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The search for truth in the debate of the communist and liberal

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Modern political talk shows with a political touch are built on roughly the same principle. One way or another, two sides stand out in them, which, when discussing the issue raised by the presenter (s), proceed to a dispute and clarification of relations. At the same time, it is often the clarification of relations that comes before offensive statements, and sometimes even before the blows and fists.



Communist Party rally in St. Petersburg


One of the topics favorite by Russian channels - Ukraine - is sometimes still replaced by internal issues. For example, we can talk about what, in the opinion of some, is an economic success, but in the opinion of others it is not at all. As an example: the construction of the Nord Stream-2 and Turkish Stream gas pipelines, attempts to attract foreign investors to Russian major projects.

The video on the channel “There is a way out!”, Which is presented below, examines a particular case of the debate between a communist and a liberal - at least, people such as one of whom is sure that he is a communist, and the other that he is a liberal. We are also talking about what kind of arguments in the dispute about the development of the economy are the opponents, where to look for the truth. Should an initiative entrepreneur of a socialist model be afraid? Are all capitalists, in the modern sense, parasites on the body of the national economy?

Details of the dispute between communists and liberals and answers to the above questions are in the video:

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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 23 September 2019 19: 38
    +5
    It would be better for the Communist Party to defame the real Communists hardly anyone could.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 23 September 2019 20: 21
      -2
      The entire Communist Party or its elite ?? (as was the case in the Communist Party in recent years ..)
      They can argue among themselves .. only ... ISMs ....
      There is no point in arguing with them ...
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 23 September 2019 20: 32
        -1
        "Sick head" and "dirty hands" will certainly destroy even the healthiest "body". Alas.
        The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has successfully integrated into the "system" for the top. "We are for the people, but nothing depends on us" - the slogan of the "impotent" pushing the abandoned youth into the "bear hug" of the "cosmonauts".
      2. let_nab
        let_nab 24 September 2019 03: 37
        +1
        Do you see many Communists (you know) from the Communist Party? So the people do not see them, but what they see ...
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 24 September 2019 17: 36
          0
          Everything is very simple, it’s not even a particular communist who you may or may not know whether this or that particular communist satisfies your ideas about communists or not.
          The main communist ideology, defending a society of social justice for all members of society, the state, as opposed to the liberal, capitalist ideology, preaching "freedom" to profit one at the expense of others.
          If you are for justice for all, your credo is communist ideology, and accordingly the communist community: party or movement.
          If you are for the gain of one at the expense of many others, for the ideology of robbery (by and large) - your ideology of bourgeoisie, capitalism, liberalism.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 23 September 2019 19: 42
    +9
    You don't even need to argue here. All the facts are in favor of the communists, every single one. Take the economic model, social responsibility, education, science .. Communists - it was just recently, and liberals "eat up" what the communists have created .. and what have the liberals created? That's the whole dispute ..
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 September 2019 20: 08
      +12
      Quote: Svarog
      That's the whole argument ..

      I can add that Platoshkin’s speaker from the CPSU platform is much more interesting to listen to than any Hinstein ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 September 2019 20: 10
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Svarog
        That's the whole argument ..

        I can add that Platoshkin’s speaker from the CPSU platform is much more interesting to listen to than any Hinstein ...

        I like Platoshkin lately more and more. You’ll hear him at all, sometimes I’m surprised how much information is contained in it. laughing
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      3. WIKI
        WIKI 23 September 2019 22: 54
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Platoshkin’s listening is much more interesting

        He observed the election campaign of Platoshkin. What impressed me the most was the desire to reach a simple person, without Zyuganov’s annoying slogans, but with simple facts and figures from life surrounding a simple person.
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 24 September 2019 01: 07
      +3
      It was created not only and not so much by the Communists as the whole Soviet people, under the leadership of those local leaders who had not lost their conscience until the collapse of the USSR.
    3. let_nab
      let_nab 24 September 2019 03: 40
      -2
      It's good to rave, the communists pissed away my country and even then Zyu had the opportunity to become president, but he was scared ... And it was not the communists (pair of the nomenklatura) who created in the USSR, but the Soviet people who were thrown by the "communists" ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 September 2019 04: 53
        +6
        Quote: let_nab
        And it was not the communists (pair of nomenclature) who created in the USSR, but the Soviet people, who were thrown by the "communists", they are now talking about these same liberals ...

        Great mighty ...? lol
        The formation of the USSR in 1922 took place with the practical dominance of the Bolshevik party and the Congress of Soviets was originally the highest authority.
        I.V. Stalin has such a track record:
        1917 - 1923 - People's Commissar for Nationalities of the RSFSR
        1919 - 1920 - People's Commissar of State Control of the RSFSR
        1920 - 1922 - People's Commissar of the Workers and Peasants Inspection of the RSFSR
        1922 - 1934 - General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)
        1934 - 1952 - Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.)
        1952 - 1953 - Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee

        All the "charms" of the NEP consisted only in the appearance on the shelves of essential goods, and of all the enterprises that the NEP could generate were either candle factories, or restaurants and trade breakdowns (markets whose legacy existed with greater or lesser intensity throughout the entire period of the Soviet authorities).
        It was the Bolsheviks (communists) who gave the first impetus to the development of the country's economy: industrialization and industrial progress. And the whole priority of such a leadership was not to save up capital in foreign capsules, not to build a choir for personal use, but to invest the funds received in defense, industry, transport, energy, healthcare, education, culture ...
        Those who "these same liberals" joined the CPSU pursued only one goal - to reach the very top. And they succeeded, because human vices prevailed over honor and morality. But! By the way, they (like VVP) still keep their membership card and registration card in the table (folded neatly on the table) for every fireman ... What if? And then they will say:
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 September 2019 18: 06
          -1
          "Industrialization and Industrial Progress". The USSR owes all this to the United States and Germany, from which in the 30s the USSR bought equipment, hired working engineers, and paid for it all at the expense of internal resources, plundered the village the maximum collection - sales of agricultural products, in particular grain - sold grain received convertible currency and paid for the purchases of everything, spent over $ 60 billion in current funds.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 September 2019 17: 57
      -2
      We aren’t eating anything yet - we have everything of our own, including foreign equipment — manufactured in Russia on it as well as on Russian — we are creating new goods — goods that bring money to the country and all that they could not do under the communists.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 25 September 2019 16: 30
        0
        Vadim. Is it all, all that we have now came from nothing?
  3. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 23 September 2019 20: 10
    -3
    And why two extreme points of view? The truth is in the middle.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 23 September 2019 22: 57
      +4
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      And why two extreme points of view? The truth is in the middle.

      Hackneyed, unsubstantiated phrase. Convenient for those who do not want to think.
  4. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    +1
    Probably, the VO trend began to review a dozen TOK-shows on political topics on a dozen channels with the participation of hundreds of different balabolas of different orientations, the purpose of which is to get money for participation, to promote and mislead people to the delight of the authorities.

    About the truth:
    Let the crystal goblet and sediment at the bottom
    they announce the day coming to me
    this wine is sometimes called bitter.
    If so, then - Truth is hidden in guilt!

    (O. Khayyam)

    Therefore, in order to understand the viewer which of the balabol is closer to the truth, you need to know exactly how much wine each of them drank! ... compared to the viewer!
  5. paul3390
    paul3390 23 September 2019 20: 38
    +5
    How to argue with a liberal? Yes, with a mahu in a tambourine, or a fierce kierzach. Otherwise, he will not understand one hell ...
    1. lucul
      lucul 23 September 2019 21: 41
      -1
      How to argue with a liberal? Yes, with a mahu in a tambourine, or a fierce kierzach. Otherwise, he will not understand one hell ...

      How nekosherno vi still put it))))
  6. Masha
    Masha 23 September 2019 20: 43
    +4
    oops! you don’t turn on the TV box ..
    -We will come to you anyway! laughing And do not hide, do not hide anywhere and no one ... wink
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 23 September 2019 23: 02
      +4
      Quote: Masha
      oops! you don’t turn on the TV box ..
      -We will come to you anyway! laughing And do not hide, do not hide anywhere and no one ... wink

      Maria hi
      All right yes TV leads to dementia laughing

      1. Petrograd
        Petrograd 23 September 2019 23: 48
        +4
        Quote: Terenin
        That's right, television leads to dementia

        This is exactly good . You come home from work while you cook, you do household chores, feed a tailed and mustached tyrant and give out a portion of affection and communication

        in captivity, for the background, you turn on the TV ... And there: who is flying with someone, who flew from whom, who flew from this and where, in America everything will stop existing from day to day, problems will / in Ukraine, NATO's ABM GDP, Turkish and northern flows, fabulous news at 21 p.m., after endless series, with the same actors in different roles, preoccupied with solutions to some ridiculous problems, living very poorly, but in mansions (by the way -In the same everything is removed) and on machines, not taken away on budget moving. Endless talk shows with stars and asterisks. wassat
    2. tracer
      tracer 24 September 2019 01: 10
      -2
      It will be precisely noticed soon from the toilet will get out. You’re sitting like that and here Navalny snarled from below. And licked so do not wipe ... Fu ...
      1. Petrograd
        Petrograd 24 September 2019 01: 34
        +1
        Quote: tracer
        It will be precisely noticed soon from the toilet will get out. You’re sitting like that and here Navalny snarled from below. And licked so do not wipe ... Fu ...

        Exactly exactly))) or the Fairytale will indulge in doors: once it opens and says, the retirement age will be raised while the president is not, it will close and it will. And so a lot of doors "indulge" he would not slam doors, but the TV show - "visiting a fairy tale" to revive, there would be more sense.
    3. let_nab
      let_nab 24 September 2019 03: 45
      -2
      Come on, if you didn’t look at the box, you wouldn’t sit here, but just eat and sleep ..
  7. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 23 September 2019 21: 29
    0
    the main idea of ​​liberalism is that the state does not go into business and that nothing is taken away if privatized, the rest is all tales for fools about all kinds of freedoms, how does the power of business end, we all see ourselves and what kind of ass we are
    1. lucul
      lucul 23 September 2019 21: 43
      -4
      the main idea of ​​liberalism is that the state does not go into business and that nothing is taken away if privatized,

      What nonsense - ALL business is based on deception.
      If you do not agree with this, then you do not understand even basic truths.
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 23 September 2019 23: 52
        0
        where did I even talk about this?
    2. tracer
      tracer 24 September 2019 01: 11
      -1
      How beautifully you simply formulated a rather complicated definition.
    3. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 24 September 2019 01: 51
      +4
      I agree! In words, business is separate from the state, and for private-state partnership and state orders themselves! Che Rotenberg did not build the Crimean bridge for his money. And the Olympic construction went on state money. Strange some kind of business. My profit, and share the losses or hang on the state. And with weaning, things are weird too. When it went bankrupt itself, you can sell it to the state. And so against state property. Private business is more effective than public administration! But why so many bankruptcies? Capitalism for competition! And where is the competition of private, collective and state? Then someone was going to let out the E-mobile. Have the Communists hacked down a private trader’s project?
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 24 September 2019 01: 55
        +5
        Yes, what kind of competition, monopolists are strangling the entire small business, plus workers are forced to work hard overtime, in general, the power of traders who do not care
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 September 2019 18: 15
        -3
        "And the Olympic construction went to the state money." No - out of the 1500 billion that was spent on the Olympics - there were 290 billion state ones, now almost all programs are 50-50 by the state, private investments in infrastructure and other things.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 September 2019 18: 11
      -2
      And what kind of ass were you in - can you learn more?
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 24 September 2019 18: 44
        +3
        and you were apparently in a capitalist paradise with high salaries and low prices?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 September 2019 18: 53
          -3
          You know, yes, because at one time I was not idle, for 13 years now there are: production, repair facilities, investments, and much more. And I have no debts, the last time I took loans in 2009 in 2011 I completely repaid them.
          1. fruit_cake
            fruit_cake 24 September 2019 20: 17
            +2
            excellent, I also make decent money only by working with other regions and countries, to get up on the spot so that I don’t know what I need at all, everyone I have learned lately got money in the 90s, there simply are no others and there is simply no future no
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 September 2019 20: 49
              -2
              And I know 15 people who have raised money since the end of the 2000s - And "here" is where - name the subject of the Russian Federation
              1. fruit_cake
                fruit_cake 24 September 2019 21: 49
                +2
                So everything depends on the subject? like we are such fools? I was in different subjects and in general the situation is about the same, there is a systematic destruction, as according to the plan, the Nazis thought up and someone else took their methods into service
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 25 September 2019 13: 39
                  0
                  I traveled all over Russia as a tourist and on business, the difference is significant as to what happened and what happened from 2005 to 2019.
  8. Campanella
    Campanella 23 September 2019 21: 38
    0
    Arguing is really pointless. Here is a competition of systems, yes! But who will give? There the national enterprises stuffed away and not a word about them ....
    The authorities are afraid of any competition, this threatens its well-being. And these shows, just shows for people, an imitation of the movement process ...
  9. karabass
    karabass 23 September 2019 21: 42
    0
    So you’ll think that some kind of evil curse weighs on Russia. Wherever you look back centuries - what period can be called grace? The beginning of the 20th century? - Ended up in a revolution and a bloody civil war. Khrushchev thaw? - The stagnation and collapse of the USSR! The latest story? - the fall of the country's economic power and the disbelief of the impoverished population of our elite! What will happen next? Who knows? God only knows ...
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 23 September 2019 21: 52
      +4
      Quote: karabass
      What will happen next? Who knows? God only knows ...

      God is silent and smiles ... So, trust in God, and do not condone yourself ... Otherwise, no God will help ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 September 2019 13: 41
      0
      Then everything will be fine - and not everyone is so poor as they are all pushed around with taxes 30 million rubles every year, 20 trillion rubles past the budget.
  10. 1970mk
    1970mk 23 September 2019 22: 20
    +2
    Which communists? Communist Party is the Communists? Yes Zyuganov and all their elite at their favorite comrade Stalin would immediately put to the wall!
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 23 September 2019 23: 08
      -2
      Is Stalin a communist? The last classical communist is Trotsky.
  11. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 23 September 2019 23: 06
    +3
    While the Communists argue with the liberals, monopoly, oligarchic capitalism defeated
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 24 September 2019 04: 59
      0
      Which is the basis of capitalism ... All nonsense about "fair market and competition, let's leave the dialectic, because this is a utopia, like pure communism
      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 24 September 2019 19: 01
        -2
        The base is just clean. And what I wrote is the highest form according to Lenin, and socially oriented capitalism follows in life.
  12. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 24 September 2019 04: 57
    0
    In order to be able to consider the capitalists as parasites "on the body of the national economy", it would be necessary to create this economy first (it cannot be restored, it is destroyed to the ground) ...
    And of course, 95 percent of capitalists are parasites of society.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 September 2019 18: 24
      -1
      At the same time, do not forget that you are currently using the PC, OS and the Internet - which the capitalists have created and you use their products everywhere to earn money, you need to do something useful or create something useful, without this capital there will be no development.
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 September 2019 16: 48
    0
    You cannot turn any social system into a dogma. Any system has a living form only with the active participation of members of society. Be it finances or social activity. "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go with everyone." In a dispute, truth is born only when the disputants are united by one target.
  14. place
    place 25 September 2019 17: 19
    0
    In society, there are no descendants of serfs and there never has been either a mass liberal or mass labor movement. Therefore, it makes no sense to talk about "communists" and "liberals". There is only one popular and fairly representative form of self-organization among the people. THIS is what is called OPG and AUE.

    Everything else is the muttering of serf slaves on the topic: "which master is better, white al red"?
    Both rob. BUT even the poet Nikolai Nekrasov in his epic work "Who Lives Well in Russia" - showed that the slaves (the so-called "temporarily obligated") are ready to break each other's blood into blood, discussing this topic.