier for tourists to come. Until 2014, there were 3 \ 4 Ukrainian tourists in Crimea. It was possible to get from Kiev there just for a couple of days - on weekends by night trains even with a tent to get to.
Well, any other economy should also benefit from this.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: alexmach

Crimea until 2014 was 3 \ 4 Ukrainian tourists.

One tenth was from Ukraine from the flow of tourists .. "Tourists" came in with their own salt, matches and potatoes, and bellowed how expensive everything in Crimea is. But there are only Russians here and everyone speaks Russian ... I could only hear - "skilki ze is worth" and "sho at kryzhopele tse is cheaper." The remaining nine-tenths were from Russia and the CIS countries.

[alexmach]

The remaining nine tenths were from Russia and the CIS countries

Well .. this is not entirely true. There were a majority of Ukrainians, simply because of geography. Even the Russian media wrote about this in the years 14-15.
And yes, in Crimea it’s still expensive, and the mentality of, say, maintenance personnel is specific.

[Xnumx vis]

Just do not tell me this nonsense .. There were more tourists from Ukraine .. The Russians mostly went for a vacation ... For them, in Crimea, everything was half the price than in Russia. Products, fruits, accommodation, services, domino wine and other and other .. They felt like millionaires, and tourists drooling around swallowed while looking at their carts in supermarkets ... About the fact that now everything is expensive ... It's you, got excited again ... This year I had guests from Chernigov .. They took checks from the supermarket to show to their people in Chernigov .. Prices in Sevastopol and Crimea are comparable with the prices of Ukrainian .. In non-cash "melodious and flowering" intimidate their
peresichnyh lumps crazy prices and the FSB. De everything is expensive and the FSB grabs and hides on Kolyma! Yes, boorish staff can and on ... send! People in front of boor no longer bend ..

[alexmach]

Just don’t tell me this nonsense .. There were more tourists from Ukraine .. fellow Russians mostly went for a vacation ... For them, in Crimea, everything was half the price than in Russia

But this nonsense is not necessary for me to tell. Holidays in Crimea have never been cheap for anyone. Yes, for cheap it was possible to live in a barn, normal conditions cost as much as anywhere else in Europe. Itself was there in 2012 for the last time, some Russian tourists wondered why everything is so expensive and so bad, and why they did not go to Turkey.

We traveled mainly from Ukraine because it was closer to go from Ukraine, flying there across a half-continent from some Moscow did not make much sense, because for the same money you could fly to choose from a bunch of places with a better sea and service.

They felt like millionaires, and tourists drove drooling droplets while watching their carts in supermarkets.

This year, guests from Chernigov had a rest with me .. They took checks from the supermarket

I’m probably the wrong tourist, I have never been to a supermarket in the Crimea for 2 trips as an adult. I can’t say anything about this.

De everything is expensive

Well .. my particular hotel in Crimea was the same as the hotel in Spain, with comparable quality ...

[Xnumx vis]

I do not want to argue.

From Ukraine, so from Ukraine ... For God's sake ... stay with your opinion ..

[alexmach]

I do not want to argue.

Well, on that and we will agree. It is foolish to argue that "cheap" and "expensive" are still subjective concepts.

[Antares]

Quote: 30 vis

The remaining nine tenths were from Russia and the CIS countries

3 times was. Last time in 2013-September.
Some Ukrainians. I saw Muscovites in Koktebel
By the way, they took only money with them. What is the point of going to another part of Ukraine, carrying something? You’ll get tired of dragging. Especially water.

[Xnumx vis]

There were almost no tourists in Sevastopol until the age of 13, almost none even now .. And if they arrived. so with your matches and salt ....

There are a lot of people from DNR and LNR! ... And this is not Svido Ukrainians from krezhopels and dumped .. with their eternal "Skilki tse kostue? And Sho-sho !!!"

[beeper]

In Crimea, alas, there are still enough local naturalized Bandera and Turkoman "sympathizers" and "recruits", so to "get scared" of the increasing influx of ordinary Ukrainian citizens who want to have a cultural rest, their own (by no means free! ) a visit to objectively contributing to the tourism and infrastructure development of Crimea, as well as the propaganda of the anti-Russian-anti-Crimean myths imposed by the Nazis, I think, is not worth it ?!
The Crimean authorities and Crimeans still have a lot to do on the peninsula in order to overcome the grim consequences of the "perestroika" and "Nezalezhnitsa" destructive timelessness, although the Crimean roads and the transforming infrastructure of the South Coast of Crimea are already inspiring optimism in me!
Taking this opportunity, I draw the attention of the Crimean authorities to the deplorable, even worse than in Ukraine, the state of the famous HISTORICAL Solar (Tsar's) Path leading from the Livadia Palace to the sanatorium "Yasnaya Polyana" - apart from several updated benches and several new garbage cans, its condition is simple shameful for the tourist image of Crimea!
Abandoned and filthy, the famous toilet, built even for the "darling Leonid Ilyich", right in the middle of this popular among tourists (German tourists, those on bicycles passed it en masse in Ukraine!) And vacationers, the hiking trail is still, never-ending, passing from power to power, our common Shame right against the backdrop of the picturesque South Coast, the sea and Yalta!
Is it really impossible to do anything for at least minimal refinement of this iconic Trail, one of the local Crimean Sights, at least to restore inscriptions and motivating cement tablets (with distance traveled and altitude above sea level) broken by vandals (so that their arms and legs dry out !!!) ?!

[Xenofont]

The etymology of the word "shpigun" comes from shpig (lard). So, the spigun is the one who is looking for the captured bacon.

[novel66]

it's ... strong !!

[Sergei 777]

Construction is being carried out by Ukrzaliznytsia (Ukrainian Railways).

However, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine forgot to specify exactly which message - bus or rail - is going to launch Kiev.

Well, with the permission of the author of the article, I venture to suggest that we are talking about the railway message

[major071]

Sergei 777
Well, with the permission of the author of the article, I venture to suggest that we are talking about the railway message

You can take a chance, but even in Kiev they don’t know what message will be open. Most likely a bus, because the rails have long been handed over for scrap, but there are no pennies on new ones yet.

[alexmach]

You can take a chance, but even in Kiev they don’t know what message will be open. Most likely a bus, because the rails have long been handed over for scrap, but there are no pennies on new ones yet. wink hi

Yes, it’s there, most likely these crazy people have dismantled a small section of the tracks, it’s a trifle to restore it, there would be a desire.

[Lelek]

Quote: alexmach

Yes, it’s there, most likely these crazy people have dismantled a small section of the tracks, it’s a trifle to restore it, there would be a desire.

Not certainly in that way. It's not even about the rails, but about whose trains will carry out the transit, what level of control at border crossing points, what documents are required for crossing and whether the Ukrainian side will remove the laws adopted in relation to Russia, as an enemy with which Ruina has been waging a war for 5 years ... Well, and a bunch of small questions. And without this, talk about messages Crimea-Ruin - "blah-blah-blah."

[alexmach]

It’s not even a matter of rails, but whose trains will transit, what level of control at border crossing points, what documents are needed for crossing

This, by the way, is an interesting question. There, in my opinion, not everything is trivial from a legal point of view, but in general, Ukrainian trains still go to Russia, like Moscow-Bratislava through Ukraine. And so - the option is only one in fact, there are no other trains besides the Ukrainian ones. The Crimean Railways, if anything, is only for local traffic, well, not counting those trains that go along the Kerch Bridge. I once went there by trains assigned to the Western (Ukrainian) Railways.

And the minister has already changed his mind, while he also said such funny things

Ukrainian carriers exclusively in Ukraine

But what about Crimea-this is Ukraine? In general, the guys cannot follow the bazaar. Either the President or the Minister will freeze something ...

[knn54]

Railway message break:
-violates the rules of the WTO.
-financial losses, because the Russian direction is EXTREMELY profitable.

[210ox]

Exactly ... But what about? Ali’s wind in your pocket? And if you build a checkpoint, it’s actually a recognition that Crimea is lost. It seems that visibility has been preserved, saying that we are not building it thoroughly because it is an administrative border ..

[Thrifty]

They lead the tunnel directly along the bottom of the Black Sea, on it to the temple goat in our Crimea and will ride. ..perhaps. ..

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

What for?..
Will Gaster from NesalEzhezhnaya ride better, with the pieces of bacon, potatoes and co-bass, which they gain for three months, for ,, survival, “with AHressor ?.

[beeper]

Haha, you, however, a joker, Andrei Nikolaevich!
Plus from me for your sense of humor!
Ask the Russian customs what products and how many of them can be safely transported to Russia from Ukraine - I see that you are not "Copenhagen" in this, no offense, "survive" exactly 90 days (not "three months"!) minuscule (lard and meat are prohibited from Ukraine to the Russian and Belarusian territory, so you know!) will definitely not work!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Pishchak, I agree with you .. Not a specialist ..
However, in 2008, I was fortunate to go by train, Odessa-Moscow, you would have seen these, former brothers, who went to work! .. Each has two bags. In the first - drills, punchers, and other tools. In the second - a bag with grub - pieces of bacon, sausage, onions, tomatoes, cucumbers .. Shmon - impossible!
PS But I did not see personal hygiene items, removable trousers, socks, T-shirts for this globular gang .. :-) and this is in the compartment. Imagine what was going on in reserved seats .. :-)

[Antares]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

However, in 2008, I was fortunate to go by train, Odessa-Moscow

2014 had a fortune to Bryansk. The cars are half empty. Some mothers with children (who have mixed families or Russian citizenship) traveled. There were just half the population of children.
By the way, it was the same back. Only Ukrainian citizenship prevailed.
But it was just a period when the Russians were scared for permanent residence.
But the train to St. Petersburg was remembered for transporting anything in the cabin ... from crates with cherries to trunks and other junk .. That's where I would say some sort of passenger-and-freight train.

[Kontrik]

Kiev intends to restore state passenger traffic between Ukraine and the Crimea.

The applicants are pan .. damn .. Do you remember how you equipped the "train of friendship" from Kiev to the Crimea? They were waiting for you there with sticks and rebar at ALL stations!
The train came empty ha ha ha. They jumped as they waited along the train .. I wanted to live!
Let the train go if the slogans are Glory to Russia-Crimea! And the march of Slavyanka ..
And so we went into the duplicate.

[Nycomed]

And if the slogans are "God Save the Tsar!" or "The unbreakable union of the free republics
Great Russia united forever. "In this case, let’s let it go?

[sabakina]

Quote: Nycomed

And if the slogans are "God Save the Tsar!" or "The unbreakable union of the free republics
Great Russia united forever. "In this case, let’s let it go?

What to do, Nycomed, what to do ... Sometimes you have to sing and stand on the hood ....

[Kontrik]

Quote: Nycomed

And if the slogans are "God Save the Tsar!" or "The unbreakable union of the free republics
Great Russia united forever. "In this case, let’s let it go?

Rather, they will immediately miss it, with such songs and dances .. heh heh ..


Zionism, everywhere crawl without soap ..

[Antares]

Quote: Kontrik

Let the train go if the slogans are Glory to Russia-Crimea! And the march of Slavyanka ..

there will be no such requirements.
For stupid and impractical.
Although in the spirit of cheers of patriots, neither Kiev nor Ukraine will recognize Crimea.
But life and money dictate these requirements. Legal message.

[Lipchanin]

Now there, due to certain problems, this construction was handed over and the customer was Ukrzaliznytsia. They are working on this project now.

So they’re kind of like this, I won’t say it, they were going to sell

[Nycomed]

Let them sell, this is their business. And the rails with sleepers too? And if there are rails and sleepers, then who is stopping the new owner from restoring passenger traffic?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nycomed

And if there are rails and sleepers, then who is stopping the new owner from restoring passenger traffic?

So this is Ukraine. Will jump again to which "sector", and they will disassemble the rails. Remember the blockade of railway tracks in Donbass

[Nycomed]

So this, again, is their business. They will disassemble them on their own territory. And for the subsidized Crimea, every penny is important, and it doesn't matter where it comes from: from the citizens of the Russian Federation, from the citizens of the "square" or from somewhere else.

[cniza]

However, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine forgot to specify exactly which message - bus or rail - is going to launch Kiev.

It’s necessary not to specify - there won’t be any, the authorities cannot rule the country, because everything is controlled by nationalists - the Nazis.

[alexmach]

It’s necessary not to specify - there won’t be any, the authorities cannot rule the country, because everything is controlled by nationalists - the Nazis.

So there will be a good example of who is there and what controls.

[gridasov]

The happy Ukrainian people, who were forbidden by the advice of one thing, and the new authorities who changed their names, are another. The happy slave life is thought by us and decided by one or the other

[Antares]

Quote: gridasov

The happy Ukrainian people who were forbidden during the councils one thing, and changed their names, modern power is another

administrative methods in the matter of language yes. Apparently there is no European experience, but a Soviet dofig.
Therefore, the Venice Commission was refused. It is easier as before.

Quote: gridasov

The happy slave life is thought by us and decided by one or the other

Yes, our countries are characterized by little citizen interference in management, life and decision-making.

[gridasov]

To implement reform processes, it is necessary to understand what needs to be done and for what results. And what mediocre, frankly not smart can come up with,
irresponsible, replacing one another, but generated by one system people are nothing but to rename previously applied methods.

[Sergei 23]

Good news. It is necessary to restore the message (like dialogue at different levels) simply because the population of our states has a need.

[beeper]

Buses and minibuses traveling to the Ukrainian-Russian border along broken Ukrainian auto "directions" of the Crimean region quickly deteriorate and often break down on the way!
And the car trip itself is very tiring for Ukrainian drivers and passengers, especially with small children, with this slow scrupulous looping between potholes and bumps, careful detours of deep holes along the side of the road (only occasionally alternating short sections of the repaired roadway, where it is possible to go straight , without going to the "oncoming" and not scary, even for this short period of the way, increase the speed!)!
So the "Maidan authorities", who in words allegedly "care about the Ukrainian population", need to restore the railway communication with the Crimea and really repair the "dead" roads in the Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk regions, so that it would be possible to freely get to the peninsula !
Let the authorities also involve in the restoration of the railway communication with the Crimea and road repairs, on a compulsory basis, and the Nazis-pests from the railway Bandera and Turkoman gangs, which destroyed it all, blew up and "blocked (profiting a lot from this !!!) "Let them compensate for the huge damage done to the state and fellow citizens with their hump and property!
And it’s enough to hostilely swamp the Kherson region, kill the ecology of the Sea of ​​Azov, Sivash and Prykrymya-it’s time to send the Dnieper water to the Crimean Canal for the common good!

[Antares]

Quote: pishchak

And it’s enough to hostilely swamp the Kherson region, kill the ecology of the Sea of ​​Azov, Sivash and Prykrymya-it’s time to send the Dnieper water to the Crimean Canal for the common good!

new structures were built for this.
They tried to direct. The Russian Federation refused the contract. And recently they said that we do not need such water.
So there is no need.

[Nycomed]

Why not? The Crimeans have many relatives in Ukraine, the flow of tourists from Ukraine is approximately equal to the Russian, in addition, the Russians prefer to spend their holidays in other places. In the past few years, Georgia has become very attractive to Russians, for example. So why should not Ukrainians go on vacation to Crimea and leave currency there? So personally, I do not see any obstacles to the restoration of passenger traffic between the Crimea and Ukraine.

[Retvizan 8]

... "However, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine forgot to clarify what kind of communication - bus or railway" ...
There is a suggestion:
if they want, then let them restore shipping and sail to the Crimea along the Dnieper channel!))

[Nycomed]

Was the Dnieper Canal suitable for the passage of cruise ships?

[Retvizan 8]

Why cruise ships, let them swim on longboats.))

[rocket757]

What's this? What is this for?

[Incvizitor]

As if the bandera in the Crimea did not fit, otherwise it will spoil everything.

[Vladimir61]

According to the Minister (Ukraine), the President set the task to restore passenger traffic between Ukraine and the Crimea.

Is this the main problem?
Before allowing anything, in terms of opening transportation, Russia must receive guarantees of safe border crossing for its citizens! Ukraine should legislatively prohibit the prosecution of Crimean citizens by special services and security forces, and bring radicals and others to criminal liability. Otherwise, we are creating a conveyor belt for detaining Crimeans and Russian citizens during their trips to the territory of Ukraine!

[Evil 55]

Somehow Crimeans forgot to ask about this ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Angry 55

Somehow Crimeans forgot to ask about this ...

I am personally for it. My friends, too. Families Disconnected

[Nycomed]

So let them ask what's the matter? Referendums, as we know, are held in Crimea "just once"!

[Mcar]

The former government, led by Poroshenko sharply opposed the trips of citizens of Ukraine to the territory of the "occupied peninsula".

Literally today I learned that from the letter of the law we did not "squeeze" Crimea from them, but they "squeezed" Ukraine together with Crimea from us.

From 52 minutes:

[New Year day]

Quote: alexmach

I believe that Russia and specifically Crimea will only benefit.

exactly! Immediately after the elections, Ukrainian railroad workers restored the dismantled routes to the Crimea. Now, obviously, the hour "X"

[singless]

Toads jumping back to the USSR.

[Avior]

Not quite stated

Kiev was not going to restore passenger communication with the Crimea, but would allow buses across Ukraine from the construction of the Chongar and Kalanchak checkpoints on the administrative border of the peninsula with the Kherson region across Ukraine, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Vladislav Krikli wrote on Facebook.

“It is about creating human conditions for passengers who can take a legal Ukrainian carrier bus at a station near the checkpoint,” the official wrote.

[Lexus]

In Kiev, announced their intention to restore passenger communication with the Crimea

Will they give up?

[Mavrikiy]

In Kiev, announced their intention to restore passenger communication with the Crimea

1. Does Crimea need this? Did they miss Bandera? 2. Crimea - Russia. From the beginning of the request, then permission, there may be, and there may not be.

[Pavel57]

It’s necessary to restore relations, let it be step by step.