Pension in Russia is hard to earn. But you can steal

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When will it be better?


Russia has just begun to raise its retirement age. But the fact that with payments would be better almost immediately was promised firmly. At the moment, it did not get better. Not to consider the real improvement a miserable handout from the mayor of the capital, which right up to the day of the city pulled up pensions for non-working Muscovites to the level of 19500 rubles per month.

Pension in Russia is hard to earn. But you can steal




One of the officials would try to live on such a “allowance” himself. But after all, while announcing an increase in their retirement age, citizens were not only promised that it would get better very soon. The Russians, with figures in their hands, were convincing that there simply was no other way out - since there simply were no funds to replenish Pension funds.

And the current workers are allegedly already fed by current workers. For whom, without raising the retirement age, pension money may not remain at all. And with this last conclusion in Russia one can agree unconditionally.

Too often, Russians have sincerely “thrown” since the collapse of the USSR. The “scammers” were mostly one-off — with shock therapy and burned deposits in Sberbank, with default and ruble devaluations. By the way, with crises too. Well, what is going on with our pensions ...

For decades, citizens simply had not been paid extra salaries - no one could not only do something with their pension contributions, but also control them in a good way. And apparently, for those who steers our pension money, this state of affairs is the norm.

Not so long ago, business publications published information on the mass transfer of the funded part of pensions of hundreds of thousands of pensioners from the state pension fund to a number of private ones. Among them, VTB - a pension fund, Sotsium, Gazfond, NPF Soglasie. It seems to be also almost state, but others.



The operation was the subject of attention of the Investigative Committee, which established that almost half a million citizens from the periphery were transferred funds through Moscow and the Moscow Region. All statements about the transfer turned out to be fake, with fake signatures of notaries.

So far, they have not been able to find out who has done all this in the UK, although a criminal case has been opened. This is called: not yet stolen, but always stole. Although it is unlikely in this case we are talking about a serious risk that 500 of thousands of Russians have already been "thrown" again. Most likely, someone in this way decided to tighten up the indicators of private pension funds so that they become more attractive for independent investors.

Let me remind you that it is for this that a very active public agitation is now going on. Seeing solid indicators of private traders, people will be attracted to them, but then they can already “throw” them. And the fact that now they almost grabbed someone unknown by the hand, in fact, does not change anything.

Citizens, why do you need a pension?


So, I repeat, they can also "throw", "thrown" before that. And the fact that the pension funds accumulated by the Russians allegedly burned out due to inflation and crises now is somehow poorly believed. It seems that budget funds were used for anti-crisis measures, and the funds of pension funds, primarily state funds, are separated from the budget by law.

However, even if they were simply plundered, sawn, this does not mean that people did not earn their pension. And all sorts of speculations on the topic of children who already feed their fathers and grandfathers, it would be high time to stop. However, they do not want to stop above. Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova has already agreed to the fact that pensioners, or some, and in their thoughts, probably all, can be completely removed from state allowance.


I wonder what pension does Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova receive?


Sorry, madam, there is no contentment - these are officials on the population's contentment, and people earned pensions honestly. And if officials do not just count people, let them at least not take away the latter.

Already, not only locally, but also from the Duma tribune, some people’s representatives are still trying to propose spending budget funds on the restoration of a large state pension fund. However, the sovereign treasury with us is, as you know, sacred. Do not touch her under any circumstances. It is possible to throw money out of it for the stash, all of the euro, American dollars and American securities, but to people - no, no.

There is money, but you still hold on


Gradually, ideas of a slightly different kind are gaining strength - to urgently increase payments to state employees, so that pension contributions also grow. The situation for this is now the most suitable. After all, already Prime Minister Medvedev, who distinguished himself not so long ago by his “no money,” now is not shy about talking about a huge budget surplus.

True, First Deputy Prime Minister Anton Siluanov still continues to argue for raising the retirement age by the need to close a trillion rubles budget hole. But what’s interesting is that Siluanov, who is not only Medvedev’s first “vice”, but also the finance minister, somehow forgets that 28 trillion are already dead on Russian companies' deposits (mainly oligarchs). rubles, which for various reasons is unprofitable to invest in the economy.

Such an amount, if spent under state guarantees, would be more than enough to solve all pension problems. She, for example, more than the government spends in six years on her favorite toy - national projects. However, in response to those very reasonable proposals, we are again told that "a straightforward increase in salaries and pensions leads to the risk of inflation and even hyperinflation."



The old song of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank, whose leaders, Anton Siluanov and Elvira Nabiullina, are so proud of themselves in connection with the “achieved financial stability”, is painfully familiar that ordinary people do not seem to exist at all. Now, these gentlemen, however, already together with other officials, are offering citizens to take up the accumulation of pension increases on their own.

Do you understand where you are offered to carry your money? Yes, it seems that those non-state pension funds, in which half a million Russians have already been famously “transferred”. Is it necessary to explain once again what pensioners themselves feel perfectly on their own - with this very notorious financial stability, inflation eats pensions faster than they grow. Well, the money laid in dubious funds, if inflation does not eat, then someone will steal.

Our leaders insist that the extra money in the budget should be directed, for example, to the implementation of national projects. Like, they will help solve many social problems. As if for an ordinary citizen, especially a pensioner, an extra penny in his personal and not in the federal budget is not the best solution to his social problems.



Since we are talking about national projects, you should not believe that they seem to have allocated so little money that they would not have been enough to improve the situation with pensions. It would be more than enough, simply because national projects and everything that looks like them are something like a contagious disease, with seasonal exacerbations and relapses.

And almost every year there are ministries and departments that get out of the budget for such toys simply huge funds - just comparable to those that would be useful to pensioners, both current and future. If it does not work with national projects or something else there, a crisis will do. For anti-crisis programs, pension money can be "sent" without any hesitation.

“Direct” is at best a list of the affected oligarchs. They were saved at the turn of the 2008-2009 of the year by budget billions, because, they say, it is their enterprises that are structure-forming, and also strategically important. They, the oligarchs, and again assisted in the fight against sanctions with public money. This process, by the way, still continues today.

It is simply amazing how succinctly described the state of affairs with the distribution of extra budgetary funds, one of the business weeklies, traditionally absolutely loyal to our liberal financiers in power. So, “the current state administration system is so ineffective that any additional investments are“ buried ”money. If bureaucracy and corruption destroy 50 kopecks from each budget ruble, then it’s better not to raise taxes and leave this money to business and the public. ”

Well, and who is the ballast?


Thank you that our writing colleagues did not forget about the population, otherwise what would be the use of business without a population. After all, Keynesian “effective demand” is a massive thing. It is not clear only why we so stubbornly do not want to let pensioners into this effective demand, as if they really are either ballast or a collar around the neck of the state.

However, visit any of the Russian regional or republican centers and see which office buildings look better than others. In ancient times, these were, as a rule, SU and SMU - construction offices that repaired themselves. Now, in every city, almost the first among the best is the building of the local branch of the Pension Fund. In comparison, even the administration often loses.


Here is such a "modest" futuristic building at the FIU branch in Samara


And in these luxurious buildings our benefactors are working - employees of the Pension Fund of Russia. As it turns out, there are already thousands of them across the country. Do you know how many employees are in a similar US federal office? Only 122 thousand, and this despite the fact that the US population will soon be three times as large as ours. Japanese pensioners, who are about the same number as in Russia, manage to serve only 60 of thousands of employees.

The salaries of them, Japanese and American employees, may be more than Russian, although there are doubts, but the fact that pensions in Japan and the United States are eight to ten times greater than ours is known. And social security there is of a completely different level. Only in retirement age will we soon be on equal footing. But only about ...

Both Americans and Japanese may well retire earlier, losing, however, in the sum of payments. Losing seriously, but not critical, especially if additional accumulation methods were used. But, alas, much less remains for Russian pensioners, with their life expectancy, to survive.
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  1. +8
    25 September 2019 05: 24
    All transfer applications turned out to be fake, with fake notary signatures

    When transferring funds to the NGF, no notary signature is required. The wife only went to Rosgosstrakh once (to arrange insurance for the children for the trip) - and already the funded pension ended up in RGS, without any consent, then she did not remember at what moment they managed to conclude an agreement on the transfer of funds. I had to go to the FIU, return them back.
    All our personal data is practically freely available, so look for your money in various NPFs. With such a rate of development of the abilities of "hackers-scammers", ALL savings will have to be stored in glass jars. Demand the abolition of the PFR, and simply transfer pension contributions to the deposits of State banks or something, with the impossibility of using them until a certain age is reached, or any other circumstances.
    1. +21
      25 September 2019 05: 28
      Not to consider the real improvement a miserable handout from the mayor of the capital, which right up to the day of the city pulled up pensions for non-working Muscovites to the level of 19500 rubles per month.
      eh! I would have such a pension ... I would also become "zaputina" ... otherwise it is hard to live in the Urals at 12.
      1. +22
        25 September 2019 05: 38
        Quote: Grandfather as old
        12 hard to live

        And on macaroons? How do "servants of the people" advise?
        And judging by the actions of the "driver's hands" soon this will not happen!
        1. +16
          25 September 2019 05: 46
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Grandfather as old
          12 hard to live

          And on macaroons? How do "servants of the people" advise?
          And judging by the actions of the "driver's hands" soon this will not happen!

          like in a war, he saves his own potato, and his pickles. pasta, it’s rare ...
          1. +4
            26 September 2019 16: 49
            And what remains for pensioners is to grit their teeth and hold on, cursing the "native" government.
          2. 0
            29 September 2019 22: 16
            You will die in the garden while you grow this potato. The back does not bend, the knees do not bend.
        2. +1
          25 September 2019 06: 43
          Well Glatsky very clearly spoke about this crying
          1. 0
            29 September 2019 19: 40
            Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
            Well Glatsky very clearly spoke about this crying

            Glatsky - became a household name for members of the ruling party. For a number of social and social positions, we began to live worse, not only under the Communists, but also under the tsar. Under the king, workers could go on strike against the injustice of the employer. And try to go on strike now? Royal gendarmes are just white sheep compared to riot police. The modern political regime absorbed the worst of socialism and tsarism. Dangerous mix. How do you like subbotniks in a voluntary-forced manner in the era of capitalism? The heads of state-owned enterprises require one hundred percent voluntary access of employees to a free subbotnik. Representatives come from higher organizations and count on their heads. Whoever is not all will punish him. And the mandatory demonstrations of civil servants in support of EdRa? And all for free. No money for travel, nor for food. Just people on their weekends, for their money, without fail love the current government. Yes, and power to the people with love: for the pasta, it seems, enough.
            This is worse than under tsarism.
            Digitalization is especially pleasing. People now buy their own money and carry bugs in their pockets. In a good way, the government should distribute them for free in order to keep the herd in check. You can also lay explosives in mobile phones or insert needles with cyanides to neutralize those who disagree.
            Oh, the author scolded. Pensions, pensions ..... I will not live up to retirement.
            I want a black salary in an envelope.
            All the best. I'm going to sleep.
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        1. +25
          25 September 2019 07: 29
          Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
          Bots now pay 12 thousand and not 15?

          I think the "zaputin" bots are paid more - they also have to turn on their ingenuity in order to come up with achievements that do not exist!
          1. +14
            25 September 2019 08: 57
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I think the "zaputin" bots are paid more - they also have to turn on their ingenuity in order to come up with achievements that do not exist!

            They are no longer trying to incorporate ingenuity, facts are stubborn things and trying to challenge them, they look stupid (to put it mildly) All that they can do, quietly throw minuses.
            1. +7
              25 September 2019 13: 23
              Yes, I think the brightest representative of the cat, pour a lot of water into the pseudo-philosophy of life and stir up the topic of discussion
              1. +2
                26 September 2019 16: 52
                Is that a cat, a cat Manuel, or what?
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            2. +5
              25 September 2019 13: 35
              All they can do is quietly throw cons

              Or cling like a bath leaf with your own tips and little "joys".
        2. +12
          25 September 2019 10: 37
          Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
          Bots now pay 12 thousand and not 15?

          And who pays, and where can I get the money?)))))))
          1. +2
            25 September 2019 12: 43
            prove that GOD ???
      3. +15
        25 September 2019 06: 26
        Quote: Dead Day
        and then on 12 it’s hard to live in the Urals.

        Not only for you. Yesterday I took almost 9 thousand for housing and communal services, and there were 13 degrees of heat at home, their mother. Well, even now - 15, they turned on the batteries, warm as urine.
        1. +7
          25 September 2019 13: 58
          How does a Russian pensioner differ from a Western one? Answer: Western, retired, travels around the world, Russian - goes around the world / "bearded" anecdote /

          Every year everything is "better and better".
        2. w70
          0
          26 September 2019 06: 48
          And all the same, in 24 you’ll go to vote for Putin
          1. +2
            26 September 2019 07: 06
            Quote: w70
            And all the same, in 24 you’ll go to vote for Putin

            I voted for him only once, in 2000.
      4. +14
        25 September 2019 08: 53
        So, I repeat, they can also "throw", "thrown" before that. And the fact that the pension funds accumulated by the Russians allegedly burned out due to inflation and crises now is somehow poorly believed.

        And not one bastard was not responsible for the constant scam! How can you even vote for this gang? When the population comes to 100% awareness that you can not give a single vote to these criminals.
        1. +8
          25 September 2019 13: 27
          After the elections, I’m even curious, if they still raise their retirement age, they start whipping them on a whim, declaring slaves and so on. Then and then the majority will continue to vote for EP and the like?
        2. +10
          25 September 2019 13: 47
          On the eve of the 2018 elections, I asked one "electorate" why "for". Interpreted:
          - He says beautifully, dresses stylishly, leads healthy lifestyle, travels a lot.
          - Do you think this is enough?
          - And what do you want, like in the 90s? Or how in Ukraine?
          A fool can be deceived endlessly, especially since he himself is glad to be deceived.
          And, if anything, you can always count the votes "correctly".
      5. +10
        25 September 2019 11: 16
        The question of how to live on retirement has long been reformatted to the question of how to live up to it ..
        1. -14
          25 September 2019 12: 41
          To lead a healthy lifestyle and, more often, consult doctors for prevention - other ways to survive are not known.
          1. +8
            25 September 2019 12: 44
            not plump chtoli ?? drinks
            1. +1
              25 September 2019 14: 37
              vdug returned romance why such a replay
          2. +6
            25 September 2019 12: 57
            more often to doctors for prevention

            It’s not possible to find normal money for treatment .. but prevention is not an option ..
            Those who fly to Israel for recovery do not care about pensions ..
          3. +10
            25 September 2019 13: 31
            A lot of money is needed for a healthy lifestyle, but most do not, so your advice, unfortunately, doesn’t work for many
            1. -7
              25 September 2019 16: 23
              For a healthy lifestyle, will power is needed first - but most do not.
      6. +3
        25 September 2019 11: 34
        Quote: Dead Day
        Not to consider the real improvement a miserable handout from the mayor of the capital, which right up to the day of the city pulled up pensions for non-working Muscovites to the level of 19500 rubles per month.
        eh! I would have such a pension ... I would also become "zaputina" ... otherwise it is hard to live in the Urals at 12.

        Do not lose heart, fellow citizens. I think and believe in it, that the dawn (of the country) is already near. Why do I think so? Yes, because the identity of citizens is growing very quickly. And I believe that we can get rid of all this Yeltsin-Putin friendly cooperative (to pump money from the population and the country), at the head of state.

        For example, at a rally in Arkhangelsk people are already expressly declaring a demand: Putin to resign!


        PS Everything will happen quickly enough and for many (especially supporters of the authorities) unexpectedly. As expected, when quantitative changes (in this case, in the minds and hearts of people) turn into qualitative ones - spasmodically. hi
        1. +4
          25 September 2019 11: 47
          Quote: Leshy1975
          For example, at a rally in Arkhangelsk, people are already expressly declaring a demand:

          There are not enough "people" out of 350 inhabitants of Arkhangelsk. And forgive me, but when opponents roll down to direct insults (why is this "dwarf clown"?), I look at such people suspiciously, that there are no other arguments? But can this girl speak not by the written word? Or just reading, someone prepared in advance the text? Unfortunately, I understand and know that in the next four years, we will have a lot of such "bawlers and gorlopanok", an example of Ukraine before our eyes.
          1. 0
            25 September 2019 12: 23
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Leshy1975
            For example, at a rally in Arkhangelsk, people are already expressly declaring a demand:

            There are not enough "people" out of 350 inhabitants of Arkhangelsk. And forgive me, but when opponents roll down to direct insults (why is this "dwarf clown"?), I look at such people suspiciously, that there are no other arguments? But can this girl speak not by the written word? Or just reading, someone prepared in advance the text? Unfortunately, I understand and know that in the next four years, we will have a lot of such "bawlers and gorlopanok", an example of Ukraine before our eyes.

            1) Normally people. This is not a pro-government rally when extras provide an admin resource. Although recently, even Sobyanin in Moscow did not do very well.
            2) Well, as the "leader" led himself, he got it. And this insult in nothing special is no worse than the perennial cliché that has always been glued on - liberals (you yourself understand what it sounds like) or liberd, to all opponents of the government. Even without any explanation, but who is the liberals, how do you define liberda? Or just because they are against the authorities and this is already enough.
            3) The girl just says
            not written
            and this is understandable by the construction of her speech. Although it is possible that the main points of speech, that would not be forgotten from excitement and recorded. And how to speak
            according to writing
            it is you at Mr. P.’s speech pay attention.
            4) Yes, not already in power for any four years. The next, maximum 2021, will be a turning point. But everything will sooner be faster than later. "Confusion and vacillation" are clearly visible even among the "elites", how they "change their shoes" on resonant issues. They are at a loss.
            5) But the fact that we will have almost everything the same as in Ukraine, I (and other opponents of the government) have been writing for a very long time. I can even find my posts about this in the past and the year before last.
            But these upcoming events, this is not our fault, we just understood it much earlier, and the fault of those approvalswho until the last refuses to understand this. And the longer it drags on, the more it will explode.
            1. -9
              25 September 2019 12: 39
              Goss, how many of you ... and when will you end request

              Quote: Leshy1975
              The next, maximum 2021 year will be crucial

              It would be more likely. Here comes Leshy from the fog, weeps at the stupid, and - on the bunk ...

              Quote: Leshy1975
              Everything will happen fast enough ... spasmodically

              In, in fact. There was a free man - the defendant became. It's so simple wink

              Quote: Leshy1975
              we will have almost everything the same as in Ukraine

              Volobuev, here is your sword (s) laughing

              Quote: Leshy1975
              I can even find my posts about it, last year and the year before last

              Do not be sad - they will be found without you, as the time comes.

              Quote: Leshy1975
              ... it’s not our fault, we just understood it much earlier, but the fault of those ...

              And you tell the investigator ... rehearsing, or what? Well, rehearse Yes
              1. +7
                25 September 2019 12: 45
                and remember - "Fedot, don't trust the investigator !!"
              2. -2
                25 September 2019 12: 59
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Goss, how many of you ... and when will you end request

                Quote: Leshy1975
                The next, maximum 2021 year will be crucial

                It would be more likely. Here comes Leshy from the fog, weeps at the stupid, and - on the bunk ...

                Quote: Leshy1975
                Everything will happen fast enough ... spasmodically

                In, in fact. There was a free man - the defendant became. It's so simple wink

                Quote: Leshy1975
                we will have almost everything the same as in Ukraine

                Volobuev, here is your sword (s) laughing

                Quote: Leshy1975
                I can even find my posts about it, last year and the year before last

                Do not be sad - they will be found without you, as the time comes.

                Quote: Leshy1975
                ... it’s not our fault, we just understood it much earlier, but the fault of those ...

                And you tell the investigator ... rehearsing, or what? Well, rehearse Yes

                And you are a citizen of Kitty, when the events expected by me in particular will nevertheless come, do not try to disappear. You will have a special, separate conversation on the topic of re-education and all that. And then remind me of both the investigator and the promised HP to me in the back from a few meters. Network, she really remembers everything.

                HS And I hope that each of us will receive what we deserve. hi
                1. -3
                  25 September 2019 13: 31
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  Then remind me, and about the investigator

                  He will remind you of himself.

                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  and about the promised HP in my back from a few meters

                  And it was not I who promised you. Something with a memory ... not mine ... became laughing

                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  And I hope that each of us will receive what we deserve

                  I also Yes

                  PS: Your serious attitude to the question inspires me with confidence that you will still be clumsy about the stupid thing. And perhaps sooner rather than later. Well, and therefore be.
                  1. -5
                    25 September 2019 13: 38
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    And it was not I who promised you. Something with a memory ... not mine ... became laughing

                    True, it promised, but no matter who. And with you, Kisa, this person had a plan after this: drink 100 grams for the peace of the soul, together with the Consultant (i.e. with you). Although it is quite possible that you wrote it from another person.

                    PS Wait, there is not long left. Yes
                    1. -2
                      25 September 2019 14: 13
                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      And with you kitty

                      You yourself .. owl laughing

                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      We’ll wait, it’s not long

                      The blind man said - let's see, yeah ...

                      Stupid, stupid goblin request
                      1. +1
                        26 September 2019 17: 01
                        You are just stupid, not Leshy. Or maybe you're not stupid, but a troll?
              3. 0
                25 September 2019 16: 04
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Here comes Leshy from the fog, weeps at the stupid, and - on the bunk ...

                No, it’s not rolling like that.
                Hedgehog came out of the fog,
                He took vodka from his pocket
                He took out the fat, sausage,
                Good in the native forest!
                I drank half a glass of vodka,
                I ate it all with fat,
                Quietly dragged on a song
                About not come true cried ..
                I looked into an empty glass
                And went back into the fog ...
              4. AUL
                +3
                26 September 2019 18: 17
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                And you tell the investigator ... rehearsing, or what? Well, rehearse

                Scare me again, my dear?
            2. -1
              25 September 2019 12: 40
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Normal people.

              Man 100-150 ..., this is even less than a statistical error.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Well, as the "leader" behaved, he got it.

              Wait, you are talking nonsense now. He was at a pre-planned event. And then decide where he should have been at that moment, there, in Arkhangelsk or in Siberia. And what exactly was you supposed to do? Deactivate the area personally, run with a fire extinguisher, ride a motorcycle. You know the anecdote about the "running colonel during the war"? So, as soon as the GDP appeared at that moment in Arkhangelsk, it would have been necessary to introduce the National Guard and troops to suppress the panic.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              The girl just says

              Oh, and that she’s eyes on the gadget, no, no, she’s throwing. If so, according to your logic, she cannot read ...
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Yes, no four years in power. The next maximum 2021 will be a turning point.

              Maybe, although I would not be so self-confident. The current government has more than once or twice shown the ability to stop emerging threats, so let's see.
              Quote: Leshy1975
              They are at a loss.

              I beg you, they have been in "this" since birth ...
              Quote: Leshy1975
              we just understood it

              Forgive "WE" are you talking about YOURSELF? Or do you have your own party?
              1. -4
                25 September 2019 13: 12
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Leshy1975
                Normal people.

                Man 100-150 ..., this is even less than a statistical error.
                Quote: Leshy1975
                Well, as the "leader" behaved, he got it.

                Wait, you are talking nonsense now. He was at a pre-planned event. And then decide where he should have been at that moment, there, in Arkhangelsk or in Siberia. And what exactly was you supposed to do? Deactivate the area personally, run with a fire extinguisher, ride a motorcycle. You know the anecdote about the "running colonel during the war"? So, as soon as the GDP appeared at that moment in Arkhangelsk, it would have been necessary to introduce the National Guard and troops to suppress the panic.
                Quote: Leshy1975
                The girl just says

                Oh, and that she’s eyes on the gadget, no, no, she’s throwing. If so, according to your logic, she cannot read ...
                Quote: Leshy1975
                Yes, no four years in power. The next maximum 2021 will be a turning point.

                Maybe, although I would not be so self-confident. The current government has more than once or twice shown the ability to stop emerging threats, so let's see.
                Quote: Leshy1975
                They are at a loss.

                I beg you, they have been in "this" since birth ...
                Quote: Leshy1975
                we just understood it

                Forgive "WE" are you talking about YOURSELF? Or do you have your own party?

                I see no reason to pour from empty to empty and practice wit.
                I only note that the defenders of power have an irresistible urge to downplay the scale of everything that is against the government itself. Even in the case of the number of protesters in this case.
                Man 100-150 ..., this is even less than the statistical error

                In the first row of protesters there are much more people than 10 people. And there are much more than 15 such series. Therefore, a dispute with you is meaningless, as even quite obvious facts, you are trying to distort and distort to substantiate your position.
                In conclusion
                Forgive "WE" are you talking about YOURSELF? Or do you have your own party?

                I say WEbecause people sharing similar views with me and predicting the onset of unrest are also quite a long time ago (and many began to write about this long before me) even here, on the VO website, are not few. And I consider them as my like-minded people, therefore WE. And we are becoming more and more.

                PS But with whom will you stay? In addition to his lies, which are so used to.
                Man 100-150
                1. +3
                  25 September 2019 21: 53
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  I say WE, because there are quite a few people who share similar views with me and predict a troubles offensive for quite some time (and many began to write about this long before me) even here, on the VO website.

                  Dear, you throw high words in vain. If you think that it is only you and someone else whom you cannot name, then this is the open secret that you are trying to discover. People who have lived in the 90s, on the basis of life experience, have long seen that something is brewing
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  And I consider them as my like-minded people, therefore WE. And we are becoming more and more.

                  Lord, how much stupid stupidity. But the main thing is not. I, We, They are all NOTHING. All this should constitute some sort of organized force, and so you and They WILL BE TRANSFERRED ALONE.
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  PS But with whom will you stay? In addition to his lies, which are so used to.

                  You take a lot on yourself. And for that matter, then 100-150 people ROTOZEEV come to look at the marvelous, in the majority they are exactly those whom you think
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  people sharing my views

                  I just feel sorry for you, at the right time you will be very disappointed
                  1. -1
                    25 September 2019 22: 10
                    Quote: svp67
                    I just feel sorry for you, at the right time you will be very disappointed

                    Sergey, hi

                    IMHO the patient is hopeless - here nearby I tried to explain the same thing to him, only in other words.
            3. -6
              25 September 2019 21: 44
              "But the fact that we will have about everything the same as in Ukraine, I (and other opponents of the government) have been writing for a long time. I can even find my posts about this, for the past and the year before last." - Stop fantasizing.
        2. +4
          25 September 2019 19: 37
          Quote: Leshy1975
          As expected, when quantitative changes (in this case, in the minds and hearts of people) turn into qualitative ones - spasmodically.

          Let me remind you about "jumpwise" . The benefit is not far, and not so long ago it was.
          The first stage (also "jumped and directly stated the requirements" am ):


          The second stage: (by the way, there, at this stage, such naive as you Leshy, it is not supposed to be among them Yes )


          The third stage: (there, according to the plan of the second in the photo, you are Leshy, it is supposed to be located)
        3. 0
          27 September 2019 10: 51
          Quote: Leshy1975
          For example, at a rally in Arkhangelsk people are already expressly declaring a demand: Putin to resign!

          "What rubbish, this is your FILLING fish ..." (c)
          I was just passing by, and I thought: "Who are these people huddling in the rain, warming themselves with their pseudo-intellect and other intoxicants?"
          Yes ... Madame Chirikova set, however, a trend - a pretty young woman SHOULD lead the so-called. "protest" movement. Only Arkhangelsk - this, I must say, is not Moscow. There are fewer "unemployed" majors and loafers here. Because, as an hour later, passing by from a walk along the embankment, these, if I may say so, protest idlers, dispersed to their places of base.
    2. -5
      25 September 2019 06: 31
      How not tight wink
    3. -4
      25 September 2019 12: 35
      It is better to store the funds in real estate and works of art - they will always go up in price, the latter for sure.
    4. +1
      26 September 2019 15: 15
      To create private pension funds such as "MMM-Pension Fund" or "VLASTELINA Pension Fund" and the contributors themselves will be drawn.
      But, if without black humor, it will be like in Germany: mandatory pension contributions to the state treasury make up 18,6% of gross income (half of which is paid by the employer). If a citizen wishes to retire earlier, this "early retiree" receives a "cut" pension. But that's not all. With full work experience (now 44 years), a pensioner receives
      only 51% (50,7%) of the pension from their contributions to the state fund. But this is not all: income tax will be deducted from pension. If you withdraw from your savings from a private fund, you can lose up to 3/4 of deductions. And - voila la, klondike! Why rob the funds (everything is already stolen for us)?
      It would be more correct, more honest, at least, to apply pension reform to those who are just starting their career ...
  2. +13
    25 September 2019 05: 34
    and the funds of pension funds, primarily state funds, are legally separated from budget funds.
    According to the law, we have a lot of things spelled out, but Chubais, I remember, offered to transfer the money from the Pension Fund to business. So you never know what we have there "according to the law," while the law is such Chubais.
    1. +4
      25 September 2019 06: 27
      How Badly Staples Swing lol Is Chubais not from the command of the Tsar?
    2. -5
      25 September 2019 12: 43
      Who is Chubais at the moment - and what does he have to do with the pension fund?
  3. +9
    25 September 2019 05: 36
    Good name! plus to the author!
    1. +24
      25 September 2019 05: 49
      who does not work, he eats ...
      1. -5
        25 September 2019 09: 04
        Quote: Dead Day
        who does not work, he eats ...

        "Man: Comrades, citizens, red army men, which of you will be Chapay?
        Chapaev: Well, I.
        Man: Aren't you lying?
        Chapaev: I’m not lying. I myself am.
        Man: Well, then I'm to you. Thank you, your guys gave it nonsense. Everything is returned as is. And then the merry-go-round turns out: white came - rob, red came - too ... started to rob. Where to go to the peasant? If so, thanks again from the public.
        ...
        The man, after a little hesitation, nevertheless made up his mind and asked, embarrassed: Well, Vasily Ivanovich, the men doubt: are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists?
        Chapaev: What?
        Man: I ask, are you for the Bolsheviks, or are you for the Communists? "

        "Bolshevism is the natural basis of Russia":
        https://fct-altai.ru/files/2019/Bolshevism.pdf
      2. -5
        25 September 2019 13: 21
        I’m surprised by such a thing - Almost ANY news on VO, comments on ANY topic go on, as in Russia everything is bad. Commentators, do you have such a life that cry every day? After all, such news are in full flow on TV and on the Web? Do you react to each so ??? Send you handkerchiefs and napkins?
        1. +4
          25 September 2019 14: 35
          No, damn it, we’ll sit until we die! You’re an eccentric, when you are in pain in your body, you wait until you fall off yourself or do you go to dohtra?
          1. -3
            25 September 2019 17: 32
            You’re an eccentric man, when you are in pain in the body, you sit and wait until you fall off yourself, or do you still go to dohtra?

            So are you sick? Diagnosis?
            1. -1
              25 September 2019 23: 23
              Well, you're scumbag!
        2. +5
          25 September 2019 15: 42
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Commentators, do you have such a life that cry every day? After all, such news are in full flow on TV and on the Web? Do you react to each so ??? Send you handkerchiefs and napkins?

          Money has come. And then it’s not enough. On housing and communal services. Throw off the account?
          1. -5
            25 September 2019 17: 31
            Housing and communal services? So sit on the Internet less - for communications and light bills will decrease. And go to work, let it be 15-18 000. And if you are not happy with such an amount, then it means that the need does not bicker too much.
            1. +1
              25 September 2019 19: 32
              Quote: Okolotochny
              And go to work,

              And I work.
              Quote: Okolotochny
              If you sit on the Internet less, your communications and light will be reduced.

              You that one, huh?
              Quote: Okolotochny
              And if you are not satisfied with such an amount, then it means that the need does not bicker too much.

              When I’ll get it at all, I won’t write here.
              1. 0
                25 September 2019 20: 26
                Vova, your “Are you that, huh?” What is the semantic load?
                1. 0
                  25 September 2019 20: 50
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Vova, your “Are you that, huh?”

                  That's exactly what
                  “That one, huh?”

                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  What is the semantic load?

                  I don’t know what your head is there.
        3. -1
          25 September 2019 20: 56
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Send you handkerchiefs and napkins?

          Lech, your words? Discard card number?
  4. +15
    25 September 2019 06: 22
    Not to consider the real improvement a miserable handout from the mayor of the capital, which right up to the day of the city pulled up pensions for non-working Muscovites to the level of 19500 rubles per month.

    Podymov fucked up. My disability neighbor is generally 5 thousand. received a year ago, died. Yes, a pension in 19 and a half for happiness, few dear Russians receive.
    1. +1
      25 September 2019 06: 29
      Shh just don't say that to bots lol The State Department begins to whine right away, Obama you're lying lol They are doing fine lol
      1. +16
        25 September 2019 06: 34
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Shh just don't say that to bots

        Here, one figure once assured that there are no pensions less than 15 000.
        1. +5
          25 September 2019 09: 36
          LPR minimal minimum 4000r
      2. +2
        25 September 2019 10: 40
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Shh, just don’t say this to the bots. The State Department will start whining right away, Obama you're lying. They're doing fine.

        You are somehow suspicious. Case yourself not on 15 rub here scribble?
    2. +9
      25 September 2019 08: 01
      Vladimir, you obviously don’t know that Moscow has the highest pension? Then the Moscow region, ==== pensions in St. Petersburg and beyond all other cities and regions. I do not know the further correlation. Probably, with disabilities and benefits also ....
      1. +8
        25 September 2019 08: 23
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Vladimir, you obviously don’t know that Moscow has the highest pension?

        I know that. I also know that the minimum wage there is 18 with something against our 12. And what for the same job in Moscow get three times more than ours, for 200 with a kilometer km. from MKAD. Ugh. I’ll go to this fucking power grid, and then go to work self-employed.
        1. +5
          25 September 2019 08: 34
          I also know that both the products and everything else were cheaper than St. Petersburg in one and a half to two times, 2 was there a year ago.
          1. +12
            25 September 2019 08: 46
            Quote: Reptiloid
            I also know that both the products and everything else were cheaper than St. Petersburg in one and a half to two times, 2 was there a year ago.

            Yeah, in the bazaar only, but in taxi-buses. Otherwise, the people will revolt. My aunt from Moscow often comes, gasps and groans. "And your prices are almost like ours." As a nurse, she earns 4 times more than my sister, who also works as a nurse. Recently I compared housing and communal services prices, so I was stunned myself, for some items (hot water, heating) our prices are higher than in Moscow. You can google it yourself, I'm reluctant, I already proved to Ivanov, from your Peter.
            1. +6
              25 September 2019 09: 14
              I won’t compare, I will not google it, I believe you, because one night on TV they showed ---- in the collapsing barracks in the middle lane ---- there are more receipts than we had.
    3. -2
      25 September 2019 17: 36
      Yes, a pension of 19 and a half for happiness, few dear Russians receive.

      Vova, well, here you are again operating with numbers, and ZERO itself in this matter. Conduct a survey on the site - how many among colleagues are military pensioners. Their (mine, too) pension is approximately on average within these limits, minimum. Now look for data on how many military pensioners and law enforcement pensioners are in Russia. Moreover, they are still young, and they also get white salaries, and they don’t breed tears and snot, and does not offer to arrange another revolution and civil war.
      1. +1
        25 September 2019 20: 33
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Vova, well, here you are again operating with numbers, and ZERO itself in this matter.

        Lenya, it's you zero with a tick. The numbers were provided to me from the FSIN, from accounting.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Now look for data on how many military pensioners and law enforcement pensioners are in Russia. Moreover, they’re still young, and they also get white salaries, and they don’t breed tears and snot

        Do not breed, you say? I worked with an Airborne Comrade, whose legs in Afghanistan were torn off. He sits, thumps, and he will be given a shit, what a salary, for retirement.
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  6. +18
    25 September 2019 06: 35
    It was always amazed that in our country calculators in armchairs always pay us not how much we earn, but so much - to "take a rest". Any savings are destroyed by "useful inflation," "freezing to build" ... ism, "etc.
    In the days of "gold and silver" man could earn, save and save. Now it is only possible to "live beautifully" honestly earned, until they were taken away. bully
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      1. +4
        25 September 2019 09: 36
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Over there

        school, skipping is not good! Mom recognizes the atat. will be !
      2. +7
        25 September 2019 10: 43
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Don’t have to do that. See the bots. The panties got activated right now. They’re going to be blown away. It's awful.

        In the course of the troll, just you or you have mental problems. You either write clearly and in the case of komenty write, or consult a doctor.
        1. +4
          25 September 2019 11: 07
          Alexander and Dedka. For this troll, the worst thing is to ignore his ravings. Let's not waste time on it and shave off the keyboard resource. Neither pluses nor minuses to him, let him remain with zero, who he essentially is.
        2. -10
          25 September 2019 11: 42
          Your deavitations are not interesting to me lol There is a lot to write about clearly and in the case. lol But I prefer the real thing. bully When you can at least do something Useful for the Millions of Citizens of our country, then you will be interesting to me as a Real Interlocutor good In the meantime, I’m not interested in all kinds of minusers and other husks lol Not Overgrown Yet Even at 0.1 of My Potential bully
    2. -10
      25 September 2019 12: 47
      Work for yourself and you will have your own calculator - estimates of your work.
  7. +18
    25 September 2019 06: 36
    We need to look for positive in everything, for example, the porches are cleaner, each has two cars, life expectancy is increasing every day ... the salary is growing, you just go beyond the threshold and you immediately feel the care of the government ... And the pension will increase, it will certainly increase and we’ll go to the city of Paris, feed the pigeons and the sparrow, with a French, crispy bun .. As we dreamed, our first president Boris Yeltsin was not forgotten laughing
    1. +15
      25 September 2019 06: 52
      Quote: parusnik
      just went beyond the threshold and immediately feel the care of the government on yourself ..

      Yeah, climbed into the mailbox, immediately a bunch of pieces of paper with pay there, I do not know where. These bastards just for the light of a thousand kilowatts last month I counted, today I’ll go to understand.
      1. -8
        25 September 2019 06: 54
        Everything for people wink
        1. +2
          25 September 2019 07: 34
          Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
          Everything for people

          laughing For people in Russia made new modifications of the Kalashnikov assault rifle and so on .......
          1. -8
            25 September 2019 07: 44
            As well as the Wall and Humane Lasers complex lol
      2. +5
        25 September 2019 07: 59
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        for the world a thousand kilowatts last month I counted

        Apparently a tax on sunlight appeared ...
        1. +6
          25 September 2019 08: 07
          Quote: Harry.km
          Apparently a tax on sunlight appeared ...

          I'm serious. 4382 rubles with pennies for electricity. Per month. The excess zero was added, the females of the dog. I remember exactly that 100 kilowatt painted in their paper filthy.
          1. +4
            25 September 2019 09: 38
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Harry.km
            Apparently a tax on sunlight appeared ...

            I'm serious. 4382 rubles with pennies for electricity. Per month. The excess zero was added, the females of the dog. I remember exactly that 100 kilowatt painted in their paper filthy.

            voooot .. and old people with dementia, would you figure it out? hardly ... and would give the last penny ..
      3. +2
        25 September 2019 09: 55
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        .... Yeah, climbed into the mailbox, immediately a bunch of pieces of paper with pay there, I do not know where. These bastards just for the light of a thousand kilowatts last month I counted, today I’ll go to understand.
        And with us --- a thousand ---- this is the norm. Although ---- day-night. Since the electric stove. Well, as my mother monitors the savings, in different ways, I wonder if light bulbs can economically? You probably know that, Vladimir? What how.
        1. +4
          25 September 2019 15: 51
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And we have --- thousand ---- this is the norm

          I sympathize. I have gas. On electricity, a hundred kilowatts runs about a month. The sensor stuck onto the water, it didn’t work for a month, and I, foolishly, tapped it, he picked it up and spun ... sad
          1. +2
            25 September 2019 16: 26
            Thus, if they say ----- they wanted 200 (or 300 kW) per month for an apartment ---- then you fit, and we ---- in the span.
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            ..... I have gas. On electricity, a hundred kilowatts runs about a month. ... sad
            1. +3
              25 September 2019 16: 31
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Thus, if they say ----- they wanted 200 (or 300 kW) per month for an apartment ---- then you fit, and we ---- in the span.

              One hundred kilowatts a month fit.
          2. +2
            26 September 2019 09: 03
            I re-read everything .I'm zabashitsya! A thousand kW turns out so --- apartment and cottage together. Moreover, the meter at home is day-night. When it comes time to count everything and pay, then Mom is always talking about this thousand and how good it is if I managed less. That's what!
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And we have --- thousand ---- this is the norm

            I sympathize. I have gas. On electricity, a hundred kilowatts runs about a month. The sensor stuck onto the water, it didn’t work for a month, and I, foolishly, tapped it, he picked it up and spun ... sad
      4. +3
        25 September 2019 19: 51
        The question is, who else has the radio point? I will continue, in Sevastopol, a radio-40rub graph appeared in a receipt with MSW. I was looking for an apartment, well, no, I had to go and find out and write a refusal
    2. -4
      25 September 2019 07: 47
      Correctly need to rejoice at what is wink Although, as you know, the state owes you nothing wink
      1. +1
        25 September 2019 10: 45
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Correctly you need to rejoice at what is, although as you know the state you should not

        Respected. What have you done for the state and the country?
        1. -4
          25 September 2019 11: 35
          Respected. What have you done for the state and the country?
          1. +4
            25 September 2019 14: 23
            Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
            Respected. What have you done for the state and the country?

            Are you Jewish? Question to answer a question? Or confused and do not know what basic benefits they can bring to the country?
        2. +3
          25 September 2019 16: 14
          Quote: tomket
          Respected. What have you done for the state and the country?

          An idiotic question.
  8. +15
    25 September 2019 07: 08
    This is capitalism .... the power of the rich, for the rich. We chose it ourselves, now we are eating a "full spoon", the majority.
    "My hut is on the edge", "the giraffe is big for him ... pof", etc.
    No matter how much talk about it, nothing will change, and the simple, understandable slogan "PROLETARIANS OF THE COUNTRY UNITE!", Now the majority do not want to see.
    Let's wait, everyone will dress the collars, chip and arbaytn to ..... in short it is clear where!
    1. -4
      25 September 2019 07: 43
      Do you believe that you have a choice? belay
      1. +5
        25 September 2019 08: 25
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_2
        Do you believe that you have a choice? belay

        The choice is ALWAYS! just figure out what you want to see and what not ....
    2. +6
      25 September 2019 07: 45
      Quote: rocket757
      COUNTRY PROLETARIANS UNITE!

      where did you see the proletarians? as a class they are not. That is why it is not relevant. But the number of consumers surpasses. And the right to consume consumers is greatly limited by their financial capabilities, which can be increased by nationalizing the bowels and banks! laughing Therefore, it would be more relevant "Consumers of the Country, unite! For the expropriation of the expropriated!" lol
      1. +4
        25 September 2019 08: 07
        Quote: aybolyt678
        where did you see the proletarians?

        Yes at every turn.



        By the way. Yesterday Medvedev announced the privatization of the Russian Post ...
        And no one was indignant, not a single party, not a single collective ...
        And you say the proletarians ...
        1. +2
          25 September 2019 09: 39
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: aybolyt678
          where did you see the proletarians?

          Yes at every turn.



          By the way. Yesterday Medvedev announced the privatization of the Russian Post ...
          And no one was indignant, not a single party, not a single collective ...
          And you say the proletarians ...

          what do you want? you always drown for power! wassat
          1. +2
            25 September 2019 11: 39
            Quote: Dead Day
            you always drown for power!

            The power of power is discord. For example, God's authority is not negotiable.
            I am always for the power of the siloviks and against the power of the bourgeois.
            1. Alf
              +4
              25 September 2019 19: 52
              Quote: Boris55
              I am always for the power of the siloviks and against the power of the bourgeois.

              In this situation, it is probably very difficult for you to whitewash Putin, he is one of the security forces, but against the bourgeoisie he doesn’t get that bad, but in any way.
        2. 0
          25 September 2019 19: 20
          At a stretch, Uzbek gasterbayters can be called Russian proletarians. In addition, builders now walk with their tools. Here I was faced with the need to hire guys, so they counted 80 thousand, they did it in 3 days for two. And again - "do not agree on less, it makes no sense to us."
          Quote: Boris55
          And you say the proletarians ...
          you say this to the proletarians and I say that there are very few pure proletarians employed in commodity production, as well as commodity production.
          1. +2
            26 September 2019 09: 08
            Just in one of these films there is a shot of how these proletarians ---- Uzbek guest workers in overalls gloomily silently approach ..... Did the author joke or what? I watched for a long time.
      2. +8
        25 September 2019 08: 22
        Quote: aybolyt678
        where did you see the proletarians?

        How not to spread grease on bread, you won’t get an edible sandwich!
        There are common truths, they can not be changed. There are owners of everything and everyone (the means of production), there is an employee who does not have the means of production .... there is a diverse layer dangling back and forth! That's all.
        1. +4
          25 September 2019 09: 13
          Quote: rocket757
          There are common truths, they can not be changed.

          Our great-grandfathers in October 1917 refuted this claim.
          By the way. The trial balloon with the privatization of "Russian Post" was swallowed ...
          Well, now it starts ...
          1. +3
            25 September 2019 09: 22
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: rocket757
            There are common truths, they can not be changed.

            Our great-grandfathers in October 1917 refuted this claim.
            By the way. The trial balloon with the privatization of "Russian Post" was swallowed ...
            Well, now it starts ...

            What are these? Well, well, well, have I missed something in our story?
            1. +1
              25 September 2019 09: 39
              Quote: rocket757
              I missed something

              0 Video: 30
              1. +3
                25 September 2019 10: 00
                Not that, this is our "rotten" reality, about the ANCESTORS what was meant? what common truths in 17 did they refute?
                1. +3
                  25 September 2019 11: 29
                  Quote: rocket757
                  ... about the ANCESTORS what was meant? What common truths did they refute in 17?

                  I will answer with a quote from Stalin’s work: “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR” from 1952.

                  "... Therefore, those comrades are completely wrong who declare that since socialist society does not eliminate commodity forms of production, we should supposedly restore all the economic categories characteristic of capitalism: labor power as a commodity, surplus value, capital, profit for capital, the average rate of profit, etc. These comrades confuse commodity production with capitalist production and believe that since there is commodity production, then there must be capitalist production. They do not understand that our commodity production is fundamentally different from commodity production under capitalism..

                  Moreover, I think that it is necessary to discard some other concepts taken from Marx's Capital, where Marx analyzed capitalism, and artificially glued to our socialist relations. I mean, among other things, such concepts as "necessary" and "surplus" labor, "necessary" and "surplus" product, "necessary" and "surplus" labor time. Marx analyzed capitalism in order to find out the source of exploitation of the working class, surplus value, and to provide the working class, deprived of the means of production, a spiritual weapon for overthrowing capitalism. It is clear that Marx uses in this case concepts (categories) that are fully consistent with capitalist relations. But it is more than strange to use these concepts now, when the working class is not only not deprived of power and the means of production, but, on the contrary, holds power in its hands and owns the means of production. Now, under our system, the words about labor power as a commodity and about the "hiring" of workers sound quite absurd: as if the working class, which owns the means of production, hires itself and sells its labor power to itself. It is just as strange now to talk about "necessary" and "surplus" labor: as if the labor in our conditions, given to society for the expansion of production, the development of education, health care, the organization of defense, etc., is not so necessary for the working class , now in power, as well as the labor expended to cover the personal needs of the worker and his family ... ".
                  1. +3
                    25 September 2019 11: 46
                    And what do the words of Comrade Stalin refute?
                    Not fundamental principles, but attempts to mix one with the other .....
                    A clear separation - capitalism is the basis-component of private property, socialism, this is public property .... and then you can make any mess.
                    this is a subject for careful, lengthy consideration ... not the topic now.
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2019 19: 34
                      Quote: rocket757
                      And what do the words of Comrade Stalin refute?

                      refute.
                      there are common truths and they can not be changed
                      in 1917, a state appeared built not on centuries-old traditions and common truths, but on theoretical calculations and social orientation. And it showed very good results, refuting common truths.
                      1. +1
                        25 September 2019 21: 03
                        The question is, what do uppercase true mean?
                        The confrontation / struggle of the working class, the working people, against the exploiters is an irreconcilable struggle, to the bitter end ..... these are common truths that are enshrined in the writings of the founders of Marxism of Leninism ...... a lot has been written, but this is fundamental!
                      2. 0
                        26 September 2019 05: 30
                        Quote: rocket757
                        The question is, what do uppercase true mean?

                        can there be a sacred right of private ownership of land, the means of production and the money of which will be enough for the life of thousands of people?
                      3. +1
                        26 September 2019 07: 15
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        may be the sacred right of private ownership of land

                        The question is what are we considering?
                        Serious scientific work or "common truths" that were brought out / invented by the owners of everything and everyone, to justify / confirm their right to own everything and everything, to rob everyone and everything!
                        Science will save us all ... or ditch! This is how we will behave.
            2. +4
              25 September 2019 09: 43
              Quote: rocket757
              ..... What are these? Well, well, well, have I missed something in our story?
              And I missed the identity about mail? I heard that there will be branches of the MFC in the mail, also the sale of products, I saw these products in the mail, like about other services, cafes --- were there plans? .... And privatization ?? ???
              1. +6
                25 September 2019 11: 32
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And privatization?

                This privatization is fundamentally different from that, but the essence of this does not change. If earlier some kind of visibility was needed - auctions, some pennies to the budget, today just a stroke of the pen is distributed to anyone who needs the last vestiges of state property.

                Why not? Pension reform dragged and nothing. As the hunchback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go.
                1. +4
                  25 September 2019 13: 10
                  Quote: Boris55
                  ..... today, just with the stroke of a pen, they distribute to whom the last remnants of state property are necessary. And why not? Pension reform dragged and nothing. As the hunchback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go.
                  I was surprised by the cancellation of the 8-hour work day and other standards. I did not have time for details about this, but some restrictions, conditions --- should? Or what ---- without days off, unlimited, work. And not solo ---- exit. ?
    3. +9
      25 September 2019 08: 08
      Good morning, Victor! I liked the comparison of the number of employees of pension funds by country. Here, it turns out, who has the lowest productivity. And then reproached citizens!
      1. +1
        25 September 2019 08: 30
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        We have a bureaucratic apparatus structure that is usual for all developed, and all other countries! About the effectiveness and who they work for, about the quantity .... there is no point in arguing, you can have your own point of view, only the point of that ??? what they chose, they chose, now groaning, swearing, and all you had to think about before making a reasonable / right choice.
        1. +5
          25 September 2019 09: 06
          Of course, one could think about it. Yes, what about? They chose capitalism, as in Europe and the states. But who will give it? Did you talk about the benefits of selling cut green paper at that time? Choose from what was offered in words. But in fact, on the contrary., Got outrage.
          1. +3
            25 September 2019 09: 17
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Choose from what was offered in words.

            Even just diluting the upper organs would be very helpful. It is clear that basically they are all there at the same time .... but it was worth a try. Trivial, decisive, nothing, as it were, the opposition is now not visible at all, because it cannot interfere with anything, it plays in front of its voter, creating empty illusions! Otherwise, it would immediately be obvious who is hu! Maybe people spread to others .... trial and error!
            However, this is so, the game, the fundamentals remain unshakable - The power of the rich and for the rich! They made a big mistake earlier, they still did not realize that how much, why and how ..... stupidly shorter and this is punishable.
            1. +5
              25 September 2019 09: 49
              Probably, the process of awareness is going on now, and here too. The process is painful, difficult. Since many were humiliated by that situation, by the hardships that fell with the destruction of the USSR. That is why a new wave of de-Stalinization was made — to prevent people from understanding lies.
              1. +2
                25 September 2019 10: 03
                Our people do not seem to have Baltic roots! Always distinguished by intelligence and quick wits! Or, again, I don’t understand something, deep?
                1. +3
                  25 September 2019 10: 04
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Our people do not seem to have Baltic roots! Always distinguished by intelligence and quick wits! Or, again, I don’t understand something, deep?
                  Everyone has different fates, different characters. laughing This is probably why everything is at different times?
    4. +7
      25 September 2019 14: 53
      I don’t understand one thing, where and when did people like me choose capitalism? This is similar to a pseudo agreement that they slipped to us and we could not read what was written there in the end in small letters. This choice of the people of capitalism is a fiction of power, which is trying to justify itself! Where is the referendum? When was the question of choosing capitalism? Putin is a liar, as disgusting as Yeltsin!
      1. +8
        25 September 2019 15: 04
        Quote: Campanella
        I don’t understand one thing, where and when did people like me choose capitalism?

        Everything was done cunningly, despicably, the majority did not understand that they had slipped him into "approval" as it were !!! it came later!
        The train hasn’t left anywhere, so that all sorts of different did not say! We are alive, we do not just exist, so far, so we must think carefully about everything together and begin to do as we need! This is not at all for the destruction of the country, it is for returning it to the normal path of development.
  9. +1
    25 September 2019 07: 19
    And again, after all, these NPFs are going to unwind, the IPC wanted to be introduced, now the fuss begins with the GPP.
    1. +1
      25 September 2019 12: 04
      Schemes are not important, the result is important, but it was, is and will be .... A zero result, it is also a result. smile
  10. +2
    25 September 2019 08: 22
    Logical mess - the neo-feudal-capitalist structure of the state mixed with the socialist pension system. We have the same oil painting. In the end, private funds and the end of pensions will be robbed.
    1. +4
      25 September 2019 11: 26
      That's right, they got it ... and now it's time to capitalize everything! The Sberbank is getting ready to pay its British shareholders 8 billion, half or more profit. This is the economy of a dying country, they are unraveling everything they can, that's how the guarantor is on guard of the Motherland!
      1. -5
        25 September 2019 12: 51
        This means that these "British shareholders" have invested in Sberbank ten times more than they are paid on dividends.
        1. +3
          25 September 2019 13: 58
          Which one are you right, just nice? And where did this money go? I personally did not see the result of the investment. And went to another bank.
          1. +2
            25 September 2019 16: 22
            Quote: Campanella
            Which one are you right, just nice?

            I don’t understand, but don’t you know that Vadik has a dollar millionaire? So make corrections to the questions, otherwise he will not understand.
          2. -4
            25 September 2019 16: 25
            Do you work at Sberbank - do you report it?
  11. -2
    25 September 2019 08: 27
    The whole idea of ​​the article is based on one main postulate - "citizens, do not believe anyone, you will be thrown by both the state and private traders ...." If they once again began to throw snot about pension, maybe at least someday you will start to say what we all should do ? Or besides the mantra "all gone" there are no more ideas? For example, take a look at the pension system in Germany or the USA. Where does the money come from, how is it collected, by whom it is distributed. Who is responsible for all this. Otherwise, everything is the same, make a fool of the people. As if the abolition of pension contributions from the employer would immediately increase employee benefits !!! Where did you fall from? If you were hired for 100 rubles (an abstract figure), then no allowances by the state to business will make it pay you more. But if businesses are exempted from pension contributions, then who will finance the pension fund? You, gentlemen, journalists, finally begin to write practically useful, and not shed crocodile tears with appeals to the "shamanic course" or "swamp". Well, overthrow this government, who will you install? The new one will definitely be better? Or how in Ukraine? And most importantly, who is he, whoever you want to replace this with? Skomorokhov? Volodin? Navalny? Grudinin? Sable? Let him tell how he imagines these changes. In the meantime, some water is in the mortar. How bad everything is, we ourselves, without articles, can see. Tell me how to do it better ...
    1. +7
      25 September 2019 11: 21
      All in one pile with the Kremlin’s defender and the eternal liberal approach towards Western experience. What are we, USA, Germany?
      The experience of Zimbabwe is closer to us!)))
      30 years your imperious ghouls have been copying the West so what? Where is the result?
      1. -4
        25 September 2019 18: 20
        Quote: Campanella
        What are we, USA, Germany?
        The experience of Zimbabwe is closer to us!)))

        You? Maybe yes. Because you do not offer anything yourself. Most likely you have nothing to offer. So, there is a head, but there are no ideas in it ... It happens.
        Quote: Campanella
        30 years your imperious ghouls have been copying the West so what?

        What have yours suggested? Or do you even have ghouls? Probably. What is there? The questions are not to the point? You somehow decide whether ...
        1. +2
          25 September 2019 22: 47
          What do you mean did not offer? Communist Party Program! The same Glazyev with his proposals. Even Primakov was trampled from the government as soon as he began to restore order. So there is no need to shake the air here with emptiness. We have what to offer and how to do it, but here you are soothers in a beautiful wrapper!
          1. -4
            26 September 2019 07: 09
            I thought so. Again the communists .... You first ruined a large country, then passed the elections, and now you speak with "smart" thoughts, for which you will not have to answer .... You have five kopecks in your programs of faith. Glazyev, of course, is the beacon of the economy, just tell me please, where did he show himself in practical work? Has the plant made profit? A collective farm from debtors to leaders ...? He is a purely theorist ... Like those who promised to lead the country to prosperity in 500 days. Despite the fact that everyone whom you cheerfully peck at here are your ex, not even just party members, but the leaders of high-level party organizations. And EBN, and Gaidar, and most of the current "oligarchs" who grew up on stolen party assets are former party and Komsomol activists, your "colleagues." You've had 70 years to prove your economic potential. Stalin is gone, and all your programs and successes are over. It was the communists who brought the economy to the "handle". You even went to the elections from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation bourgeois !!! Its antipode. Here you are definitely dummies and even without a wrapper, you are mossy producers of empty slogans, behind which there is no real content today. Only one age-old nostalgia for bygone youth and Komsomol gatherings.
            1. +2
              26 September 2019 11: 11
              You know how difficult it is for a person to explain something if he sees the story in terms of guilt.
              The Communists first built a great state, and then they could not save all this and increase it.
              Your power, for which you are drowning in this way, has not built anything, has not created anything, but it is trying to instill something that has grown in the West.
              And your maxim on the practical work of theorists is simply ridiculous! Medvedev, Nabiulina, Oreshkin, Siluanov and the Commander-in-Chief himself are such direct practitioners that the blood in their veins freezes. Do you even think about what to write!
              Bourgeois Grudinin was an engineer and became a bourgeois due to circumstances; this did not deprive him of his socialist views.
              And I’ll tell you, the dense man - Everything valuable than Russia can now boast about was created by the Communists, and not by you liberal ghouls.
              You only saw and finish, all that you got from the Soviet government!
              Ps. Your ex list is not complete.
              Putin and his entire team are also former and former Khodorkovsky ... the former are different.
              1. -1
                26 September 2019 11: 29
                Quote: Campanella
                Russia was created by communism, and not by you liberal ghouls.

                This is the only thing you are capable of, insults and personality transitions. As a representative of "liberal ghoulism" to you, "a profiteer of everything that was obtained by the ancestors," I will say that Russia was created by the people for a thousand years. Attached to the Empire by the tsars and emperors about ...... how to censor it, the secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU "slammed". Truncate who I mean? The same communist E.B.N. destroyed with the help of party members from the magazine, I note, "Kommunist", and destroyed production, more than the Nazis in the Second World War.
                And your maxim on the practical work of theorists is simply ridiculous!

                In the 90s I also "whinnied", almost tore my belly, with your heirs of Marxism-Leninism, the last horseradish without salt and that on the cards .... While I respect the doctrine itself, but the implementers of ideas in the life for which you voted at the time is worthy of complete ostracism.
                Quote: Campanella
                Bourgeois Grudinin was an engineer and became a bourgeois due to circumstances; this did not deprive him of his socialist views.

                Grudinin himself does not cause rejection in me, but your statements about his attachment to socialist views are worthy of an editorial in Crocodile. You, it seems, even have a poor idea of ​​the theory of the ideological basis of your Communist Party. And there, you reproach someone for the dimness. Teach materiel, to begin with .... You still write Hitler to the Jewish Congress ...
                Quote: Campanella
                You only saw and finish, all that you got from the Soviet government!

                Is it a shame in you that the party members left nothing for you? Looks like they fussed badly ... laughing
                1. -1
                  26 September 2019 22: 25
                  Thanks for the excursion into Russian history, you opened my eyes straight ... I don’t understand one thing, why only Ebn and Gaidar? But Putin was not a communist? We criticize the Soviet Communists, but we do not touch the same Soviet communists who changed orientation.
                  Honestly, your superficial analysis was not impressive.
                  You will boast better of the achievements of the current liberal government. And Soviet Communists are easy to water, they cannot answer you.
                  I just notice whether you want to or not, you are also a product of the Soviet system, only with germinated liberal rot, which was watered by everyone after 91 years.
                  I probably don’t know much in this life, but that does not mean that you are a great connoisseur. Your reasoning is philistine trepidation, for which there is neither serious knowledge, nor relevant experience.
                  If you have noticed, I do not remove the blame from the Soviet leaders, but this does not mean that the present is better. They are just copy pasteurists and no more and profound Russia with great skill, but you don’t see this for some reason? Maybe you are shortsighted and not sufficiently informed?
                  As for enrichment, money-grubbing is not mine and I never aspired to it, I don’t see much sense in it, but I don’t understand this.
                  1. -1
                    27 September 2019 08: 12
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Thanks for the excursion into Russian history, you opened my eyes straight.

                    On health, I give for free ...
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Honestly, your superficial analysis was not impressive.
                    You will boast better about the achievements of the current liberal government.

                    Even under Brezhnev, we sat on imported grain. Today we are leaders in exporting. Is that enough? The rest somehow yourself ...
                    Quote: Campanella
                    you are also a product of the Soviet system, only with germinated liberal rot,

                    Yes, I am also a product of that system. At the expense of liberal rot ... Your theoretical training does not shine, frankly. There is not much liberal in me. I have a very practical outlook on life. I am more impressed by the interlocutor with real reasons, numbers, responsibility for his future. You are splashing around yourself with clichés from the liberal media. It is your point of view about the guilt of everyone "except me" that is characteristic of our liberals.
                    Quote: Campanella
                    If you notice, I’m not taking the blame from the Soviet leaders

                    You just shyly bypass it, like "they built everything, and you stole everything."
                    Quote: Campanella
                    Maybe you are shortsighted and not sufficiently informed?

                    Can you boast of wide sources of information? Do you have any independent analytics? Do not make me laugh ... You draw your knowledge from the same trough as I do. Only adjusted for local conditions and the size of the pension. What can be briefly indicated by the material and emotional charge of your opinion.
                    Quote: Campanella
                    As for enrichment, money-grubbing is not mine and I never aspired to it, I don’t see much sense in it

                    This is a declaration, no more. But I will not discuss your attitude to the law, I have no reason. I just want to note that the current leaders, and those who are in the Communist Party, and those who led under the Soviet regime are not different people, they are one people that has smoothly passed from one state to another. And to say that you created, and we slammed, is not entirely correct. The people from the RSFSR did not leave anywhere, and no one entered Russia from the side. We ourselves are the sources of all our achievements and failures. And you need to learn to soberly look at yourself in the mirror
                    1. +1
                      27 September 2019 13: 38
                      You have trouble with numbers too.
                      I don’t think that in our dialogue we will come to a consensus.
                      You too freely interpret what I didn’t even talk about, in short fantasize to the best of your abilities.
                      I will once again indicate my position.
                      The Soviet government built a strong, powerful state. But due to various kinds of problems, I could not save all this. This is a fact. I did not speak about my role in this process.
                      As for the current government, grain exports do not solve anything. The Russian Empire also exported grain, but nevertheless rested in a Bose. And I do not consider this a great merit.
                      Because imported equipment, seeds, technology ... What is it praised for? What will the earth give birth to?
                      But the industry in the opera! And here the numbers will not help you, even if you draw them in the right place.
                      And the last, contrary to your subjective opinion, not everyone smoothly switched to another state. I stayed with my opinion, though augmented.
                      I consider socialism the future of mankind, but taking into account the general experience of world development and the selection of all the best that the historical process has given.
                      You can continue to rant and question my competencies, I will tell you that I personally am not interested in your opinion, I do not see anything informative in it for myself.
                      If it was harsh, sorry.
                      1. -1
                        27 September 2019 14: 06
                        Quote: Campanella
                        If it was harsh, sorry.

                        Nothing wrong. I tolerate the oddities of the elderly. Someday this awaits me too .... The cognitive function of the brain objectively cannot be constant. It fades over time. This is normal. The fact that you refute yourself in one statement only means that this process has already begun.
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You have trouble with numbers too.

                        I have no trouble with numbers. I did not bring them laughing it makes no sense.
                        Without figures, it can be seen that if 15 years ago, imports accounted for up to 80% of food in the domestic market, today we earn more by exporting food than arms. You can bring other industries, but if you do not want to see this, your right.
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You can continue to rant and question my competencies

                        What for? And your competencies are unnecessary to me.
                        Quote: Campanella
                        personally, your opinion is not interesting to me, I do not see in it anything informative for myself.

                        In general, I do not impose. I already spoke about cognition. Over time it happens, an obsession with some ideas develops. Are you comfortable with them? That's good. Consider further socialism as the future of mankind. And it’s not scary that humanity doesn’t think so. In any case, the idea of ​​socialist construction was put aside by mankind. laughing
                      2. 0
                        27 September 2019 15: 48
                        That's the youth, to fill cones.
                        And China, as I understand it, is not a significant value for you? You’re ridiculous. You don’t need to elevate your Wishlist to the rank of axioms. I expressed my point of view, and you fit in with the world. Cap head
                        does not press? For sim, I bow.
                      3. 0
                        27 September 2019 16: 53
                        Quote: Campanella
                        And China, as I understand it, is not a significant value for you? You are funny.

                        You obviously mean that in China the constitution says that China is a socialist country. Do you take graffiti seriously too? You surely know the world poorly ... In China, state-owned enterprises produce less than 30% of GDP. Everything else is in private business. So tell me, as an Orthodox communist to a neophyte liberal, how does socialism differ from capitalism in its basic imperatives? You, it seems to me, are generally lost in ideologies.
                      4. 0
                        27 September 2019 17: 06
                        Imperatives have passed centuries may not work in the present. Yes, you are an Ortadox conservative ... out of years. You have to be more flexible, the Communist Party is in charge of China, so socialism, though very modernized.
                      5. -1
                        27 September 2019 17: 17
                        Quote: Campanella
                        You have to be more flexible, the Communist Party is in charge of China, so socialism, though very modernized.

                        Any formation determines the economic basis. Socialism differs from capitalism in social ownership of the means of production. So if you rename the wolf a ram, it still will not switch to grass. The point is not in the title, but in the content. But since the current Communists are far from ideological theories from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation as a government from the people, they are putting forward the bourgeois ideological antipode as president. Therefore, it can be stated that in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are not communists, but degenerates and ignoramuses.
  12. +12
    25 September 2019 08: 43
    I think that it will be worse further until this power is replaced
    1. -9
      25 September 2019 09: 41
      You do not think correctly. Do you want Yeltsin?
      1. +7
        25 September 2019 11: 17
        Xi Jin Ping we want!
    2. -2
      25 September 2019 12: 53
      "Until this power is replaced" Then another one will come - the same, with new faces.
  13. +11
    25 September 2019 09: 23
    Our authorities have always been distinguished by their bestial attitude towards their fellow citizens. And now the oligarchs have also joined them. Which, allegedly, would not be in power ...
  14. bar
    +5
    25 September 2019 09: 52
    Not to consider the real improvement a miserable handout from the mayor of the capital, which right up to the day of the city pulled up pensions for non-working Muscovites to the level of 19500 rubles per month.

    Zamkadye pensioners cannot even dream of such a "pitiful handout", even with 40 years of experience.
    1. +3
      25 September 2019 11: 16
      Yes, one country, but different people! This is also an achievement of the modern ruling "elite". Again, everything can be blamed on conjuncture and karma. Or, as Putin would say, you yourself chose capitalism!
  15. +8
    25 September 2019 10: 53
    Judging by the incredible cry in the media that there is no one to work, the birth rate is nowhere to go, and the pension fund is bursting at the seams from excessive payments, judging by the hints, we should expect another increase in the retirement age and a new retirement fee from salaries (they have been talking about 6% for a long time) .
    And we will be happy in 70 years of retirement with a beggarly benefit
    1. +3
      26 September 2019 11: 19
      This is called simply-loss of control! The administration of Russia is simply too tough for the so-called elite. I do not want to be a cassandra, but the clan system will lead the Motherland to collapse.
      No one wants to eat digested broth from junk of 30 years old, it is very harmful, and there is no taste.
      1. 0
        26 September 2019 11: 47
        It seems to me that everything is somewhat different ... We are driven by a club of gloomy, cunning and very resourceful experts.
        1. +1
          26 September 2019 22: 31
          It is possible, but do not understand their banal plan?
          The guys ripped off the jeep and are now trying to save it .... nothing else comes to my mind.
          Well, I don’t see any creative state thought in them, except to devour power and loot with all my pores.
          In short, Orwell ... Animal Farm!
  16. +7
    25 September 2019 11: 13
    I would have looked at these ruling screeching pigs with a pension of 19,5 ty ... If we reduced the salaries of this high-ranking cattle to the average Russian salaries, I am sure that pensions would have gone up not by one or two thousand rubles to everyone. Moreover, the official income of the elite cannot be taken seriously, in reality they are many times higher.
    1. -7
      25 September 2019 13: 07
      Well, let’s raise pensions to all Russian pensioners, of whom 42 million, to a minimum of 24000 rubles - this is 12096000000000 billion rubles a year, about 7 trillion rubles are paid to the Pension Fund every year and the trillionth hole is closed from the budget - hence the question of where to get each year an additional 5 trillion rubles?
      1. +2
        25 September 2019 13: 53
        Too easy. Pensions from officials and civil servants, as well as former employees of all kinds of gases and promises, exceed the pension of the average Russian. So first you need to understand the deservingness of such high pensions and at the same time review the benefits of personal pensioners, labor veterans.
        1. -4
          25 September 2019 16: 27
          I didn’t hear a clear answer, high pensions in Russia receive a maximum of 100000 officials, the question remains the same - where to get 5 trillion from raising pensions?
          1. +4
            25 September 2019 23: 17
            There will be no clear answer.
            1. Progressive tax on the rich
            2. Block the outflow of capital to the west.
            3. Stop subsidizing natural monopolies at the expense of the state.
            4. Make these monopolies a purely unitary state.
            5. To give the opportunity to develop national enterprises.
            6. Filter out power and other pensioners, highlighting the actual employees from the cabinet, remove privileges from officials and other rabble.
            Etc. etc.
            We don’t find 7 but all 10!
            1. -3
              26 September 2019 13: 06
              1. "Progressive tax on the rich" - A side effect of this will inflate the cost of all goods and services by the same percentage that you tax them on - most of these wealthy producers.
              2 "Close the capital outflow to the west." How - foreign investors withdraw their net profit, taxes on this money have already been paid - what you are proposing is essentially a ban on the withdrawal of all money - and from this investment in the Russian economy will be zero - and for this a sharp decline in the economy, the guys will be curtailed all their activities and production and dump with them in other countries.
              "3 Stop subsidizing natural monopolies at the expense of the state." Which ones and how much did the state subsidize there?
              4. "Make these monopolies purely unitary state monopolies." -This process will be quite protracted and will not lead to anything other than collapse - the work will get up, and everything else will stand behind it, and for one it will pull all the subcontractors along with it.
              .5 "To enable the development of people's enterprises". What are these "people's" enterprises - which are not allowed to develop?
              6 "Filter out security and other pensioners, separating those who actually worked from the cabinet ones, remove privileges from officials and other rabble." If you can save 10 billion rubles, it's already good - only who will filter all this?
              "We will find all 7 here not 10!" - Judging by what you suggested here, the Russian economy will lose 20 trillion: unemployment will soar up to 30%, crime will soar by a similar percentage, prices will soar by 40% - or what kind of tax did you want to impose on the rich, the investment attractiveness of Russia will drop to 0, due to this will cut all budget expenditures to the maximum, including pensions. Macroeconomics is a rather complicated thing in it, there are many contradictions on this, it does not tolerate actions from the bay, but what you propose is precisely such actions.
              1. 0
                26 September 2019 21: 10
                The economy must be understood - hasty actions will lead to collapse.
              2. 0
                26 September 2019 22: 51
                1. Well, if the state is not able to keep the billionaires in good shape, then this is a bad state, which confirms my attitude to the rulers.
                2. Foreign investors piled up long ago, there were swindlers and speculators with "understandable" investments. And the loot is taken out by our crooks.
                3. The state is constantly pouring money into natural monopolies in the form of tax benefits. At the same time allowing them to accelerate inflation.
                4. There is such a form of enterprise, called national, where every employee is a shareholder. The government does not see and does not develop the legislative framework, it is simply afraid of competition.
                5. With this, the government will lose even more, therefore I am categorically against it.
                And the main question is the concept of development, which we do not have. Rather, there is an ugly form of integration into the global economy, which in itself is a collapse for us.
    2. +5
      26 September 2019 09: 22
      as the official has already said, that she doesn’t have to eat 3500 according to her status. And another said that they were the pride of the nation and they made themselves. Therefore, only by cars more than 2000000. Only at the state expense. You made yourself? Do it yourself car.
      Quote: Campanella
      I would have looked at these ruling screeching pigs with a pension of 19,5 ty ... If we reduced the salaries of this high-ranking cattle to the average Russian salaries, I am sure that pensions would have gone up not by one or two thousand rubles to everyone. Moreover, the official income of the elite cannot be taken seriously, in reality they are many times higher.
  17. -5
    25 September 2019 12: 28
    "That on the deposits of Russian companies (mainly oligarchs) there are as much as 28 trillion rubles as a dead weight, which for various reasons is unprofitable to invest in the economy." - I did not know that I was an oligarch - I also have a decent amount on bank deposits, but they do not just lie there - the bank uses this money, like all the other 28 trillion rubles, and where to invest it is everyone's business - no one can tell me that the same as the rest in this matter.
  18. +4
    25 September 2019 13: 11
    it’s just that these female dogs, especially the triple golikova, spit on us from the height of the government building and then they are surprised at the brutality of the common people in the revolution, it’s a pity that she doesn’t live until the USSR is restored (something like this is more fair than now) and only for her statements and stupid inaction harm the state -shot
    1. -4
      25 September 2019 16: 35
      No one will shoot them and no revolutions will take place, the USSR - collapsed 30 years ago, the same will not come back to it, since all 15 countries included in it now live on their own. You can only wait for new elections in 2024, and there will be a new president and a new government - time will tell how they will work.
  19. +4
    25 September 2019 14: 04
    I have read comments since. But. Misters economists know what a long-term contribution with the possibility of replenishment. I do not know for sure the PDA is now called this. Pension Fund. Breeeed. The usual contribution is enough.
    1. -4
      25 September 2019 16: 38
      Deposits you may lose the bank is blown away and hello. You can invest in oil and gas companies for the long term in precious metals - but waves of growth and fall will be everywhere and always.
      1. +1
        25 September 2019 16: 49
        So this must be done with the State Bank. The interest on the deposit should only slightly exceed inflation. And with a pension fund, this is not even funny. It looks wretched even for third world countries.
        On deposits it is possible but difficult. Tedious to understand. Optimum gold. But some kind of mentally retarded from the leadership came up with the idea of ​​selling gold to the population with VAT. This is no longer stupidity of a misunderstanding, but direct sabotage of the economy.
      2. +2
        25 September 2019 23: 19
        A PFR not blown away?))))
        1. -3
          26 September 2019 13: 08
          In the PFR, the state itself reports almost a trillion rubles - since far from all of us pay dues.
          1. +1
            26 September 2019 22: 55
            It’s insanity to create something that cannot work a priori and pour money into it. Isn’t it easier to create a pension bank with clear objectives and a transparent, state-controlled scheme of work?
            The state should not only build schemes, but also be the driver of the economy and not only through investment.
  20. +3
    25 September 2019 14: 17
    Why go far? Recently NPF "SAFMAR" has "lightened" pension savings of my friend by 20%. To the question "how so?" replied, "The company has suffered a loss, so don't blame it."
  21. -2
    25 September 2019 15: 17
    Eh, Podymov .... Well, they entertained themselves - and so what? After all, nothing is essentially in essence - one ....
  22. +3
    25 September 2019 21: 48
    Quote: svp67
    There are not enough "people" out of 350 inhabitants of Arkhangelsk.

    Yes, half of these probably went and stopped to listen. And in 10-15 minutes they will go further ...

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Podymov fucked up. My disability neighbor is generally 5 thousand. received a year ago, died. Yes, a pension in 19 and a half for happiness, few dear Russians receive.

    That's for sure. At the most 11500. I would not mind getting 8 pieces more. Oyuych increase in the province - 200-400 rubles (maximum). And no governor (or mayor) allowances

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Yeah, climbed into the mailbox, immediately a bunch of pieces of paper with pay there, I do not know where.

    As it happens. About a couple of weeks ago I received from the tax notice that I need to pay property tax. True, a year and a half ago in the same tax after filling out all the papers it was said that as a pensioner I do not pay this tax. The amount is really funny - two pieces of gold. Even 50 grams of unpretentious vodka in the eatery is not enough.
    But okay this. The second notice is in the same envelope. With all my requisites (TIN) to pay property tax already in the amount of almost 700 rubles for a house located in a village located 15 km from the city and 25 km from the place of residence. "Where is this street, where is this house" - no idea. I called the tax office with my problem, which arose out of nowhere. The answer to my problem is your details. Yes I say, my INN. Well, then everything is correct you have charged the tax. All attempts to explain that I have never been there and do not have any property in the village is broken up against the same answer. So I think, maybe I can pay this tax and go with the bailiffs to evict the owners, since they are making me pay laughing

    Quote: Sofievka
    The question is, who else has the radio point? I will continue, in Sevastopol, a radio-40rub graph appeared in a receipt with MSW. I was looking for an apartment, well, no, I had to go and find out and write a refusal

    For me, 7 years old, they put the payment for the total TV antenna in the column. Threatened punishments, that if I do not pay ... I had to take a copy of the statement about the refusal from the common antenna (I made it when I wrote the refusal) and poke them with a "muzzle". With the radio, everything went fine. After writing the refusal, they did not put anything in this column
  23. +2
    26 September 2019 11: 21
    Miserable handout? Are you kidding me? Somewhere in the outback in the Urals, this is not a miserable handout, but a completely normal level for a lone penny.
  24. +2
    26 September 2019 11: 28
    I agree with some points - PF "eat too much". I think it is possible to disperse it altogether and leave the appointment of a pension to any MFC. Well, that is, by default - auto-calculation, disagree, or paper certificates before the year 2000 - sign up for the recalculation procedure at the MFC. Reporting - to the Federal Tax Service, which has already partially taken over the reporting. However, it is not clear where to employ those 150+ thousand people. The effect of this will be temporary and will be partially offset by the costs of the transition period. So, people, think about it in advance, it would be nice to master additional professions or skills for retirement.
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      26 September 2019 13: 06
      I don’t count on retirement at all. Itself has already earned.
    2. -1
      26 September 2019 13: 10
      You can dissolve - that's just who will pay pensions.
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        27 September 2019 09: 35
        The payment agent may be the same FSS, this is not a problem, rather, a technical point. Well, that is, I don’t think that all these people there are accruing pensions from month to month. Rather, an initial calculation is done, and then on the machine, plus indexing. It will pay pensions, as now, Sberbank or Post.
  25. 0
    28 September 2019 01: 33
    Quote: Dead Day
    eh! I would have such a pension ... I would also become "zaputina" ... otherwise it is hard to live in the Urals at 12.

    Sorry!
    But it’s better to get 12t in the Urals and live harder than survive 19t in Moscow.
    How many have already said (and have not done anything) about the non-taxable VAT S / W (in China 37900 rubles)
    how many experiments were put on our people under the hypocritical name Pension reform, but the colonial government does not succeed in killing the People to the end.
    It is believed that the next reform - replacement / "addition" of the IPC is just a test of the pen, before the complete rejection of the insurance part of the pension, in favor of voluntary accumulation within GLP (A guaranteed retirement product, but already many decipher these three scary letters in another way- Гguaranteed Пcompelling ПIsets).
    Wait and see.
    Still, all the people need to forget about such a rudiment of the dying Soviet regime, such as a pension, and with the money saved, help to build cozy nests for the heads of state corporations (created by the way with the taxpayers' money):
    "The head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, is building two new houses in Barvikha near Moscow, the cost of which could reach 18 billion rubles."
    https://meduza.io/feature/2019/07/04/baza-rasskazala-o-stroitelstve-novogo-osobnyaka-sechina-predyduschiy-dom-iz-za-kotorogo-on-sudilsya-s-vedomostyami-glava-rosnefti-razrushil