The largest Russian plant is being built in the Amur Region

While representatives of the opposition forces are trying to inspire the public with the idea that nothing is being built in modern Russia and that everything is in a state of ruin, some YouTube channels cheerfully report constant achievements. The truth, as always, is in the middle. On the one hand, large factories are being built, on the other hand, they cannot find a change in the form of young engineers on existing ones.

Today we will consider a video that talks about the construction of the largest plant in our country.

This construction is going on in the Amur Region, not far from Blagoveshchensk - in the area of ​​the city of Svobodny. We are talking about the Amur gas processing plant, the cost of which will amount to 790 billion rubles. This enterprise should become one of the largest natural gas processing companies in the world. Design capacity - 42 billion cubic meters. m of natural gas per year.

Great hopes are laid on this plant, since it is considered as an important link in the implementation of future gas supplies to China through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. At the same time, the gasification of Siberia itself will be solved, which, in the presence of the "national treasure", will remain gasified by a small percentage.

Why was it decided to build a plant on the Power of Siberia gas pipeline? At what stage is the implementation of this project now? How will this construction affect the development of the Amur Region? The answers to these and other questions in the video:

Comments

[Svarog]

Building a gas processing plant for China ... Good? Probably good, for China it’s definitely good, the owners of the plant are also not bad .. And when will they start thinking about people? They build factories and pay a penny that they cannot find specialists ..

[figwam]

Quote: Svarog

And when will people start thinking about people?

The town is being built, jobs are being created, the regional budget will immediately increase by 2 times, gasification will increase. Is it bad?

[Svarog]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Svarog

And when will people start thinking about people?

The town is being built, jobs are being created, the regional budget will immediately increase by 2 times, gasification will increase. Is it bad?

Yes, it’s good, but it’s said there factories are being built, but they can’t find specialists because the low salaries are low .. Is it good when a manual of 4 lamas a day earns and a worker 20 tons a month?
And then, there would be a real benefit for the citizens of Russia from the development of a group of people of the "national property", otherwise they are not, pipes are being laid, while the retirement age is raised, and taxes are being levied on ordinary people, and those who receive 4 Lyama from taxes release .. because they were sanctioned.
I believe that it will be good when the public heritage will really belong to the people, when they will build machine-tool factories, electronics factories, pharmaceutical industry ... In general, everything that we so need and that we have to buy abroad ..

[Rostislav Bely]

If you pay 20 tons to the workers, then the plant can blow up ... so don't flood it (it's like in the fields - wages and fines are high, it's almost like working in a "zone" as a shift worker).
Engineers still need to be found, this is not a manager and urist)))

[Jager]

Engine ICE received 25 thousand locomotive diesel locomotive. He went to traffic cops for a salary 2 times higher.

[Rostislav Bely]

You can get even less - there would be a desire, so to speak, the collective farm is voluntary ... about ICE, I was reminded of the recent revocable company at UAZ by Patriot with automatic transmission)))
typed in a search engine engine engine

[Rostislav Bely]

he wanted to buy - a pre-order of 1,35 million rubles, changed his mind as soon as he saw a buy-in nameplate with Edition 1 behind and a crooked gas tank flap (there is no way to fix it without damaging the paintwork) - the result of effective management (they have cutbacks on enterprises)
Friends about my rash decision to buy turned around at the temple, recommended to buy a used mechanic from victims of "advertising" and modify it to a "tank" for pokatushki and fishing, throw in the village (crash test, broken neck at the driver, off-road car where there is busy traffic)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

And then, there would be real benefit for the citizens of Russia from the development by a group of persons of the "national heritage"

The plant is not "people's property" but "private property" so the owner will pay the salaries. Read the conclusions in the "Communist Manifesto". Authors: Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Year and place of first publication: 1848, UK

[Svarog]

Quote: tihonmarine

The plant is not "people's property" but "private property"

so about it

[Roman070280]

The plant is not "people's property"

But the money allocated for the construction was taken quite from the people ..))
And yes .. continuing to develop the theme .. The Power of Siberia is also not a public property .. Etc. ..)))

[hydrox]

Quote: tihonmarine

the salary will be paid by the landlord.

The owner of the salary may not pay, the law does not forbid him.
He simply says that the pr-in has become unprofitable and the plant will be closed by sending workers on UNPAID leave.
Today, more than ever, supporters of Russian oligarchism are giving battle to those who "drown" for the people, for social justice and for new laws on labor and wages - ratings are cut by hundreds of points!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: hydrox

Today, more than ever, supporters of Russian oligarchism are fighting those who "drown" for the people, for social justice.

You are right to minus already begun.

[Okolotochny]

This cry is called a song! Svarog, when will you stop crying? You and your camarilla (I will not list, you know yourself) shout that industry is dying, everything is lost. There is a factory, the cost is 790 BILLION RUB., So that you understand and familiar with more than 10 BILLION. DOLLAR. What's wrong? What plant will also work for export and earn currency? In the USSR, crude oil and non-refined gas were also sold for foreign currency, and FACTORS ARE PURCHASED FULL OF THE PLANTS FROM CAPITALISTS. We are building here ourselves, the main amount will remain in Russia. What's wrong?

[ghby]

Quote: Okolotochny

There is a factory, the cost is 790 BILLION RUB., So that you understand and familiar with more than 10 BILLION. DOLLAR. What's wrong? What plant will also work for export and earn currency? In the USSR, crude oil and non-refined gas were also sold for foreign currency, and CAPITALIS PLANTS WERE PURCHASED WHOLESALE FOR THIS Currency. We are building here ourselves, the main amount will remain in Russia. What's wrong?

The Chinese are dissatisfied with the plant ...))) I read somewhere that at the plant all useful gas will be removed from gas, and one gas in pure form will go to China without nishtyaks in its composition.

[hydrox]

There are NO nishtyaks in the gas, it contains 99% ONLY pure methane CH4.
But in associated gas from oil fields, yes, light oil fractions can be contained there, up to 50%, only their trapping is already the prerogative of oil synthesis - this gives a much greater surplus value and significantly higher profit.

[ghby]

Quote: hydrox

There are NO nishtyaks in the gas, it contains 99% ONLY pure methane CH4.

The Amur GPP will receive multicomponent gas from the Yakutsk and Irkutsk gas production centers via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. The enterprise will extract valuable components from natural gas for the gas chemical and other industries: helium, ethane, propane, butane, pentane-hexane fraction. The processed gas will be supplied to China.

[hydrox]

No need to replicate stupidity from the words of illiterates in petrochemical chemistry magazines.

[ghby]

Quote: hydrox

No need to replicate stupidity from the words of illiterates in petrochemical chemistry magazines.

read these nonsense on the Gazprom website, maybe something other than what I read https://www.gazprom.ru/projects/amur-gpp/

[hydrox]

I’m not such a sucker as to believe the press releases of Gazprom, which are compiled in the interests of tops, whose total salaries with premiums and dividends are equivalent to the salaries of tens of thousands of state employees.

[Vadim237]

"The Chinese are unhappy with the plant ...))) I read somewhere." - Probably on the information fence infa 100% honesty.

[hydrox]

And it’s NOT SO here that it is a raw material and on the world market the price is a penny, and the surplus value is insignificant, and it will not be enough even for a decent salary to people working at this plant. And the liberal part, who manage this production and even worse, live in Landon and have their share in the shares, still grab the bulk of it.
The usual colonial exhaustion of money from Russia.

[vlad106]

Quote: Okolotochny

FACTORIES AT THE CAPITALISTS WE PURCHASED WHOLE. We are building here ourselves, the main amount will remain in Russia. What's wrong?

factories tens of thousands destroyed and stolen. and here is one factory ...
you need to build thousands in a year to get closer to the capacities that were in Soviet times

[hydrox]

Quote: Okolotochny

the main amount will remain in Russia. What's wrong?

And IN WHOSE disposal and possession will this BASIC amount be?
In the possession of parasites!
They will also dispose of a percentage of this amount and hide them in offshore from paying taxes to the budget of Russia - and hence the poverty of education, health care and other social services ...
And in order to better understand what I am writing, look how the liberda minus me - understanding of the people of the parasitic Liberdian essence is worse for them than the sickle in the causal place.

[Alien From]

I agree with you, only professionals today, they are no longer capable of pressing more than a button ...... this is personnel hunger! Unfortunately.........

[Vadim237]

And you know there are a lot of buttons and all of them must be pressed in certain orders and under certain conditions - and for this, good brains are needed.

[Forgiven]

I doubt that the salary in Siberia will be around 20 thousand, no one will go there. We will wait until the end of construction, but we'll see. In addition, now more than 20 thousand workers are working on a construction site, is that bad?

[Satanator]

only most of these 20 thousand workers are unlikely Russians

[hydrox]

And no one goes there, only Aborigines work, and the owners believe that from 20 sput. they will not die, but they will not leave anywhere.

[aybolyt678]

I thought there was a factory! and there is a kind of pipe .... or a mechanism for driving gas into a pipe !!! What is the technology there? Where is the import substitution?

[hydrox]

And what kind of import substitution can be on export? There can only be colonial looting.
The military-industrial complex now stands for import substitution, and at the same time the driver of the Russian economy, the line of products for more than 6 years and about $ 100 billion (this is half of the annual Russian GDP !!).
But Russia does not have money to build factories for the production of high-tech products using modern technologies, and the oligarchs can’t be trusted in this way, because they will privatize, plunder and sell, and money will be driven offshore - and Russia will remain without factories, and without jobs, and without money .

[Victor Orthodox]

What a 20000 salary. Gas workers at Gazprom receive 70-80000 rubles, simple hard workers, a gazelle driver 80000

[Vladimir61]

All right! I’d just like to hear not declarations,

At the same time, the task of gasification of Siberia itself will be solved, which in the presence of "national heritage" continues to be gasified by a small percentage

and the real state plans - "Give gasification of the whole country."

[Svarog]

Quote: Vladimir61

and the real state plans - "Give gasification of the whole country."

Of course they will, they will ask for connection from a villager 60 tons and they will .. provided, of course, that the highway will not go far .. The capitalist does not need the impoverished population, China is interesting to them .. But it’s expensive to spend its gas .. it doesn’t pay off, pensioners cannot connection pay ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: Svarog

it’s expensive to carry out their gas .. it doesn’t pay off, pensioners cannot pay for the connection ..

It looks especially juicy next to this comment of yours:

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Vladimir16

Are you suffering
Don't you like Russian cheese?

No, I do not suffer, but the taste of our dor-blue is significantly worse

As they say - no comments

[Svarog]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: Svarog

it’s expensive to carry out their gas .. it doesn’t pay off, pensioners cannot pay for the connection ..

It looks especially juicy next to this comment of yours:

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Vladimir16

Are you suffering
Don't you like Russian cheese?

No, I do not suffer, but the taste of our dor-blue is significantly worse

As they say - no comments

So would comment .. what are shy? Or is it surprising that I add and take care of a villager? So I have all the relatives from the village, and I don’t know my life by hearsay. They bake only those like you about their soft spot, they don’t understand how a person can think not only about himself .. because we completely demoralized our conscience ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: Svarog

I’m dying and eating about a villager

In the morning I smear a sandwich -
Immediately thought: What about the people?

Quote: Svarog

Those like you only bake about their soft spot ...

Well, why go so wide ... still tear that inadvertently ...

I have someone to take care of, Svarog. And this is not an abstract "people" for which you are fighting a throat here (why "people", by the way, is neither hot nor cold), but completely specific people, or

Quote: Svarog

we democratized conscience completely

Oh, already the zaikamsta started, poor thing ... do not be sad - well, it is not enough to catch stars today - so tomorrow there will be a new day ... "Svarog"

[Ka-52]

I’m dying and eating about a villager

In the morning I smear a sandwich -
Immediately thought: What about the people?

sitting on the couch for a bottle of beer and dor-blue cheese for a snack, it always comes to thought - but how is it, in the woodland, now I’m a simple living man? The poor are plowing and reaping like your life packs hiruvima .... I’ll probably sprinkle a couple dozen comments on VO to help

[AU Ivanov.]

Do you dig a well too for free? Or, after all, is the work of money worth it?

[Dimonk]

Agree Our gas pipeline in Vlad was also held for the summit. So what? In addition to being powered by Tets-1,2 and Tets on the Russian island. Nothing else Five years have passed One balobolstvo from power Neither gasification of the rest of Tets, nor even settlements At the same time, they plan to build another Tez on coal near Artem, in addition to the old But on TV we are zombified "Power of Siberia" is a national treasure But for whom? For the Chinese ??? Yes But not for the Russians

[balunn]

About 5 years ago I went to boiler rooms in Russian ... well, not those who were at the summit, but those that were far away ... so everyone drowned with coal.

[Nycomed]

In the oil and gas region - Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug all electric stoves are electric. As commanded by the Communists, it continues.

[Rostislav Bely]

there is a restriction on the gasification of apartment buildings in terms of number of storeys - there are also electric stoves in the "dovecotes" in Moscow, I remember in Vladimir twenty years ago they built multi-storey buildings with autonomous boiler houses (attic) - more economical, but hits the monopolist (CHP)
I remember before there was a thermal power plant on coal, so under the "communists" the ash was "disposed of" on the roads in winter instead of sand from ice, I remember the allergy after the snow melted and the greenery did not appear ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: DimonK

But on TV we are zombified "Power of Siberia" is a national treasure

And here I will repeat, "Power of Siberia" is not a national property, but a private enterprise. There is no public property with the advent of private property. I think you haven't forgotten the history of the last 30 years.

[Rostislav Bely]

PJSC Gazprom is a Russian multinational energy company, over 50% of the shares of which are owned by the state. With oil, we have 80% and 20% of gas revenues from the budget from exports ...

[bar]

National treasure is gas, which is the power of Siberia. And the enterprise of the same name is just a commercial enterprise for the distillation of this force to China with dubious benefits for Russia. So far, the beneficiary of this project is only Stroygazmontazh with its owner Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg.

[Vadim237]

You are dissatisfied with something - your own huge production of nitrogen, argon, helium, propane and other gases in the hundreds of thousands and millions of cubic meters - in the USSR they produced only a few thousand tons of these gases, jobs transport infrastructure and much more, and most importantly significant taxes to the local budget as well as federal.

[bar]

I am happy for helium and nitrogen. Glad for local taxes. But this is reminiscent of cleaning from the kitchen, despite the fact that others will eat potatoes. As for jobs, transport infrastructure and much more, you probably have little idea of ​​the specifics of chemical plants. From the transport infrastructure there will be only pipelines, jobs will be scanty, and from everything else - smelly smoky emissions. Personally, I regularly observe this in my city, where such a sibur chemical plant with 1 employees, practically giving nothing to the budget, regularly poisons almost a million people

[hydrox]

In the Far East, these gases in FIG are not needed by anyone in such quantities (yes there will not be so many of them, everything will go to the candle!), And no one will bring them to the west - it is unprofitable.
Hundreds of jobs and NO infrastructure - why stoke?
And where are the taxes from the local budget, if the PAO is registered in the M-ve?
Have a conscience in propagating the oligarchy!

[Vadim237]

When did you start working in the Ministry of Industry and Trade - what would make such loud statements "In the Far East these gases in figs are not needed by anyone" "And no one will carry them to the West - it is not profitable." - It's ingenious, that is, neither helium, argon, nor propane and other gases are not needed in Russia and they are not needed in the world - it is expensive to transport, the rationale is superb, especially from a person who, apparently, has no relationship whatsoever to industry or transportation does not have any trade.

[hydrox]

No need to lie, the general of divan sciences with a secondary education, who studied in liberal waste paper: you even have vocabulary - and that is sloppy.

[Vadim237]

But this is not necessary - leave your conclusions about me to yourself - for you I have finished MAI and in industry I have been spinning like an accessory for the past 13 years. And where are you spinning - they already gave me the answer, at the garbage dump.

[hydrox]

Here is less at the garbage dump with homeless people thump, respectively, will be less stupid to carry in.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Vadim237

But this is not necessary - leave your conclusions about me to yourself - for you I have finished MAI and in industry I have been spinning like an accessory for the past 13 years. And where are you spinning - they already gave me the answer, at the garbage dump.

The most interesting thing is that these people immediately write people like us into the liberals.))) They clearly do not even know the meaning of the word "liberal".

[aybolyt678]

sell our homeland ....

[4ybys]

Tell me, what is cheaper to heat with coal or gas?

[Vadim237]

Probably all the same with coal - since the gas connection will cost from 400000 to 5200000 rubles.

[_Sergei_]

Connection costs from 30 thousand to 50. Coal is cheaper, but after coal ash, which must be disposed of. Gas boilers are automated. He lit in the fall and before spring. And the stove, even long burning, must be watched.

[bk316]

it will cost from 400000 to 5200000 rubles.

toe clean one

[Vadim237]

Why - it takes place to be in reality - in what turn at one of the companies.

[bk316]

Tell me, what is cheaper to heat with coal or gas?

it depends on who drowning a private trader or city and where to drown in Astrakhan or in Tver
for yourself in the middle lane per circle cheaper with gas

[4ybys]

I meant the Far East, where coal-fired power plants are being built, and the people in this forum are worried that they are being drowned with coal and not gas.

[Vadim237]

There are tens of billions of tons of coal in Russia - but the coal industry is beginning to bend, so that would be supported and implemented in the Far East and Siberia by coal power plants and state district power plants.

[hydrox]

The answer is simple, as everything ingenious: gas goes from underground, builds a state pipe for a Chinese loan, profits from construction go to Rotenberg (therefore, it’s more expensive to save on construction), Ketais will get gas at cost (the price is justified before the start pages), tops of Gazprom will find a pocket for profit, but few people need coal.
Therefore, in order not to gas the blue sky of Russia, we will be drowned with coal, we will acidify rains and rivers, we will reward Russian citizens with asthma, the CabMin will continue to save on medicines, and again we will sell electric power for 1-50 to Ketais.
What's wrong?

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

What's wrong?

In short - it's not like that:

Quote: hydrox

gas itself from the ground goes

Already good. Direct to your apartment? Share know-how

Quote: hydrox

Ketays will receive gas at cost

Did you hold the contract in your hands? Drop the scan, it's interesting to read ...

Quote: hydrox

and we will sell electric power on 1-50 again to Ketayans

Where are the 1-50 firewoods from? From the vastness of the Internet, go?

You yourself eat carrion, and you try to feed her others, buddy ... tie

[hydrox]

I didn’t expect from you a liberalistic mess!
Sorry, I had a better opinion of you: either you have a general's pension with combat seniority, or buns are served to you not from the salary, but "line by line" ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: hydrox

I didn’t expect liberal pachkotney from you

Your opinion of me does not interest me at all.

I asked a couple of questions there, I would like answers, specific ... or all blah blah blah?

[hydrox]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Your opinion of me does not interest me at all.

Well, if you are so, then I wanted to spit on your questions.
Point

[bar]

The cheapest is wood. And the green ones approve of it, like renewable energy. In England, power plants are very popular.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bar

The cheapest is wood.

Not with firewood, but with a fallen tree, which you can grab from the forest on your hands. Sawing is fine, however.

[Rostislav Bely]

now on the eastern landfill railway capacity for deliveries of coal overseas and etc. is increasing
they are most likely waiting for the development of a resource for turbines, and Siemens wants to squeeze turbines out of the market, especially after Opal - this is an expensive pleasure at the initial stage ... gasification, gasification using gas holders (liquefied gas) were not considered for the village and attic boiler rooms for multi-unit houses (cheaper than connecting to a thermal power station - ???, if existing - re-equipment is more expensive, but cheaper to operate)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir61

and real state plans - "Give gasification of the whole country"

The slogan is good, but outdated by 30 years, because the slogan is for the people, but not for the "private owner".

[hydrox]

Gosplany for liberda - the construction of the high-speed rail: there from each km you can get $ 1 million worth of clean-cut. remove and immediately drive offshore ...

[WIKI]

Quote: figvam

gasification will increase

If you were thinking about the gasification of your own territory, then the plant should have been built near the field, and the already purified gas should be driven through the pipe. Then the population would go along with something. And Blagoveshchensk, this is the entrance to China.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: WIKI

And Blagoveshchensk, this is the entrance to China.

"Private property" as they say in the Caucasus "My donkey, I want food, I want to stand." So here, "I want to run a pipe to China, I want ... where I get more money." Under the USSR and

thought about the gasification of their own territory, then the plant had to be built near the field

[Vadim237]

"If we were thinking about gasification of our own territory" This question should have been asked to the leadership of the USSR in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

[Nycomed]

So it (the gas pipeline) is being built for China. There is just one thing that is not entirely clear to me: why are the Power of Siberia advertised on our TV? Does Gazprom have such a "laundry"?

[YOUR]

It is built by 25 thousand foreigners, mostly Tajiks. And so a complete international, the locals take the maximum of guards and drivers. They are building a town for visitors, a lot of things are being built for them, the kindergarten "Alenka" of the locals was thrown out, rebuilt according to the last word for the visitors of Gazprom, the Officers' House was destroyed, the park around it was closed, and there will be a school for visitors. Roads are being repaired at an accelerated pace, but in reality they are being rebuilt only in those places where visiting Gazprom workers will live. So what's good?
And here it is
https://2x2.su/society/news/iz-za-stroitelstva-gpz-v-svobodnenskom-rayone-post-150200.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
recently
https://asn24.ru/news/crime/67726/
But what the media are silent about is the still quiet riot of foreign workers. According to the official version, they weren’t served buses at the time and they went on foot to the places of rest
https://www.gzt-sv.ru/news/126694-sotni-rabochih-amurskogo-gpz-otpravilis
Not funny. Buses bring them and remain in place, waiting. Local put it mildly in the pants. If this mass rushes into the city.

[Vadim237]

Photos show - that this refinery is mainly built by Tajiks.

[YOUR]

Is it difficult to go to the indicated addresses?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: figvam

jobs are being created

We have the largest LNG plant in the world - 10 million tons of LNG and about 5 million tons of oil go abroad per year! Only we didn’t get better from this. And the factory has only forty jobs, Russians. And the crews of the four tugs serving the tanker and gas carriers. Come, see, compare with the UAE!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Come, see, compare with the UAE!

In Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, if a citizen wants to study abroad, then the state pays for it, and even a round trip. In many capitalist countries, citizens have special accounts for crediting money from the sale of resources ... And these are already elements of socialism! Who are they holding us for ????

[Vadim237]

You tie up with these idiotic comparisons of the Elephant with the pug - Russia with the UAE and other countries - and throwing away everything: history, population, ideology, climatic conditions, economic features, territorial areas and expenses for all this.

[MKPU-115]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Svarog

And when will people start thinking about people?

The town is being built, jobs are being created, the regional budget will immediately increase by 2 times, gasification will increase. Is it bad?

Jobs for 20 rubles? Eo is not workers but SLAVES, to eat, so as not to die of hunger. They cannot find specialists, because salaries are at the level of a living wage.

[Berkut752]

"jobs are being created" is not a rhetorical question, WHERE TO TAKE THE STAFF, which decide everything.

[jetfors_84]

It’s bad that taxes do not flow to the region but to St. Petersburg, where the center of Gazprom is.
In Astrakhan, the same thing. The region is helped in a quality of condescension so.

[bar]

The jobs in such plants are usually scanty.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Svarog

And when will people start thinking about people?

Who is not too lazy - pour already Svarog asterisks, maybe calm down at last ...

Svarog, you’re definitely not Gridasov’s brother?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Cat Man Null

definitely not Gridasov’s brother?

Excluded. Gridasov from the opposite camp. A couple of times it was still possible to pull him into a more or less adequate dialogue, though not for long.

[WILL]

Quote: Svarog

Building a gas processing plant for China ... Good? Probably good, for China it’s definitely good, the owners of the plant are also not bad .. And when will they start thinking about people? They build factories and pay a penny that they cannot find specialists ..

Have you ever watched the video before commenting? Apparently not!
The factory will create VALUE ADDED PRODUCTS! Which will whip up our chemical production! New jobs are being created! Housing is being built - For Workers. The budget of the region is increasing sharply ... and this is the salaries of state employees and social programs and Regional allowances ... General improvement of infrastructure!

[Russia]

Alex, welcome buddy This Svarog broadcasts from Tatarstan, where they pour in, to the envy of all regions, supposedly a "pretty penny", but this cuckoo sits in the nest, has a large beak, but does not get into his mouth, does not adjust to the protest stream.

[WILL]

Greetings Vitaliy! This is exactly the case when a comment is written on the one seen word “China”.
Good Factory, We built in 240 km from Tyumen (in Tobolsk). No vacancies. People work and get a decent salary, and the city cheered up!

[Sergey1987]

Quote: ANIMAL

Just that case - when a comment is written on one word that has been seen, "China"

And here in VO there are many such whiners. All of them are wrong, all of them are wrong. What is not done is all bad. If the state would just give out the money just like that, they would still find a negative in this. And they have the same mantras.

[AU Ivanov.]

Everyone owes them all in life. This is the sweet word "freebie".

[AnderS]

Everyone owes them all in life. This is the sweet word "freebie".

Can you tell me that Sechin receives a "salary" of either 2 or 4 million a day, I don’t remember exactly what to call it? Manna from heaven?

[AU Ivanov.]

And how much do you think the head of a large corporation should earn? Taxpayer number one? Personally, for me, he should sit on a percentage of the profit. And envy, please, silently.

[AnderS]

And how much do you think the head of a large corporation should earn? Taxpayer number one? Personally, for me, he should sit on a percentage of the profit. And envy, please, silently.

Why envy that? The fact that Sechin and Miller receive their salaries is absolutely unjustified? But what about the state of affairs in the USA? Maybe instead of Miller and Sechin, look for someone cheaper, like Tim Cook?

judging by the profits of companies managed by these characters from Tim Cook, the sense is many times more, with a lower salary ...

[Vadim237]

You know that they receive salaries very justifiably, since they are the heads of one of the largest state-owned companies in the world and pay them this money not from our taxes, but from profits, from exports and shares — how much they earned and received, the turnover from Rosneft is more 9 trillion this year will be with a net profit of more than 600 billion rubles, Gazprom has a turnover of more than 6 trillion rubles and net profit of more than a trillion rubles.

[vic02]

Subsoil of Russia under the Constitution is the property of the people, not Sechin, Miller and the like. So it is unjustified.

[Vadim237]

But to the people, to everyone - from their activities every year 1,5 trillion taxes go to the budget of Russia.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

Subsoil of Russia under the Constitution is the property of the people, not Sechin, Miller and the like. So it is unjustified.

And what does Gazprom belong to Miller and Rosneft to Sechin?

[Vadim237]

No - but they control them.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Vadim237

No - but they control them.

I am aware of Vadim, just try to explain this to some fellow critics on this site. They do not tire of singing the same song that Gazprom, Sberbank and Rosneft are not state-owned, as if the state does not have a controlling stake in it. Strange situation. In Lenovo, 32% of the shares belong to the state, some to various investors including investors from the USA, but no one shouts in China that Lenovo is under US control. Same situation with ZTE. But with persistence, some people continue to sing a song about control from behind a hill. Especially about Rusal. There, the Americans have not a single percent of the shares, but people like Victor say that Rusal is under the control of the United States.

[vic02]

receive salaries is very justified

Suddenly, lawyers emerged from the leadership of oil companies.

people, everyone - from their activities every year 1,5 trillion taxes go to the budget of Russia.

No need to tell tales and engage in the substitution of concepts. Not from the activities of the leaders of oil companies, but from the exploitation of natural resources belonging to the whole country and people. Set Sechin or Miller to lead Roskosmos or Rusnano, the result would not differ from the results of Rogozin or Chubais.

[Vadim237]

And with the exploitation of natural resources belonging to the whole country and people. And you don’t know what to get something from natural resources - you need to invest money in the development of registration and registration in mining equipment to hire workers to build facilities for mining transportation, storage, processing and sale and paying taxes on everything - all this is done and business will not be sold by top managers, but rather, they confirm and sign the agreement between the heads of the companies Sechin and Miller.

[vic02]

Do you understand that investing is different? For some reason, the gentlemen did not invest in the development of technologies and the production of electronics or in the development and production of aircraft engines. There would be their profit and the ability to skim the cream would be slightly different.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

For some reason, the gentlemen did not invest in the development of technologies and the production of electronics or in the development and production of aircraft engines.

What gentlemen? Sechin and Miller? Are they the heads of venture capital funds? Let’s not you talk nonsense. In Russia, there are many companies specializing in electronics and they invest in their own areas. And top managers of state corporations can invest their own funds wherever they want.

[vic02]

Sergey, when the exorbitant income of our oligarchy will be based on the results of high-tech industrial production, as in the USA or Europe, and not on the exploitation of the country's natural resources, as in Saudi Arabia, then write.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

Sergey, when the exorbitant income of our oligarchy will be based on the results of high-tech industrial production, as in the USA or Europe, and not on the exploitation of the country's natural resources, as in Saudi Arabia, then write.

OK. Writing. Yevtushenkov, Volozh, Tkachenko, Mazepin, Kim, Fridman, Kuzmichev, Khan and a bunch of others. Many, such as Vekselberg and Usmanov, invest money.

[vic02]

The gradual degradation of science and education, the destruction of our own research institutes, the loss of technology and personnel in our country is a direct result of the "successful" investments of money by the gentlemen you have listed. The state of the aircraft industry is an example. Let me give you a fresh example: Severstal by Alexei Mordashov invested $ 6 million in the American company Arcanum Alloys, which develops innovative materials based on steel, Severstal reported on Tuesday, September 17th. https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/09/17/811438-severstal I.e. again, all technological equipment will be purchased instead of our own development and production. So the activities of these gentlemen are a direct loss to the country and the people.
And of course there is no way to ignore their partners in the government and banks.
https://vpk.name/news/310606_stopmenedzheryi.html

[Vadim237]

Even if they want to go there and invest - their funds, Russian Materials Science is also developing alloys together with scientists from Germany and other countries. “Gradual degradation of science and education, destruction of our own research institutes, loss of technology” - How exactly is it degrading and which research institutes have been closed over the past 6 years?

[hydrox]

These are not their personal funds: these are funds stolen from the people through privatization and secured auctions.

[Vadim237]

Evidence of the stolen, when, who, from whom - in details and with documents where there are signatures and stamps - the courts will not accept information like OBS.

[hydrox]

Yes, throw liberal liberals!
The pool will not care: what evidence and how much.
Whoever needs it has already collected the dossier.

[Vadim237]

And I doubt very much who will fire these bullets. "We are sharp on the tongue" - But in fact, zero without a stick - offended at all, I saw a lot of them. You look as if this bullet does not come to you - it will not care about you - the exchange will be equilateral.

[hydrox]

Again, go to the individual and even threaten the sucker miserable?
Well, if there are not enough letters, read more or something, but not comics, but the classics (I understand that Dostoevsky or the theory of relativity is not for everyone, but at least you need to master the fairy tale about the Golden Fish)

[vic02]

Build a simpleton from yourself? That's your business. Since the beginning of the 90s, half of the able-bodied population of the electronics center of Zelenograd went to work in Moscow, (why would it be if everything works?). By 2019, the NRC Khrunichev bankrupt with debts of 130 billion rubles (and this is with considerable demand for missile launches and the development of outer space in the world). At the end of June 2019, it became known that on the site of the GKNPC them. Khrunichev will be built a business center. Here is another example https://ru-abandoned.livejournal.com/1379863.html

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

Since the beginning of the 90s, half of the able-bodied population of the electronics center of Zelenograd went to work in Moscow, (why would it be if everything works?).

Have you conducted a survey of the entire population of Zelenograd? I doubt it very much. Moreover, such enterprises as Angstrom, Mikron, Elion, NT-MDT and a dozen others, both worked and are working. And note that they all work in microelectronics. And the population of Zelenograd is only increasing. Before you compose, at least read something.

Quote: vic02

By 2019, the NRC Khrunichev bankrupt with debts of 130 billion rubles (and this is with considerable demand for missile launches and the development of outer space in the world).

Again, you did not understand the situation. At one time, many factories employed in the military-industrial complex worked at a loss and they were transferred to Rostec. There, in cooperation with each other, they give a result. Therefore, Rostec has a net profit of $ 2 billion. The same situation is with the Khrunichev RPC. He is at a loss, but Roscosmos in profit.

Quote: vic02

At the end of June 2019, it became known that on the site of the GKNPC them. Khrunichev will be built a business center.

On the site of the Center. Khrunichev will be built high-altitude "National Space Center". The money for the construction will be allocated by the Moscow government; in exchange, Roscosmos will transfer to the city the territory of a number of Moscow state corporation enterprises - in particular, the same Khrunichev Center. The National Space Center is due to start operating in 2022. About 20 thousand employees of various state corporation enterprises from Moscow and the region will move to the skyscraper building.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

Gradual degradation of science and education,

Again this mantra. So education has degraded that our schoolchildren of the Olympiad all win.

Quote: vic02

destruction of own research institutes

Give an example?

Quote: vic02

loss of technology and personnel in our country

Hackneyed mantras alone. If you are being trained or taught somewhere, you need to change your repertoire at least. Technology is not a pencil that you can lose.

Quote: vic02

there is a direct result of the "successful" investments of the gentlemen you listed

Do you even know who these gentlemen are and what they do.? This is what Yevtushenkov did not please you with? The fact that his company is engaged in the production of microelectronics and software? Or Volozh is guilty of what Yandex created? Or Tkachenko, who is also engaged in the production of telecommunication equipment and microelectronics? Kim, what is microprocessors developing?

Quote: vic02

Aircraft State - An Example

Are we having problems with the aircraft industry? And you can name a lot of countries that alone can create civilian and military aircraft?

Quote: vic02

Let me give you a concrete fresh example: Severstal Alexei Mordashov invested $ 6 million in the American company Arcanum Alloys, which develops innovative materials based on steel

So what? Any businessman has the right to invest wherever he wants. I can also give an example.
In the fall of 2017, the owner of the Renova holding, Viktor Vekselberg, invested about 6 billion rubles. in the Internet of things and become one of the leaders in the development and implementation of the Internet of things and artificial intelligence. Today, Tsifra has connected to IoT Russia's largest industrial equipment fleet - more than 8000 machines.

Quote: vic02

again, all technological equipment will be purchased instead of its own development and production.

Why did you get this if Arcanum Alloys is engaged in steelmaking technology rather than equipment manufacturing ?!

Quote: vic02

https://vpk.name/news/310606_stopmenedzheryi.html

Article is an ordinary dummy. Piece of art. No numbers, no facts.

[vic02]

The article is an ordinary dummy. Piece of art

Yes, professor, of course, mug, only knowledge and experience with him, as well as with the late academician and Nobel laureate Alferov, and with academician and aircraft designer Novozhilov, among others who signed a letter to Putin urging to stop the reform of the RAS leading to its transformation into a meaningless interest club. And other scientists and engineers working in the USA and the EU, of course, are also burdocks. I have given concrete examples with the destruction of institutions here, you will find yourself.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: vic02

Yes, yes, professor, of course burdock, only knowledge and experience with him

Technically, they left the answer and switched to the RAS.))))) About Evtushenkov, Volozh, won the Olympics, aircraft manufacturing and Vekselberg’s investments, you can’t answer.

Quote: vic02

Nobel laureate Alferov, and under the academician and aircraft designer Novozhilov, among others who signed a letter to Putin urging to stop the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences

Have you read it? It seems not. On September 27, 2013, Law No. 253-ФЗ “On the Russian Academy of Sciences, the reorganization of state academies of sciences, ...” was adopted, according to which the RAS expanded to include medical and agricultural departments, and RAS institutions were transferred to the FANO (after the dissolution of the latter in May 2018 - under the authority of the Ministry of Science and Higher Education).

[Vadim237]

Gazprom and Rosneft are already investing so well in engineering as well as health centers throughout the country - and they are investing the same in production technology, and investing in electronics is not their line of business, others are doing it: Angstrom, Mikron, Schwabe, KRET, Rostec, Roselectronics, Rosatom, Sitronics and others.

[hydrox]

Piled everything in a heap ...
Did Chubais tell you such a presentation of the material?

[Vadim237]

No, you just dumped the whole heap. "For some reason, the gentlemen did not invest in the development of technology and the production of electronics or in the development and production of aircraft engines." But Gazprom invested in the development and production of gas turbine generators. And the aircraft engines are handled by UEC and Rostec - not Gazprom, and even more so Rosneft. Everyone should do their own thing, otherwise there will be no point anywhere.

[hydrox]

Yes, but only what does the liberd have to do with this activity?

[hydrox]

But you have not forgotten that these companies are pumped up with state money, but, oo, OUR, popular. And the profit from these funds is also our PEOPLE?

[Vadim237]

These companies sell oil and gas abroad and the money is not small - the turnover of both companies is 15 trillion rubles, and these companies are state-owned. These companies mainly invest in buying shares - here you buy shares of these companies will give you dividends on profits. Otherwise, from what kind of reprimand should someone pay you for free? You refer to: exploration, production, storage, processing, transportation, sale of all these resources, if not, then there is no court.

[hydrox]

The court will not wait too long, otherwise the economy will not withstand the size of theft.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

The court will not wait too long, otherwise the economy will not withstand the size of theft.

Kindergarten. Especially about the economy that can not withstand theft. You seem to understand economics just like I do in ballet.

[hydrox]

I don’t go to ballets that you solo in a wheelchair: I'm sorry for the bird

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

I don’t go to ballets that you solo in a wheelchair: I'm sorry for the bird

You seem to need a doctor and urgently.

[hydrox]

Why is this, I’m not at all going to become rude, like one step.
Give a handkerchief, or will you still slip in your own oplih, young man?

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

Why is this, I’m not at all going to become rude, like one step.

Can heal and stop nonsense from a set of words to write.

Quote: hydrox

Give a handkerchief, or will you still slip in your own oplih, young man?

They smiled. I think you critics-whiners need a scarf more.)))))

[hydrox]

I’m not discussing the issues of state feeders for liberds: no people have determined Miller’s money content of 5 million rubles / day — well, stolen.
For details google.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

And you did not forget that these companies are pumped up with state money

These companies do not have a small net profit, they fill the budget, and do not take money from the budget.

[hydrox]

For those on the armor, I already wrote in chalk: "The profit of the Civil Code must be nationalized," and accordingly, it must be controlled by the people, and not by the liber thieves.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

For those on the armor, I already wrote in chalk: "The profit of the Civil Code must be nationalized," and accordingly, it must be controlled by the people, and not by the liber thieves.

For those who do not want and cannot read, I repeat. The profit of the state corporation belongs to the state, in the person of the Federal Property Management Agency. The board of directors decides where to send it. For example, part of the development of the corporation, part of the Federal Property Management Agency. And what does it mean to be controlled by the people? Hold a referendum every year on what to spend on Rostec or Rosatom? In what normal country is this done? And at least read who the liberals are.

[hydrox]

And the liberals are such a dirty trick that they brought Russia to its present state, followed only by collapse: and they did not have to live long with a very small choice: console or emigration - can you even imagine how many weapons are in store for you and will be used with pleasure!

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

And the liberals are such a dirty trick that they brought Russia to its present state, followed only by collapse: and they didn’t have to live long with a very small choice: console or emigration - can you even imagine how many weapons are in store for you and will be used with pleasure!

The first one. I am not a liberal, but a conservative.
The second one. Most liberals of the 90s are not liberals, but traitors.
The third. The current state of the Russian Federation is the 6th economy of the world, with a very good standard of living, to which 70%, if not more, of the world's population can only be envied. And it was the current government that kept the country from collapse in the early 00s.
Fourth. If you have an unregistered weapon, then I hope the law enforcement agencies will take care of you.
Fifth. Of course, it’s funny for me to read sofa warriors, many of whom, unlike me, not only didn’t smell gunpowder, they never held the barrel in their hands. You think with your own head, for a start, what a huge number of people will rise in order not to let people like you plunge the country into another revolution.

[AU Ivanov.]

Read the Constitution carefully: there is no such thing there - the property of the people.

[vic02]

there is no such thing - the property of the people

In addition to the ability to read letters, it would be nice for every person to learn to understand the meaning of these letters
Commentary on Art. 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation: 1. Part one of the commented article is intended to emphasize the importance of natural resources as the heritage of the whole society. ... As for economic reasons, unlike most other objects of the material world, natural resources were not created by human labor, and therefore the possibility of finding them in the ownership of specific individuals has always been questioned. ... since natural resources are exhaustible, the exploitation of their deposits should take into account the interests of future generations.
http://konstrf.ru/9

[Vadim237]

Anything deeper than 30 meters belongs to the state - "Natural resources are not created by human labor, and therefore the possibility of finding them in the ownership of specific individuals has always been questioned." But natural resources are obtained by human labor, groups of people - who invest money in this and pay taxes from this production and sale - simultaneously developing, again, at their own expense or borrowed money, production. So natural resources belong to those who are engaged in their development, extraction and sale - all the rest by.

[vic02]

But natural resources are extracted by human labor, groups of people - who invest money in it and pay taxes from this extraction and sale - simultaneously developing, at their own expense or borrowed funds, production

Already answered. In addition, I will say that the initial investments of these gentlemen were generally minimal, the entire perfectly functioning system came from the USSR as a result of privatization, and my opinion is absolutely predatory.

[Vadim237]

"What other investments are these gentlemen" - their state put them in the management of Rosneft and Gazprom - to manage and develop companies and look for new sales markets, as well as attract investors - and they do it very well, 30 years have passed since the USSR - most of the equipment changed and began to implement new gas pumping stations at oil refineries storage pipelines rocking valves valves with electronic control everything related to oil and gas production processing and storage, Gazprom began production of LNG on a large scale Baltic LNG, Yamal LNG in 2024, Arctic LNG will be added to nm, Rosneft built a Star on which to build supertankers and gas carriers and other ships - why is it not an investment?

[hydrox]

Billion-dollar assets are given to these gentlemen for feeding - this is one of the steps that form the rental bourgeoisie: it is almost the same as the financial bourgeoisie, but financiers feed from the stolen money, and managers of state-owned companies feed from the stolen assets

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

Billion-dollar assets are given to these gentlemen for feeding - this is one of the steps that form the rental bourgeoisie: it is almost the same as the financial bourgeoisie, but financiers feed from the stolen money, and managers of state-owned companies feed from the stolen assets

I am in shock. I have not read such nonsense. Are you out of your mind? This is who the financial bourgeoisie is stealing? And who did the state-owned company steal assets from? Personally with you? Did you personally own a plant? So then you yourself belong to the bourgeoisie.

[hydrox]

You are not in shock, but in kindergarten - it’s too early for you to speculate on such matters.
And you should not be rude, until the moderators were interested in your behavior - they will be reset to zero!

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

You are not in shock, but in kindergarten - it’s too early for you to speculate on such matters.

Given your comments and the level of your knowledge, you just finished kindergarten recently.

Quote: hydrox

And you should not be rude, until the moderators were interested in your behavior - they will be reset to zero!

What a horror. Well, run cry to them, since in fact there is nothing to answer. Well, it’s clear where the child’s knowledge will come from in one day.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: hydrox

You would go, snotty liberal, bainki until the belt was poured!

You scared me right.)))) For your information, I am a conservative. But for you, that a conservative, that a liberal is one and the same. You know neither one nor the other meaning of the words.

[hydrox]

These funds were invested by the state, and not the tops of state-owned companies, which is why there is talk of theft in the management of other people's assets.

[hydrox]

Correctly verbatim :: the colonial-thieves Constitution must be rewritten

[hydrox]

The colonial constitution is only for kindling the stove, and not the Law of direct action ...

[Bad thing]

Vadim, salaries are not paid on profits, profits are the free funds remaining after paying salaries, settlements with contractors and taxes.

[Vadim237]

What kind of salary are you talking about - Sechin and Miller and other top managers, in addition to salaries, have bonuses and dividends at the end of the year - the more the company has net profit, the more dividends and bonuses - hence the "salaries" of 3 and 4 million in day.

[Bad thing]

Open the textbook and read what profit is, what it is calculated from and how it is taxed. Then lift the legal acts adopted in the recent past and everything will fall into place. Bonuses, by the way, are a very crafty thing, not in all cases they are paid at the expense of profit, purely from dividends only dividends.

[Vadim237]

I don’t need to talk about profit, this is the case when they pay out of profit, and from net profit they receive dividends - the more companies earned in a year, the more their top managers received, like all shareholders. The formula does not change, but the fact that the companies themselves have earned more is a merit of the very top managers and management - Sechin and Miller.

[hydrox]

Well, yes, any theft should be disguised as a rule: "profit - in dividends of shareholders, losses are attributed to the state"

[Vadim237]

And now I am a shareholder of Gazprom and Rosneft - every year I receive dividends from them, and not small ones - so I am a thief? It's time for you to turn to a psychiatrist to face violent insanity according to the principle "They have, but I do not have, then they are all thieves." And for you, these companies have profits of 600 billion or more trillion rubles this year, and there are not and will not be any losses, even in the most distant future.

[hydrox]

Hamlo!
Stop being rude!

[hydrox]

Nothing, the investigation will show how much money these tops will need to return to the people, but I’m afraid that there will be no issue from LandDon - you will have to use alpenstock or a scarf, as in previous years ...

[hydrox]

Well, yes, the basis for payments is illegal decisions of shareholders meetings - and the property is state-owned, and all profits should go to the state budget.

[hydrox]

You shouldn’t convince him: he knows and understands everything, but he is only sent to the forum to overthrow the anti-Liberal front, to whitewash the "elite" liberals in power, and accordingly they pay line by line.

[Roman070280]

It is useless for these people to explain something ..
He has Sechin - Taxpayer number one ..))
And he also generates some kind of profit .. his aura is like that, you see ..))
It could even be funny if it didn’t really happen ..

[Vadim237]

You know Rosneft from this year also my employer - on repair of drilling equipment as well as Lukoil. So yes, Sechin also generates profit for me - though remotely.

[Russia]

"It is useless for these people to explain something .."

Then you yourself are not a human being?

[hydrox]

No, he leaned against the state-owned company, forming his own piece: on the one hand, he is happy, and on the other hand, he’s afraid to get his pants wet when the economic paradigm changes, and this action is just around the corner.

[Vadim237]

So you will change your "paradigm" - with a psychiatrist. And about the change of course - no one will change anything, and there is nothing to change it - everywhere there is a market economy and market relations, you can only measure yourself with this.

[hydrox]

Mr. Hamlo, please apologize!
If the Internet is full of messages about the change of prime minister to Chemezov, and Pr-t is worried at meetings about the impasse in the economy, then you should send you a psychiatrist along with your atrocious liberal-oligarchic kodla who is craping the brains of normal people, while they still don’t understand, that you cannot be trusted for a penny, because the liberdians will crush for that penny (no matter what positions they hold! ), but they will try to put it in their pocket.

[Egor53]

AnderS cited data, without reference, that Gazprom's annual profit is $ 13 billion, which is not true.
Following the link https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6387803 in 2018, Gazprom's annual profit amounted to $ 28,6 billion. And in 2019, an increase in profits of 16% is expected.
I am not enthusiastic about how Gazprom and Rosneft work, but you should not lie about them.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: AnderS

Maybe instead of Miller and Sechin, look for someone cheaper, like Tim Cook?

Quote: AnderS

judging by the profits of companies managed by these characters from Tim Cook, the sense is many times more, with a lower salary ...

Not Cook but Jobs made Apple what it is. The board of directors of zp will never do much to him, because no new goods were created under it. And for your information in 2011, his “salary” (total remuneration) amounted to $ 380 million, which includes the annual salary and bonus of the leader, so I don’t know where you got 8,7.

[_Krechet_]

Comparing the profits of mining companies with a gadget company is the level of GOD analyst.

[Victor Orthodox]

Do you care what Sechin gets paid for? Well, it’s getting, it’s earning, just pay.
In any case, nothing will fall from you. Why so black envy

[Vadim237]

Ordinary human envy.

[Amurets]

Quote: Rusland

Alexey, I greet my friend hi This Svarog broadcasts from Tatarstan, where they pour in, to the envy of all regions, supposedly a "pretty penny", and this cuckoo sits in the nest, has a large beak, but does not get into his mouth, does not adjust to the protest stream.

Not envy, but revenge. The Far East somehow repulsed the "TATARO-KAZAN" invasion. To replace Pulikovsky as the plenipotentiary representative in the Far East, Russian President Vladimir Putin, already re-elected for a second presidential term, appointed the former long-term mayor of Kazan Kamil Iskhakov. It was then that the "Miracles" began, when Iskhakov dragged his friends and relatives. “However, dissatisfaction with the plenipotentiary, both among the local elites and the federal center, arose due to the active expansion of friends and relatives of the plenipotentiary in the highest echelons of power in the Far East. management may have caused Iskhakov's resignation from the post of plenipotentiary in October 2007. "
https://primamedia.ru/news/356934/
The "golden cabinet" of the Amur governor Kolesov was worth what. http://www.compromat.ru/page_22780.htm

[Svarog]

Quote: ANIMAL

The factory will create VALUE ADDED PRODUCTS! Which will whip up our chemical production! New jobs are being created! Housing is being built - For Workers. The budget of the region is increasing sharply ... and this is the salaries of state employees and social programs and Regional allowances ... General improvement of infrastructure!

It is naive to believe that this plant will increase the welfare of the population of the Amur region. They will build the infrastructure, I have no doubt .. Jobs will be created, but ZP will be cheap there, social network .. what social network, forget this word already .. Or do you think the factory workers will start retiring at 50? I am surprised by people who think that everything is done for them .. A lot of refineries have already been built around the country and that life is getting better? Well, yes, there are more billionaires ..

[dirk182]

Now a new trend in Moscow .. this is in the context of social programs. Hard workers are forced to take shape as self-employed. They throw them two thousand on top and that's it. The employer does not pay taxes. All with hard workers. Who runs and who stays.

[Svarog]

Quote: dirk182

Now a new trend in Moscow .. this is in the context of social programs. Hard workers are forced to take shape as self-employed. They throw them two thousand on top and that's it. The employer does not pay taxes. All with hard workers. Who runs and who stays.

This trend a year ago was outlined ... it is. And some here are happy - the bourgeois opened a plant, they will become richer! Hooray! Already the whole country is a continuous refinery, and then it’s getting more and more shitty ..

[Terenin]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: dirk182

Now a new trend in Moscow .. this is in the context of social programs. Hard workers are forced to take shape as self-employed. They throw them two thousand on top and that's it. The employer does not pay taxes. All with hard workers. Who runs and who stays.

This trend a year ago was outlined ..., but then it’s getting shitty ..

Everything is relative

[dirk182]

Or maybe we will say when they will build it? So far we have only seen the project. The plant is of course needed. But. In April of this year, the question of the Amur Gas Processing Plant was raised. Namely: the cost of construction is estimated at 14 billion dollars. Of these, 10 was to be invested by China Development Bank. But they refused, after hearing about the added value. They are used to getting raw materials for a penny. Until the Chinese build the plant, they will be engaged in processing themselves. Maybe they found the money. But another question arises .... will the Chinese be interested in buying these products? If there is another info, then I will be grateful

[Amurets]

Quote: dirk182

Until the Chinese build the plant, they will be engaged in processing themselves. Maybe they found the money. But another question arises .... will the Chinese be interested in buying these products?

The plant has been under construction for several yearsNow the summer navigation was opened at the Amur Gas Processing Plant, which is being built as part of the Eastern Gas Program of PJSC Gazprom. From South Korea, China and Europe cargo for construction is delivered by sea, then by river.
The demethanizer (the size of two Soyuz-2 missiles) is like a fluff moving along the water surface of the Zeya River to the temporary berth of the plant. This equipment is the largest, and literally a few days later the ship with another heavyweight from South Korea moors, this is a nitrogen removal column.
“The main task of the Amur Gas Processing Plant is the purification of natural gas, its separation to obtain pure methane, this is just the demethanizer column, and the de-nitriding column already gives us pure methane and a helium-nitrogen mixture. And this will be the next cycle, ”explained Evgeny Shilkin, deputy chief engineer of Gazprom Pererabotka Blagoveshchensk LLC.
In Skovorodino, methanol production begins. Want to track, here are the links: http: //gtrkamur.ru/news/2019/07/02/30940
https://www.gzt-sv.ru/news/121392-ploshhadke-amurskogo-gpz-ustanovili-kolonnu
https://www.eastrussia.ru/
Local media follow the construction progress in some detail.

[karabass]

during the Union, these columns were transported across the water without barges - they welded all openings, welded bollards and hit the road! Now, for some reason, they are being driven on barges.

[dirk182]

I am very glad that construction is underway. People need work, additional funds for the region

[hydrox]

You might think that the Chinese are the only consumers of gas processing products.
Southeast Asia is a large region, and South Korea with japens is generally a bonanza.

[vic02]

The factory will create VALUE ADDED PRODUCTS!

The added value is different. The added value of an aircraft engine or an industrial robot, or the same equipment for oil refining, is significantly higher than this cost of oil products. Whose equipment will be installed at this plant - Russian? (I suspect not. )
The plant will employ 3000 people, this is not a joke ? Yes, by the number of personnel it is a medium-sized enterprise. For comparison, the VAZ 36000. And the same about the qualifications of the staff serving this plant. This is far from what will require the development of science and education in the region. As for the official’s statements about doubling something, then such statements are constantly being broadcast to us, only the result is the opposite, therefore they are worthless.
And if our goal is to bring the level of development of the country to the level of Saudi Arabia, then yes, this is certainly another achievement.

[d4rkmesa]

Well, you won’t be able to attach so much helium to the market right away - you’ll have to upload it to the underground gas storage facility, as provided. This must be taken into account, in fact it is just a very large gas preparation plant, the cost of exported gas will be higher with additional preparation.

[hydrox]

And who is stopping gas from distilling methanol?
And from alcohol crazy prospects are formed.

[AnderS]

The factory will create VALUE ADDED PRODUCTS!

What are you saying! And in whose pocket this same added value will go? In any case, not in the pocket of the factory workers ... And knowing our businessmen, all this added value will be in offshore ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

the myth-smith god, the supreme god of the eastern Slavs ... and you are more likely the supreme god of whiners)))) singled out China from the whole text and pulled the barrel organ mournful with slogans

[Rwmos]

the brew in mythology, the blacksmith god

Well, this one is also pecking a lot ... Kuznetsov, by the way, in antiquity, always lingered on the outskirts - otherwise everyone gets sick.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

This site is for discussing certain VIEWS of what is happening, and not for discussing the merits or demerits of the authors. Leave
this is an occupation for grandmothers at the doorways. Give your arguments, show by examples what he is wrong ... And you turn to personality. This is bad

[dirk182]

And what is wrong??? You go to the Gazprom website. There, the word China, as applied to the Amur GPP, often appears

[dirk182]

Are you an optimist on state security ??? What are you molesting here. He expressed his opinion. Express yours. Do not get personal.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svarog

Build

That's how it all happens: someone builds, and someone guards the news, in order to stupidly scribble and denigrate the work of others. There is an excellent definition - parasites.

Quote: Svarog

And when will people start thinking about people?

Here are some better to forget. Totally.

[smart ass]

After reading the headline, I thought a factory was being built to produce cars, diesel locomotives, electronics, machine tools or farm drugs. As usual, we do not have a plant for embezzlement of state property, and we are getting deeper and deeper on the needle by planting the state.

[bk316]

After reading the headline, I thought a factory was being built to produce cars, diesel locomotives, electronics, machine tools or farm drugs.

don't tell petrochemistry to yourself a high-tech area
Well, everything else is also being built, but instead of a diesel locomotive plant, a plant producing atomic icebreakers

[hydrox]

Sorry, gas cleaning is not a petrochemical industry, it is extracting a huge amount of shit from gas, from which all residents will howl

[Okolotochny]

As usual, we do not have a plant for embezzlement of state property, and we are getting deeper and deeper on the needle by planting the state.

Yeah. "thoughtfully". Check out his end products and don't write any more smart posts.

[smart ass]

And what happens at the end of the iPhone?

[Okolotochny]

And for you, iPhone is the pinnacle of the economy and the meaning of life? Does the iPhone have plastic parts? And what are plastics made of? Petrochemicals.

[smart ass]

And what economic indicators of apple do not impress you? Name at least one Russian company with such indicators?

[bk316]

And what economic indicators of apple do not impress you?

Your memory is short. Do not remember how many years the Yabloko people showed losses and stood a step away from bankruptcy. How did they cut the business and panicked? And then Steve came back and everything worked out. But Steve is not an engineer, not a scientist, not a technologist, or even a programmer. Steve was a brilliant salesman right the best in the world. I don't like high-tech salesmen, but I take off my hat before steve. They just noticed a keyword in my admiration? This word WAS. Therefore, now an apple is a bubble and soon it will not be. About 10 years later, by inertia, it will last several consecutive mistakes and everything - either the bankrupt or the Chinese will buy.
I bet on the headstock. Therefore, no - not impressive.

[smart ass]

You are probably one of those who pokes a finger on the US national debt and is waiting for the collapse of the dollar?

[bk316]

You are probably one of those who pokes a finger on the US national debt and is waiting for the collapse of the dollar?

No, I’m one of those who remember how Microsoft and Apple came about, one of those who was called for a long time to work both there and there, one of those who talked live with both Beale and Steve
And the US debt is weakly related to the stock price of the apple or microsoft .....

[_Krechet_]

Quote: Clever man

After reading the headline, I thought a factory was being built to produce cars, diesel locomotives, electronics, machine tools or farm drugs.

These are also being built - so you can think, but rather be interested - then you can also look at all these enterprises.

[smart ass]

Give examples of finished plants?

[bk316]

Give examples of finished plants?

Are you seriously? Entire news channels are dedicated to this. But especially for you first-hand, in the sense I saw it myself.

Well, here's a link if you don’t know how to google.
https://pikabu.ru/story/v_sanktpeterburge_zapushchen_novyiy_zavod_po_proizvodstvu_substantsiy_insulina_6288984
My friends took part in this.

But on this I was
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/zavodfoto/silovye-mashiny-metallostroi-5b698cb714f73d00aa599573

Well, you probably heard about the new Angstrom plant for the production of radiation-protected microcircuits. I was at the launch - invited. Remember me ...

[smart ass]

For a country of 140 million people a great achievement)))

[bk316]

For a country of 140 million people a great achievement

Vasya, I actually work and not a journalist, I have no time to ride on construction sites. I wrote about what I saw myself, with my own eyes, because I’ll start to write about jelly ....

[Cat man null]

Quote: bk316

I wrote about what I saw with my own eyes

Quote: Clever man

... I manage the assortment in a network of construction stores, a tool

I would spit ... "not a horse" (c).

[Sergey1987]

Quote: bk316

I wrote about what I saw

Here is a paradox. New factories and workshops are opening up, but they still do not like that. And not in the extractive industry, but in mechanical engineering, in the chemical industry, in pharmaceuticals, and they again cry.

[maximaniak]

And the factory is not a factory. Of course I am exaggerating now, but under the heading I thought to read about the production of turbines of some kind, machine-steamers ... And this is just Gazprom engaged in their dreams.

PS: As far as thoughts converged, I will not even delete comments)))

[aleks26]

Quote: Svarog

Build a gas processing plant for China ...

If there was a plant, they would find where to send gas. Near Japan, Korea, near India.

[Vend]

They do not build plants badly, they build badly again. Maybe it's not about building factories, but in relation to the situation?

[Egor53]

Dear Svarog, Amur Plant is a part of the complex, which also includes strapping at the Chayandinskoye and Kovykta field, and gas pipelines. The payback period of the entire project is 4,5 years. You will not find links to this on the Internet. I know these numbers because my friend is working on this project.
The project provides jobs for hundreds of thousands of our people. Salaries there are quite high. They also think about people. All surrounding regions are gasified.
50% of all project costs were borne by China.
In 2022, a plant for the production of 2 million tons of polyethylene per year will also start working there.
The Power of Siberia is the most profitable project for Russia in many years. Gas reserves at the 2 above-mentioned fields are enough to operate for at least 60 years.
More such projects.

[Victor Orthodox]

Well, why are you so ... All the whining broke. Because of you, Svarog will have to come up with something else, bad now.
But her fantasy is also not endless.

[Vadim237]

This plant, along with ordinary gas, will produce nitrogen, argon and helium by tens of millions of cubic meters - 40 liters of helium costs from 9000 to 18000 rubles. Industry, both ours and the world, without these gases.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Svarog

Good? Probably good, for China it’s definitely good, the owners of the plant are also not bad ..

it’s good for contractors too ... bureaucrats with kickbacks are the same ..... everyone who lives nearby will get a penny .... But gas to every settlement isn’t ... then .... maybe. ... if the bolts are dry .. ((

[Sancho_SP]

1. Again the oil industry.

2. They cannot find young specialists, because effective managers pay normal salaries only to themselves.

3. A separate plant does not refute the howling demshiza. Here are the statistics on the commissioning of new facilities for 5 years - this is more interesting.

[demo]

Build is good.
Only one moment confused me.
The necessary infrastructure, social welfare and 1.5 kindergartens will stand on five thousand people.
Here's how to understand this 1.5?
One will surrender, and the second only half done?
Those who created this video think with their heads?

[quper]

People do not get fooled by the comments of Svarog he only needs this. He has no word, then a rumble through the pan that sits tightly on his head and presses all thoughts in one direction.

[Flatter]

Amur Gas Processing Plant will become one of the largest natural gas processing enterprises in the world. The plant will process 42 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

Helium production - up to 60 million cubic meters. m per year.

Ethane production - about 2,5 million tons per year.

Propane production - about 1 million tons per year.

Butane production - about 500 thousand tons per year.

The production of pentane-hexane fraction is about 200 thousand tons per year.

The plant area is 800 hectares.


For the Russian Federation, the volume of output is gigantic and unprofitable, if you do not sell it to the rest of the world. But, as Prime Minister Shuvalov said, we must support the global economy. Probably, at the expense of Russian resources

[dirk182]

This news was cheered by patriots last year. If there is nothing more to say, then it is very sad

[Mestny]

Very sadders will pour any news on what is known.
There is something to voice, there is. Here statistics were mentioned for 5 years. So it turns out that more is being built than in the USSR over the same period.
What a surprise, right?

[Flatter]

The equipment of the plant is German, as well as design and consultations, builders, as noted above, are Chinese. The products are aimed at foreign consumers. Today's Russia is an analogue of Saudi Arabia

[Svarog]

Quote: Mestny

ut statistics mentioned over 5 years. So it turns out that more is being built than in the USSR over the same period.

Sergey, you would not mention the USSR .. as a comparison is out of place ... In the USSR, several new cities a year appeared on the map .. and how many new cities appeared in modern Russia over the past 20 years?

[AU Ivanov.]

So these cities in the USSR, tadam - appeared in the areas of hydrocarbon and other mineral deposits. Surgut, Nizhnevartovsk, Novy Urengoy, Vorkuta. That is, to service the pipe.

[Svarog]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

there is to service the pipe.

Nizhnekamsk, Naberezhnye Chelny - this is only in Tatarstan .. But you still have not given me an example, in modern Russia, how many new cities have been built?

[AU Ivanov.]

But you have Innopolis near Kazan. We have Peter - Kudrovo. This is offhand. For 10 years from a suburban village - a huge residential quarter, last year they assigned the status of a city within the Leningrad region.

[Svarog]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

But you have Innopolis near Kazan. At us near Peter - Kudrovo

Yes, it’s liquid .. for 20 years then .. and the USSR certainly is not comparable

[Okolotochny]

Well, yes, Togliatti, the whole plant was bought from the bourgeoisie and the city was built. Technologically advanced, direct.

[Vadim237]

Since 2000, 26 technoparks have been built throughout Russia, and they still plan to build 45 to 2024.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Rostislav White

If you pay 20 tons to the workers, then the plant can blow up ... so don't flood it (it's like in the fields - wages and fines are high, it's almost like working in a "zone" as a shift worker).
Engineers still need to be found, this is not a manager and urist)))

Rostislav.
Do not pay humanly and beyond the Arctic Circle.
And people do not create conditions.
Not 20 thousand, of course, but absolutely inadequate in relation to efforts and conditions.
There is no comparison with what they received in Soviet times (for example, there is the possibility of having worked later to acquire housing somewhere in the middle lane.
Today in Russia, a citizen of Russia is not the main value of the state.
Alas.

[AU Ivanov.]

In Soviet times, it was impossible to acquire an apartment in the property. Either share in a cooperative, or wait until an uncle comes down to you and gives you housing.

[Vadim237]

The USSR paid everyone well and everything - but in the 80s money ran out, the USSR went bankrupt and fell apart.

[Sehiru san]

The Chinese are building for China.

[silver_roman]

I already drooled, I thought we could expand the ferry or a new assembly site for the su-57. and the bald trait. Congratulations China

[Vadim237]

There are 167 repair and shipbuilding plants in Russia - what shipyards are you planning to expand in your fantasies?

[mvmptzna]

It’s easy to get into such a target with a drone. And if there are several, then that's it.

[Darvin dv]

I don’t understand why they obsessively sniff at us that "the opposition says that nothing is being built in Russia." In general, the opposition talks about corruption, poverty, lawlessness and contempt towards the people. And about who we have the 5th column without opposition is clear - billions, villas, children, companies are not at all with the opposition abroad. But the propaganda machine in our country has just turned into a skating rink.

[Jager]

A gas station will be built. Well, that generally build. It is bad that again gas and oil, and not the production of means of production, are the same machines, for example.

[Horst78]

Quote: WIKI

then the plant had to be built near the field, and the already cleaned gas was driven through the pipe

Gas is prepared at the field. The gas treatment plant is needed to clean up "associated petroleum gas".

[U-58]

Very good!
Especially the one whose gas is being driven to China ...

[nobody111body]

Well, of course, if such a plant were built in Israel, it would be praised and poked in the face with "prosperous capitalism" and it's not interesting if the current is another persecution of us and the Chinese

[Private89]

One must always ask the question, in whose interests is it built, in the interests of the majority or minority? You can build a hundred of these plants, but if the profit is deposited in the hands of a narrow circle of people who know which yachts and football clubs spend this money, and most of them get leftovers from the table and we’ll better live. The future belongs to public property, the company received a net profit, gave everything to the budget, and free money, education, infrastructure, etc. develop from this money. But of course it will not be under the current government, these are not capable of changes.

[steelmaker]

I agree that a lot of things are being built in Russia. But why is the country's GDP growth rate of 1-1,5%? "The little casket just opens" - it is built for budget money, then it is all privatized and becomes private. Give me an example where private capital has built at least one plant here?

[AU Ivanov.]

On the contrary, there is a quiet creeping nationalization of enterprises, which is not good.

[Esaul]

Private capital in 99% of cases turns plants into shopping centers

[4ybys]

Two strands of methanol, 450 thousand tons per year, are still on the way at Shchekino nitrogen.
Coal terminals in Temryuk. There, the design of methanol, ammonia and urea production facilities of high power was started. This is just what I took part in designing.

[karabass]

Yes, and Volgograd at the former Chemical Industry were going to mount a methanol production workshop, can you tell me why it was so suddenly needed?

[4ybys]

To sell it abroad. This is an alternative to selling natural gas with high surplus value. Approximately 60% of methanol in the world now goes to the production of ethylene and propylene and consumption in this direction is growing.

[Vadim237]

At a plant where the depreciation of fixed assets is more than 95% - only fools will mount something.

[d4rkmesa]

"At the same time, the problem of gasification of Siberia itself will be solved" - if you consider the issue carefully, there is no talk about this yet.

[Esaul]

If you remove the noodles from your ears, it turns out that we are at our own expense building a plant for gas purification in China.
One must rejoice when they build the same plant in volume for the production of robotics.

[AU Ivanov.]

Remind you how much Gazprom pays taxes to the budget?

[4ybys]

Do you know that the world's largest concerns are precisely chemical concerns? For example, for Mitsubishi, car production is a side direction.

[Vadim237]

Mitsubishi is also a serious supplier of gas turbine units for the energy sector like GE, but Russia will not become a competitor in this direction in the next 20 years, as we are just starting to make our own turbines.

[The Sparkle]

Quote: Svarog

... So I have all the relatives from the village and I don’t know the life by hearsay ...

That's it - you know firsthand how they live - and you’re rooting for their standard of living.)))
I live in a village and how do you like this reality? - Before the state gasification program, the price went down to 300 thousand only for permission to connect.
Your relatives didn’t voice such a thing to you, or did you forget to mention this?)))

[balunn]

In a village with five residential buildings and a distance of 5-7 km from the nearest hydraulic fracturing, no one will pull a pipe.

[The Sparkle]

Not all at once, but I think they will lead them there. More optimism! Do not look for negativity in any news - this affects the quality of your life.

[Alexander X]

A plant is being built. Not only "effective managers" will work on it, but also real Workers (with a capital letter). They will be paid wages. Moreover, its level will be just such that they work at this plant. Those. jobs will appear and people will earn money. Payments from payroll will go to the budgets. This means that building a factory is a boon for the working class. What is whining then? And then they whine - no jobs. There were places, they said that they would pay little ... The market dictates not only the prices of goods, but also the size of wages ...

[Karaul14]

There is no doubt that this plant will be built precisely and on time)))

[Roman070280]

I read and think - what kind of plant will appear so chic .. and why it is necessary to build a new one and not use the old empty capacities .. and then suddenly:
"This enterprise should become one of the largest natural gas processing companies in the world"

How could I not immediately have guessed that we would produce / produce (underline as necessary) at this factory ..))
The power of Siberia .. China .. for our money .. to your pocket .. Nothing changes in this country ..))

[Maxim Guzevatov]

20 years already gas, oil, forest, gas, forest, oil, oil, forest. Ah, more tanks. Madhouse of pure water. The economy of Putin

[AU Ivanov.]

Not 20, but 70 years of commercials. We started with the export of timber back in the 30s. In the 70s, oil and gas were added. When Putin was still nobody.

[Vadim237]

And also military-industrial complex products 54 billion dollars, automotive 10 billion dollars, agriculture 128 billion dollars, Roselectronics 80 billion rubles, optical systems, medical devices and special equipment Swabe 100 billion rubles, CRET - 90 billion rubles, Angstrom 120 billion rubles, Rosatom more than a trillion rubles and many others - so 20 years are not alone: ​​oil, gas, wood, and more.

[karabass]

Yes, this is good of course, but now more than ever in Russia the patriotic attitude of the population is needed - for this our government must make people good salaries - as in Europe and other developed countries of the world. Without good salaries for people, if a war happens, everyone will surrender.

[Vadim237]

We have 75% of the total population working for private traders - "Our government must make people good wages" - does not fit with the first. There is a prospect - to reduce the number of all officials by 60% within 6 years and replace their functions with one window and digital communications, reduce VAT to 10%, abolish the transport tax, reduce excise taxes by 70% on diesel fuel, and return the retirement age to the old level - at least for the next 30 years - for the implementation of all programs of infrastructure, transport, agricultural, machine-building, tax, banking, etc., introduce a strict audit after a year throughout Russia on-line - which, in principle, is now being carried out under the digital economy program. Introduce a payment of 1600000 rubles for the birth of a third and subsequent children. Introduce a tax levy for companies whose annual income exceeds one billion rubles at a rate of 28%. To triple Russia's GDP in the next 15 years, including agriculture in terms of area three times, animal husbandry three times for cattle, five times; organizing greenhouse growing of vegetables in greenhouses 20 times - which helps to stop the exodus of the rural population and will raise the level life of the population in rural areas, organizing the production of high-speed helicopter technology up to 600 kilometers per hour as vehicles for the delivery of equipment and cargo to people, as well as providing medical care in remote regions of the country, the construction of 100000 kilometers of autobahns, the development of the mining of rare earth metals, combined thermonuclear energy, plasma technologies, special mechanical engineering and instrument making, the development of quantum technologies - supercomputers of electronics and components of hypersonic aviation, including a civil project, there is already now, even tests in Tsagi have undergone the development of hydrogen, machine-tool, additive technologies, development of tourism in Russia and much more - for everything about everything 140 - 160 trillion rubles 50 to 50 state funds private investments. You can earn the same in space - mining on the Moon there are huge deposits of rare earth metals and all this on the surface due to the absence of soil erosion - materials worth tens of trillions of euros.

[zed042]

Who are the shareholders is the first question.
Employment: PFR, Social Insurance, tax.
smile and wave.
I'm not saying that everything is lost. Just thinking about it.

[Radikal]

Great hopes are laid on this plant, since it is considered as an important link in the implementation of future gas supplies to China through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.

That's what it says ....

[Mihail2019]

Yeah, only no one says that construction contractors and equipment suppliers are also Chinese for the most part.
That is, a factory for China is being built by China, from Chinese equipment. For whose money - I will not say, because I do not know. As a result, the funds for construction are not mastered by us, but by the Chinese.

[Ross xnumx]

The largest Russian plant is being built in the Amur Region

I even find it difficult to compare a small, insignificant, worthless for 36 people AvtoVAZ employees with a "supergiant" (more than 226 cm ) for as many as 3 jobs at the Amur Gas Processing Plant. Okay, they would quietly build, launch and then report. Here the Far East did not have time to catch its breath from hectares, from floods and floods it was still dry, there were still comments on the elections, the words of a fabulous helmsman about the migration of people from the region had just begun to be forgotten, and then there was a grunt, and in the free city a whole neighborhood for as many as 000 people. Moms and dads will be delighted to indicate the shortest routes to their children in kindergartens and in temples of science ...

High hopes are pinned on this plant, since it is considered as an important link in the implementation of future gas supplies to China through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.

When I heard from the tandem talk about raising pensions, I was also full of hopes. From January 541, he pinned all his hopes on 86, XNUMX rubles. And the wife, as she is still working, could not ...
First, I will give a few phrases about the fate of the VAZ:

In 1993, they tried to create an All-Russian Automobile Alliance (AVVA) on the basis of VAZ with a program for the production of a national car with the participation of Boris Berezovsky and his LogoVAZ [source not specified 838 days]. In 1996, the head of the VAZ Kadannikov became Deputy Prime Minister Chernomyrdin.
In the 1990s and early 2000s, a fierce criminal war broke out for control of the plant, during which about 500 people died, including: well-known bandits in the city, businessmen, police officers, journalists, public figures, factory management ...
In December 2007, it became known that the French automotive corporation Renault plans to acquire a 25% stake in AvtoVAZ. On February 29, 2008, the transaction took place, the agreement on the sale of shares was signed by the head of the board of directors of Troika Dialog Investment Company Ruben Vardanyan, the president of Troika Capital Partners Sergey Skvortsov and the head of Renault-Nissan corporation Carlos Ghosn. The final transaction amount will depend on the results of AvtoVAZ's operations in 2008-2009, but will not exceed $ 1,2 billion. After the repayment of treasury shares, the Renault plant will receive a controlling stake. As a result, as of September 2008, the main shareholders of the company were: Renault (25%), Russian Technologies (25,1%) and Troika Dialog (25,64%)

Do you want to tell me what goals are pursued by the construction of this plant and what will happen after its launch? Write down who has a good memory - remember. Prior to the plant, natural gas with all its impurities can still claim semi-public property. After cleaning it will be "in general, what kind of relationship to the people" property with appropriate market rules for the distribution of profits. According to this principle:

And after its launch, it will become clear that the purification of alcohol at the distillery carries more significant consumer properties.

How will this construction affect the development of the Amur Region?

Just as the construction of the bridge in Vladivostok affected the price of air travel. I will tell you more - the regional budget will accept this infusion of capital with modest shyness ...

[Okolotochny]

I even find it difficult to compare the small, insignificant, useless for 36 employees of AvtoVAZ with the "super-giant" (more than 226 cm lol) for as many as 19 jobs at the Amur GPP.
AvtoVAZ themselves designed and built ??? Do not write nonsense.

[Igor Ivanov_4]

Well built and built - two big differences! We also built a spaceport, from which nothing will fly! Still find a new way to rob the population? Where will they dig? Will pensions be canceled at all? And the air tax!

[Shelest2000]

Great hopes are laid on this plant, since it is considered as an important link in the implementation of future gas supplies to China through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.

Well, this is a factory in the interests of China. And where are the plants in the interests of Russia? And I want to ask - how many thousands of factories, factories and other enterprises have been destroyed over the past 19 years? How many and which of our home appliance manufacturers can be found, at least, in your kitchen? Or electronics? I didn’t find anything. Either China or Europe. Even the LED bulbs are China.

[Vadim237]

I can say that 40000 were opened in the same period - including I opened two pilot production facilities and a repair plant in the Volgograd Region.

[Megamarcel]

And the Chinese will pay how much for gas? What is the profitability of the project or is it another construction for the sake of construction?

[bar]

What is the profitability of the project or is it another construction for the sake of construction?

And why is the construction itself bad? Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg with his construction gas transformer certainly does not share your pessimism

[Old Horseradish]

A bunch of zombies got out and buzzed. "How good! A plant for the Chinese! Loot for total corruption and oliagrams! You give mansions and palaces in Europe!"
Zombies, you won’t get anything from the word from this money. Lived to stench times. Ukrainians are enemies, and the Chinese are friends. Well, why, zombies like it.

[Vadim237]

You whine more hysterically - you're good at it. "Palaces in Europe" - Which can be confiscated at any time, and the owner imprisoned. "Factory for China" - On which all ours will work, and our industry will produce propane, argon, nitrogen, helium "Loot for total corruption and oligarchs" - If it were so, Russia still sat in the 90s and did not rant about any factories with you here, and your pension would be equal to absolute zero - and everything else means not all thieves and corrupt officials in Russia. And you, grandpa, go straighten your health - from violent insanity and a spell on the problem.

[Vadmir]

Gas is a non-renewable source of income. Gas will end sooner or later, and then what? What will we leave to descendants? It is necessary to invest in high technology. In mechanical engineering.

[Vadim237]

Do not worry, the next 1000 years will not end - because the rapidly renewable source in Russia of proven gas reserves is 48,8 trillion cubic meters, and not explored, 50 times more

[Vadim237]

For oil, 120 billion barrels of oil - estimated

[SovietUnit]

When I saw the phrase the largest plant, some hope immediately flowed, and then I saw it, then for gas ... China is already cheaper to have a plant in Russia than at home, because the minimum wage in Chinese cities is now about 3000 yuan (27000). I hope that at least people living close to this will benefit from the extended gas that they have been waiting for for more than a dozen years.

[Karislav]

FACTORY for China !! BRAVO!!!

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Quote: _Sergey_

Connection costs from 30 thousand to 50.

You are a great optimist. 50 - only the minimum cost of the connection work itself. And there is such an article as "permission to tie-in" into a private gas pipeline, of which we have the majority on the "last mile". And this permit can cost as much as you like. For example, in the Samara region in the region of 250-300 sput.

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Quote: ROSS 42

small, insignificant, worthless for 36 people AvtoVAZ employees

At the insignificant AvtoVAZ, before it was completely drained by Muscovites and sold the skin to the French, 100 employees worked. And with all the allies in Russia - up to half a million. And now yes, we have a balance of 000 and allies abroad.

[Vadim237]

And why are there 100000 workers - he produces more than a million cars every year, no one who sucked out this unfortunate AvtoVAZ - he simply couldn’t produce normal competitive cars, now he can and does with the French.

[bar]

Apparently you are too young, and therefore not in the subject. During the Soviet era, VAZ produced exactly more than a million cars and car sets. It's not shielding parts. And the large number was due to the fact that most of the components were produced at the plant itself, starting from steel sheet and iron and aluminum casting. In contrast to modern "full cycle" car plants, which only cook / paint bodies from imported stampings and install imported components in them. As for the "optimization" of the plant by Muscovites and then by the French, this is a separate topic. If interested, I can tell you, but not in this thread.

[AU Ivanov.]

But now AvtoVAZ's products more or less look like cars, and not like buckets with nuts.

[bar]

Now this is not AvtoVAZ production, but the contract assembly of French cars on the B0 platform. If you like these stuff, happy for you. Eat do not stick up.

[AU Ivanov.]

Compared to the "native" VAZ products, it is day and night. I'm afraid that if it weren't for the French, VAZ would still rivet classics, maximum - variations on the Priora theme. We don't need such football.

[bar]

I do not want to envy your unpretentiousness. You yourself ride this French football, or who sang?

[Vadim237]

His products then were very mediocre - quality is not worth talking about. 65% of the issued Muscovites went for export but time passed and Muscovites became outdated both physically and mentally.

[bar]

What does the Muscovite have to do with it? Fiat-124, which was purchased for VAZ at that time, was recognized as the best car in Europe. At that time, in the same France, Citroens 2CV were in full production and in demand (you can google what it is). The transition to a front-wheel drive family also happened quite in time, and the 2108-2108 were quite advanced cars in their class. And the share of exports in the VAZ program was very significant (in fact, it was precisely to receive currency for our military-industrial complex that VAZ was built at one time). Naturally, the harsh 90s did their dirty work, but at that time they developed and released the 2110 family, and at the same time they began to develop the "viburnum" platform, which the same French people still use with pleasure. And it is still not outdated, although it was reduced in price to the point of indecency.

[Troll]

They love everything big in Russia.
IMHO: it’s better than 100 small factories in places of residence than to fence a single-industry town and a factory with it.

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IMHO: it’s better than 100 small factories in places of residence than to fence a single-industry town and a factory with it.

Better to whom? Foreign manufacturers who are exempted from import duties are certainly better off. Here, the Russian budget from these logistics pads under the guise of factories is hardly better. Citizens are also not particularly good enough to see what is happening with car prices in the absence of domestic competitors. Less than 1 million is no longer to be found. I hope you managed to buy yourself a couple? And then at this rate of price growth, soon no loans will be enough.

[Troll]

Better to whom?
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Everyone is better.
-People, we all are looking for work closer to home and not for distant lands, so OK with staff for a dozen factories spaced across the territories will be easier than for a single but large plant.
- In the cities there is already a well-developed and working infrastructure. (Shops, housing, social programs, etc.) That is, investments in it are not needed or are needed in much smaller quantities.
- The environmental load on nature with distributed production is much less than if this production "smokes" in one place.
- If something happens, you also need to feed and drink a single-industry town and settle the city. This we passed recently.
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There are still a bunch of advantages, but do not describe all of them.
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>>> I hope you had time to buy yourself a couple? <<
Learn not to get personal.

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Globally you think.

The people, all of us, are looking for work closer to home and not for distant lands, so OK with staff for a dozen factories spaced across the territories will be easier than for a single but large plant.

Nothing that instead of 500 jobs at one plant there will be only 000 at the ten spaced candle factories? I'm talking about the people as a whole, and not about individual lucky people who managed to find a job closer to home.

In cities, there is already a well-developed and working infrastructure. (Shops, housing, social programs, etc.) That is, investments in it are not needed or are needed in much smaller quantities.

The infrastructure already exists in that city, which was rebuilt even under the USSR and is still operating.

Happen that a single-industry town needs to be fed and watered, and a city should be scattered. This we passed recently.

And how, successfully happened? What can one do, single-industry towns are the legacy of the USSR and the Cold War with its Iron Curtain. Everything had to be done by ourselves, in isolation from third-party manufacturers, often on a bare spot without developed infrastructure. By infrastructure, I do not mean the infrastructure of single-industry towns, but the structure of industry. When the VAZ and KAMAZ were built in the USSR, the country had no normal chemistry, plastics, paints, rubber. neither normal sheet hire, nor normal manufacturers of automotive components. It is for this reason that megafactories with subsistence farming were built, producing as much as possible everything on their territory. The same applies to ZIL, GAZ, KAMAZ. And the military-industrial complex had the same picture. And one could not do without single-industry towns. And this is the specificity of industry and the economy of the USSR. And this is not a minus. The same KAMAZ, which thanks to Shaimiev was not reached by the sticky hands of Muscovites, is still working itself, is developing, making a profit and not worrying about its single-industry town.

[Vadim237]

"When the VAZ and KAMAZ were built in the USSR, there was neither normal chemistry, plastics, paints, rubber in the country. Nor normal sheet metal, nor normal manufacturers of auto components." And even after these construction projects, all of this was not of high quality and in short supply, until the collapse of the USSR.

[bar]

But now we have all this plenty, excellent quality and foreign production. Glory to Gazprom and its foreign exchange earnings. And everything would be great, but only with carbon fiber for the MS-21 failed.

[Vadim237]

Alloys are all ours, the equipment is also Russian-made, the problem with carbon fiber was solved more than a month ago - but in our market there are other manufacturers of the entire product range, the last word remains with the consumer - they have a huge choice to make.

[bar]

With your lips ... But I'm afraid you are very far from the real production of "the entire range." I'm afraid you get your optimism from the programs of the central TV :(

[Troll]

Is it okay that instead of 500 jobs at one plant there will be only 000 at the ten spaced candle factories?

There is already infrastructure in that city

In Blagoveshchensk? Oh sure. But the plant is being built "not far" from Blagoveshchensk and not within its borders or on the border. Therefore, dormitories and trailers, housing and shops, etc. will be built.

Well and the third: the floor with infrastructure you can understand what you want, I’m talking about the infrastructure of the city and the social network, which you don’t need to rebuild, there are construction works in places where people live.
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Example: The entire economy of Germany is based on hundreds of small industries in small towns. BMW transmissions, for example, are also assembled at a factory with a couple of hundred people per hundreds of kilometers. From the assembly line.
...

[bar]

Something throws you not on the dec. That VAZ, then Moskvich, already reached Blagoveshchensk.

The entire economy of Germany is based on hundreds of small industries in small towns.

Didn't I tell you about that? Where in the USSR were there hundreds of factories in small towns? It did not work out with small industries, unlike Europe. Two world wars, a revolution with a civil war and devastation, there was no time for small industries. The country managed to periodically restore only large ones. This is where it started - tank city, atomic city, auto city ... Something like that. And I will speak only for the WHA, without spreading thoughts, unlike some. It was built under the conditions of socialism (there was such a system, if you did not find it), and it was built precisely for the conditions of socialism, when in principle there was no private ownership of the means of production, therefore, there were no "hundreds of small productions" of a complete set. And precisely because of the lack of these industries, it was necessary to build it so large, and to produce everything internally and by ourselves. And the plant turned out to be excellent, and in those conditions it assembled more than a million cars a year (a car rolled off the assembly line every 20 seconds, like a clock), was quite profitable, earned a lot of money and currency for the national economy, and provided work for half a million people. He would have been able to compete with the same French and Koreans now, if it had not turned out the way it did.
And as for "hundreds of small industries", it's great. But where are they? The entire Russian "auto industry" has slipped to the screwdriver assembly on the logistic gaskets, evading taxes and duties, which are now called "car factories". And all the "small production" of the complete set, from which "Russian cars" are assembled, continue to work successfully in the same Europe, giving a bunch of jobs to Germans, French, Turks, Romanians, sucking the money out of Russia. And for some reason these industries are not born and do not live in our country. So maybe it was necessary first to create these small industries, and only then cut the hen that lays eggs?
I hope this time I lucidly conveyed my position to you?

[stasimar]

it’s not a plant, but a tool for pumping resources.

[Vadim237]

They pay money for this - but there will not be any sense from gas underground, it will continue to accumulate there, but when it accumulates and permafrost will thaw it a little