Rogozin said that Roskosmos knows the cause of the hole in the Soyuz ship

Dmitry Rogozin made a statement investigating the causes of the hole on board the Soyuz spacecraft. Recall that the hole was previously discovered with a drop in pressure on the ISS, then demonstrated, and for its examination, the astronauts even had to go into outer space.

Several versions appeared, among which there were exotic ones - that drilling was carried out directly on board "in order to get to Earth as soon as possible." It got to the point that they began to discuss the need to install video recording cameras in the ISS compartments.

Among the versions was one that concerned the possible lack of proper verification of the spacecraft at the enterprise, where it was assembled.

The statement of Dmitry Rogozin about the reasons for the appearance of the hole on board the Soyuz, frankly, practically does not shed light on the public. RIA News quotes the head of Roscosmos, whose statement resembles the statements of Western partners from the series “we have evidence, but we will tell you nothing about them, since they are secret”:

It was in the household compartment (of a spaceship); it had already burned out long ago when the ship was converging. We took all samples. What happened - we all understand, but we will not tell you anything.

Previously, experts were limited to the opinion that this hole is of "earthly origin." In other words, the emphasis was on the fact that certain people tried to hide it. Unfortunately, Rogozin’s vague statement does not make it possible to say whether this version found confirmation or not.

Comments

[Thrall]

Said "A" - say "B"
What kind of fashion has gone? Similar statements were made about the attack on the Roscosmos facility in the Sergiev Posad region.
The country must know its "heroes". Well, or I would like to know at least which country they / he / she is from

[Svarog]

Quote: Thrall

Said "A" - say "B"

Rogozin is becoming less and less eloquent .. but his theme ... a good investigation could have turned out .. he killed a journalist in himself, but did not become the head of Roscosmos ..

[vlad106]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Thrall

Said "A" - say "B"

Rogozin is becoming less and less eloquent .. but his theme ... a good investigation could have turned out .. he killed a journalist in himself, but did not become the head of Roscosmos ..

"it seems to me that it is as if someone, somewhere, seems to be" ...
he’s a talker, a demagogue, and an idiot. how did he end up next to the authorities?

[kotvov]

how did he end up next to the authorities ?,
But how did the mechanics, journalists, ballerinas and singers get there?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Thrall

Said "A" - say "B"

he has difficulties with English, could not formulate the phrase Highly likely, but in fact, as I understand it, he himself does not really know.

[figwam]

The statement of Dmitry Rogozin about the reasons for the appearance of the hole on board the Soyuz, frankly, practically does not shed light on the public.

Those who are guilty understood everything, what else is there to explain, and the debt must be repaid.

[Vadim237]

"Highly likely" - from locksmiths assemblers: Tolik, Vasya and Vitka.

[zache]

This Rogozin is a very stupid person, but probably very convenient, since he occupies such a post. I wonder who needs him in this post?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Thrall

Well, or I would like to know at least from what country he / he / she is

Most likely the hole appeared, somewhere at the stage of the ship’s assembly (i.e., on Earth) and after finding out the reasons, they simply did not inflate the topic, into the theory that the astronauts tried to make a hole there (that the Americans, that ours ...) I I don’t believe it, because in the footsteps it was clear that they tried to close this hole, and they did it with intent, I don’t know if someone made a mistake or more seriously ....

[vlad106]

Quote: Aleksandr21

They tried to close the hole, and they did it with intent, I don’t know the mistake someone made or what is more serious ....

sabotage, sabotage. forests burn all summer, warehouses explode ... enemies are all around. even under Eltsin, tens of thousands of villains were launched, and even recruited several times more. corrupt little people surround our rulers. I suspect that executions cannot be dispensed with.
the only thing that is dangerous is that under the guise they will begin to remove the unwanted

[Avior]

after traces of sealant were found outside the case under a layer of thermal protection, the question of what was not drilled on the ground dropped by itself

[krizis]

found a sealant that they themselves put on the inside. . So nothing fell away. It is terribly interesting what they actually found out.

[Avior]

And who are these themselves?
Inside imposed outside? Under thermal protection?

[krizis]

No, from the inside it, of course, naturally, by pressure, a part of the cork squeezed out. They found her.

[Avior]

Photo from the inside.

The complete absence of any traces of sealant

[krizis]

AND? after that the sealant was applied, and only much later they took samples from the outside.

[Avior]

there was another sealant on the outside, which was applied to the astronauts.
in order to take samples of the sealant used by the astronauts, it was not necessary to go into outer space and cut the ship, it was in a tube.
took samples of what hole outside, under a layer of meteorite protection, smeared

[krizis]

Outside, he was supposed to. So far, they reported traces of the sealant, which was immediately covered up in orbit.

[Avior]

ay, outside the samples were taken from the one who had smeared the hole before they discovered the leak.
once again, the sealant that the astronauts worked on, he stayed on board in a tube, take samples, I don’t want to .......

[krizis]

Where did you see the message that outside you found some other sealant, not the one used by the astronauts?
The one that was used inside will certainly go outside, this by itself. The hole is through.

[Avior]

no, it doesn’t hit or hit.
a hole of 2 mm, and a patch was placed on it, in addition to sealant.
but where did you see that this is the same? not to mention the fact that his sample on the ship remained right in the tube ....

[krizis]

Those. you did not see.
Well, the sealant sucks in the hole with a differential pressure. The fact that the patch was not immediately stabilized was simply sucked out, the astronauts reported back during the repair.
Now I come across reports that I saw from the outside with an interpretation, like yours, the only thing is that some kind of sealant will be visible from the outside - it was clear and before the release, the whole question is what the analyzes will show.

[Avior]

that is, you have never seen that at least someone other than you claimed that it was not clear why the astronauts went into outer space for 7 hours, cut the meteor defense with great difficulty, and took a sample of the same epoxy sealant that was stored with them on the ship? Do I understand correctly that, besides you, no one has made such a strange assumption? Or can you give a link?

But do you trust this person in such a question?

A hole in the lining of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft could have been made at the Baikonur cosmodrome, ROSMOS head Dmitry Rogozin told RIA Novosti. According to him, the state corporation commission excludes the version of damage to the ship during its production at the plant.

“We deny that this could have been done at the Moscow factory. Baikonur remains as an option, or some exotic versions, ”said Mr. Rogozin. According to him, the ship’s production is arranged in such a way that a “stranger” cannot approach it.

The version of damage to the ship in Baikonur can be confirmed by the discovery of sealant on the outside of the Soyuz, Dmitry Rogozin added. “The astronauts must open the surface, see the hole and see what is on this hole. If there is a sealant, then the hole was made on Earth, ”he said.

or is this

On November 15, Russian space crew members Sergei Prokopiev and Alexei Ovchinin are scheduled to go into outer space (he should replace Oleg Artemyev, who will return to the ground on October 4). The Commission added one more to the work plan. The astronauts will have to get close to the ship (and it’s not so simple, on the surface of the Soyuz no one planned work in outer space, so there are no special handrails on them that are fastened so as not to fly away from the station). They will cut the screen-vacuum insulation with special scissors, and then cut out part of the micrometeorite protection in the place where the hole was drilled. Usually, when drilling soft metal, a long burr remains. If the hole made is still sealed outside - part of the sealant should be found on the burrs.

Then it will be clear: the saboteur is on the ground.

But if the sealant will not be there ...

he was there, samples were taken ....
or is this

RIA Novosti, citing a source in Roskosmos, reported that the cause of the space emergency was a manufacturing defect. One of the employees drilled a hole in the wrong place, and, realizing the mistake, tried to seal the hole with special glue. Therefore, the "leaky" "Union" was tested for leaks. Moreover, the perpetrator of negligence was established.

[krizis]

Try re-reading what you are responding to.
Just in case, I rephrase.
Astronauts take a sample from the outside to check for the presence of a different sealant. that was superimposed from within. At the same time, they can also find the sealant that was applied in space.
In addition to you, there were those who wanted to make hasty conclusions, I already wrote about this. Well, from your links "RIA Novosti" with reference to a source in "Roskosmos" "yes, I have seen such kind of good ... The version is possible, but there are oddities, why, for example, this confusion did not only make a hole after the technological stages with drilling, after them there was a visual control with shooting, the hole had not been closed yet, and it would have been blocked from the inside and outside, it had not yet been sealed from the inside, such a patch would be supported by internal pressure.

[Avior]

if you didn’t come up with this strange test of your epoxy with spacewalk, give me a link who made it, even interesting. If you, then, do not see the point of discussing

I gave you a link to Rogozin, who interprets the presence of sealant on the outside clearly.

If there is a sealant there, then the hole was made on Earth ”

[krizis]

"If you didn’t come up with this strange test of your own epoxy with spacewalk, give me the link who did it, it’s even interesting."
Do you read yourself? I specially bring your words to you.
So, you came up with it. :)
Try to imagine what you are writing about. A hole has been sealed from the inside; sealant components will necessarily get out. Samples are taken outside to find traces of sealing from the outside, i.e. something besides traces of internal sealant. Now, by some miracle, you conclude that they are being done in order to get an analysis of your own sealant. Third time.
So, perhaps really discussing is not so interesting.
You didn’t begin to look at strangenesses, but you cited Rogozin’s words, which do not distinguish between the sealant supposed from the outside and the one that got outside from the inside.
Of course, if it turns out that the hole was sealed from the outside, the version with drilling in space disappears. Then two remain - sabotage in Baikonur, and mass insanity in production.

[Avior]

I read myself, and you too.
and I want to understand who the author of this ridiculous version is. if not you, then give a link

A hole has been sealed from the inside; sealant components will necessarily get out.

give a reference please.
not at all necessary. from the inside, an unplastic epoxy sealant with a fabric base bandage was used, and the air leak there was so small that the crew did not even wake up.

cited the words of Rogozin, in which the sealant supposed on the outside does not differ, and on the inside.

and what, Rogozin’s position did not convince you?
Have you composed yours? or spied on someone?

[krizis]

Who is the author, I already wrote - it's you :)
You gave your speculation for my version now your interpretation of the words of Rogozin for his position.
The danger to the crew is rather a question of the ratio of the diameter of the hole and the living volume.
The patch was combined. It absolutely does not need such wonderful properties as non-ductility, and the super-stability of the surface to a pressure drop at the same time as good adhesion. to metal.

[Avior]

that is, you composed

No, from the inside it, of course, naturally, by pressure, a part of the cork squeezed out. They found her.

I have no questions

[krizis]

No, not me. But I'm glad that there are no more questions. It is a pity that the oddities of the earthly version were not made out. :)

[Avior]

No, not me.

then I’m waiting for a link, who.
The statement that it was precisely the sealant squeezed out that came out came only from you

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrall

Similar statements were made about the attack on the Roscosmos facility in the Sergiev Posad region.

Well, you don't need to lump everything together and shit on everything that comes to hand. In that case, everything is already clear to everyone. The morons decided to become famous, but the security worked professionally and they were tied up. And you and others like you are still clamoring about the topic - "we have no one guards strategic objects, and everyone who is not lazy wanders there."

[Cananecat]

And I will find a lemon and be glad
But I won’t give you ...

[Lighten]

Well, with the "attack" everything is simple, like the stalkers themselves were surprised by the protection. And this is a plus for Roscosmos. Only there was no sabotage there. Superfluous need to invent

[Cat man null]

Quote: Article

... whose statement (Rogozin) resembles the statements of Western partners from the series “we have evidence, but we will not tell you anything about them, since they are secret”

Right. Troll "partners" according to their own method

Quote: Thrall

Said "A" - say "B"

What makes you think this is said for you?

Quote: Svarog

Rogozin is becoming less eloquent

Catch Catch small fish star,
Big and small

[Svarog]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Catch, Catch a Starfish,
Big and small

And you don’t have any problems with asterisks .. Ikolotochny and Paranoid50, regularly correct the rating ..

[rocket757]

What happened - we all understand, but we will not tell you anything.

Klas-s-s-s-s! What to say .... but there is nothing to say, to put it as you want "mommy" does not allow.

[voyaka uh]

All that had to be determined in the laboratory was when and who plugged the hole with a sealant (the so-called "old sealant") on the ground.
Which departed in space.
And the astronauts had to plug the hole with a swab soaked in a sealant ("new sealant"). Roscosmos had a year for all checks.

[Vladimir_R]

Quote: voyaka uh

All that had to be determined in the laboratory was when and who plugged the hole with a sealant (the so-called "old sealant") on the ground.

It seems to me more important - to establish for what reason the person who did this did not go to the immediate supervisor and did not say that he was mistaken in drilling the hole? The man was frightened of something, and this fear was stronger than the fear of killing the astronauts on board. He had to come up, tell him, lose the prize, go for retraining, and then they would give two unbeaten for him. But he did not. What is going on in the workplace that a person chose to live in the awareness that he killed people (was the cause of their death), than to approach and directly say about the error?

[krizis]

You can’t make a mistake there by the hole. It appeared after all the work related to drilling.

[krizis]

To begin with, you still need to determine whether a hole has appeared on the earth or in space.

[Rwmos]

Yes, NASA has long punished an American. Which at first broke the toilet in the American section, then overlooked the hole

[Blackmokona]

That is a pure fake based on the copy-paste of a person who does not even know who makes space toilets for the ISS

[Sanya Brother]

We have such missiles, but we won’t tell you about them ... !!!)))

[Livonetc]

In recent years, as I see this ... with a muzzle like after a bath, there is a desire to perform an action literally set out in the humoresque of Evdokimov.

I’m coming, I’m not touching anyone, my face is red. I always have it red after the bath. And suddenly I hear footsteps from behind, I turn, and after me some guy runs with a wooden oar in his hands, such a joyful one. I see, it’s non-Nashi, I think maybe what to ask? And he’ll give me an oar as soon as he gives me.

[faterdom]

Yes, we all know about this hole. But they won’t tell! Let it be our little secret.

[Vadim237]

Yes, they would say the truth, "The Roscosmos corporation is making holes in ships" - otherwise they are crumpled for a month.

[tsvetkov1274]

,, This is the hole - whose hole you need ''

[Dikson]

Actually, there are only two versions .. and in both there is a striped trace .. About the young lady of the cosmic initial leak, which was feverishly reduced to a stupid joke, and about a specific diversion at the assembly stage .. On whose advice the hole was drilled and covered with mud, sorted out. But the general public is not supposed to know about it ..

[vanavatny]

well, when you can put a veto, horseradish and secrecy on the mess ...

[Ripap]

I am translating from Ragozinsky into Russian: "We are about ... fox"

[krizis]

Or we know who did it.

[Ripap]

If this were not our headache, all federal media would have raised such a stench.

[krizis]

yah? and not vice versa? :)

[Reserve buildbat]

"A big secret for a small, for such a small company, for such a modest company, such a huge secret." (from)
A lot of words with a complete lack of information

[sergo1914]

There are only two versions
1) Alien Blood
2) Laser Jedi Sword
Fantastic versions about the astronaut picking sheathing with a toothpick serious people do not consider

[Lighten]

Well, they burned down a secret experiment with a sword.

[Mavrikiy]

Rogozin said that Roskosmos knows the cause of the hole in the Soyuz ship

All is well, beautiful Marquise, but what about retaliation?

[Blackmokona]

The culprit classified the result of the investigation

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: BlackMokona

The culprit classified the result of the investigation

Sorry, and your legs are growing out of that ass that I suspect?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: BlackMokona

The culprit classified the result of the investigation

Sorry, and your legs are growing out of that ass that I think?

Reread what you wrote?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: BlackMokona

The culprit classified the result of the investigation

Sorry, and your legs are growing out of that ass that I think?

Reread what you wrote? What are you doing in the place where you think?

Attached! +++ The nuances of the transfer from ours to yours. And still, suspicions remained.

[Bomb]

Did you drill it yourself?

[zache]

And the other Dimon (the same ignoramus) helped.

[kotvov]

Drilled it yourself ?,
no, she was drilled herself.

[Vladimir61]

And what about the fact that we really learned something? Would we turn the WORLD upside down? They would gossip, lower someone below the baseboard, threaten someone with a finger, bite at comments and that's it!
Our ancestors and power as a whole were wiser.

[nesvobodnaja]

And in this verse are there so many mistakes made?

[Antokha]

Oh, an adequate assessment of the situation. Rogozin did the right thing, albeit inconsistently. We need to know who needs it, we don’t need to know.

[lot]

A worthy response from the official.
Waiting for memoirs

[Ros 56]

We already know what Rogozin is hiding: either he’s gouging for him, or these are aliens. In the first, he does not confess to a vein, then the second, but there is no proof, so he has to bustle.

[Yaro Polk]

This TP, drilled by an American astronaut who is a lesbian, and managed to commit 2 crimes in orbit. 100 procy

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Only a fool can’t connect the two information))) The first is the hole from the drill + the second is the time to return the pistols to the Russian cosmonauts = Rogozin’s statement - we (we mean the whole Russian people) know, but we won’t say))) strain your brains at least once .. ..

[Rostislav]

An eccentric with the letter "m" in any position, an eccentric, and not only in Africa.

[APASUS]

Are they looking for a switchman at Rogozin? It is necessary to present the news so that the "partner" does not offend

[Alex_Bora]

"The rubber hedgehog walked and whistled with a hole in his right side!" So I remembered from such a comprehensive statement

[certero]

If someone wanted to make an anti-PR to Roscosmos, he would not have come up with better than such statements.
Damn, forbid Ragozin’s sic from making statements at all.

[nobody111body]

As you can see, Ragozin throws like jackals, if so then he is doing everything right or we can have Serdyukov better

[energoteknolog]

Another Terrible Lowing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What happened - we all understand, but we will not tell you anything.

I look at Rogozin - the mind chamber!

[vic02]

All clear. He will not say that the Americans are not offended. This is just the bottom of our policy.

[private person]

What happened - we all understand, but we will not tell you anything.

So why was it necessary for all the media to fan the news about the hole discovered? And the answer is simple, you don’t know what else, otherwise you definitely boasted.

[nikvic46]

It is a very great achievement that the robot shoots with two hands. The latest news from the ISS. Why did the first docking not take place. "The cable was loose, not connected." Is it possible to work this way? It would be better to be silent.