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Pentagon continues to justify failure of air defense systems in Saudi Arabia

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The United States continues to make excuses for the failure of its advertised air defense systems, which have overslept the attack of drones and missiles at the oil plants of Saudi Arabia. According to Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, not a single air defense and missile defense system could have repelled the attack.


Pentagon continues to justify failure of air defense systems in Saudi Arabia


Speaking at a Pentagon press briefing, Dunford stated that no separate air defense and missile defense system in the world could have repelled an attack by drones and missiles at the Saudi Arabian refineries that took place on September 14, only such deep-level air defense deflected such threats.

Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat, but multi-level defensive capabilities can reduce the risk ... attacks that can be carried out from Iran

- declared the general.

Earlier, justifying himself for "puncturing" American Patriot complexes in Saudi Arabia, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that "all the complexes in the world work with varying degrees of success." In response to this, the Russian Defense Ministry noted that the widely publicized American Patriot systems and the Aegis system do not match the declared characteristics in their capabilities, and the powerful air defense system deployed by the United States in Saudi Arabia cannot detect drones and missiles due to the low efficiency of the fight against small-sized goals.

The attack on Saudi Aramco facilities in Saudi Arabia occurred on the morning of September 14. It involved 18 drones and 7 missiles, of which three did not reach the target and fell in the desert. Neither drones nor missiles were detected by the American Patriot air defense systems.
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  1. Amateur
    Amateur 21 September 2019 13: 16
    +41

    The grenades were "the wrong system" angry
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 21 September 2019 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: Amateur

      The grenades were "the wrong system" angry

      Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money."
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 21 September 2019 13: 35
        +14
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

        And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"
        1. krot
          krot 21 September 2019 16: 00
          +25
          And in general, rockets from Hailim hit the Khmeimim, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles, and more than 10 drones at once, and not one passed through our defense! It looks like Patriot is real bullshit) Perhaps, like the rest of the weapon, the widely advertised USA)
          1. Alex20042004
            Alex20042004 21 September 2019 18: 19
            -16
            You are wrong, i.e. You, etc., do not underestimate the "Patriot".
            Each system has a target detection zone depending on its altitude.
            So, above the objects in the SA that were burning, the detection zone is very high. This suggests that air defense systems should be located outside mediocre proximity.
            A similar theme is with the S-300 \ 400 in Syria.
            1. Govorun
              Govorun 21 September 2019 21: 07
              +11
              Is it easier for the Saudis from your theory ??? The fact is the fact, and the fact is that the enemy object flew through the missile defense system, which was supposed to protect its object, but did not save and the protected object was destroyed point
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 22 September 2019 11: 20
                +2
                Quote: Govorun
                Is it easier for the Saudis from your theory ??? The fact is the fact, and the fact is that the enemy object flew through the missile defense system, which was supposed to protect its object, but did not save and the protected object was destroyed point

                I remember the well-known raid on Tripoli in 1986, when the Libyan air defense was powerless against an attack by American aircraft. After that, Gaddafi urgently summoned our military specialists, including from the country's air defense, and among whom was my friend, who had been an adviser there for three years. In general, he said a lot about training and readiness to repel attacks by local air defense forces, so one should not greatly exaggerate the shortcomings of the Patriots, not taking into account the local contingent of service personnel. In general, I do not deny that their air defense system is significantly inferior to ours - we are leaders all over the world in this area of ​​arms.
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 21 September 2019 22: 33
              +4
              Quote: Alex20042004
              located outside mediocre proximity.

              Yes, the proximity was mediocre for the Saudis. Very and very. yes
            3. Alex20042004
              Alex20042004 22 September 2019 05: 08
              -6
              Yes, how many nonsense on VO!
              Nothing surprises.
            4. vostok68
              vostok68 22 September 2019 05: 30
              +1
              Well, tell us about the lower sky above the air base in Hmeimim?
            5. pvs512
              pvs512 22 September 2019 20: 07
              0
              The Patriots do not have 20-meter towers 40V6, on which they put the S-300/400 on-load tap-changer while guarding stationary objects.
            6. bar
              bar 23 September 2019 10: 16
              0
              You, etc., do not underestimate the "Patriot"

              Technique in the hands of the Papuans is powerless ...
          2. Lbt21
            Lbt21 21 September 2019 22: 18
            0
            And what did you want to bring down the city as a patriot?
            1. vostok68
              vostok68 22 September 2019 05: 40
              +1
              Well, now we are only really shooting down the hail, but why in general air defense? Are these toys? Or cut money?
              1. Lbt21
                Lbt21 23 September 2019 10: 37
                -1
                And where are we really shooting down hail, and what percentage of defeat ??
                1. vostok68
                  vostok68 24 September 2019 01: 39
                  0
                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/militarycolumnist/pancirs1-perehvatil-rakety-rszo-grad-v-sirii-59d50af99d5cb3204167305b
                  1. vostok68
                    vostok68 24 September 2019 02: 08
                    0
                    In fairness, I note, Israel is also doing this.
          3. Chaldon48
            Chaldon48 22 September 2019 00: 21
            +1
            Patriot made the United States not at all patriotic advertising, now, despite the pressure from the United States, many should think three times whether this "patriotic" trash is worth the metal it is made of.
          4. pvs512
            pvs512 22 September 2019 08: 49
            +2
            They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 September 2019 11: 21
              -1
              Quote: pvs512
              They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.

              Nobody wants to take this into account, which is why they make hasty conclusions.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 23 September 2019 09: 30
                +1
                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: pvs512
                They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.

                Nobody wants to take this into account, which is why they make hasty conclusions.

                Well really! Nobody wants to count! Nobody sympathizes with American efforts to sell the Saudis systems that "protect them from air threats"! And when they did not protect it, it suddenly turned out that the threats were not like that! These are not the ones on which those billion-dollar systems were designed! Oh no no no....
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 23 September 2019 12: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  And when they didn’t defend, it suddenly became clear that the threats were not like that!

                  Well, we do not determine who and for how much will buy weapons from the Americans. So, we’re sideways, by and large, how they made money, but we would like the Saudis themselves to sell our weapons - hardly anyone doubts that ..
          5. hydrox
            hydrox 22 September 2019 09: 26
            +1
            The fact is that ANY object should be protected not by short-range, medium and long-range air defense systems, but by SYSTEMS built on the INTERACTION of all such systems and working according to the AGREED algorithms and under the control of a single CIUS (this can be a country or regional CIUS).
            That is why ALL the latest models of S, Bukov, Torov complexes and partly Shell Armor CAN work in such coordinated air defense systems that can be called not object-based, but distributed, taking into account the fact that even modern civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field territory of almost any size (if it is, of course, populated).
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 22 September 2019 09: 55
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              even modern civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field of a territory of almost any size

              Fly away ... said already:

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              do not write about things that you don’t know ... so there’s less chance of finding yourself in an interesting position

              You have here, as in that fairy tale - "every word is a mystery" fool

              Quote: hydrox
              SYSTEMS built on the INTERACTION of all such complexes and working according to the AGREED algorithms and under the control of a single CIUS (this can be a country or regional CIUS)

              Well, it’s only with special

              Quote: hydrox
              calculus systems in the "brains" of BIUS

              Horror, damn it request
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 22 September 2019 11: 02
                -3
                Get out, flea collar! laughing
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 22 September 2019 11: 09
                  0
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Went out, flea collar

                  Rude is bad for karma. Tell us better about building

                  Quote: hydrox
                  ... a continuous radar field of the territory of almost any size

                  using transceivers:

                  Quote: hydrox
                  ... civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field ..

                  I am sure many people will be interested in this know-how. wink
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 22 September 2019 11: 41
                    0
                    Is everything flood?
                    After all, he asked: I don’t intend to communicate with everyone (oops!).
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 22 September 2019 12: 18
                      0
                      Quote: hydrox
                      Is everything flood?

                      Flood is just you. Once again - the question: how do you intend to use the repeaters of "civil mobile communications"

                      Quote: hydrox
                      ... to build a continuous radar field of the territory of almost any size

                      It is still very interesting ... wait, sir yes
                      1. hydrox
                        hydrox 22 September 2019 12: 20
                        -2
                        Already answered: I don’t want to communicate with everyone (oh!)!
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 22 September 2019 12: 32
                        0
                        Quote: hydrox
                        Already answered ...

                        That is - again trepidation. Clear. Funny yes
                      3. hydrox
                        hydrox 22 September 2019 12: 33
                        -4
                        Foo-oo-oo-oo! yes
        2. SSR
          SSR 21 September 2019 17: 35
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

          And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

          But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.
          Quote: krot
          And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

          + I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.
          1. major147
            major147 22 September 2019 13: 38
            +2
            Quote: SSR
            + I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBWFRTwyBE
            1. SSR
              SSR 22 September 2019 14: 25
              +6
              Quote: major147
              Quote: SSR
              + I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBWFRTwyBE

              Thank! It is the most!

              1. major147
                major147 22 September 2019 14: 39
                +1
                Quote: SSR
                It is the most!

                I can’t insert the video. Tell me how?
              2. Alex20042004
                Alex20042004 22 September 2019 16: 29
                +1
                I counted 8 destroyed hail! Targets.
                1. pvs512
                  pvs512 22 September 2019 20: 02
                  0
                  Hail flies fast. They shot down drones apparently.
              3. Vitaminchik05
                Vitaminchik05 23 September 2019 10: 17
                +2
                And where does the armor? This is the Phalanx. And this turns out to be a video from the game.
                “Falanx” is developing new areas of its application - the army ordered 43 units for ground-based modification of the complex to protect US bases abroad. The ground-based phalanx was designated the “Centurion” C-RAM (counter-rocket, artillery, mortar) –this abbreviation exhaustively explains the purpose of the complex — protecting the base’s territory from operational-tactical missiles, mortar shells and large-caliber artillery shells. C-RAM rate of fire reduced to 2000 fps / min. Unlike the naval "Phalanx", this modification uses the M940 HEIT-SD fragmentation and funnels - this is done, first of all, to increase safety - in case of a miss, the marine projectile with the uranium core will fly into the void and be buried in the waves, the ground projectile should in order to be sure to be equipped with self-liquidation. The complex is able to cover the area of ​​1,2 square. kilometers It is reported that in Iraq, the "Centurions" successfully repelled 105 mortar shelling of the American positions.
                https://topwar.ru/18761-shestipalaya-falanga-zenitnyy-artilleriyskiy-kompleks-phalanx.html
      2. Nycomed
        Nycomed 21 September 2019 13: 53
        -84
        A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...
        1. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 21 September 2019 14: 12
          +56
          A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

          The officer serving the bandits is not an officer. crying
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 21 September 2019 14: 41
            -35
            And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?
            1. maidan.izrailovich
              maidan.izrailovich 21 September 2019 15: 02
              +31
              And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?

              Armies fought on both sides of the Civil. With their charters, commanders (officers) and political goals. It was only then that the propaganda of the victors created from the losers bandits. And in the film a gang is clearly shown. The purpose of which is to rob and kill. Once in the gang, the White Guard officer ceased to be an officer.
              1. krot
                krot 21 September 2019 16: 03
                +10
                Armies fought on both sides of the Civil
                Why explain to him, he didn’t seem to watch a movie either, and he didn’t teach history at school) How often do we encounter ignorance, unfortunately! And they are also trying to tell something else)) Horror)
                1. Nycomed
                  Nycomed 21 September 2019 17: 37
                  -12
                  Respected! I watched this film no less times than you. And I am familiar with history. And about "ignorance" you can broadcast to your reflection in the mirror. Yes, I have not read the "short course on the history of the CPSU (b)", and you know what is typical? I'm not going to do this in the future! Sorry. hi
                  1. vidoogl
                    vidoogl 21 September 2019 20: 38
                    +1
                    "Yes, I have not read the" short course on the history of the CPSU (b) ", and do you know what is typical? I am not going to do this in the future!" - well, in vain! Your ignorance is little cause for pride! Well, yes, as they say - in the absence of a young maid, Nicomedes had to go to the old janitor.
                    1. Nycomed
                      Nycomed 21 September 2019 20: 43
                      -6
                      Anecdote so-so ... With a big beard, find something fresh. lol
              2. Nycomed
                Nycomed 21 September 2019 16: 15
                -9
                So Semyonov killed! And I won't even talk about Annenkov, the peasants themselves fled to the Reds, talking about the atrocities of this "officer", if I may say so. They hung up and did the right thing! And now, somewhere else, monuments to these "Judas" are being erected. In Poland, in the Czech Republic - we are indignant, but under our very noses? SS Sturmbannfuehrer, however, of Cossack origin. Sieg Heil!
            2. ccsr
              ccsr 21 September 2019 16: 22
              +1
              Quote: Nycomed
              And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?

              The lackeys serving the Germans.
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 21 September 2019 16: 33
                -11
                And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 21 September 2019 16: 37
                  +8
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?

                  So you do not pay attention to them - is this your position, or for the sake of a red word blurted out?
                  The characters you listed will always be despised, since they went to serve the enemy in order to destroy our people, and suffered a deserved punishment.
                  1. Nycomed
                    Nycomed 21 September 2019 17: 14
                    -12
                    What is the position ?? !! They just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called", excuse me, I had to use this term, "double standards". Do you have enough courage to look in the mirror?
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 21 September 2019 18: 30
                      +3
                      Quote: Nycomed
                      Just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called",

                      Never mind - you're not the only one here. Better think about why such a reaction to your text.
                    2. lucul
                      lucul 21 September 2019 20: 28
                      +1
                      What is the position ?? !! They just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called", excuse me, I had to use this term, "double standards". Do you have enough courage to look in the mirror?

                      You have a "foreign" mentality.
                      Hence the rejection of what you said ....
                2. vidoogl
                  vidoogl 21 September 2019 20: 39
                  +6
                  Apparently - for idiocy!
                  1. Nycomed
                    Nycomed 21 September 2019 23: 13
                    -5
                    This, to the "mirror", take a closer look. There you will see everything that you obviously lacked. Take a closer look. hi
                3. hydrox
                  hydrox 22 September 2019 09: 40
                  +1
                  No, I didn’t lie, but I overturned Russian history with its liberal interpretation - and you get the disadvantages of your labors.
                  1. Nycomed
                    Nycomed 22 September 2019 10: 23
                    -2
                    And you, Dear, can you boast that you know the "Russian" history?
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 22 September 2019 11: 12
                      +1
                      I am not a historian, therefore, it is enough for me to know it in such a volume to know and understand my place in that society that I would like to see built in Russia: WHO AM I, WHERE I and WHY I - this coordinate system is mobile and easily changes depending from power constants.
                      You position yourself as a liberal - a flag in your hands: I do not support, I do not sympathize, and I will not "volunteer" about freedom.
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        2. Amateur
          Amateur 21 September 2019 14: 51
          +6
          Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

          Earn for 3 months minus 1180 points you must try. Continue Nycomed in the same vein.
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 21 September 2019 16: 05
            -8
            Do you think I'm interested in "ratings"? Yes, the Lord is with you! I can voice my opinion, and that's enough for me. And, whether it coincides, or not, with other opinions ... That's the whole point! I'm just interested in other opinions. I am ready to argue, ready to defend my opinion, but I think about "ratings" last, if I think about it at all ... hi
            1. ltc35
              ltc35 21 September 2019 17: 02
              +4
              It’s good that you have an opinion. And often mine coincides with yours. But. Sometimes you openly provoke people to cons. It seems that you are collecting statistics hi
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 21 September 2019 17: 23
                -1
                I do not provoke anyone, I just have my own opinion. And to play according to the rules described by I.A. Krylov: "The cuckoo praises the rooster, for the fact that he praises the cuckoo," I will never! Too old for that, and in his youth he was straight ...
                1. Russia
                  Russia 21 September 2019 18: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  I do not provoke anyone, I just have my opinion.

                  We believe that is why they are running to the baseboard.
                  Quote: Nycomed
                  Too old for this, and in his youth was direct ...


                  Yes, and I'm not young, and everyone at that time had a "direct" or "very direct". wink

                  What are you talking about, Man, and shed tears? smile
                2. hydrox
                  hydrox 22 September 2019 09: 53
                  -2
                  There is nothing you can do :: you live in a society quite contrastingly divided into separate large and not so fragments, so there is plenty to choose from with whom you are.
                  But this is the same society that lived 80 years under the poor socialism and as a result formed the MOST large fragment of this society (about 80-85%), which is the stronghold of society, ACKNOWLEDGING the law, order and justice, and NOT RECOGNIZING parasitism , exploitation and inequality - and these are not supporters of Soviet socialism, but socialism 2.0, i.e. its improved and refurbished version.
                  So it's up to you to choose: you are part of the general majority, or you are an egoist, a liberoid, "my hut is on the edge."
                  Do not join - you will be rejected (although now you are more and more retiring to the camp of the outcast).
            2. vidoogl
              vidoogl 21 September 2019 20: 41
              +2
              "I can voice my opinion, and that's enough for me." - this marker unmistakably indicates the miracle bell.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 22 September 2019 09: 56
                -2
                This is not a marker, it is a cry of despair of loneliness in society ...
            3. bar
              bar 23 September 2019 10: 25
              0
              Do you think I'm interested in "ratings"? ... I'm just interested in other opinions.

              It seems to me alone that you are confused in the testimony?
          2. Nycomed
            Nycomed 23 September 2019 10: 33
            0
            Already "minus 6100", there is something to strive for! drinks
        3. Russia
          Russia 21 September 2019 15: 58
          +12
          Quote: Nycomed
          A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

          Because you are laughing in the wrong place, that's why you choke, and you wear a skullcap backwards. wink
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 21 September 2019 23: 09
            -4
            Are you adequate? Maybe the "right" doctor with haloperidol is better? Aggravation? It happens, hold on. The country needs you!
        4. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 22 September 2019 00: 25
          +1
          This officer ceased to be not only an officer joining a gang, he lost his dignity and simple men, as well as every gangster.
        5. sivuch
          sivuch 22 September 2019 09: 57
          0
          Only a Russian officer, but a participant in an illegal armed formation of Russian origin, already flies out of the window. Just in case, this is a response to the post of Nycomed Yesterday, 13:53
    2. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 21 September 2019 14: 43
      +16
      I’ve been watching the mattress recently, whoever didn’t humiliate me, the baby Eun drove the entire fleet away with Khrushchev’s rockets, Erdogan and Modi flew over with requests not to buy the S-400, and now the Hussite raggers gave tens of billions of dollars to Chinese firecrackerslaughing... Crack with a pissing rag on the "exceptional" face!
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 22 September 2019 10: 31
        -4
        "Eun" is a pseudonym like any "fighter" for "Communist Ideas", and his real name is Kim Jong Pook. Something like this... recourse what
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 21 September 2019 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      The grenades were "the wrong system"


      Anti-air complex
      Taken in the states of the Saudis.
      But he did not live up to hopes -
      UAVs are not shot down.

      The Pentagon acquitted
      Bad Patriot.
      These complexes are hardly
      Someone will take from them.
      hi
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 21 September 2019 21: 36
        +1
        Psheki were already in line, the master appointed them "beloved wife".
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 21 September 2019 22: 31
          +2
          Great news for Russian UAV operators
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 22 September 2019 10: 06
          0
          Well, psheks will get the same way in the face, but the basis will not be the Hussite garage do-it-yourself, but rather decent products of the Russian military-industrial complex, which are constantly being updated and therefore require regular testing in a BATTLE setting (it is clear that it is easier to work on simulators on simulators!) - here Psheks and provide us with a training ground right at our side (in addition, it will be convenient to work out interspecific interaction with the Baltic Fleet forces).
          And how easy it is to control the results on the ground: just one A-100 with an escort and a regiment of reconnaissance drones. laughing
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 September 2019 13: 16
    +14
    Could not reflect a single separate air defense and missile defense system in the world, such threats are leveled only deeply echeloned air defense.

    That is, he wants to say that such a tasty target as a large refinery in the reach of enemy missiles was not protected by layered air defense? After all, they knew perfectly well that hitting him was a matter of time. According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 September 2019 13: 31
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

      Avengers or what? So blind kittens against drones
      1. krot
        krot 21 September 2019 16: 08
        +4
        Avengers or what? So blind kittens against drones

        So why did they come up with them then?)) Against Satan, or what?) I think there they will get offended)
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 21 September 2019 16: 21
          +5
          Quote: krot
          So why did they come up with them then?))

          Come up with? It was rather bungled on the knee. That is, the stingers were screwed to the Humvee with a standard anti-aircraft machine gun, and equipped with a thermal imager. In general, against the turntables. And the Stingers have a drawback, it works from 500 meters. What are the drones with the KR.
          In general, the world champions for intercepting the Kyrgyz Republic with a BLA are TORs with Carapace and so far inaccessible
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 21 September 2019 16: 25
          +9
          I have vague doubts about Stinger's effectiveness against small drones. In our country, however, they didn’t put Strela on the Shell either. And there are guns, which is not observed on Avengers.
          So the phrase "unparalleled in the world" about Carapace is still true.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 21 September 2019 16: 47
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            So the phrase "unparalleled in the world" about Carapace is still true.

            Yes sir. TOP by the way, too. This is For Us a clumsy attack of about 50 years as relevant. And for them, such a threat appeared relatively recently. Because even the Wasp is a thing ahead of development of modern NATO short-range systems
        3. Avior
          Avior 21 September 2019 22: 28
          +1
          Against helicopters and attack aircraft.
          Against drones, they do not roll, too little ir radiation.
          But the United States has no other, that's the problem
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 22 September 2019 09: 58
        0
        were Sahin (nee Krotali)
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 21 September 2019 14: 32
      +10
      Quote: Wedmak
      According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

      "In the Persian Gulf off the coast of Saudi Arabia there are three URO destroyers equipped with the Aegis anti-missile defense system and armed with one hundred SM-2 missiles" and no one noticed anything ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 September 2019 16: 23
        +1
        Well, we don’t know where the destroyers were at the time of the attack, maybe a hundred kilometers from where it is impossible to spot a small drone. This is so, for the sake of truth and adequacy.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 21 September 2019 16: 48
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          spot a small drone

          small, this one that can be run from the hand, but here ....
          Seven cruise missiles and 18 unmanned aerial vehicles were used during an attack on the oil production facilities of the Saudi state-owned company Aramco - a representative of the Saudi military department ... cruise missiles at least someone ...
    3. knn54
      knn54 21 September 2019 14: 46
      +4
      Denis. As an option:
      1. Arson of the Reystag.
      2.Tonkin Bay.
      3. "Twin Towers" (New York).
      4. Attack of the Hussite (?) Drones.
      PS For some reason, the author did not mention "AWACS" ...
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 21 September 2019 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Could not reflect a single separate air defense and missile defense system in the world, such threats are leveled only deeply echeloned air defense.

      That is, he wants to say that such a tasty target as a large refinery in the reach of enemy missiles was not protected by layered air defense? After all, they knew perfectly well that hitting him was a matter of time. According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

      hi
      And where is the US defense experience ?! No. ... Participating in military conflicts, the United States conducts mainly offensive actions. In fact, it turns out that the defense (including air defense) "sank". Only in matters of advertising and pressure on potential buyers from the Anglo-Saxons everything is perfected to shine.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 September 2019 16: 28
        +3
        Indeed, I have not heard something about air attacks from NATO bases.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 21 September 2019 17: 10
          +4
          Quote: Wedmak
          Indeed, I have not heard something about air attacks from NATO bases.

          Sorry yes
    5. hydrox
      hydrox 22 September 2019 10: 14
      0
      Most likely, there simply wasn’t a territorial air defense system, and the disparate complexes could not complete the tasks of defense against air threats - by the way, this is a good lesson for everyone who is seriously involved in country and territorial air defense tasks
  3. Sniper
    Sniper 21 September 2019 13: 21
    +12
    strange links makes comrade. Dunford, I would say, is apolitical. making such statements. "Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat."
    let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help ... in organizing the defense of their allies in the Middle East, from drones and Houthi missiles.
    1. Graz
      Graz 21 September 2019 14: 12
      +9
      why do we need to help a direct competitor in the oil market, bluntly speaking to the enemy who financed the terrorists who killed our soldiers in Chechnya, probably involved in organizing military operations against us in Syria, including and drone attacks on Khmeimim, in the 80s the collapse of oil prices helped in the destruction of the USSR. Saudis are enemies and they must be dealt with as enemies.
      On the contrary, it is necessary to help the Hussites with the destruction of the oil industry of KSA
      1. Edik
        Edik 21 September 2019 14: 25
        -2
        Quote: Graz
        why do we need to help a direct competitor in the oil market, directly speaking to the enemy who financed the terrorists who killed our soldiers in Chechnya, probably involved in organizing military operations against us in Syria

        We will help !! If only they were willing! wink
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 22 September 2019 10: 17
        0
        Quote: Graz
        On the contrary, it is necessary to help the Hussites with the destruction of the oil industry of KSA

        There is no need to help, so as not to cause another round of "indignation" in the United States, but one should not hinder the Houthis either by supplying the Saudis with our networked air defense systems, united by the modern territorial BIUS system.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 21 September 2019 15: 04
      +5
      Quote: Sniper
      let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help

      Just in Khmeimim exemplary layered air defense, about which mews comrade Dunford. Well, they don’t have TORs with Shells and amen
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 September 2019 13: 22
    +5
    No "patriot" will attack a target that answers "I am mine". Iranian missiles with English markings? Is the state language English in Iran? The mattresses were completely dazed by their own impudence.
  5. iouris
    iouris 21 September 2019 13: 23
    +7
    It is shown (to the "allies" of the United States) that daddy must be obeyed. Erdogan was the first to realize this when he bought the S-400. The rest have not yet reached.
    The principle of the house manager: "If they won't take it, we will turn off the gas"
  6. Lexus
    Lexus 21 September 2019 13: 28
    +5
    Simply, the defendants "friend or foe" on missiles and drones were operating normally.
    "We don't shoot down our own!" smile
  7. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 21 September 2019 13: 31
    +7
    The American "high-tech" military-industrial complex has done it, and the Pentagon has no choice but to wash its ass.
    1. oldzek
      oldzek 21 September 2019 14: 54
      +1
      that the pants are wet and dirty is not important! the main thing is to save face!
  8. Proton
    Proton 21 September 2019 13: 33
    +2
    That is, this uncle right now issued a military secret, what is their air defense dendro-fecal? laughing although what a secret it is ..
  9. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 21 September 2019 13: 37
    +5
    Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat, but multi-level defensive capabilities can reduce the risk ... attacks that can be carried out from Iran

    What translated into human language means, "Buy from us also an add-on"
  10. K-50
    K-50 21 September 2019 13: 44
    +4
    What does it have to do with:
    According to Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, not a single air defense and missile defense system could have repelled the attack.

    If:
    Neither drones nor missiles were detected by the American Patriot air defense systems.

    The vaunted “Patriot” simply did not see where and at whom to shoot, from the word at all. No echoloning will help here, because they are blind. fellow
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 21 September 2019 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      The vaunted “Patriot” simply did not see where and at whom to shoot, from the word at all.

      For objectivity, I would like to clarify that this complex was developed only against large-sized targets carrying nuclear weapons, which is why they were not sharpened for small-sized targets - there was no such threat then.
      But in general, of course, the complex is outdated, even though the Americans are giving it to their satellites, but purely for commercial gain.
      1. Katanikotael
        Katanikotael 21 September 2019 18: 33
        +2
        Cruise missiles for what purposes?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 September 2019 19: 03
          -1
          Quote: Katanikotael
          Cruise missiles for what purposes?

          In general, cruise missiles have different flight ranges, and accordingly their reflective surface is different. That is why cruise missiles cannot carry a nuclear charge in those pictures that are on the network - this is obvious.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 22 September 2019 10: 03
            0
            According to the debris shown by the Saudis, the Kyrgyz Republic is the Iranian clones of the Soviet X-55, similar in weight and dimensions to axes.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 September 2019 11: 11
              0
              Quote: sivuch
              For the debris that the Saudis showed

              This could be the usual misinformation to drag the United States into a war against Iran. Do not consider the Saudis as gullible children of the desert, they are not so simple.
  11. Nycomed
    Nycomed 21 September 2019 13: 46
    -4
    It is clear that Borjomi is already too late to drink, but you can take the Dome from Israel, why not?
    1. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 21 September 2019 14: 05
      +2
      Selling the dome to your potential adversary is strong even for Israel.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 21 September 2019 14: 29
        -1
        And who told you that the Saudis are opponents of Israel?
    2. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 21 September 2019 19: 34
      +1
      Even if you equip the Saudis with laser swords, the result will be the same.
  12. Hog
    Hog 21 September 2019 13: 51
    +1
    Well, I don’t know. Shells in Syria after modernization are constantly shooting down drones.
  13. knn54
    knn54 21 September 2019 13: 52
    +2
    And which complex will detect small, low-flying (below 100 m) targets?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 22 September 2019 10: 06
      0
      A radar is detected, and such - a wagon with a trolley, starting with P-15/19. And if the Patriot designers saved on the surveillance radar, then this is their problem. Formally, even the first patriots Hmin = 25 m
  14. kagulin58
    kagulin58 21 September 2019 13: 54
    +1
    Imagine a kindergarten for a walk and each machine is cocked with a cartridge in the chamber? A moron uncle Joe Dunford teacher? This is the Pentagon !!! They have the consciousness of 5 - the tape of the child ...
  15. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 September 2019 13: 56
    -1
    They had two types of air defense there: a small SkyGuard - Swiss.
    And Patriot is American. They do not integrate together.
    Why Swiss did not work is unclear. Drones are their competence.
    The Patriot needs to be redone for drones: add software and configure
    radar.
    1. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 21 September 2019 14: 06
      +10
      Ahh ... so the Patriots don't have a radar? Yes..
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 September 2019 14: 17
        -1
        The Patriot is designed to intercept aircraft and some BRDS.
        He shoots planes (not stealth) well, intercepts missiles, but
        there are not enough fragments to destroy and the corps of the BR flies by inertia
        to the goal.
        His radar is quite sensitive, but slowly flying drones
        The software cuts from "targets". Like the Shell in Khmeimim, he regularly fired
        over the birds until it is adjusted.
        In Israel, the Patriots shot down both planes and drones. But under the drones,
        The MSAs were redone.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 21 September 2019 18: 16
          +2
          Drones are not SCUDs ...
          It was much easier to shoot down the SCUD! And that's not always the case.
          And, as they were promoted after "Storm in the Desert". Already took horror.
          "Patriot" - HE will blow everything "!
          Especially Soviet and used by Arabs or Persians!
    2. ML-334
      ML-334 21 September 2019 14: 21
      0
      Maybe whatever be normal, Russia has a lot of choices. Most likely it will.
    3. Parsec
      Parsec 21 September 2019 18: 35
      0
      You do not understand the essence of integration, as, however, the vast majority of issues on which you speak.

      Any system can be combined.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 September 2019 10: 14
        -1
        "Any systems can be combined." ////
        -----
        Any? smile good
    4. sivuch
      sivuch 22 September 2019 10: 07
      0
      NYA, there were Shahins.
  16. Kontrik
    Kontrik 21 September 2019 14: 00
    +7
    The United States was swindled specifically .. I will feel the same thing with their vaunted F-35 and other "golden junk" ..
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 22 September 2019 06: 36
      -1
      You, dear! " And, which is typical - "concretely". hi
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 22 September 2019 09: 12
        +1
        Quote: Nycomed
        You, dear! " And, which is typical - "concretely". hi

        Again the letters find fault with how boring you are .. hi
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 22 September 2019 09: 59
          -1
          My friend! "Tedious" is you! hi
          1. Kontrik
            Kontrik 22 September 2019 10: 28
            +1
            Quote: Nycomed
            My friend! "Tedious" is you! hi

            Well, how can I say, with a sense of humor, I’m fine. I’ll still watch you .. You’re strange and whose one is still unclear, like this and that hehe hi
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 22 September 2019 10: 36
              -2
              And I, Dear, neither for "those" nor for "these". I am for ROBUST meaning!
              1. Kontrik
                Kontrik 22 September 2019 13: 51
                0
                Quote: Nycomed
                And I, Dear, neither for "those" nor for "these". I am for ROBUST meaning!

                "Citizen of the world" means a cosmopolitan ..? And your grandfather, how would you react to that?
                He kind of fought with you (for you) and very good
                Do you think the granddaughter will support him? I doubt it
                1. Nycomed
                  Nycomed 22 September 2019 17: 48
                  0
                  My grandfather will always support me. He reached Berlin, and never talked about the war .... wink
  17. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 21 September 2019 14: 02
    -1
    Arabs, they are such Arabs. Give the fool a glass x ... he will either break it or lose it.
  18. Guards turn
    Guards turn 21 September 2019 14: 04
    +5
    In real life, it's a little different than in Hollywood blockbusters.
  19. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 21 September 2019 14: 31
    +2
    Gentlemen mattress pendautki, recognize your air defense complex as ordinary garbage
  20. Lbt21
    Lbt21 21 September 2019 14: 40
    -3
    Americans do not know how to make excuses! No, they would say how our "shell did not shoot, but if it did shoot and did not shoot it down, it was without ammunition", or "yes, I didn’t really want to," and most importantly, it turns out that the earth is round !! fellow
  21. Borsht
    Borsht 21 September 2019 14: 43
    +5
    inferiority complex Patriot
  22. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 21 September 2019 14: 48
    +2
    I have a special opinion: Arabs are not warriors. An example of this is the war of the state of Israel.
    1. Lbt21
      Lbt21 21 September 2019 15: 23
      -1
      But they are good traders)
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 21 September 2019 16: 32
      +5
      Andrey, how do you like the "barefoot" Houthis? In Yemen, a well-armed coalition cannot do anything. Moreover, the Houthis began to respond in such a way that the Saudis can remain without oil exports.
      Honestly, Hussites sometimes surprise me. It is clear that they are supported, but they cannot be called bad warriors. hi
      1. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 21 September 2019 18: 10
        0
        Quote: Kasym
        Andrey, how do you like the "barefoot" Houthis? In Yemen, a well-armed coalition cannot do anything. Moreover, the Houthis began to respond in such a way that the Saudis can remain without oil exports.
        Honestly, Hussites sometimes surprise me. It is clear that they are supported, but they cannot be called bad warriors. hi

        Hussite Yemenis the best warrior among the Arabs, But, the general rule for all of them is this: against a regular army consisting of white Europeans, Jews, they will lose.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 22 September 2019 20: 48
          0
          White Europeans and Israel have their own developed defense industry. But I would not bet on them in Yemen or Syria, Egypt or Libya. They will play to the point that these Arabs start to diesel them.
  23. Shahno
    Shahno 21 September 2019 15: 01
    -6
    Quote: Amateur
    Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

    Earn for 3 months minus 1180 points you must try. Continue Nycomed in the same vein.

    I don’t know, maybe this is objective. But to turn it all into persecution on a national basis .. In general, I don't think it's worthy. I just notice a certain "attachment" of colleagues to certain nations, based on prejudice and political speculation ..
    1. Umalta
      Umalta 21 September 2019 15: 25
      +6
      Well, everyone is deeply purple about the nationality of the gentlemen participating in the polemic, well, don’t be so primitive.
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 September 2019 15: 03
    +6
    Sometimes a downed arrogance, along with a broken-off sense of self-superiority, allows you to become a good conversationalist.
  25. Shahno
    Shahno 21 September 2019 15: 09
    -2
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Sniper
    let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help

    Just in Khmeimim exemplary layered air defense, about which mews comrade Dunford. Well, they don’t have TORs with Shells and amen

    Well, yes, now on the level. Well, how many mistakes learned, even your specialists. What do you want from the Saudis? Our pride does not allow them to invite, something like that ..
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 September 2019 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: Shahno
      Well, yes, now on the level.

      Why now? For a long time already the arrangement of divisions on the echelons of the alleged attack is under construction, and therefore paramilitary
  26. n111ss
    n111ss 21 September 2019 15: 46
    +1
    Now we need to be prepared for provocations, especially in Syria so that later they do not say that the Russians also failed to repel the attack
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 21 September 2019 17: 00
      +4
      Quote: n111ss
      Now we need to be prepared for provocations, especially in Syria so that later they do not say that the Russians also failed to repel the attack

      The fact of the matter is that the numerous attempts of the West to test our air defense in Syria have led to the complete failure of the West. And now also Saudi Arabia has been added.
      1. lucul
        lucul 21 September 2019 20: 41
        -1
        The fact of the matter is that the numerous attempts of the West to test our air defense in Syria have led to the complete failure of the West.

        A retired German general, a couple of years ago, bluntly stated - "if the Russians want to, there sparrows will walk on foot")))
  27. Yves762
    Yves762 21 September 2019 16: 23
    -2
    Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world .... request
    what Here the "hardware" is the last to blame.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 September 2019 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Yves762
      Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the last air defense in the world

      Yeah, between two Guards brigades, which are first shot down and then asked for permission. And they asked them to be banned.
      But then "Fell - Wringed out" in a year for each takeoff of a Tsesna-type aircraft
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 21 September 2019 16: 58
      0
      Quote: Yves762
      Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world .... request what Here the "hardware" is the last to blame.

      You would also recall the ugly air defense system of the Kiev fortified area, which allowed the Germans to bomb Kiev with impunity on June 22, 1941 ...
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 22 September 2019 11: 32
      -1
      Quote: Yves762
      Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world ....

      So what of this? In 1989, our plane without a pilot flew from Poland to Belgium and crashed there in a residential area. And NATO’s praised air defense only listened to the negotiations of its pilots, because they could not believe it, although according to the idea they should have shot it down over the territory of Germany. So the irony is inappropriate - the human factor can manifest itself everywhere.
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 21 September 2019 16: 34
    0
    You don’t even have to invent anything. This is the level of argumentation among modern politicians and the US military.
    General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Iran was most likely the culprit for the attack on Saudi oil facilities

    "Most likely" is undoubtedly the most powerful evidence of all possible
  29. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 21 September 2019 16: 56
    +2
    It is good that the Americans have such air defense systems.
  30. awg75
    awg75 21 September 2019 18: 06
    +1
    these are very smart rockets. Nichrome simply does not work.))))))
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 22 September 2019 19: 15
      0
      Quote: awg75
      these are very smart rockets. Nichrome simply does not work.))))))

      why smart work?
      thought rockets laughing
  31. Rwmos
    Rwmos 21 September 2019 18: 11
    +1
    no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat

    ... therefore, in the Russian Federation, air defense is complex and multi-layered, but in the USA it is not at all — it’s not a saw on Zumvolts, it’s a workhorse of troops ...
  32. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -10
    Quote: Nycomed
    And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?

    -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ---------
    Do you want pluses?
    Here are some surefire ways to capitalize on the "mainstream" commentator groups:
    1) Most are always right.
    2) Being in the mainstream of the majority.
    3) Do not have opinions based on 1) and other than 2)
    4) To be a neo-Stalinist, neo-monarchist, neo-nationalist (but only Russian!), Neo-historian, neo-pagan, theoretician, land planner, superstitioner.
    5) Be a cheer - a patriot when discussing foreign policy, domestic issues, political and military, economic, scientific issues, based on position 4)
    6) To be anti-Semite, anti-Zionist, anti-Masons, anti-reptiloid, anti-aluminate, anti-liberoid, anti-imperialist, anti-Roman dad, anti-human, etc.
    7) It is firm to know that:
    7.1) all the personal problems of the commentator are not the result of his personal activities, but the intrigues of the corresponding ominous categories from the position.
    7.2) they hide from us!
    7.3) the history was rewritten!
    7.4) scientists are lying!
    7.5) all of our science, production, technology is the best, everything on earth was invented by us, the rest was stolen.
    7.6) all the armies of the world are worthless ... well, except ours ...
    In general, beware of independent thinking, throw out slogans without facts and arguments ... and the title of generalissimo is waiting for you!
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 21 September 2019 19: 45
      -1
      Brilliantly written laughing hi
  33. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -3
    What is particularly important to deal with in this situation specifically based on the results of a drone-missile attack, and the lack of real opposition to it?

    The choice is small:
    1) Or this rubbish technique,
    2) Or this personnel is worthless,
    3) Or this manual is worthless,
    4) Or this technique is rubbish, and this personnel is worthless, and this manual is useless in different combinations.
    Total, 8 combinations.
    No more options.
    Conclusion:
    1) This rubbish technique - replace,
    2) This personnel is worthless, replace,
    3) This manual is worthless - replace,
    4) This technique is rubbish, and this personnel is worthless, and this manual is worthless in different combinations, replace.
    Total, 8 combinations.

    Even if some Patriots in their TTD could not bring down such low-flying targets, then. there should have been other air defense systems to reflect low-flying weapons.
    All this fits in one way or another with the above.

    As for the organization of the drone-missile attack but the facilities, then it is done, taking into account the available means, not bad.
    Whoever did this.
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 22 September 2019 10: 15
      +1
      Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 22 September 2019 11: 35
        -1
        Quote: sivuch
        Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?

        More specifically, if possible, tell me, especially if there are areas of deployment of these air defense systems.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 22 September 2019 11: 49
          0
          I don’t promise today, but I’ll look, of course
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 22 September 2019 13: 01
          0
          An article has already appeared on topvar -
          Attack on the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. How and why overslept a blow
        3. sivuch
          sivuch 22 September 2019 13: 34
          0
          http://waroffline.org/index.php?showtopic=1132&st=480
  34. Klingon
    Klingon 21 September 2019 21: 32
    0
    Quote: SSR
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

    And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

    But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.
    Quote: krot
    And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

    + I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

    do you have such a video? cool, I would have looked))
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 22 September 2019 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: Klingon
      Quote: SSR
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

      And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

      But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.
      Quote: krot
      And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

      + I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

      do you have such a video? cool, I would have looked))

      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 22 September 2019 19: 36
        0
        but I’m not quite sure that this is a Shell, if a competent person comments, I’m grateful in advance
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 23 September 2019 00: 15
          +1
          this video is from the game ArmA 3 and it works Mark 15 Phalanx CIWS but not shell
          1. SASHA OLD
            SASHA OLD 23 September 2019 05: 30
            0
            Quote: Klingon
            this video is from the game ArmA 3 and it works Mark 15 Phalanx CIWS but not shell

            and I played in Armu 2, but I never even saw Armu 3 ...
      2. Klingon
        Klingon 23 September 2019 00: 08
        +1
        it looks like a phalanx and not a shell, is it by chance not a vidos from Arma 3 ??
        1. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 23 September 2019 05: 29
          0
          Quote: Klingon
          it looks like a phalanx and not a shell, is it by chance not a vidos from Arma 3 ??

          vidos from the tyrnet, for all requests like "the work of the ZRPK Pantsir" and stuff like that, either this video with different integrated advertisements is issued, or this one is without advertisements, or purely transmission a la "Military acceptance" or something similar
          yes, thank you - for sure - this is the phalanx

          she’s on the video.
          I’m looking for something interesting about the work of the Shell (I mean it in Syria, where there was work on drones ...
  35. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 22 September 2019 03: 34
    +1
    The Pentagon, instead of making excuses, can simply compensate for the loss caused by Saudi Arabia ... $ bully
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 22 September 2019 19: 21
      0
      Quote: cat Rusich
      The Pentagon, instead of making excuses, can simply compensate for the loss caused by Saudi Arabia ... $ bully

      and persuade to buy more Patriots - so that the next time they just worked))
  36. dolfi1
    dolfi1 22 September 2019 05: 09
    -1
    Well, everything is right man says. I think everyone agrees with this?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 22 September 2019 10: 17
      +2
      Which one? Here all the posts were from men and not one from women
  37. abc_alex
    abc_alex 22 September 2019 10: 01
    0
    Quote: lexus
    Simply, the defendants "friend or foe" on missiles and drones were operating normally.
    "We don't shoot down our own!"

    This is only possible if the statesmen themselves fired at the Saudis with ammunition from army depots. Systems "friend or foe" are extremely secret, anyhow where they are not supplied.
  38. Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock
    -2
    Quote: sivuch
    Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?

    This does not change the essence: judge them according to their deeds. And on business: there is a disastrous result for the air defense system of the country and infrastructure.
  39. nnz226
    nnz226 22 September 2019 12: 22
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    ovsky "general" "3,14zdit like Trotsky!" Our air defense systems in Syria near the bases of the Russian Aerospace Forces shoot down similar drones in batches!
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 22 September 2019 16: 19
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      Very similar
      1. nnz226
        nnz226 22 September 2019 17: 09
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        The second shot is more like a cruise missile, rather than an UAV ...
  40. NF68
    NF68 22 September 2019 14: 37
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    Again, Russia will be "guilty". In extreme cases, China or Iran.
  41. dolfi1
    dolfi1 23 September 2019 03: 08
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    Quote: sivuch
    Which one? Here all the posts were from men and not one from women

    I'm talking about the article "According to the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Joseph Dunford, no single air and missile defense system could have repelled the past attack."
  42. Viktor 7007
    Viktor 7007 23 September 2019 20: 49
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    such states as Yemen and Sa cannot lead the polit. how are the puppets. You see the performance for you.