The Historian's Thoughts on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

Against the backdrop of the 80 anniversary of the start of World War II and the 74 anniversary of its end, specialists continue to discuss such a question as “the main reason for the beginning of the most bloody war in stories". Some neighbors of Russia have their own opinions on this subject.

Poland asserts that the beginning of the great war was laid at the conclusion of an agreement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. This treaty is better known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Western historians and those who consider themselves experts in the field of history argue that if this pact of the USSR had not been signed, then there would have been no attack on Poland on 1 on September 1939.

Matters related to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were raised on a Tactical Media broadcast when Alexei Isaev, Ph.D. in History, was invited to the studio. The plot also discusses the so-called secret protocol, which was part of the pact.

Alexey Isaev:

In the case of Munich (the Munich Agreement of the 1938 of the year) everything was open, but only then the Czechoslovak delegation was not invited to the negotiations themselves. In comparison, the negotiations in Munich were in some places a circus. It is said that Daladier accepted fairly, they were also seated in different directions, and they could not talk to each other. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, in comparison, looks more sane.

The full version of the historian’s argument about the Soviet-German pact and its premises is presented in the video:

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[Dart2027]

What is there to think?

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What is there to think?

- all night they thumped, smoked, lambered, did something unknown, devils ate what. The next morning we washed down all this beauty with a cosamogon and bitten with toffee. The forensic scientist wrote down: poisoning with iris sweets ..

[Mordvin 3]

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The forensic scientist wrote down: poisoning with iris sweets ..

And Rudy Hess killed himself against the wall ... But Stalin was never able to send anyone with a parachute to Germany, everyone refused ... Bastards ...

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The forensic scientist wrote down: poisoning with iris sweets ..

And Rudy Hess killed himself against the wall ... But Stalin was never able to send anyone with a parachute to Germany, everyone refused ... Bastards ...

Actually, I hinted at the bankruptcy of the idea that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the cause of the German attack on Poland. .

[Mordvin 3]

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Actually, I hinted at the bankruptcy of the idea that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the cause of the German attack on Poland. .

If serious. That pact did not work. Labuda is all that.

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Actually, I hinted at the bankruptcy of the idea that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the cause of the German attack on Poland. .

If serious. That pact did not work. Labuda is all that.

Perhaps he didn’t act as the participants intended. But crap is too much a word.

[Mordvin 3]

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But crap is too much a word.

Yes, I'm drunk on a board that’s on my mind ... In general, do not judge strictly, I persuade the second bubble ...

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But crap is too much a word.

Yes, I'm drunk on a board that’s on my mind ... In general, do not judge strictly, I persuade the second bubble ...

[Mordvin 3]

No ... no ... I still ... can ...

[nathanael]

But the crap was not a trade agreement signed by Germany and the USSR .. When I read the text of this agreement .. I went nuts ... Then the liberal pigtails screeched that before the war Stalin helped Hitler with the supply of bread oil and other things. not enough whether they are specially silent

[Leonid Anatolevich]

Not the reason. The reason was Hitler's desire to fight against the West - everything revolved around this. The day before the signing of the Pact, Hitler spoke to the leadership of the Wehrmacht with the following topics: “It became clear to me that sooner or later a clash with Poland should take place. I made a decision back in the spring, but thought that first in the coming years I would have to oppose the West, and only then only - against the East. But the sequence of actions cannot be determined in advance. It is impossible to close our eyes to a threatening situation. "

[Greg Miller]

Respect, of course, to Alexei Valerievich Isaev. But! The most holistic detailed analysis of the events leading to the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was made by Yegor Yakovlev

Poland is one of the pawns on the chessboard of 1939, which imagines itself not even a queen, but a Player !!! Elegant discussion of the topic from Yegor Yakovlev! Look - you will not regret it!

[zenion]

Here again, "Reflections at the entrance to the toilet."

[Basil50]

Well what are you. for Poles, however, as well as other inhabitants of Europe, neither reason nor even the instinct of self-preservation was never the main thing in behavior. There, hope for profit is the basis of being.
The Poles and Germans OFFICIALLY and quite openly prepared to attack the SOVIET UNION together. Then the truth the Germans came to their senses and put the Poles from the pose of the Allies in the pose of lackeys.
Surprisingly, the Poles are still claiming their own defeat not to the Polish rulers of that time, who openly betrayed and fled, nor to the allies who justly betrayed them, nor even to the Germans, who thereby defeated and enslaved them. No! All claims are only to the SOVIET UNION and to RUSSIAN people.
Amazing The Poles fought against SOVIET RUSSIA; they carried out the state genocide of RUSSIAN people on the occupied lands. After the official start of WWII * the Polish government in exile * managed, along with Germany, Finland and other German satellites, to declare war on the SOVIET UNION. So * London * Poles were noted in the Goebels provocation, and then fought against the RED Army. And at the same time * and then for what ...? *

[svp67]

Poland asserts that the beginning of the great war was laid at the conclusion of an agreement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

Or maybe it doesn't hurt to remember what kind of military industry Germany received on the territory of Czechoslovakia and how it helped to dramatically increase its military potential, without this, Hitler would hardly have dared to do something, no matter what "pacts" he concluded with Stalin

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It doesn't hurt to remember what kind of military industry Germany received on the territory of Czechoslovakia and how it helped to dramatically increase its military potential, without this, Hitler would hardly have dared to do something, no matter what "pacts" he concluded with Stalin

... and he wouldn't even have attacked France without seeing that France was giving him carte blanche with Czechoslovakia and Poland. Then France, together with the GB, confirmed impunity to Hitler by participating in the clowning of the "Sitting War". Hitler managed to catch his breath, take into account all the mistakes of the Polish campaign and ... Pounce on France and expel the Britons from the continent. And then take advantage of the industrial potential of France.

[Gardamir]

does not bother to remember

[demo]

We both know, and there, beyond the hillock, we are not even aware.
They are thinking how to draw their eyes to the fifth point.

[iouris]

How long to? Who called this tactical interim agreement a "pact"? Given the lack of interest of Great Britain and France in cooperation with the USSR, given that the financial circles of the United States incited a world war (let them kill each other as long as possible, and we will help the weak), Stalin did everything so that he was not accused of attacking Germany, i.e. e. not made an aggressor. "Western democracies" began to actively help the USSR only after the start of the battle for Moscow. Until December 1941, the United States remained neutral, i.e. helped Hitler. At this time, the United States is over 40% of world production.

[Greg Miller]

A Covenant is simply a legal term for an ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT. There is nothing "criminal" in this designation.

[apro]

Correctly said Comrade IVStalin. If the enemies scolded us, then we did everything right. It is necessary to annoy the Anglo-Saxons so that they cannot calm down for 80 years.

[Greg Miller]

If Ribbentrop didn’t conclude this pact with Molotov in Moscow on August 23, then German Goering would fly to London on August 23-24 to conclude a similar pact with Lord Halifax ... And guess from 3 times who this pact would be directed against? This is exactly what the British can forgive us for and cannot !!!

[Amateur]

Non-aggression treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union (German: Deutsch-sowjetischer Nichtangriffspakt;) - an intergovernmental agreement signed on August 23, 1939 by the heads of the foreign affairs agencies of Germany and the Soviet Union, the last of a series of non-aggression treaties signed in Europe before World War II . It was preceded by a number of other German agreements [

Why the British, Poles and other French call the "Non-Aggression Pact" "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" is understandable (they cover their own)
But why the Russians as the Foreign Ministry and the press call it that is not clear.
Non-commissioned officer widow syndrome?

[Evil echo]

This is all from ignorance and desire to please.

[Pavel57]

Behind different views is political, and behind it economic interest.

[stalkerwalker]

The initial date of the German attack on Poland was August 26, 1939. three days after the signing of the "Non-Aggression Pact", there was nothing (from the word "nothing") in the issue of the outbreak of war in Europe. And even September 1 is only one week away from 23.08.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Given the fact that by the end of August 1939, the French army was practically put on alert and deployed on the border with Germany, neither France nor Great Britain doubted the timing of the start of Germany's hostilities against Poland. And the "great" Poland was brought to Germany in the form of a "bonus" in moving to the East: "Fuehrer, you can have no doubt of our loyalty. We, they say, will not fight with you while you move to the East and further, according to your words in your the book "Mein Kampf" Glory to Ukraine!

[Sonixnk]

He asked his father if he knew about the pact when he studied in the USSR? 54 years of birth. He answered that it was only after the collapse of the USSR that surfaced .... so why hide anything from the population’s own property?

[Dart2027]

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He asked his father if he knew about the pact when he studied in the USSR? 54 years of birth. He replied that only after the collapse of the USSR surfaced

We read the Soviet history textbook for the tenth grade
https://sheba.spb.ru/shkola/istoria-10-1952.htm
Maybe your father studied "well"?

[Umalta]

I confirm that I, 59g / born in school, set out the full picture of this event, as well as the fact that the Poles refused to allow our troops to help Czechoslovakia and categorically did not want to conclude a collective security agreement with us, as well as small Britain.

[KERMET]

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so why hide from the self-propelled population once nothing is wrong?

if no one in the USSR has ever concealed the Nonaggression Treaty between Germany and the Soviet Union

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He replied that only after the collapse of the USSR surfaced

And here he is one hundred percent right - you know what usually pops up and does not sink? That's it.
The so-called secret protocols surfaced from the so-called special folder that Yakovlev apparently took out of his .... well, guess where.

[tihonmarine]

The Molotov-Ribentrop Pact is the most effective thing that Stalin did for his country.

[demo]

Poland asserts that the beginning of the great war was laid at the conclusion of an agreement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. This treaty is better known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Western historians and those who consider themselves experts in the field of history argue that if this pact of the USSR had not been signed, then there would have been no attack on Poland on 1 on September 1939.
If it were not for the whole attack on the USSR, then this pact can be regarded in this way.
But the attack took place.
It follows from this that the conquests in the West and East were included in the plan for the expansion of German living space.
Any agreement is nothing more than paper.
It can be used for its intended purpose.
What Hitler proved.

[AKS-U]

Remember the famous words of Alain Dulles in the film "17 Moments of Spring" - "When the Agreement is signed, you can talk about anything. But nothing can be changed."
You can talk about anything .... All the more so to our territorial neighbors raped by Adolf A. Shikilgruber. Nothing can be changed.

[zenion]

There are people with some defects whom doctors advise to strictly avoid thinking, this is harmful to them.