Russia has reduced investments in US securities to a minimum mark

Russia continues to plannedly reduce investments in government securities of the United States. According to the data of the US Ministry of Finance, the level of Russian investments fell by another 2,35 billion and reached the mark of 8,5 billion.

A report published by the US Treasury said that at the end of July this year, Russia had "on hand" US securities worth about 8,5 billion dollars. As of June 2019, Russia’s investments amounted to 10,85 billion. Thus, according to estimates, Russia reduced investments by 2,35 billion. Of this amount, 6,239 billion falls on long-term securities and 2,262 - on short-term ones.

Note that in recent years, Russia has been systematically getting rid of American securities. The maximum of Russian investments over the last 12 years was observed in the 2010 year - then they exceeded 170 billion. At the beginning of the 2018 year, their volume fell to 96,9 billion, in April investments fell to 48,7 billion, in May even to 14,9 billion, in June - 10,85 billion. and now they reached 8,5 billion dollars. This is the minimum amount since the spring of 2007. At the same time, Russia is steadily increasing its share of gold in the structure of international reserves - in July of this year it amounted to 101,9 billion dollars.

In 2018, the head of the Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, explained that Russia was withdrawing funds from US debt due to the "redistribution of international reserves." According to experts, this is due to increasing tension between the US and Russia and the tightening of anti-Russian sanctions.

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[Svarog]

And where is the money for the economy? We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Svarog

We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

LVIV is not interested in the opinion of food chicks

[Thrall]

Russia has reduced investments

Russia is systematically getting rid of

Russia withdraws funds

Yes, just GDP forbade the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Russia to buy US government bonds. And the fact that investments are reduced gradually - because these papers have different circulation periods from 1 month to 30 years. I do not think that they are feverishly being thrown off, losing profitability.

[Invoce]

In 2018, the head of the Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, explained that Russia was withdrawing funds from US debt due to the "redistribution of international reserves." According to experts, this is due to increasing tension between the US and Russia and the tightening of anti-Russian sanctions.

Quote: Thrall

Yes, just GDP forbade the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Russia to buy US government bonds. And the fact that investments are reduced gradually - because these papers have different circulation periods from 1 month to 30 years. I do not think that they are feverishly being thrown off, losing profitability.

There is an opinion that if the amers fail to unleash a full-scale conflict in the Middle East, Iran-Saudi Arabia-Israel-India-Pakistan-China ..., which with 100% probability should entail an increase in orders from the Amer military-industrial complex, and will hit Russia, then the Americans will introduce a single currency (Mexico-USA-Canada), they will forgive and forget about who they owe, maybe for a while, and will give it back later, if the country is lucky to live up to this deadline, but they will not forget those who owe them .. . in the wake of the general crisis and disruption of the economies will achieve their goals .. The only option is to gently get off this "dollar" express and switch to the "golden" ruble

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Invoce

There is such an opinion ...

REN TV

[Sanichsan]

um ... but in these circumstances, the evil Russians will take Alaska.

[2 Level Advisor]

and what to do with it?

[Sanichsan]

probably the same as with Kaliningrad and there are more resources there than in Kaliningrad.

[ltc35]

Lions take their own. I don’t know who, but the population of Russia is definitely not sitting on this money.

[yang174]

well done that deduce from amerskie candy wrappers, but where? somewhere? well them ... swear words further

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: yang174

well done that deduce from amerskie candy wrappers, but where? somewhere? well them ... swear words further

Gold purchases by Russia since the beginning of 2019 are breaking records
Details: https://regnum.ru/news/economy/2623025.html

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Gold purchases by Russia

Let's say you bought gold.
Who?
Where did the money go?
Bought for rubles or for bucks?
Did the seller take the money outside of Russia?

And what to do with this gold?
What the hell is it for?
How will this gold affect the development of the Russian economy?
And why doesn’t it affect now?
What should happen for this gold to influence the growth of the Russian economy?

Some questions.

Because the Dimon with friends is engaged in any garbage like a 4-day work week.
No one understands where and why the country is moving.

Bureaucracy did not see what light. There are more officials than in the USSR.
Everyone is mastering the budget. They fill up with money some pockets, some bags, some who store them on pallets, and some who hammer rooms into the ceiling. Depending on the position.

[Irokez]

Quote: Vladimir16

Some questions.

If you do not understand what and how everything works in a given period of time, then do not ask stupid questions.

[yang174]

enlighten us poor and miserable how gold works ...

[Irokez]

To do this, it is enough to read the general economy of both the country and the world as a whole. The problem is not in me, but in you, and if you need it, then look in the internet for lectures or films where even the smallest ones are trying to explain how everything works.

[yang174]

znazzza, you will dress in gold, and you will eat it.
and I don’t have to look nafig, I have a little economic theory, macro and microeconomics, as well as accounting studied. And you can continue to be in a flash of gold and savings, like a dragon, and not see anything around

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Irokez

then don’t ask stupid questions.

And you look understand.
Only your comprehension ended exactly on the fact that they could give birth:

Quote: Irokez

look for lectures or films on the internet

Bubbles and snot pouted and that’s all.

Not where without pontorez and balabol.

[the lord]

What do you understand in micro- and macroeconomics if you don’t understand why they buy gold into reserves or transfer reserves from currency to gold. Another crisis is forecasted in the near future, when currencies and securities will start to sausage. And gold is a great asset that helps mitigate problems as much as possible. Plus, it is protection against sanctions when our money was with them.

[yang174]

baby, at least at my level you begin to understand.
in a nutshell. infrastructure and people.
and you can translate from pieces of paper into metal, what are the benefits of that?
look at least economists, you can find something useful for yourself, the same Khazin with Glazyev

[the lord]

child-infrastructure and people are years and not the fact that they will withstand competition. And gold is gold forever. Situvina will be able to change. if we learn to mine gold among asteroids and on other planets. In the meantime, this is a limited resource. which means a good airbag. Glazyev can be read and read, but disaster (in the sense of a crisis with a recession) can happen soon and competitive superiority can happen only after decades, and that is not a fact.

[Galleon]

On the advice of the Indians, I looked for who owned the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation. They belong to the Central Bank. The government has nothing to do with this money, as does the state of the Russian Federation, which buys this gold. The Central Bank is accountable to its shareholders, but not to the state, but its direct governing body is the US Treasury. Look at the law on the Central Bank. It was adopted under Yeltsin as the striped advisers needed. So, really, why else buy debt? You can also reset, for the sake of the prestige of the internal.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Galleon

The Central Bank is accountable to its shareholders, but not to the state, but to its direct governing body. US Treasury

Man, your self-confidence is only comparable to your ignorance

Quote: Galleon

Look at the law on the Central Bank

Take a look. And find there, I beg

Quote: Galleon

... US Treasury

[Galleon]

What are you, what buddy I am to you - just another reader of VO, whom you tried to insult in response to his comment. You no longer notice how all your cues turned into cues of the near grumpy fly agaric - re-read them. You rinse one, then another. Therefore - pooh on you. There’s nothing else to expect from you. You think that I am illiterate: hold the drum, circle and step - march!

[Cat man null]

Oh, the nightingale's voice erupted (s)

Quote: Galleon

You think I'm illiterate

Moreover - I can easily prove it:

Quote: Galleon

The government has nothing to do with this money, like the state of the Russian Federationthat gold is buying

Dedicated - Delirium

Quote: Galleon

... The Central Bank is accountable to its shareholders, but not to the state, but to its direct governing body. The US Treasury ...

But this is all, completely and completely - nonsense.

Quote: Galleon

Look at the law on the Central Bank

You didn’t see him in the eye, but with a baaa-alsh aplomb here you talk about him. Who are you after that? Well, I don’t even know aaaaa (c)

Quote: Galleon

... ugh on you ... cruise and step - march ...

Thanks. Funny

Do not write nonsense, and nobody will touch you (and will not rinse). Everything is simple

[2 Level Advisor]

Mr. Roman-Kot, I am citing article 2 of the Federal Law on the central bank "The state is not responsible for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia is not responsible for the obligations of the state" "The Bank of Russia exercises the authority to own, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia. "
Then express your opinion about it, in the sense that the state rules the Central Bank! only specifically, and without "about a dream, we can say that this is not about a dream, but about a dream that a dream"

[Cat man null]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

... in the light of the fact that the state controls the Central Bank ...

... better suited, for example, Art. 12 of the same law:

12 Article. National Financial Council - a collegial body of the Bank of Russia

Look at your leisure, recommend.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

"The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia is not responsible for the obligations of the state" then express your opinion

And what, in fact, is there to "express"? This only means that no (external) claims on the RF state can be automatically redirected to the RF Central Bank, and vice versa. That gives additional, say, flexibility in responding to such, ahem, claims.

And all

[2 Level Advisor]

accordingly, from your words and the Law .. The Central Bank, regardless of the state, can pursue its policy and the state does not answer automatically for the Central Bank and vice versa .. what does it mean, in principle, it is independent of the state in its actions ...

as for the article 12 of the Law on the Central Bank mentioned by you (on the national financial council of the Central Bank (which includes all kinds of deputies and etc. in the number of 12 people) .. so .. the powers of this National Council are determined by article 13 of the Law .. the powers of this national The council is very general, in fact, it does not define anything .. it defines the concept of general development and listens to reports ... that is, it is just an observer body monitoring the general situation .. he does not take actual part in the activities of the Central Bank from the word at all ..

Based on the above, in terms of the level of state control, the Central Bank does not even reach the board of directors of Russian Railways, and the maximum that he can .. I quote the Law: "11) submission to the State Duma of proposals for an audit by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation of the financial and economic activities of the Bank of Russia, its structural divisions and institutions; "
those. "making proposals" is not a ban, not a check .. but proposals .. so the Roman about the fact that it is controlled by the US Treasury, of course, there is no evidence .. but about the fact that this body is freaking out as independent of the state is a fact, which is proved by the excerpts from Federal law.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

about the fact that this body go nuts as independent of the state-fact

No.

You see, I do not argue with those who believe. And you, it seems to me, are from such.

If it’s easier for you to think the way you think, this is your sovereign right

[2 Level Advisor]

Roman, I quoted the Law of the Russian Federation adopted by the State Duma of the Russian Federation and that’s all, and you expectedly left saying that I came up with the law, made up my mind, believed in something, etc ... however, I confess I expected you to jump off earlier because . do not like facts, as well as those who say things that you don’t like, even if it is a proven / recognized fact / Law ... for that I’m taking my leave, I was expecting, I heard how I hope my colleagues also, who have recently been in and trying to To discuss with you

[Cat man null]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

... the powers of this national council are very general, in fact, it does not determine anything .. defines the concept of general development and listens to reports ... that is, it is just an observer body monitoring the general situation .. he does not take actual participation in the activities of the Central Bank from the word quite ...

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I quoted the Law of the Russian Federation adopted by the State Duma of the Russian Federation and all

You quote yourself mostly

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I confess I expected you to jump off earlier because don't like facts

I do not like it when "facts" are not only "close to the text", but also tongue-tied

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

for sim, I take off what I expected, I heard how I hope colleagues too, who have recently been to VO and are trying to discuss with you

Clear. Polite treatment, you began to be, you don’t understand ... well, well - as they say - you don’t want it in a bad way - it will be worse in a good way

[2 Level Advisor]

so the refutation where I made a mistake in the text of the Law specifically, be so kind? (politely addressing?) I mean I quote the text of the law, analyze, draw conclusions .. but you just don’t like something, so you won’t answer my specific conclusions, and, as a result, you give a little support, and something will be worse with me .. it’s not interesting for me to talk with you Roman .. I’ll finish this event and go to sleep .. otherwise trolls will dream .. well, him ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I will finish this event and go to sleep ..

Correct solution

Good night, good night
I wish you to see a donkey and a goat.
Donkey - until midnight, goat - until morning,
Good night, good night ...

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

otherwise trolls will dream ..

Are you afraid of trolls? Mirrors in the house curtain, it will help you, I know

Come again ... you're funny.

[Terenin]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

what does it mean, in principle, independent

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

(which includes all kinds of deputies, etc.)

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

in fact, it does not define anything .. defines the concept of general development

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

about the fact that it is controlled by the US Treasury, of course, there is no evidence ..

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

as evidenced by my excerpts from the Federal Law

Vasya n, answer only one question, so when did Irina Volk get the rank of general major?

Level 2 Advisor (Vasya N) September 9, 2019 14:20
+2
The first general sisters appeared in the USA
our roofing felts .. for example, Major General Irina Volk

[2 Level Advisor]

And you, Gennady, did you open the Law on the Central Bank or did you decide to simply sketch it? give an example where I QUOTE from it was mistaken? that you copied my conclusions on the basis of the text of the Law, what proves? what are my conclusions? so I don’t argue .. if you exchange opinions, you have to express yours according to the text of the law or refute mine, and not just repeat mine .. usually for your information, people talk like that

[yang174]

train yet to meet

[A good one]

What are you talking about, smiling Don’t bring trouble on yourself.

[yang174]

I have never heard an expression: a drum on the neck and an electric train to meet?
don't you laugh at the circus?
flat thinking ....

[Vladimir_6]

And what to do with this gold?

We are talking about gold, as the accounting unit of the new second closed circuit of the economy of natural values. This will be a stability circuit, where investments tied through the weight of gold to nature will receive a return with a profit also in kind.
Read more at https://www.devyatov.su/articles/251-nebopolitika/53636-vpered-v-novy-valjutny-mir

https://www.devyatov.su/articles/251-nebopolitika/53636-vpered-v-novy-valjutny-mir

[Invoce]

They invested labor or Russia's GDP (surplus resources) in gold, in order to convert them into resources again

[yang174]

cool position .... buy gold, and look at kindergartens, schools, hospitals built in the years 60-70s ... and discuss accidents in a head-on collision when leaving for an oncoming lane on roads that do not correspond to categories. huh? well, sit with gold, see how annually at 200k minus the population decreases, even without taking into account the issued citizenship.

solid positive, buy gold and I will look at it

[Oleg123219307]

And what do you think should be done with international reserves? Just criticizing economic policy is very easy, especially considering that most of the macroeconomics and its laws are not studied at school and, accordingly, people's ideas about it as their own wallet. There is so much that can be done then. I am not against such an approach, although it’s quite childish, but maybe you have reasonable options?

[Den717]

Quote: oleg123219307

Just criticizing economic policy is very easy, especially considering that most of the macroeconomics and its laws are not studied at school and, accordingly, people's ideas about it as their own wallet.

Bravo!

[signifera]

I have an idea. Need a bridge to Yakutsk. In summer, ferry, winter on ice, spring and autumn, helicopters, air bags, expensive ferries (a truck to and fro under 400 thousand in November to carry across the river), and in the spring on your own fear on thin ice. But Yakutia has long been a part of Russia, you must see that you secede first, and then return through a referendum so that people are remembered. And do not have hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of tons of gold. It’s easier than Crimean. At least paid, but to be. And also two-lane tracks around the country, so that people do not crash in head-on collisions and can drive normally, rather than sawing 50km / h behind an overloaded lantern, because of which you cannot see the oncoming traffic, even with the left-hand drive, even with the right-hand drive. And a lot of things are needed.

[AU Ivanov.]

In order not to fight in the windshields, it is enough to comply with traffic rules, and with this we are tight. You look at individual vampires: either there is no brain, or immortal.

[SOF]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

In order not to fight in the frontal, it’s enough to observe traffic rules,

... have you tried 180 km to the neighboring city to "go" 70% of the way at a speed of 70 km / h? ....
... but have you ever traveled half the country, observing all traffic rules ...?
.... yes, a colleague is right - to live in a country with an area of ​​1/6 of the planet and move on wheels on it, then traffic rules alone are NOT enough for security! .... it's elementary - if there is no one on your way strip, then the probability of a windshield is about zero ....

[AU Ivanov.]

You know, it happened. Once or twice a week I run from St. Petersburg to Novgorodskaya. 350 one way. 90-110, I don't go faster. Not a single "letter of happiness" over the past 10 years, although there are bulk cameras. And we manage to fly over the dividing barrier. And I don’t know why build a four-lane road with a traffic of 50-60 cars per hour? On them it is enough to turn on the head and DO NOT FLY. Walk calmly in your lane and everything will be covered in chocolate.

[ltc35]

This is when you have a time car, or everything is planned, or you are a convinced perfectionist, then yes.

[AU Ivanov.]

No, I just got into a ditch in my youth, since then I haven’t been chasing. Life, she teaches. It’s a pity not all.

[region58]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Life, she teaches.

Either old or bold. As an everywhere. Old and brave rarely turns out ...

[not main]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

You know, it happened. Once or twice a week I run from St. Petersburg to Novgorodskaya. 350 one way. 90-110, I don't go faster. Not a single "letter of happiness" over the past 10 years, although there are bulk cameras. And we manage to fly over the dividing barrier. And I don’t know why build a four-lane road with a traffic of 50-60 cars per hour? On them it is enough to turn on the head and DO NOT FLY. Walk calmly in your lane and everything will be covered in chocolate.

But the alignment is sad! About 35% vodyatly! I took this from the pros and cons of the commentary.

[SOF]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

350 one way. 90-110

... and you carefully read what I wrote? ...... if in a nutshell, then you 350 drive faster than I do 180, given the fact that I have a "federal", filled with technical transport, in an abundance of people working on both sides of the highway, and therefore all 70% of the highway, 180 km away, is a continuous strip ...
... and now, let’s imagine for a second that both you and I have at least two lanes in one direction, even without fenders in the middle ..... how much your path, in time, will become shorter, how much mine ..... and .... how much less likely will there be terrible accidents occurring, as a rule, in an attempt to go around a tractor with firewood with decent traffic .....

[yang174]

you can’t understand ... well, you bought gold, reserves are growing. And where are the roads? And on the roads, well, I’m just unlucky with the people again. Buy bad water in the plumbing, buy a filter.
not to explain to them, common sense is not enough there

[Gardamir]

then the probability of a windshield

Not necessarily frontal

By the way, at the same time about investment and no money.

[Oleg123219307]

Is there any detailed information on the design of such a bridge and its economic need? Not just media through Yandex, but local forums or discussions. If there is a link, I’m from Krasnodar myself, and I’m not up to date on the issues of Yakutia, but it would be very interesting to read.

[yang174]

Reconstruction or newly built sewage treatment plants for clean water in water supply systems, is it economically necessary? Or, again, will the comment be-buy a filter?

[signifera]

I won’t give a link, I don’t sit on the forums, sorry. Now, if just humanly and in numbers. You have in Krasnodar, but there is a river and several bridges across it. And if they were not? So for several months of the year you will not be able to move from coast to coast, or to fly / sail for a very expensive one. About any trips there is no question, if you cross the river. And yet there is no railway connection in the city, then there is no bridge, the train will not reach. Imagine the cost of goods in stores and tickets for passengers? Should I deliver food on planes? I was engaged in cargo transportation, including to Yakutia. The wagon fell into the black lane and, due to breakdowns, was late for the usual ferry, not 25tr came out on the icebreaker, but about 400 thousand plus for the transportation, which cost the same. And I was traveling from Novosibirsk. In my opinion there is still some expediency. Even be paid. And even later, helicopters, airbags, but it’s not really expensive, it’s easier to pay fines and wait for January and the winter road. All this affects the prices in stores and the costs of everything else. It is necessary to make stocks of fuel, food, medicine and everything for the period of closing of the crossing. This is also costly. Not to mention the comfortable living of people and the connection with the mainland. There really is not much to build. The problem is complex soil, permafrost, swamps, but a verdict that is impossible is not. There is simply no money, and yes, they themselves are somehow there ...)))

[Oleg123219307]

Yes, the problem is familiar. It’s not so fatal with us, 2 bridges and a dam, but it’s still worth blocking at least one for repairs and hello comes to the whole city. And how do the authorities justify the refusal to build? Isn't it about the idea that it should be so expensive?

[signifera]

The argument is simple, no money. Everything is at the design stage. It seems like the Chinese wanted to build or they wanted to attract, so far nothing. Plus the ferry mafia, they row well. Passenger boats on pillows too. I remember they were ordered to lower prices and carry at the indicated tariff, they refused and nothing has changed. I myself am not from there, I haven’t stopped in for a year and a half, it’s just very expensive to deliver goods at cost price and there’s always a problem with the crossing, I didn’t have time for a day and that’s all, it flew into huge expenses. In my opinion, no less important than the Crimean one, and the price is several times less, if not tens. Since they want to build up to Japan, then here they generally have two times)

[aybolyt678]

Quote: oleg123219307

but maybe you have reasonable options?

I will try! I always push the idea of ​​tightly linking the ruble to a kilowatt of electricity. How do you like it?

[Mestny]

This is in the future, electricity will become the currency - after the invention of efficient storage methods.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Mestny

This is in the future, electricity will become the currency - after the invention of efficient storage methods.

not at all necessary. The point is not in accumulation, but in the new standard. Which does not depend on stock market speculators, emission centers, whims of bankers, etc ...

[Oleg123219307]

The cost of electricity varies greatly even with a lag of 12 hours. Do you know how many night buyers and day sellers of the ruble will breed?)

[aybolyt678]

will not breed. if the ruble is pegged to the daily kilowatt.

[Saul_Rhen]

The system will not work on such crutches. Absolutely.

[aybolyt678]

and now we have a system? or are we part of someone’s system working against us? I think the second

[Saul_Rhen]

In addition to the slogans you need to have a brain. The lion's share of the effort will be spent on regulating production and distribution. What will happen to your system in case of jumps in electricity prices due to a change in the prevailing methods for generating it? With excess production? With rising fuel prices? With an increase in the share of private generators? In case of accidents? With speculation of the Criminal Code?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Saul_Rhen

What will happen to your system in case of jumps in electricity prices due to a change in the prevailing methods for generating it?

thanks for the question. Electricity price spikes will only occur on currency exchanges, relative to other currencies. Inside the country, the emission center of the energy ruble, prices will jump only from the effectiveness of a particular method of generating electricity and energy-saving technologies. Inflation surges for ordinary consumers will be invisible. Therefore, prices will fall relative to salaries, I think

[Saul_Rhen]

Electricity price spikes will only be on currency exchanges

and right there

Domestic prices will jump only on the effectiveness of a particular method of generating electricity

I don’t even know how to comment on this. Those. prices will not jump, but they will. Did I understand correctly?

[Oleg123219307]

There is also a weekly lag, seasonal, annual ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: oleg123219307

There is also a weekly lag, seasonal, one-year ..

take the unit most expensive or average. In any case, the same amount of kilowatts is spent on baking a loaf of bread at least a week, even for an average year. therefore, a loaf of bread will cost one kilowatt hour. Even if you will bake it in a home oven, its market value will still be one kilowatt hour.

[Oleg123219307]

The price of a product today is determined not so much by the measure of the effort expended on production (energy, time, resources) as by the ratio of supply and demand for the product. You can sell a product at a cost of a ruble for 1000 rubles (kilowatt hour according to you) if there are 10 times more people who want to buy it than offers of goods. The basic principle of a market economy, thanks to which 8-10 levels of intermediaries are fed in all production and consumer chains. Today in the real sector 6-8% of people are actually employed, and accordingly 6-8% of the price of the goods for the buyer is approximately the cost. Deviations of + -10% are possible, but they do not fundamentally change anything. Be attached even to a kilowatt, even to gold, even to a Zimbabwean tugrik ... The speculative part of the economy will remain, as long as there are people who believe that it is normal to overpay in order to take possession of the desired product. That is, apparently forever, before the introduction of something like replicators.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: oleg123219307

Be attached even to kilowatts, even to gold, even to the Zimbabwean tugrik ...

there have been precedents in history when wars ended with permission to circulate someone else's coins in the country. And the circulation of someone else's coin in the country turned it into a colony.
Therefore, you need to become attached to what you have - your gold, your production, or energy.

Quote: oleg123219307

The price of a product is determined today not so much by a measure of effort,

you are absolutely right! . But we are not talking about price, but about value, where the cost is the energy embodied in the product and the price is only a market form of value regulated by supply and demand. I repeat a loaf of bread is always a kilowatt hour of energy. Even if its firewood is hot even in the sun and its market price will be a ruble!

[Cat man null]

Quote: aybolyt678

I repeat a loaf of bread is always a kilowatt hour of energy. Though her wood fires even in the sun its market price will be ruble

Not a market price. Cost price.

What will happen to the market price - you have just been explained in detail.

[aybolyt678]

I agree, I made a reservation

[Cat man null]

Quote: aybolyt678

I made a reservation

According to Freud. Anyway.

And tell me, what does this conditionally constant cost price give everyone? Conditionally, because the technique has the ability to improve, energy consumption - to decline. And in the market they trade not only with buns ... but it doesn’t matter.

You recorded the cost, and what did it give me, a simple buyer?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Cat Man Null

You recorded the cost, and what did it give me, a simple buyer?

I even opened the primer, capital is called. it turns out that we have fixed the total energy consumption, I think Marx would call this a form of value. You are a simple buyer, a victim of consumer ideology, and a participant in the process of production of consumer goods manufactured for sale (goods), You have rubles that are always equal to a unit of electricity, on the shelves are goods prices for which today mainly depend on the "market" or, more precisely, on foreign exchange quotes, which are a kind of economic weapon. The currency of the country that is the most stable and predictable will immediately become in demand and take its place in the foreign exchange reserves of various countries, exchanges, etc. That is, the stability of such a currency will be ensured by the aggregate wealth of those countries that have it. And this is the sovereignty of the country of the emission center. Look at the situation not as a buyer but as a citizen of the country, to begin with.
Inflation is a way of robbing the inhabitants of the Earth. Today you will buy a car for a million, tomorrow also a worse car, the difference in the security of currencies settles in the emission center, for these funds they print new money and give them loans to rob further. A country whose citizens receive a constant salary per unit of labor, say kilocalories will not feel the world inflation spike.With regard to currencies, the price of electricity will jump on us, of course on the exchange. Introduces energy costs worldwide means prices are falling in our stores here is the answer, perhaps, as a simple buyer a little messy, but thanks if you read

[Cat man null]

Quote: aybolyt678

Introduces energy costs worldwide means prices are falling in our stores

Again - it is not the price that "falls", but the cost price. Cost price.

Try again (s)

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Conditionally, because the technique has the ability to improve, energy consumption - to decline.

as a result of the processes announced by you, the currency firmly tied to the price of state electricity will receive the filling of purchasing power. However, as a result of the rise in price of exhaustible resources, the reverse process occurs. In general, such a currency will be independent of world inflation.

Quote: Cat Man Null

Once again, it is not the price that "falls", but the cost price. Cost price.

the concept of cost and price are closely related. It is generally agreed that price is equal to cost plus margin. Thus, when the cost drops, the price will fall.

[Cat man null]

Quote: aybolyt678

when the cost decreases, the price will fall ...

... or grow walrus

That's it, I'm tired. I am a fly fly

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Cat Man Null

.. or grow walrus

yes, let’s get rich .... In my opinion, you don’t understand the difference between the basic concepts of cost and cost. And this difference lies in the fact that the cost can be measured in money, in energy, in man-hours, in grams of gold, ton-kilometers ... and the cost is only in money. In our reality, the dollar is the bridge between value and cost. An alternative to the joker dollar is offered a specific kilowatt hour, printed on paper or entered on a bank card.

[Ingvar 72]

And kitty, go on! Rising price, rising cost. Cost decreases, the price should fall. All this should be monitored by the state, in the person of the antimonopoly service. As in Italy in particular. Yes kitty?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ingvar 72

All this should be monitored by the state, in the person of the antimonopoly service. As in Italy in particular. Yes kitty?

Or believe in God! hope for someone else’s conscience? Actually, these are your questions beyond the discussion, I suppose

[Cat man null]

Quote: aybolyt678

I always push the idea of ​​tightly linking the ruble to a kilowatt of electricity. How do you like it?

To be honest - I'm already sickened.

They explained here to you recently why this is nonsense. Really did not get it?

[aybolyt678]

Didn’t get it. The current system when the amount of circulating money is tied to gold reserves also, you know, not nonsense but harm, it is considered normal.

[Irokez]

Quote: aybolyt678

I always push the idea of ​​tightly linking the ruble to a kilowatt of electricity. How do you like it?

Correctly. I also somehow wondered what to use as a standard values ​​for the global economy and different countries as a whole.
Electricity is the energy on the basis of which there is production and the benefits of mankind, but energy is not only in this, but also in gas, oil, firewood, coal and even ocean waves and the wind with the sun. In addition, natural resources and renewable resources such as food and natural materials such as wood, fabric and the like are also valuable.
Therefore, in view of the wide variety of natural values, it is not possible to make one single standard of value and, accordingly, the basis of values ​​for the world economy will probably have to be built on the basis of several key points of support (values) and each country will have a set of values ​​(currency) that it can produce, trade and change to others that she needs to exist. And most importantly, there should not be a monopoly on values ​​because the law of equality, justice and the possibility of development of each country on equal terms is violated.
Electricity can be extracted from oil, gas, coal, a nuclear power plant, the sun, wind, waves, and so on, and accordingly the value of electricity depends on many factors and resources that one country has in abundance and another one is in short supply and accordingly there is an imbalance in the level of development and equality with respect to others.
In addition, it is necessary to exclude from the future economy of the world such phenomena as globalism and monopalism that strongly affect equality and the ability to develop for everyone, and not just those who have captured the basic world values ​​or created them and force them to impose parasites on everyone.
If we talk about the future of the economy, then Russia needs to create several currencies for trade with the world, for example:
- An energy ruble (for example, Rue) for the trade in all the energy resources that exist in our country (oil, gas, electricity, kWh, coal, etc.).
- the food ruble (for example, Rupe) sell all of the food products for this currency.
- the resource ruble (for example, the Ruhr) is extracted all non-energy and non-food concentrated in it well, for example, ore, and the same tree, gold, as well as already processed mineral ingredients.
Well, let’s say we have such a currency and in the world the same is like an analog and all 1: 1 in terms of so that there are no courses like 1:70 and the like. If the state can ensure the production of such products, then let them make and sell like everyone else, and this should be legal for everyone and equally without exception, as well as the prohibition of reselling the resources of one manufacturer to another through intermediaries or more than one reseller, but at a minimum wrap.
Further, the global body (which will include representatives of all countries on an equal footing) will introduce coefficients and rates between the main currencies (for the conversion, exchange and correspondence of one currency with another) and this will be like an official exchange of some currencies to others.
Well, somehow it seems, something similar for the future, but it seems to me that there can not be any one value in the world because the world is diverse and not all values ​​are valuable in different parts of the world and therefore they will take it to whom or sell.
Well, the political arrangement of countries and the system in the countries must be brought to a more just, truly popular (not today's democratic) and subjugate the minority to the majority (not like right now the minority controls the majority). In a complex way it is necessary to solve the problem of arranging the whole world, and if you try to implement it pointwise, then what the hell will work. Moreover, the system of private property that exists in such an ugly form as it is now, is removed and applied something else when a person simply can’t earn or save as much as he can’t do with his own labor, for example, in 100 years of his life. Although this leveling is considered, it is honest and fair that does not allow parasites on ordinary people and deceive those who work honestly.
In general, the issue of values ​​is very complex as well as what will happen in the future.

[region58]

Quote: yang174

well done that derive from amerskimi candy wrappers, but where?

Quote: oleg123219307

criticizing economic policy is very easy

Here, as they say, "not everything is so simple" (c). On the one hand, I want to save money from inflation, on the other hand, American securities (the same Treasuries) have very high liquidity - that is, they can be sold in almost a split second without a loss in value. It's tempting. Think about it ...

[yang174]

it depends on the buns in time and goals.
and what is the goal of our power-holders, I began to doubt a couple of years how they want a strong state with a strong and satisfied (well-off in every sense) people, definitely not

[Svarog]

Quote: oleg123219307

And what do you think should be done with international reserves?

In my opinion, money should work. What do we have nowhere to invest? Let's start with our own small and medium-sized businesses, remove taxes from production workers in general, they provide jobs, give them cheap loans for development, and the economy will come to life. We now have the cheapest labor in the world, I remember that our liberal did not have enough to start selling abroad ...
It is vital to develop electronics, the pharmaceutical industry, but don’t spit it, all sectors are deep with us .. Set priorities and work.

[Ka-52]

remove taxes from production at all

have been through this already. As a result, money was simply laundered through such tax holes.

own medium and small business .... production

give them cheap development loans

Svarog, come back to reality, you need not only to yell at the barricades, but also be interested in what is happening in the economy - a program of preferential lending to SMEs already exists.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ka-52

... you need not only to yell at the barricades ...

... well, wrestlers can’t do anything else ... moreover, they have barricades - they are usually made of sofas

[Oleg123219307]

We have where to invest. But this also needs to be done wisely. I will say taxes as a person who has his own small business, an unpleasant thing, but by no means the most important obstacle to development. Much worse is weak demand, Chinese competition, a lack of qualified personnel and a legal vacuum on many issues. You can give cheap loans. The question is to whom, how much, and on what terms. I think that our business and the population are over-credited. In our country, there is still almost no culture of small and medium-sized businesses, which means that most of these loans will flow down the toilet, leaving people without pants and without a business ... Well, about the cheapest one. If it were so gentlemen, guest workers would not have come to us in such herds. I agree. Electronics and pharmaceutical industry are needed. If we just have an ass with the pharmaceutical industry, then there is no electronics, and never will be. At least competitive. We have missed too much, the market leaders are now investing too much money in development. More than our entire budget. It is not worth it in our case to chase them. But how do you understand to develop the economy simply by pouring money into it? Like "Here's Vasya from the street 5 billion build an electronic instrument-making plant in Vorkuta?" And do not care who, how and why will work on it, where the materials will come from, where to put the products, and so on ... We have already given a huge loan for the restoration of the Sedin machine-tool plant in Krasnodar. So what ... We built 2 new buildings, bought equipment. hired people and THEN attended to the search for orders. Total - bankruptcy, mass layoffs and the sale of new, never worked machines at auction ... It always happens if you spend money without thinking. The economic sector is a complex complex. Manufacturing is only a small part of it. It is necessary to create in parallel a system of personnel training, jobs, a system of sales and distribution of products, and also somehow compete with foreign counterparts, it is necessary to create a management system, well, or to involve private business, but then do not cry later when some kind of Rosneft suddenly turns out to be not at all absolutely state ... I do not argue with you, it is necessary and correct to invest in the development of our own economy. But saying it is much easier than doing it.

[yang174]

sales system? in a market economy?
you can sell everything, and everyone wants to buy. it’s like between the wheel and the seat. we have a country of deferred demand

[Oleg123219307]

Well, from the point of view of a completely market economy, the products of the undeveloped industries in our country today will be completely uncompetitive for many years, both in quality, during the operating hours of the production culture, and at prices until large-scale sustainable production is achieved. And if you don’t have to worry about the demand in advance, you will simply squander money ...

[yang174]

I understand that investing in science = squandering money? for example, the fight against ticks, there biological methods for example ...
well, or any other topic. not always research gives the result at all, and even financially pays off all the more. You don’t need to invest

[Oleg123219307]

Do not confuse warm with soft. Investments in basic science are, in the first place, aimed at the long-term perspective, and secondly, have always been scanty in comparison with the budgets of applicants and production workers. And investments in applied science such as the fight against ticks are needed for specific economic or social tasks. If you just spend all the money today on science, then tomorrow we will find ourselves with a bunch of inapplicable due to the lack of a production knowledge base. If everything is invested in production, without thinking where to put the product, and how to make it competitive, there will be simple enterprises, unprofitability and bankruptcy. If you invest in other people's securities there will be quick money, but the most serious risks will be lost in one moment. We need a balance of science, production, social programs, external investments. Moreover, the balance is dynamic and competent ...

[yang174]

exaggerated, agree
Well, then you can safely invest hundreds of billions. Well, I’m gry country of deferred demand.

[region58]

Quote: oleg123219307

Like "Here's Vasya from the street 5 billion build an electronic instrument-making plant in Vorkuta?"

Quote: oleg123219307

BECAUSE bother with the search for orders

I remembered something about Liotech ...

[SSR]

Quote: Svarog

. We now have the cheapest labor in the world,

And the best work culture?
The Chinese had an abundance of cheap power slaves, but from the power slaves they switch to high-tech industries and they have in demand specialists with the appropriate education.
Ours began to follow this path relatively recently. I know the situation, since working at a high-tech enterprise, I see how they work with universities for specialists in the field of exact sciences and computer science.
In our department there are two girls 30 years old and both husbands are programmers and 15 years ago, they would be financiers or lawyers.

[lucul]

In our department there are two girls 30 years old and both husbands are programmers and 15 years ago, they would be financiers or lawyers. wassat

Do not tell me - it means there are such programmers))))
Without a mathematical mindset - you will never become an intelligent programmer ....

[Cat man null]

Quote: lucul

Without a mathematical mindset - you will never become an intelligent programmer ...

Learn to read:

Quote from S.S.R.

and 15 years ago, would be financiers or lawyers

The person said that the profession of a programmer is now more popular than a financier or a lawyer. The thesis is not certain, but that’s what it is said. And where does your

Quote: lucul

Do not make me laugh - it means there are such programmers

please tell me?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Svarog

give them cheap loans

cheap loans will not help our production until the dollar exchange rate is set by bankers on the stock exchange and not by the state committee. The existing exchange rate ensures the attractiveness of imports.

[krops777]

Set priorities and work.

Golden words, but what about overproduction, demand, "effective" management, no gold reserves will be enough.

[voyaka uh]

"What do you think needs to be done with international reserves?" ///
----
This is not an easy task. Despite the large domestic public debt of the United States, the dollar is the strongest currency (of major currencies). The euro is swaying, the yuan has fallen sharply. Gold is growing, but it is associated with the dollar and depends on the dollar. America can arrange a collapse of the gold exchange, if it wants.
They invest in US bonds because it is the only thing that gives a small but stable profit.

[Okolotochny]

And why are you minus the warrior? The man told the truth. The United States and created a similar financial and economic world system, in any case to remain in the black.

[lucul]

And why are you minus the warrior?

Engaged in soft propaganda .....

[Okolotochny]

What kind of propaganda? He said today's realities! I am not saying that it is good, it is bad. But it is so.

[vadson]

Well, gold will fall by 3-5-10 years, then it will win back anyway, it will not rust. here is the prospect of long-term profit

[lucul]

America can arrange a collapse of the gold exchange, if it wants.

I beg of you ))))
It is enough to ask America to show its 8 tons of gold - and that’s all, the collapse of the entire global economy is provided))))

[Cat man null]

Quote: voyaka uh

Invest in US bonds because it is the only thing that gives a small but stable profit

Correctly. I will add: and they come out of these bonds when the potential political risks of such an investment begin to outweigh this very small profit

[aybolyt678]

Quote: voyaka uh

They invest in US bonds because it is the only thing that gives a small but stable profit.

The profit you are talking about is just the inflationary component of the dollar. Officially, the dollar loses 2,5 percent of its purchasing power. If you look at long-term statistics, taking into account jumps, then it comes out just in the amount of "profit"

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: voyaka uh

They invest in US bonds because it is the only thing that gives a small but stable profit.

You are wrong Alex. Compare the rise in the price of gold over the past 10-20 years, and interest on treasuries. Investors in gold 10 years ago now have more investors in treasury. And it’s okay anymore. It is a fact.

[lucul]

And what do you think should be done with international reserves?

Well, what to do - open import lines to Russia and see what we can import substitute. I don’t take into account what we can’t have - like bananas and pineapples, but we can easily do the machine tool building, construction equipment and other things ourselves.

[yang174]

don't care grow up
Samglav was withdrawn from amer debts to other debts or deposits such as France

[aybolyt678]

Quote: lucul

what we can’t have - like bananas and pineapples, but we can easily do the machine tool building, construction equipment, etc.

In Stalin's time, it was planned to build an oasis where there, in the Syr Darya region of the Amu Darya, for growing bananas and other things .... Machine tool construction is possible only with the help of foreign experts, we do not have our own. Construction equipment without state involvement cannot be made competitive either. Like it or not, socialism is needed again.

[AU Ivanov.]

Under socialism, competitive goods were produced once, twice and miscalculated. Closed market. As soon as it was opened, so the majority of domestic products ceased to be in demand. Low quality, technical backwardness. Therefore, the enterprises were closed.

[AA17]

Dear Oleg. How to apply money for the benefit of the people is. But who will give this money?
"... The Bauman Moscow State Technical University has developed a system for checking the safety of hydroelectric power plants. Scientists walked around the offices, asked to implement it. It is useless. By the way, they came to RusHydro even before the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station. They answered that first we need to deal with Then, during the accident, 75 people died. This is how the engineers still go about. In Russia, millions of people live in the zone of possible flooding due to the breakthrough of a hydroelectric power station, there are a number of nuclear facilities ... . "(Funeral cancan over Russian science 30.01.2014/2014/01) https://narodsobor.ru/30/19188/6/1-poxoronnyj-kankan-nad-rossijskoj-naukoj/#.UuulzfsXNUMXLsXNUMX

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: oleg123219307

I am not against such an approach, although it’s quite childish, but maybe you have reasonable options?

Yes, money should work. Inside the economy in particular. Job Creation, Industrialization 2.0. All this should happen with the tightening of responsibility for non-targeted spending and embezzlement of funds.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ingvar 72

All this should happen with the tightening of responsibility for non-targeted spending and embezzlement of funds.

First, introduce criminal liability for failure to fulfill election promises, or at least a simplified mechanism for recalling a deputy or a vote.

[Nycomed]

"Where is the money for the economy?"
What a short memory you have, it was said: "Music notes, but you hold on!"

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Svarog

And where is the money for the economy? We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

So we need money in a zashashnik, for the next slap .. ugh, jerk.

[Piramidon]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

So money is needed in a zashashnik

I remember when they were put into a little box called the "stabilization fund". Nobody can really explain where this fund and money are now. Where have you gone? What have you stabilized?

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: DEPHIHTO

So money is needed in a zashashnik

I remember when they were put into a little box called the "stabilization fund". Nobody can really explain where this fund and money are now. Where have you gone? What have you stabilized?

,, Where's the dengi? In the bags! Where are the bags? .... ,, (c) What cute sleek faces of the vertical representatives ...

[voyaka uh]

"" stabilization fund ". Where is this fund now" ////
-----
He was exhausted at the end of 2018.
His money paid the external debts of the state, state corporations and banks.
It was enough for 4 years of crisis, as was calculated during its formation. But the crisis did not end - because of the sanctions that cut off all the possibilities for Russia to borrow currency from foreign banks.

[lucul]

But the crisis did not end - because of the sanctions that cut off all the possibilities for Russia to borrow currency from foreign banks.

Why take them? Could you tell ? Or because it is taught in the HSE?)))
I’ll give you a good example of this: let’s say I work, I earned money in a month - I immediately bought dollars for the entire salary and set aside (analogue of the stabilization fund), and for cash (I need to live) I go to the bank and I take a loan to live - nonsense, right?

[voyaka uh]

"Why borrow them? Do not tell me?" ///
-----
I’ll tell you, of course.
To build a new large plant, for example. The budget is usually not enough. He goes on salaries, on pensions, on military purchases, on education.
Large projects usually take long-term bank loans. Under the guarantee of the state (its gold and foreign exchange reserves - they are kept for this purpose).
No credit - no factory. Very simple.

[lucul]

I’ll tell you, of course.

I'm all attention

To build a new large plant, for example. The budget is usually not enough. He goes on salaries, on pensions, on military purchases, on education.

So for this, there is the Stabilization Fund and other funds.

Large projects usually take long-term bank loans.

The state - the state organization may not give out a loan - but give an interest-free loan.

No credit - no factory. Very simple.

And how was it under Stalin that thousands of factories were built without credit? )))
And the simplest question is - where did the bank get the money from - to lend to the whole country? ))))
I will answer with a simple joke:
How to get 1 million dollars from the air?
Very simple - you need to come to the bank and get a loan of $ 1 million there. )))
It was not at the bank - not at your place, but now both you and the bank have it. The bank just drew these fiat pieces of paper)))

[Cat man null]

Quote: lucul

And the simplest question ...

... and the simplest answer: stop shaming already.

I’m never a fan of the Warriors, but in this case - he tells you the absolutely right things. And you, having no idea about the subject (that is, in general!) - just flood.

Not good

[lucul]

... and the simplest answer: stop shaming already.

Indeed - he leads propaganda - you sing along to him.
Everything's clear with you.

[Cat man null]

Quote: lucul

Everything's clear with you

Man, Warrior is at least two orders of magnitude more competent than you.

Do not bother arguing where you don’t think anything good.

This is good advice.

[lucul]

This is advice, good yes.

But the fact that ?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Cat Man Null

And you, having no idea about the subject (that is, in general!) - just flood.

You flood Kitty, and godlessly. Vitaly is just about the topic, about finance. The topic is just about them. In your same stupid (no mind in them) comments on the topic. And this is the flood, Kisa.
The warrior really has no logic - "the money of the stabilization fund is needed to provide loans." Nakoy horseradish (plant) Kitty, take out a loan if you have money yourself? Oh, non-fanatics? Don't disgrace yourself with your weak "processor".

[AU Ivanov.]

How did Stalin build factories without loans? Here you are mistaken:
In 1925, Germany granted the USSR a short-term loan of 100 million marks, in April 1926, Germany opened a credit line for the USSR in the amount of 300 million marks for a period of 4 years. In 1931, Germany granted the USSR another loan (tied credit) in the amount of 300 million marks for a period of 21 months. In 1935, a consortium of German banks granted a Soviet credit to the Soviet trade mission in Berlin in the amount of 200 million marks. Thus, officially for 9 years the USSR received loans from Germany for 900 million marks, which is about 300-320 million US dollars. The annual percentage of these loans was 6% (for a 1935 loan - 5%). The last loan in the amount of 150 million marks has not been repaid.

In addition to the USA and Germany, loans to the USSR were provided by:

Great Britain (annually lending in the late 20s and the first half of the 30s) Soviet purchases in the amount of up to £ 20-25 million In 1936, England granted the USSR a loan of 10 million pounds.
Czechoslovakia provided the USSR in 1935 with a loan of 250 million kroons (6% per annum).
Italy - a loan of 200 million lire for Soviet purchases in 1930 and 350 million lire in 1931.
Sweden in 1940 granted the USSR a loan of 100 million kroons.
Plus compulsory loans from the population. Plus the robbery of farmers, the use of forced labor and the planned decline in the standard of living of the population: low salaries and curtailment of the social sphere. Introduction at the end of the thirties of tuition fees in high schools and universities. Without this, industrialization would not have been possible. Nothing new, as always at the expense of the people.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Here you are mistaken:

What were the loans taken for, Andrey? I will tell you - to purchase equipment, machines, technologies for factories under construction. where is all this now? Where are even the smallest attempts to get off the oil needle and launch a real import substitution program? Where?

[AU Ivanov.]

Who will sell import substitution? To build an enterprise is not a thing, but who will buy its products, with rare exceptions? Unless, of course, barrage duties for similar imported goods are introduced.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Who will sell import substitution?

And we do not have a domestic market? And the entire civilized world uses barrage duties. Ali can't we?

[voyaka uh]

"under Stalin built
thousands of factories without loans? )))
-----
I will tell you: a very expensive price. They gave the Americans for these factories of the First Five-Year Plan an ALL gold reserve of the USSR. They made a total seizure of gold items from the population,
sold part of the paintings and exhibits of the Hermitage and several other museums.
Such was the price of industrialization of the USSR.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: voyaka uh

Such was the price of industrialization of the USSR.

Now there is money for it. Where is industrialization?

[aybolyt678]

Quote: lucul

And how was it under Stalin that thousands of factories were built without credit? )))

because man lived for the sake of the country ... because he studied theory, tried to develop his own. The USSR was built on theoretical premises. Putin learned to play the piano, when and why is it a statesman? Where does the servant of the people get time? The responsible person was Comrade Stalin, he set an example and asked from others. Stand out was shameful.

[vadson]

Yes, our state has money for any plant, at least 10 at least 50 billion dead presidents will find. and show me a plant that will cost more than 3 billion dollars. units of such and they are built not for one year but for a dozen years and perhaps not one even

[aybolyt678]

Quote: vadson

Yes, our state has money for any plant,

public money for private factories? again?

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

His money paid the external debts of the state, state corporations and banks

Private banks?

[voyaka uh]

Including private. This is what states do often.
The default of large banks causes an internal collapse in finance and a downgrade of the country.

[AA17]

Dear, voyaka uh (Alexey) "His money was used to pay the external debts of the state, state corporations and banks." - Your phrase. It would be interesting to know about government debts, etc. How did they come about?
Not at that moment: When Russian money was given to enemies at 2% per annum, and for themselves they were taken at 5-7% per annum.
Or maybe at this moment:
Let's remember the Yamal LNG PROJECT, which is not particularly advertised.
"... Yamal LNG" (the first private LNG plant in Russia, being built on the basis of the South Tambeyskoye field.) Is far from the only gas mega-project receiving large tax breaks, the benefits of which are not obvious for the Russian economy .... Putting the plant into operation is a merit not only of shareholders, but also of Russian taxpayers who generously subsidized them.The South Tambeyskoye field, which serves as a resource base for Yamal LNG, will be exempted from MET for gas in the first 12 years of production, provided that it the total volume for this period will not exceed 250 billion cubic meters.On the same conditions, exemption from property tax and income tax benefits is provided, which will be not 18%, but 13,5%. Until the end of the construction of the plant, shareholders are exempt from payment VAT on the purchase of equipment that has no analogues in Russia, and upon its completion they will be able to use the zero duty on LNG export.The project received direct subsidies: in 2015, the government approved purchase of bonds of Yamal LNG for 150 billion rubles. from the National Welfare Fund. At the expense of the state, three-quarters (71 billion of 96 billion rubles) were funded for the construction of the cargo port of Sabetta. ... Strange, it turns out, raw dependence: it’s not the gas industry that supports the budget, but rather, taxpayers subsidize gas producers ... "
More details at RBC: https://www.rbc.ru/opinions/business/11/12/2017/5
a2e37599a79476b576c3f91
P.S. What benefits did Russian citizens receive from these mega-projects? Everything is very simple: privatization of profits, nationalization of losses.
"..." ... the main capital outflow from the country is generated not by banks, but by the corporate sector: regardless of the state of affairs in the economy, they annually withdraw about $ 50 billion .... And the main article of capital outflow from Russia is "dubious transactions ", Matovnikov notes. Their volume is almost independent of the state of the economy and annually amounts to about $ 30-40 billion, i.e. about 60% of the total capital outflow through the real sector. In total, since 2003, their volume has amounted to $ 276 billion. If we add here the article "errors and omissions", then we get $ 350 billion. Since 1995, the volume of transactions classified as doubtful has quadrupled. This is largely due to the improvement of the methodology for its assessment by the Central Bank. If we apply the modern methodology retrospectively for the past decade, then the volume of capital outflow will be at least $ 500 billion ...
.... The annual amount of outflow - about 1 trillion rubles - is stable regardless of changes in the investment climate, tax cuts or increases, the state of the economy and corporate profits. And in a strange way it coincides with the repeatedly announced amount of funds plundered under government contracts, Matovnikov draws attention ... "https://www.interfax.ru/business/280350

[Okolotochny]

I would not give RBC as a source of truth. RBC is the resource of M. Prokhorov, which is not like a power.

[lucul]

And where is the money for the economy? We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

As where ???
On credit, we’ll take it))) Investment is the same)))
This is such a banking logic people set to run the industry. )))

[Sniper]

for the modern economy. need modern technology. and we have a problem with that. However, this is being developed. It takes time.

[Vadim237]

This is what modern technologies Russia has problems with - list them by industry.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

This is what modern technologies Russia has problems with - list them by industry.

Well, don’t stupid again, Vadik! Whose cell do you have? car? I've been working in plumbing - all circulation pumps are imported. Stop valves are mainly imports. There is no mention of gas wall-mounted boilers of Russian manufacture; floor-standing boilers can be counted on the fingers. Banal mixers more than 90% import. And I'm only talking about plumbing.
For the production of furniture - in nature there is not a single Russian chipboard saw. Just like the edge. All accessories are imported.
And you about technology ....

[Vadim237]

All that you have just listed is produced under foreign brands in Russia and more than 60% is localized.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

All that you have just listed -

Almost everything I listed is net imports. The exceptions are some cars, because some manufactures are really transferred to us, and some wall-mounted gas boilers, in which only casings are made in Russia. By car localization - 60% localization is only on domestic brands, and even not on all. Lada X Ray 70% of imported spare parts.
What can we say about the Fords and Toyota.
So Vadik again you are trying to throw caps.

[yang174]

he is just a talker.

[Vadim237]

Money for the economy in the May decrees is 27 trillion rubles until 2024, 13 trillion from the budget, the remaining 14 are private investments.

[yang174]

yeah, we believe !!!

[Vadim237]

Officially, "The Head of State instructed the government to ensure the achievement of nine national development goals until 2024. This is a sustainable natural population growth; an increase in life expectancy to 78 years (by 2030 - up to 80 years); ensuring sustainable growth in real incomes of citizens, as well as an increase in the level of pension provision above the inflation rate; halving the level of poverty; improving housing conditions for at least 5 million families annually; accelerating technological development, increasing the number of organizations implementing innovations up to 50 percent; accelerating the introduction of digital technologies; Russia's entry among the five largest economies, ensuring economic growth rates higher than world ones while maintaining macroeconomic stability, including inflation at a level of no more than 4 percent; creating a high-performance export-oriented sector in the basic industries. "

[Vadim237]

"When developing a national program in the field of demographic development, it is necessary in 2024 to ensure an increase in healthy life expectancy up to 67 years; the total fertility rate - up to 1,7; up to 55 percent - the share of citizens who are systematically involved in physical education and sports.

And also - the introduction of a mechanism for financial support for families at birth; creating conditions for mothers to work, including achieving 100% accessibility (by 2021) of pre-school education for children under three years of age; development and implementation of a program to support and improve the quality of life of senior citizens; the formation of a system of motivation for a healthy lifestyle.

One of the main themes of the decree is demography. The government needs to envisage the introduction of a mechanism for financial support of families at the birth of children. "

[Vadim237]

"When developing a national health care project, by 2024 it is necessary to ensure: a decrease in mortality rates of the working-age population (up to 350 cases per 100 thousand), mortality from diseases of the circulatory system (up to 450 cases per 100 thousand), mortality from neoplasms, including malignant (up to 185 cases per 100 thousand), infant mortality (up to 4,5 cases per thousand); elimination of personnel shortages in organizations providing primary health care; coverage of all citizens with preventive medical examinations at least once a year; ensuring optimal accessibility for the population of primary health care organizations; reducing the waiting time in line, simplifying the registration procedure; increasing the volume of exports of medical services at least four times compared to 1 (up to 2017 billion dollars per year);


It is also necessary to complete the formation of a network of primary health care organizations using a geographic information system, taking into account the need for the construction of outpatient clinics, feldsher and feldsher-obstetric centers in settlements with a population of 100 to 2 thousand people, and also taking into account the use of mobile medical complexes in settlements with a population of less than 100 people; complete the formation of a network of national medical research centers; create mechanisms for the interaction of medical organizations on the basis of a single state information system; introduce innovative medical technologies; provide medical organizations with qualified personnel; to develop programs for the fight against cancer, cardiovascular diseases, and the development of children's health care; form a system for protecting the rights of patients and improve the mechanism for exporting medical services.

When developing a national project in the field of education, it is necessary to ensure the global competitiveness of Russian education by 2024, and Russia's entry into the top ten countries in terms of the quality of general education "

[Vadim237]

"When developing a national project in the field of education, it is necessary to ensure the global competitiveness of Russian education by 2024, and our country will become one of the top 10 in terms of the quality of general education.

And also - introduce new methods of teaching and upbringing in schools, create an effective system for identifying, supporting and developing abilities and talents in children and youth;

create conditions for the early development of children under three years of age;

create a modern and secure digital educational environment;

introduce a national system of professional development of teachers, covering at least 50 percent of teachers;

upgrade vocational education; to form a system of continuous updating by workers of their knowledge and the acquisition of new skills;

form a system of professional contests;

create conditions for mentoring, support of public initiatives and projects;

to at least double the number of foreigners studying in universities and research organizations, to implement a set of measures to employ the best of them in Russia. "

[Vadim237]

When developing a national project in the field of housing and the urban environment, by 2024 it is necessary to provide affordable housing for families with average incomes, including creating opportunities for a mortgage loan at a rate of less than 8 percent; increase the volume of housing construction to at least 120 million square meters per year; to increase the urban environment quality index by 30 percent, to halve the number of cities with an unfavorable environment; to increase the proportion of citizens participating in resolving issues of urban development up to 30 percent; to ensure a sustainable reduction in unsuitable housing stock.

The Cabinet will have to increase the urban environment quality index by 30 percent, increase the share of citizens participating in resolving issues of the development of their territories.
In addition, it is necessary to improve the mechanisms for financing housing construction, including through the development of the mortgage securities market and a phased transition from raising funds for shared construction to other forms; to modernize the construction industry and improve the quality of industrial housing construction; reduce the administrative burden on developers, improve the regulatory framework and the procedure for regulating activities in the field of housing construction; ensure the efficient use of land for mass housing construction, subject to the conservation and development of the green fund; create mechanisms for the development of a comfortable urban environment, the integrated development of human settlements, taking into account the urban environment quality index; create resettlement mechanisms from unsuitable housing stock.

When developing a national environmental project in 2024, it is necessary to ensure efficient waste management, including the elimination of all unauthorized landfills identified on January 1, 2018 in cities; dramatic reduction in air pollution in large industrial centers

[Vadim237]

When developing a national environmental project in 2024, it is necessary to ensure efficient waste management, including the elimination of all unauthorized landfills identified on January 1, 2018 in cities; dramatic reduction in air pollution in large industrial centers, including a reduction of at least 20 percent of total emissions in the most polluted cities; improving the quality of drinking water; ecological improvement of water bodies, including the Volga; conservation of biodiversity, including through the creation of at least 24 new specially protected natural areas. It is also necessary to formulate an integrated system for the management of municipal solid waste, including the disposal of landfills; create in all regions a system of public control over unauthorized landfills.

[Vadim237]

When developing a national project to create safe and high-quality roads in 2024, it is necessary to ensure: an increase in the share of regional roads that meet regulatory requirements, up to at least 50 percent; a 10 percent reduction in the share of roads operating in congestion mode compared to 2017; halving the number of places of concentration of road accidents in comparison with 2017; a 3,5-fold decrease in mortality due to road accidents compared with 2017 - to a level not exceeding four people per 100 thousand (by 2030 - the desire for a zero level). In the largest urban agglomerations, it is necessary to bring the share of roads that meet regulatory requirements to 85 percent; new mechanisms for the development and operation of the road network should also be applied; to bring the standard for transfer of tax revenues of regions from excise taxes on fuel and lubricants to 100 percent; introduce a publicly accessible information system for monitoring the funds of road funds (in 2019); create mechanisms for economic incentives for the preservation of roads of regional and local importance; introduce new technical requirements and standards for road construction; Introduce automated and robotic technologies for organizing traffic and monitoring compliance with the rules; strengthen the responsibility of drivers for breaking the rules, increase the requirements for the level of their training.

[Vadim237]

When implementing the national program in the field of increasing labor productivity and employment support, it is necessary to ensure in 2024: productivity growth in medium and large enterprises of the basic non-primary sectors is at least 5 percent per year; attraction of at least 10 regions annually to participate in the implementation of the national program; involvement in the program of at least 10 thousand medium and large enterprises of the basic non-resource sectors. It is also necessary to stimulate the introduction of advanced solutions to increase labor productivity and modernize fixed assets, including through tax preferences; reduction of restrictions that impede the growth of labor productivity, the replacement of obsolete and unproductive jobs; Formation of a system for supporting productivity increase

[Vadim237]

When developing the national project in the field of science, the government should proceed from the fact that in 2024 it is necessary to ensure Russia's presence among the five leading countries that carry out research and development in areas determined by the priorities of scientific and technological development; to ensure the attractiveness of work in Russia for leading scientists and young promising researchers; ensure a faster increase in domestic research and development costs compared to GDP growth.


In addition, the head of state instructed to create an advanced infrastructure for research and development; ensure updating of at least 50 percent of the instrument base of leading organizations; create world-class research centers; organize at least 15 world-class research and educational centers based on the integration of universities and scientific organizations and their cooperation with organizations operating in the real sector; to form a system of training and professional growth of scientific and scientific-pedagogical personnel.

The head of state also instructed to create an advanced infrastructure for research and development, to ensure updating of at least 50 percent of the instrument base of leading organizations.

[Vadim237]

When implementing the national program "Digital Economy of the Russian Federation", it is necessary in 2024: to increase internal costs for the development of the digital economy at least three times compared to 2017; to create an infrastructure for high-speed transmission, processing and storage of large amounts of data, accessible to all organizations and households; use mainly domestic software by government agencies, local governments and organizations. You also need to create a system of legal regulation of the digital economy; globally competitive infrastructure for transmission, processing and storage of data, mainly based on domestic developments; ensure the training of highly qualified personnel for the digital economy; to ensure information security based on domestic developments; to create end-to-end digital technologies mainly based on domestic developments; to introduce digital technologies and platform solutions in the areas of public administration and provision of public services; transform priority industries through the introduction of digital technologies and platform solutions; create a comprehensive system for financing projects for the development and (or) implementation of digital technologies and platform solutions; to introduce a national mechanism for implementing a coordinated policy of the EurAsEC member states in the implementation of plans for the development of the digital economy.

[Vadim237]

When developing a national program in the field of culture, special attention should be paid to the need: strengthening civil identity on the basis of spiritual, moral and cultural values ​​of the peoples of the country; creation (reconstruction) of cultural, educational and museum complexes; providing children's music, art, choreographic schools, colleges and art schools with the necessary instruments, equipment and materials; promotion of talented youth in the field of musical art; the creation (reconstruction) of clubs in rural settlements, the development of municipal libraries; creation of virtual concert halls in at least 500 cities; creation of conditions for showing national films in cinemas in settlements with a population of up to 500 thousand; training for cultural organizations; modernization of regional and municipal theaters for young spectators and puppet theaters; supporting volunteer movements.

[Vadim237]

When implementing a national project in the field of development of small and medium-sized enterprises and supporting individual entrepreneurial initiatives, it is necessary to ensure in 2024 an increase in the number of people employed in the field of small and medium-sized enterprises, including individual entrepreneurs, up to 25 million people. And also improve the business environment, including simplification of tax reporting; create a digital platform focused on supporting the activities of small and medium-sized businesses; improve the procurement system from small and medium-sized businesses; simplify access to concessional financing; create an acceleration system; to modernize the support system for such exporters, increasing their share in the total volume of non-oil exports to at least 10 percent; create a farmer support system; provide favorable conditions for the self-employed through a new tax regime.

[Vadim237]

When developing a national program for the development of international cooperation and exports, in 2024 global competitive non-primary sectors should be formed in the manufacturing industry, agriculture, and services, with a total export share of at least 20 percent of GDP; to achieve the volume of export of non-primary non-energy goods in the amount of $ 250 billion per year; to form an effective system of division of labor and production cooperation within the framework of the EurAsEC to increase trade by at least one and a half times and ensure the growth of accumulated mutual investments by one and a half times.

In addition, we need an orientation of industrial, agricultural and trade policies towards achieving the international competitiveness of Russian goods; reducing barriers to international trade; completion of the creation of a flexible line of financial instruments to support export (by 2021); elimination of logistic restrictions in the export of goods; creation of a unified system of export promotion institutions; completion of the formation of common markets within the EurAsEC.

Based on the spatial development strategy, the Cabinet of Ministers must approve by October a comprehensive plan for the modernization and expansion of the main infrastructure, providing for the development of the West-East and North-South transport corridors in 2024 for the transport of goods. Among the targets are the reconstruction of the infrastructure of regional airports and the expansion of the network of interregional regular passenger air routes, bypassing Moscow, up to 50 percent of the total number of domestic regular air routes.

When forming the draft budget, the government should provide, as a matter of priority, allocations for the implementation of national projects and allocate as a matter of priority additional budget revenues for these purposes. That's all that 27 trillion will be spent on - in 2025 it will be possible to take stock of the implementation of these decrees - priorities are set, everything is clearly stated.

[yang174]

was not too lazy to put this bullshit (matter)?

[Vadim237]

This bullshit is laid out for you - and these are approved, documented state programs and they allocate money for them and Russia will live on them until 2024 and then until 2030 - whether you like it or not, the goals are listed and understandable, the work is going on.

[yang174]

pfff, work is going on ... a joke of the day

[Vadim237]

At least not for sure.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

At least not for sure.

Our industry really doesn’t.

[yang174]

and not even hanging anything ... almost everything is neutered

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: yang174

almost all are neutered

No, you can raise it. Medicines decide everything! Zelenka for example - anointed the forehead with negligent officials, and the process will go.

[yang174]

there will be ointment from burns ... the index finger-bean's corn after all

[Ingvar 72]

Costs, where without them?

[Vadim237]

What is castrated there - part of the brain?

[Vadim237]

The six percent growth of our industry over the past year confirms this.

[yang174]

I hear a science fiction, you at least read about the release of Rosstat, and then carry your nonsense ... industrial production growth by 6% with falling demand ... and falling incomes. You’ll be foolish, freshen up

[Vadim237]

Without fantasies - from 4 to 6% last year, my production has a growth of 23% - so someone has significant growth. Someone’s income is falling, someone’s is increasing - a market economy.

[yang174]

what 4%? who has 4? even according to Rosstat's off-line data, incomes have fallen ... since the age of 14 have been falling, the average retail check has fallen, the state increases reserves and does not increase infrastructure costs. two consumers and both reduced costs. does the cha grow?
heal yourself go dreamer

[AA17]

Dear Vadim237. "The head of state instructed the government to ensure the achievement of nine national development goals until 2024 ..."
Two influential people who have been working with the President for a long time: A. Kudrin and G. Gref doubt the achievement of the goals of national projects.
Sberbank business breakfast at SPIEF 07.06.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX it is a gathering of influential skeptical people who do not believe in Russian national projects. As always, Herman Oskarovich was amazed, who at the opening of the breakfast gave a phrase that sets the tone for this event: "... But (pause) ... there is a certain skepticism that the implementation of national projects will lead to the results that are formulated as a goal .. . "
A. Kudrin: “Lack of reliable information on the values ​​of target indicators creates risks of making insufficiently substantiated or untimely decisions in the course of implementing national projects. An analysis of the expected results of federal projects approved as part of the national project passports also revealed a number of shortcomings. Some results did not fully characterize the solution of the corresponding tasks or were of a supportive nature (for example, the approval of regulatory legal acts or methodological documents, the provision of inter-budget transfers, and others). In cases where the expected results were represented by numerical characteristics, there was no information on the organization of statistical observation for them. The uncertainty of the results of federal projects also creates risks of making incorrect or untimely decisions on the progress of national projects. ”
The Accounting Chamber pays special attention to the implementation of Presidential Decree No. 204 “On National Goals and Strategic Tasks of the Development of the Russian Federation for the Period until 2024”. An analysis of national projects has already revealed at the preliminary stage the risks of not achieving the strategic goals of the Russian Federation. A serious drawback of the system of indicators for national projects is the lack of organized statistical monitoring of them.
As a result, by the time the national project passports were approved, more than 75% of the indicators did not have approved calculation methods and were not included in the federal plan of statistical work. In some cases, the values ​​of the target indicators were preliminary and had to be updated after the approval of the methodologies, including the baseline values ​​of the indicators. .. "
Read more at https://aurora.network/articles/6-jekonomika/67031-schetnaja-palata-zajavila-o-nevypolnenii-mayskikh-ukazov palata-zajavila-o-nevypolnenii-mayskikh-ukazov

[Vadim237]

I have the same attitude towards Gref's statements, neither his "pond" of development of national projects, his place in the banking sector, so let him do it. With Kudrin, everything is clear - as the head of the Accounts Chamber, a person is skeptical in advance, and he himself does not like to spend money - he is primarily a contributor, which he proved when he was the Minister of Economy of the Russian Federation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

the remaining 14 are private investments.

Investment structure poorly disclosed?

[Vadim237]

My investments in production using additive technologies until the year 2023 are about 300 million rubles.

[siberalt]

A little offshore clean? It stole more than one budget of Russia. For embezzlers, there is no need to impose the death penalty again. It is enough to enter the confiscation of property and they themselves will begin to shoot. Salvage is worse for them than death. Something like this.

[Vadim237]

Offshore companies are also needed to circumvent the sanctions in doing business - so there is no need to empty them.

[sleeve]

And where to put it then?

[Vadim237]

Infrastructure, textile industry, oil and gas, heavy engineering, precision engineering, nuclear industry, medical instrumentation, special instrumentation, electric power - the same gas turbines, engine building and much more.

[sleeve]

This is how the most powerful economic powers and empires are created ... Just listed where to invest and that's it! This is the way! And if money is not shoved there, the government is thieves. They stuffed themselves. And in the USSR they crammed, and now at the beginning of the 2000s (as soon as the money appeared, when the evil Putin forced everyone to pay taxes). There are no niches in the Russian economy for a free investment policy. Only minerals, but everything is already there. Only with geology we are weak. But here it is not a matter of "greed" of state corporations for the most part. And the situation is changing. And the infrastructure? Well, forgive it all the same burying funds without return. We all unanimously proclaimed the slogan of a non-socialist economy, so now we will have to dig in less and less often. And in general it is desirable at the expense of those who need it, so even less often and even less. in general, the model of the economy is so-so. So there is nowhere to invest hyper-funds. Maybe this is why investments do not grow in principle? According to the list, there is of course where, according to the situation, no.

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Svarog

And where is the money for the economy? We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

This money was withdrawn from bonds and simply placed on accounts with American banks ... In fact, nothing has changed ...

[AlexG83]

Quote: Svarog

And where is the money for the economy? We are sitting on money and at the same time in poverty, weird politics ..

But what about national projects (about which they crash on TV almost every day), or is it not that?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: AlexG83

But what about national projects (about which they crash on TV almost every day), or is it not that?

They crack, they crack, but there is no sense. Where are they, real national projects?

[Saul_Rhen]

Are you begging again? Not tired? Maybe you should look for a normal job if there is not enough money for the fight in the comments?

[Dmitriy84]

These parasites simply can no longer digest them. And religion does not allow them to return the looted people in the form of pensions, salaries, or an infusion into the economy

[rocket757]

In 2018, the head of the Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina explained that Russia is withdrawing funds from US debt due to a "redistribution of international reserves."

I hope in favor of my native state, and not someone else of their foreign "partners" ....
And do not reassure us that those little things work for the good, good .... we believe, believe, but want to see a more real embodiment of the declared!

[bessmertniy]

You have to invest your money in your economy, and not in the American one. It was high time to return them to their homeland.

[rocket757]

Quote: bessmertniy

You have to invest your money in your economy, and not in the American one. It was high time to return them to their homeland.

Just returning to your homeland is not enough. Proper use for the good of the country and people is much more complicated.
It is strange to hear from the head of government "no money .....". the question is natural - and the money is WHERE? and you generally work for whom, because you are only a hired worker who is paid to ensure that everything is normal for the PAYERS ...
even if you allocate money, is it really how they are used ??? who is responsible for this ???
The constant assurance that money is being allocated to the regions for this, we hear it, sometimes we even see the result! but it’s far from always!
So who is our prudent, responsible user, seller of funds, i.e. whoever is engaged in a real business with high efficiency, to encourage, to show it to everyone, you need to even very much !!! and the one who poorly performs the assigned task or just steals, also needs to be shown to everyone, IN THE CELL!
Everything is simple when everything is visible and understandable!

[Vadim237]

The depreciation of all fixed assets in Russia is 48% - and this is about 76 trillion rubles - this is where all the money will go if the state has such amounts. So the May Decrees will continue after 2030 - as you understand, such a huge amount of work cannot be done in 10 years.

[rocket757]

Quote: Vadim237

as you know, in 10 years such a gigantic amount of work cannot be done.

UNDERSTAND, we were well taught in the Land of Soviets, 2 times 2 we don’t have exactly five!
Therefore, we ask from employees / managers what MUST, and not just what we just want ....
With Wishlist, we can hold off, but what SHOULD be kind EXECUTE!

[777-3-59-97]

Dedolarization is the same new fetish for the Russian government as it used to be import substitution.
There is little sense, but it can be shown on TV.

[Shuttle]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

Dedolarization is the same new fetish for the Russian government as it used to be import substitution.
There is little sense, but it can be shown on TV.

You are in vain. I just felt at least two fruits from import substitution. They, for example, influence me well. Both yellowish pretty little Krasnodar apples. Tasty and fresh, not waxed, unlike Polish.

[yang174]

in four years, only two? How many percentages?

[Shuttle]

Quote: yang174

in four years, only two? How many percentages?

If before that there was zero, and the taperich is a pair, then the efficiency -> ∞

[yang174]

at such a pace ..... our great-great-grandchildren will have time to die, they will do only 20 percent

and this ... minus one, remember the joke about bedbugs and cognac

[Shuttle]

Quote: yang174

at such a pace ..... our great-great-grandchildren will have time to die, they will do only 20 percent

and this ... minus one, remember the joke about bedbugs and cognac

Do not escalate. In my opinion, so far everything is much better than in 1998

[yang174]

at 98m, the remnants were still working. in particular, in Chelyabinsk there were still such enterprises, including those working for the defense industry: Watch factory, Polet factory, weaving factory, including parachutes, Stankomash factory (former POZiO), Selmash (Signal-ammunition) .... at the current I remembered Th. I have probably forgotten about a dozen with a double purpose, and how much current profile ....
so I’m not escalating, but simply voicing the fact - if this is called work, then I’m just a super robot how I work, although I’m a lazy person

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Dedollarization is very good. If everyone begins to do so, then, in principle, we will not fight with
by whom.

[dvina71]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

Dedolarization

Dedollarization and import substitution is not a fetish, but a process .. Only rabbits have a quick process .. well, people have such a deviation .. In the economy and industry, processes have been going on for years .. and not the process, but the result is important.

[lucul]

Dedolarization is the same new fetish for the Russian government as it used to be import substitution.
There is little sense, but it can be shown on TV.

You don’t even realize how good it is)))
By the way, you have the wrong definition of a fetish.
A fetish is an iphone and other attributes of Zionist propaganda)))

[siberalt]

If the fetish is good, then fetishism is a sexual perversion.

[Vadim237]

Import substitution is and will continue to continue - significant results are already available.

[signifera]

Changed dollars to gold. This is a plus. And how to develop the economy, industry, science, agriculture and infrastructure? To smear asphalt with gold for greater durability chtoli))))) and as it wants to sell, its price will drop.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Signifer

And how to develop the economy, industry, science, agriculture and infrastructure?

only through crisis .... by the Stalin method

[lucul]

And how to develop the economy, industry, science, agriculture and infrastructure?

According to the laws adopted in the 90s by liberals, Russia cannot print rubles from the bulldozer (fought inflation of the type-yeah), and can print rubles only for that amount, equivalent to the dollar, as far as it sold raw materials - oil / gas and other resources , and not a ruble more (the so-called colonial regime). In the Russian economy there is a wild shortage of money (only 30% of the required volume) - and money is given out only at wild interest rates. This is the main brake on the development of the Russian economy.

[yang174]

one of ... bezayaytsye it seems to me -main

[Cat man null]

Quote: lucul

Russia ... or it can print rubles only for that amount, equivalent to the dollar, as far as it sold raw materials ... (the so-called colonial regime)

What kind of nonsense? Justify try ... my friend

Quote: lucul

In the Russian economy, a wild shortage of money

This is a lie from Koto-Sonov and other Pronks.

Without reference to the above - you can justify what was said, or how?

Homegrown polytegs and "economists from the plow"

[Sergey Averchenkov]

But this is glorious. Damn, I understand that it doesn’t work out fast, but I would like it to be zero and faster.

[Igoresha]

Stirlitz began to suspect a couple ...

[g1v2]

I remember the intellectuals shouted for several years that all our problems are from keeping money in the treasury. Well, almost everyone brought it out. And why - did someone notice that it somehow affected the economy or life? Has it bloomed all at once? It always amazes me how ordinary people constantly throw some nonsense like a panacea and the crowds begin to believe him. Investments in treasury practically do not differ from investments in dollars or euros. But millions of ordinary people believe that these investments are what prevents them from living.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: g1v2

Well, almost everyone brought it out. And why - did someone notice that it somehow affected the economy or life? Has it bloomed all at once?

Where they brought and where they invested - that’s the question that the THINKING person should ask.

[Egg]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

In order not to fight in the windshields, it is enough to comply with traffic rules, and with this we are tight. You look at individual vampires: either there is no brain, or immortal.

In order to strictly comply with traffic rules, first you need to bring them into a digestible and understandable state, bring traffic signs into compliance with the road conditions, and criminalize the gayts for installing temporary traffic signs in accordance with their interests.
If I go on vacation in strict accordance with the SDA, then I will go from Yamal to Belgorod for a month, and not for 3,5 days as it is now. Signs of 40 km / h on a 4-lane, flat as a table and desert road is inexplicable by any rules or common sense ... and also temporary signs of 20 km / h on long-repaired sections of roads behind which cunning gayts with cameras are hiding .... yes there are more than enough such moments.

[AU Ivanov.]

You see, our neighbors - the Finns, on secondary roads have a speed limit of 80. The fines for exceeding horses. So: everyone goes 80, a train and do not rock the oncoming lane. Riding is a pleasure - no strain. Therefore, mortality on the roads they have three times less. Temporary signs are really evil, only here I meet less and less traffic cops on the highway.

[Egg]

I am happy for the Finns, but I think there the police do not have such a violent imagination to get fines and turn normal (in most) people into violators
Again, the distance .... compared Finland and the Russian Federation :)

[Vadim237]

It's just that our drivers drove all the laws on the drum.

[Ingvar 72]

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It's just that our drivers drove all the drum laws

Come on? I remember when a "violet" penalty was introduced for the belt - everyone buckled up at once! No need to make Wadik idiots from fellow tribesmen.

[Vadim237]

And what idiots to make of them - they themselves can do this very well, how many people on our roads die and become disabled every year - 35000 and more than 100000, respectively.

[Irokez]

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