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Bulgarian-made MT-LB imported to Ukraine via India

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Ukrainian media reported on a complex pattern of the purchase of the country's Ministry of Defense armored vehicles from foreign suppliers.


Bulgarian-made MT-LB imported to Ukraine via India

The use of MT-LB by the Ukrainian national battalion "Azov" (extremist formation, prohibited in the Russian Federation)


As it turns out, in July 2019, the state-owned company, Specialized Foreign Trade Company Progress, purchased ten Bulgarian-made MT-LB armored vehicles. The price for one "motor league" amounted to about 13 thousand dollars when implementing such a contract.

At the same time, Ukrainian reporters found that Bulgarian-made armored vehicles were delivered from India. But earlier there was no evidence that MT-LB was operated in India. But the "motorcycle leagues" are in service with the army of Bangladesh, neighboring with India.

The presented fragment of the document indicates that MT-LB was transported by sea from India by the carrier "Falcon". The same document states that "there is no data on the manufacturer (firm)." But it also states that Bulgaria is the producer country of MT-LB.


The acquisition reports say that Ukraine is acquiring MT-LB (a modification of MT-LB-S) as “ambulance armored vehicles”. They have already managed to inflict red crosses.

The state defense order for the purchase of armored vehicles abroad in Ukraine was placed in 2015. Until recently, the private company VK System was engaged in its implementation.

MT-LB is a multi-purpose transport tractor. Armored vehicles used by the armies of a number of countries. It is noteworthy that one of the manufacturers of "motolig" was the Kharkov Tractor Plant. On the 2017 year, the Ukrainian army had more than 1,8 thousand MT-LB. In this regard, the question arose in Ukraine itself, why in the 2015-2019 years of the Ministry of Defense of the country it was necessary to purchase such armored vehicles of Bulgarian production, and even import from the Indian port. It is quite possible to implement another corruption scheme.
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  1. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 25 September 2019 10: 28
    0
    How actively they began to "dig" under the "Poroshenko regime" ...
    It is felt that a "big" cleansing of the "skakuas" leaders is being prepared. That's right - the Moor has done his job, the Moor must go ...
    And still surfaced - the revolution always devours its children. And they, no matter how you say: Maidan, the whirlpool - it was precisely the revolution, i.e. change of power by armed means.
    Now all the "odious" leaders will be "cleaned out", more "liberal" ones will come, although the state's ideology will not change. No matter how full-scale civil war is started. And what? Westerners against ... against whom it does not matter, what matters is against ...
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 25 September 2019 10: 36
      +3
      First of all, it is necessary to "clean up" Avakov. The rest will scatter themselves.
    2. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 25 September 2019 10: 36
      +2
      "And it also surfaced - the revolution always devours its children"
      They "eat" every president.
      1. venik
        venik 25 September 2019 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        They "eat" every president.

        =====
        Alas - NOT EVERYONE !!! (IT'S A PITY!). It just so happened that in "hohlyandiya" (and not only among them!) - EVERY subsequent "prezydent" is WORSE than the previous one !!! request
    3. private person
      private person 25 September 2019 10: 41
      +1
      How actively they began to "dig" under the "Poroshenko regime" ...
      It is felt that a "big" cleansing of the "skakuas" leaders is being prepared. That's right - the Moor has done his job, the Moor must go ...

      All this is an imitation of stormy activity, and things are still there. Poroshenko has clearly made it clear that he will not be overseas friends "will not give offense.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 25 September 2019 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Honest Citizen
      And they, no matter how you say: Maidan, the whirlpool - it was precisely the revolution, i.e. change of power by armed means ..

      Well, if they had a revolution, then what happened to us in 1917? Second coming?
      Revolution (from the Latin. Revolutio - turn, change) - a way of transition from one socio-political system to another, more progressive, through active actions of the citizens themselves.

      A coup is a violent overthrow of one ruling elite by another elite (opposition) without the participation of the broad masses, and there is no significant change in the social and state structure.

      Putch (German: Putsch) - a coup d'etat carried out by a small group of conspirators, as well as an attempt to commit one
    5. AnderS
      AnderS 26 September 2019 12: 14
      0
      And still surfaced - the revolution always devours its children. And they, no matter how you say: Maidan, the whirlpool - it was precisely the revolution, i.e. change of power by armed means.

      Do not bullshit, citizen.
      According to the definition, "Revolution is a radical, radical, deep, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, coupled with an open break with the previous state. Revolution as a qualitative leap in development, as faster and more significant changes ..."
      What do you think was the "revolution" in Ukraine? What is the quantum leap? As oligarchic capitalism was in Ukraine, it has remained ... What is the "revolution"? The fact that one gang in power has replaced another, and even then not completely, tk. many characters, both in the old and in the new government, feel quite well?
      And it happens - a coup d'etat:
      "A coup d'etat (in short, a coup d'etat) is a change of power in a state, which is necessarily carried out in violation of the current constitutional and legal norms [1], usually with the use of force to seize the centers of government and the implementation of physical isolation (arrest or liquidation) of those acting leaders [2]. "
      This definition is much more suitable for Ukraine, so there is no need to use the terms incorrectly.
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 25 September 2019 10: 28
    +1
    Hindi-russi-phai phai!
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 25 September 2019 10: 29
    +2
    Brothers, lately, chill forever!
    At the moment, they are most active in creating nasty things for Russia.
    And not only Russia. They probably put the weapons of ISIS most of all.
    They just jump out of their pants.
    1. GRF
      GRF 25 September 2019 10: 53
      -3
      The Russian-Soviet flag and your pride in your brothers bring me into dissonance ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 September 2019 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: GRF
        The Russian-Soviet flag and your pride in your brothers bring me into dissonance ...

        let sir clarify .. cognitive dissonance? what
        1. GRF
          GRF 25 September 2019 11: 12
          0
          the doctor says yes, but I do not insist ...)
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 25 September 2019 11: 51
            +2
            Quote: GRF
            the doctor says yes, but I do not insist ...)

            Do not hit the doctor, he treats as best he can, lol and you need a company, three days in nature, well ... all that wink and your mind will be "stitched". shades will appear, and moves ..
          2. venik
            venik 25 September 2019 14: 07
            -1
            Quote: GRF
            the doctor says yes, but I do not insist ...)

            =========
            "Doctors" - "for soap"! And you, my dear - in the "sober" !!!
            Less need to "look in the neck" !! wassat
    2. pytar
      pytar 25 September 2019 11: 19
      +4
      Brothers, lately, chill forever!

      And what about bros? The article clearly states that the Ukrainian "SVF" Progress "bought Yeti cars from India! Armed with Bangladesh! Let me explain: Bangladesh acquired them from the Bulgarian VF "Kintex" in 2015! Resold now, through an Indian intermediary!
      At the moment, they are most active in creating nasty things for Russia.

      At the moment, the most active in that direction against Bulgaria, some forum users ...
      They probably put the weapons of ISIS most of all.

      Probably? Or is it still not ...? The terrorists have weapons produced in many countries of the world, including Russian! Bulgaria and Russia have never sold weapons to terrorists! The blame for the ego of the presence of the barmaley is the one who bought it!
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 September 2019 12: 05
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        The terrorists have weapons produced in many countries of the world, including Russian! Bulgaria and Russia have never sold weapons to terrorists! The blame for the ego of the presence of the barmaley is the one who bought it!

        Of course Boyan, who is the last one and Papa ... but Bulgaria, OIL, was leaked to ISIS (it is forbidden as manganese) ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 September 2019 12: 56
          -2
          but Bulgaria, very many weapons leaked to ISIS

          How many? Do you have specific data? And so that the merger is straight?
          Actually ... were you interested in country statistics on arms exports to the Middle East?
          By the way, I remind you that the topic is not that ...
          1. venik
            venik 25 September 2019 14: 49
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            [quote = pytar] How much? Do you have specific data? And so that the merger is straight?
            Actually ...
            ======
            Interestingly, and WHERE from Igilovites BULGARIAN AK ??? From "camel?"
            "..Actually... "There were not only Bulgarian" AKs "there ... But also something else! And also - BULGARIAN !!!
            Well, about the "specific data" - this "brother" must be special services contact .... That's where you will be explained: "when, WHO, how much and what ..."
            ---
            And as for YOUR "brotherly friendship", "brother", then we are HER "Felt"- and in the First World War, and in the Second !!! And NOW - with the" Bulgarian Stream "!!!!
            Enough! Got it !!! am
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 September 2019 15: 49
              -2
              Interestingly, and WHERE do the ISIS BULGARIAN AK ??? From "camel?"

              You answered your own question! Resell the Saudis, Jordanians, Americans and all and sundry! And where did the Russian come from? "Hashim" / RPG-32 / from where?
              Let me give you an example: you are Vladimir, you made a gun. Then they sold it to Ivan. He resold him to Sergei, and he killed a man from him. Vladimir is to blame ???
              Well, about "specific data" - this is "brother", you need to contact the special services ...

              You contacted them, but so categorically assert "where it is from and how it is!" Did they tell you in your ear? Yes?
              And as for YOUR "brotherly friendship", "brother", we "FEELED" IT - both in the First World War, and in the Second !!! And NOW - with "Bulgarian Stream" !!!!

              Do you personally, have it speaks on behalf of the State, on behalf of the people? I don’t, therefore I always speak in my own name.
  4. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 25 September 2019 10: 29
    0
    At the same time, Ukrainian reporters found that Bulgarian-made armored vehicles were delivered from India.
    another attempt to remove the tonsils through the anus.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2019 12: 55
      -1
      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      At the same time, Ukrainian reporters found that Bulgarian-made armored vehicles were delivered from India.
      another attempt to remove the tonsils through the anus.

      see, you like it ... have suffered?
  5. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 25 September 2019 10: 30
    +1
    For a mad dog, thousands of miles is not a hook. lol Alternatively, it could be transported through New Zealand.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 25 September 2019 10: 45
      -1
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Alternatively, it could be transported through New Zealand.

      Well, there’s an example lol
      He went to Odessa,
      And went to Kherson -
      The detachment was ambushed.
      To the left is an outpost
      Makhnovtsy - to the right,
      And ten left grenades
  6. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 25 September 2019 10: 31
    +3
    After such news, you begin to understand the Turks.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 September 2019 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      After such news, you begin to understand the Turks.

      but, you cease to understand anything at all ... the world has gone to pieces, there is no logic, no consistency, lies at the highest level are discussed on the sidelines as "controversial", black is now white, and 2 + 2 = 5 or 3 to whom how convenient. DEGRADATION!!! I don’t care, I’m old, I feel sorry for the children and grandchildren who were born in this chaos, further, worse, I didn’t dream about that.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 25 September 2019 11: 53
        0
        Well, at one time we dreamed about stars, other worlds ... But in the XNUMXst century no one can understand if there were people on the moon or not ...
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  8. rocket757
    rocket757 25 September 2019 10: 39
    +1
    The more muddy the logistics, the more intermediaries, the easier the little money stick to the hands of interested parties.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 September 2019 10: 41
    0
    "Nurse" with ZUSHKA. what What can the hucksters come up with that would deceive the people!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 September 2019 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      Nurse "with ZUshka. What only hucksters can think of,

      Soon the destroyer will be put on wheels, and they will write "Nurse".
  10. Mark
    Mark 25 September 2019 10: 46
    -1
    13 thousand for one MT LB, and this, taking into account intermediaries and complex logistics ??? What corruption is there? Yes, you have to reward such deals.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 25 September 2019 10: 58
      0
      Corruption is that making fictitious supplies from the EU is more difficult than from distant India.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 September 2019 11: 01
      0
      winked Not a specialist, but I think that rollbacks are not accepted to be documented.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 25 September 2019 11: 47
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      Quote: Mark
      13 thousand for one MT LB, and this, taking into account intermediaries and complex logistics ??? What corruption is there? Yes, you have to reward such deals.

      This is the amount of securities! The rest is in the "string bag". Customs fees, payments and duties come from the documented price. This scheme worked in Russia in the 90s, and it still occurs today. hi
      1. Mark
        Mark 25 September 2019 13: 17
        -1
        Impossible. The seller draws up an invoice for this amount and it passes through the bank. Excess money coming from the buyer can be regarded as washing or concealing taxes, etc. And the more so because here we are talking about military commodity positions, these are commissions, registration of UPC .... Here maybe they bought a repair fund, but then again, it’s impossible to buy cheap from Bulgarians :))
  11. Avior
    Avior 25 September 2019 10: 47
    +1
    bought for inexpensively - 13 thousand, at the price of an old car-- used motorized tires of Bulgarian manufacture from Bangladesh, delivery through an Indian port
    they are made in Kharkov, but the price is not 13 thousand at all ..
    confuses only the strange price in paper - 1,5. what's this?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 September 2019 10: 55
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      confuses only the strange price in paper - 1,5. what's this?

      The paper will endure.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 25 September 2019 12: 06
      0
      confuses only the strange price in paper - 1,5. what's this?

      Harvesting. Then they will enter zeros and the type of currency ... according to the situation ... otherwise I personally do not see the point in such a scam smile
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 September 2019 12: 18
        0
        where do you see a scam?
        bought cheaply on the occasion of the fairly new motorcycle boots from Bangladesh
  12. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 25 September 2019 10: 48
    0
    Indeed, it is somehow too complicated and stupid, with almost 2 thousand cars, to buy another 10 units. And the price ... And transportation ... And where is the dog buried here? laughing
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 September 2019 11: 04
      0
      Apparently there is some cunning Ukrainian plan. Coal from Africa, gas from America. Now here are the "motorcycle skiers" from Bulgaria through India. laughing
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 25 September 2019 11: 59
      0
      Nothing is stupid. This is their rehearsal of transporting the Iceland boats from America. wink
  13. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 25 September 2019 11: 14
    0
    carrier "Falcon"

    Musk invented the returnable rocket for the transfer of equipment! belay
  14. K-50
    K-50 25 September 2019 11: 25
    0
    Bulgarian-made MT-LB imported to Ukraine via India

    Why not through the South Pole? Or is it too close? what fellow lol
    1. Avior
      Avior 25 September 2019 12: 19
      0
      Is it possible to get closer from Bangladesh?
    2. pytar
      pytar 25 September 2019 13: 00
      -2
      Why not through the South Pole? Or is it too close?

      Because Bangladesh acquired a car with a Bulgarian company Kintex in 2015. Indian ports near Bangladesh.
      1. Mic1969
        Mic1969 26 September 2019 05: 59
        0
        But I wonder if Bulgaria pays Russia "royalties" for the manufactured MTLB, AK and other samples of Soviet weapons?
        1. pytar
          pytar 27 September 2019 11: 03
          0
          But I wonder if Bulgaria pays Russia "royalties" for the manufactured MTLB, AK and other samples of Soviet weapons?

          All Bulgarian MTLB produced before 1988 under then valid licenses. Bangladesh bought them second-hand in 2015. Despite the fact that they were in operation with the BA for a long time, the technical condition was assessed as satisfactory. According to AK and others, debated for decades, mainly in the information space. The Bulgarian side claims that disputes of this kind must be resolved in court! Bulgaria is ready to present its legal arguments there! But the Russian side did not file lawsuits against international arbitrations! What hinted at the lack of legal grounds for substantiating claims. In the end, recently agreed to solve the problem through bilateral negotiations. In view of the warming in relations, it is likely that they will reach a mutually acceptable solution in the near future.
          1. Mic1969
            Mic1969 27 September 2019 13: 55
            0
            Quote: pytar
            But the Russian side did not file lawsuits against international arbitrations! What hinted at the lack of legal grounds for substantiating claims.

            Rather, it is unlikely that you will get anything from the beggar "brothers" through European courts. And then you yourself will run into a fine as in the case of Gazprom - Naftogaz.

            Quote: pytar
            In view of the warming in relations, it is likely that they will reach a mutually acceptable solution in the near future.

            And this is unlikely, again because of the poverty of "brothers".
            1. pytar
              pytar 27 September 2019 14: 46
              0
              Rather, it is unlikely that you will get anything from the poor "brothers" through the European courts.

              Your assumptions diverge from the facts! smile Example: In 2016, by the decision of the Geneva International Arbitration, the Russian "Atomstroyexport" condemned Bulgaria for the termination of the Belene NPP project, for the payment of 620 million euros in penalties.
              And this is unlikely, again because of the poverty of "brothers".

              And here your assumptions have nothing to do with reality! bully During 2018, the GDP of the BG exceeded 51 billion euros. ZLV reserves reached 24,2 billion euros. External government debt ~ 30% of GDP. Beautiful presidency - third place in the EU! The economy is growing steadily 6-7 year with 3,4-3,8%. The budget is surplus. In terms of income per resident, Bulgaria was ahead of the Russian Federation.
              So, the situation is not the way you imagine it! hi
              1. Mic1969
                Mic1969 27 September 2019 20: 14
                0
                I wonder what is the proportion of EU subsidies in all this abundance ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 27 September 2019 22: 36
                  0
                  I wonder what is the proportion of EU subsidies in all this abundance ...

                  For 2018, about 1,3 billion euros, which is ~ 2,5% of GDP. The share is small, but still a help.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 September 2019 11: 34
    0
    MT-LB were transported by sea from India by the carrier "Falcon"
    And while the price is only 13 thousand per unit? Something is not enough. I would not be surprised if I "bought" it from myself, but arranged it as a delivery from India.
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 September 2019 13: 04
      -1
      Something is not enough. I would not be surprised if I "bought" it from myself, but arranged it as a delivery from India.

      No. Bangladesh acquired these MT-LBs as used ones back in 2015 and have been in service with him ever since. The level of "technical support", in view of the poverty of Bangladesh and the particular climate there, hardly added value.
  16. Moore
    Moore 25 September 2019 11: 40
    0
    Bagatotsilovy - it's five.
  17. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 25 September 2019 12: 00
    +1
    As it turns out, in July 2019, the state-owned company, Specialized Foreign Trade Company Progress, purchased ten Bulgarian-made MT-LB armored vehicles. The price for one "motor league" amounted to about 13 thousand dollars when implementing such a contract.

    And now we look at the prices for the Hammer mortar ... In order not to be unfounded, I attach a video of Sergei "Vatnik" Vasilevsky, from his cycle "Weapons of the ATO". You can trust him 100% - the man fought in the LNOB "Zarya" reconnaissance platoon since 2014, and he cuts in the subject:

    I will say in advance (if someone is too lazy to watch) that one "Hammer" for the APU costs about 20 thousand dollars (half a lam hryvnia). Mortar. Only the mortar itself. Moreover, there is also a Soviet mortar 2B11 ("Hammer" - its shitty Ukrainian copy) - more precisely, there is still a mortar complex "Sani", which, besides the 2B11 itself, includes either Ural-4320, or "shishiga", or even "motorcycle league"... Needless to say, "Sled" (even with a "motorcycle") - CHEAPER than one "Hammer", the cost of which in unfinished 404 is actually equal to the cost of "Nona"?

    So, motorcycle skiers from Bulgaria, even through India, are cheaper for the Armed Forces of Ukraine than independent "Molotov"! (who, hady takiyi, isho and in their own bullets)
  18. Lexus
    Lexus 25 September 2019 12: 51
    0
    Everyone around, "if not a friend, then a brother." Unpleasant "luck".
  19. g1v2
    g1v2 25 September 2019 14: 59
    0
    But this is already interesting. In theory, the VSU motalyg themselves should have hundreds - at least eat some booty. They were made in Kharkov. Yes, and about the resumption of pr-va said that in the plans. And here you have to buy. So there is generally trash. By the way, a few years ago, the Bulgarians in Iraq sold several hundred mtlb out of stock. Interestingly, dill from Iraq will buy them? And will Iraq sell?
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 September 2019 18: 17
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    “With the outbreak of the civil war in Syria, Bulgarian arms exports are growing by leaps and bounds, and Bulgarian defense enterprises are receiving new orders for Soviet-style weapons and ammunition from Saudi Arabia and the United States, transporting these weapons to the Syrian opposition, as well as from Iraq, which is fighting with the Islamic State *

    The Syrian war made rich Bulgarian gunsmiths exploiting the rich legacy of socialist times. Sofia’s arms export figures have grown at a tremendous pace since the outbreak of civil conflict in the ATS. In 2013, sales amounted to 235 million euros, in 2014 - 404 million euros, in 2015 - 643 million euros, in 2016 - already 1,015 billion euros. In 2017, as Alexander Manolev stated at HEMUS-2018, arms exports reached a record high, exceeding the 1,2 billion euro bar. tongue tongue
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    2. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 11: 57
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      ..weapons export reached a record high, exceeding the 1,2 billion euro bar

      Bulgaria, or rather firms registered in the country, sell weapons where they buy it. How do everyone. For comparison - 5 leading arms export countries of the world - USA, Russia, France, Germany and China, implement 75% !!! from world exports!
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 September 2019 18: 19
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    High-profile investigations by the Center for the Study of Corruption and Organized Crime (The Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, OCCRP) were devoted to supporting terrorists with weapons from the countries of the former socialist camp. According to experts, from Central and Eastern Europe "thousands of tons of weapons and ammunition were sent to four countries, which are the main sponsors of the fighting groups of the Syrian opposition - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Turkey."

    For Russia, Bulgaria’s participation in the indirect support of terrorism is of significant political and moral importance. Not only Syrian soldiers are killed from Bulgarian weapons, but also, possibly, Russian troops. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, since September 2015, 93 Russians have died in the SAR (combat losses - 43 people).

    This state of affairs does not bother the President of Bulgaria, Major General Rumen Radev, who counts on the extension of the "Turkish stream" to Europe through the territory of his country. At the same time, Sofia was previously one of the states that, yielding to Western pressure, buried the Russian South Stream project.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 13: 19
      0
      According to experts ...

      You can assume anything. smile
      ..four countries that are the main sponsors of the fighting groups of the Syrian opposition - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE and Turkey

      Short information in the subject: the Russian Federation offers SA, C-400, tanks and everything that the SA wants. Jordan - produced in Russia. Licenses for an enterprise built by the Russian Federation - RPG - 32 Barkas / Hashim /, Il-76, Ka-226. UAE - ZK Pantsir, PT Kornet-E. Turkey - a whole article can be written.
      This state of affairs does not bother the President of Bulgaria, Major General Rumen Radev, who counts on the extension of the "Turkish stream" to Europe through the territory of his country.

      RF and BG shook hands and called the ego "Balkan Stream"! The tender has ended, the contractor has been selected. Construction begins! In view of the enthusiasm of both sides, there is no reason for R. Radev to be embarrassed! laughing
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 September 2019 18: 20
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    Sofia sold 1080 mortars of various calibers, 400 machine guns, 1959 ATGL hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, 640 ATGL-H anti-tank grenade launchers to Iraq. US customers received 2794 machine guns, 578 machine guns, 1816 rifles, 352 ATGL-H anti-tank grenade launchers, 30 Fagot / Konkurs portable anti-tank systems and two UBGL grenade launchers.

    It can be seen from the nomenclature of deliveries that the Bulgarian industry produces mainly copies or modified versions of samples of Soviet weapons, which perfectly proved themselves in many regional conflicts. Inexpensive, reliable and unpretentious Soviet weapons form the basis of the arsenal of some regular armies and almost all the gangs in the Middle East.

    Obviously, Saudi Arabia and the United States do not buy Bulgarian military products to meet their own needs. An unofficial blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) makes a similar conclusion: "Bulgaria has become one of the leading and largest suppliers of weapons and ammunition for the Syrian opposition through the mediation of Saudi Arabia and the United States, as well as a large supplier of weapons and ammunition for the government of Iraq."
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 September 2019 18: 27
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    In his speech, Deputy Minister of Economy of Bulgaria Alexander Manolev said that according to the results of 2017, the country's arms export amounted to more than 1,2 billion euros. For the poor semi-agricultural Bulgarian economy, this is an incredible achievement. For example, in 2017, the richest and most high-tech Germany sold military products worth 3,79 billion euros abroad.

    Sofia recently reported on arms exports to the UN Register of Conventional Arms. It follows from the documents that the geography of arms sales is very small. The record export figure was achieved through the supply of military products to the Middle East and the United States. Hello "brothers" laughing laughing wassat

    An explosive increase in demand for weapons in the Middle East is noted in a March report by the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). According to experts, the import of military products in the region in 2013–2017 increased by 103% compared with the period 2008–2013. The main buyer was Saudi Arabia (+ 225%).
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 13: 54
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      Hello "brothers"

      Pass it on! I will send you to the mail bargaining. comp., hello to "brothers" from "brothers"! laughing The majority are registered offshore. And here amazing things are observed! Often there are Russian names and comp.! I will quote some of them: Moscow Trust Bank and Central Committee TPFG Accuracy - RF, RF citizen Sergey Vladimirovich Ivanov, Pier Louvrier (Konstantin Malofeev), etc. After digging, you can write a whole article for VO! According to independent organizations, it is believed that structures from the Russian Federation control up to 30% of the Bulgarian arms business. In that case, I think it will be easier for you to directly address yours with a "hello"! hi
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 September 2019 19: 00
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    I go nuts in this zoo - "matalygi" were made by Kharkov, and now they are bought in Bulgaria. We must offer the banderlog the purchase of lard in the United States.
  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 September 2019 19: 31
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    Schemes for the sale and supply of Bulgarian weapons to Syria, as evidenced by official data from both the US and Turkey, as well as Bulgaria itself, have already been written in detail more than once. The scheme did not require any intermediaries, since it is formally difficult for the Bulgarian authorities to blame the arming of jihadists. Bulgarian weapons are purchased by the American companies Chemring and Orbital ATK on behalf of the US government under the state program for supporting allies in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Vazovsky Machine-Building Plant, better known as VMZ for ammunition marking, is America’s largest partner. The state-owned enterprise produces from artillery shells and anti-tank grenade launchers to aircraft and rocket launchers, including Grad multiple launch rocket systems. It is these ammunition produced by the Vazovsky Machine-Building Plant that most often flashes in the photographs of jihadists that they put in
    social network. laughing laughing Bulgarians arm Bashibuzuk laughing laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 13: 32
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      Schemes for the sale and supply of Bulgarian weapons to Syria, as evidenced by official data from both the US and Turkey, as well as Bulgaria itself, have already been written in detail more than once.

      All weapons producing countries export the ego according to some pattern. At the same time, open, legal schemes are used in parallel, as well as roundabout, non-public ones. The case of V. Booth, became known, but there are many others, no less interesting. No wonder! Arms business is very profitable!
      as the Bulgarian authorities are formally difficult to blame for arming jihadists

      I’m not their lawyer, but if you can’t blame them, then what are you blaming? It is under formally legal schemes to go more than half of the global arms business. There are no angels there, that's for sure!
      Bulgarians arm Bashibuzuk

      1. In these firms, some non-Bulgarian names appear. I was personally surprised when I found out. 2. Why bashibozuk have weapons from all over the world, incl. and modern Russian. Obviously someone from Ross. "Allies" makes big money by reselling it to bashibozukah.
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    1. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 10: 57
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      Cynical, but with meaning. good
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 13: 52
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    Quote: pytar
    According to experts ...

    You can assume anything. smile
    ..four countries that are the main sponsors of the fighting groups of the Syrian opposition - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the UAE and Turkey

    Short information in the subject: the Russian Federation offers SA, C-400, tanks and everything that the SA wants. Jordan - produced in Russia. Licenses for an enterprise built by the Russian Federation - RPG - 32 Barkas / Hashim /, Il-76, Ka-226. UAE - ZK Pantsir, PT Kornet-E. Turkey - a whole article can be written.
    This state of affairs does not bother the President of Bulgaria, Major General Rumen Radev, who counts on the extension of the "Turkish stream" to Europe through the territory of his country.

    RF and BG shook hands and called the ego "Balkan Stream"! The tender has ended, the contractor has been selected. Construction begins! In view of the enthusiasm of both sides, there is no reason for R. Radev to be embarrassed! laughing
    Do not flatter yourself, politics is full of vicissitudes and surprises laughing most importantly invest more money laughing laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 September 2019 10: 27
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      Do not flatter yourself, politics is full of vicissitudes and surprises most importantly invest more money

      It is unlikely that anyone will give in. Politics is like one other ancient profession ... laughing
      Every investor wants to invest money in profitable events. There is no problem with money in this case! bully
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 13: 57
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    Quote: pytar
    Schemes for the sale and supply of Bulgarian weapons to Syria, as evidenced by official data from both the US and Turkey, as well as Bulgaria itself, have already been written in detail more than once.

    All weapons producing countries export the ego according to some pattern. At the same time, open, legal schemes are used in parallel, as well as roundabout, non-public ones. The case of V. Booth, became known, but there are many others, no less interesting. No wonder! Arms business is very profitable!
    as the Bulgarian authorities are formally difficult to blame for arming jihadists

    I’m not their lawyer, but if you can’t blame them, then what are you blaming? It is under formally legal schemes to go more than half of the global arms business. There are no angels there, that's for sure!
    Bulgarians arm Bashibuzuk

    1. In these firms, some non-Bulgarian names appear. I was personally surprised when I found out. 2. Why bashibozuk have weapons from all over the world, incl. and modern Russian. Obviously someone from Ross. "Allies" makes big money by reselling it to bashibozukah.
    Well, yes there are entirely "non-Bulgarian names" laughing Are you refuting the investigations of The Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP).? laughing Arming and sponsoring terrorists.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 15: 59
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      Well, yes there are entirely "non-Bulgarian names"

      In another koment gave as an example some of them. In various publications, I also met Arabian ones. In fact, this is a huge international pyramid, including with the participation of structures from the Russian Federation. Subject to a thorough investigation.
      Are you refuting the investigations of The Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP).?

      In your citations, the report of this organization states:
      "The explosive growth in demand for weapons in the Middle East is noted in the March report of the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). According to experts, the import of military products to the region in 2013-2017 increased by 103% compared with the period 2008-2013. The main the buyer was Saudi Arabia (+ 225%). "

      And more: "Experts believe that from Central and Eastern Europe," thousands of tons of weapons and ammunition were sent to four countries that are the main sponsors of the Syrian opposition's military units - Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Turkey. "

      Probably it is. I gave you an additional example and the attitude of the Russian Federation, regarding these 4 countries. Conclusion - everyone who can profit from wars takes advantage of the situation.

      By the way, a little info from the site of this organization.

      OCCRP receives grant support from organizations such as the Open Society Institute, the Google Digital News Initiative, the Skoll Foundation, the Sigrid Rowsing Foundation, Google Jigsaw, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the Br. Knight. To address the challenges of journalism development, OCCRP also receives funds from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) through the International Journalism Support Center (ICFJ), as well as from the US Department of State and the Swiss Confederation. OCCRP also publishes journalistic investigations and projects created with financial assistance or in partnership with other organizations such as the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), Stockholm School of Economics, In Sight, “Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism” (ARIJ), Connectas, African Center for Investigative Journalism (ANCIR). OCCRP is the official name for the Journalism Development Network, a Maryland-registered charity (501 (c) 3).
      From it we can conclude that the US Department of State supports organizations incriminating arms sales in regions where there is a war. The position is rather strange in mind that most of these weapons go through American companies. Doesn't it seem strange to you?
  29. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 24
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    However, a curious detail comes up. It turns out. There is a long-standing dispute between Russia and Bulgaria. The Russians demand that they buy licenses for the production of Soviet weapons. Bulgarians refuse, referring to the fact that initially there were no agreements on this subject, and therefore goodbye ...

    “In the past, Bulgaria ranked seventh-eighth in the world in terms of arms sales. In recent years, virtually all of these years, the loss of markets has been accompanied by attempts by Russia to raise the issue of so-called licenses. There is a long-standing dispute between Bulgaria and Russia - Russians claim that military production in Bulgaria is carried out under their licenses, which is not true. So far, all Bulgarian governments have rejected this thesis. For the first time, this government, led by the Ministry of Economy and, in particular, Karanikolov (Minister - ed.), Makes a breakthrough in this Bulgarian position, which forces the association, co-chaired by Academician Vodenicharov, to write a letter to the entire government, to all state authorities, which says: “We learned with alarm that the Ministry of Economics invited the Russian side to the negotiations on its own initiative ....” The invitation of the Bulgarian side means only one thing - that Bulgaria is ready for compromises, ”expert Boyko Noah explained on the Sunday 150 program, hinting that the explosion at the Bulgarian arms factory could push the parties towards laughing to the negotiations.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 16: 21
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      It turns out. There is a long-standing dispute between Russia and Bulgaria. The Russians demand that they buy licenses for the production of Soviet weapons.

      The dispute has been going on for many years. Moreover, not in the legal field, but mainly in the media. This is part of an information war waged against a competitor! Why is it time to solve the problem? The reason is not that there was an explosion in the Bulgarian plant, the explosion occurred periodically for decades already. The real reason lies in the warming of relations between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation, achieved over the past year and a half. We agreed on the "Balkan Stream" and on the construction of the Belene NPP too. New ideas and projects on the go! There are also some results in the field of military-technical cooperation. Several contracts for the repair of vt. have been signed and are being successfully implemented. Prize winners exchanged visits, in 2020 V.V. Putin will be at the office. visit in Bulgaria. Now the turn has come to solve this issue too! Of course there are forces that will oppose, but everything will be fine! No doubt!
      “Bulgaria seeks to pursue a pragmatic, balanced policy towards Russia. The only unresolved issue that we are negotiating with is weapons licenses, ”said Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, according to BNR.
      https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/28119-bolgariya-gotovitsya-k-vizitu-putina-v-2020-godu
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 28
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    “The fact that the Russian side raises the issue of licenses at each bilateral meeting is their policy and their tactics. Bulgaria does not intend, not for political reasons, but because of the absence of any legal grounds to pay money for licenses or any other money to a third party for the production of our military-industrial complex, ”Karakachanov added.

    “Such negotiations that Bulgaria has to pay some kind of license rights, no one is going to conduct, because there are simply no legal grounds. If Russia had reason to pretend that, as the heir to the Soviet Union, it has the rights to this production, they would start a business in the 29 years since Bulgaria is a democratic state. The fact that for 30 years no one has opened a single arbitration case anywhere in the world with claims to this, shows that the Russian country itself very well understands that there are no legal grounds for this. This question was posed at all kinds of meetings in the last 28 - 29 years. There was no breakthrough. I think that not only this government, but also the following Bulgarian governments, no one will allow themselves to take such a step to cause losses to the Bulgarian industry, ”explained the Minister of Defense of Bulgaria.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 16: 25
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      Each country has its own foundations. It is possible to decide who is right, either international arbitration or a country themselves will reach consensus. The second option is more likely. The BG and the Russian Federation found common interests, and this is a weighty argument.
  31. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 29
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    An unprecedented flow of supplies of small arms and infantry weapons from Eastern Europe to the Middle East - both new and from warehouses - has been observed since 2013. This is due to the purchase by the United States and its local allies, primarily Saudi Arabia and the UAE, of Soviet and Eastern European models to equip the Syrian “opposition”.

    The center of the collection of "help" for the opponents of Assad is Bulgaria. It turned into a kind of hub where weapons from Eastern European countries flow. And Bulgaria is actively adding products of its own production to these deliveries.

    Soviet swing
    In former times, Bulgaria, being one of the faithful members of the Warsaw Pact and the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, played an important role in the socialist division of labor in the military-industrial respect, largely ensuring the supply of small arms, infantry, anti-tank weapons and ammunition manufactured according to Soviet designs and licenses. . To this end, large industrial complexes were created - the Arsenal plant in Kazanlak (formerly Friedrich Engels Machine Building), which manufactures small-arms, grenade launchers, mortar weapons and ammunition, as well as the Vazovskiy machine-building plant in Sopot, which produces the Malyutka ATGM and Faktoriya , "Fagot", "Competition" and "Metis" plus artillery, rocket and grenade launchers. After some decline in the post-communist period, both enterprises are now experiencing real flourishing, rising to large orders of weapons and ammunition for wars in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen.
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 30
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    An investigation of the Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaitandzhieva revealed the activities of a large logistical network of secret armament traffic organized by Saudi Arabia and the United States. With money from KSA and military companies affiliated with the Pentagon, weapons of Soviet designs (both old and new) were bought in Serbia, Romania, Bosnia, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria and other Eastern European countries under the formal pretext of supplies for the security forces of Afghanistan and Iraq, which then it was exported through Bulgaria mainly to the Middle East, including for the secret supply of the Syrian armed opposition. Azerbaijan was a major logistics hub for weapons to final recipients, and one of the main carriers on Il-76 and Boeing-747 cargo planes was (and apparently remains) SilkWay, which is closely connected with the current leadership of the country. Formally, deliveries were carried out on civilian aircraft with a special diplomatic status, which made it possible to avoid essentially checking cargoes, which is necessary to maintain secrecy.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 September 2019 16: 30
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      The investigation of the Bulgarian journalist Dilyana Gaitanjieva revealed the activity of a large logistics network of secret arms traffic ...

      Don't mention her "investigations" better. The questionable "journalist" has a bad reputation in Bulgaria. An absolutely compromised personality, more than once exposed in falsification. Dilyanka has an extremely interesting biography related to the publication of ordered materials. She is the wife of a famous crime boss. Their personal history is a typical example of the legalization of criminal business.
  33. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 32
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    The press reported that the Vazovsky Machine-Building Plant (VMZ-Sopot) has contracts for the supply of weapons with two US companies - Chemring (with a subsidiary Chemring Ordinance) and Orbital ATK. Both carry out orders of Washington under the program for the acquisition of non-standard weapons and ammunition "intended for the needs of the United States and its allies." Chemring alone in 2016 year entered into two contracts totaling 47 million dollars for such products, in this case Bulgarian production. Orbital ATK received a contract from the US Department of Defense for the supply of non-US weapons worth 50 million dollars for the same program 27 in January 2017, also transferring it to Vyksa.
    It is not surprising that according to the statement of the Executive Director of VSW Ivan Getsov, according to the results of 2016, the growth of the company's profit amounted to fabulous 400 percent. According to the Bulgarian Minister of Economy Bozhidar Lukarsky, in the first half of 2016 alone, sales of VMP increased 4,5 times - from 20 million dollars to 91 million, and by the end of the year the output volume was estimated to be 135 million. Since 200, the number of VMZ employees has almost doubled, and by the beginning of 2015, 2017 people have reached. The average salary at the plant, according to the same Getsov, rose to 4400 dollars (two and a half times) and one and a half times higher than the average in Bulgaria.
    But before the 2014, the Vazovskiy Machine-Building Plant, like many defense enterprises of Eastern Europe, was on the verge of bankruptcy due to the lack of orders and debts to suppliers in the amount of about 60 million dollars. The Bulgarian government tried unsuccessfully to sell it, the company regularly went on strike because of wage delays. Now the Bulgarian defense industry is “reborn”, working tirelessly for the needs of jihadists and other armed groups in Syria, as well as those who are fighting terrorists in the same Iraq. laughing laughing laughing
  34. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 14: 36
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    Interestingly, according to published official data of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Romania in 2016, transit of Bulgaria proceeded to Bulgaria through Belarus in the amount of 84,2 million euros (in 2015 - 27,4 million euros), which included “portable rocket launchers, 122 caliber shells millimeters, RPG grenades, rockets, armored vehicles and airstrikes. "
    However, officially Minsk is not the largest supplier of weapons from Eastern Europe to Bulgaria. In 2016, the first position here was taken by Belgrade, which sold Sofia weapons for 34,6 million euros. The second and third lines are divided by Bucharest and Prague (19 million euros). Other major suppliers are Poland, Croatia, Slovakia, Ukraine, Bosnia and Herzegovina. These countries also supplied Bulgaria with predominantly “weapons of a caliber larger than 2016 millimeters and launchers,” “ammunition,” and “missiles, bombs, and missiles.” All this property, as is easily understood, was transiting to the Middle East.
    Bloody silk road
  35. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 18: 37
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    Quote: pytar
    It turns out. There is a long-standing dispute between Russia and Bulgaria. The Russians demand that they buy licenses for the production of Soviet weapons.

    The dispute has been going on for many years. Moreover, not in the legal field, but mainly in the media. This is part of an information war waged against a competitor! Why is it time to solve the problem? The reason is not that there was an explosion in the Bulgarian plant, the explosion occurred periodically for decades already. The real reason lies in the warming of relations between Bulgaria and the Russian Federation, achieved over the past year and a half. We agreed on the "Balkan Stream" and on the construction of the Belene NPP too. New ideas and projects on the go! There are also some results in the field of military-technical cooperation. Several contracts for the repair of vt. have been signed and are being successfully implemented. Prize winners exchanged visits, in 2020 V.V. Putin will be at the office. visit in Bulgaria. Now the turn has come to solve this issue too! Of course there are forces that will oppose, but everything will be fine! No doubt!
    “Bulgaria seeks to pursue a pragmatic, balanced policy towards Russia. The only unresolved issue that we are negotiating with is weapons licenses, ”said Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov, according to BNR.
    https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/28119-bolgariya-gotovitsya-k-vizitu-putina-v-2020-godu
    Holy naivety laughing Russia is grateful to Bulgaria
    Borisov also answered the parliamentarians when asked about sanctions against Russia. "If someone thinks that someone here can force them to be canceled, it is a delusion. Everyone in the European Council votes for the sanctions," he said. "If the Minsk agreements are respected, the sanctions will definitely be lifted. You see how big countries bombard each other with sanctions. This has a huge impact on trade and relations," Borisov said.

    "We have always said that Europe and NATO are our strategic partners, and we keep our word on this. We have done a lot for the Russian Federation, and she appreciates it. Pragmatically and on the basis of mutual benefit, we continue to work further," conclusion of the Prime Minister of Bulgaria. laughing

    Indeed, in the face of pressure on Gazprom through a decrease in gas supplies via the Opal pipeline (the same fate awaits Nord Stream 2) and coercion to use the Ukrainian gas transportation system in the long term, Bulgaria's firm position on the construction of an additional branch to Europe gives the Russian company room to maneuver. One can, of course, assume that Boyko Borisov "changed his shoes in the air" not without a tip from Berlin, but this does not change the essence of what is happening


    laughing wassat
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 September 2019 10: 32
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      Everything can be interpreted in different ways. Whoever you like. And Boyko Borisov maneuvers into a very narrow corridor. With all that, he manages to advance the interests of Bulgaria. No wonder he studied from Todor Zhivkov for politics. bully
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 18: 40
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    If you believe the Kremlin’s website, in 2014-2015 the leaders of Russia and Bulgaria did not even communicate by telephone, which is largely due to the anti-Russian policy of Sofia. As Bulgarian politicians themselves did not hesitate to admit, three large-scale projects with Moscow, which were at different degrees of readiness, were torn apart at the request of the US administration and NATO allies. This, in particular, the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline, Belene nuclear power plant, and most importantly - the South Stream gas pipeline, which was supposed to come to Bulgaria along the bottom of the Black Sea.

    Putin told Boyko that he was counting on the resumption of cooperation, which was in the interests of both countries. “Russia has always had a corresponding influence in our region. We are ready to discuss all aspects of our relations, ”the prime minister agreed. laughing laughing laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 September 2019 10: 40
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      If you believe the Kremlin’s site, then in 2014-2015 the leaders of Russia and Bulgaria did not even communicate by telephone ...

      And in 2018, Mr. Putin called Borisov several times and they talked on different topics. Putin invited Borisov to Moscow. After a visit to President Radev, during which there were specified positions of both countries, a visit to Borisov took place. The activity of the Russian leadership after such a long pause is attributed to the decision of the European Commission on Antitrust Investigation of Gazprom. Gazprom was forced to accept EU conditions, otherwise the ego would face the confiscation of 10% of assets. Bulgaria was also interested in resuming relations with the Russian Federation, having a clear understanding of what opportunities this situation provides for it. As they say - the Russian Federation and the BG agreed on an interesting one, while the Bulgarian did not enter into confrontation with the European! And as you can see, rapid progress has begun in activities in all directions on a mutually beneficial basis! good
  37. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 September 2019 18: 42
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    Well, nothing: whoever remembers the old, as they say, the eye goes out. And who forgets BOTH laughing laughing
  38. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 September 2019 11: 16
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    Quote: pytar
    If you believe the Kremlin’s site, then in 2014-2015 the leaders of Russia and Bulgaria did not even communicate by telephone ...

    And in 2018, Mr. Putin called Borisov several times and they talked on different topics. Putin invited Borisov to Moscow. After a visit to President Radev, during which there were specified positions of both countries, a visit to Borisov took place. The activity of the Russian leadership after such a long pause is attributed to the decision of the European Commission on Antitrust Investigation of Gazprom. Gazprom was forced to accept EU conditions, otherwise the ego would face the confiscation of 10% of assets. Bulgaria was also interested in resuming relations with the Russian Federation, having a clear understanding of what opportunities this situation provides for it. As they say - the Russian Federation and the BG agreed on an interesting one, while the Bulgarian did not enter into confrontation with the European! And as you can see, rapid progress has begun in activities in all directions on a mutually beneficial basis! good

    On the next straight line with President V.V. Putin, I will definitely ask him a question, when will "such conversations" with Bulgaria and the European Union end laughing laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 September 2019 15: 29
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      On the next straight line with President V.V. Putin, I will definitely ask him a question, when will "such conversations" with Bulgaria and the European Union end

      I suspect that until it’s time for you to ask your questions to Vladimir Putin, they will already be resolved! laughing
  39. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 September 2019 16: 17
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    Quote: pytar
    On the next straight line with President V.V. Putin, I will definitely ask him a question, when will "such conversations" with Bulgaria and the European Union end

    I suspect that until it’s time for you to ask your questions to Vladimir Putin, they will already be resolved! laughing

    Do not flatter yourself. You have made enemies for a long time.
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 September 2019 17: 07
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      Do not flatter yourself. You have made enemies for a long time.

      Enemies will simply die, and we ... will solve all the problems! laughing