US will offer Turkey its products instead of Russian Su-35 and Su-57

The United States will urge Turkey to abandon the purchase of Russian weapons and give preference to the US. This statement was made by US Under Secretary of Defense John Rood, commenting on reports of Ankara’s interest in the Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters.

Answering journalists' question, how could Turkey’s possible purchase of Russian Su-35 and Su-57 aircraft affect further cooperation with the United States, the deputy defense minister said that Washington would urge Ankara to buy only American products instead of Russian, but did not explain what the United States was ready to offer Turkey in this regard.

This is the direction in which we will urge Turkey to move, in favor of weapons produced by the United States, which takes into account compatibility. But, of course, Turkey is an independent country that can make its own decisions. But we are ready to partner with them about this

- he said.

Earlier it was reported that in connection with the purchase by Turkey of Russian S-400 air defense systems, the United States excluded it from the program for creating the fifth-generation American fighter F-35. After that, there were reports that the Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan showed interest in the Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters and the possibility of their further purchase. At the same time, Erdogan emphasized that the American F-35 remains a priority for Turkey.

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[Thrall]

Business, business and a bit of geopolitics - the modern military doctrine of the United States

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Thrall

Business, business and a bit of geopolitics - the modern military doctrine of the United States

I disagree. Geopolitics for the USA IS business. It is simply that America cannot and does not want to do geopolitics otherwise than "on bayonets". Plus, even if the next "bayonet" does not manage to snatch the vassals at exorbitant prices, then one fig will take its own Pentagon, demanding from Congress through lobbyists another inflation of the military budget (and printing another trillion trillion greenish cut paper for the Fed is a trivial matter). So the gun tycoons (read America's most influential circles) are in the win anyway.

[iConst]

Quote: Kuroneko

to print another puffy trillion greenish cut paper for the Fed is a trivial matter

Well, it's not that simple. Someone else needs to sniff this "paper". And, to be absolutely precise, the paper dollar or its equivalent in the computer is not the same petrodollar zero as the Treasury.

The debt economy (the so-called "Reaganomics") has a limit. The limit has been pushed back several times thanks to a series of miraculous events. But now it looks like everything.

The Fed is forced to raise interest rates for the development of the economy, but along with it the burden of debt servicing also increases.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: iConst

Well, it's not that simple. Someone else needs to sniff this "paper". And, to be absolutely precise, the paper dollar or its equivalent in the computer is not the same petrodollar zero as the Treasury.

The United States has been living in debt with the whole world for decades. And for the time being, it suits all large holders of cut paper. Just because until the internal unrest in the country begins, and until the US Army remains enormously inflated, creditors will not demand their backward. They also have enough interest that the United States and the Treasury are still able to pay. But the system is vicious from the beginning, and EVERYTHING understands this.
Therefore, America needs a hard rezet. Those. - war. Ideally, it’s global, and so that it DOESN’t actually touch it AGAIN. The only question is how soon it will begin. And all the plans of the Pentagon are aimed at creating just such an ideal scenario.

[Zefr]

another puffy trillion greenish cut paper

And what's the point of producing something like that?
This is not a consumer product. It is not used and is not applied. The rocket just lies in the warehouse until the expiration date. This is just the value taken out of circulation. Isn’t it easier to just give out this money? At a minimum, you do not need to spend resources on the production of what is of no value to the end user.

Or maybe...
I think this is partially realized in the fact that weapons are bought at many times overpriced.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Zefr

And what's the point of producing something like that?

You urgently need to read (and thoughtfully) Marx's Talmud, Capital. Seriously, no jokes. All the answers are there, and were given more than a century ago.

[Zefr]

Have you read it yourself?
And here I read. True, the third volume has not fully mastered. Not until he became

[Kuroneko]

If I hadn’t read, I would not have mentioned it.
And by the way, I’m pretty annoyed by the well-known remembered passage about 300% of the capital’s profit and what he’s ready to do for this, which many journalists of VO somehow attribute to Marx for some reason.
Zadolbali!
Marx is NOT its author, he only QUOTED the words of the English trade union leader Thomas Joseph Dunning.
People, are you reading this? So REMEMBER THIS. YOU ARE WELCOME.

[genius-f]

To give money to the factory that makes the plane and not to do the plane itself so as not to waste resources?
So two subjects met outside the legal field, one has money and the other has an automaton. Attention to the question: who will have the money and the machine?

[siberalt]

It is not high time to call these "products" honestly - guns instead of butter.

[210ox]

Guellen’s defenders should be offered ..

[Thrall]

Quote: 210ox

Guellen’s defenders should be offered ..

Watching how many suitcases

[210ox]

They will put them into the suitcases themselves ..

[Zaurbek]

What will they offer? F15 in the latest version - will not be sold. F-35 on the block, F-16? But this is not Su35C!

[voyaka uh]

The F-15 will be sold quietly. What's special there? The glider is already "squeezed" to the maximum. Avionics is modern, but compared to the F-35, it is primitive.

[Zaurbek]

Will they sell the latest version? And a heavy fighter? I don’t think so.

[voyaka uh]

The version with 22 long-range explosive missiles is more a curiosity than a novelty. Application tactics have yet to be verified.
This is a "second line" flying firing platform, which must be protected like a bomber.

[Herman 4223]

Most likely f15, and will be offered in the latest version. But the Turks, as I understand it, want the fifth generation. And here su-57 has no competitors.

[Zefr]

What will they offer?

Superhornet eat

[Nycomed]

The Turks will still acquire F-35, Erdogan will play enough as a regional leader, and he will be blown away slowly, and for one more he will get some preferences from the States.

[To be or not to be]

SAM "Patriot" no longer offer?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Nycomed

The Turks will still acquire F-35, Erdogan will play enough as a regional leader, and he will be blown away slowly, and for one more he will get some preferences from the States.

So you say that Erdogash’s memory is like a fish, 3 seconds? Or did he forget how his mattresses wanted to be physically eliminated?

[Nycomed]

So he (Erdogan) is not eternal even without the participation of the States. There (in Turetchina) too, sometimes elections happen. Erdogan has just extremely developed, lately, "phantom pains" over the Ottoman Empire. So he is engaged in blackmail. And he is not the first, by the way. There is also at least one country member of NATO and the EU, which succeeded in blackmail. Perhaps there will be others.

[bessmertniy]

It is inconvenient to sit on two chairs, and sucking milk from two mothers is a Turk and makes you stronger.

[Nycomed]

The fact of the matter is that Erdogan does not so much "suck" as he makes it clear to jealous "mothers" in turn that he always has the opportunity to "suck" elsewhere. Nothing but banal blackmail.

[Karaul14]

At the same time, Erdogan emphasized that the American F-35 remains a priority for Turkey.

Here is an independent opinion for you. F-35 everyone wants, but not everyone gives, Su-57 everyone offers, but not everyone wants.

[Ros 56]

That will be fun when in real life 57-th pecks 35-th.

[777-3-59-97]

That will be fun when in real life 57-th pecks 35-th.

When 57 will be produced in an amount slightly larger than symbolic, then maybe. In the meantime ...

[Herman 4223]

In order for the 57 to peck at the 35, it is necessary that at least more or less equal air forces collide. The quality of air forces is not only airplanes.

[Keyser soze]

That will be fun when in real life 57-th pecks 35-th.

In today's world, aircraft is only part of an air combat platform. This is network-centricity and awareness and target designation, etc. It is no longer possible to simply compare the characteristics of one and the other aircraft.

[777-3-59-97]

F-35 everyone wants, but not everyone gives, Su-57 everyone offers, but not everyone wants.

One of the best comments.

[Herman 4223]

The Turks are now using f16, the ammunition of this aircraft is also suitable for f35. And it is accumulated during operation. Turkey also has elements of production f35. That's why they want him first of all. When buying a Su-57, you will have to acquire an arsenal of weapons for it, but this is not a small amount of money.

[Amateur]

Now Erdogan will not buy, but wait and consider who will give the most for free, and maybe require a pay.

Turki Rus Bhai Bhai

[Mountain shooter]

Erdogan is blackmailing (trolling?) Striped-eared, they have already "taken the lead for bacon", our military-industrial complex is also on the alert ... What an interesting life for people!

[777-3-59-97]

At the same time, Erdogan emphasized that the American F-35 remains a priority for Turkey.

Erdogan bluntly says that F35 is better for him than 57. So who is he trolling?

[kpd]

Turkey has already invested a couple of billion dollars in F-35, in case of refusal of purchases, another four billion will be ripped off. Giving away six billion for nothing ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Oh, how quickly they ran in, when they realized that they could really lose this market, and just a month ago, the minke whales said different, because of the supply of C-400. Business is above all.

[Archivist Vasya]

Well done Erdogan, knocks down the price from both.

[rocket757]

The United States will urge Turkey to abandon the purchase of Russian weapons and give preference to the US.

Well, ka started together!
Pleasure the ear of the "Sultan" with what he likes!

[Guards turn]

After a trick on the Russian side, Erdogan ran to ask for help from the United States, they answered: “These are your problems. And then they tried to overthrow Erdogan.” Here is the answer now: USA - United Arab Emirates: With Yemen, you somehow somehow ...

[Shuttle]

The Americans will not tolerate that the Turks had both C-400 and F-35 at the same time. They already want the Turks to breathe somewhere with the existing C-400. This is understandable, because the Turks, if they simultaneously own both, can declare quite authoritatively about the degree of invisibility of the F-35, and indeed the American technology stealth. Moreover, regardless of what it actually is. Just from one of their words, stealth will either grow authority to heaven, or will be beneath the plinth. After all, no one, neither Russians, nor Americans, nor Germans, nor Greeks, nor French, in general, no one could conduct a t.s. full-scale tests properly. Well, as if with the pathos of independent research.
Those. while Turkey has at least one C-400, then there can be no question of a single F-35.

[Azimuth]

Erdogan sat in two chairs. Now there is a bargain on which one to land. Well, it’s clear that no one will knock his chair out from under him. It will remain so until the new president in Turkey becomes.

[Lord of the Sith]

Ahh, that scared the Yankees))
Now they will turn lanterns in front of the Turkish Sultan, if only they would not buy Russian weapons
And we only benefit))

[Rwmos]

The trick is that at the moment it is probably wiser to buy the upgraded F-15 and F-16 from the USA - they are brought to mind. F-35, in fact, is an unworkable stub of F-22, and F-22 is not tearing into any budget by any side.
Those. Erdogan will also remain in profit - he will strengthen his defenses and throw off fuss with a failed program, and he will also save money

[AnderS]

But we are ready to partner with them about this

Which of you partners can be seen in your willingness to supply your vaunted F35 ...

[Zaurbek]

And in the meantime:
Russia has signed a contract with Egypt for the supply of several dozen heavy multi-functional Su-35 fighters. Together with the MiG-29M / M2 medium fighters delivered to Egypt, they should significantly increase the combat potential of the Egyptian Air Force fleet in the coming years, which are still armed with the outdated Soviet MiG-21 and Chinese J-7. The contract itself, estimated at $ 2 billion

[mammadov teymur]

as it communicated with one Turk, I say they say the Americans threw you on airplanes that in response says a little wait, they will soon ask that they would buy like a bucket