Pentagon continues to justify failure of air defense systems in Saudi Arabia

The United States continues to make excuses for the failure of its advertised air defense systems that slept through the attack drones and rockets to oil refineries in Saudi Arabia. According to Joseph Dunford, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, no single air and missile defense system could have repelled the attack.

Speaking at a Pentagon press briefing, Dunford stated that no separate air defense and missile defense system in the world could have repelled an attack by drones and missiles at the Saudi Arabian refineries that took place on September 14, only such deep-level air defense deflected such threats.

Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat, but multi-level defensive capabilities can reduce the risk ... attacks that can be carried out from Iran

- declared the general.

Earlier, justifying himself for "puncturing" American Patriot complexes in Saudi Arabia, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that "all the complexes in the world work with varying degrees of success." In response to this, the Russian Defense Ministry noted that the widely publicized American Patriot systems and the Aegis system do not match the declared characteristics in their capabilities, and the powerful air defense system deployed by the United States in Saudi Arabia cannot detect drones and missiles due to the low efficiency of the fight against small-sized goals.

The attack on Saudi Aramco facilities in Saudi Arabia occurred on the morning of September 14. It involved 18 drones and 7 missiles, of which three did not reach the target and fell in the desert. Neither drones nor missiles were detected by the American Patriot air defense systems.

Comments

[Amateur]

The grenades were "the wrong system"

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Amateur

The grenades were "the wrong system"

Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

[krot]

And in general, rockets from Hailim hit the Khmeimim, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles, and more than 10 drones at once, and not one passed through our defense! It looks like Patriot is real bullshit) Perhaps, like the rest of the weapon, the widely advertised USA)

[Alex20042004]

You are wrong, i.e. You, etc., do not underestimate the "Patriot".
Each system has a target detection zone depending on its altitude.
So, above the objects in the SA that were burning, the detection zone is very high. This suggests that air defense systems should be located outside mediocre proximity.
A similar theme is with the S-300 \ 400 in Syria.

[Govorun]

Is it easier for the Saudis from your theory ??? The fact is the fact, and the fact is that the enemy object flew through the missile defense system, which was supposed to protect its object, but did not save and the protected object was destroyed point

[ccsr]

Quote: Govorun

Is it easier for the Saudis from your theory ??? The fact is the fact, and the fact is that the enemy object flew through the missile defense system, which was supposed to protect its object, but did not save and the protected object was destroyed point

I remember the well-known raid on Tripoli in 1986, when the Libyan air defense was powerless against an attack by American aircraft. After that, Gaddafi urgently summoned our military specialists, including from the country's air defense, and among whom was my friend, who had been an adviser there for three years. In general, he said a lot about training and readiness to repel attacks by local air defense forces, so one should not greatly exaggerate the shortcomings of the Patriots, not taking into account the local contingent of service personnel. In general, I do not deny that their air defense system is significantly inferior to ours - we are leaders all over the world in this area of ​​arms.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Alex20042004

located outside mediocre proximity.

Yes, the proximity was mediocre for the Saudis. Very and very.

[Alex20042004]

Yes, how many nonsense on VO!
Nothing surprises.

[vostok68]

Well, tell us about the lower sky above the air base in Hmeimim?

[pvs512]

The Patriots do not have 20-meter towers 40V6, on which they put the S-300/400 on-load tap-changer while guarding stationary objects.

[bar]

You, etc., do not underestimate the "Patriot"

Technique in the hands of the Papuans is powerless ...

[Lbt21]

And what did you want to bring down the city as a patriot?

[vostok68]

Well, now we are only really shooting down the hail, but why in general air defense? Are these toys? Or cut money?

[Lbt21]

And where are we really shooting down hail, and what percentage of defeat ??

[vostok68]

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/militarycolumnist/pancirs1-perehvatil-rakety-rszo-grad-v-sirii-59d50af99d5cb3204167305b

[vostok68]

In fairness, I note, Israel is also doing this.

[Chaldon48]

Patriot made the United States not at all patriotic advertising, now, despite the pressure from the United States, many should think three times whether this "patriotic" trash is worth the metal it is made of.

[pvs512]

They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.

[ccsr]

Quote: pvs512

They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.

Nobody wants to take this into account, which is why they make hasty conclusions.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: pvs512

They beat me with "Shells". The S-300/400 would also not be able to repel a massive attack of small objects. The Saudis have no armor.

Nobody wants to take this into account, which is why they make hasty conclusions.

Well really! Nobody wants to count! Nobody sympathizes with American efforts to sell the Saudis systems that "protect them from air threats"! And when they did not protect it, it suddenly turned out that the threats were not like that! These are not the ones on which those billion-dollar systems were designed! Oh no no no....

[ccsr]

Quote: Mikhail3

And when they didn’t defend, it suddenly became clear that the threats were not like that!

Well, we do not determine who and for how much will buy weapons from the Americans. So, we’re sideways, by and large, how they made money, but we would like the Saudis themselves to sell our weapons - hardly anyone doubts that ..

[hydrox]

The fact is that ANY object should be protected not by short-range, medium and long-range air defense systems, but by SYSTEMS built on the INTERACTION of all such systems and working according to the AGREED algorithms and under the control of a single CIUS (this can be a country or regional CIUS).
That is why ALL the latest models of S, Bukov, Torov complexes and partly Shell Armor CAN work in such coordinated air defense systems that can be called not object-based, but distributed, taking into account the fact that even modern civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field territory of almost any size (if it is, of course, populated).

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

even modern civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field of a territory of almost any size

Fly away ... said already:

Quote: Cat Man Null

do not write about things that you don’t know ... so there’s less chance of finding yourself in an interesting position

You have here, as in that fairy tale - "every word is a mystery"

Quote: hydrox

SYSTEMS built on the INTERACTION of all such complexes and working according to the AGREED algorithms and under the control of a single CIUS (this can be a country or regional CIUS)

Well, it’s only with special

Quote: hydrox

calculus systems in the "brains" of BIUS

Horror, damn it

[hydrox]

Get out, flea collar!

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

Went out, flea collar

Rude is bad for karma. Tell us better about building

Quote: hydrox

... a continuous radar field of the territory of almost any size

using transceivers:

Quote: hydrox

... civil mobile communication systems can be used to build a continuous radar field ..

I am sure many people will be interested in this know-how.

[hydrox]

Is everything flood?
After all, he asked: I don’t intend to communicate with everyone (oops!).

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

Is everything flood?

Flood is just you. Once again - the question: how do you intend to use the repeaters of "civil mobile communications"

Quote: hydrox

... to build a continuous radar field of the territory of almost any size

It is still very interesting ... wait, sir

[hydrox]

Already answered: I don’t want to communicate with everyone (oh!)!

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

Already answered ...

That is - again trepidation. Clear. Funny

[hydrox]

Foo-oo-oo-oo!

[SSR]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.

Quote: krot

And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

+ I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

[major147]

Quote from S.S.R.

+ I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBWFRTwyBE

[SSR]

Quote: major147

Quote from S.S.R.

+ I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBWFRTwyBE

Thank! It is the most!

[major147]

Quote from S.S.R.

It is the most!

I can’t insert the video. Tell me how?

[Alex20042004]

I counted 8 destroyed hail! Targets.

[pvs512]

Hail flies fast. They shot down drones apparently.

[Vitaminchik05]

And where does the armor? This is the Phalanx. And this turns out to be a video from the game.
“Falanx” is developing new areas of its application - the army ordered 43 units for ground-based modification of the complex to protect US bases abroad. The ground-based phalanx was designated the “Centurion” C-RAM (counter-rocket, artillery, mortar) –this abbreviation exhaustively explains the purpose of the complex — protecting the base’s territory from operational-tactical missiles, mortar shells and large-caliber artillery shells. C-RAM rate of fire reduced to 2000 fps / min. Unlike the naval "Phalanx", this modification uses the M940 HEIT-SD fragmentation and funnels - this is done, first of all, to increase safety - in case of a miss, the marine projectile with the uranium core will fly into the void and be buried in the waves, the ground projectile should in order to be sure to be equipped with self-liquidation. The complex is able to cover the area of ​​1,2 square. kilometers It is reported that in Iraq, the "Centurions" successfully repelled 105 mortar shelling of the American positions.
https://topwar.ru/18761-shestipalaya-falanga-zenitnyy-artilleriyskiy-kompleks-phalanx.html

[Nycomed]

A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

The officer serving the bandits is not an officer.

[Nycomed]

And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?

[maidan.izrailovich]

And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?

Armies fought on both sides of the Civil. With their charters, commanders (officers) and political goals. It was only then that the propaganda of the victors created from the losers bandits. And in the film a gang is clearly shown. The purpose of which is to rob and kill. Once in the gang, the White Guard officer ceased to be an officer.

[krot]

Armies fought on both sides of the Civil

Why explain to him, he didn’t seem to watch a movie either, and he didn’t teach history at school) How often do we encounter ignorance, unfortunately! And they are also trying to tell something else)) Horror)

[Nycomed]

Respected! I watched this film no less times than you. And I am familiar with history. And about "ignorance" you can broadcast to your reflection in the mirror. Yes, I have not read the "short course on the history of the CPSU (b)", and you know what is typical? I'm not going to do this in the future! Sorry.

[vidoogl]

"Yes, I have not read the" short course on the history of the CPSU (b) ", and do you know what is typical? I am not going to do this in the future!" - well, in vain! Your ignorance is little cause for pride! Well, yes, as they say - in the absence of a young maid, Nicomedes had to go to the old janitor.

[Nycomed]

Anecdote so-so ... With a big beard, find something fresh.

[Nycomed]

So Semyonov killed! And I won't even talk about Annenkov, the peasants themselves fled to the Reds, talking about the atrocities of this "officer", if I may say so. They hung up and did the right thing! And now, somewhere else, monuments to these "Judas" are being erected. In Poland, in the Czech Republic - we are indignant, but under our very noses? SS Sturmbannfuehrer, however, of Cossack origin. Sieg Heil!

[ccsr]

Quote: Nycomed

And who are the Cossacks, Krasnov with Skins and Semenov then?

The lackeys serving the Germans.

[Nycomed]

And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?

[ccsr]

Quote: Nycomed

And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?

So you do not pay attention to them - is this your position, or for the sake of a red word blurted out?
The characters you listed will always be despised, since they went to serve the enemy in order to destroy our people, and suffered a deserved punishment.

[Nycomed]

What is the position ?? !! They just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called", excuse me, I had to use this term, "double standards". Do you have enough courage to look in the mirror?

[ccsr]

Quote: Nycomed

Just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called",

Never mind - you're not the only one here. Better think about why such a reaction to your text.

[lucul]

What is the position ?? !! They just sculpt all and sundry, about, "so-called", excuse me, I had to use this term, "double standards". Do you have enough courage to look in the mirror?

You have a "foreign" mentality.
Hence the rejection of what you said ....

[vidoogl]

Apparently - for idiocy!

[Nycomed]

This, to the "mirror", take a closer look. There you will see everything that you obviously lacked. Take a closer look.

[hydrox]

No, I didn’t lie, but I overturned Russian history with its liberal interpretation - and you get the disadvantages of your labors.

[Nycomed]

And you, Dear, can you boast that you know the "Russian" history?

[hydrox]

I am not a historian, therefore, it is enough for me to know it in such a volume to know and understand my place in that society that I would like to see built in Russia: WHO AM I, WHERE I and WHY I - this coordinate system is mobile and easily changes depending from power constants.
You position yourself as a liberal - a flag in your hands: I do not support, I do not sympathize, and I will not "volunteer" about freedom.

[Amateur]

Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

Earn for 3 months minus 1180 points you must try. Continue Nycomed in the same vein.

[Nycomed]

Do you think I'm interested in "ratings"? Yes, the Lord is with you! I can voice my opinion, and that's enough for me. And, whether it coincides, or not, with other opinions ... That's the whole point! I'm just interested in other opinions. I am ready to argue, ready to defend my opinion, but I think about "ratings" last, if I think about it at all ...

[ltc35]

It’s good that you have an opinion. And often mine coincides with yours. But. Sometimes you openly provoke people to cons. It seems that you are collecting statistics

[Nycomed]

I do not provoke anyone, I just have my own opinion. And to play according to the rules described by I.A. Krylov: "The cuckoo praises the rooster, for the fact that he praises the cuckoo," I will never! Too old for that, and in his youth he was straight ...

[Russia]

Quote: Nycomed

I do not provoke anyone, I just have my opinion.

We believe that is why they are running to the baseboard.

Quote: Nycomed

Too old for this, and in his youth was direct ...

Yes, and I'm not young, and everyone at that time had a "direct" or "very direct".

What are you talking about, Man, and shed tears?

[hydrox]

There is nothing you can do :: you live in a society quite contrastingly divided into separate large and not so fragments, so there is plenty to choose from with whom you are.
But this is the same society that lived 80 years under the poor socialism and as a result formed the MOST large fragment of this society (about 80-85%), which is the stronghold of society, ACKNOWLEDGING the law, order and justice, and NOT RECOGNIZING parasitism , exploitation and inequality - and these are not supporters of Soviet socialism, but socialism 2.0, i.e. its improved and refurbished version.
So it's up to you to choose: you are part of the general majority, or you are an egoist, a liberoid, "my hut is on the edge."
Do not join - you will be rejected (although now you are more and more retiring to the camp of the outcast).

[vidoogl]

"I can voice my opinion, and that's enough for me." - this marker unmistakably indicates the miracle bell.

[hydrox]

This is not a marker, it is a cry of despair of loneliness in society ...

[bar]

Do you think I'm interested in "ratings"? ... I'm just interested in other opinions.

It seems to me alone that you are confused in the testimony?

[Nycomed]

Already "minus 6100", there is something to strive for!

[Russia]

Quote: Nycomed

A great example! Russian officer of the Russian Customs Service, throwing out the window of the Russian officer of the Russian army. Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

Because you are laughing in the wrong place, that's why you choke, and you wear a skullcap backwards.

[Nycomed]

Are you adequate? Maybe the "right" doctor with haloperidol is better? Aggravation? It happens, hold on. The country needs you!

[Chaldon48]

This officer ceased to be not only an officer joining a gang, he lost his dignity and simple men, as well as every gangster.

[sivuch]

Only a Russian officer, but a participant in an illegal armed formation of Russian origin, already flies out of the window. Just in case, this is a response to the post of Nycomed Yesterday, 13:53

[Sarmat Sanych]

I’ve been watching the mattress recently, whoever didn’t humiliate me, the baby Eun drove the entire fleet away with Khrushchev’s rockets, Erdogan and Modi flew over with requests not to buy the S-400, and now the Hussite raggers gave tens of billions of dollars to Chinese firecrackers... Crack with a pissing rag on the "exceptional" face!

[Nycomed]

"Eun" is a pseudonym like any "fighter" for "Communist Ideas", and his real name is Kim Jong Pook. Something like this...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Amateur

The grenades were "the wrong system"

Anti-air complex
Taken in the states of the Saudis.
But he did not live up to hopes -
UAVs are not shot down.

The Pentagon acquitted
Bad Patriot.
These complexes are hardly
Someone will take from them.

[Cetron]

Psheki were already in line, the master appointed them "beloved wife".

[IL-18]

Great news for Russian UAV operators

[hydrox]

Well, psheks will get the same way in the face, but the basis will not be the Hussite garage do-it-yourself, but rather decent products of the Russian military-industrial complex, which are constantly being updated and therefore require regular testing in a BATTLE setting (it is clear that it is easier to work on simulators on simulators!) - here Psheks and provide us with a training ground right at our side (in addition, it will be convenient to work out interspecific interaction with the Baltic Fleet forces).
And how easy it is to control the results on the ground: just one A-100 with an escort and a regiment of reconnaissance drones.

[Wedmak]

Could not reflect a single separate air defense and missile defense system in the world, such threats are leveled only deeply echeloned air defense.

That is, he wants to say that such a tasty target as a large refinery in the reach of enemy missiles was not protected by layered air defense? After all, they knew perfectly well that hitting him was a matter of time. According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

[Tusv]

Quote: Wedmak

According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

Avengers or what? So blind kittens against drones

[krot]

Avengers or what? So blind kittens against drones

So why did they come up with them then?)) Against Satan, or what?) I think there they will get offended)

[Tusv]

Quote: krot

So why did they come up with them then?))

Come up with? It was rather bungled on the knee. That is, the stingers were screwed to the Humvee with a standard anti-aircraft machine gun, and equipped with a thermal imager. In general, against the turntables. And the Stingers have a drawback, it works from 500 meters. What are the drones with the KR.
In general, the world champions for intercepting the Kyrgyz Republic with a BLA are TORs with Carapace and so far inaccessible

[Wedmak]

I have vague doubts about Stinger's effectiveness against small drones. In our country, however, they didn’t put Strela on the Shell either. And there are guns, which is not observed on Avengers.
So the phrase "unparalleled in the world" about Carapace is still true.

[Tusv]

Quote: Wedmak

So the phrase "unparalleled in the world" about Carapace is still true.

Yes sir. TOP by the way, too. This is For Us a clumsy attack of about 50 years as relevant. And for them, such a threat appeared relatively recently. Because even the Wasp is a thing ahead of development of modern NATO short-range systems

[Avior]

Against helicopters and attack aircraft.
Against drones, they do not roll, too little ir radiation.
But the United States has no other, that's the problem

[sivuch]

were Sahin (nee Krotali)

[Brturin]

Quote: Wedmak

According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

"In the Persian Gulf off the coast of Saudi Arabia there are three URO destroyers equipped with the Aegis anti-missile defense system and armed with one hundred SM-2 missiles" and no one noticed anything ...

[Wedmak]

Well, we don’t know where the destroyers were at the time of the attack, maybe a hundred kilometers from where it is impossible to spot a small drone. This is so, for the sake of truth and adequacy.

[Brturin]

Quote: Wedmak

spot a small drone

small, this one that can be run from the hand, but here ....
Seven cruise missiles and 18 unmanned aerial vehicles were used during an attack on the oil production facilities of the Saudi state-owned company Aramco - a representative of the Saudi military department ... cruise missiles at least someone ...

[knn54]

Denis. As an option:
1. Arson of the Reystag.
2.Tonkin Bay.
3. "Twin Towers" (New York).
4. Attack of the Hussite (?) Drones.
PS For some reason, the author did not mention "AWACS" ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Wedmak

Could not reflect a single separate air defense and missile defense system in the world, such threats are leveled only deeply echeloned air defense.

That is, he wants to say that such a tasty target as a large refinery in the reach of enemy missiles was not protected by layered air defense? After all, they knew perfectly well that hitting him was a matter of time. According to some reports, there was not only a Patriot, but also a near-air defense system.

And where is the US defense experience ?! ... Participating in military conflicts, the United States conducts mainly offensive actions. In fact, it turns out that the defense (including air defense) "sank". Only in matters of advertising and pressure on potential buyers from the Anglo-Saxons everything is perfected to shine.

[Wedmak]

Indeed, I have not heard something about air attacks from NATO bases.

[Terenin]

Quote: Wedmak

Indeed, I have not heard something about air attacks from NATO bases.

Sorry

[hydrox]

Most likely, there simply wasn’t a territorial air defense system, and the disparate complexes could not complete the tasks of defense against air threats - by the way, this is a good lesson for everyone who is seriously involved in country and territorial air defense tasks

[Sniper]

strange links makes comrade. Dunford, I would say, is apolitical. making such statements. "Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat."
let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help ... in organizing the defense of their allies in the Middle East, from drones and Houthi missiles.

[Graz]

why do we need to help a direct competitor in the oil market, bluntly speaking to the enemy who financed the terrorists who killed our soldiers in Chechnya, probably involved in organizing military operations against us in Syria, including and drone attacks on Khmeimim, in the 80s the collapse of oil prices helped in the destruction of the USSR. Saudis are enemies and they must be dealt with as enemies.
On the contrary, it is necessary to help the Hussites with the destruction of the oil industry of KSA

[Edik]

Quote: Graz

why do we need to help a direct competitor in the oil market, directly speaking to the enemy who financed the terrorists who killed our soldiers in Chechnya, probably involved in organizing military operations against us in Syria

We will help !! If only they were willing!

[hydrox]

Quote: Graz

On the contrary, it is necessary to help the Hussites with the destruction of the oil industry of KSA

There is no need to help, so as not to cause another round of "indignation" in the United States, but one should not hinder the Houthis either by supplying the Saudis with our networked air defense systems, united by the modern territorial BIUS system.

[Tusv]

Quote: Sniper

let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help

Just in Khmeimim exemplary layered air defense, about which mews comrade Dunford. Well, they don’t have TORs with Shells and amen

[Reserve buildbat]

No "patriot" will attack a target that answers "I am mine". Iranian missiles with English markings? Is the state language English in Iran? The mattresses were completely dazed by their own impudence.

[iouris]

It is shown (to the "allies" of the United States) that daddy must be obeyed. Erdogan was the first to realize this when he bought the S-400. The rest have not yet reached.
The principle of the house manager: "If they won't take it, we will turn off the gas"

[Lexus]

Simply, the defendants "friend or foe" on missiles and drones were operating normally.
"We don't shoot down our own!"

[Fedor Sokolov]

The American "high-tech" military-industrial complex has done it, and the Pentagon has no choice but to wash its ass.

[oldzek]

that the pants are wet and dirty is not important! the main thing is to save face!

[Proton]

That is, this uncle right now issued a military secret, what is their air defense dendro-fecal? although what a secret it is ..

[Lipchanin]

Regarding the response to this particular threat that you are talking about, no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat, but multi-level defensive capabilities can reduce the risk ... attacks that can be carried out from Iran

What translated into human language means, "Buy from us also an add-on"

[K-50]

What does it have to do with:

According to Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States, not a single air defense and missile defense system could have repelled the attack.

If:

Neither drones nor missiles were detected by the American Patriot air defense systems.

The vaunted “Patriot” simply did not see where and at whom to shoot, from the word at all. No echoloning will help here, because they are blind.

[ccsr]

Quote: K-50

The vaunted “Patriot” simply did not see where and at whom to shoot, from the word at all.

For objectivity, I would like to clarify that this complex was developed only against large-sized targets carrying nuclear weapons, which is why they were not sharpened for small-sized targets - there was no such threat then.
But in general, of course, the complex is outdated, even though the Americans are giving it to their satellites, but purely for commercial gain.

[Katanikotael]

Cruise missiles for what purposes?

[ccsr]

Quote: Katanikotael

Cruise missiles for what purposes?

In general, cruise missiles have different flight ranges, and accordingly their reflective surface is different. That is why cruise missiles cannot carry a nuclear charge in those pictures that are on the network - this is obvious.

[sivuch]

According to the debris shown by the Saudis, the Kyrgyz Republic is the Iranian clones of the Soviet X-55, similar in weight and dimensions to axes.

[ccsr]

Quote: sivuch

For the debris that the Saudis showed

This could be the usual misinformation to drag the United States into a war against Iran. Do not consider the Saudis as gullible children of the desert, they are not so simple.

[Nycomed]

It is clear that Borjomi is already too late to drink, but you can take the Dome from Israel, why not?

[ROSS_51]

Selling the dome to your potential adversary is strong even for Israel.

[Nycomed]

And who told you that the Saudis are opponents of Israel?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Even if you equip the Saudis with laser swords, the result will be the same.

[Hog]

Well, I don’t know. Shells in Syria after modernization are constantly shooting down drones.

[knn54]

And which complex will detect small, low-flying (below 100 m) targets?

[sivuch]

A radar is detected, and such - a wagon with a trolley, starting with P-15/19. And if the Patriot designers saved on the surveillance radar, then this is their problem. Formally, even the first patriots Hmin = 25 m

[kagulin58]

Imagine a kindergarten for a walk and each machine is cocked with a cartridge in the chamber? A moron uncle Joe Dunford teacher? This is the Pentagon !!! They have the consciousness of 5 - the tape of the child ...

[voyaka uh]

They had two types of air defense there: a small SkyGuard - Swiss.
And Patriot is American. They do not integrate together.
Why Swiss did not work is unclear. Drones are their competence.
The Patriot needs to be redone for drones: add software and configure
radar.

[ROSS_51]

Ahh ... so the Patriots don't have a radar? Yes..

[voyaka uh]

The Patriot is designed to intercept aircraft and some BRDS.
He shoots planes (not stealth) well, intercepts missiles, but
there are not enough fragments to destroy and the corps of the BR flies by inertia
to the goal.
His radar is quite sensitive, but slowly flying drones
The software cuts from "targets". Like the Shell in Khmeimim, he regularly fired
over the birds until it is adjusted.
In Israel, the Patriots shot down both planes and drones. But under the drones,
The MSAs were redone.

[hohol95]

Drones are not SCUDs ...
It was much easier to shoot down the SCUD! And that's not always the case.
And, as they were promoted after "Storm in the Desert". Already took horror.
"Patriot" - HE will blow everything "!
Especially Soviet and used by Arabs or Persians!

[ML-334]

Maybe whatever be normal, Russia has a lot of choices. Most likely it will.

[Parsec]

You do not understand the essence of integration, as, however, the vast majority of issues on which you speak.

Any system can be combined.

[voyaka uh]

"Any systems can be combined." ////
-----
Any?

[sivuch]

NYA, there were Shahins.

[Kontrik]

The United States was swindled specifically .. I will feel the same thing with their vaunted F-35 and other "golden junk" ..

[Nycomed]

You, dear! " And, which is typical - "concretely".

[Kontrik]

Quote: Nycomed

You, dear! " And, which is typical - "concretely".

Again the letters find fault with how boring you are ..

[Nycomed]

My friend! "Tedious" is you!

[Kontrik]

Quote: Nycomed

My friend! "Tedious" is you!

Well, how can I say, with a sense of humor, I’m fine. I’ll still watch you .. You’re strange and whose one is still unclear, like this and that hehe

[Nycomed]

And I, Dear, neither for "those" nor for "these". I am for ROBUST meaning!

[Kontrik]

Quote: Nycomed

And I, Dear, neither for "those" nor for "these". I am for ROBUST meaning!

"Citizen of the world" means a cosmopolitan ..? And your grandfather, how would you react to that?
He kind of fought with you (for you) and very good
Do you think the granddaughter will support him? I doubt it

[Nycomed]

My grandfather will always support me. He reached Berlin, and never talked about the war ....

[RuslanNN]

Arabs, they are such Arabs. Give the fool a glass x ... he will either break it or lose it.

[Guards turn]

In real life, it's a little different than in Hollywood blockbusters.

[Tolik_74]

Gentlemen mattress pendautki, recognize your air defense complex as ordinary garbage

[Lbt21]

Americans do not know how to make excuses! No, they would say how our "shell did not shoot, but if it did shoot and did not shoot it down, it was without ammunition", or "yes, I didn’t really want to," and most importantly, it turns out that the earth is round !!

[Borsht]

inferiority complex Patriot

[Ezekiel 25-17]

I have a special opinion: Arabs are not warriors. An example of this is the war of the state of Israel.

[Lbt21]

But they are good traders)

[Kasym]

Andrey, how do you like the "barefoot" Houthis? In Yemen, a well-armed coalition cannot do anything. Moreover, the Houthis began to respond in such a way that the Saudis can remain without oil exports.
Honestly, Hussites sometimes surprise me. It is clear that they are supported, but they cannot be called bad warriors.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Kasym

Andrey, how do you like the "barefoot" Houthis? In Yemen, a well-armed coalition cannot do anything. Moreover, the Houthis began to respond in such a way that the Saudis can remain without oil exports.
Honestly, Hussites sometimes surprise me. It is clear that they are supported, but they cannot be called bad warriors.

Hussite Yemenis the best warrior among the Arabs, But, the general rule for all of them is this: against a regular army consisting of white Europeans, Jews, they will lose.

[Kasym]

White Europeans and Israel have their own developed defense industry. But I would not bet on them in Yemen or Syria, Egypt or Libya. They will play to the point that these Arabs start to diesel them.

[Shahno]

Quote: Amateur

Let's "laugh" further ... Something does not laugh ...

Earn for 3 months minus 1180 points you must try. Continue Nycomed in the same vein.

I don’t know, maybe this is objective. But to turn it all into persecution on a national basis .. In general, I don't think it's worthy. I just notice a certain "attachment" of colleagues to certain nations, based on prejudice and political speculation ..

[Umalta]

Well, everyone is deeply purple about the nationality of the gentlemen participating in the polemic, well, don’t be so primitive.

[Berkut24]

Sometimes a downed arrogance, along with a broken-off sense of self-superiority, allows you to become a good conversationalist.

[Shahno]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Sniper

let him see how the Khmeimim base is protected. and ask the Russians for help

Just in Khmeimim exemplary layered air defense, about which mews comrade Dunford. Well, they don’t have TORs with Shells and amen

Well, yes, now on the level. Well, how many mistakes learned, even your specialists. What do you want from the Saudis? Our pride does not allow them to invite, something like that ..

[Tusv]

Quote: Shahno

Well, yes, now on the level.

Why now? For a long time already the arrangement of divisions on the echelons of the alleged attack is under construction, and therefore paramilitary

[n111ss]

Now we need to be prepared for provocations, especially in Syria so that later they do not say that the Russians also failed to repel the attack

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: n111ss

Now we need to be prepared for provocations, especially in Syria so that later they do not say that the Russians also failed to repel the attack

The fact of the matter is that the numerous attempts of the West to test our air defense in Syria have led to the complete failure of the West. And now also Saudi Arabia has been added.

[lucul]

The fact of the matter is that the numerous attempts of the West to test our air defense in Syria have led to the complete failure of the West.

A retired German general, a couple of years ago, bluntly stated - "if the Russians want to, there sparrows will walk on foot")))

[Yves762]

Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world ....
Here the "hardware" is the last to blame.

[Tusv]

Quote: Yves762

Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the last air defense in the world

Yeah, between two Guards brigades, which are first shot down and then asked for permission. And they asked them to be banned.
But then "Fell - Wringed out" in a year for each takeoff of a Tsesna-type aircraft

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Yves762

Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world .... Here the "hardware" is the last to blame.

You would also recall the ugly air defense system of the Kiev fortified area, which allowed the Germans to bomb Kiev with impunity on June 22, 1941 ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Yves762

Matías Rust, at one time, also successfully flew through not the latest air defense in the world ....

So what of this? In 1989, our plane without a pilot flew from Poland to Belgium and crashed there in a residential area. And NATO’s praised air defense only listened to the negotiations of its pilots, because they could not believe it, although according to the idea they should have shot it down over the territory of Germany. So the irony is inappropriate - the human factor can manifest itself everywhere.

[APASUS]

You don’t even have to invent anything. This is the level of argumentation among modern politicians and the US military.

General Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Iran was most likely the culprit for the attack on Saudi oil facilities

"Most likely" is undoubtedly the most powerful evidence of all possible

[Nikolay Fedorov]

It is good that the Americans have such air defense systems.

[awg75]

these are very smart rockets. Nichrome simply does not work.))))))

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: awg75

these are very smart rockets. Nichrome simply does not work.))))))

why smart work?
thought rockets

[Rwmos]

no single system (air defense and missile defense) can protect against such a threat

... therefore, in the Russian Federation, air defense is complex and multi-layered, but in the USA it is not at all — it’s not a saw on Zumvolts, it’s a workhorse of troops ...

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Nycomed

And why, then, am I again sprinkled with "minuses"? Lied?

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In general, beware of independent thinking, throw out slogans without facts and arguments ... and the title of generalissimo is waiting for you!

[Town Hall]

Brilliantly written

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

What is particularly important to deal with in this situation specifically based on the results of a drone-missile attack, and the lack of real opposition to it?

The choice is small:
1) Or this rubbish technique,
2) Or this personnel is worthless,
3) Or this manual is worthless,
4) Or this technique is rubbish, and this personnel is worthless, and this manual is useless in different combinations.
Total, 8 combinations.
No more options.
Conclusion:
1) This rubbish technique - replace,
2) This personnel is worthless, replace,
3) This manual is worthless - replace,
4) This technique is rubbish, and this personnel is worthless, and this manual is worthless in different combinations, replace.
Total, 8 combinations.

Even if some Patriots in their TTD could not bring down such low-flying targets, then. there should have been other air defense systems to reflect low-flying weapons.
All this fits in one way or another with the above.

As for the organization of the drone-missile attack but the facilities, then it is done, taking into account the available means, not bad.
Whoever did this.

[sivuch]

Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?

[ccsr]

Quote: sivuch

Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?

More specifically, if possible, tell me, especially if there are areas of deployment of these air defense systems.

[sivuch]

I don’t promise today, but I’ll look, of course

[sivuch]

An article has already appeared on topvar -
Attack on the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. How and why overslept a blow

[sivuch]

http://waroffline.org/index.php?showtopic=1132&st=480

[Klingon]

Quote from S.S.R.

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.

Quote: krot

And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

+ I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

do you have such a video? cool, I would have looked))

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Klingon

Quote from S.S.R.

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Based on the same film, to paraphrase a little: "The Saudis have a lot of money"

And to paraphrase a little more, "The Turks turned out to be smarter"

But from such missiles and of the "Grad" type, they really need systems like our Shell.

Quote: krot

And on Khmeimim, in general, rockets from hail were hit, which are several times smaller than the Hussite cruise missiles,

+ I have video on the phone, all the rockets were landed with guns, Spectacle and Sound is something !!! Fiery whip across the sky.

do you have such a video? cool, I would have looked))

[SASHA OLD]

but I’m not quite sure that this is a Shell, if a competent person comments, I’m grateful in advance

[Klingon]

this video is from the game ArmA 3 and it works Mark 15 Phalanx CIWS but not shell

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Klingon

this video is from the game ArmA 3 and it works Mark 15 Phalanx CIWS but not shell

and I played in Armu 2, but I never even saw Armu 3 ...

[Klingon]

it looks like a phalanx and not a shell, is it by chance not a vidos from Arma 3 ??

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Klingon

it looks like a phalanx and not a shell, is it by chance not a vidos from Arma 3 ??

vidos from the tyrnet, for all requests like "the work of the ZRPK Pantsir" and stuff like that, either this video with different integrated advertisements is issued, or this one is without advertisements, or purely transmission a la "Military acceptance" or something similar
yes, thank you - for sure - this is the phalanx

she’s on the video.
I’m looking for something interesting about the work of the Shell (I mean it in Syria, where there was work on drones ...

[cat Rusich]

The Pentagon, instead of making excuses, can simply compensate for the loss caused by Saudi Arabia ... $

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: cat Rusich

The Pentagon, instead of making excuses, can simply compensate for the loss caused by Saudi Arabia ... $

and persuade to buy more Patriots - so that the next time they just worked))

[dolfi1]

Well, everything is right man says. I think everyone agrees with this?

[sivuch]

Which one? Here all the posts were from men and not one from women

[abc_alex]

Quote: lexus

Simply, the defendants "friend or foe" on missiles and drones were operating normally.
"We don't shoot down our own!"

This is only possible if the statesmen themselves fired at the Saudis with ammunition from army depots. Systems "friend or foe" are extremely secret, anyhow where they are not supplied.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: sivuch

Do you know that in addition to the Patriots, the Saudis in the area had other means of air defense?

This does not change the essence: judge them according to their deeds. And on business: there is a disastrous result for the air defense system of the country and infrastructure.

[nnz226]

ovsky "general" "3,14zdit like Trotsky!" Our air defense systems in Syria near the bases of the Russian Aerospace Forces shoot down similar drones in batches!

[Mimoprohodil]

Very similar

[nnz226]

The second shot is more like a cruise missile, rather than an UAV ...

[NF68]

Again, Russia will be "guilty". In extreme cases, China or Iran.

[dolfi1]

Quote: sivuch

Which one? Here all the posts were from men and not one from women

I'm talking about the article "According to the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Joseph Dunford, no single air and missile defense system could have repelled the past attack."

[Viktor 7007]

such states as Yemen and Sa cannot lead the polit. how are the puppets. You see the performance for you.