In China, commented on the unsuccessful landing of BMD in Russia

Chinese media commented on the BMD-2 airborne landing incident in Russia.

Recall that a few days ago, two armored vehicles crashed while landing from the IL-76MD due to the failure of elements of the parachute system. There were no crews in the BMD.

Analyzing the situation, Chinese experts (the Chinese military, as you know, took part in the Center-2019 maneuvers) write that landing of military equipment is one of the most difficult elements, including the technical side of the process. It is noted that problems occur in all the armies of the world who resort to such kind of landing operations.

From material in the military section of the Chinese portal Sina:

Russia has the most trained airborne troops in the world. The reasons why the Russians want to continue to develop the technical equipment of the Airborne Forces are clear, manning the troops including heavy equipment, unmanned systems, and systems for increasing firepower. Indeed, when performing operations behind enemy lines, the airborne units are practically isolated, often they have to wait for reinforcements for a long time and during this entire time accept or impose a battle on the enemy. Anyone, even the most first-class soldier, will not be able to succeed without the equipment of the unit with equipment in such conditions.

Thus, Chinese experts are trying to convince those skeptics who express doubts about the advisability of landing military equipment in general. It should be noted that skeptical remarks come up quite often - from the series: why airborne assault forces to drop heavy equipment, the main task is to take a bridgehead behind enemy lines, and the equipment will break through itself. But this is the whole problem: the bridgehead must first be captured, and then still held, so that in the end the landing does not turn into cannon fodder for superior enemy forces in this area.

Airborne landing technique video:

Comments

[Vladimir Vladimir_2]

It’s good that the crews were not injured Glands are naive, people are the main thing

[GRF]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2

It’s good that the crews were not injured Glands are naive, people are the main thing

the crew is alive, fine, but it can suffer ...
well il il who hacked there ...

[demo]

Glands are naive, people are the main thing
You probably wanted to say that the piece of iron is "acquired"?
And then the meaning of what was said is lost.

[Vladimir Vladimir_2]

It is the dictionary of Zaraz that is buggy

[donavi49]

Well, some crews will obviously suffer. Or in a new way - through the court, repair for their own. Or according to the old - the good old oppression and rhenium until the end of the service.
From the same teachings

[pv1005]

This is where in the Orenburg steppes such mountains?

[bar]

Duc Ural same. You need to know the geography of your native country.

[pv1005]

Look at the map for the wise guy and connoisseur of his native country, where is Dombarovsky and where are the Ural Mountains. And I know something from Chelyabinsk and the South Urals.

[Ros 56]

Immediately the question, and where does Dombarovka?

[bar]

Why call names right away? There was an answer to your question on the mountains in the Orenburg steppes, that's all. There were no bindings to dombar in your question. In addition, in the Orenburg steppes there is also a Totsky training ground for example.

[Ros 56]

Fly by plane in the area of ​​Medny and Kuvandyk and you will see for yourself, there is even a ski resort. Well, I joked with the plane, you can drive by car, and the rest is all true. Just do not argue with me, I myself am from Orsk.

[Lexa-149]

Something in Orsk I have not seen such mountains. They are, but they are not. Himself an inhabitant.

[Ros 56]

Orchanin, read it again, if it didn’t reach the first time.

Fly by plane in the area of ​​Medny and Kuvandyk and you will see for yourself, even there is a ski resort

[Lexa-149]

Now another question, because of which all the fuss fired.
In the area where there are mountains such as the photo from BMD?

[Ros 56]

Well, since there is a photo, they weren’t painted. To the west and south-south-west of Orenburg walk on the map. There, and the second airfield with a bunch of IL-76 can be seen and the guns strictly in the west. After all, the landfill is large. Even the Orsk-Orenburg highway is either straight, then you have to go up and down, although the steppe is considered, you can even feel the pressure drop through the ears. Here's an example of this to the west:

And this is to the southeast:

And that’s all in a radius of 20-30 km. from the city of Orsk.

[Sanichsan]

gee gee and they say figs at the councils of UVN.

[Deck]

Do not tell me when was the last landing with parachutes during real hostilities? Especially with technology. Does anyone know?

[donavi49]

The last in the Serval operation - from 27 to 28 on January 2013 of the year, 2e Régiment étranger de parachutistes was thrown in two waves at Tombouk. Behind the rear Ansar ad-Din = immediately taking the airport and wreaking havoc with the Islamists. This also allowed to take the second largest city of Mali - Tombuku.

[Stas 2rep]

At the beginning of September 2018 they jumped 150 km to the Southeast from the city of A GAO in Mali. 1 and 5 companies 2REP.

[Professor]

Quote: Deck

Do not tell me when was the last landing with parachutes during real hostilities? Especially with technology. Does anyone know?

Never. But seriously, a very long time. Special operations leave aside. The last one was 28.01.2013 in Mali, 250 of the French. Prior to this, the largest was 27.03.2003 in Iraq, 954 American. More massively 20.12.1989 in Panama, 2700 Americans. 18.03.1988 in Honduras 1300 Americans. In Vietnam, 27.12.1966 1200 Americans. 1956 Egypt, about 2000 British, French and Israelis.

The leaders in military parachuting are the French, followed by the Americans with hundreds of operations.

And now for the fun part. USSR / Russia. Mass combat parachuting 24.09.1943, 4575 people. Last time 17.12.1999, Chechnya 500 people. Prior to this, 13.03.1946 in Yugoslavia a group of special forces of the NKVD. As we have seen for more than half a century, having no analogues in the world, the Airborne Forces have not completed any combat parachuting. There was none in Syria and Georgia.

PS
With the technology has not been since World War II.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Professor

As we have seen for more than half a century, having no analogues in the world, the Airborne Forces have not completed any combat parachuting. There was none in Syria and Georgia.

Because there was no, because there was no need, because there is no equivalent in the world, one fact of the possibility of application still stops everyone! Including you and the owner in Syria and Iran!

[Professor]

Quote: neri73-r

Quote: Professor

As we have seen for more than half a century, having no analogues in the world, the Airborne Forces have not completed any combat parachuting. There was none in Syria and Georgia.

Because there was no, because there was no need, because there is no equivalent in the world, one fact of the possibility of application still stops everyone! Including you and the owner in Syria and Iran!

1. We have no owners since the days of Egyptian slavery. Why do you see the owners?
2. I willingly believe that 70 years spent billions and billions of rubles on an option that was never used. The bourgeoisie applied it thousands of times during this period. I also believe that it was more advisable to push in the Roki Tunnel, relying on the fact that the Georgians would not be bombed out of it and not use the airborne forces for their intended purpose. I also believe that under Khusham it was advisable to move in a column substituting under the impact of artillery and ganships, and not to seize a bridgehead with the help of the airborne forces.

And so beautifully landing.

[Rusj]

Your hosts are USA! Feel free bro everyone knows about it!

[neri73-r]

Quote: Rusj

Your hosts are USA! Feel free bro everyone knows about it!

Yes, he knows, but the tasks are different.

[Professor]

Quote: Rusj

Your hosts are USA! Feel free bro everyone knows about it!

Not my brothers, [deleted].

Quote: neri73-r

then you should know a proverb, if you do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's!

Here I am about that. The bourgeoisie used combat landing a thousand times, and some people jump beautifully only in exercises.

[RUSS]

Quote: Rusj

Your hosts are USA! Feel free bro everyone knows about it!

Well, who knows, after listening to Sechin, it seems that this is our US host.
"The United States achieved control over some of the most important sectors of Russian industry with the help of sanctions against RusAl," said the head of Rosneft Igor Sechin at the SPIEF.

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Since RusAl has a large stake in Norilsk Nickel, US influence has spread to the nickel, copper, platinum and palladium segments of the Russian industry, Sechin said.

[neri73-r]

Yes, it is noticeable, noticeable that you are sickle of bells, when an objective article about us comes out, all the more so is not ours, but Chinese!
PS, And if about -

. I willingly believe that for 70 years we spent billions and billions of rubles on an option that was never used. The bourgeoisie applied it thousands of times during this period.

then you should know a proverb, if you do not want to feed your army, you will feed someone else's!

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: Professor

I willingly believe that for 70 years we spent billions and billions of rubles on an option that was never used. The bourgeoisie applied it thousands of times during this period

Professor ... uh, is this a type of reproach? Offer to test in Israel ???
Oh and creative people these jews

[RUSS]

Quote: Professor

Never. But seriously, a very long time ago

From the internet, an interesting thought:
“Readers write that the airborne troops are outdated. Moreover, airborne operations with a massive drop of parachute assault forces are not carried out on a large scale. After all, low-speed large VTA aircraft, such as our IL-76, are an easy target for modern air defense and fighter aircraft.
In general, mass airborne operations during World War II showed inefficiency, if not to say, a failure. It is necessary in every kind [district? - mine] troops leave [pass? -my] parachute regiment just in case, and disband the airborne forces.
The fact that large-scale airborne operations during combat operations are currently not actually carried out is true. And airplanes are an easy target, and paratroopers themselves in the air are an easy target. Even considering the fact that under the USSR they were already ready to throw out paratroopers in armored vehicles (BMD).

During the years of my service in the Airborne Forces, there was a widespread legend that automatic large-caliber machine guns were fired on the platforms before the landing. Who sweep away all life on the landing site with their fire. But I have not seen such ...

At the expense of aging Airborne. Everything in this world is becoming obsolete, including the branches of the armed forces. The same cavalry. However, I think that even if this is so, then it is not worth disbanding the Airborne Division.

Take our sworn partners - West. They still have cavalry names for units, although they have long been tank units. That's what it means to honor traditions!

So we do. Leave for the Airborne Forces the names of formations, traditions, the airborne form, the same airborne training, and so on. But at the same time arm the airborne divisions with heavy armor: tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Naturally, also rearm the artillery of the airborne divisions.

And just in case, for airborne assault forces, leave one paratrooper battalion (regiment?!?) On the BMD-4 for the airborne division. Since the military-industrial complex has released this beautiful combat vehicle. Although it would be better if the BMP-3 industry produced. Plus, this state and the army will be easier. All are armed with the same equipment - unification. For the sake of truth, it seems that they are now introducing into the states of the Airborne Division a tank battalion. But this is a drop in the ocean. And the plans of the airborne generals to make flying BMD!

To solve tactical tasks, there are airborne assault brigades, which it is high time to bring regiments of transport and combat helicopters to the states.

Such are the thoughts. What do you think, friends? "

[Vladimir61]

Quote: RUSS

To solve tactical tasks, there are airborne assault brigades, which it is high time to bring regiments of transport and combat helicopters to the states.

Our thoughts have long been identified in the tasks of reforming the Airborne Forces by 2030.
So, in February of this year, information passed

In the near future, the Russian airborne forces are waiting for big changes. According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, to increase the combat capabilities of the paratroopers in the troops form a new type of compounds that will bring them on maneuverability and efficiency on a level with a potential enemy.
For the first time, an army aviation brigade will be created as part of the Airborne Forces. A new part is planned to be formed in the next 2-3 years. Now the army aviation brigades are only part of the Aerospace Forces, but the command of the military districts is responsible for their operational use. It is planned that the structure of the new helicopter brigade of the Airborne Forces will include four helicopter squadrons, one of which will be armed with Mi-35M "Super Crocodile" helicopters.

[abc77777]

Wrote what to write? Speaking of machine guns, there was such a thing. But for a long time.

[Leading]

How many times have nuclear submarines been used in combat, on which the "stupid" state spends billions? Never? So can we cut everything into scrap metal?
And this man is serious! writes something here ... It is a pity, the age of such children is not visible next to the avatar.

[Professor]

Quote: Lead

How many times have nuclear submarines been used in combat, on which the "stupid" state spends billions? Never? So can we cut everything into scrap metal?
And this man is serious! writes something here ... It is a pity, the age of such children is not visible next to the avatar.

Do you compare strategic nuclear forces and airborne forces? Well, which of us is an adult?

[infantryman2020]

The Americans. Operation Just Koz (invasion of Panama). December 20, 1989
The only tank parachute combat landing in history.
Eight M551A1 Sheridan tanks parachuted from S-141B aircraft at the Tokumen airfield along with the 82nd VDD brigade. At the same time, one tank was disabled due to non-disclosure of part of the parachutes. The remaining vehicles took an active part in the fleeting campaign, supporting the paratroopers - their guns were indispensable in the destruction of roadblocks (the platoon M551A1 previously delivered to the air base interacted with the 193rd Infantry Brigade). The Sheridans also exerted a tremendous psychological influence on the enemy soldiers: sometimes the appearance of tanks was enough for the Panamanians to abandon their positions.
Nobody else had it.
https://warspot.ru/13444-sheridany-v-stroyu-i-v-boyu

[iouris]

Until the crews were hurt. But, it seems, something in this conservatory has been going the wrong way for a long time. Two things at once ... But recently they laughed at the Americans.

[demo]

The Chinese can, when they want, objectively assess events, and not make "an elephant out of the blue."

[GRF]

but how else to comment if they learn to land with us, and all of them are still ahead ...
because there’s an understanding that this is necessary ... and the people should not grumble ...
although they had some good fun over the assault in Ussuriysk of our paratrooper ...

[bessmertniy]

I must agree that a very sober assessment of what happened and convincingly speaks of the role of landings.

[To be or not to be]

The Chinese are more widespread ...
And they correctly raised the question of the need for such military equipment for the airborne forces and its delivery to the landing area ... which will facilitate the landing mission's combat mission.
There are a lot of discussions in the blogosphere on the advisability of conducting airborne operations of all levels in modern conditions (from strategic. Operational-strategic. Operational and tactical landings). An interesting topic.
https://nkfedor.livejournal.com/412043.html
Judging by the composition of the Airborne Forces of the RF Armed Forces and their place in the Armed Forces, the military leadership is in the position of their widespread use .. !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: demo

The Chinese can, when they want, objectively assess events, and not make "an elephant out of the blue."

That you correctly noticed ...! This is not always the case with the Chinese ...

[Arturov]

the impression is that the Communist Party of China is preparing public opinion for the fact that the neighbor is not so scary ...

[Kuroneko]

They wrote complete nonsense.
The Chinese do not respect any people as Russian.
And the Daman conflict is still remembered very well.

[GRF]

China is seeing work in this direction ...

[donavi49]

Which one? They have the airborne forces on the Soviet model with their own mentality. Units have military equipment which they drop by parachute method. Then they capture hold the site, where they are already dumping reinforcements in a landing way.

[GRF]

improving the design of their parachutes.
improvement of deployment and combat coordination standards
see why the Russians can, if necessary, drop their equipment with the crew inside.
if they did not have work to develop their landing troops, then they would not have come.

[donavi49]

So there is work. Their box fits into 8 tons. Therefore, today it is frankly weak. Surely they are doing their BMD-4M. But this requires new planes (already in the Y-20 Series, and despite almost a year later with the first flight, the Chinese have already riveted 20 + planes, that is, more than IL-476 even with all the prototypes and platforms) and parachute systems, but they are will decide.

The platform and gun system they already have in the series. Well, various interesting cars, for example, a specialized ATGM.

It remains to compress it to 14,5t - that is, remove 7t. And they will have BMD-4M.

[rotmistr60]

A very objective and reasonable from a military point of view assessment of the event and the Russian airborne forces as a whole.

[Thrifty]

A rare case when I completely agree with the Chinese! The main thing now is not to spoil the fever ourselves, find the reason for the non-working of the steam system, take maximum measures to prevent this from happening.

[Reptiloid]

For the Russian Armed Forces, this was the first such landing of a parachute airborne regiment, along with equipment

[abc77777]

And what's the difference - three objects are dropped from one IL or from ten thirty objects. Preparation and implementation of the landing are the same. Remember the video with amerskie hamers, later there was information about the offended sergeant. Almost 100% human factor and judging by the photo, the reasons are different

[Kuroneko]

Quote: abc77777

Remember the video with amerskie hamers, later there was information about the offended sergeant. Almost 100% human factor and judging by the photo, the reasons are different

And did you believe in this stupid matte excuse?
Let me remind you just in case the video itself:

Three Hummers from THREE DIFFERENT planes. Was that the sergeant who visited all three and played a trick? He is like a legendary chess piece "ensign" who walks wherever he wants and beret does whatever he wants? Even if he was responsible for preparing for the landing of equipment, he could not be in his rank responsible even for SEVERAL aircraft (even so "successfully", in a row a series that threw off their "bricks"). At best, he could be responsible for one. Plus pre-flight checks - the crew of each aircraft has their own people assigned purely to this particular board for this purpose (and if something goes wrong according to the result of the check, takeoff is canceled). Those. took off clearly because everything was normal. And already in the air, our gallant sergeant could not teleport to three planes and spoil something there at the last moment.

[abc77777]

The preparation of equipment and parachutes by amers for landing has nothing to do with the Soviet method from the word in general. Parachutes are stacked by pavers of a special unit without any checks. After laying, puts the brand name and packs it in a cardboard box. Major separately from spare. No passports, no substitute cards, no checks. The stacker is solely responsible. The same situation is with technology. The combat units and l / s of these units has nothing to do with laying and mooring.

[abc77777]

Yes, and about the MO regiment is disingenuous. At the very minimum, aircraft needed much more.

[abc77777]

Experts from Russia and Ukraine for another 20 years established the appropriate service in China. But another thing is interesting. Modern means of landing are simple, i.e. refusal from ORS and, as a result, from chemical batteries or promotions / specialists will understand /. In the photo, supposedly NONA, all the ISS parachutes are in covers. Which, by and large, is almost impossible for technical reasons, unless you stupidly connect the exhaust parachute to the ramp of the aircraft or to the front of the standing machine. Or a banal break in the link of the exhaust parachute. A very interesting comment would be an eyewitness. And then recently on our d6 all slings of two free ends were cut off, until now all the turnips are scratching and there are a complete zero of clever thoughts.

[Kuroneko]

I can guess offhand a couple of the most banal and most probable reasons:
1) deterioration of the materiel (i.e. the parachute system itself)
2) non-compliance with the rules and conditions of storage of the system
3) stupidly pr% # B personnel in preparation. Missed / did not fasten any carabiner, which led to an emergency situation when opening the domes

[Nikolaevich I]

Unfortunately, I have little information regarding the Airborne Forces and the exercises with their participation ... I got the impression that they used parachute landing systems at the last exercises, but what about the use of parachute-reactive landing systems ...? Maybe I'm wrong in saying that parachute-jet systems were not used?

[abc77777]

They were removed a long time ago. The problem with gunpowder, which was used in ORS. And the cost of ORS is greater. Plus, the equipment is getting harder, which means more ORS blocks are needed. And you can imagine what will happen on the site when it all works out.

[Azazelo]

The operator knew where to stand and what to shoot. Well, the Chinese media is looking at everything.

[abc77777]

Well, who studied what

[Grad-Xnumx]

They write that 5 paratroopers were injured, how?
https://life.ru/t/новости/1243778/na_uchieniiakh_pod_orienburghom_dvie_bmd_rukhnuli_s_vysoty_15_km_--_vidieo

[abc77777]

Again, this assumption was the information that the wind speed at the site was up to 15 m / s. At this speed, landing l / s is prohibited. But by order of the head of the exercises or com. Airborne, as it were. Further, the NONA ammunition seemed to work, i.e. 20 120 mm min or shells. Although after such a run-off, nothing would remain from the car in a radius of about 15 meters. And we don’t observe the craters of 3 meters too. Therefore, most likely, the guys were injured when landing during the jump. With such a wind - should have beaten more.

[archiroll]

In this whole situation, I did not like what I learned about this from disgusting non-friendly resources. Why hide - only to the detriment. All adequate people would understand - they lost cars - we analyze - we warn ...

[rocket757]

Uncle VANI's troops will be! It is necessary to prepare more thoroughly and instructions to everyone "on the forehead", for prevention and in order to avoid any trouble!

[Captain45]

Quote: rocket757

Uncle Vanya’s troops to be!

I beg your pardon, but what .... um .. VANI ?! Margelov was called Vasily ...

[rocket757]

Wrong ..... Uncle YOU!

[Yaro Polk]

That's why they are teachings.
I won’t be surprised if this is sabotage, you think in Russia there are few traitors sympathizing with lace panties in the EU.

[voyaka uh]

The teachings were complex and massive. And there were very few accidents. Which testifies to the good preparation of people and the good maintenance of technology.

[rocket757]

In general, this is true, although unpleasant .... however, there are no personnel losses, and this is the main thing!

[CTEPX]

Quote: rocket757

no casualties

There is no such thing ((. In a division from two to .... Of course there is. In another way - nothing.

[rocket757]

In these specific cases, the victims were not mentioned .... and so, with large-scale military "games" everything is not going smoothly ... I remember I had to!

[Sergey10789]

Well, actually skeptics are partly right. Massive landing will be ineffective. Well, at least because ONE IL-76 makes so much noise that it breaks into the rear of a real enemy with an organized air defense system, and swarm the IL-76 with an elite landing force on board that half wouldn’t reach, and the second half would be shot in the air, command will not take any chances. By the way, the experience of the Second World War showed this.

[Xscorpion]

Not always landing in the rear of the enemy implies a preliminary flight over the territory of the enemy. Often this means delivering to the rear from an unexpected side for the enemy, for example, from the sea or mountains, where the enemy does not expect an attack. It should be noted that the area of ​​upcoming military operations will be carefully processed artillery and missiles, the dominance of allied aviation will be established in the air, a large number of reconnaissance and sabotage groups will operate on the ground. Landing does not mean that the enemy is sitting on the ground, and paratroopers are landing on his head. Airborne landing occurs several tens of kilometers from the enemy , then the landing party gets into combat vehicles and makes a march to a given area. It should also be taken into account that the Airborne Forces have parachutes with the possibility of horizontal flight of up to several tens of kilometers, DRGs will be hidden in this way, which will disable air defense and other important calculations objects. Landing can be carried out from heights up to 8 km, that is, beyond the reach of MANPADS and anti-aircraft artillery. A distance of several tens of kilometers from the enemy implies that all short-range air defense systems will not be able to reach military transport aircraft. More serious air defense systems will be disabled several days before I am silent about the fact that the Airborne Forces will not fight alone, and depending on the area of ​​military operations, the enemy will be chained from other sides either by a ground attack or by a sea landing, his air defense will be engaged in the fight against combat aircraft and the repulsion of missile attacks and he simply does not have the strength and time to react to the airborne landing. And as for the experience of the Second World War, several dozen airborne operations were carried out during her, all the goals were achieved. Despite the fact that the landing at that time was in fact armed only small arms without any fire support. Yes, and the numerous airborne operations after WWII were always successful. And the fact that all the armies of the world improve their airborne assault from year to year, proves that paratroopers will remain relevant for a long time, at least until they invent teleports.

[Sergey10789]

Somewhere I have already heard something similar .... well, someone has already said something like that ... "We will beat the enemy on his territory" ... well, something like that. And there was also a landing in Normandy ... on a beach, where the Germans did not expect a landing at all ... Under the dominance of the Allied aviation, the beach and the landing area in general were well sprinkled with artillery ... Yeah ... bombers went deep into the Germans' defense ... in short, as they wrote in the textbooks ... and something like that almost went!))) plus there is one "but" ... The landing "then" is yesterday's bakers / postmen / shkolota who have completed training courses for 2-4 months (conventionally) descended on huge pieces of sheets, and the Airborne Forces are now millions of dollars in training / equipment / weapons, years of training. Therefore, I repeat once again, in my opinion, a large airborne operation is nothing more than a show-off. To show a purely sworn friend "La, how we magic! Are you weak?"

[yehat]

Quote: pv1005

I know Chelyabinsk and the South Urals quite well.

Your experience is nothing before the power of Wikipedia)))

[yehat]

Quote: voyaka uh

And there were very few accidents. Which testifies to the good preparation of people and the good maintenance of technology.

well, you know, when people only do that and learn to land, there simply cannot be many such accidents. Anyway, it’s strange that the worked-out dump platforms, which had never failed the West-81 exercises, suddenly began to fall without parachutes. I do not agree with your assessment.
for the usa of israel and france this may be normal, but not for the paratroopers of rf.

[Bshkaus]

What is it all about?
The fact that parachutes did not open is complete gibberish.
Regarding the fact that the airborne landing technique is needed during the landing is an obvious fact.
Even if you immediately lay in about 20% of irrecoverable losses during the "free fall", then out of 10 discarded BMDs, even 8 successfully landed are much better than nothing.
The only thing is that we can’t just throw away equipment with people, although we also developed shock-absorbing chairs in our own. We are not yet mature enough to "German pedantry" and reliability, but this is not bad or good, we are just special.

[Ali Kokand]

As I understand it, the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation crashed. Few people have such opportunities as landing armored vehicles, and such incidents are quite acceptable. The main army has the ability to drop armored vehicles. And someone hasn't. Like or dislike but a fact. And incidents have always been and will be.

[Agronom]

Black death, as the Germans called them. The Marine Corps
These guys are very angry, esoi tear them from the sea .. hehe

Marines for you!